The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Titans Over Bills MNF Reaction, Cowboys/Pats + Week 6 Recap, Off Goff, Post-Gruden Raiders Rally, Mailbag
Episode Date: October 19, 2021John reacts to the Titans winning a nail biter over the Bills, and attempts to put Derrick Henry's dominance into words. He also recaps the incredible Cowboys walk off OT win over the Pats and recaps ...the top stories from Week 6. Then he looks at Lions HC Dan Campbell is already done with Jared Goff, how the Raiders were able to rally after the shocking Jon Gruden scandal and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag.Make sure you follow John and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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We're going to dive into that off the top.
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There's so many things I want to get into
with the football game.
Let's start with the last play.
What did Herm Edwards once famously say
you play to win the game?
Listen, I think sometimes the amount of people going for it around the league with average quarterbacks and shitty offenses drives me nuts.
Kick field goals in certain situations.
But when you have a top five quarterback in the league, and that's what Josh Allen is right now,
you have easily one of the best offensive coordinators in Brian Daibald.
You put the pedal to the medal and you go for the kill shot.
and Sean McDermott, Josh Allen, Brian Daibald.
It did not work, but I love the decision.
You go for the win.
You play to win the game, as Herm would say.
I think he's still saying it down at Arizona State.
Might need to say it a little louder after they just got boat race by Utah.
But listen, it doesn't always work out, but that was the right call.
That's what you do.
You have a championship level mindset.
You're trying to get over the hump.
You're trying to win the AFC.
a team like the Tennessee Titans, you're going to see potentially again.
So, you know, those are the type teams you play in January.
You don't play to tie and go to overtime.
And Vrable's done that a couple times.
He's kick field goals, late in games, and he's won an overtime game, and he lost another one.
That's what you do when you have the jimmies and the Joe's.
And listen, in that play, fourth and one, you just run it up the gut.
I like the play call.
It just didn't work.
He slipped.
You know, Simmons got penetration up the middle.
But I applaud Sean McDermott, who a defensive coach, you know, typically defensive coaches sometimes can be more conservative,
i.e. Rable in that situation.
But I like Sean McDermott's understanding, coming into his own as really a big time head coach.
He's got a great team, you know, road game, you go for the kill shot.
And my favorite position, I remember hearing this.
from Keith Williams, who's now on the Baltimore Ravens staff.
One of the best position coaches I've ever been around,
best wide receiver coach I've ever been around.
He's Devante Adams guy,
trains Tyree Kill in the offseason,
now working with all the Ravens guys.
I think we had a bunch of wide receivers.
A couple of them played in the NFL,
and Ryan Matthews was on our team at the time,
and he was one of the best running backs in the country.
I remember Keith saying,
this guy loves wide receivers more than any human alive.
More than Jerry Rice, more than my...
this guy eats, breeze, and sleeves, wide receivers.
Sleeps, wide receivers.
And he's like, my favorite position is running backs.
He's like, it's easily, it encompasses the most, right?
You got to run inside, you got to run outside.
You have to block and you have to catch.
So you have to be tough.
You have to be physical.
You have to be skilled.
You have to be just, you got to be the total package.
It's really like, it's like being a star middle linebacker.
There's nothing you can't do to be that good.
And listen, you know, probably the best running back of my adult life is Lidane and Tomlinson.
I vividly remember Barry Sanders, but his teams were so bad.
Emmett was really good, but I would say Barry and L.T. were better.
Walter Payton, I've just seen clips as before my time.
Jim Brown kind of is like Babe Ruthian when it comes to football, obviously way before I was born.
But what we're seeing out of Derek Henry is just this is an all-time great player.
It's just unlike, especially in this modern day,
when all the analytical elites try to shit on running backs
and say they have no value,
Derek Henry is changing the game.
What's he on pace for?
Probably another 2,000 yards.
And he's unstoppable.
And the thing that makes a great running back,
whether it's 1975 or 2021 on Monday night football,
when every single human being 70,000 people,
both coaching staffs and every player on,
defense knows who's getting the ball.
We are going to give the ball to Derek Henry.
And there is nothing you can do.
And you know the best part about running in a zone scheme?
You know, like a musician, a painter, anyone that's creative,
there's an element of just artistry, right?
You get to be, just do your own thing.
It's kind of instincts of whatever your craft is.
and when you run in a power scheme,
and that's typically like when you pull the guards,
when you lead up with a full back,
the hole is designated.
It's either behind the guard, behind the tackle,
in a zone scheme,
what Derek Henry has thrived in,
it's really kind of just,
Derek, you pick the hole,
you pick the lane and just let it rip.
You can cut back,
you can go back through the center,
you can go back through the guard,
you can go outside the tackle,
wherever you see a little daylight,
you feel it out.
Like, is there really much coaching
what Derek Henry is doing?
And I said this a while back
when he had the sweet run against Seattle.
What makes Derek Henry so special
is not that he's one of the biggest human beings
we've ever seen at the position.
It's his size, when you see a guy as big as him
and I went to Titans practice two or three years ago
when I was in Nashville and went to OTAs
and he is massive.
but what makes him so great
is he's got incredible feet
he has incredible instincts through the hole
his ability to set defenders up
his spatial awareness
is incredible
and then his top end speed
because top end speed for running backs
is overrated
it is not a necessary attribute
to be a great running back
but when you have it
with all the other skills he possesses
you're unstoppable
and you saw it
night, his patience, then his instincts, his feet, and then his top end speed, he's an
unstoppable force. And like I said, every single human in the stadium, on the field, and sitting
on their couches, watching that game goes, Derek Henry's getting this ball. And every single
time, he ends up scoring and he ends up producing. It's, I've never seen anything quite like it.
I have nothing but he's, I mean, running back is my favorite position because of the way
once upon a time, my guy Keith described it. And I've always thought,
about that since. I have so much respect. It is so hard. You're getting hit on every play. The violence
that position encompasses for a skill position like wide receivers. You know, it's not the same. And when we see
AJ Brown and Stefan Dix, how talented these guys are, but their bodies, you know, they're not taking
the constant pounding. And Derek Henry is just everyone, like by this year, everyone knows just getting
the ball in every single game, 150, 180, 1 30, 190. It's like this, how does he do it?
and it's cool to be a witness of this all-time great player,
which let's face it, when he was coming out,
I don't think most of us ever thought this guy would be this good,
and then his career took a little while to get going.
Then Arthur Smith, and I got to give Todd Downing, he's doing a good job.
Now, if you call offense for the Titans, it's a pretty easy strategy.
Hand it to 22, throw it to 2, throw it to 11.
Hand it to 22, hand it to 22, throw it to 11.
I mean, it's just, I might be able to function as the offensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans.
And then listen, we have given Mahomes so much credit and he's earned every bit of it.
We call him like the modern day far.
And he is one of the most remarkable athletes.
I'd say if you're listening to this, you probably agree most of us have ever seen.
He is a very, very fun player to watch.
And we basically said like, this guy's going to be an all-time great player.
And he's headed that way.
And I mean, he already is.
But like Josh Allen, he has a very similar game.
Like to me, that play he made on third down that,
when he dove for the first down,
like that was Farvian.
He made a throw earlier in the game
rolling to his right,
like Mahomes and like Farv.
They are so physically gifted
that they make impossible things look easy.
He rolled out at the 40-yard line
and he threw a ball to Cole Beasley
who was like five or six yards back in the end zone.
So that's 45 yards.
He threw the ball on a rope.
And it got there in like,
two seconds. Now most players, even guys like good players, like Cousins is playing well, Dax playing
well, like I don't know if they could do that that easily. They'd have to probably set their feet,
stop and throw it. Mahomes could do that. Herbert could do that, but it's on a short list of guys
that could do that and make it look so easy. And then you see just, I don't want to say reckless,
but how quick he is to do whatever it takes to get the extra yard, it's easy to see why
he's a star quarterback.
And he's a guy, and I saw Colin tweet this out.
It's pretty nuts that this guy ended up at Wyoming.
