The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - The Mahomes/Brady Bowl; Super Bowl Props, Pick. Keys, Props; Wentz on the Block?; Watson Trade Value; Mailbag
Episode Date: February 5, 2021In this episode, John explains why Patrick Mahomes is the only modern QB who even has a chance to chase Brady and gives his Super Bowl pick, favorite prop bets, and keys to the game. He also dives int...o Carson Wentz trade rumors, Deshaun Watson's trade value, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I watched the AFC championship game.
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And I watched a little bit of the AFC championship game from 2018.
And it got me thinking I'm going to hit on that over the top.
Just some Mahomes, Brady stuff.
They'll dive in a little bit to the game.
I mean, everyone's doing like, game breakdown.
A couple of little thoughts I have for the game.
Ultimately, I'm going to pick the Chiefs.
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Watching the 2018 AFC championship game,
I mean, that was the peak of the Patriots dynasty.
They'd already won five Super Bowls.
They would go on to beat the Rams and win their sixth.
They were a powerhouse.
Brady was an absolute legend.
Belichick was also a legend.
Their team was awesome.
Their defense was really good.
And I'm watching the AFC championship game, a first-year starter.
Now, he had just won the MVP, but as we all know, the playoffs are completely different.
We've seen Lamar won an MVP.
Can't do anything in the playoffs.
So Mahomes gets to the playoffs.
He faces Belichick and Brady at home.
And in that game, it was a war zone.
Belichick had got Patricia left, so his defensive coordinator was Brian Flores,
which we all agree dramatically better than Matt Patricia.
Their defense was excellent.
I mean, they would just go on to hold McVeigh and the Rams
to three points in the Super Bowl,
and they were peppering.
Let me repeat, peppering Mahomes.
And I'm watching this game thinking,
God, this guy was so ready to win a Super Bowl right then.
And he's staying in there, he brings the Chiefs back,
he's making all these throws.
Tony Romo is just in awe of what he's seeing.
And I'm just thinking, God, if this guy was a stock,
now we all knew it,
But it's easy to say now, two years later, they won a Super Bowl, they're back in another.
Of course this guy was destined for super start-up.
Sometimes that doesn't happen, right?
You get to a championship game, it takes you a couple years to get back.
This guy lived up to all the hype.
He became a champion.
He became easily probably the best player in the league.
And it was just doing that against Belichick and Brady was so, I mean, obviously he doesn't
play against Brady, but doing that against Belichick was so impressive.
And the greatness of Tom, and we talked about earlier this week,
what makes people great.
The studies have been done.
That it's not talent.
It's not intellectual capacity.
It's grit.
It's toughness, right?
And clearly Mahomes,
I think an element of Mahomes game,
with any great quarterback,
we don't talk about enough.
And we deal with, like,
defensive linemen and offensive linemen
and tight ends and linebackers is like
toughness, toughness,
sometimes the quarterback's talking about arm strength,
you know, understanding of the offense,
ability to make the deep throws,
not enough about toughness.
And he's staying in there,
he's taking these hits,
he's making these throws.
It's like Patrick Mahom's toughness is elite.
But what really, and we talked about with Brady,
what made him so special,
he has the physical attributes, he had a great coach,
his drive was incredible,
his discipline was so elite.
I mean, the second half of Brady's career,
started eating an avocado ice cream,
didn't eat tomatoes, drinks all this water,
does all this pliability,
and he's still going at 43.
And I saw Andy Reid say this week
that like the crazy thing about Tom Brady now,
I think he told coward this.
I remember when we played him in the Super Bowl in like 0-405,
I see a very, very similar player.
One guy was 25, the other guy's 43.
Made my mass off.
But you get what I'm saying.
One guy was in his 20s.
The other guy's in his mid-40s.
Brady's discipline has allowed him just his...
How many people do you know
that are truly, truly disciplined?
Because I sometimes struggle with discipline, right?
I claim I want to eat well,
and then I order a cheeseburger and fries.
Why? Because the cheeseburger and fries is good.
and then maybe I'll have a bowl ice cream.
I'm not great with discipline.
Now, I get up consistently, I work hard,
but I mean to be truly be disciplined.
Everything in Brady's life, everything revolves around Sunday,
revolves around getting to Sunday.
Whether that's in March, getting ready in the off-season,
whether that's in August getting ready for the season,
whether that's this week on a Wednesday or Thursday.
He said this week that his family,
I don't know if he sent him away or they were naturally going,
away. My guess would be
he told them to go away.
Because during Corona,
you know,
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
were not going to stay in a hotel.
In a normal year, even if Tampa
was playing at home, the team would have
stayed in a hotel all this week.
But because that's not, you know,
they're all going home. Obviously,
the Chiefs show up to the Super Bowl
on Friday. Brady has had
the entire house to himself, you know,
for the last two weeks. And they're coming back,
I think, on Saturday. When he actually goes to
team hotel. Why do you think he did that? Discipline. He needs to focus. Biggest game of the year.
He has two extra weeks. This is a defining, it's not really a defining game for him, but every Super Bowl
means so much to the guy. Now, he plays a lot of him. But it truly is. The admiration I have for the
man, not just his, how great of a football player he is or how much winning he does. Honestly, the thing
that I admire the most about him is his incredible discipline. And I say the same thing,
with Coach Reed having lived around it, his ability, every single day, win or lose,
whether the team is this good or whether he's coaching a five-win team with the Philadelphia
Eagles, showing up every day at four or five in the morning and getting ready for that week's,
you know, game.
His preparation is, I would say, I would imagine only like Belichick, hour for hour can hang.
And it's why he's been a great coach in the league for so long.
And it's why eventually, once he's got this all-time great player, he's kicking everyone's
His work ethic, his determination is unmatched.
And I think a lot of coaches, you know, the really good ones, have this incredible work ethic.
They always look for that in their own player.
And sometimes it's hard.
Like Belichick and Brady were the ultimate match because they were like-minded that way.
They were, as I say, obsessed with the sport of football.
And when I say that, I don't mean just like talking about it or watching it.
When you're a player or a coach, it means the stuff that goes into getting ready for the action.
games. And the thing about football, unlike basketball or baseball, in baseball, you just show up,
take some BP, and then you play again. Then you go over four, you just show up again, and you play
the next day. In basketball, if you have a 10-point game and you're a 30-point score, you got a game
two nights later, and then maybe you've got a back-to-back. You just keep shooting. In football,
you've got to wait a week, and the week between games is really hard. You have to get your body
back right. You have to watch the film and make the corrections from the opponent you just played.
then you have to get the game plan from the coaches.
Also, if you're a quarterback, you're watching the team you're playing before you even show up Wednesday.
You're working Monday and Tuesday.
Then you take that game plan, you work with the coaching staff to implement it over the next two or three days
to get to like Friday afternoon to where you think you have a pretty good graph,
to then put it all in like kind of crystallize it on Saturday,
make some changes Saturday night all for Sunday.
Then you do it all over again.
It's an incredible grind to every.
every game. And the relentless drive of, obviously, coaches have it. Now, Andy's a lead at it.
But what Tom has, and I think like Peyton Manning and a rare amount of guys have had over the years,
he's a lead at it, Drew Breeze. I don't think we talk about Mahomes like that. And I'm watching
this game in 2018 when he's going toe to toe and blow for blow with Belichick and Flores sending
these blitzes at him, him getting his ass kick. He never flinched. Never once flinched, I went.
I don't think we talk enough about this guy's toughness.
Then I heard Veach on with Peter King telling this story is like,
you know, everyone talks about the no look passes and the touchdown passes
and just how funny he is and him scrambling and throwing deep bombs.
He's like Monday morning after we had just won the AFC championship game
for the second year in a row,
Veach is like, I show up to the office at 6 a.m.
And I'm walking through the training room.
And I look over.
One guy is in the training room.
He's getting work done on his foot.
