The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Rodgers to Jets Reaction, Draft Headlines, Mailbag

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

John reacts to Aaron Rodgers officially being traded to the Jets, the best and worst case scenarios for Rodgers in New York, and expectations for the Packers transitioning to Jordan Love. He also looks at common traits of draft sleepers, Derrick Henry to Philly internet trade rumors, if Kentucky QB Will Levis will be the second QB drafted, and if Lamar Jackson could get traded before the end of the Draft. He also answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Get concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the Gametime app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What are you going to do? Like, we'd all played that game too many times. We've been playing it for months now. Now we have clarity. And let's start with just the most basic part of the compensation. It was never going to be cheap. I don't care if he retires next year or plays three more seasons. To acquire Aaron Rogers, it was going to cost some draft capital.

That's just a reality. You want to join a nice country club. You want to drive a nice car. You want to live in a nice neighborhood. It ain't cheap. Acquiring quarterbacks, Hall of Fame quarterbacks, who just are a year removed from multiple MVP's,

especially when you are desperate for a quarterbacks, for a quarterback because you have never really had one. I'm 38 years old. Don't remember the Jets really going, God, sweet quarterback the Jets have doesn't happen. So you factor in desperation. You factor in he's Aaron Freaking Rogers. I get he's 39 years old.

I get he threatens to retire all the time. But you were never getting him for like a second. And that was not happening. And now we know they swap first round picks, which is just two spots, 13 and 15. the Jets get their, or excuse, yeah, the Packers get their second round pick, which is pick 42, and they get their second round pick next year. And if Roger stays healthy, that pick goes to a one.

And let's face it, would it be worth pick 42 and pick 28 if you get to the second round of the playoffs and win 13 games and host a playoff game and play the Chiefs in another? Of course it would. You haven't made the playoffs in literally forever. now that the Kings snap that streak, you have the longest streak going, not in football, in pro sports in this country.

So while you are in a major market, you've kind of faced irrelevancy. Now, is this a short-term buy? Of course it is. Is Aaron Rogers probably going to retire at the end of the season? I would doubt it, but who knows? We'll get into all the variables

and all the potential outcomes here. But I've just seen a lot of reaction. I think it's fair that, like God, You might have to give up, pick 42 this year, and a first round pick. Because if he stays healthy, win or lose, it's kind of going to be that Carson Wentz. Remember when the Colts did not make the playoffs and they still had to give up a first round pick? It's like, yeah, it's the cost of doing business. That's the reality.

And listen, we all hate it in whatever thing we're dealing with. Things are more expensive in 2023 than they've literally ever been. And I'm not saying that should parallel what's going on with quarterback trade compensation. But the reality is he's Aaron Freak. Rodgers. And you can't list, I don't know, seven quarterbacks in the history of the league that are better than them. Now, I get he's old, and I get last year was weird, and you could argue he's gotten a little weird, but you want Aaron Rogers on your team, it's going to be expensive, i.e. this trade. The Jets get to keep their first round pick. They still have a second round pick

because they were willing to trade Elijah Moore. And they will be glad to give next year's first round pick if it's like after 25 next year because that not only means they were in the playoffs means they probably won a playoff game and I would say that would be a successful season. Now when you look at this situation, given what they've paid, given Aaron Rogers now as Bish and Mone for a couple years about the Packers situation, there is a ton of pressure. We'll get to the Packers in a second, but you just look at the New York Jets in a vacuum because this is a short-term move. And whenever you do a short-term move, Right? If I say, hey, you've saved up $100,000 to buy a home.

Put it on a stock, right? Zillow, Netflix, whatever. And you're like, well, I'm planning on buying a home in the next six months. If that stock goes the wrong way, disaster is short-term move. That thing doubles. Fucking incredible, right? So if next year, the New York Jets win 12 games, either win the division or are the top wild card team, it's a success. It completely worked.

but let's not get it twisted. Now, Aaron Rogers, you could argue, he's been one of the top, not just quarterbacks in the league, one of the top athletes in America now for a long period of time. He's used to having pressure on him. He plays for one of the biggest brands. He replaced Brett Favre. He understands pressure.

But anytime you go to a new franchise, right, you don't have any equity with the Jets. You don't have any equity in the New York market, which is completely different than the Green Bay market. So there is an extraordinary amount of, pressure on the situation. And when you factor in the GM, Joe Douglas, who whiffed on his

draft pick, Zach Wilson. I mean, a complete whiff. The guy cannot play. He literally cannot play. And they've acknowledged that. And if you watched him, he couldn't hit basic routes. I mean, stuff that you have to do in high school football. He was struggling to hit wheel routes,

slant routes, the team turned on him, the front office turned on him. He was done. So that happens in sports, right? sometimes you miss on a pick, but you miss on the number two overall pick, no matter how many other picks you miss on, that's a problem. Well, now you trade for Aaron Rogers. It almost doubles down. If this works out, it's all good. It's all gravy. You'll get an extension. If you get Aaron Rogers for two years and make the playoffs both times, Woody Johnson is cutting you guys

extending Robert Sala, Joe Douglas, Nate Hackett, singing kumbaya. If you miss the playoffs, Like Aaron Rogers' legacy is already somewhat established. Right? We'll get into him in a second. But like, if this fails, it's not going to ruin him. It's just not. Now, if it succeeds, it will add something to him. But when you look at these guys, they're all in.

All their chips are now in the middle of the table. Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, you know, the people surround that work for them, they are either getting extended or they're all going to get fired. It's really hard to see a middle ground. And this is the situation you set yourself up for. when you have a disastrous pick at quarterback, and your team's clearly not good enough. And the difference is, like, the 49ers

might have had a disastrous pick at quarterback with Trey Lance, given that he just becomes a backup. Who knows? He might not even beat out Sam Darnold. But their team was good enough. They found another quarterback, and their head coach calls the plays. That's the thing.

So he comes in here, you know, the last several coaches, I mean, really, Aaron Rogers' entire career, McCarthy, LaFleur, offensive guys. Now McCarthy gave up play calling, took it back or whatever, but that's his thing. And obviously, LaFleur has been the play caller the whole time. Now, Rogers, now I'm not saying he's clearly had a lot of influence with the Green Day Packers, but he's in full control. Like this is kind of his show.