And I texted with a guy that's a recruiting coordinator for a Power 5 school.
And he's like, I don't think people realize he grew a lot in junior college.
When he was coming out of high school, he was 6'1.
Look at him now.
He looks like 6'5.
So he grew in junior college.
The other thing, when he was at JC, he was like 48% completion percentage.
So he was a very, very inaccurate thrower.
his growth and improvement as a player might be unprecedented.
He went from the biggest project in NFL history to becoming an absolute superstar player.
And you know the cool part about the NFL?
Two best players on the field tonight, Josh Allen, Derek Henry.
One guy goes to Alabama in the peak of their powers, wins the Heisman Trophy, helps win a national championship.
The other guy is from a town you've never heard of, has to go to Bakersfield Junior College,
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And they're both superstars now.
They're both max players and two,
I mean, Henry is the best running back.
Josh is the top five quarterback.
But it just shows you.
It's, you know, one guy starts here,
the other guy starts there.
It's this great mix of all these players
that come from different places.
Right?
And you just think about that game.
That game was awesome.
And the reason that game was awesome
is because the sweet players digs,
Allen, A.J. Brown,
Tanny Hill, Julio Jones before he got hurt.
Eric Henry. They're all making plays. That felt like the pro bowlers in that game were bringing it.
And Nashville was bringing it. That was awesome. That was fun. That is the NFL.
You know, and this was a rough week. There were a lot of blowouts over the weekend.
Because of buys, there weren't as many games. It wasn't a great Sunday. Let's be real.
But that game felt like it made up for everything in, you know, 60-minute ball game.
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And I watched the full game.
and pieces on the red zone on Sunday, but watched it Monday morning.
And a couple massive takeaways.
Let's start with the Patriots.
One, for 20 years.
Let me repeat.
For 20 years, they win that game.
Zero questions asked, period, point blank.
Brady, Belichick, they win the game.
And a lot of people, I think, are questioning like, what is going on with the Patriots?
I don't think they're that different.
But the drop off, Mack Jones has been fine.
He's a solid rookie quarterback.
But the difference between him and Tom Brady is wide.
Of course it is.
Tom's the goat.
And Mack Jones is in his fifth or sixth start of his career.
There was a play on third down and overtime when I think they have a back shoulder play called,
not quite sure, and Mack just overthrows it.
Or they're just him and the wide receiver are not on the same page.
And they have to punt.
And obviously the Cowboys Drive, C.D. Lam walks it off.
That doesn't happen if Tom's there.
They complete that ball.
they're probably not even in overtime.
The Patriots margin for error is now zero when it used to be pretty wide because of Tom,
just like Tampa, who is clearly much more talented than this Patriot team.
But when you insert Tom as your quarterback, your margin for error is massive.
Because Belichick is still coaching his ass off.
At home, they're going toe to toe with a rookie quarterback against Dallas and against Tampa.
Pretty sure those two teams are combined 10 and 2.
and Bill's right there, right? Walk off.
I guess he misses the field goal against Tampa,
and then he loses an overtime to Dallas.
Like he's, like he can't do much better.
Now, they're a little sloppier than I would say the Brady days, right?
They get a blocked punt.
You know, Gilmore's not there, so their coverage isn't as great.
But this is, they're just a normal NFL team.
Forever, they were the greatest dynasty we ever saw, right?
They didn't always win the Super Bowl,
though they won six and they went to nine,
but they won that game.
And now they lose that game.
You know who else loses that game?
The majority of NFL teams, right?
You can go 11 or 12 win team and lose that type game.
Right?
They just don't have the horses.
And he tried to buy them all offseason,
which is something he never did.
He never, ever operated like that.
Everyone, you know, was always buying free agents.
He pivoted.
Really, I can think of one free agent
that he paid top dollar for,
and it worked in Gilmore.
And then, of course, he punts, right?
He trades him as he's in a contract year.
But the Patriots are now humans.
They're normal.
And Belichick's still a really good coach.
Everyone's like, what about Josh McDaniels?
He's dealing with a rookie quarterback.
I mean, his best wide receiver is Kendrick Bourne.
Who actually I like.
I watched for years with the Niders.
He's a good player.
Pretty incredible that Eastern Washington and FCS team
had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Cup on the same offense.
Like those guys dominate.
That's why they were always in the playoffs
and make a deep runs trying to win national championship.
championships. But the Patriots aren't quite as buttoned up, a walkoff touchdown, but they have
Jalen Mills guarding C.D. Lamb. What do you think is going to happen? Right? His, you know, normally,
that would probably be Gilmore in years past. Now they're just kind of downgrading. But the punt block is like,
you know, that doesn't quite feel like the Patriots. Now, is Bill, because several times yesterday,
he's punting the ball on, and listen, you know, the whole, the, all the rage in the NFL,
is to go for it on any fourth down.
I don't even know why some teams have punters and kickers anymore
because they hate kicking field goals and they hate punting.
But there is a time in a place to punt,
to especially when your defense is playing well
or to kick field goals when you have a questionable offense.
I understand going for it on short yardage.
If you, one, have a really good offensive coordinator
or two have like a top 10 quarterback at a really good offense,
I see a lot of teams doing this that have, you know,
fucking no business going for some of these.
place. Like, just take the points. Take a deep breath. Right. But that's not the way they're operating.
For whatever reason, Belichick is going pretty conservative right now and kicking. And I think that goes
back to his quarterback. And he doesn't trust their offense to execute on some of these short, you know,
yardage situations. Well, if you had Tom Freaking Brady, they would be going for it a lot more. And honestly,
they probably wouldn't be in those positions because in three downs, they typically get 10 yards and
they keep the sticks moving. And I think on the flip side, like, let's face it, Dallas right now,
might have had one of the sweetest, for a team not drafting like top 10, right?
Because when you draft top 10, you also draft top 10 in the second round.
So if you're like, I had a sweet draft.
Well, you draft 6th and 37th.
Like I hope you hit on some picks.
But Dallas had the 17th pick.
Yeah, the 17th pick.
And then I think Diggs was like 51.
So these were not like no-brainers.
C.D. Lamb kind of was because he fell to their laps.
I think a lot of us thought he was going to go like top 10, top 12.
and then when the Raiders took rugs
and then the Denver Broncos took Judy
he fell right to him and a lot of people were like
take a DB, take a DB.
Well they got the best of both worlds.
They took the best guy on the board
and then it looks like they got Dion Sanders 2.0.
Those two guys are elite players immediately.
Like watching that game,
it is stupid how good C.D. Land is.
You could, like Justin Jefferson
statistically is a better player
and I think, you know, his body of work
through two years.
but he's getting to operate like a number one wide receiver
where CD Lamb, Gallops hurt right now,
but last year had to deal with, you know,
targets splitting with him and obviously Amari Cooper,
who's kind of their one, but like CD.
Lam's probably better than Amari.
And Amari's damn good.
Like Amari makes $20 million a year.
You know, what I like to pay him?
Like 16, yeah, but, you know, it's part of the deal, right?
Those two guys have changed the Cowboys.
I mean, change the Cowboys.
Their offense right now, Zeeke's clearly better.
Pollard's an excellent backup.
Amari's a baller.
This Wilson kid, I don't know much about him,
but he makes plays every game I watch.
Jarwin's good.
Obviously, Dax's a stud,
and C.D. Lamb is turning into a star by the week.
He was unguardedable in that game.
And then the plays Diggs makes every game.
I mean, they have six straight interceptions, right,
and have seven total.
And the pick six yesterday,
his ball skills,
I mean, we've been talking about him now
for a couple weeks.
It's just remarkable.
The Patriots, that game for 20 years,
but definitely like the last 10,
Jason Garrett, the Cowboys lose,
and the Patriots win.
And it flip-flopped.
Like, that's how the Patriots would have won that game.
But instead, the Cowboys now win that game.
And you start going, well, are the Cowboys,
the NFC East is over.
Like, they're the NFC champs.
Right, there's a hat and T-shirt game.
Coaches always say that.