That's the quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, with an iPad and a notebook in his hand.
What do you think he was doing? To me, there's only two options. He was probably watching that
film. Potentially, maybe he was watching the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Either way, his discipline,
clearly he's got it. And Tom Brady, I think it's most of us just naturally say what he has
pulled off, and he's not done, I mean, whether he wins or lose this game, he's coming back
next year, the team's going to be really good, and he's going to be right back in the mix.
his accolades are going to be very, very difficult, if not impossible,
for any quarterback to match.
And like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers, some of the great quarterbacks in the league
that are in the 30s don't have a snowball's chance in hell to ever begin to catch him, right?
The only guy who truly would even have a chance would be Mahomes.
And I think most of us would say, even if you're a diehard cheese fan,
if I go, well, he made his second Super Bowl, do you think he makes eight more?
And you'd like, listen, if you told me we make five more over the next decade and a half, that'd be pretty sweet.
In all truth, that would be, right?
In all fairness to just how difficult the game is.
If Mahomes were to make seven Super Bowls,
let's say win three or four,
there's a chance he'd go down as a second best quarterback
of all time passing Montana behind Brady.
But you'd go, if he wins this one, he's already got two,
he's going to be the big-time favorite next year
and for the foreseeable future.
It's not crazy to think he'd get to four or five.
Hell is six, right?
Brady's got six.
But for him to do it, his discipline has to be.
to be elite. Right? And from what Veech is talking about, it already is. But we never talk about it.
You know, I think we talk about it with the guys that can't move. Right. Like, how does Brady, how does
Manning, how is Bree's so good? We're like, well, they watch more film than anyone in the league.
They spend more time preparing for the game. They outthink you. Clearly Mahomes is doing that.
Like Brett Farr, for example, went to two Super Bowls, but only one-one. And I'd say when you look back
at his career for how great he was.
He won three straight MVPs.
You go, God, he was so good he probably should have won more.
Or Aaron Rogers.
Aaron Rogers is really only going to end up.
He's going to win one Super Bowl, but he's only going to make it to one.
That's pretty nuts.
Mahomes has a chance.
He gets it all because he got to soak it up from Andy
what it takes to be a great preparer.
He got to, he lucky enough to be on a team that has an elite skill guys around him
and a great general manager that, as those guys age,
to be able to accumulate more talent.
Part of what Belichick did for Brady over the years is like
they had a great defense when he first got there.
Then they added sweet offensive guys in Randy Moss and Wes Welker.
And then as time changed, they draft Gronkowski.
They find Edelman, right?
They get all these sweet offensive linemen.
Their defense is good again.
Belichick, the GM, who everyone's shitting on,
might want to check his resume.
Worked pretty well in New England when he had Tom.
And I think Patrick Mahomes is pretty well situated
in a place that is going to keep rolling around him, right?
is going to keep putting guys like Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey,
like they have a chance like Chris Jones, Honey Badger,
they're going to keep landing dudes.
Why?
Check out Veach's history.
Check out Andy's history in Philadelphia.
He lands guys.
They understand talent.
They are good evaluators.
And Mahomes clearly has the physical attributes.
So what is going to separate this guy and give himself a chance?
Probably pretty difficult to be the greatest quarterback of all time,
but I don't think it would be out of the realm possibility on the pace he's on.
is going to be his discipline
and his willingness
to never flinch in terms of his preparation
getting ready for the games and his body.
He's got a couple things going for him already, right?
He's pretty mature in the sense that
I think he's engaged right now
or maybe he's married.
He has a baby on the way.
So like he's not going to be,
you know, he's 25 but he's single
and he's got all this money.
No, he's already got a home life.
You know, he's already pretty focused.
And I saw a great quote from Veach
when they side Chad Henney.
I think Peter King wrote it.
The number one thing he wanted
in his backup quarterback was to be married with kids.
And he kind of said it tongue and cheek,
but he was kind of serious.
I want my backup quarterback focused like an assistant coach.
I want him locked and loaded.
And what makes Brady and Breeze
and just all the guys in recent memory,
that's how they thought.
And Mahomes for a young guy,
I wouldn't blame him if he was single or whatever.
He just happened to have this girlfriend that came with him,
and now they're engaged, now they have a baby on the way,
like they're going to have a home life.
Now, statistics will say,
who knows they stay together forever,
but if they do,
like he's going to have a pretty mature
surrounding life.
I've seen it in my backyard with teams that I root for.
I saw it with the San Francisco Giants
for a long period of time.
Buster Posey was married at like 23 years old.
He was the team captain, best player
for years with the Giants that won three
World Series. He was not running around
screwing around. His life was
pretty simple. Baseball and family.
I see it with Steph Curry,
who was married really young,
family just like turned 30 or 31. Basketball and family. It's pretty clear with Mahalms. It's
going to be just football and family. And when it is that, I'm not saying you don't get to
screw around or have nights with the boys. That's not my point. But he actually is pretty
situated to be focused, to be locked in, he already has those traits, and he's already starting
off so fast. If he wins this Super Bowl, like I wouldn't say he'll probably get to 10 Super Bowls
and catch Tom Brady as the goat. But there is a peasant. There is a peasant.
for you to end up there, right? There is a road. There is no road for Aaron Rogers. There is
no road for Russell Wilson. There is no road for any of these guys. They don't have the time on
their side. They're too old. They're just too late. Patrick Mahomes is on the road. And then you
factor in all the variables. To me, one of the variables would be, well, Andy's in his early 60s,
like 62, 63. If he coaches seven years, right, there is a decent chance Mahomes has a coach
in the second half of his career, right? But I'd say by then,
he'll be so knowledgeable and have so much understanding that he can help the coach out.
Like is Bruce Ariens, an all-time great coach? Of course not.
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I don't. I feel Brady kind of carried them.
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and he's won three or four Super Bowls,
they hire Coach X,
Mahomes has all the secret secrets.
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Okay, let's give a couple of football thoughts on the game.
Chiefs, minus three.
Obviously a ton of fun props.
It is betting on the length of the national anthem.
I put 50 bucks on Rob Grunkowski to score the first touchdown.
I think I got it like 14 to 1 odds.
I also dabble a little bit on Devin White and Honey Badger.
Every once in a while a defensive player has like a pick six, has 10 tackles, and wins the MVP.
So those are just some random bets I have.
I'm not going to bet on the game.
Because I'm actually not that confident.
I think you bet consistently against Tom Brady.
It's a losing proposition.
I would have bet against Tom Brady last week.
I said it.
I would have bet the house.
I didn't, but I liked the Packers to cover.
I get nervous in some of these playoff games,
unless I like a big underdog,
which I have several times in my life.
I went all in in in college on the New York Giants against the Patriots,
won a lot of cash.
I went all in against the Denver Broncos,
against the Carolina Panthers
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I don't feel that
because I do think Tampa is very talented
and they have the greatest quarterback of all time.
I'm taking the Chiefs minus three
but it's not like a confident bet.
I'm just betting on the best team in the league.
That's basically my bet.
I'm betting on the best team in the league.
This won 25 or 27 games
and is the defending champion
who has the best player in the league.
I mean, him are Rogers, right?
Now you can say, well, they just beat Rogers.
I think some turnovers, whatever.
And last year, Mahomes, like, they were down double digits in the fourth quarter to the 49ers.
And then he hit Wasp and the rest is history.
But when I look at Tampa Bay, to me, here's the thing.
Watching that 2018 game in the AFC championship, I think technically it was January of 2019,
is late in the fourth quarter, Tyree Kill had one catch.
Belichick's greatest attribute is taking away your best player.
And to me, Tyree Kill, the difference between Tyree Kill, the difference between
Tyreek and Kelsey, and both those guys are elite.
For the most part, Kelsey can't, like, have five catches for 180 yards, right?
If Kelsey gets 150 yards, he probably has, like, 12 or 13 catches.
