The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Watt Where?!? Alex Smith Truth Hurts; Russ Ain't Got It THAT Bad; Jim Harbaugh's QB Incompetence; Mailbag

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

In this episode, John looks at JJ Watt signing with the Cardinals and why he thinks they overpaid, why Washington doesn't deserve blame for parting ways with Alex Smith, why Russell Wilson doesn't hav...e it as bad as he thinks, why there's no excuse for Jim Harbaugh's compete incompetence in recruiting QB's, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:37 World. We actually had breaking news on Monday. A guy named Jay, Jay Watt, has a new team. Some thoughts there. Alex Smith, not happy. A couple more thoughts on the Russell Wilson situation. The free agent market. 17 games is basically unofficially official. It looks like all 16 AFC teams will host the week 17 next year. And Jim Harbaugh. Saw something today that just made me shake my head and it's pretty understandable why he's in the predicament that he's in and not winning. He has a quarterback problem. And other than that, if you could,
Starting point is 00:04:15 would greatly appreciate it. Leave that little review on the Apple iTunes. It really helps with everything we are doing here. And yeah. Okay, let's dive into the news, the breaking news of the day. J.J. Watt signs with the Arizona Cardinals. and I'll be the first to admit I was shocked, stunned. I mean, I'm rarely jaw open, but when I saw that,
Starting point is 00:04:44 I had to do a double take, I had to see if he was playing with people. I didn't believe it at first. Clearly, it's official. He's going to the Arizona Cardinals. Two things jump out to me immediately. One, the Cardinals vastly overpaid. They're somewhat desperate. They haven't made the playoffs for a while.
Starting point is 00:05:04 They should have made the playoffs last year. They fell apart. Their defense isn't very good. They gave an older player money that no other team would have. Sometimes when you're desperate, what do they say in business? Desperate people usually make the worst deals. You usually want to make deals from the position of, you know, security, of not happy, where you can always walk away.
Starting point is 00:05:27 The Cardinals clearly overpaid here. The JJ Watt angle, as someone who aspires to move to the Scottsdale Tempey, area and who plans on moving there in the next 18 months for a lot less than $23 million, I can't blame him. That's a boatload of money. He was scheduled to make $17.5 million. I don't think most good teams wanted to pay him more than $5, $6 million and then incentivize the rest.
Starting point is 00:05:54 The Packers, the bills, teams like the chiefs and the bucks, were never, ever giving him this type money. I don't care what gets leaked. There's a reason the Cardinals had to pay this much, because it's a reason. They're not a winning team, and they have to overpay for a guy like this. And listen, me personally, part of being super rich is you can make decisions not based strictly on money. JJ's made 100 on the field, probably made 20 to 50 million off it. I mean, he's made a ton off it.
Starting point is 00:06:25 50 may be high, but 25, 30, 40, he's made a ton of money. Money is not, he has generational wealth. It's really quick. The media throws around that term, you don't need to have $100 million to have generational wealth. If I give a smart guy at $10 million, that's generational wealth. You can invest in a couple real estate deals, put some money away, earn the interest off a couple million dollars. It's not that complicated. You can gain generational wealth from way less money than JJ Watt just signed forward,
Starting point is 00:06:54 let alone that he's already earned. He has an unlimited amount of money. He made more. I understand it. Because if his best offer was five to eight, million dollars they offered four times that listen who am i to tell a man to turn down that type money and i'm not now i would say j j you're not going to win here they don't win they have a coach that does not win hit the evidence is in cliff kingsbury cannot win that it's not even
Starting point is 00:07:23 disputable nice guy good looking guy hard worker spread offense just ain't working this franchise I think the moment JJ Watt officially signed, and I saw he tweeted out a picture, Bidwell is also a pilot, took his private jet, which he flew to pick J.J. and his wife up. Probably pretty cool. I actually kind of like Michael Bidwell. People always kind of shit on the Bidwell family growing up
Starting point is 00:07:52 because the Cardinals were a joke. I think it was his dad. Bidwell feels like a very, very smart, high-level guy. It feels like a pretty good owner. They've had a lot of success under him, right? went to the Super Bowl with Ken Wisenhut and Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald. Years later, they hired Kime and they get Bruce Ariens.
