The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Top 3 Mahomes Mega Deal Takeaways; Unrealistic NFL COVID Protocols; Pac-12 in Shambles; Mailbag

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

In this episode, John gives his 3 biggest takeaways to Patrick Mahomes signing a historic 10-year deal with the Chiefs, explains why the NFL's ever increasing COVID protocols are unrealistic for teams to follow completely, examines how the Pac-12 continues to lose ground against the other Power-5 conferences, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Basically, he has two years left on his deal. It's overall, I think, a 12-year contract, 400, 450 million. I think Schefter, you know, 140 injury guaranteed. A lot of money. A lot of money. We'll dive in to all things. my homes from every different angle off the top of the show. We're also going to talk about some other things that I saw today, some issues that

are rising, some anonymous GMs. We're talking to Florio about the league office and the coronavirus protocol. And I think you see the disconnect in a lot of businesses with the suits and the working people. And in the NFL, the GMs and the coaches are on the ground. and then you have Park Avenue and the money people. And there's probably a disconnect because every job I've been at in situations

there typically is a business disconnect often with the people on the ground floor. And then an article that I saw that came out about the Pact 12 commissioner, Larry Scott, and the future of the conference and how it just continues to slip farther behind as one of the Power 5 conferences. And I think it wasn't that long ago,

that the PAC 12, the SEC, you know, the Big 12, the Big 10, we're all kind of viewed as equals. And that definitely isn't the case. I mean, obviously, the ACC is terrible, but they do have Clemson. So the Pac-12 is just in absolute economic shambles. We'll dive into that. And then, of course, the Middilcoff mailbag, everyone that's been firing me DMs, I got a bunch today from my homes. We'll just, we'll dive deep into the bag of mailbag questions. At John middle cop is my Instagram it's the way the mail bag operates greatly appreciate everyone that shoots

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You're like, wow, it actually happened. What do you think the chiefs were going to do? Not signing this guy to a contract? He's three years into his career, two years at a starter, and he's already the most important player in the history of the franchise. He is one of those guys

that you watch play two games and you just go, this guy's a superstar. Now, you can watch him one game. I just use two to like, you like to see a guy play multiple games. It was clear, the first month of his career, it's like, yeah, this guy's on a completely different level.

The head coach loves him, the general manager loves him, the franchise loves him, he won an MVP and won a Super Bowl. It's just, it's a no-brainer. It's really easy. Now, I don't have that many details on the money. It's kind of irrelevant. When you're a star quarterback, you see the majority of the money on your contract. That's just a fact. Joe Flacco basically made every penny of his contract.

Derek Carr is making every penny on his contract. you get it all. They are not treated like other positions. They're just not. And they get way more endorsements off the field, especially when you win. So I give Patrick Mahomes a lot of credit. Now, clearly he got compensated at a high level, but the great part about the NFL is it doesn't matter where you play.

If you win, and you could argue this in all of sports. Now, I think in baseball, you got to be with the Yankees, right? You got to be with the Dodgers. You got to be with the Giants. You got to be with the Cardinals. you can become a great player with the Tampa Bay race. It's not the same. And you're not going to get paid there.

In basketball, they can pay you. It's just pretty clear guys want to leave. In football, like Russell Wilson's, arguably the second most famous player behind Mahomes right now, I guess Brady still, but he plays in Seattle. Patrick Mahomes plays in Kansas City. Tom Brady just went to Tampa. It doesn't really matter.

And I immediately did a little Instagram of the three things that jumped out to me on this deal. and I've had a couple hours since, and I don't think much has changed. The number one thing that jumps out to me on this deal is sometimes you know when you find something that just is almost too good to be true, right? We've all been in those relationships.

I would imagine some of you are still in them when you meet someone and you just, you spend time with them and you go, yeah, this person is just, I'm very, very compatible with this person. This person makes me better. I achieve more in life, personally, professionally, because I have this person by my side.

I want to be around this person. We've definitely experienced that. I would imagine many of you listening professionally. You partner up with someone. You work for someone where, especially if you've worked for multiple people, you go, this is a pretty special situation. Sometimes you just know. There's something to a gut instinct.

On top of, you know, tangible results, whether it's money, whether it's Super Bowl, whatever. You just go, God, it doesn't. get much better than this. It really doesn't. That's not always the case. I mean, Kevin Durant was winning at a historic clip. If he stayed healthy, they just would have won titles every year in Golden State.

Wasn't enough. Because for whatever reason, it wasn't perfect. We see guys leave all the time in other professional sports. In football, though, when you got a great coach, you got Belichick, if you're Drew Breeze and you got Sean Payton, if you're Patrick Mahomes, and you have Andy Reid, you just stay with them. And their match is perfect. And he's an offensive savant. He's an easy guy to deal with. He's a great coach. He coaches the other guys at a really high level. He always wins. It just makes a lot of sense for Mahomes to want to be with him. He empowers Patrick Mahomes because of the, I was watching

something about Mary this weekend. It was on TV like TBS. I think they were just like rerunning it. I'm like, if I remember correctly, Farves in this movie. And then I'm like, oh yeah, Farve's in this movie. And it was like, when Farv was just a rock star, and you realized, like, Coach Reed was around Brett Farv in the mid-90s. Part of what made Brett Farv great was you just kind of let him cook. He's going to throw some picks, but he's also going to kick the shit out of most people he plays. You know what they do with Mahomes? They kind of just let him cook. And, you know, he probably frustrates him sometimes, but they know how great he is. They empower his creativity. The general manager, who wasn't the GM at the time they drafted him, he was the lead scout.