It's a slow-ass kicking.
But you can take a slow-ass kicking because it keeps you in the game.
Tyreek, if you're not careful, can have five catches for 190 yards and three touchdowns.
So to me, if you can find a way, and Todd Bowles is a great defensive coordinator,
if they can take him out of the game or at least slow him down
and keep his yardage, I'd say 50 to 60 yards,
especially like the first three quarters, they're going to be in the game.
That's easier said than done.
They have a lot of young defensive backs,
but if they're able to do that, they have a chance.
If they can't, zero.
He'll kick their ass.
And when he's on, they win.
I've watched a lot of chief football.
I'd imagine many people listening.
When tennis is kicking your ass, it's over.
Because then Mahomes just gets in a rhythm,
and then Kelsey gets open more.
Other guys get, it's a wrap.
If they can slow the guy down, I think they have a chance.
Tampa Bay is sneaky.
Like, listen, they got Mike Evans, they got Godwin.
I think Antonio Brown's going to play in this game.
Cameron Brate, Tom Brady threw 40 touchdowns.
Passing game can be awesome.
Bruce Ariens has wet dreams about throwing bombs.
Like, that's what they hang their hat on.
But they're running game, I'd say the latter half of the season
and in the playoffs,
playoff Lanny looks good.
Rojo is good.
I've liked Ronald Jones since SC.
They have a good running game.
You know what the best part about a running game
when you're playing a team like Patrick Mahomes?
You keep them off the field.
I watched it last year with the 49ers.
Run the ball, slow down the game, move the clock.
It's very Belichick game.
The crazy part about the Buccaneers,
they're not really built like a Belichick team.
Like they have all these star players,
I would do everything possible
to play like some of the Patriot games.
Dump it off.
slow down the game, play defense, try to keep the thing in like the low 20s.
Don't get into a shootout with these guys.
That is not the way to win.
And Tampa has, Tampa's not the little engine that could that added Brady.
They have blue chip players.
Mike Evans is a star.
Godwin is going to get a ton of money this offseason.
Antonio Brown, before he went nuts, was like, you know, on a path right to the Hall of Fame.
Devin White, star.
JPP has played like a star this year.
Vita Vevaea, one of the best
350-pound players in the league in the last like 20 years.
Like they have excellent players.
So they can play talent-wise,
this is not a mismatch.
But when I look at the teams like
the Chiefs have a clear identity.
They know how to win.
They've been doing it now for three straight years.
Tempe did not win until Tom showed up.
Plain simple, period, point, blank, end of story.
Now, their defense was good,
and their offense could score points,
when you watch them like ton of penalties
little loosey-goosey a little bit that's bruce arians
Bruce ariens is a little loosey-goosey
so to me can they just play a little more buttoned up
now that's probably asking a lot
but just talent if they can play buttoned up
they can play with these guys because they do have the guys
you know Tom can play buttoned up
but can the guys around them can the coaching staff
you'd say historically that's not really their deal
and to me Kansas City is pretty simple
if their offense is dialed in no matter how good Tampa's defense is
they're winning if Mahomes has an
game, he wins.
It's just that simple.
When Mahomes is good, his team's going to win.
He's the best player on this field.
And think about that.
The greatest quarterback ever to play in the game
is playing in a Super Bowl,
and he's not even the best player on the field.
Patrick is.
So if he plays well,
the Chiefs are going to win,
and probably pretty comfortably.
Big reason the Niners were in the lead,
Mahomes was playing like shit last year.
Mahomes was awful in that Super Bowl
until he flipped a switch in the fourth quarter.
And that's what great players do.
but I'd say before that fourth quarter stretch
where he threw a couple touchdowns
I bet if he was sitting right here with me
I'd say what would you give your grade
up till that wasth throw
I guess what do you'd say like C minus D plus
it was not good
now a big part of that was the Niners defense
but he was off he was just overthrowing guys
he was just not crisp
but if he plays well the chiefs are winning
just period point blank end of story
yeah I mean and I think we know the deal
if you can get a pass rush on Tom
unlike Patrick like Patrick can move around
Tom can't.
So if you can get them, and it's happened in the Super Bowl before,
where you go up the gut and you get the interior pressure,
it throws them off.
And they gave Chris Jones all this money.
He's one of the best inside pass rushers in the league.
You just got to ride him.
And if he has a big game, like Tampa's in trouble.
To me, Tampa, Chiefs can win this game with like their B game.
Tampa can't.
So I think there's a lot more pressure on Tampa to play Crisp.
And the Niners did last year,
and they still blew it because they couldn't do it for four quarters.
Chiefs don't.
The Chiefs, to me, that's where they have parallels to some of those Warriors teams.
Once Kevin Durant showed up, they don't need to play their A game to win championships, let alone games.
Like, they could win a Super Bowl.
I mean, if Tampa was off, the Chiefs could win a Super Bowl, like, with a B-minus game.
Tampa's on?
Chiefs probably got to be like B-plus, but they can win it with their B-plus.
Their margin for error is just much, you know, wider.
Their guys are just used to playing in these games.
They're just, they have a bunch of champions on their team.
and the buckstone.
It's why I'm going with Kansas City
minus three.
Andy Reed, Mahomes, back-to-back
Super Bowl champions.
Let's dive into Carson Wentz.
And I'm going to look at this.
I'm going to try to look at it very, very simplistically.
Is that Carson Wentz, a quarterback,
is the most important asset a team can have
in terms of their players, right?
We all know that.
And when you factor in Carson Wentz,
how much the Eagles spent for that asset, right?
They traded all these picks
to get up to draft them.
Then they doubled down
and they paid them all this money.
So they've used draft capital.
They've used financial capital.
They've invested a lot.
They've taken this asset
and they've just pumped resources.
Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
And the ROI was not great this year.
And really the last couple years
given that he was hurt,
has not been ideal.
But this year was a disaster.
His play was awful.
He's not getting along with people.
He can get along with, you know, his coach.
Just a professional.
problem. So I think they have to ask themselves two things. If I'm Howie Roseman, I'm Jeffrey
Lurie. I don't know if I really, the new coach, how much he factors in, but he should. If
you're running a high-level organization, he should have an opinion. Number one, and this is why
you hired this guy potentially, can we fix him, right? We've invested all this money. Is it spilled
milk? Is it over? Or can our new coach? Can we get more talent around him? Can we fix this
player. Is he a fixable player? Because he's our asset right now. Now, we could be open to getting rid of
him for sure. That would be just, you'd be, you know, negligent. You'd be just dumb not to entertain
everything. But we have him. He's on our team. He's under contract with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Can we get him back to what he once was three or four years ago? Do we believe we can? That to me is the
number one question you have to ask yourself. Now, can we get as value? You know, we get his value
back up, because if he gets his value back up, then he's valuable to us.
Because he plays the position he plays. We want him on this team. If his values up,
that means he's good, that means we want him. Just that simple. Do we believe,
if you just use it at 1 to 10 scale, right? If Mahomes, Rogers, Brady, whatever, top
quarterbacks are 10 out of 10. We've seen Mahomes have flashes of like 8 or 9. Right now he's at
like a 2. The problem is we're paying him like a 10. But his play,
his locker room stuff, he's like a two or three.
Disaster.
Can we just get him back to like a seven or eight?
Because if we can, then he's worth keeping.
Only they truly know how they feel about that.
And if they're entertaining calls,
then I think there's a chance they already know the answer to one.
They believe, whether they're right or wrong,
and they would know this once they trade them,
we don't believe we can fix them.
So two, if I am going to entertain trading them,
I have to ask myself this, is it over?
because if I can't fix them, do I believe someone else can?
Because I don't want to deal him.
Like, that would just mean I don't want to deal with him anymore.
Because if I'm going to trade him,
I am basically acknowledging we don't believe we can fix them
and we don't really like him around here anymore.