Starting point is 00:08:08 They start winning again. That franchise, when I was growing up out here on the West Coast, laughing stock. Complete joke. Viewed as cheap. This guy's not. This guy's impressive. Now, I think the moment JJ Watts signed,
Starting point is 00:08:22 the clock and the pressure is on, on two individuals. Cliff Kingsbury and the general manager, Steve Kahn. If they do not make the playoffs this year, I think both guys get fired. Because you look at what they've accumulated and acquired the last couple years, right? They draft Kyler Murray. Boom.
Starting point is 00:08:41 They had a top 10 pick last year. They chose to take Isaiah Simmons over several players who were sweet. They get a gift because Bill O'Brien's crazy, and they get DeAndre Hopkins for a second round pick. Now they have JJ Watt. They're going, we need to make the playoffs. That's what this signings. says. I'll give you extra money to
Starting point is 00:09:02 to give probably way too much money to an older player, but his leadership, his veteran presence, all that stuff, I get it. You bring him in, high-level guy. Playoffs are bust. Because you're still, like, you have the worst coach in the division. Pete, Kyle McVeigh, not arguable.
Starting point is 00:09:23 But other than that, like, you have as much talent as all these other teams. Like, the talent on the Cardinals is really, really good. If I told you that Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVey was the coach of the Arizona Cardinals, we go, oh, they'll win nine games, they'll win 10 games, they'll be in the playoffs. Yet Cliffs their coach, we go,
Starting point is 00:09:42 I don't see it. And that is back to the amount of money. They had to give JJ Watts so much money. Because listen, we all have a price. Even back to what I was saying about the best part about being super rich is being able to say no to things, But even when you're super rich, people bring you offers or bring you opportunities,
Starting point is 00:10:03 it gets to a point where you're almost stupid saying, though. Because let's say hypothetically the Packers had said, listen, JJ, we want you to come home, try to win a ring with Aaron Rogers, and you'll be a legend. You'll be an absolute legend. You will be considered the missing piece that helped the Packers get over the hump. And he goes, awesome. I want to play with Rogers. I want to play with Devante.
Starting point is 00:10:27 I want to be a green bay packer. How much? And they go, well, JJ, we'll give you a one-year deal, $5 million guaranteed, and we'll incentivize it. If you play in 16 games, if you make a pro ball, if you get double-digit sacks, we got no problem paying you market value. That number will go up to another $10 to $12 million in guarantees.
Starting point is 00:10:50 So basically get back to your $17 million number that you would have made in Houston this year. That's what we are prepared to. to do. Because if I was putting myself in the winning organizations, that would be what they were thinking about. They would never in a million years thinking about giving him $23 million
Starting point is 00:11:07 guaranteed. A guy that before 2020 had been missing games in every single season. Many of those seasons, a ton of games. Now, good player, plays hard on the wrong side of 30, but still is a very, very productive player. The Cardinals, when you're
Starting point is 00:11:25 desperate team, you give $23 million guaranteed. So there's a chance that the good teams were offering them, you know, five to eight, right, guaranteed millions and with a ton of incentives. And he basically took three, four, five times that to go to a team that he's probably not going to win at. Now, you can argue, listen, you're never guaranteed to win a Super Bowl. He'd go to the Packers and they could go 9 and 7. Rogers would get hurt.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Nothing is guaranteed in life. So even if he had gone to the Packers or the Bills, it would have been applauded like by fans and social media and people have been like, God, he's in a winning environment. There's no guarantee he's going to the playoffs next year, even on a team that looks dramatically better than the Cardinals. And you could put the argument that, like,
Starting point is 00:12:08 the Cardinals have enough talent to make the playoffs. But, like I've talked about pretty consistently, I'm betting against their head coach, I'm betting against their defensive coordinator, and even their quarterback who, it's not, you can't argue that his physical attributes work in the NFL. He's incredibly fast. His arm strength is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:12:29 When he's in rhythm and playing well, he looks awesome. He's a legitimate NFL quarterback. You can win with him. But the size, which 20, 30 years ago, no one would have taken him number one overall because he was, you know, you could argue like a shade over 5-8. He's tiny for NFL standards.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Russell Wilson's tiny by NFL standards, and he's got Kyler by a couple inches. And if you've ever stood around Russell, Russell is thick. He's built like a little tank. Kyler's slender. Now, he's way faster than Russell, and he's got the elite speed.