And Robert Sala, a defensive guy who doesn't even call the defense, is kind of in this weird position. And it's not like he's ever had a ton of success as a head coach, given that he's only been on the job for two years. Now, he's had success as an assistant coach. but this is a different animal. And the pressure on this squad is just immense. Now, you could argue the other teams in that division, right? The bills desperately need to get over the hump.

I mean, they potentially had the most embarrassing end to a season for a good team last year when the Bengals just mollywapped them. I mean, that was a curb stomping. The Miami Dolphins, a ton of pressure because their team's really good, but the quarterback situation and the Patriots, like, fair or not? is Belichick coached for his job? So the division is kind of fucking nuts. Now, with Rogers, the roster,

in theory, they should be right there with the bills. They should be. But, you know, sometimes the NFL isn't just a plug-and-play league. And sometimes it is. I mean, once upon a time, Favre, once he went to the Minnesota Vikings, boom, had a great season there in the NFC championship game.

That happens this year with the Jets. It's all gravy. And when you think about Rogers, like, listen, Roger's a first bout hall of famer. He's one of the best players of his era, any position and obviously quarterback. But I do think, and if this is a disaster, whatever, a lot of people will blame the Jets.

We saw what you did with the Packers. Those of the Jets will be like Robert Solid, Joe Douglas. It'll be other people's fault. Because that's usually the way it works with Rogers to begin with. But let's say this works. What if I tell you that in the next two years, Aaron Rogers gets the New York Jets to a Super Bowl? Let's say he were to win one.

Like when you really look at his comp, it's kind of Peyton Manning. Now, I would put Peyton Manning above Rogers. He's got five MVP's. Rogers got four. Obviously, they both have, well, I guess Peyton has two Super Bowls. But he went to a couple other ones and lost. Remember, he lost to Drew Brees, and he lost to Russell Wilson.

That's part of one thing that's missing with Aaron Rogers is a ton of success, a lot of conference championship games, but he's only been in the one Super Bowl. So if he could just get to another one and definitely if he becomes a two-time Super Bowl champ, I think that would put him like 1A, 1B with Peyton and whatever, wherever you rank. Peyton. Fourth, fifth, whatever. I would put Rogers right smack dab behind him. Now, you could argue he's still behind him. But right now when you look at the two resumes, there's a little bit of a gap.

And one thing Peyton did, right? Went to another team. Boom. Took the Broncos like a fucking rocket ship. They started kicking everyone's butt. He went to two Super Bowls, one-one, winning MVP's there, was just dominating.

They became a powerhouse. Rogers says that with the Jets? Even if you weren't to win a Super Bowl, that'd be pretty impressive. I mean, this team has been a joke. I mean, let's face it. The way we talk about the lions and the Browns and the tech, some of these other teams,

the Jets, let's Google their resume the last decade. It kind of looks a lot like that. So Rogers, who, if this is a disaster, we'll make fun of them and everything, but big picture, I don't think it changes much. But I do think it can add to somewhat of the legend. And you can, you know, let's say he can't even catch Peyton Manning so he doesn't necessarily need to win the other Super Bowl. But if you're just good, think about Joe Munn,

Montana. It was like Joe Montana went to the Kansas Chiefs, boom, had success back to back years. Pretty sure he went to a conference championship game. Rogers can do that. Be a big feather in his cap. It really will because he will get a ton of credit. Rogers will. I don't think he'll get short-term criticism, but ultimately like he's super rich, he's super accomplished. It'll be Douglas and Sala to get blown out and Rogers just retire and go with Aubrey Marcus to, you know, snored ayahuasca and do whatever they do. But if he's successful, I think we'll talk about more like,

look what Aaron Rogers did to the Jets more than, God, Joe Douglas, of course Joe Douglas traded for Aaron Rogers. And it'll be like, what did Robert Sol really do? Like, he's not even the coordinator, let alone call on the offense. So Rogers has a lot to gain. I don't know how much he has to lose. But at least this is over.

We don't need to wait till draft night. We can kind of let it marinate. And, you know, the Jets still get 15th overall pick, and they still get a second round pick. So they should be able to get a couple starters to go along with the roster that I think we all view it as pretty damn good. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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And I talked to a buddy in the NFL like, yeah, I don't take the Packers seriously anymore. For 30 years, they've had to be. had Brett Farve and Aaron Rogers. And every single year, like, you might have been a hater or whatever, they were getting picked to make the playoffs. And the overwhelming majority of those seasons, they made the playoffs.

And a big reason why it was Farv and Freakin Rogers. I'm sorry, those days are over. And, like, I don't think most people are going to pick them to make the playoffs. Now, obviously, just because people don't pick you or think you're going to be any good, does not mean that you can't be good, right? We all thought the Giants were going to stink, then they were solid.

We all thought Seattle was going to draft number one overall. They went 9 and 8 and they were in a playoff game. So I wouldn't bet my life that the Packers are going to stink or not be a playoff team. But history would show us you usually don't go Favre, Rogers, and then another top 10 quarterback. It's probably over. Now, if LaFleur just turns out to be some stud coach, and I think he's pretty solid, but it's kind of hard to judge

when you've had Aaron Rogers playing at a really high level. And Devante Adams. And Gutakins right now, like McCarthy and Ted Thompson became legends because when they traded Farv and Farv had been kind of being a diva for years, they literally went to Aaron Rogers. And then within a couple years, they won the Super Bowl. So it worked out perfect for them. And I would say if Jordan Love is just like Dak Prescott or Kirk Cousins, these guys are getting large extensions and they will be viewed as, I don't want to say geniuses, but it'll be

very, very impressive. The chances Jordan Love is those guys, though, to me, is just slim the nun. That's just not the way historically the NFL works. And when you just look at the math, like the likelihood that he's going to be a bottom 10 quarterback is complete, like if you were a betting man, you would bet on that over to be the ninth best quarterback in the league, especially, he's surrounded by a lot of young players. And it's not like this Packer team was dominant last year. And whether Rogers obviously didn't have an MVP-like season, he's still more than likely in 2022,

better than Jordan Love is going to be in 2023. So if they went 8 and 9 last year, what are the chances they win seven games this year? I would say I would probably hammer the under. And I just think that more often than not when you make these moves, it's not all their fault. Like, Rogers started acting weird. Devante said,

I'm not going to resign with you. But ultimately, on Brian Gutikin's resume, he was the guy that traded Devante Adams and traded Aaron Rogers. Now, again, you put it in context, but we all know that's not exactly how it works. Right? There was a lot of variables with FARV.