Because if I do trade him to the Niners, to the Saints,
you know, to the Colts,
I have to come to grips with he might be good.
he might go from that two or three back to a seven or eight
hell even a nine
I have to come to grips with once he leaves me
he might be good again
am I cool with that
am I cool with just drawing a line in the sand
like listen you know when someone gets a divorce
and you go like James or Bill
you're leaving her
she's so hot
she's got a great job she got money
she's a great mom
my wife loves her
what are you doing
And he's like, I'm telling you, John, I can't stand her.
You're like, well, listen, you're the one sleeping with her every night, right?
Only truly you spend every night and spend every day around her.
You know better because, listen, she's going to go on the open market.
She's going to find another husband.
And he's going to look good on Instagram pictures.
Probably marry a rich guy.
You could look bad.
You might not be able to rebound.
You might not find a better wife than her.
You might lose this transaction, at least on paper.
Are you cool with that?
And he might just go, I can't do it anymore.
I have to get a divorce.
Just like the Eagles might be saying,
we can't do Carson Wentz.
We are over Carson Wentz.
But you have to acknowledge that when you trade him to the Colts,
let's say the Saints get involved, the Niners, whoever,
I haven't seen teams interested.
These are pretty basic teams that would be interested.
If he goes to these places,
there's a chance he kicks ass.
and takes names.
That would make you look bad.
You have to just come to grips with that fact.
Because I know having lived in Philadelphia,
it would get ugly.
People would be pissed off.
Especially if you can't, you know,
if Jalen Hertz is just a guy
or you can't draft another guy.
Because if you're willing to trade him,
like if you get a divorce, she's single then.
She can go date whoever she wants.
You trade them, especially to a good coach.
Like Nick Seriani,
and Kyle Shanahan or Sean Payton.
Right. Those guys, if they got their hands on them,
and maybe it's over with Carson Wentz.
Maybe he's just too entitled, too many bad habits.
He's never going to be good.
I don't know. I don't have the answer.
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I could justify trading for him if I was a GM.
And there's part of me that, like, I wouldn't touch the guy.
I'm out on Carson once.
I'm like on the fence.
I don't really, I'd have to get way more information.
From the information I have,
probably be out on him.
But, like, I'm a sucker for talent,
and his ability, his physical attributes are elite.
There's a reason I pay Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan
$10 plus million a year.
Coach the guy up!
Now, if he is such a locker room cancer,
like you can't get along with his teammates,
I'm out on that with a quarterback.
I don't do that.
We can do other positions, but not quarterback.
I need my quarterback to be the galvanizing force in the locker room,
especially when he makes all that money.
And so to me, Carson Wentz, I would lean I'd be out on him,
so I'd understand what the Eagles doing it.
But I would also be very, very nervous.
I would like to send him to a bad team,
because I would like it to be ugly.
I would not want to put him in a situation, you know, to kick ass.
But, like, as we see with quarterback,
he could kind of dictate some of that stuff.
What if he says, I refuse to show up, or who knows?
I mean, I would doubt that.
I don't know how much leverage he has, but why would a bad team trade for him?
Maybe they would just take a flyer on.
I don't know.
But, so to me, you just have to, the Eagles have to come to grips with, can we fix them?
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Okay, let's dive into Sean Watson. It's something I've been thinking a lot about.
because teams, and I think you could use the NBA as an example of this,
two superstar players have been traded over the last 12 months.
James Harden and Anthony Davis.
What did both of those players have in common with the team they ended up on?
Because they got traded for a ton of picks, both of them, a historic amount of picks.
Both of them went to teams that were ready to win immediately.
One had LeBron James, the other had Kevin Durant.
It would have made zero sense for the Sacramento Kings
to trade all their picks and all their good players for James Hardin
because they aren't good now and with James, with nobody,
they would have been bad then.
So if you're going to trade for James Hardin or you're going to trade for Anthony Davis,
you need a team around them.
And in basketball that means one other star player or two.
There's a reason terrible teams don't usually trade for star players.
It doesn't make any sense.
So if I'm going to trade for Deshawn Watson,
And I'm the Miami Dolphins.
Or I'm, or the Miami Dolphins a second.
The New York Jets.
The New York Jets have a terrible roster.
Absolutely awful roster.
So if I trade Sam Darnold and get like a second,
I trade three ones and two- twos for Deshawn Watson,
my team is still terrible.
It just has Deshawn Watson.
Then all the assets that I would have had to get good,
I no longer have.
Now, obviously it doesn't take as much as it would cost to get Deshawn Watson to get
Khalil Mack, Jalen Ramsey, or Jamal Adams.
But think about that, Jamal Adams and Jalen Ramsey.
The last two star players traded for two ones and a two.
What do they both have in common?
One went to Seattle and one went to the Rams.
Both teams, rightful or wrong, viewed themselves as like a player away.
And both teams are in the playoffs immediately with those guys.
they were willing to mortgage the future
because they were playoff ready.
The Bears a little bit bold,
but they immediately made the playoffs with Killeo Mack
because they had a really good team around him.
And he became their best player.
But if I'm the Jets,
it doesn't make any sense to pay everything for the Sean Watson.
My team stinks.
It would basically be the exact same situation
as he was just in with the Houston Texans.
Now, if I am, let's say,
the Miami Dolphins, yes, I would be very interested.
Because my team, in theory, is equipped to win right now.
So could I trade three ones and two- twos to get Deshaun Watson?
Does that give me a chance to compete in the AFC?
Yes, I think you could justify that.
And I think it's easier than to pivot, like, yeah, we missed on Tua, but no one would care if
Deshaun Watson.
That would probably be the one team that could justify it.
There's no way, like, I would say the Colts 100% could, too.
one, I don't necessarily think Ballard would do it, but two, the Texans aren't trading them within the division.
They're not going to trade the best player they've ever had, him or obviously DeAndre, two, the Indianapolis Colts.
No chance. It doesn't make any sense.
The 49ers, for example, do have a lot of question marks.
They have a ton of free agents.
They have a ton of moving parts.
The team that went to the Super Bowl is not going to be the team that they field in 2021.
A ton of those starting players are going to be gone.
So I think the problem for the Watson situation,
even if I know they're saying they're not going to trade them,
but even if they are open to trading them,
it's hard to know what the hell is going on,
the agent, the team, I don't believe anybody.
I just know it's a complete shit show and nothing will shock me.
I think Easterbee's a clown.
I think Deshawn's agent constantly leaking stuff
is not helping anything.
I think that's clown activity.
I think it's all clown activity.
Deshawn, just stay quiet and just let the chaos happen
and then figure it out.
but they could trade them, they could keep, I don't know.
I'm open to anything.
But teams are calling, teams are going to be interested,
they're not going to trade them to the Colts.
The Dolphins should 100% be interested
because they are a team that could like compete to win the Super Bowl next year
if they got them.
Now they would have to nail some free agents
because they need some help at wide receiver
and they wouldn't have any draft picks.
The Jets don't make any sense.
If I'm the Jets, like Deshawn Watson,
so I just have Deshawn Watson, nothing else and no picks?
So what am I basically?
the Houston Texans.
It just, I don't, that doesn't add up.
It makes no sense to me.
I'd rather just trade Darnold, draft a quarterback,
use all my picks to get other players and try to build up a team.
I'm, I'm a year away from being a year away from maybe being a year away.
The Miami Dolphins go, we were a game away from the playoffs.
To me, the 49ers like, you know, we got some holes.
We got some major holes.
Now, quarterback's number one, but if we trade all of our picks,
how are we going to get good?
We're actually closer to being up against the cap
than a lot of these teams that just went six wins.
So we got some problems.
I don't think Deshaun fixed that.
The Saints have no money.
Now, they're equipped to do it.
You could say they might make some sense,
but they got some cap situation that they got to figure out.
The Bears, you know, if I'm the owner
and you're basically a one-year deal for my GM and my coach,
like I, do I really want to let them do that now?
at the end of the day, I got Deshawn Watson on my team moving forward.