Starting point is 00:13:02 But we saw this year, I think it was Seattle on Thursday night, when Kyler got slammed into the ground, he was never the same the rest of the season. And I'm not a Kyler hater. I think he works in the NFL. But I do question if he can sustain play because of his eyes. So there's just a risk, like a big part of it, JJ goes, I think Kyler can be a really good player.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Well, what if he gets hurt? And he's a guy you would say is more inclined to get injured just because of his statue. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
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Starting point is 00:17:19 Like I said, I never judge anyone on worse. Because he kept, I want to go where you win, I want to win, I want to win, and then he goes to the Cardinals. Like, listen, I judge you on your actions. I love money as much as the next guy. So I'm not, I get it. But no one can cry for this guy if they go 6 and 10. He's going to be a really rich 6 and 10 player. I think that's fair to assume.
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Starting point is 00:19:34 He had a good interview with Alex Smith, where Alex was talking about the dysfunction and just his time with Harbaugh before Harbaugh with the Niners, getting traded to the Chiefs. And if anyone's seen Alex's E-60, it is one of the most heart-wrenching. gut-wrenching and inspiring all-in-one documentary-type things with an athlete you'll ever see. And listen, having followed his career very closely, what he went through with the Niners before Harbaugh get here with a bozo like Mike Singletary, who's the worst coach maybe ever.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I mean, honestly, like Hugh Jackson, Tom Sula, those guys are better than Singletary. As Mayoko said, Matt Mayoko covers the 49ers. because I remember asking him like during the Tom Sulla year I'm like have you ever seen anything like this he's like oh yeah this isn't even close the Singletary year tops at all and Singletary was dropping his trousers at half time to inspire was like calling out Alex Smith on game day in front of the team for toughness I mean it was crazy complete disaster
Starting point is 00:20:39 Alex toughness no one can ever take away Alex his grit his determination is second to none in the history of sports His leg almost fell off. He went to rehab where wounded warriors go. Had to have the Pentagon and people high up in the government sign off on him to go there. And he went and it was, it's incredible. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend going to watch it.
Starting point is 00:21:09 But I think sometimes a story and a headline can draw us all in. We are all suckers is the wrong word. but we all have a, I think every single human being, unless you're just a complete psychopath and nut job, has part of our body that has an immense amount of compassion for anyone who's been in some sort of accident that they had no control over. Car accidents, falling accidents, an accident like Alex had where he got this bacteria in his leg playing football.
Starting point is 00:21:43 I think the overwhelming majority of human beings, I always say this is about human beings in general. I think we've gone through this last year where a lot of people get talked about like they're being bad people. The overwhelming majority of people are good people. Like most people that you come across in life, any sociate, whether you're rich, poor, middle class, whatever, are just normal good people. I believe that to my core. And I think we all, when we see something with Alex, most of us, the overwhelming majority of people have the same reaction. Like, God, I'm pulling for this guy.
Starting point is 00:22:13 We naturally pull for this guy. He's the easiest story to pull for. It's like you're going to get universal agreement, right? And everyone, when he came back, and I'm someone who, after watching that thought, like, Alex, just thinking this in my head, like, you're crazy, man, just retire, you have more money than you know what to do with. What are you doing this for? But who am I to tell that to someone?