He was the guy that literally pounded the table to John Dorsey and gave the film to Andy Reed. And he's his biggest fan in Brett Veach. I would imagine, besides like Mahomes' girlfriend, fiancee, and parents, there's not a bigger Patrick Mahomes, including Andy Reed, than Brett Veach. So if you're Mahomes, you go,

well, I got a great offensive coach who I personally and professionally like a lot. Kansas City, which fits my personality. It's an easy-going place. I'm an easy-going guy. kind of blue collar in a weird way for being a superstar. You go, the GM is head over heels for me. The fan base loves me.

The team puts a winning product around me. They just keep doubling down on my talent, getting me more offensive players, getting better defensive players, or set up to speed for a long period of time. Why would I leave? Ten-year deal? Done.

That's not, you keep reading all these. Kirk Cousins always wants like a two, three-year deal to, like, maximize profits. You know why? Cousins has to, to maximize profits. He's not going to win on the field. He's never going to win a Super Bowl.

He's not even that markable. NBA players love doing these one-in-ones. They're just all about max... You know what Mahomes realized? My brand is going to be winning. It's going to be championships. And I'm going to cash checks. And that's what he's going to do

around Andy Reed and Brett Veach and the Kansas City Chiefs for years to come. The second thing that really stood out to me. One major point of difference. And it's not the main thing because I think every NFL game and just football and college football falls under this umbrella as well. I've talked about this for a long time, the importance and the urgency in every game. It's why we bet it. It's why we play fantasy. It's why we watch it because every game matters.

Even though technically not every quote-unquote game matters, but it feels like they do. It's something that the baseball does not have. I mean, they're going to have it this year with the short schedule. the NBA, clearly the players don't even give a shit about 20% of the games. They literally don't care. They'll gladly sit out. They don't try in a percentage of them. Not blaming them, but it's just a fact. And the consumer has said, we won't watch as much anymore.

The consumer has said with football, we love the urgency of the sport. Do you know what else they get? If you're a Seattle Seahawk fan, if you're a Houston Texan fan, if you're now a Kansas City Chiefs fan, the market size is irrelevant. The league is making so much money. that every team can afford to pay these players huge money. Kansas City is not the New York Giants. It's not the Dallas Cowboys.

It's not the Philadelphia Eagles or the San Francisco 49ers. They don't have that type cash. They just don't. But because of the money they've made through the league, and now that they got Patrick Mahomes, they've been winning a lot more lately, they can afford to quote-unquote overextend themselves and do a deal like this and not even flinch,

literally not flinch, not bat an eye. And at the end of the day, people, humans, there's a reason when I was eight, nine, ten years old, the teams I rooted for were the San Francisco Giants and the San Francisco 49ers and the Sacramento Kings. Because they were the teams around me. Most of us, we are born. Now, obviously some of you, you know,

if your dad's a cowboy fan, you grew up in Texas, you might just be drawn to the Eagles or whatever. Sometimes it's weird things like to happen. I bet for the most part, Every 95% of people listening root for teams, they geographically grew up around. If you grew up in Iowa, you're probably either a Bears fan or a Packer fan, right? If you grew up in Seattle, you're probably a Mariners fan, a Sonics fan, and a Seahawk fan. If you grew up in New York, you're either a Giants fan or a Jets fan.

That typically is how it works. We're fans of teams first. Now, as we get older, we like certain players. It's normal, right? But we're drawn to teams. And the NFL is a team leak. It keeps its players. It builds stardom around those players on that given team.

It helps build up rivalries for a long time. It's why it's such a big deal when a player does move, especially a marquee player. You don't see it happen that much. It's why Khalil Mack, our jaw hit the floor. It's like, who trades a guy like that in their prime? You never see it with quarterbacks, ever. Tom Brady just left after 20 freaking years.

Peyton Manning had to be cut to leave the Colts. That's not the New York Giants. That's the Indianapolis Colts had to be cut to leave. He wouldn't have left. He would have stayed. Russell Wilson's, I'd say, probably like a 90% chance. He plays his entire career for the Seattle Seahawks. As long as the 49ers want Jimmy Garoppel,

and Jimmy Garoppel's going to be with the Niners. As long as Jared, I'm like, Geragov, if he can play better, we'll be there for Matt Ryan. These guys stay forever. and it's a huge point of difference in the NFL. Like in the NBA, one of the biggest stories around the Bay Area is like, are the Warriors going to get Yannis? What can the Warriors do to get Yonis?

What can the Warriors do to get Yonis? What can the Warriors do to get Yonis? Pat Riley's going to go after Yonis, going to go after Victorola Depot. How much longer is LeBron going to stay in L.A.? How much longer is this guy going to leave? Is Kevin Durant going to be on his next team? It's all we ever talk about. And the reality is the number show we don't watch it as much anymore.

When I grew up, it was like Patrick Ewing was on the Knicks, Michael Jordan was on the Bulls, Gary Payton, was on the Sonics, John Stockton, Carl Malone, Hakeem Elijah one. You just had Cal Ripkin, right? Most of the players just stayed on a team for a long period. Now, you had guys move, guys get traded, but for the most part, you knew if that team wanted that player, he was going to stay.

And that helped. It just helps the brand of your sport. It helps build everything around it. And the NFL does a great job of being a team-first league. And it's like if Baker Mayfield becomes a star, And you're a Browns fan. You get to hold on to him for as long as he's a star. If you're a Bengal fan, you got, look at you got Carson Palmer.

He had to say, I'm not playing anymore. You were never going to let him go. If Joe Burrow is the next, you know, Drew Breeze or Peyton Manning, he'll be a Bengal forever. He'll have to retire it. If he really wants a forced way out, they'll never let him go. And the Chiefs are a great example of that with Mahomes. And the third thing.