You can just give them their hats and T-shirts like next week.
I don't even know who they play next,
but like whenever they win next,
just give them the hat and the T-shirt.
Because the Giants, the football team,
The birds, like the division's over.
Now the question is, where are the Cowboys going to be seated?
Can they get the one seat?
Obviously, you know, Tampa beat them straight up, but who knows?
Right.
Could the Cowboys get to, I know Dak has a little calf injury now,
but could they win 15 games?
Probably not, but 14 and 3, I think is pretty realistic.
I mean, that team, they're good.
They're really, really good.
And they are, they're a powerhouse, you know.
They have the difference of the Patriots and the Cowboys,
like I said, Patriots have no margin for error.
Cowboys have a ton.
Because they have so many playmakers on offense.
So even if they get down a couple touchdowns, no big deal.
Patriots get down a couple touchdowns, it's over.
It's like playing an option offense in college.
You know, like Army or Navy, whenever they're playing a team,
and you look at the score on the ticker,
and it's like 17 to 3.
You're like, oh, they're screwed.
They can't throw.
Right?
The Patriots just don't have an explosive offense.
If they're going to drive,
I know they hit the big play to Kendrick Bourne,
but for the most part, like,
it's going to be a meticulous drive it down the field.
right and that's the cowboys can go like three plays and gain 80 yards.
The other thing that really stood out to me yesterday,
I've noticed this last couple weeks.
I have yet to watch a snap live of any of these London games.
You know when you're young at a company, right?
I remember when I first got hired at Fresno State and then with the Eagles,
my first year, both places, any of the most mundane, dumbest projects,
they'd be like, oh, have Middlecoft do it.
Whenever you're the intern or the lowest guy in the total,
Pold and pull. Whatever a project for the people you're working for that obviously they don't want to touch, even if it's kind of important, but they just don't have the time. They're like, oh, he can handle it, right? And anyone listening to this, you know, your company, it's like, even if it's like a revenue generating possibility, you just like, well, let's wait and see if this is worth it. Let's put the interns on it. Let's put Billy and Joe, the 25 year old guys that just graduated college on that project. Then if it turns out to something, we'll also get involved. I feel like that's,
what the NFL's doing with these London games.
Like, when they're discussing the schedule,
does it ever cross their mind?
Like, you think we should send like Tom Brady or the Cowboys?
Or, you know, maybe Russell Wilson or like the 49ers over to London?
They're like, no, just send the Falcons, the Jets, the Jags.
I know Miami won 10 games, but they'll probably suck
because they typically are not that good.
Send them, you know, the Texans around?
I mean, can you imagine the product we are sending over to London?
I feel bad for these people.
I mean, I get enough DMs from different people that live across the pond that I, they'd say, hey, listen, I live over here.
You know, the league's gaining a little steam.
But we send them the worst possible product.
We sent Urban Meyer, who leads the league right now in bad body language.
I mean, his body language and the way he carries himself for a head coach is atrocious.
If you have a chance, look at the video, the Jags tweeted out about his like post games.
I don't know if they tweeted out.
I think I was watching it during like the afternoon games.
You know, sometimes half-time hits and they go to like Terry and Jimmy or the CBS guys
and they kind of rattle through games and they show a couple highlights here and there.
And they go to the locker room after the game.
And Urban's talking to the team and it was like, I don't know if these guys are feeling it.
And then one of the players grabs the game ball.
And I'm like, oh, they're going to give the game ball to their coach for his first career
win in the NFL.
And the dude goes, you know, this guy's going to have a long career.
He's going to win a lot of games.
I'm like, damn, they're giving this game ball to Urban Meyer.
And then he's like, Trevor Lawrence.
I'm like, oh, he's giving it to Trevor Lawrence.
But Miami, Jags, Atlanta, the Jets, I talk about football for a living.
It's how I feed my unborn children.
And I have yet to watch one single snap live.
And I would imagine a lot of people listening.
Now, it's one thing, you know, depending on where you live.
You know, for me, the game's over by 9.30.
And if I'm doing stuff in the morning, I don't typically really lock into football until 10 a.m.
Now, if you live on the East Coast, I get at one.
That game, you know, 11, 12, I could see it being on in the background.
But the product we're sending to the UK is pretty laughable.
Now, maybe the league just realizes it doesn't truly matter because in theory that game was like tight,
came down to a game winning field goal.
Everyone's shitting on Brian Flores and his coaching.
And listen, that might be true.
I just think their team's not that good.
They got very, very overinflated last year.
They want a ton of tight games because of special teams and defense.
Typically, in 2021, you need good quarterback play.
And let's face it, too, is just a guy.
It's going to be, it's hard to shake.
It really is.
I watch some of the Chargers Baltimore game, and I know the Chargers got,
listen, they got ransacked.
They got destroyed.
And that's bound to happen.
But it'd be hard to look at your boss.
And this is a hard part about being a GM is like, ultimately,
when you draft a player, you know, at the time, everyone's really excited.
You've never seen a draft day video, right, in the draft, in the war room, everyone in their suit
and ties.
Everyone high fives.
32 straight picks.
Everyone's high fiving.
You never miss on draft day.
But, you know, as things age, 18, 24, 36 months later, looks a lot different.
Not a soul.
If the Washington football team could get a due over, because I think Joe Burrell probably still
goes one, but there is no chance on God's Green Earth, Herbert makes it bass to football team.
And two, would he be a lock to go in the first round? I don't think he would. And ultimately,
that's the bed that Miami has to land because that was the decision they made. And to me, they're
just, they're one in five. They don't have a first round pick. I mean, they have the 49ers
first round pick, but they gave theirs to the Eagles. Could help change the Eagles future,
depending, you know, they can use some of these picks to get a quarterback. But I truly feel bad for
some of these London or I think that's where they all the games are London.
I've actually never been to the UK, spent some time in Spain and Italy.
But God, we're just, we're sending them a pretty crappy product.
Okay, let's discuss Dan Campbell.
And when I think about Dan Campbell, I didn't know about him as a player until he coached.
And he remember when Phil Ben was fired, he became the interim for the Miami Dolphins.
That was the first time I had ever learned about Dan Campbell.
He didn't play, you know, he played for the Giants, Cowboys, Lions, and Saints from 99 to 09.
So I wasn't super locked in to backup tight ends in the 2000s.
I was busy getting drunk in college.
But like once you learn about him and you kind of read a story, backup type guy, even though he's drafted in the third round, kind of a grunt, a grinder.
And I've been saying this for a while.
I think the initial video that went out of him biting kneecaps,
if you really watched him, he actually is pretty well spoken.
When I think Meathead, I think Jim Tom Sulla.
When I think Dan Campbell, I think a pretty smart guy.
Sean Payton didn't make him his assistant head coach for nothing.
I think Dan Campbell is an impressive guy.
Now, is he going to be a great head coach?
Hell, is he going to be a good head coach?
He has a long way to go.
But yesterday, they got curb stomped.
You know, Joe Burrow got pulled in that game.
in like the second half because they were killing him.
And Dan Campbell, this offseason, they made a big trade with Matt Stafford.
Their only possible asset to really kind of recoup and start a rebuild.
And they did good.
They got multiple first round picks.
Now, the problem was the moment they got those two first round picks, he went to the Rams,
a team that, you know, I think best case scenario for them is they lose in the first round.
But, you know, it depends.
They got a long way to go.
They've already lost the Cardinals.
Cardinals haven't lost yet.
But they could still win the NFC West.
So they technically could host a first round playoff game.
But, you know, right now they would be on the road.
And it would be hard.
Like, playoff games are tough.
You know, if you're a wildcard team, it's a coin flip.
Even though depending on their opponent, who knows, maybe they'd be favored.
And I guess they could be Packers, Tampa, Dallas, Arizona, whoever they play.
It's going to be tough.
But those picks, more than likely the next couple years, are going to be in the early 20s at best,
more likely somewhere between like 25 and 32. Who knows? I mean, I don't think it's out of the realm
of possibility the Rams win the championship. So they're going to have their picks really high
and then multiple picks of the 20s, which are a big deal. It can help you make trades.