Who cares?
I think they could probably talk themselves into it.
But any of these bad teams, like, no.
It doesn't make any sense for the Jets.
And I see this report like, he'd waive as no trade clause of the Jets.
So he's just going to go from one bad franchise to another?
It hasn't been no picks and no talent?
What are we doing?
So the thing with the NBA, when they trade for the equivalent of Deshaun Watson,
it happens a lot in the NFL with position players.
who typically trades their first round picks for players.
The Bills.
Stefan Diggs.
AFC championship game.
Seattle, boom.
Wins the division.
Jalen Ramsey, boom.
Rams are good.
Bears, Kalil Mack, boom, in the playoffs.
They were close, or they were already a playoff team.
Usually don't see, you know who just,
I'll just use a hypothetical here.
Who'd be a good player that could be on the move?
Let's just say like, Julio Jones.
You know who just traded for Julio Jones?
The Carolina Panthers.
You're like, what?
Why?
That doesn't make any sense.
You know who just traded a first round pick for Julio Jones?
The Jets.
We'd be like, what?
That's kind of stupid.
Right?
That doesn't quite add up to me.
What if the Eagles traded like a first round pick for a player?
You'd be like, what?
You're not a player away.
Good teams do.
Teams are drafted in the 20s.
And if I'm trading to show,
John Watson, I don't want picks in the 20s.
So I just don't see the fit.
It doesn't, to me, it doesn't,
it's a very complicated situation.
That's why I don't think we're going to get an answer anytime soon.
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Longtime listener, first time in the mailbag from Jack.
The whole narrative going around the Chiefs replacement left tackles Mike Remmers
is going to have his lunch ate by JPP and Shaq Barrett.
Combined with being on the losing end of Vaughn Miller's Super Bowl MVP
and JPP acting like he didn't know who he was in a press conference this week,
how big is the chip on his shoulder going to be coming into Sunday?
He's actually started most of the year at right tackle for Jeff,
not Jeff Schwartz, Mitchell Schwartz.
I said Jeff because I was texting with Jeff earlier.
You just said Schwartz, so I'm not, you got it right, Jack.
And played pretty well.
Love the pod, go Chiefs.
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you.
Like he's been the starting right tackle.
To me, the bigger question is Eric Fisher being out,
so you got a new left tackle.
I don't think your right tackle is as big of an issue.
And to me, there's not as much of a chip on your shoulder.
When you're a backup, when you're a rotational backup,
like the swing tackle,
it's not about a chip on your shoulder.
It's about going to execute and playing well.
You know, Tom Brady is a chip on his shoulder
because he got passed up and he's an elite player.
To me, a chip on your shoulder when you are a backup
and you get the opportunity to start,
like I don't know if that's always the right mindset.
I don't necessarily think he will.
Like, JPP's a better player than him.
No, that doesn't mean like you're in the NFL, you can block anybody.
Even if you're an average backup tackle, you don't give up a sack like every play.
You still couldn't shut anyone out.
So I don't think it's necessarily a chip.
I think it's about going out there, playing well, playing within the offense, doing what you're told, not getting Mahomes hit.
To me, the chip is more, I don't know if that works with offensive linemen.
Because it's more, I just don't think it's a position where you get to really play with the
Chip, not a tackle.
Maybe it's center or guard where you're kind of in the mud and the muck every play.
But at tackle, it's weird.
It's a very, very physical position.
But it's also like you're kind of on an island.
You're blocking these guys.
It's raining.
You got to be careful with your feet.
You don't want to slip.
It's actually a pretty cerebral position.
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Question for you.
I'm a huge lion fan and unfortunately have been my entire life.
Everyone has been trashing the Lions lately,
but I'm actually pretty happy with the moves they made.
I was hesitant about the head coach,
but then hearing they brought Aaron Glenn as the D.C.,
Lynn, who is as long as he isn't calling timeouts,
decent offensive coordinator,
they also got Duce Daly from the Eagles,
their front office, they bring in a bright guy in Holmes,
John Dorsey to help him out.
Agree, John Dorsey is nice a little higher.
Just listen to you down the trade on the Lions,
to you down the trade on the lion's side,
saying they took too late.
first rounders over a first from the Panthers. You and I both know an extra pick this year
isn't turning them around. I believe they are going to break the rest of the team down this year
and get rid of all Bob Quinn contracts and start rebuilding. What are your thoughts on this?
I would agree. They're going to get rid of everyone and they're going to bottom out.
So my point is on value. They took less value than the eighth pick. So if both those picks are
25, they did not get the same value. Now, you can turn the eighth pick into pick 21, so a team could
trade up for a quarterback. All of a sudden, you got 21 plus next year's first rounder. Like, you can
turn it into different stuff. You don't have to use the eighth pick. It's like, I can buy a home.
If I buy a home for a million dollars, but really that house is worth $2 million, I never have
to move into that home. I can sell it. And you say, John, someone has to be,
willing to trade for pick eight yeah someone has to be willing to buy my home for that much money but
if i know that i can flip it then i'm in pretty good shape now it's risky there's risk involved in
anything so i was just talking about the value but i hear you i understand they're going to try to suck
this year it's why they gave motor city dan a six-year contract it's why i think they're cool with
taking jared goff to just kind of take the bullets for them so i hear you eventually though
the lines are going to have to draft good players so all these picks you see it with the jets you
see it with the Jags, you see it with the dolphins.
Like, you've got to nail the right players.
Look at the dolphins.
They missed.
They took Tua instead of Herbert.
That's wrong.
So eventually, whatever pick you have, whether it's the fifth pick, whether it's a 20 pick,
your pick's going to be up.
And you're going to have to decide, you know, on the best five guys on the board.
You're either going to get it right or you're getting it wrong.
So eventually the Lions are just going to have to pick good players.
and then Dan Campbell is going to have to be a good coach.
Big fan of your golf picks.
Who are you liking waste management this week?
I actually bet way too much on golf.
I probably minimum bet like $100 bucks.
Sometimes I bet like $300 a week.
And every once in a while you get it right and they pay great.
Unlike football, where if I like bet the chiefs to win, right,
I bet $100, I actually have to bet $110 to win $100.
In golf, if you pick a winner,
Now it's really hard.
But I got a bunch of guys, Scotty Sheffler, Brendan Steele, J.B. Holmes, who's not good.
Bubba Watson.
Like, Bubba Watson.
I put $50 on at $40 to $1.
If you wins, I get $2,000.
Now, you're basically picking one guy against the field.
I'm telling you, I believe this to my core as someone who's gambled since I went to Indian casinos when I was in high school.
So 2001, 2002 to play blackjack.
started sports gambling in college.
So a lot of people talk about gambling, they don't actually do it.
I love to gamble.
Now, I have to be careful because, you know,
what you've been gambling a long time and you start making a little more money,
like a $100 bet doesn't do that much for me.
So like betting $100 on the Super Bowl sucks.
Like, I wouldn't do that.
I mean, I bet $1,500 in the Super Bowl when I was in 2007 when I was in college.
I'm not acting like I have a lot of money.
I mean, that was all the money I had.
But, like, I like to get a little juice out of my bet.
That's a great part about golf.
I can sprinkle, I can put $200 in my account,
sprinkle $8, $25 bets,
and if I do hit on one of them,
they pay like $1,500, $3,000, right?
Now it's very difficult to pick the guy.
For the majors is a little easier
because you can just pick a star.
And like I bet $100 on Dustin Johnson to win the Masters.
$1,000.
So that's the fun part about golf,
the highs you get over the potential wins.
Or football easier to bet,
but you basically just win your money.
And it's not like, what am I going to do, bet a thousand dollars on games?
Like, I'm not a degenerate.
But I'd say to really get my juices flowing, you know, $100 bet's not doing much for me.
So I got to get to like $500.