But Ted Thompson got the credit, pulled the trigger, transition, and they kept kicking ass. And his dude started winning MVP's and taking them into the playoffs and winning in the playoffs. and hosting playoff games. I just think the likelihood of that

is just not great. Now, the one thing they got going for them is the NFC isn't great, and their division is more than questionable. It's clear the Vikings are going through this transitional period, and the Lions are ultimately the Lions. Now, I love their roster.

They got a lot going for them, but even they kind of had this bridge quarterback in Jared Goff, right? He's not, he's solid, but I wouldn't say he's their franchise quarterback. They could easily draft young quarterback in the next week and, you know, that transition to that guy and that guy might not turn out to be good. But I think the day and age of just chalking out, you know, the Packers,

like being the Pittsburgh Steelers, every single year winning 10 to 12 games, it's over. It ended. Very risky. You know, and I just think that, you know, Goudicans and LaFleur, their careers, fair or not, are going to be defined by, I would say, the next 24 months. Because I would assume they're going to pick up the fifth year option. If Jordan Love is a quarterback that you give a contract extension to, all gravy. You're in great shape.

But if in two years you're looking for another quarterback, they are in major trouble. Because we just know how hard it is to find. Right? It's very, very difficult. The other thing, the best two players on this roster by a country mile over their run were Devante Adams and Aaron Rogers.

Two players, this general manager, and this head coach inherited. Now, I'm not trying to just shit on Brian Gutikins here. Whenever I've heard him talk and the way he's handled the situation has been impressive. They don't teach you how to deal with all this stuff when you're a road scout or the pro-personnel director. This is only something you can learn kind of on the job. And you either have like the wherewithal, you can take the bullets that are going to come flying or you can't. And he's proven to be pretty impressive, at least to handle it publicly.

but ultimately you get judged in this league not on how you give a press conference or how many people in the media talk you know talk you up about your wins and losses and if you start losing some games and you start missing the playoffs a couple years in a row the difference always was when and listen I've been watching the Packers

I mean one they've been one of the biggest national teams since Fox got the NFL but when I was a kid like in the Bay Area in Northern California they were the 49ers rival and they were a powerhouse. And up through, you know, when I got in the league and they transitioned Aaron Rogers, like they might have missed some playoffs

some of those years with Farvin Rogers. But you always had one of those two guys the following year. And you went, we'll turn it around. And more often than not, they did. They won double-digit games, they get back. They'd win the division. And they benefited their division,

you know, I would say over that period of time has not been great. But they've had, you know, kind of the, you know, the most important thing you could have. Superstar quarterbacks. Not really good quarterbacks. Not like, you know, you can win 10 games, 10, 12 games every year with Cousins or Dack or Lamar or Kyler or whoever. They had all-time greats.

I mean, both guys, I think, without hesitation, I'm putting in my top 10. Definitely, listen, I'm not Belichick a historian, but when you factor in my lifetime, easy top 10. I mean, you could, in my life, definitely the internet age. I mean, besides Brady and Manning, Roger would probably be third, right? Just the best quarterback we've seen. Mahomes is obviously coming strong. But what a day. You know, end of an era.

And it's just, this is why, you know, we'll talk a lot about the draft and character and the way guys are wired. The one thing that you can never truly know, because we've talked a lot about this with NIL. I just saw Caleb Williams got another big NIL contract. Like he's just making millions of dollars.

So when you draft Caleb William next year at number one overall, you won't ask the question, well, like, how will he handle money? He's already a multimillionaire. He's already been a one-percenter in a state where they tax a shit out of you. He's unfaced, right? He's living well. But what about when I start paying you hundreds of millions of dollars and you become easily one of the most famous people on the planet?

Like, how do you handle it? How do you handle as you age younger players? Are you good with younger players? Or do you kind of act weird? Right? One thing Tom Brady always hung his hat on is like, just a great teammate. Till his, you know, retirement.

Great with teammates. Guys loved him. Peyton Manning, I think, was probably equally kind of like hard on guys in practice. Some might say even more. Guys loved him. Guys loved him. And I think Rogers, like, is kind of battled that as he's aged. He got so rich.

He got so famous. You know, just not everyone handles that as smooth because it's hard. Like, I don't know how to handle that. Like, how can you be super famous and just Steph Curry, elite teammate? Like, it doesn't get any better. Like, it took Kobe Bryant till he got really old in the league to figure out how to be, like, good with other players. And Rogers, like, kind of battled that. And, you know, that's the thing you just never know till you get.

Obviously, Farve, you know, was kind of hit her. miss with that as he got older because their ego gets out of control. And the hard part is in a team sport, listen, every human worth of salt believes in themselves. I don't want to say it has some like narcissistic qualities, but like however you combine the ego and belief in yourself, whether that is some shades of narcissism or whatever, you know what I mean. But like when you play a team sport, when you're the leader of a company, like, you got to be very cognizant of that as the lead guy, as the highest paid guy. And it's difficult. And I think Roger is going to be put to the test here. And it's never easy from Jordan Love's shoes to follow the guy.

And that's why Rogers was so impressive when he was young. Like it was to follow those shoes in Brett Farf, it's very, very difficult. I mean, look at Mac Jones last year. Start acting like an idiot. Like, yeah, I get it. Joe Judge and Matt Patricia don't know anything about offense. They should not be calling offense. But you look like a clown jumping up and down on the sideline. You're not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, bro. You can't act like that. Right. So it's very difficult to do what these guys are doing. The pressure, the money. The reason we talk about NFL television ratings is because everyone in the country relative to other shows is watching the product. There are more eyeballs on you in the NFL in a random week game, let alone big Sunday night games and

Monday night games and then the playoffs. So it's the ultimate pressure cooker. And at quarterback, there's nothing like it, right? You're the most famous guy on the team. Literally everyone in the huddle looks at you. The coaches are all over your ass. It's just going to be fascinating to watch this all play out. I would bet on the Jets being pretty solid.