Starting point is 00:22:35 Who am I to tell someone to stop playing? Right? Who are any of us to tell anyone to stop playing? Now, I think sometimes if you're like Peyton Manning, like an all-time great player, it's like, Peyton, I don't want to watch you throw balls into the dirt, and ultimately he retired, right? Drew Bree's, like, why is he retiring? Because he's not as good as he once was.
Starting point is 00:22:51 I think it's easier with great players. But any fringe player, you should have, they should drag you off the field. What, because your career is going to end at 32 instead of 34? You got the rest of your life to you. So I'll never tell anyone to stop playing. But I think the Alex Smith story has become better than the Alex Smith, the player.
Starting point is 00:23:10 And Alex Smith said a bunch of things to GQ, how the Redskins, excuse me, the Washington football team, didn't want them. never really wanted him, even though it's kind of BS because I read Albert Breer reported and he's right, that they had him mentoring Dwayne Haskins. Ultimately, when they benched Dwayne Haskins, Alex came in. Like, they had paid him the last couple years, as they should have. I'm not saying they like, they deserve a cookie for that. But they did a lot of things well. For all, we can crap on the organization all we want and trust me, they get drugged through the mud just
Starting point is 00:23:43 about more than any organization in all the sports. I think the way they handled this Alex Smith situation, at least from my perspective, was very commendable and was very high level, especially this year. They even gave the opportunity for him to come back. He ended up playing, starting multiple games. And this is where I'm saying his story then became better than the play, because he's not any good anymore. Why? He never had a great arm.
Starting point is 00:24:09 A huge part of Alex's success with Andy in Kansas City when he really took off. Like he became a solid starter, Harbaugh, got like the train back on the tracks. Andy then created a high-level NFL starter. You know, probably somewhere between like 8 to 12. But you could definitely, if your team was good enough, you go to the playoffs every year. And a big part of that was not because of his arm. His arm is average. Now, he's really accurate, but he's also really athletic.
Starting point is 00:24:37 That was a huge part of Alex. He was big and he was athletic. He could move because he was never throwing bombs. Hell, he was never throwing it like 25 yards down the field. But athleticism was a huge part of his game. And then this leg injury that he came back from, he cannot move anymore. He was a liability when you watched him play.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Honestly, I remember the game that Haskins or I can't even remember the quarterback got caoed, maybe it was Kyle Allen. He comes in in the second half. They're playing the ramps. And he got sacked a bunch and Aaron Donald's jumping on his back. I remember sitting on my couch, you know, it was middle of the season or early, you know, week six, seven, eight, somewhere in there. Thinking like, I feel bad.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Like, Aaron Donald, do not hurt this guy. That's what's going through my head because he could not move. He could not avoid pressure. And that's a huge part of his game. So when the Washington football team releases him today, they're not the bad guy. Because, listen, once you take the onion back on the incredible story and the incredible comeback, this is a bottom line business. like most industries, and there comes to a point.
Starting point is 00:25:47 It'd be one thing right if they were paying him a million dollars. Like, I'll keep him around. He was scheduled to make $19 million. Not only is he not a starter, I don't even view him as a backup. I saw somewhere on social media today, someone put out his advanced analytics, like yards per play, effectiveness per play, some of the advanced stuff, they were terrible. He was God awful.