Again, I'm biased because I've known this guy for, a decade. I had a chance to work with them for multiple years. Call him a friend. Brett Veach is one of the best general managers in the NFL. And I think Harry Roseman's the boss. I'm trying to think. Belichick is the boss.

They get to pick the players. Thomas Demetroff is the boss. He gets to pick the players. Jerry Jones gets to pick the players. There aren't that many general managers in the NFL they get to pick the players. John Schneider gets to pick the players, but he had to earn that right because Pete Carroll hired him. And I think oftentimes when a coach hires a GM, you think, you know, the coach is ultimately

picking the players. I see it here in my backyard with the Niners. Like, is John Lynch really picking the players? I like John Lynch. He's come on my other pod with Haberman before he's an impressive dude. I would hire John Lynch to be my GM, to be my CEO, to be any. Like, he is just, dude could do it at all. But is he really picking the, I'm not saying he doesn't have influence.

Like, is Mike Mayock really picking the players? grudness. Because typically the coaches have all the juice. When they hire the general manager, just a reality. They make way more than the GM. They, in their contract, have the decision-making power. Which is the way it works. I know for a fact, because he's told me this multiple times, I know he said this publicly, but I'm just, I just know this is the way it works, because I've talked to him on and off the record about it. Brett Veach is picking the players in Kansas City. Andy doesn't even want to do it, let alone he's empowered Brett, and they trust him to do it.

Why? Because Brett's really good. And the unique part of Brett and Andy's relationship is they speak the exact same language. And they did before he ever became a GM. It's why when he was pounding the table for Patrick Mahomes, he knew that Andy, once he got his eyes on him, would like him. Because he knows what he likes. Why, when he brings him Tyree Kill, when he brings him Nicole Hardiman, when he brings him the Honey Badger, like he knows Frank Clark for D. Ford.

Mitchell Schwartz extension. Like, they know what they're doing. And Brett knows what he's doing. But I don't think we typically talk about Brett Veach as one of the best general managers in the NFL. Maybe it's because he's the younger guy. Maybe it's because his coach is so famous. I think it's safe to say Andy would be considered the second best coach in the NFL right now beside Belichick. Maybe it's because Mahomes has become such a big star.

But I just, I do this for a living. I talk about GMs. I study these GMs. I know most of you guys listening, follow this stuff pretty closely. Brett Veach is one of the best general managers in the league. Like, he deserves a huge extension. If Andy left tomorrow, Brett Veach would be the guy asked to pick the next head coach. And if you were a Kansas City Chief fan, you should feel pretty good about that.

Because Brett knows how to pick players. He did it in Philadelphia, played a huge role in Deshaun Jackson, played a huge role in Shady McCoy. He obviously played a huge role in Kansas City. I know with guys like Marcus Peters well before, you know, Mahomes even showed up. and Andy trusts him I mean professionally with his football team but I mean personally with as much as you can trust a person

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and the ad council. Okay, I saw something and it really caught my eye and I think it's something that we all can relate to. Right? I couldn't in the NFL because, you know, working for Coach Reed and Howie and Lewis Riddick, like they had done basically everything they were asking me to do. So, and definitely when I worked at Fresno State for Pat Hill,

I mean the dude literally locked the building on his way home at like year 14 coaching the program. So, you know, when you work for people that have done everything possible in whatever, you know, business they're involved in, it's whatever they ask you to do, you never, you're like, yeah, he's done that too. So it's an easy thing to listen to. to. But when I worked in radio, and I had a boss that had no clue what was going on, and he would tell you something to do, and all of us, either on air, would just be like, what is he? This is the

stupidest thing we've ever heard. No one would do this. Now, there's naturally going to be some disagreement with, you know, authority figures, right, in any business. But we've all been in that situation where a middle manager who you're answering to has never done your job and tells you to do stuff that I think we'd all agree in whatever that is specifically asking people around you can relate to it you're like this is the stupidest shit I've ever heard and it's because they have no understanding of what they're telling you to do it's what makes bellichick so great right he's done everything he can coach every position He's been the GM, he's been the head coach, he's been a position coached, he's been a coordinator, he coached special teams.

Nothing he can't do. So when he tells a position coach to do it or a player, they know he knows what he's talking about. And that's rare, right? You know, I mean, there's only so many Belichick's. But it's just, it's pretty common, I would say, in most businesses. I mean, you see this, I've never been in a war, but I know I got some veterans listening. I'm sure sometimes you get information coming from a dude back at the base, when you're on the front lines, I've seen a lot of movies

where they're like, this guy's telling me to bust through the gate. There's seven dudes with gunstander right there. I would recommend going around and them telling you, and sometimes you have to make an executive decision, right? But in the NFL, Roger Goodell, and many of his business people that surround him are really smart. And I know the media shits on them. Listen, they're anti-business, they're anti-success.

they're anti-money. Unless, especially when they think politically, you're kind of different than them, because they do like Adam Silver, he can do no wrong. Even though he tweeted, where he said something in a statement, like last week, how he was like pro-China,

no one in the NBA media said a peep, not that shocking. Roger Goodell, if he would have said that, he would have been eviscerated, where people actually watch his league, but again, I'm pro in the NBA. I like the sport, but they're treated differently.

And I think Roger Goodell, the one thing, my big red flag on him, because he has made the NFL a ton of money. And I mean a ton of money. He has helped lead the NFL in the greatest economic time in the history of the league. And you can say, well, it would have happened anyway. I don't know. Because you would have said the NBA is about to take off like a rocket ship when Adam Silver took over from David Stern.