I wouldn't bet my life savings on them winning like 11 or 12 games, but I think when you factor in their talent, assuming Roger still plays at a high level, they'll still be good. And if I was betting on the Packers, like six wins. That's just, I would bet on them not being that good. Just that simple. Because I think Rogers is that freaking good.

And he's that important. And let's face it, it's not like there are some defensive, it's not like, well, you know, they've had like the 2012 Seattle's defense the last five or six years. They're not really built like that. They have been an offensive oriented team. Right. If I just take Patrick Mahomes away from Andy Reed and give him Jordan Love, like,

I'd be like, well, it's Andy Reid. Maybe he can figure out a way to win nine games. But this is an eight-win team with Rogers. So, Godspeed, good luck. And the one thing I will say, the one thing I will say, Packer fans, you've had it well. You've had it really good. And you know this.

I mean, I see you guys, I love the Packer fans. They are such an educated fan base. They love football. To me, like Packer fans, Steeler fans, are just such a knowledge when you talk to these guys just how much, because they've just watched so much good football. They know what it looks like. They even know the slight margins.

And they're all even, like, I think they're ready for this. But they probably can't acknowledge yet that this could be a disaster. This could be really, really ugly. If you're a betting, man, I think that's usually the side you have to pick when you make these transitions. A couple other things. I was listening to New Heights podcast with Jason and Travis, the Kelsey Brothers. They had on Brock Purdy. And just listening, and I was listening to her,

Lillos podcast with Jason Kelsey. He's just such an impressive guy. When we drafted him, I think it was my second year in Philly, he was kind of crazy, not in like a bad way, but I just remember, like, partied pretty hard, obviously won the job from the jump, and he was just, in a good way. I mean, it's kind of wild man.

And in a good, you want your linemen to be wildman. And obviously, Travis Kelsey, who told Brock Purdy on the podcast, I was a major red flag guy coming out of college. And obviously Jason fell in the draft because he was undersized. Travis fell in the draft because he had some red flags in college. And yet both those guys are first ballot hall of famers. And coming up here in the next couple days, we'll end up talking a lot about the first round picks,

and rightfully so. Those are the guys that you give a lot of money to. Those are the guys that, you know, tend historically to be major hits when you pick on them. but any of you guys that are fans of different teams want to know about the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks, right? And I've taken the stance of like, beside the top like 50 guys in the draft,

I don't pretend to act like this guy, some can't miss guy in the fourth, or what a pick in the six, because it's impossible to know. No one has any clue. And as someone that has now been worked in the league and just gone to training camps for a decade, every single year you see this guy like, God, look at this random fifth round pick

or look at this undrafted free agent, whooping the second round picks ass. And listen to those two guys now and just following their careers and obviously going to the Niners praxes who some of their best players, Fred Warner's a third round pick, George Kittles, a fifth round pick. Like they get guys that, you know, obviously Nick Bose is a really high pick, but they have some of their core guys that were later round picks. And the reason is character. And I don't just mean the way you treat people.

I just mean your character when it comes to football. So, like, are you super focused? Does football mean everything to you? No matter what, do you refuse to fail? Will you do absolutely everything in your power to be a good football player? Because clearly, once you make the league, for the most part, you have the requisite, arm length, foot speed, you know, give or take an inch or a couple pounds or whatever. but like the margins for separating in this upcoming draft,

a third round pick and a six round pick is very, very tiny. It's honestly, it's extremely small. And every single training camp immediately, that six or seventh round pick will be better than that third or second round pick. It'll happen all over the league. And you look around the league, there'll be six, seventh, fifth rounders starting, that win starting jobs. They will get veterans cut.

And I don't care how deep we get into this, how much psychological testing we have. It's the coolest part about the draft, the stuff you can't quantify. Like all of a sudden you look back, like Travis Kelsey was a red flag guy. And then he became someone, every guy in the Kansas City Chief's building, players, executives, coaches, beloved. I mean, they swear by the guy. They can't get enough of them. And this guy was a red flag guy coming out of college, right?

So it just shows you how difficult it is Some of these red flag players Coming out of college I remember talking to the Chiefs when they had the Honey Badger They're like favorite player in my team Love the guy He was kicked out of LSU Didn't go till the third round

He's been a team captain on three different teams In the NFL But if everyone knew that That maturity and focus And whatever the question marks were He would have been a top 20 pick But you can't know that at the time When you take because they're kids

they're 21, 22 years old. And I say this all the time. Like, I speak for myself because I do think I represent a lot of guys. Like, most of us are not locked and loaded at 20 years old. Are ready to start a company. Are ready to be some starting quarterback. Are mature enough to handle it. Whether you're any industry, including football.

But as you grow, as you get older, as you surround yourself with either higher level people, dis-successful people, we mature. And like, it's impossible to know. It's absolutely, you can't figure it out. And I think one thing I watched John Lynch's press conference today talking about the draft, they're non-negotiable when it comes to drafting in the recent years is football character and physicality.