Maybe in a year you trade one of those picks for a good player. You have options. And that's the
key when you're rebuilding. You want to have options. That's what was so hard about the Texans.
They didn't have any picks and they sucked. It's just you see what's going on. It's just a disaster.
I mean, it's just a complete football embarrassment. But they didn't really have any
choice. It's not on, you know, Casario, a little bit on the bald preacher, but this is not about
the Texas. It's about Dan Campbell. And yesterday, he was asked in the press conference, Jared Goff,
who's, he's not very good. I mean, if Jared Goff was a free agent this offseason, you know,
I would guess he would make somewhere between $5 to $8 million as a backup. He makes $35 million.
And when you're Dan Campbell, and when you have the mindset of, one, just being an assistant coach,
working your way up, and then as a player, the way you made it was being, giving
and everything you had, getting every ounce of talent you had out of your body.
And you see this quarterback.
Like one knock on him with the Rams was, you know, he's not a bad guy.
Everyone likes him.
But he's just kind of blah.
Me.
I'm not even talking about a skill set, which is very average.
I'm just talking, he's not a rah-rah guy.
He's not a big leader.
I don't think the people with the Rams thought he was the hardest worker, though he's not
lazy, but he's just meh.
When you think of the other guys making huge money, for example,
Dak Prescott, when you watch Dak Prescott, watching that,
Patriot game.
She's like, God, I want to, I wish
Dak Prescott was my quarterback.
This guy's a badass.
Every ounce of talent, Dak
Prescott has, because he's much more athletic
than Goff, but like Jared, he does not have a great
arm. And the work ethic, the character
stuff, those guys swear
by that human being.
Yet McVeigh and Les Need dropped
Goff like a bad habit.
And Dan Campbell, five to six games in,
they did not expect to win.
But I think he kind of sees this guy, and he
basically said it like Jared Goff has to step it up. And he said he has to make better
throws. That's not really possible. His game is his game. What I think if you read between
the lines, what he's saying is like, this guy needs to bring more to the table. We're paying him
$35 million and he just brings nothing for us. No leadership, no no oomph, no nothing. Monday through
Sunday. It's not even just about these eggs he's laying on Sunday. It's just what are we getting
out of this? He clearly doesn't want to be there. And in fairness to Jared,
He didn't sign up to play with Detroit.
But that's pro sports.
Guys get traded.
Part of the deal.
It's why you, as Don Draper said, that's what the money's for when he signed that historic deal.
But it feels like Dan Campbell's already out on him.
The problem is, this is not a good quarterback draft.
They're probably not going to draft a quarterback.
They don't have any quarterback options.
He's kind of stuck with Jared Goff.
And it's a different scenario because the Rams were trying to win a Super Bowl.
The Lions are just trying to win a game.
But like McVeigh, McVeigh couldn't stand the guy.
He can say whatever he wants, but we've never seen a head coach who was having success
consistently openly criticize his starting quarterback.
He started a guy in the playoff game.
Jared was hurt, but it was clear they wanted no part of Jared Gophe anymore.
For a guy named John Walford.
And again, I do this for a living.
I swear I had never heard of them before like Week 17 or, you know,
I think he played a little bit the week before the playoff game,
but we started hearing his name late in the season.
And then the Peter Schrager's and those type guys of the world,
like, I'm telling you, the Rams really like this kid.
And you're like, oh, they are out on golf.
Dan Campbell, you know, it's not even Halloween.
He's out on the guy.
And I do think it's human nature, right?
When you have a job or have worked in a business,
it's one thing when you're really young and you're not making that much money,
you know, 50 grand.
And you see people, you're like,
God, that guy makes a couple hundred thousand.
God, that guy makes $500,000.
That guy's terrible.
And that's just our natural reaction when we're in our 20s.
But as you age and hopefully you make a little bit more money,
there are people that you work with.
And every industry is different.
Obviously, the NFL is super high paid employees.
But they also have lower, you know, some coaches on the staff make 60, 70, 80 grand.
Same with the scouts.
That you start going, God, this guy makes that much.
I hear it a lot with like assistant coaches.
I say it all the time.
The NFL has turned into Wall Street.
Like if you're an offensive line coach in the NFL,
you make like $1.5 million.
If you're a good position coach, you can make anywhere between $6 to $900,000.
How many people you know that are employees, zero ownership, zero equity that just make $900,000.
And they're not like the head guy.
They're not a decision maker.
They're just a role player in the company.
That's what assistant coaches are.
Now, clearly some of them are worth it, but a lot of them are stealing.
And a lot of guys, like, if you're the worst offensive line coach in the league,
you're still making a ton of money because they're going right for offensive line coaches.
So Dan Campbell, you work your way up.
you don't make that much money and you see this guy making $35 million who was just kind of lifeless.
And to me, Jared Gop, the way I would describe them, when you watch a baseball team and they get like one hit, right?
If you just watch a three-hour baseball game and the team has one hit, you go, God, that team didn't try at all.
They looked just, they didn't want to be there, right?
It's a tough watch.
It can be, these guys don't even care.
But in baseball sometimes you just can't hit, right?
And when you don't hit in baseball, it looks like you don't give a shit.
Especially if, you know, the starting pitcher, I guess nowadays,
if he comes out for five innings.
But, you know, there's like 14, 15 strikeouts in the game,
maybe only one walk.
You barely get anyone on base.
You're like, did they even care today?
I saw also the Red Sox were at the Patriot game yesterday,
and they were all drinking.
You have to appreciate the culture of baseball.
You are between games and the ALCS.
All these guys were drinking.
And I looked at the picture.
I'm like, I don't even think this is weird.
It's just the nature of the sport.
Like that would not happen in football.
But it's completely different.
Like I, you go to baseball games.
You go to playoff baseball games.
You can bullshit with players on the field.
I've been lucky enough to have passes and stuff over the years with the Giants when they were making.
You can just like talk to like Hunter Pence or Buster Posey and pregame warmups.
Like in football, you don't talk to anybody on game day.
So it's a different culture.
But I feel like that's kind of Jared Goff.
He just feels like, I'm just kind of here.
And that's hard when you're paying them that much money.
Though anyone will tell you, just because you pay a guy a lot of money,
it doesn't change.
And the Lions didn't do this.
They just inherited the contract,
which they had to do to get the picks.
Another thing that happened on Sunday,
which was impressive.
And I also think it speaks to younger guys.
Like the Raiders, the situation was insane.
To a coach on a 10-year contract,
nobody, hell, including Belichick,
probably had more job security.
In theory.
And then some emails come out and he's fired.
He made it three years,
five games on a 10-year contract.
contract. Think about that.
I mean, I know you have if you're listening to this and we all thought about Groot.
But that, like, just looking back, that's nuts.
We are basically, I'm recording this on Monday.
A week away from that happening on Monday night football, that was wild.
He didn't make it to halftime of the Monday night game last week.
The Ravens and the Colt.
And I think sometimes we overrate.
You know, in the NFL, for the most part, free agency you do choose.
But all these guys drafted, Max Crosby, you know, Derek Carr,
Henry Ruggs, a large percentage of your team
are just going to be guys that you sign
as an undrafted free agent or
you draft them, right?
And you can say as an undrafted free agent,
you can kind of pick and choose,
but you don't really have that many options.
You're just picking random teams, you don't really know.
You don't, like most of us,
human beings at 23, 24, 25,
if we're going to go work for somebody,
now even if we don't have that many options,
we are actively choosing to go work for them.
As an NFL player, you know,
Hell, even as a free agent, you may only have two people offering your money.
It's not like you typically have, most people aren't like Khalil Mack or Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey.
If they hit free agency, they'd have 15 people offering them contracts.
The majority of players have a couple teams offering what they think they're worth.
So yeah, they choose that team, but it's more just the nature of the sport where they have to end up going there
because financially they would be doing their family and themselves a disservice.