And that just hasn't been the case at all. So, you know, I'd have friends. that run and family members that run successful businesses. And the one thing they will tell you, and I don't think we've definitely learned it through the pandemic, no business is full proof. Now, we don't know how certain things or recession proof, how things are going to fail. But I say it all the time, if you would have told me that Vegas failed, I would have been like BS. They literally had to shut down their casinos for the pandemic.

Like, we saw that happen. I never would have believed, I didn't even know what a pandemic was four months ago. But speaking to pro football talk, and anonymous GM said the league's communication on the coronavirus has been virtually non-existent. Here's the problem for the NFL. You have to do everything under one umbrella, right? You have to make sure all the teams are following the same protocols.

But Roger Goodell and his cronies, they know television contracts. They know how to make high margins. They know how to sell jerseys. They know how to market the product on television and print cash, they know nothing about putting a practice script together or how meeting rooms work or how setting up training camp works. They have no clue.

Well, a huge part of setting up Corona protocols is understanding that, right? It's no problem for them to give advertising buybacks and change stuff around if they have to move the season around. They can do that with anybody. They will be more than flexible operating that way. But when it comes to, it's easy to write on a piece of paper. Make sure every player in a meeting room is six feet apart. Well, the coach would tell you,

we don't have that much square footage in a meeting room or make sure we do this at practice. And they would go, well, this isn't feasible. You know why? Because they've never been a player or coach. They have no clue. Now, there are a couple former players, like Merton Hanks in the front office of the NFL.

But the difference is, as a player, you just do what you're told. You don't ever think about, well, this is how it would be set up from a coaching and a front office standpoint. And I've seen some reports that the league is bracing for from going from 90-man rosters down to 75 during training camp because of the virus. I actually think that's going to be counterproductive. You're going to need more bodies because no one's practiced as a team for nine months or eight months. And guys are going to get not only corona, they're going to get. injured. We saw, I think, the most injuries that have happened over the last decade came in the lockout. So you're going to have a lot more injury. So it's easy to be like, well, just cut off 15 people

to limit the corona, you know, the ability for it to spread, which sounds good on paper. If I didn't know anything about a training camp or how it operates, I throw out the same statement. But when I think about it from someone that's been a part of carrying these free agent lists and when guys go down in training camp, flying them in and picking them up at the airport and signing them, You need a lot of bodies. There is a reason the GMs and the coaches pounded the table to expand the roster from 80 to 90. Because guys get hurt. You want to give guys rest.

And this is such an unprecedented time because guys have not been practicing besides their little throwing sessions on their own, which we know is not football. I mean, it is in the sense of it's like seven on seven. But practice, you do team stuff, you train with your teammates. It's a lot different. And I just, I'm not saying like they're doing. doing it out of, they're coming from a good place. They are trying to do everything possible to limit the ability for corona to spread with teams.

So you're going to follow all the protocols that you're reading everywhere else. But it might not be functional. And I've said for a while, just based on the statements from John Harbaugh, from Sean McVeigh, who said like it's impossible to social distance in football because it's true. Like it'd be easy for Roger Goodell, be like, no huddles are allowed. Well, it's easy for him to say that from his big-ass office in Park Avenue. Tell that to Belichick. Tell that to Kyle Shanahanhan. And again, I'm not anti, like sometimes you've got to change and adapt.

But, and I also read they were going to have a big conference call with the GMs and coaches. You need to get their input. You need to have part of putting together a plan, I would say, in any business, and definitely the military, is, is it functional? Like, you can't just be like, well, just climb that mountain. Someone might go, well, that mountain is unclimbable. We have to go around the mountain And unless you talk to a guy that actually can climb the mountain You wouldn't know, he's like, I'll just go over it

It's easy, just do this, do that I'm like, well, we can't sell that many cases Or we're going to sell 10 times that many cases And when you get people on the ground floor That tell you that that's feasible or not It helps you to kind of meet in the middle And be safe in a protocol that's actual possibly you know, able to be executed.

Because right now, if you just let Roger Goodell in the suits in Park Avenue drop these corona plans, it'll look great on paper. It's why every teacher I ever had in college, they were unreal with the charts. Supply, demand, you market this much, you sell the product, you're a millionaire. It's like, well, if you're this big of a genius, you're telling me this, why are you sitting here teaching me? Why aren't you out making the money? There's a reason most people that do do

Most people that can't teach And I'm not a shot of teachers I was more of a college professors Teachers, I'm a big fan of teachers I was friends with my college professors But they talk a big game Especially in the business world You know a lot of charts

A lot of theories A lot of this is really easy Well it's very black and white on the whiteboard No different than a football coach Drawn up a play Well it's easy to say just you know Hold off the defensive end.

And then the defensive end is Khalil Mack or Von Miller. You know, just sell this many products and then recession hits, right? Or marketing, you know, social media starts and television and radio disappears. Who know? Things change.

But you need to have communication. So when I see that the communication from the league office with their coaches and their GMs has been virtually non-existent, that's a problem. Because you have to get these guys input so you can put together protocols and, you know, put these teams in a situation to actually be successful with the virus.

Because if you just put it down on a paper, it'll look sweet. And it'll look good when they tweet it out. At NFL tweets out all the protocols and be like, oh, this is so safe they're going to do this. And then it'll be like, well, it's not possible to do this. Right. So I think the GMs and the coaches need to play a much bigger role in this. Okay, let's dive into something I saw today.

about the PAC 12. And I think no conference has been more negatively impacted, perception-wise, the last several years as West Coast, football and basketball. The PAC-12 is really, really struggled. Their network is, you know, invisible to most people. Even people on the West Coast, right, if you have DISH or DirecTV, you do not have it. I have Comcast, I get it, and I use it, you know, when big football games are going on. but the network's irrelevant.