And I think if you have high football character and you're physical, because I think sometimes on tape, if you have really good numbers or maybe you produced. It's like, well, you know, we've heard he doesn't love football and sometimes he'll turn down contact

but got to, you know, he had 12 touchdowns. Those are the guys once you get to the league because it's way harder. Preparation, the demand of everything, usually don't work. Like when you look at Jason Kelsey and Travis Kelsey,

those guys are football junkies. It means everything to them. George Kittle, Richard Sherman, just go around the league of these later-round picks that hit to stuff. like football is a major priority in their life. And I love it during this time of year

whenever the media makes a big deal. It's like, why does everybody want? Have a balanced life. The NFL is not a balanced life. For six months of the year, all your chips are in the middle of the table as a coach as a player. It doesn't mean you don't get to see your son

or your wife or go to dinner with them sometimes during the year. But you spend a large amount of time, a large percentage of the pie chart doing football stuff and any time whether you make $10 or whether you make $10 million

if you're going to spend and allocate a lot of your time and energy towards something that's why most successful people tell you if you can do anything try to find something you enjoy doing it. It sounds cheesy but it's so fucking true

because if you enjoy doing something you are less like to not do it. Because most times, I don't care if you're a football player, a podcaster, a car salesman, you name it. You're going to have to work sometimes when I was like, you know,

I'd rather be at the beach. I'd rather be at dinner with my wife. I'd rather just be at home doing nothing. And sometimes you've got to work. Sometimes you've got to do stuff. And when you like doing it, it makes it much more possible. And I think we're going to see

so many guys drafted that are going to be not good football players and so many guys drafted later who are better than, them at football. I think a lot of it comes down to the person. And that's, my favorite part about the draft is the value aspect. The player I want, what round do I have to take them to get them on my team? Regardless of, do I think the guy's going to be a Hall of Famer, Pro Bowl, or whatever, I like this guy a lot. And I want to draft them, but I don't need to take them in the second

round because I can get them in the fourth. And the good GMs know exactly how to maneuver that. Second favorite part is like the wiring of the individuals that you draft. Because most guys are talented, right? Drafting guys from Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, USC, Texas, all over this, not Texas, they had many draft picks lately, but they will this year. But you know what I mean? What separates them is the stuff that you just, it ain't the jumping, it ain't the arm length, that stuff does, but that's why they're good or not at their, you know, position, right? But what's going to sustain and what's going to have them pass guys and what's going to have the guys not make it is all the intangible stuff. And you can do all the rest of, you can do all the

research you want. You can talk to everyone in the program. But man, like it's a lot of you guys listening right now. Like, you know, there weren't many people that believed in me, right? You think that. You like, you're successful human being. You can, people can tell you good, bad, or indifferent, but like what separates people is once they get there, the player. What's inside, deep down. Sounds cliche or stupid, but it's just a fact. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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A win is a win. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and sports.

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So they have not received any calls. My Uber driver the other day that said Derek Henry was going to the Eagles. I think you read a poor article. I read it too. It was surfacing there on the interweb. Rand Carthin, I don't know why he would lie. He just said, we have received any calls. And I talked to a buddy that was like,

why would the Eagles trade? Do you know how much money Derek Henry makes? like no one's trading for a guy that makes that much money. Especially, you know, he's getting a little up there in age. Why is DeAndre Hopkins not traded? Not because he can't play, because he makes $19 plus million a year. If DeAndre Hopkins made seven,

10 teams would have tried to trade for. You make $19 million. It's a little hard to trade for you. The betting markets have Will Levis going number two overall. Vegas, you know, usually makes more money than they lose. but I know this. And I'm, I guess I'd probably closer to a Will Levis fan than someone, I know coward, you know, and I understand the jacked aspect.

It's more about pliability that it is muscles at quarterback. 100% agree. Like that's a fact. Pliability. Look at some of the best quarterbacks. I mean, Peyton and, look at Peyton and Tom Brady with their shirt off, right? Drew Brees. I mean, these guys are not, they don't look like linebackers, right?

Aaron Rogers. These guys, you do not need to be super jacked. And some of the Super Jack quarterbacks that come to mind, especially for older people, is like Kyle Bowler, Brady Quinn. It's harder to play football when you're tight and you're not fluid, right? Golf's the same thing. Pitching's the same thing.

Not about big muscles about fluidity, throwing the ball touch. Now, I watched Will Levin's a couple years ago. I liked good buddy in the NFL swears that if Liam Cohen, who is now the OC again, had never left Kentucky, this guy would be competing to go number one overall. that Rich Scangarello, who everyone in the NFL kind of makes fun of, stinks and kind of ruin this guy.

Now, you could also just say he doesn't see pressure, he gets sacked too often, he doesn't take, you know, he throws the ball too hard, no touch. I personally, if I was going to take Levis, who is also kind of a swing for the fences or Anthony Richardson, I think I would swing on Anthony Richardson.

Because everything I've heard about the character, Will Levis, really good character. Anthony Richardson, same thing. So the character, the workout. I think all that stuff is similar. I'm swinging for the fences either way. I'm trying to hit a home run here. Neither of these guys are viewed as doubles.

Or it's like, you know what? Worst case scenario, you just get a single, you get to round a second, and you just kind of roll back and you just get a quarterback who can function. That's not the case with these guys. So I would personally take a swing for the fence. I would take a swing for the fence.

Right? Like Bryce Young, even CJ, it's like those guys, a ton of tape, they've been really good. These two guys, most people think Will Levis this year was terrible. And Anthony Richardson beside the Utah game, some people think he's like undraftable.

But the other betting market has him as a lock to go in the top five. Like, if one of the guys go in the top five, I would swing with Anthony Richardson. I did a little informal poll, texting around. Most people that reacted to me now a lot of them are teams that do not need quarterbacks. Agreed.

Agreed. And I'm not some Willevis stinks guy. but if I was going to lean one of the two of them because both of them feel like a big stretch right in the history of the draft I remember I think I mentioned this on the podcast one day I was listening to DJ's pod move the sticks and I text them right he came into the league in the early 2000s and I said what would those type players

what round would they have gone in in 2001 he's like the fourth or fifth so quarterback inflation's real but so is inflation everywhere like right things cost more money one pair of shoes you want to buy a bicycle You fucking see how much gas in Arizona is like 520. Things are expensive. Right or wrong, just the way it is. So you want Will Leavis, you want Anthony Richardson, you got to take a high pick? I would lean Anthony Richardson.

So on the internet streets, people giving the Cardinals, Kyler Murray, Oklahoma's spring game was this weekend, and they gave him a statue. So a lot of people making fun that the statue was way too big, obviously Kyle is small. But a bunch of, you know, the new coach, the new GM, the contingent of just new Arizona. zone of people went to go see it. And I guess I just heard people say this. They're like, oh, everyone was giving them a hard time. And I always have a hard time with that one.