And all of a sudden you start betting four or five games.
You lose them all, you're out a couple grand.
That's net income.
You know, it's like, damn.
It's, we all know.
So I went Scotty Sheffler, Bubba Watson, Max Home Up, Brendan Steele, J.B. Holmes.
I think are my bets this week.
I also dabbled, like I said, a little on Rob Grimkowski to first Super Bowl, or first touchdown.
But see, that bet, I think it's 50 bucks, pay $700.
I like huge returns.
It's the way I invest in the stock market.
I would rather, if I have $10,000 and I'm going to invest in the stock market on one stock,
I would much rather bet on a cheaper stock, you know, which under 30 bucks,
knowing that if that company, because I bet in things I believe in, can double triple,
it's easier for that thing to go to the moon.
where it's like Netflix is $500 right now or whatever, $550.
Is that thing ever going to go to $1,500?
It might, but it's going to take a while
where it's easier for me to find a stock at $6,
like I have in some of my weed stocks,
and that thing all of a sudden you look up, you know,
a year later it's at $40 or $50.
Make your money go $5,6,7X.
I like taking big swings.
I'm not saying I'm not Warren Buffett here.
It's not always the right approach.
But every once in a while, like this last week,
you peek in your brokerage account,
you go, ooh!
Take big swing.
Sometimes you hit a grand slam.
Got a trade scenario for you.
Niners trade for both Julio and Matt Ryan for Debo, Jimmy,
this year's twos, or maybe next year's ones.
That could make the Niners pretty scary on offense.
Is that crazy?
Would the Niners want Julio and Matt Ryan?
Yes.
Let's look at from the Falcons angle.
Let's say they draft a quarterback,
and they want a redshirt him.
Jimmy gives them a bridge
Don't hate that
Debo
Good young player
A little bit of a red flag
Gets hurt in college
Hurting the pros
Debo's a stud when healthy
Gets hurt a lot
But he got a little value
Okay
This year's two
You know
They're two's relatively high
That's probably not enough
For Matt Ryan
I would say
This year's two and next year's one
That's probably what it would cost
So you get Matt Ryan
You get Julio
The money also doesn't work
so this is like a kind of a fake trade.
You might be on to something,
but the problem, those two guys make a ton of money.
And the Niners don't have much cab space.
Jets fan.
I assume you have NFL context.
What do you think the Jets will do in the offseason?
Whether it's keeping Darnold and trading down
or drafting a quarterback and building around
or even trading for Deshawn and speeding the rebuild.
I know they've been a dumpster fire lately,
but Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, Michael LeFleur
make me really optimistic.
I would agree, as you should be.
What the move probably is, trade Sam Darnold, let's say for a second,
draft a quarterback in the top three,
take another sweet position player with your other first round pick,
and use the second round picks and just start building.
Just start building, brick by brick,
and just build that mother up with a young quarterback
and get going from there.
Or you can just use the third pick, trade it to another team,
give Sam Darnold another year,
use all these picks you get for maybe trading back five or six spots.
You have multiple first round picks in the next couple years
and just build the thing around Sam.
You could try that out too.
Sam might be good in Michael Flores' offense.
The best part about the Jets, they got some options
because the bar is so low.
That's the thing with the dolphins.
They're viewing the playoffs next year.
So their margin for error on what they do with Tua and the pick is much higher
because they're way better than you guys.
Were you guys like, if next year you went seven wins
and had all these good young players,
you'd feel pretty good about it.
I got the nobody cares work harder,
and I Instagrammed it,
and everyone keeps asking me,
where'd you get that sweatshirt from?
I don't know, this little place they call Amazon.com.
They used to have this CEO named Jeff Bezos,
then he just stepped down.
They sell everything.
So if I, my nobody cares work harder,
I got it from Amazon for like $21.
My question to you is in regard to the Texans and Deshaun.
Say they come to the realization,
it's time to move on.
all this is a proverbial list of preference for Watson is bullshit
wouldn't you say short of Teper or Gruden offering something ungodly like five firsts
it really simply comes down to does Deshaun want to play for the Jets or not because that's the only package they'll entertain
with Miami coming in the ballpark of them in regard to trade compensation but less likely
because they today seem to be committed to it like I said
Gruden could, and there was a report out earlier this week,
and I talked about it on my YouTube channel, John Middlkoff, just go.
The guy that wrote that report,
I've been following the Raiders and been associated with them now.
I used to work on a radio station that had the Raiders,
you know, five, six years ago in the Bay.
And that guy, that guy wrote that report because the Raiders are thinking it.
He basically is the equivalent of working for the Raiders.
Anything he writes is coming from the Raiders.
So that report means the Raiders are thinking about trading for Deshawn Watson.
So Gruden, I would take Gruden's four first rounders.
Now, like I said, I would not do that deal if I'm the Raiders.
Wouldn't I just use first rounders on getting defensive help?
My offense is good.
Derek Carr played well.
That doesn't make any sense.
And Dave Tepper, like, you ain't a player away.
Like, if they would have got Matt Stafford, I don't think Panthers wouldn't have been any good.
So the Jets don't make any sense.
He's basically just going from the Texans to the Jets.
he's basically just going from the number four media market
to the number one media market.
Same team, awful.
No picks.
It doesn't add up.
The dolphins are the one team that I would entertain
because they got picks
and they could justify their player away.
But the Raiders?
The Raiders are thinking about it
because what he writes comes from the Raiders.
He just writes what they think.
So John Gruden, which doesn't shock us, right?
I mean, John Gruden, of course he's thinking about doing this.
Even though it's kind of stupid.
but I would just roll with Derek.
Huge Cowboy fan.
Should the Cowboys pull the trigger and signed DAC to a long-term contract
or be concerned based on the outcome of the other contracts from his draft class,
Goff and Wentz?
How does this happen with those contracts affect other organizations' willingness to pay their quarterback?
Or does it?
That's a good question.
I would say probably not.
Because if you have a good quarterback, like Patrick Mahomes, you don't hesitate.
I think Josh Allen is going to get a huge extension.
but I think Josh Allen is a good example.
Is Josh Mahomes, we just know now as a star.
He's elite.
Is Josh Allen going to be elite every year?
Or is it just a one-year thing?
Is he going to be that good next year?
I don't know.
It's a hell of a question.
I don't think any of us know, right?
It's a million-dollar question.
Like Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson,
you know those guys are stars.
Goff and Wentz, we thought were,
and they've been a disaster.
One guy got bentz, the other guy got traded.
The other guy might get traded too.
I'd say Dak Prescott is a more consistent,
human being than Carson Wentz. People love him, right? More talented than Jared Gophe. He's a better
athlete. But like those guys, Carson just became a bad player. Gop's limited talent-wise,
Dak is never going to be Aaron Rogers. He's never going to be Russell Wilson. He's never
going to be Patrick Mahomes. He doesn't have Josh Allen's talent. So you're basically paying
to get him to sign a long-term extension. It would cost, you know, 130, let's even just say on the
cheap side, $150 million. You're paying. You're paying. You're paying. You're paying. You're
a premium for a guy that's a B.
And Dax's good.
Like if the team was good, you can win with Dack.
But once he starts making $35 to $30 to $35 million or whatever and all that guaranteed money,
you're tough.
Like, how do you add other players?
I'm in a tough spot on Dack, me personally, because I'm a fan of his game,
but I think he's more like a $23 million quarterback.
Part of what makes Derek Car so valuable, he makes $20 million.
If Jimmy Garoplo had just played like he did in 2019, again in 2020,
He'd be like one of the best deals in sports.
The problem is he gets hurt.
When you make 20 million and you're like a top 12 quarterback,
you're in great shape.
When you're like the ninth quarterback and you make 33 million,
we got problems.
Aaron Rogers makes 35 million.
He's elite.
Same with Russell Wilson.
Elite.
Same with Mahomes.
Elite.