So all these guys on all these NFL teams,
teams for the most part, like they probably like their coach or a position coach, but I think
we believe they're a little more emotionally invested. Now it's tough, like obviously for the Raiders,
Darren Waller is one of, Vic Fangio called him a top 10 player in the league. And Vic Fangio is an
old school defensive kind of crumudgeant. So for him to say that, he doesn't give much praise,
that's, that's impressive. That's, that's a high praise from a guy that doesn't give it out very
easily. But he didn't have that many options. He was a recovering drug addict and Gruden, you know,
offered him an opportunity and then he made the most of it. But I think a lot of guys on the team are like,
whatever, just move on. Wednesday's Wednesday. Start getting ready for the game. It's actually
probably less in the force of his personality. Hell, it might be easier. And they have a guy
in Rich Piscotia, I'm probably screwing up that name, who's been in the league for 20 plus years. He did a good job.
he's also inheriting a team that's pretty good.
And then you saw what the Broncos was like, let's face it.
We talk about it all the time and then we're surprised.
I had money on the game yesterday and my logic was Derek Carr is dramatically better than Teddy Bridgewater.
Honestly, the gap, it's not even close.
I mean, they're in completely different universes as players.
It's a quarterback league.
Like other things matter.
Playing defense matters, special teams matters, running the ball matters, you know, situationally depending on the game.
But if your quarterback is, you know, a B plus,
and the other team's quarterback is a C-minus,
you will feel pretty good most games betting on the quarterback
that is way better than the other guy.
And that's what you saw.
Like, the Broncos have a lot of good players.
The Raiders, you know, they were three and two for a reason.
They have Henry Ruggs can play.
Darren Wallers is elite.
Max Crosby is turning, I had a buddy in the league,
I'm like, who would you compare him to?
He's like, you know, he kind of compared him to Jared Allen.
Remember the chief who went to Minnesota?
He's long, he plays hard, he's just good.
And they just have talent.
And then their quarterback, you know, is probably a top 10-ish guy in the league.
So most teams that fire their coach are a disaster.
In college, you're lucky, right?
USC, LSU become available.
Those jobs, if you're good, you can hit the ground running.
If I told you Urban Meyer quit Jacksonville and went to LSU next year,
you'd be like, yeah, they could win 11 games, right?
But most teams in the NFL, it's like the Lions, right?
The Jags, the Texans, like those are the jobs that become available.
The Chargers was pretty unique even last year
It's like they got Herbert
They got Keenan Allen
They got Joey Bosa
They got Derwin James
That was a really good job
Clearly it was the best job on the open market
By a wide
Look at the Eagles
Right
He had Jalen Hertz was their starting quarterback
And the crazy part is
At the time they made the move
It was like an upgrade over Carson Wentz
Even though Carson Wentz
Even though Carson Wentz is playing well right now
But it was impressive
And I think sometimes we
underestimate the resiliency of younger people
As we get older
I know I become more emotional about
stuff, you use all your experiences in life to think back on stuff. But when you're 23 years old,
when you're 26 years old, when you're 29 years old, you don't even know what you don't even
know. You're not even thinking about it. I think about things now at 37 years old that never in
a million years would have crossed my mind at 26, not in a million years. When I think about things
every day now that wouldn't have crossed my mind 10 years ago. And I'm sure in 10 more years,
that number will only grow. So sometimes when you're young,
having youth on your side
and the NFL just naturally
you're going to have a lot of guys on your team
that are under 26, 27 years old.
They pivot.
They can change pretty quick.
Now, you have to have talent
to compete in the NFL,
and the Raiders do,
starting with their quarterback.
So I think they're a playoff team.
And ultimately,
the reason Denver will not be a playoff team
is not because Vic Fangio's some idiot.
He was the highest paid defensive coordinator
when they made him their head coach.
Now, is he a great head coach?
I don't know.
But look at who's quarterbacks have been.
Would Belichick, would Andy Reed, would all these coaches,
John Payton, Sean McVeigh, win a lot of games with Teddy Bridgewater?
They would not.
Like, I'm watching, and I root for Teddy.
He's a high character guy.
Everything he's overcome with his knee injury in Minnesota.
He's a great story for the league.
I think he's the best backup in the NFL.
But when I watch him start, he overthrows basic layup throws.
He overthrows touchdown passes.
They had scheme guys wide-off.
open and he couldn't hit him. Now, you could say that's a bad game for Teddy. It feels like he's
had a couple of those in a row. The longer backups have to start, the more they get exposed.
You could, Khalil Mack or Joey Bose could miss a game and you could put their backup in
for one game if they're just going to miss one game and you might not feel a difference.
But if that guy misses half the season, Jalen Ramsey's replacement, whoever, let alone a
quarterback, you feel it more week in, week out. And the more games that Teddy starts, she saw it
last year in Carolina, the more he gets exposed with his physical limitations.
Doesn't have a strong arm, and his accuracy in big spots can be hit or miss.
Where Derek is much more talented, and now he's, you know, becoming comfortable with Henry
Ruggs, Darren Waller, Josh Jacobs is healthy.
They're just, they're pretty, they get a lot of talent on their team.
And just wanted to fire around the NFL a little bit.
The Vikings offense is really good.
I mean, Cousins is having a fantastic season.
Jefferson's a star.
Him and C.D. Lamb are just ballers.
Thielen's really good, and their running backs are good.
Now, their defensive backs
for having a defensive coach and Mike Zimmer,
they allowed Carolina to go right down the field
to force that thing to overtime,
and they needed two points too.
I didn't like when they scored late in the game,
I would have gone for two to make it a nine-point game.
That's Middlecoff analytics.
I would be like,
I would much rather have it a nine-point game,
worst-case seven, and they'll just kick the field goal.
Like they're not going to go for two points, I wouldn't think.
So I thought that was a little bit of mistake.
But God, the Vikings just cannot cover me or you.
If they had a solid defense, they would probably be like five and one.
The crazy thing is, if you could put the Vikings defense of like 2016 and 2017
with this version of their offense, they'd be one of the better teams in the league.
But their defense, their past defense, is atrocious.
The Packers were just cruising, watched a lot of that game on Sunday.
I just felt like
I wouldn't say going through the motions
but they were in cruise control
they were never of threat to lose that game
obviously the thing that went viral was Aaron
saying I own you
which when you do have onage over someone
you're allowed to tell them
and he does own the Bears
I don't know the exact number
I thought I heard 21 and 4
but he dominates the Bears
and even Bears fans know it
and there's nothing you can do
I do think it's easy to hold your head high
when someone owns you
and it's like one of the best players of all time
like it would suck
If, like, you know, Jared Gough owns me, right?
Or some, like, Joe Blanton owns me.
But if you're like, you know, I never had hit off Greg Maddox.
I faced him for 10 straight years.
You know, we beat Aaron Rogers one time in a decade.
It's not the worst thing in the world.
You know, we couldn't beat Michael Jordan.
You know, I went toe to toe with Tiger Woods five times.
He beat me every time.
But it's one thing if you're like, you know, playing some random Joe Schmo
and that guy always beat you.
It's like, God, maybe you're just not that good.
And I'm not saying this Bears team is great.
But, like, you didn't think the,
Packers were going to beat them.
The Giants, what a lifeless franchise.
I mean, seriously.
And listen, I was critical of some of Joe Judge's tactics of making people run.
And people, his defenders would always be like, you know, the players love them.
The narratives around Joe Judge are not what they feel like them around the building.
The end of the day in the sport of football, in really any sport, but in the NFL, because you only play so many games,
You're just judged on Sundays.
So whether the guys like you, whether they don't like you,
whether you're hard ass or whether you're a players coach,
whether you're an offense or whether you're a defensive guy,
it kind of all goes out the window on Sunday.
Like, is your team good?
Do you guys win games?
And they don't.
I mean, they might be a two-win team this year.
And is it all his fault?
Of course not.
The GM's not very good.
Daniel Jones is just a guy,
even though he was playing much better before he got to concussion.