Like, who's everyone? Seven people on Twitter, some booger eaters. People with a combined 600 followers. You know, does that count? Who cares? I just think that's so stupid whatever we do that. It's one of my least favorite things. When I see someone in the media go,

everyone was given them, who's everyone? Find me everyone. Three guys with numbers on their Twitter avatar said this is stupid, they should be watching tape. That does not count. No one actually cares. If anything like, yeah, good supportive move. Do they ideally want Kyler Murray?

You know, probably not, but they're stuck with him because the last GM, last coach, and the owner gave them just a contract that is probably going to be one of the great disasters in the history of the league. One thing that, I'll end on this. I wonder if Lamar could get traded on draft night. It just seems like, I don't know. You just, I wouldn't discount it.

I'm not expecting it. But crazier things have happened. I never expected A.J. Brown to get traded. I know it's different with a quarterback, but are we sure that in the middle of the draft or early in the draft, Lamar Jackson has been traded? They just re-signed Tyler Huntley, who is one of the great I did not see coming I've ever seen. I watch a lot of Pac-12 football. did not think Tyler Huntley was an NFL quarterback, let alone a guy that you could win NFL games with.

Ravens have pulled that off. And I wonder maybe they make a trade, they draft a quarterback, kind of reset their salary cap. I'm not expecting it. Got my spidey senses up, though. Got my spidey senses up. Is it just on the table? Okay, let's fire into the mailbag. Ryan, he's up.

And the mailbag is just my Instagram, my name. and firing those DMs. Give a question to answer here on the show. Hey John, long time listener, first time caller. Will Sean Payton's reputation as a quarterback whisper be sullied

if his time with Russell Wilson is dead? As a longtime state's fan, obviously I've seen his chemistry with Breeze, but he's also maximized the play of Bridgewater, James, Taseam, and Discovered Tony Romo during his tenure with the Cowboys.

Is all that nullified of Wilson sucks, would love to hear your thoughts. That would be a big no for me. One thing Sean Payton has going for him into this situation is Russell Wilson was atrocious last year. To me, if he had been the coach that traded for Russell Wilson

and that's what it looked like, yes, his reputation would 100% take a hit. But he's inheriting a guy that we all agreed like, what the hell was that? is every single human, whether you're Bill Polion,

Howie Roseman, Kyle Shanahan, Pete Carroll, or you're me or you that just watch Russell Wilson play went, this guy kind of stinks. Like, what? What is going on?

So that's who he's inheriting. A guy that Pete Carroll said, we didn't want anymore, and then goes to the Broncos, and I get the franchise was in a weird spot because they had a coach over his head. But when he just played quarterback,

regardless of bad play calls and port clock management by Hackett, he just dropped back and would throw an out route or would throw a crossing route or throw whatever, it looked awful. His eye test was really, really bad. So to me, that helps the landing spot for Peyton. Because ultimately, if he stinks, like, wasn't my problem. I didn't pick him. Right?

I never said this guy could play. Well, I know he did say the guy could play. I mean. Like, when you trade for a guy, right, it's on you. Ultimately, Hackett and George Payton, they traded for Russell Wilson. Like, to me, Deshawn Watson,

that's on the owner. But the Russell Wilson situation was Hackett and Peyton. And it wouldn't shock me. Obviously, Hackett lost his job if George does as well. Good morning. I was wondering how you think the Bears

stack up for this year. Obviously, you'll be reading responding to this after the draft. So what else could they add to do to make the playoffs this season? I'm not a huge field guy, so wondering if he's the answer. Well, I'm actually talking, doing this before the draft. I think here's the question. Bejan Robinson is a player that obviously a running back, and most people are like, you can't take a running back super high.

But everyone agrees in the league he's a top two or three player in this draft. Pure talent? it's like him and Jalen Carter. So let's say he's there at 9. And if you're the Bears, what if you take Bejan Robinson? And then all of a sudden you got Bejan Robinson, you got DJ Moore, you got Mooney,

you got Comet, you got Claypool, and you go, Fields, let's see what you can do. Let's say Fields, is it good? Doesn't have a good year. Then you're in a position to get a quarterback next year, a young one. Drake May, Caleb Williams, whatever. You have a surrounded with really good pieces. So to me, if I'm the Bears, I would think long and hard

about taking Bejohn Robinson with the ninth overall pick. I know it's easy to go line, and you can never go wrong, taking a, you know, a tackle, a pass rusher. You know, you win in the trenches. But I don't know in this draft is if there's going to be a guy like head and shoulders above Bejan Robinson when they take. and it just kind of set you up. Who cares if Bejan Robinson

isn't a great player in eight years? Let's just focus on the next four. What if he's the best running back in the league in two years? Hey, this is Austin, and I'm a senior in high school. I'm about to graduate soon and want to go into sports scouting recruiting. I was curious on how I would go about this dream of mine. I would really appreciate it if you get back to me. If not, God bless.

I got you, bro. Wherever you go to college, you go to school. I'm assuming football, but maybe it's basketball or baseball, try to work for their team. And, you know, you already have this in your mind

of what you want to do. You're so young. You've got the world ahead of you. And wherever you go to college, whether it's a big school or small school, get involved immediately. Don't waste any time. Separate from the pack.

Because, hell, I didn't even start doing it to like my junior year. I started working for the athletic program at Cal Poly. like, yeah, probably my junior year. But I didn't work really with the football team until my fourth year. But I was, you know, stayed five years.

Not exactly, you know, Val Victorian here. But time, like, you have a short period of time to really take advantage of it. And when you get to college, like, depending on where you go to school, I think you can, I think, you know, get involved immediately. It would be my best advice.

Really my only advice. I mean, I think that's kind of what I did and it worked out. Big fan of the pod. They've been a godsend for my work days. Thank you for the quality content. You've mentioned Matt Barkley a couple times whenever you reference to working as a scout. I'm a diehard Trojan fan

and have always wonder why he fell so far down in the draft when he was projected as a top 10 pick after his junior year. Was he just massively overrated that junior season? He was on pace to throw more touchdowns of senior year, but then he got hurt in the UCLA game. I was hoping you'd be able to shed some light on the topic because it's been bothering me for a decade. Could you see a tumble magnitude?