Hell, Brady was one of the best quarterbacks in the league this year
made 25.
How much you make really, especially with the cap,
you know, reports are,
I've been saying it the whole time,
it was never going to be $175 million.
Reports are it's going to be between $185 and $195.
But if I pay a guy $35 million, you do the math.
That's what?
Like 18%.
Well, if you're 18% of my cap and you're an elite player, no issue.
If you're just kind of average,
the other thing with Dak is he is coming off a major injury.
So is he going to be healthy right off the bat?
Is it going to take him eight games to get going?
Like there is some risk involved with just his health.
Now the Cowboys know,
because of the doctors and stuff, but still.
Been listening to the show for close to a year now.
Appreciate it. Big Saints fan.
Do you think they go after someone other than James or Tason?
Tassum? Do you think they need to?
Well, if Derek Carr's available, they should be all over Derek Carr.
If Carson Wentz is available, they should be all over Carson Wentz.
If, to me, the Saints or the Falcons would never trade them, Matt Ryan.
Kirk Cousins, I would just rather have James.
but I think Derek Carr
and I think that
and Carson Wentz
they should be sniffing around
that they should be sniffing around
I do think if you just rolled back with
James and Tase him you could make the playoffs though
and I think
if James is smart he just signs
like a one-year deal
you know maybe like 10 to 15 million
dollars once Drew Breeze
retires and just tries to resurrect
his value
if they're not able to get one of those guys
So, you know, a one-year starter deal, 15 million, 10 million, whatever.
If you have a good year and they're good and you lead them to the playoffs,
maybe you win a playoff game, all of a sudden, Sean's going to want you.
Then you're worth $25, $30 million.
But you've got to prove it.
And I think James is in a good spot that he goes,
these guys believe in me, the team's good, I can prove it here.
That to me is a fallback plan.
But you've got to know before free agency because there are other teams that are so desperate for quarterbacks
that Washington, Chicago, who knows?
like, I do think people are going to want James,
which is crazy to say.
Big fan of the pods.
NFC West seems to land a lot of high-profile guys through trades.
Hopkins, Ramsey's, Adams, now Stafford,
none of which went to the Niners.
Got me thinking, how funny would it be
if Seattle traded Russ for Watson straight up?
Niners fans would go nuts.
Then I really started thinking about it.
Would that be a sweet deal for Bulls?
both teams, Seattle gets an MVP-caliable quarterback who's younger and under contract that might
be the only way Houston can unload Watson and save face. Watson gets out, gets to play with
D.K. and Lockett under a player's coach like Carroll. Only snag would be Russ had a no trade clause.
I don't know if he has a no trade clause or not, but here's what I do know. If I was Russell,
if I was Russell Wilson's agent,
if I was Russell Wilson's friend,
if I was anyone associated with Russell Wilson,
the moment I got wind of that trade,
I would say, no fucking way.
I refuse to play for the Houston Texans.
And I think a lot of people would support Russell Wilson.
They'd be like, wait, you're trading him to Texans?
After he, let's face it,
now L.O.B., Sherman, Earl,
those guys were a big part of it too.
But Russell has helped shape the relevancy of a franchise.
in Seattle. He has made them
box office and sustained their run.
You can't trade them to Texans.
To me, just look at what the Lions did.
If you were going to trade them, which they're not,
you have to work with them.
Under no circumstances,
could Seattle trade them to the Texans and get away with it?
Because I think he'd refuse to show up.
And honestly, I'd support him on that.
That would be bullshit.
Now, I'm with you.
That'd be a pretty sweet move for Seattle.
Like, extend their window, get a younger quarterback.
You're right. Houston would save face.
Why would Russell Wilson want to go work with Dave Cully and Nick Casario?
I just don't see it.
Do you think Zach Taylor is a quality NFL coach?
Being a Bengals fan, it's been incredibly frustrating to see us lose those one-score games consistently.
If he has another losing season, do you think he'll get another shot in 2022?
Yeah, that's a hell of a question.
You know, I'd be lying if I said I watched that much Bengal football.
Their roster stinks.
They don't have many good players.
But whenever I followed Pac-Man Jones on Instagram after games,
and he's pretty funny.
Like, he goes on these, just rants on these stories and Instagrams,
talking an unbelievable amount of shit about the Bengals,
but about Zach Taylor and the coaching staff.
And I think he's probably right.
But let's say, instead of winning two or three games,
would they have won six or seven with a good coach?
Maybe. Is Zach Taylor a really good coach?
Probably not.
If I wanted to defend Zach Taylor,
he'd be like his team's terrible.
His offensive line is atrocious.
His defensive talent's not very good.
His wide receiver, A.J. Green got hurt last year.
This year, I mean, they don't have that much to work with.
Now, Joe Mixon's good.
T. Higgins is pretty good.
Burrell was really good until he got hurt.
I would say, I would lean.
History would show us Zach Taylor's probably just a guy.
Here's your problem, though.
And listen, I'm not trying to talk shit about your franchise,
but I think even you'll acknowledge this.
People are not going to want to go to the Bengals.
They don't pay that much.
They're just, like, when they hit a home run of Marvin Lewis, like, they kind of got lucky.
Look who, you know, they don't typically get Marvin Lewis's.
That franchise most of my life has been pretty embarrassing.
They're more likely to get Zach Taylors and Freddie Kitchens and those types than Marvin Lewis.
So is it possible to win there?
Maybe not, right?
It takes a pretty special guy.
They landed Carson Palmer.
The best thing you have going for you is Joe Burrell.
That guy looks like he's got, worst case, he's like Tony Romo.
the problem is he got a major injury.
Now, you probably see more of them than I do,
but whenever I see him on these zooms and doing these interviews,
it seems like he's in great spirits.
So he doesn't seem like a guy that's worried about
not being able to come back, which is good.
If Joe Burrow is great this year,
even if that leads to Zach Taylor getting fired,
maybe I'm going to change my own point.
Maybe that job is a lot more enticing.
But is Mike Brown going to pay $8, 9 million to get a top offensive coach?
Because if I was a good offensive coach,
maybe Eric Bianamy in a year
goes to coach Joe Burrow there
because if Joe Burroughs good, the job's good.
Once Carson Palmer,
never text me back by the way,
but in fairness I hadn't text him forever
and like I text them asking for something
probably my bad.
Busy week too.
But if Joe Burroughs good, the job's not terrible.
But yeah, is he good coach?
I would lean no.
But I'm also not watching every snap.
But their team is pretty undisciplined
and not very good.
Big fan of the pod been listening.
I'm a live.
lifelong Seattle Seahawks fan.
And it seems to me that they're wasting
Russell Wilson's career.
Trading two picks for a DB who can't cover
enforcing an antiquated run
first offense
on him has brought the ceiling to the team
down in my eyes.
What do you think they can do to get back to legitimate contenders?
I'm pretty sure they just hired
multiple coaches but their offensive coordinator
from the ramps.
I think you guys look at a run first scheme
as a bad thing.
like ideally you got my homes and you can just chuck it around the yard
to me there is like back to back NFC West teams went to the Super Bowl right
the Rams and then the Niners do you know what both teams were
run for schemes
now they're running games were both
the Niners were the number one rushing team I think in the league in 19
there is nothing wrong with running the ball
you can't just throw go routes to decay every play
or throw those like crossing routes you know to lock it to get them wide open
on the play action.
Nothing wrong with running the ball.
I think Pete Carroll has a hard-on
because, in fairness,
he has seen the Rams and the 49ers,
the last couple years.
Really, the Rams have been good for four years.
The Niners have been competitive now with him for a couple years.
The Niners actually beat him the year they got Nick Bosa in December.
I think he sees that running scheme,
and that's what he wants to do.
That's what he wants.
The Shanahan run game.
and I don't mean Mike.
What the Packers did with Aaron Rogers,
what they did with Jared Gough,
what they did with Jimmy Garoppolo,
what they did with Ryan Tanny Hill,
and it takes pressure off.