Obviously, Seekwan can't stay healthy.
you know, it's kind of unlucky he rolled his ankle.
But one in five, like, I don't care, you know, what the excuse is your team is just not very good.
And they got, obviously, the Rams are in a completely different league than them.
But to get boat raced when you're super terrible, like, how's it going to get any better?
So I don't know, man.
I don't know what John Marr does.
I think, though, when you win two or three games, Joe Judge, they're paying them a lot of money.
But I do think it's a tough spot.
you go, well, we're going to let
the Joe Judge influence our
general manager hiring. So everyone's just, well,
fire a Gettleman. Okay, well then
does John Marr just hire a GM
kind of like the
Broncos did? And then you just let him decide.
Give him a year. You know, I think they
did that with Mangini. They're doing that
with Vic Fangio. But that's always
kind of weird. I think the easiest way
is if you truly have
any questions, you just
go nuclear and you fire everyone.
in the building, and you just start from scratch,
and then you interview coaches,
you interview general managers,
and you just find the right guy.
Because any time your team sucks,
and then you get out of whack with the coach and the GM,
it's not like Joe Judge's only been there one year now, right?
This is, he's has, by this, the end of this season,
he'll have two years of evidence,
his team's going backwards.
You'd be like, well, just fire Jason Garrett,
fire this guy.
Well, it's like, well, maybe it's the head coach.
Carson Wentz is playing well.
He played well last week in the loss to the Ravens,
played well again,
and the Texans are terrible.
and I mean, they're really bad.
But I saw Field Yates tweeted out.
He only has one interception this year.
I think a big knock.
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Just some just atrocious plays.
And he's just playing better.
You know, he's a guy that, you know, listen,
is he ever going to be the superstar that we once
that I know I did have envisioned?
Probably not.
But can he be a solid NFL quarterback
and can the Colts like win games with him?
I think it's possible.
They are paying him a lot of money though.
But it's a big game actually this Sunday night,
Eagles, not the Eagles, but Colts Niners.
You know, I wouldn't say a loser.
goes home, but I mean, if the Niners
lose and they go, I guess they would be two
and four, that would be problems. And if the Colts
were to lose and they'd be two and five,
that'd be bye-bye on the season.
The Washington football team and the
Sean Taylor situation was just
I saw a lot of people tweeting about
it last minute. They put the party by the
porta-potties, like, we know what it was.
We know exactly why they did that.
Like, it's obvious. The emails
came out. They went after
John Gruden. I saw Lock and Four
say that Mark Davis is furious.
because he feels like his organization gets treated like a second-class citizen,
and it's true. Like, Mark, they want you out. They want you gone. They do not care about
you or your feelings. Would they have done that to Jerry Jones? Would they have done that to
Robert Kraft? Would they have done that to John Mara? Of course not. Under no circumstances,
would they have done that. And for whatever reason, they kind of, you know, it feels like
circumvented throwing Dan Snyder under the bus, which they clearly don't like as well. Weird deal.
the difference is Dan Snyder is very petty and he's smart and he has money like he'd attack you know you just kind of you don't want him attacking you you know Mark Davis will just you know it's kind of sad but he'll just kind of not say anything right he'll just publicly he'll be mad but he won't say anything publicly Dan Snyder's liable to do who knows what and they pulled the Sean Taylor thing out of their ass it feels like and it was just a joke and you know I mean what would you expect I mean it's clear what they
did. Why is anyone shocked? It's obvious why they did this. You don't all of a sudden throw Sean
Taylor out of nowhere like they did. It's clear. And their team's awful. They're not very good.
Watching that game this morning. Mahomes even made some weird plays. He had one pick. It kind of looked
like a Gino Smith, Daniel Jones special. But then he flips it on the second half and they just killed
them, as they should. I mean, the Chiefs, as long as you got Patrick Mahomes, you got a chance to win every
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Like my guy Joshua here.
Joshua.
Do you think Wence has proved himself so far this season?
What do you think he needs to improve on?
I didn't think he looked that good early.
now I had a bunch of Colts fans that hit me up and like you know you're being too hard on him he's not the problem
I do think he's played better that Baltimore game is really good that's the best game he's played
given the opponent giving it Monday night football in years I mean that was that was a big boy game
uh as of record I haven't watched the Colts Texan game yet uh look at the line I mean he was good
again now the Texans stink but I mean he's playing good football uh so I just think you uh
you just keep rolling with it. He hasn't thrown any picks.
He looks healthier by the week.
Big game this week against the Niners.
Sunday night football, so just a lot of people are going to be watching.
Their record's not that good, but they are not, you know, with him healthy,
they're a solid team.
I think the way he's playing now, if they could restart the season,
they would win nine or ten games.
Think this is the real reason LSU is parting ways with Edo.
Since the divorce, he has been chasing tail like a 19-year-old college kid.
A lot of rumors.
They're not rumors.
I mean, it's clear that he was, I saw a headline today bringing girls.
He was dating a lot of younger women.
They're kids to practice and letting them in drills.
You know, anytime you get a divorce at that age and have that type money, you know,
you're fishing in probably a little different pond than you did way back in the day.
Right.
And so I think Ed O is famous and rich.
and those things usually, you know, make your options.
What Chris Rock once famously say, you're only as faithful as your options, which is not true.
You know, listen, I'm not married, but I know some people that are very well off and very happy relationships.
To me, a relationship is not based on money, is not based on success, it's not based on anything.
It's based on the two people.
And do you keep growing together?
And clearly, you know, Belich got a divorce.
he has Gourlinda now.
Ed Ogeron hasn't settled down.
But I mean, anytime you have your Ed Ogeron, you're 60 years old,
and you get a picture that goes viral of you in the bed,
like, listen, you're allowed to sleep with whoever you want.
I'm pro-sex.
I'm pro-dating.
You can do whatever you want.
But when you got a girl that looks like she's 25
and you're in her bed, or maybe she's in your bed, I don't know,
and she's taking selfies that goes viral, like it's not a great look.
You are, you know, an $8, $9 million employee,
maybe Ed made a little less.
Be the head coach at LSU,
a top five program in the country.
You're a national champion.
Like, there are different standards, you know?
I don't expect you to be Nick Saban
and never have any issues
and be married to Miss Terry for 40 years or whatever.
You know, I think Pete Carroll had a divorce
and there were always rumors about him in L.A.
You're allowed to do whatever you want,
but you got to be smart about it.
And clearly, Ed O. was not being smart about it.
Maybe he just didn't give a shit.
maybe he didn't handle his single celebrity very well.
Not everyone can handle that.
Like there's probably a good chance 30 years ago,
Ed O wasn't the pick of the litter everywhere he went.
Right now it's probably a different game.
We'll see how it happens once he's fired,
but he'll have a lot of money.
So I know a lot of ugly rich guys that are doing just fine.
But Edo, like, that stuff is just not going to fly.
In Southern values, you know, you can't just be running around.
bringing girls in the facility.
I saw some Pete Dammel wrote,
players were like,
it was kind of getting ridiculous.
When 19-year-old players are saying that,
it's definitely a problem.
Because they don't care.
Like, where I come from, we celebrate,
you know, unless you're like sleepy,
you know, your wife, your friends or whatever.
Once you get divorced, you're single.
You can do whatever the hell you want.
But when you have a big boy job that is public,
you got to be smart about it.
Jimbo Fisher got a divorce.
It looks like he's married.
now or in a serious relationship.
And, you know, no issues.
You went through that little phase.
You know, Midlife Crisis was some Ed Hardy T-shirts.
He doesn't shave.
But you just, you got to be a pro about it, right?
Wanted to submit a question for the mailback.
Watching the Patriot games, it seems like Matt Jones's ceiling might be Baker Mayfield.
Should I be worried as a Pat's fan?
No, because you have a good enough coach.