It's been a complete failure. Their ability to get teams in the college football playoffs has struggled. I would have said when the college football playoff began, the Pac-12, the SEC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, were kind of all on equal playing footing. The SEC over the last seven, eight years, has gone to a different stratosphere. When Urban went to Ohio State,

and then they got Harbaugh, Penn State came back to, you know, national relevancy, Wisconsin with Chris, and Iowa still solid, like the Big Ten is easily the second best conference. Then the AC and Big 12, at least they have Oklahoma and Clemson, who make the playoffs and win national champions. The Pac-12 is in complete shambles. And it starts with the leadership. And I say it all the time is the SEC and the Big Ten and the Big 12.

And the ACC, they suck, but they do prioritize. sports. In the Pact 12 right now, we just don't. We prioritize academic first. And listen, it's college athletics, but if you're consumed with making money, you better go all in on football. And I tip my hat to Oregon. They have done that. Even the University of Washington has done a good job. Same with Utah. And they have been the best three programs over the last five or six years by a relatively wide margin. USC, UCLA in shambles. Just absolute shambles. Stanford had a really good run. It's just hard for them to maintain it because of their academic kind of excellence

and the recruiting aspect of it. But I read a story that the CEO board, which is basically the chancellors and the presidents, are thinking about firing Larry Scott, the commissioner of the PAC 12. And during this time of economic prosperity, the bid 10 is printing cash. the SEC is like Bank of America

Larry Scott the commissioner of the PAC 12 is somehow the highest paid commissioner of all the Power 5 commissioners that doesn't make any sense so think about that well then

during this recession and pandemic that everyone's had to take somewhat of a haircut right and you've seen a lot of companies if you make six figures I would imagine some people listening have been in past

If you have a contract with whatever said company you work for and you make over $100,000, a lot of companies I've read in all types of industries have done a mandatory 10% cut. The irony is you'd be better off making $99,000 than making $10,000 and taking that $10,000, you know, $10,000 and taking a $10,000. But, so if you make $110,000, you had to take a $10,000 pay cut, or excuse me, a 10% pay cut. Larry Scott makes $5.3 million, more money than any other commissioner. He took a 12% pay cut. And in the article I read basically just said, that's embarrassing. He should have taken about a 50% pay cut. But Larry Scott kind of feels like when you watch him,

He's like a perfect fit for academia. No wonder some of these presidents and chancellors of these West Coast elitist institutions love him. Because I wouldn't want him anywhere near my football or baseball or basketball programs for the life of me. And I definitely wouldn't pay him over $5 million. They have this studio that's in San Francisco, which I've been in and I've done some stuff for. It's really cool. But it doesn't make that much sense to be in San Francisco if you're the Pac-12. One, it's really, really expensive to operate here.

And the square footage they have in downtown San Francisco, it's super expensive. And the network isn't making any money. They have been losing cash for years. It should have been in Vegas. They could have picked countless, somewhere in Arizona. I get they went in the middle. But geographically, who cares? Go to where it's cheap and functional to be.

But regardless, the Pact 12, to me, should 100% fire this. individual. Because if this was the SEC or this was the Big Ten, there is no chance that Larry Scott would still be surviving and have his employment as the commissioner of the conference. Because football and money are too

important. They are the lifeblood now of college sports. And the PAC 12 is falling further and further behind all these other conferences. And I was thinking about this. Because you'd go, well, the thing with Oklahoma football or Ohio State football or Michigan football or, you know, the SEC teams, their fan bases are so big.

And I'd say one thing we battle out here on the West Coast is a lot of our big programs are in cities unlike the SEC or even the Big Ten where you're competing with pro teams. But here's what I do know is that the pro cities like Seattle, the Bay Area, Los Angeles, Arizona have huge fan bases for their teams. like the Lakers are arguably the second biggest brand in America behind the Yankees. Right? The 49ers are a top five NFL brand. The Seattle Seahawks have become huge.

And clearly the passion for sports out west is really big. But here's the key. Unlike a lot of these other areas and the SEC, and I think the Northeast is like this with their pro teams, like the Red Sox or the Phillies or the Eagles or the Yankees, even when they suck, people care. the one thing that binds us on the West Coast, we do not care when your teams lose.

When the 49ers are 4 and 12, people don't pay attention. We do not hate watch the teams out here. When the Lakers suck, the ratings plummet. And with the Phillies, if they go 500, people are taking it in at high rates in Philadelphia. Out here, it's not the case. The Giants were terrible last year. Nobody watched.

Historic low ratings. Because we got too much to do. The sun, just the culture out here. But when you win, even in college, look at Oregon. They've been winning now for two decades. Place is always packed. Always. When Pete Carroll had SC rolling, the Dodgers, the Kobe was there.

It didn't matter. That place was humming. When Cal wins under Jeff Tedford, that place is sold out in Memorial Stadium. Grew up going there. Cool environment. The Washington Huskies, when they've had a really good team, that place is rocking and rolling up there. But you've got to win.

Utah's been really good. the last couple years, that place, I think Rice Echle Stadium is what they call it, is a big time, you know, it's a tough place to play. And I think the SEC and the Big Ten are good examples of they understand the importance. Now, the commissioner can only do so much. And one thing Larry Scott has said, and he's not necessarily wrong, I don't hire and fire coaches. I'm not the guy recruiting these players. That is on the individual programs. And I would agree. But to me, you are the top of the food chain. And you are the guy to turn. and forcing the importance of the almighty dollar and the conference.

And when I watch the SEC, I just go, God damn, they treat their product like the NFL. When I watch the Big Ten, I think the same thing. When I watch Oklahoma football and Texas football, Texas sucks. I just know they care a lot. They do everything. I don't feel that out here. Really the only program that I feel every chip is in the middle of the table right now is Oregon. maybe Utah too, given their resources.