You know when you do that?
Aaron Rogers was in a run-based scheme this year.
He threw 48 touchdowns.
You can meld the two together.
I actually think Russell,
if they embrace this scheme,
the Shanahan offense,
honestly, we might look up in two years
and every single person is running this offense.
I don't hate it.
I think they could be, I don't know anything about this coach.
I don't have to Google his name.
But the Rams guys, pretty clear what they're going to implement.
That could be pretty nasty with Russell.
And you guys have already, you guys always kind of did some of that zone running scheme,
especially with Tom Cable.
I think you guys make too big of the, like you guys are having successful with Russell.
Like, it's working.
You guys win every year.
You go to the playoffs every year.
It works.
You want a playoff last year.
Obviously you got beat this year, but you hosted a playoff game.
Like, you're, you're, you're a, you're, you're a,
franchise is very successful.
Unless your name's Brady or Mahomes, like, you don't really go to Super Bowl.
Any chance you could do a take on Reed's win at Farmers Insurance?
Interested to hear what you make of the whole embedded ball thing.
Thanks, man. Keep it up.
I text with a player on the PGA tour, and he thought Patrick Reed didn't break any rules.
He said I would have done this. He played in the tournament. He said he did the same thing.
the rule in golf, if your ball is embedded,
means like, obviously if it's soggy and breaks ground,
you can drop it. Now, if me and you are just playing for 20 bucks,
we never do that, we just hit it.
But on the PGA tour, they use a T, they mark it, and they check.
Now, he gets a bad rap because no one believes him,
and everyone thinks he's a cheater.
But the tour player told me, who literally was at Torrey Pines,
and said the place was wet and soggy and everyone was doing it,
I would have done the same thing.
Now, because it's Patrick Reed, everyone thinks he's a cheater.
Something went viral this week because of the Phoenix Open.
Tiger Woods' first year on PJ Tour in 1997,
there was a big rock, and he hit the rock, and he was right behind it.
He got the crowd, and they all moved the rock,
because it was like a non, there's a specific term for it.
Like, it was a removable object.
You could move it.
If Patrick Reed had done the same thing,
people would claim he was like Bernie Madoff.
So, listen, does he push the envelope?
Yes.
Did he cheat there?
It felt a little crazy.
He did ask his playing partners.
I think the hard part with golf, unlike football,
is like in football, for example, I'm just playing the other team.
So anything that is my benefit impacts just me versus that team.
In golf, whenever I pushed the envelope,
in Patrick Reed was in the lead,
it doesn't just influence the guy I'm playing with.
It influences the entire field.
you are playing the field.
That's why betting on golf, like I said, is so hard.
You bet on one guy, even like a heavy favor,
like Dustin Johnson and the Masters.
He's still got to beat 162 guys
or 150, whatever the amount of people
they let into the field.
In football, it's just me versus the other guy.
So his playing partners might have been cool with it,
but all these other guys that weren't playing with them
might not be.
We're in football, like, if you get a bad pass interference on you,
right, in a game,
if I'm Seattle and I get a bad,
bad PI call and I'm playing the Browns.
The Niners don't give a shit that week, right?
The Rams don't care.
The Eagles aren't even paying attention.
We're in golf, everyone's paying attention.
It's what makes the sport kind of unique.
Did he push the envelope a little?
Yeah.
He did ask his playing partners.
They said cool.
He marked it.
He picked it up fast.
A little sketchy.
But as I was told from someone that was there really wet.
And it was happening all over the place.
Have a question for you.
You said the first round picks that the Lions got are less valuable than the first round picks from this year.
But if you're the Lions and you're going to tank for a couple years,
maybe they prefer to have future assets so they can build a good team,
and then with those future assets, they can get a cheap young quarterback.
Yeah, I mean, I've come to grips and I've admitted that for sure.
My point more is that if the Rams are really good,
and good question, Antonio, I think it's fair to say that the Rams are easily one of the
favorites. Maybe I'm higher on Stafford than some of you guys listening and some of people in the
league that are the favorite, one of the favorites, the Green Bay, Tampa, right, depending on who
the Saints get at quarterback, in the NFC. And let's say they're in the NFC championship game.
So they're in the NFC championship game, even if they lose it, they're picks 29 or 30.
So you trade Matt Stafford and next year you get picked 29. Then let's say next year they get
beaten the first round. So you get picked 21 and 29 for Matt Stafford. And you get Jared
Gough who's just not that good.
That's where I struggle with.
So yeah, you're trying to suck, but then those picks aren't really that great.
Like Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, net probably better picks than those.
But those guys are position players, whatever.
I'm trading a quarterback to a team that was so desperate for their quarterback
and desperate to get rid of Jared Gop.
That's where, you know.
And here, listen, I can have a take, you can have a take at whatever the time of the
trade is.
And that's going to be natural.
right a transaction happens it doesn't even need to be a trade i sell you a desk a house a car whatever
the day i trade it one of us probably thinking god i got that for uh i got that for cheap
god i just swindled that dude well what if then a year later or two years later that house you
sold me for 500 grand that you thought was a dump i flip for 1.2 market goes up make some improvements
I actually won.
What if in a couple years we look back,
they draft a sweet quarterback because they sucked,
they use some of those picks to either trade up or trade down
and land a bunch of sweet players.
And the Rams don't win.
That's always possible.
We don't know the end result, right?
That to me, we have our opinions.
But a huge, the only way humanly possible to judge a trade
is what does the player do that you trade for
actually do.
Jalen Ramsey stays elite and he's awesome.
He helps the Rams win.
Well, what do the Jags then use those picks on?
Well, in a couple years we'll be like,
well, they drafted the defensive end from LSU
and this year they used it on Jalen Waddle.
And in three years, those guys have both made Pro Bowls.
Fucking win for the Jags.
And Jalen Ramsey was all pro for the Rams all those years.
It was a win-win, right?
But you look at the Raiders, you go, you trade a Kalil-Mack.
He helped the Bears make the playoffs.
then you got all these picks
and your team continue to suck on defense
you never made the playoffs.
So, you know, it's definitely not a win-win.
It's not a lose-lose because the Bears
got a good player.
If anything, it's a slight win for the Bears
lost for the Raiders.
But it took time for us to see who they drafted,
what the results of the team are,
how that player does, how the team does.
You know, in fairness, and listen,
I talk for a living and I got to react to the trade
and just like as fans, we all react.
Basically, it's all I am right now.
fan of the league that gives his opinion.
But until we see the evidence,
you don't know.
We'll see.
Time will tell.
Because historically, the Lions,
like, are they going to draft good players?
Because if they don't,
no matter what they would have gotten,
it's a loss.
If they draft three Pro Bowl players
and get a star quarterback
and Dan Campbell's good,
that trade was a heist for them.
Same with the Jets,
getting rid of Jamal for two ones and a two.
Everyone's like,
Oh, Joe Douglas, and I like Joe Douglas.
Never met him.
Email them once.
Try to have him on the show.
And then Adam Gase thing got weird,
and hopefully he can get him on again.
But not again because he never come on, but just once.
If Joe Douglas doesn't hit on either one of those first round picks that he got for Jamal Adams,
it's a disaster.
Because Jamal is good for Seattle.
If he gets a pro bowler and a sweet starter out of those two first rounders,
at worst it's like, okay, it's a wash.
He better hit on that.
those, there is pressure to hit on those picks.
Because Jamal is good, right?
It worked, he's the best player for Seattle on defense when healthy.
But, like, is he going to stay healthy?
I don't know.
Is he, like, can he not cover?
Is he just going to be terrible at coverage?
Maybe, forever.
Probably.
Like, you usually don't get better at covering people as you get older in the NFL.
So it's just, we do, you know, if I want to be, like, old school journalist, like,
time needs a play out.
Have a good week.
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