I would just say this. I think sometimes when you're at a big program and you put up good stats, there's a hype train behind it, right? If I go to Texas, if I go to USC, if I go to Oklahoma, if I go to one of the SEC schools, if I go to Michigan, Ohio State, and I throw a lot of touchdowns,

I'm going to be a, you know, a highly talked about guy. And we usually, once we start talking about you, your sophomore junior year, we start talking about you as an NFL player. And I think sometimes when you really look at a guy, break him down as a talent, you go, well, he actually isn't that tall. He's actually not very athletic at all. Oh yeah, and his arm's pretty weak. and I think when you really broke him down as a player

he didn't really have that many things going for him to be some top pick so even as a junior would he have gone as a top 10 pick I doubt it I honestly really doubt it because we don't really start nitpicking you until you declare right or until your senior year when we know you can't go back so I think he really got a nitpick bad athlete I mean relative to NFL players not me or you I mean really, really bad athlete, like really, really slow.

And he didn't have a good arm. So you go, like, this guy, and he ended up going in the fourth round. And more power to him, he's had a long, long career. Now, anyone that's listening to this knows what I like in quarterbacks, whether it was definitely in my time in the NFL and 100% ever since. Like, I like a bigger arm guy. Now, that doesn't mean if you'd have an average arm doesn't mean you can't be good. Right?

Like, I'd rather have Dak Prescott than, you know, fucking Christian Hakenberg, right? I'd rather have Brock Purdy than Zach Wilson. But, like, I lean, like, I'm going to like the guys with the bigger arms. That's why Will Levis intrigues me. Obviously, Anthony Richardson, right? Like, I like guys with power arms. Now, to play quarterback is more about just strong arms. But those are the type guys that I like that I have an affinity for.

And it just gets back to the way I was taught in football, right? Like when I got to Fresno State, we recruited Derek Carr. He had a big arm. And then when I got to the NFL, Michael Vick started. Big arm. I just like bigger arm guys. And that's why I never liked Matt Barkley. Chip Kelly didn't care.

Chip Kelly liked Matt Barkley because he thought he was accurate. Question for the mailbag. What do you think about the expansion rumors to Mexico City or London? Do you see the NFL taking the leap internationally? Would the logistics make sense to you? London never really did because one thing that any person that gets first hired in the NFL as a scout, you do a lot of airport runs. You do a lot of taking guys around. And one thing with an airport run means you're signing guys, you're cutting guys.

There's a lot of turnover, especially during training camp. Well, a lot of it, even in Philly is like, we need to fly this guy in. He lives in Texas. He lives in L.A. He lives in Seattle. He lives in Scottsdale. And that was a long flight, but he still got there relatively quick. What if you live in L.A.

And I want to sign you, and it's Tuesday, and it's the season. And I have a team in London. I think logistically, London would be more difficult than Mexico City. Though Mexico City is still, you know, depending on where you're coming from. But it, and I could be wrong. I've never been to eat. either. I've never been to Mexico City. In Tijuana once.

You know, not bad. Kind of fun. Porto Vartre, also not terrible. Been to Europe, but never been to London. London Europe? Yeah. That's going to make me sound really stupid. Again, not a Harvard grad here. UK, you know, EU, EU. I think London would be very, very hard.

I do. I also don't think the NFL's in the expansion business. Like, they got enough teams. Everyone's making enough money. We're right at the kind of, of the line where we got good players. We got enough good players. The top teams are good, but we got enough players that are kind of fringy that the bad players are bad, right? Or the bad teams are bad.

Because we run out of quarterbacks. So I would not be interested in expansion if I was the NFL. Now, you know, some would push back. You're either growing and you're dying. And there's truth to that, but I don't know. I just don't think we have enough quarterbacks. Welcome to Arizona. Question for the bag.

is there any chance in the world the Chargers would ever go back to San Diego? Also, would the league ever force Spanos out? It's a little uneasy with Herbert's contract coming up. They are cheap owners. I would say that they're not going to force Spanos out. Clearly, they got their sights set on Michael Bidwell here in Arizona, and I think if they could figure that out, they will move next to Mark Davis in Vegas.

but I think Spanos can fly a little under the radar because he's in L.A. and it just kind of is what it is. I do not think they're going back to San Diego now. Pretty sure they just built a big practice facility. They got a sweetheart deal. They pay $1 in rent. The Chargers, I mean, San Diego doesn't have a stadium

for them to play in. It's over, man. It's over. Hi, John. Enjoy the pot. a good job. I heard you discussing YouTube TV. I too have used it. We had the fastest internet package and lived in an apartment complex. Every single big football game, AFC, NFC championship game, college football playoff, Super Bowl was available in 4K or at least 1080p. Yet every time we tried to watch these in higher quality resolutions, the game lagged or simply would decrease

on its own. Completely unwatchable at the higher resolution. Watching George a destroy TSU in 720P or even 480P was about as fun as it sounds. Did you experience any of this with the bigger most watch games? Other than non-sports content, it did just fine. I never have any issue. Now, I'm with you. I get the highest level internet possible. And I'm also, my office is, like I've said,

it's just an apartment, a studio apartment, that it's just an office only. And there are other, you know, units in this, building. So, I mean, I guess you would share internet in the sense of like the internet's all coming here. I had no issue. I have some issues sometimes because they got smart TVs if my internet is being weird. But like if I'm watching the masters, football, basketball, anything, right, in the 4K or whatever the highest I pay for, I guess it's 4K. I don't even notice. It's clear. I have no lagging issues. Now, I do think YouTube TV is behind some of your guys' packages, whatever your cable

packages are, but in terms of buffering, it's the one reason that I've kind of been adamant in my defense of why this is going to work. When it comes to Amazon Prime, and when it comes to YouTube TV, I have no issues. Now, I understand maybe some of you do. And, you know, what's funny is I went to probably within... in the last month, I was, me and my girlfriend, she's in real estate. I said, let's pick four or five houses that I'd be interested in buying. Let's go look around. One thing I sneakie do when I look at a house is like, I look at my phone service. And I remember I was at this house. It's actually pretty intriguing house. Pretty sweet, actually. It's sold, but he had one bar.