And I think it starts at the top. And I don't necessarily have a solution to this. I just know this guy has to go. And you need to get an individual who understands the West Coast, but bring... Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, Wreck,

my mama want you to weigh better. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. That big, you know, conference mindset. We're here to be massive.

If that means getting linked up with ESPN, if that means getting linked up with Fox, whatever you have to do, you have to be available in 2020 to everybody. It's why podcasts are wiping out radio. They're the easiest thing to, you just press a button on your phone and you listen. Radio like, what's the channel?

Where are these guys? I go out of market, can I hear it? Boom, podcast, boom. Stream, boom, press a button, stream. The SEC, it's really, I can just find their product really. I don't know where the Pact 12 is. And I live in Pact 12 country. So they need to get a guy, a heavy hitter from one of these conferences.

I don't pretend to know, you know, the next Nick Sabin of commissioners, but it's timed up your game. It's time to get rid of this guy who just gave himself a 12% pay cut in the middle of a pandemic when his conference is in shambles. Shameful, embarrassing, a joke. But that's what elitists do. They beat to their own drum. He doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.

He probably thinks he's crushing it. Why wouldn't he? He's making more money than everyone else. I'd probably think that too. So would you. Well, I'll promise you. From an outside perspective, You're not crushing it, Larry.

You're an embarrassment. And if you were in a conference that truly valued football, and listen, this is going to be an uphill battle for whoever takes over this conference. The presidents out here don't quite understand it. Clearly in the SEC, the guy at Bama, the guy at LSU, the guy at A&M, the guy at Florida, the guy at Georgia, they understand. When football crushes, so does the school. Your enrollment goes up, your money flow goes up, everyone wins.

We don't quite get that on the West Coast. It pains me because I'm a football and a sport lover. And when I was growing up, the Pack 12 was the real deal. We produced teams that competed for national championships in both basketball and football. We no longer do that. It pains me. I'm rooting for the conference to get back.

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It's hard to do that if you're KC. It's hard not to do that if you're KC, but damn, if he gets hurt. Yeah, I mean, just don't have a choice. You know, it's technically 12 years because it's an extension. So he's got two more years and then 10 years. Now, as of right now, the numbers are kind of all over the place. I think I said 450 earlier, 480, 500, whatever. We know how NFL contracts work.

I'm not overreacting the numbers. I think the number that I saw 140 in true guarantees, which would be the highest guarantee in the history of the league. And at the end of the day, if you're a quarterback and you're good, you play out your contract. Joe Flacco played out his contract. Derek Carr played out his contract. You know, Eli Manning forever played out his contract.

He's going to get a lot of money, and he deserves it. It's just the risky part of doing these long contracts. I don't know what else you do it. You probably do the longer deal more because, for cap reasons. How many Super Bowls do Patrick and Andy win during the 10-year contract? Well, I would guess they got a decent chance. I would take the over under it, I'd put it at one and a half the next five years

and think they have a chance to win two out of the next five years. five years. So they basically win three in, you know, in what, seven years? That'd be a pretty good Patriot-like run if he can get two more. And you have three championships. You know, Peyton's, or excuse me, Brady's 6, let's just say that's unattainable. Just look at other elite quarterbacks. Montana's got four, Elway's got two, Manning's got two. You know, Eli, it's not an elite quarterback, but he has two. You know, a lot of guys, Breeze has one. Russell has. one.

I'm trying to think of some Rothesberger. Yeah, he's got two. I think a fair goal for Mahomes in his career would be three. I mean, Elway's arguably like the third or fourth best quarterback ever in is, too. Same with Manning. So to me, if you get three, I think you could go, Patrick Mahomes is like the better version of Aaron.

Aaron Rogers has one. So I'd say the goal would be three. I mean, the goal is to win it every year, of course. But yeah, I'd say three is an attainable number. What sort of trade compensation would it take for the Browns depart with Najoku? Also, the Hooper signing bad in that regard, I think in the NFL you just try to sign good players, and they got Austin Hooper for $21 million,

or maybe it was $22 million guaranteed. Just a numbers game. The value there is too great. I think today it came out. someone tweeted or maybe the Browns said or released a statement. Like, he's in their plans. This is not the NBA. Players don't dictate the terms.

Teams and coaches trade you when they want to trade you. So if they like them, he'll stay. If they don't, they'll trade him. It kind of sucks for him. But it doesn't. I mean, their offense should be really good. It's got Jarvis Landry, O'Dell Beckham, all the running backs. Like, they should be dynamic.

Does the new Patrick Mahomes deal mean that Chris Jones definitely is getting traded? will this mean the Chiefs will only be able to sign two and a half three-star players after Hill and Kelsey's contracts are up? You know, I think there's so much up in the air. True money, how much he's making per year, how the cap goes up. You know, the NFL, even like Frank Clark,

who I think got like $60 million, maybe it was 70, it's technically like a two and a half year contract. So you can finagle and wiggle yourself out of, contracts. The key is if Mahomes is sweet, he's going to dominate and the team's going to be really good. It's just that simple. Aaron Rogers made huge money for a decade. They built really good teams around him. So it's just, to me, the pressure is just on Mahomes to maintain being an elite player and they'll be fine. In the light of the potential Redskins name change,

shot out to the Bulls Jordan documentary. Dennis Rodman played college for southeastern Oklahoma state savages. Now they are called the savage storm. Not the greatest name ever. That's a good little nugget there. So with all this outrage over politics, I see it pouring over into the NFL. What's your take on all the Black Lives Matter

being placed on jerseys and changing names of teams? Seems a little over the top for me. I think there should be a separation between politics and sports. Love the show, don't ever miss a pod. I don't really know what the Black Lives Matter. It's going to be in the NBA. They're going to, I think, put it on the court. I don't necessarily see that happening in the NFL.