And he's, the problem with Baker Mayfield is now his contract's about to be.
up. So it's like, do you have to pay them? Mac Jones, given what you're paying them, like,
you're in good shape. You can win with Mac Jones. But yeah, my whole deal was like, do you want
Baker Mayfield or Mac Jones in the top 15? And I'd say Baker May, like, has Mac Jones ever going
as good as Baker Mayfield has a better arm than Mac Jones. I do think Mac Jones is a better
athlete. But yeah, I mean, I'm not into low-ceiling quarterbacks. That's just not my style.
I mean, I was, I come from when I was at Fresnel State,
recruited Derek Carr. When I got to Andy Reed, he benched Kevin Cobb immediately from Michael
Vic. I mean, the quarterbacks that I gravitate to are freaks. I like big arm guys. I'm a big
arm guy, right? I don't have one, but those are the quarterbacks that I like. Unless, I would say
the one weak arm, weaker armed quarterback, I mean, I grew up on Steve Young, but he was also a freak
athlete in the most accurate quarterback in the history league. He's more accurate in Drew Brees because
he played in a different league than Drew Breeze.
And no one would take Drew Breeze over Steve Young.
So that would be the one weaker arm quarterback I like.
I mean, Peyton Manning, but those guys are outliers.
I mean, I like Tom Brady's, Mahomes, Farves, Aaron Rogers,
you know, Josh Allen's, even Lamar's got a pretty good arm.
So Herbert, I like big arm guys.
Because it gives you, here's my logic behind it in January.
And even in late in December,
and depending on where you're playing,
like when I worked for the Eagles,
it got cold right now.
I wore shorts today.
It's still warm in California.
But in a lot of places,
around middle to late October,
weather changes.
So in November and December,
wind comes,
rain comes,
snow comes.
You need a stronger arm
to pierce the wind.
Now you've got to be a good,
accurate quarterback,
but that's what I look for in quarterbacks.
So Mac Jones wasn't really my style,
even though good kids,
smart,
like he brings a lot to the table.
Will he ever be as good at Kirk Cousins?
I mean, Kirk Cousins is pretty good right now.
Bengals fan from Kentucky.
I went to a Bengals game when I worked for the Eagles.
Stayed, I think, across the,
what the river there is, the Ohio River.
That's probably not what the river is.
But I remember, I think I stayed in Louisville.
Is that close?
My geography might be a little off, but it was really fun.
I went there Saturday during the day,
went out at night, went to the Bengals game the next day.
Stadium's old, but it was, I enjoyed my time there.
Unless you want to discuss the angle of why Joe Brady should be in Cincinnati,
really just wanted to say, love the show dude, love getting stoned, and just listen to your takes.
Good escape for the day. I appreciate that, Jeff.
Yeah, I mean, here's the problem for you getting Joe Brady is I'm not the biggest Zach Taylor guy,
but he's doing a good job this year. They're four and two. They're playing good football.
Like, they have played really good football. I mean, they easily could be five and one.
I mean, they were multiple missed kicks away from beating the Packers.
So you're probably stuck with Zach Taylor,
but as long as you got Joe Burrow,
Jamar Chase, their defense is playing well,
you got to give them some credit.
Massive fan of the pods,
starting an NBA one with my buddies.
What editing software do you use?
Well, I'm lucky I don't do this all in my own.
I record the podcast into Garage Band.
I have a Zoom.
It's called a Zoom, and I plug my mic,
which is like a mic you could use
if you were like singing songs or something.
it's got an auxiliary cord,
and then that has a USB thing,
and it plugs into my,
uh,
my computer.
But I send it off to my guy,
Mike,
and he edits it from there.
But,
but the sound quality just goes through a zoom.
I use,
uh,
you know,
a real mic that you would get in a studio,
not,
when you get the over-the-counter mics,
the USB mics,
your sound is not going to be as good.
So anyone that wants to do audio stuff,
you have to find a way to get the plug-in mics.
And then use,
uh,
I,
Zoom. They're not cheap. You know, I think it was
$3, $400. But, you know,
when you're a podcaster, you write that shit off.
But the USB mics are easy to get, but
the sound quality, as someone who's been in this
podcast game now since about 16,
first couple years, the sound wasn't great.
And that was just because I had average
equipment. So my number one key would get a good
mic, avoid USB mics.
And, you know, I just, I have an Apple computer
and I use garage band. So,
Every favorite team is covering right now
Yeah, well, the Raiders
When did you send this?
The Raiders were an underdog
I don't know if that's right
The Rams, the Bengals,
The Cowboys,
Yeah, maybe you're right, I have to think about that.
I don't think Jay Glazer,
Adam Silver, or I mean, Adam Schaefter, or anyone
would do that to Gruden.
I think you are 100% correct.
Someone wanted him out.
I mean, there are a lot of people
that have said things in the past
that finally catch up to them now.
It's just the way society views something at the present.
Someone was at the receiving end of those emails.
They're not correct for letting those comments lie,
but why now?
Well, I think why now is because they did the investigation.
So they did an investigation in the football team
and they had 650,000 emails.
Well, to my knowledge,
you have to get a law firm to go through them all.
The league does an investigation.
Washington football team does an investigation.
But if I'm Dan Snyder, I'm not going to tell them myself.
You know, I don't think the league wants to, you know, what are they going to, like, what do they get out of it by leaking Dan Snyder?
He's not going anywhere.
So then you get Gruden.
I don't know why.
I mean, I think I mentioned this on last podcast.
Roger Goodell's brother is a homosexual.
So he's using these words.
He's calling Roger that.
that I could see if you're Roger, maybe just don't like them.
You know, who knows about their interactions in the past?
They legitimately just might not like each other.
So it could just be that simple.
Now, you know, I think it also could just be the law firm that linked it.
I don't know.
That's a hell of a question.
Vyselia native, Cal Poly alumni,
business school admin graduate in 2005.
That's impressive.
Two questions.
How much could Mark Davis sell the Raiders?
stadium and his assets for it. Well, he doesn't own the stadium. The city does.
But I think right now, if you put Vegas on the open market, Charlotte, Carolina Panthers,
$2.2.2 billion, I think the Raiders at minimum are getting double that. Las Vegas,
no state income tax. The stadium is already paid for through the taxes that they, you know,
the way they paid for the stadium was they just taxed the rooms. So when you go to Vegas and you
stay at the MGM, the ARIA, the Cosmo, wherever, you look like your bill, let's say you go on a
weekend, your bill's $300 for the night. Well, if you look, there's a lot of different charges.
It's not, the room might be $120, $180. And then there are all these other chargers. And one of the
charges right now is the stadium fee. So you don't have to pay anything for it. The brand, the city,
I think, you know, I think they'd get $5 billion. I really do. Fire.
Firestone or Hygira or Bulldog Grill.
I say Firestone.
Like I said, Firestone, and the dog house.
Firestone's in San Luis.
The dog house is in Fresno.
Same exact restaurant.
Best tri-tip sandwich in America.
I say that very confidently, too.
And I know we got some people in the South and Texas
and people live in Kansas City.
The tri-tip sandwich, best in America.
The Billingsley family, they make an elite product.
They also make a lot of money.
Antonio Brown.
He said Big Ben was trash.
He said Juju was nothing without him,
and he called John Gruden a racist.
He was really ahead of his time.
I thought this tweet about the thing Antonio Brown
said about Ben Gruden, Shannon Sharp, a couple years ago,
could be more seriously now
and wanted to hear your thoughts.
P.S. Love the show. Brown's fan here.
Thoughts on the AFC North.
Well, I think you guys are in trouble.
I think the Brownies are in big, big trouble.
They have a bunch of injuries.
The quarterback's hurt.
he's not playing that well.
All your running backs are injured.
Turns out Kareem Hunt didn't tear his Achilles
is what it looks like.
He just pulled a calf.
But he's going to miss some time.
You know, the Steelers just can ugly the game up.
And I just think they're going to be right around 8, 9, 10 wins.
So, you know, the Ravens probably end up winning that division
by three or four games.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's, you know, I don't know.
When Antonio Brown did say those things,
I think we all thought he was crazy.
and I still do think he went through
like we all witnessed it. It was insane.