I'm like, you know, this would be a problem. So, you know, and this was kind of in the mountains in North Scottsdale. I was like, I wonder would that be a problem? And I was like, I wonder, would that be a with streaming and I just had one bar for my phone service and listen I could be talking out of the left side of my you know what that this doesn't even they're completely separate but depending on where you live obviously it might change things and streaming is different than some of the cable companies but I've never had any issues it's why that I feel pretty confident in my situation now I've only done the YouTube TV at this office if I transition I'm probably going to get an office no matter what.

I'm going to keep an office whenever I buy a house. I'm going to put an office there. But I also, one thing that has been really, really enlightening for me, now I have a unique kind of business. I like leaving the house and going to an office. Now, I don't plan on going far, but I could see myself renting something within a square mile or two from wherever I get a house.

Because I like having an office. you know, I like separating. I've been way more productive, and I was pretty productive when I had the office in the condo, but there's something about leaving. So maybe I'll get screwed when I try to get YouTube TV at my house, and I'll just have to install it at the office and just be spending more time there watching stuff.

What have you heard about Will Anderson? Everyone in the media is mocking him in the top five, but Chris Simms says he doesn't really see it, and here's NFL people that don't see it either. Well, I just TV scout guys now, and whenever I watch Will Anderson, I really, really liked him. And they start asking around,

and I think whenever you put a guy on a pedestal, like Jalen Carter, you go, Jalen Carter sweet, and you go, Jalen Carter relative to all these detackles that have gone for the last decade, would be sweet against those guys. But you go, Will Anderson, sweet edge rusher. Well, relative to who? This draft class?

or Nick Bosa, Miles Garrett, start going through some of the top edge rushers. And every single person will go, he is not bad. But super high character guy, super hard worker, plays really hard. But I think one thing that concerns people,

he's not a bendy guy. And I do think if you're not going to have unlimited power, like a young Khalil Mack, and you can't really bend, it limits your ceiling. So I think, some people, and I'm not, and again, like, I haven't broken him down on film, but the knock I've heard is like, you know, he's not special. He's not special. He's going to be solid. He's

going to be a good player. It's going to be hard for him to fail just because he's like Nick Saban's hardest worker ever. He's a serious cat. But physically he has some limitations. He is, you're just, you're not getting, you know, more than likely some pro bowl immediate pass rush. It doesn't mean he can't eventually make a pro bowl. I've just heard, you're just heard, you're heard his ceiling is not as high as the way as, and I'm guilty of this too, media people might talk about him. Because who did I hear talk about this? I heard Michael Lombardi say that he really liked the Notre Dame tied in during the fall. You just watch him on television, right? You just, you watch Notre Dame games. You're like, God, this guy's a beast. He's like Grunkowski. And

sometimes you think that. And he's like, then I watched him on the All-22 tape. And you know what? He's just, he's not as twitchy. He's just not as, he's not, he's not even close to Grunkowski. And I think sometimes when you watch a guy on television and as a scout and then you watch a guy on the tape and you really break him down, you find flaws. You find flaws.

So that's, and let's face it, when you are a high, just you're going to be a top 10 pick, you get nitpicked because it's like, we're investing a lot of money in you. So we better know all. all the strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes you just figure out

that the guy has more weaknesses than you originally thought. So the number one thing I've heard is the bend. Stiff in the ankles is another word I've used to heard about him. With all the Treyland speculation about him being traded, I wonder if you give a bit more insight

into why the 49ers should give up on him so early for nothing. I know the odds are against him at this point, and he hasn't been great, but given he hasn't really had a proper chance at playing due to injury, wouldn't it make more sense just to write it out? John Lynch kind of alluded to that.

If Brock Purdy was healthy, I think 100% Tray Lance would be gone. I still think for the right price, even with the unknown on Brock Purdy, they would trade them Thursday or Friday. Now, they're not going to trade them for a fifth round pick. They're not going to trade them even for a fourth round pick. But like, would the Houston Texans give their 65 overall,

the top third round pick? I think the 49ers would think about it. Now, are the Houston, Texas going to do that? Doubtful. So it doesn't make much sense to give him away for nothing, given that he's a good guy, that he's trying. The only reason you trade him and quote unquote give him away is because you go, well, we don't think he's going to beat out Sam Darnold.

And then if he doesn't, and he's a third string quarterback when Purdy comes back, his value is like a seventh round pick and a bag of balls. It's nothing. So try to get value now. But you go, listen, there is a major unknown on Purdy's elbow. There's no guarantee that he comes back. Let's just write it out to see if, hell, maybe he's, maybe he shocks us all. Because this is not a media creation.

The 49ers do not think he's that good. The players didn't think he was that good in training camp. This is nothing to do with the guy. Good guy, people like him. But as a player, the team wanted Jimmy G back. It's not an opinion. Obviously, it's factual because they resigned him. But the reason they did is because the star of players like, yeah, this ain't going to work, guys.

This is not going to fly. We're trying to be good. and yeah. So I don't expect him to get traded, but I don't think it's off the table this week. I do not. Now, like you said, there's a level of risk. Pretty, we won't know until 12 weeks in how his elbow holds.

Crazy story, man. Pretty nuts that John Lynch had a press conference before the draft on Monday. And two years after drafting him, right? I guess they drafted him in 2020 as 2023. So two drafts, two drafts since, 21 and 22. We just openly talk, I guess he was drafted in the 21 draft. 21, 22. So, yeah, two drafts sense.

They just openly talk, like, yeah, people have called us about them. This guy they traded three first round picks for, technically two, but they swap picks and then two other first round picks. They're just like, yeah, we've had conversations. It's not something we're willing to do right now. That's a conversation that the general managers is openly having. It's not even that weird. They got lucky.

Because unlike the Jets, like the Jets suck. So they had to do the Rogers thing. They can't afford to miss on Zach Wilson. 49ers, miss on Trey Lance, whatever. They've been to back-to-back conference championship games. I mean, that's winning cures all. You can make disastrous moves, disastrous moves. You can invest in every terrible stock.

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