I think they're clearly going to allow the players to kneel. It doesn't bother me. I get how people are bothered. I no longer really get triggered over political stuff. You know, when it comes to sports, I'm just kind of numb to it. So I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Because I don't get offended at the offended. Like, I'm not offended by the Redskins.

My simple take is I don't give a shit And if you do, I get it I just, that's fine If they want to change the name, cool, it doesn't bother me One way or the other I think the Redskins are kind of irrelevant

If they want to change it to the Washington Warriors Or whatever, that's fine with me You know, if a player is passionate about a cause Like it doesn't really affect me I do think it does impact people though And I don't think you're alone And I think the media struggles with that a lot of people that consume sports,

and when I say consume, if you watch, you're making them money because sports are generated now off television ratings. I think the NBA is a good example of they got really, really political the last like five years. Their ratings are in the tank. And I also think one of their problems

is they're pretty big hypocrites. Like, they're in bed with China. And Adam Silver, China is running concentration camps. I read an article last week about the racism that goes on over there. about the African community, it was eye-opening. The China government is bad. Like, really bad.

I didn't know that much about it until the NBA scandal hit, and I've just read some articles. I was like, Jesus. And so it's hard for me to take the NBA seriously. Because I know at the end of the day, if you run a business, the number one thing you care about is money. That's why I don't even take the NBA that seriously. They talk about politics all the time.

They care about money more than anything. That's why they refuse to denounce China. Because they love money. And it's really hard for me to take businesses seriously when they get into politics. The one thing they care about, first and foremost, is money. Unless you run a charity and you run a business, the bottom line is about profit. It's why a lot of businesses, like all the tech companies, love acting to be quote-unquote really progressive. Like Mark Zuckerberg, you buy out companies left and right.

You don't give a shit. You can't even hardly pretend to. Now, if a player wants to have an opinion, like, that's fine. Every person should have their own opinion. I'm a big believer in think whatever you want to think. See, most of the media does not believe that. Most of the media wants you to think like they think. I got no problem.

If you're really liberal, you're really conservative, whatever. Like, being woke is not being anti-racism. Being anti-racism is just anti-racism. Right? But there is a level in a line of just politically correct on just a lot of issues that I just don't think a lot of people care about. And I think it

becomes a really big deal on social media and I think most people in the real world are not consumed with it. Most people in the real world and here's the problem going to be this fall. We're in the middle of a pandemic and we're in the middle of a recession. We've lost 40 million jobs

over a three-month period, historic amount of lost workers in that period of time. And people aren't going to want to get lectured on how they're a bad person. Because I was telling someone this weekend, I think my generation, I'm 35 years old and younger, again, I'm not saying that everyone is perfect, and there are areas in this country that are definitely bad,

and there are people that, you know, are racist. But I think my generation is dramatically different than my parents' generation, when it comes to skin color and tolerance. But I also see a lot of frauds, like California loves acting like they're really progressive, are richest neighborhoods that are quote unquote the most liberal,

refuse to build low-income housing. We have historic amount of poverty here. No one does anything. They drive right by the homeless people every day. Don't even look at them. They don't care. So I think there's a balance of real-world stuff and then what we hear from athletes about stuff that impacts them.

Like I've said over and over. I've had issues over the years where I've just being immature, yelled at... Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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you're afraid? Because that's two different. bro absolutely and that that's two different levels of trust i want you to just really be a good person join me keer gains is we have real conversations about healing growth fatherhood pressure and purpose on my new podcast learn the hard way open your free iHeart radio app search learn the hard way and listen now what's up guys this is clivert taylor the fourth and on my podcast the clivert show i'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff like being an internet famous referee we're in the middle of a game This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

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Ops. Maybe yelled would be strong, but gotten in, like, confrontations arguments when I got pulled over. Because I don't even think about it. I'm just a white guy. And I had an issue probably a month ago where I started arguing with a cop. I was kind of illegally parked and going to an ATM, and I realized like, God, I just argued with this guy. I was in the wrong. A lot of people, you know, it's a big thing, the Black Lives Matter, from my perception, what they're fighting for is like, they can't do that because they might get shot. I didn't even think twice that I would get shot.

Like, that shit's real. Like, it's not even arguable. And I don't even think about that. Now, luckily, it was, like, happening in America, I kind of, I almost apologized to the police officer because I was in the wrong. And shit, if you wanted to, you could have arrested me.

Like, it wasn't that big a deal. I mean, I was just illegally parked. But the way I acted like, who the hell do you think you are? And that's, why people can't act like that. Like, it's not even debatable at this point. Now, there are elements of, like, you know, my issue with the political stuff in general,

and I've said this over and over and over again, is acting like it's black and white. Like, oh, just put Joe Biden in office. Everything will change. No, it won't. That's not true at all. Look at these progressive states. California is a great example. Nothing changes.

Who do you think we've created historic poverty? Socioeconomically, who do you think's been impacted the most? So to think that everything just changes when Democrats get involved, that's not true. Here's my take. Neither side gives a shit. One side just is better at pretending they do about poor people and, you know,

a lot of these movements. And it becomes so big on social media where luckily a lot of people in real life, especially in the business community, and I know a lot of you guys that listen to our businessmen, I know we have some women, but the majority of the listeners are men, know just how fraudulent everything is.