Like I was, I mean, I obviously live in the Bay Area
when he was, the Raiders hadn't moved to Vegas yet.
They were still practicing in Napa.
He flew in on a hot air balloon with burnt feet.
Like that was insane.
They cut him before the first game.
I'll never forget his OTAs.
And I had a couple buddies on the staff.
They're like, you should see this guy.
Then the Raiders tweeted out of video from OTAs.
And it was, it looked like, I mean, he was,
now their team.
wasn't as good back then,
but holy moly, he was kicking everyone's ass.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't know.
You know, sometimes the craziest people are right, right?
You know, sometimes the conspiracy theorist,
30, 40, 50, 10 years later proved to be right.
You know, some might say a lot of that's going on in society now.
I know it's very unlikely,
given the countless options he has and the overall dysfunction of the Raiders.
If you're Mark Davis,
don't you do everything to get paid manning to take your president, GM,
him really whatever he wants.
The instant respect you would bring the organization
is invaluable. Someone that understands
business and obviously football. I'd give him
complete control. Would take an astronomical
amount of money. Money which I'm sure
doesn't have. Well, I actually might have
saved it now with Grudengon. I just
think under no circumstances
and I mean literally zero
Peyton Manning would ever
work for Mark Davis. I just don't think that's even an option.
Now if Mark were to go
and Jeff Bezos or
you know, some David Tepper type guy
took over the Raiders. I would say that would be,
I wouldn't say it would be in play because I don't know if he's interested in doing that right now,
but it would be more in play than he's not working for Mark Davis.
It's just not happening.
Does Mark Davis look scarily too much like John Madden, DNA test?
Seriously, goofy looking guy.
Yeah, John Madden got hired in the early 70s.
Mark's like 68 years old.
I think Mark was born in the 50s.
So, you know, John Madden would have been, like,
he actually coached to Cal Poly back in the 60s.
So I don't think that Al's wife Carol, who's still alive,
I think he was Al's kid.
In fairness to Mark, my couple interactions with Mark over the years,
used to go to training camp and we would get set up right there
by the inside the ropes and he would come bullshit.
He was really down to earth and a cool owner in terms of an owner, right?
most owners, super rich,
they just struggled to talk to normal people.
And that was not his problem.
But the league views him as the weak link.
And I think sometimes, like,
I always feel like I'm beating up on the guy.
My interactions personally, he couldn't have been any cooler.
Now, he didn't always agree with what I would say on the Raiders post game,
but it's his team, I get it.
They were terrible.
I mean, what the hell was I supposed to say?
But in my personal interactions with them, I really liked them.
and I think most people would
but the leagues, the elites
sometimes the elites don't
like the common guy and I think
they look at the Raiders is just like
it's such a
it has so much potential
right and I don't think they feel he maximizes
it. A big fan
if you ever
pod from Israel wow
if you're ever here visit I'd love to buy you a beer
I'd love to go to Israel one day
I don't think I'm coming anytime soon
but if I'm there I'd love to have a beer
in Israel. Which non-quarterbacks do you think are most blatantly head and shoulders above their
teams? Meaning an absolute stud on a really shitty team. My pick would be Cordarell Patterson
on the Falcons. I've watched only a handful of plays from them this year and it seems like
almost every big play, it feels like he deserves a much better team. Well, he's been on good teams.
I mean, he's been on playoff level teams. I watch him with the Raiders, the Bears, the Patriots.
You know, I think sometimes when you're on a really, really shitty team, you just get more options.
like if you put Patterson on the Bucks,
he's not going to look as sweet, right?
If you put him with D.K.
and Tyler Lockett,
he probably wouldn't get as many reps.
He's a very talented player.
He's probably one of the better athletes in the league.
But, you know, sometimes when it's like an NBA player,
if I just go on the worst NBA team,
and I'm like a fringe All-Star,
I can score 25 points.
It doesn't mean I'm a top 20 player in the league.
Right? Like, Darren Waller, for example,
on the Raiders is very,
way better than Corbyrell Patterson, right?
I would say, if you just kind of go,
like I wouldn't take them over most sweet skill guys.
I'd rather have Delvin Cook.
I'd rather have C.D. Lamb.
I'd rather have, you start going around the league.
I'd rather have DJ Moore.
Hell, I'd rather have Calvin Ridley than Cordarell Patterson.
And that's not, like, I like Patterson.
CP84 is what I call him.
So this means John Gruden going to be a calling a couple of plays for Alabama in a couple years.
Yeah, I've had some time to think about it,
because I think last week
we all thought his career's over.
I just don't think you can ever say that.
The way society works,
we forgive and we forget,
we move on.
Some of us sooner than others.
I don't,
I don't even care.
Like,
it just takes a lot to bother me.
It really has to be personal
or my family.
Because I think most people
that pretend to be offended,
I'm not talking about John Gruden
specifically.
But just like when you see
everyone freaks out on the internet,
do they really care?
Because I don't think most people do.
The John Gruden
thing, it's going to be the employer.
You know, it's going to be very tough sell.
So I don't think he's ever coaching in the NFL again.
Now, could he coach in college?
I think you would never say never.
But he's so rich.
He's probably, you know, early, he's probably 55 now.
I guess he would have been mid-30s in Al Davis, late 90s,
early.
Yeah, so he's 55-ish.
I don't know.
I don't know.
There are probably certain areas of the country that are much more open to that.
It would be the SEC if it was going to be anywhere.
Could he be a head coach?
He wasn't a good head coach.
That was a thing.
It wasn't going that well with the Raiders.
He didn't come in and take the league by storm.
If anything, he looked like, think about his own division.
He was, if you did a draft right now,
the only coach in his own division he would have got to take it over
would probably have been Vic Fangio.
But if I said, well, you could have,
could have like Sean McVeyer, Kyle Shanahan, but you get Vic Fangio as your defensive coordinator,
or would you rather have John Gruden as your head coach? I'd be like, well, give me an offensive
coach with Vic Fangio. Hell, Vic Fangio was my guy Nagy's defensive coordinator. They went 12 and 4.
So is he a better head coach than Vic? Yes. I would, everyone in the league would rather have
Brandon Staley, and of course, Andy Reid would go in a heartbeat in a coach draft. So I just think
part of the problem with John Gruden was, turns out he wasn't really that good.
Is there something going on in Kansas City?
Seems like the wheels are coming off a little bit.
Now that Thune's out, I think the chances to miss the playoffs are even higher.
I think everyone just needs to take a deep breath.
They'll be fine.
Mahomes is too good.
Andy's too good.
They have defensive problems.
They don't have that much talent on defense.
But when you have Patrick Mahomes,
this is what having an all-time great quarterback.
You're going to win 10 games.
So yeah, this season might go off the rails a little bit for their standards.
They've been used to winning 14, 15 games,
being the one seed and going to the Super Bowl.
hosting the AFC championship game, right?
Have they hosted the AFC championship game three years in a row?
Yeah, they've hosted three years in a row.
So when you host the AFC championship game three years in a row,
think how good you've been.
Lost of the Patriots because of D4.
Next year they win it.
Last year they won it.
So that's three straight years of hosting the AFC championship game.
The Patriots didn't host the AFC championship game every year.
I remember they went to play the Broncos one year on the road.
I think actually they did that multiple times.
if I remember correctly.
So it's just, yeah, I mean,
if your worst year is like 10 and 7, 11 and 6,
it's weird.
You got the new math now with the 17 games.
But, you know, you got a good thing going.
I'd take Patrick Mahomes against anybody.
He's still pretty damn good.
I watched that game this morning on the stair stepper.
And, you know, it was a tight game at halftime,
and then he just flipped a switch.
He had to play in the second half that was just,
I'm the best player in the world.
It's one of those type plays.
Like, I don't know how many guys have this in the back.
He's a stud.
Andy's a stud.
They'll be fine.
That'll do it.
Okay.
You guys know the drill.
At John Middlecock is the Instagram.
Slide up into those direct messages.
And yeah, have a week, everybody.
And I will talk to everyone soon.
Godspeed.
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