And I think social media has become a place where everyone can just get up on their moral high horse and say things and they don't live their life like that. So it just, I do understand where sports fans, I guess it's a long-winded way, just don't want to see it with their, you know, with sports. But the reality is in 2020, it's going to be part of it. I do think the messenger matters.

It's a huge problem for the NBA. Like, you can't be in bed with China and then lecture me on how to live my life. You know, but if you get up from a point of, you're just a really good guy and you have a spotless track record. I do think it resonates more with people. It just does. Like LeBron James is created a school.

He's done a lot of good things. He refused to budge from China. Why? Because the majority of his cash comes from China. And I think that rubs people the wrong way. And I think that my whole thing is like people are allowed to be offended by that. Like, I'm a big believer in diversity of thought. People should not all be thinking the same.

Now, again, you're asking someone that's just, just not offended by anything, you know. And when I mean that, like, like the Washington Redskins, if they want to change the name, change the name. It just doesn't even mean anything to me. Not that I just don't even care. I don't have the energy. What I realized in my older years is I don't have the energy

to be triggered and offended by everything. I'm too busy trying to make money for my partners, trying to gain new sponsors, trying to produce content, trying to expand business-wise, you know, have a personal life, a dating life, play golf, be happy. I don't know how the media is so miserable.

And I'll tell you, because most of them just aren't that great at their job. They're just miserable people in general. They don't even, I don't think a lot of them like their job that much. Like, I'm lucky. I like my job. I hate being miserable. And the one thing is, like, you want to change these teams' names, do it. But I can't pretend like, I'm not triggered or,

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I'm going to disagree there. He's had very few standout draft picks in recent years and rarely as good draft classes in general. his solo focus on only signing football guys his free agent has left his team unathletic causing the AB desperation. Is it fair to say that he's had to rely on his coaching ability to keep the dynasty going?

If he had Ozzie Newsom or Howie Roseman, would he have won 10? Thanks, keep the pods coming. I don't think it's fair to say that. The NFL is so hard to win in general. He has drafted a lot of good players. Just look at the last decade. Obviously Hernandez turned out to be a murderer.

but that was a really good pick. Grankowski's a Hall of Famer. He's drafted Logan Mankins, Richard Seymour, Devin McCordy, Hightower. He drafted Jamie Collins, Thuney, you know, I'm trying to think, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissette, like that netted him a second and third round pick

for trading those guys, Annie used him. Julian Edelman, he signed Chris Hogan. Like, he makes good moves. He signed Stefan Gilmore. Like, they've been to nine Super Bowls in two decades. That is incredible. I don't know if they would have been able to go to more just because they would have had a quote-unquote GM.

I really don't. The year I started watching football, Gibral-Peppers went off at Michigan, but his NFL career is kind of overwhelming. You think he'll turn into a pro-ball safety the many of us thought he would be or is he headed toward a mediocre NFL career? Full disclosure, I haven't really studied him.

I think one problem when you get a guy like him. He's not a true player in space. so you need him in the box. Well, there's never been less impactful safeties now in the box because the game is played, spread, and in space. So I just think the game is not,

you know, it doesn't benefit his skill set. Like, to be a huge impact player. Like, if you put Cam Chancellor in 2020, he would not be the Cam Chancellor that we saw in 2011, 2012, 2012, 2013. There was just more space. I mean, just more ability to lay with the wood

and hit. and I think it's a problem for any quote-unquote box safety. I think it's ultimately Jamal Adams undoing. If he could do both at an elite level, he's an elite player in the box. Is the elite player in space, no. If he was, I think he'd be viewed as like Ed Reed, and every team in the league would want to be trading for him right now.

That's not the way he's viewed. He's a great run stuffer. He's a great blitzer. I pay my DBs to cover and pick the ball off. and I think that's at the end of the day, Jabriel Pepper's downfall. Is it me or are people sleeping on Sean McVeigh that he's reached the playoffs in his first two seasons and last season was down year?

Is there any chance he becomes the league the best coach in the league post Belichick? I would say it's going to be a little challenging because Andy Reid's now equipped to dominate if Belichick were to retire. Sean Payton's not going anywhere. Kyle Shanahan's team is much more complete. Kyle Shanahan also benefits from having Parag Marathi, who is a cap wizard. Less Need and Kevin Deemoff are awful at the cap. It's why the L.A. Rams constantly signed terrible contracts and are in cap hell all the time.

So part of being a good coach, you do need a good cap manager and slash GM. And I'd say Sean McVeigh does not have that. Andy has that. Sean, excuse me, Sean Payton has that. Pete Carroll's had that with John Schneider. I think that's Sean McVeigh's kind of downfall right now. Now, is he an excellent coach? Hell yeah.

He's in his mid-30s. His worst year so far as a head coach is 9 and 7. And if he would have had that year this upcoming year, he would have made the playoffs. So I'm a big believer in Sean McVeigh. I think he's a really impressive guy. I'd like to be friends. I'd like to drink beers with him.

I'd love to talk football. I think he's going to be an elite coach for a long time. Now, can he be, quote, unquote, the best coach in the NFL? I don't know if he can do that with less neat. and whoever he has running his cap, whether that's Kevin D. Moff or whoever they have. Because right now they've just, they've blown way too many things for even Belichick

wouldn't be able to overcome it. And tying yourself to Jared Goff, I'm a big Jared Goff fan, but he's pretty, you know, dependent on his offensive line. And right now their offensive line is atrocious. So they're in a division with the 49ers who have a big-time defensive line.

You got Chandler Jones, Seattle always just finds ways to mess with you. It's just going to be a challenge. Appreciate everyone listening. And again, subscribe to the podcast, leave a review. I appreciate everyone doing that. Have a great week, and I'll talk to you a little later.

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