Starting point is 00:26:10 and I think you can separate the person, the player that was pre-injury, incredible story, incredible high-level guy, man-of-the-year type. I know the Chiefs guy, Andy loves Alex Smith. To this day, Patrick Mahom still mentions him when talking about his success. It shows you the impact he had on people there.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And any 49er fan will say what he did the first year of Harbaugh, leading them to the NFC or the NFC champion, championship game. Now, he didn't complete a third down in that game against the Giants, but nothing but respect for the guy. He is a certified badass. I'm watching that E-60, as I'm sure if any of you that listened had to, had to be thinking yourself, I don't know if I could do this. I might have just thrown in the white flag. I don't know how we got through this. We're all thinking the same thing, because like I said, most of us humans have the same reaction to this stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:07 we have compassion when it comes to these accidents and these injuries. We all do. It's something we all share. But then when you get back to kind of the reality of, okay, is he starting quarterback? Is he even worth having on a roster? Then I think we get up for debate. And you've got to separate the two because this is a very polarizing individual.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Because everyone just naturally is going to root for him. And the problem is, even as I bet Ron Rivera, Ron Revere just beat cancer. The dude literally coached the season with cancer. was going to get treatments during the season would be so exhausted some games he'd take a nap in the locker room before they couldn't even go out on the field
Starting point is 00:27:47 in pregame warmups. Too tired. And I've met Ron and anyone knows Ron way better than I do in the league. I mean, he's like the highest character guy in the league. This guy's not kicking him to the curb. He's just simply not even close to being good enough anymore. You can't play with him. As sad as this sounds,
Starting point is 00:28:06 I don't even know if he's an NFL quarterback anymore. Now, who am I to tell Alex at? He should keep trying to play, and he will. I do believe, though, this guy's not going to be in the league come this fall. Because I think when you watch him, you question can he protect himself? Because a huge part of his game was moving. So I know this gets shaped sometime if you see this story that the Washington football team, who historically have been the bad guy,
Starting point is 00:28:29 have been the idiots, have been the low-level operation. Not here. Honestly, I think since Ron's been there, they've been pretty important. impressive. Just the way they handled Haskins, the way they kicked Haskins of the curb. That's what high-level organizations do. It's not easy to do something like this with Alex. And listen,
Starting point is 00:28:46 I can't speak. Clearly, he came out with some pretty bold words, and maybe he's really mad. And I don't blame him. Put a lot into it. But he just, he's simply not good enough anymore. Okay, let's touch on a little, really quick Russell Wilson. And I heard
Starting point is 00:29:03 watching a YouTube, or maybe with someone I followed on Instagram. It was an Instagram. You know, I follow some... Instagram follows. I bet if we broke down everyone's Instagram follows, mine would be outrageous. Like, everything from pro athletes
Starting point is 00:29:20 to former presidents to business leaders to just chicks that are naked to inspirational quotes from successful people. I mean, it's all over the map. Like, you couldn't... If you were trying to figure me out from my Instagram follows, you'd have a hard time because I got a little bit of everything.
Starting point is 00:29:39 And I think most of you listening, if I really dove into your Instagram follows, that you would be very similar. But I think I saw I follow, I don't even know, some business Instagram account. And it had this guy talking and it gave me some perspective. Because sometimes, like anyone, right, wherever you live, you're like, God, I need to move. And obviously I want to move more like tax reasons or whatever. But I'm just talking about the individual place. I'm tired of living in this condo.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Need to go buy a house. Right? Think about that all the time. Need to go. It's like, this place sucks. If you're in a bad frame of mind, it's easy to think that, unless you live in some sweet-ass house. You can always upgrade, right? I have those thoughts every day.
Starting point is 00:30:22 And on this, like, Instagram account, it had this guy saying, if you think about your life from the perspective of wherever you live, if you live in a condo, an apartment, a home, whatever. And you go, do you know the amount of people in this? country or this world that would die to be living in this place, that would do anything to have what you have, think how often you get mad at your job, right? You're like, God, this job sucks. You make $95,000.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Do you know how many people in America would die to make $95,000? Right? And just, listen, say whatever you want. Like, sometimes just having a little perspective can just get you in a better frame of mind. Because I'll be honest, I'm naturally negative. The first thing I think about when I get up tends to be negative thoughts. I think it's genetic to add a little negative too. I have to force positive thoughts sometimes in my head because it's way healthier.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I can be way more productive, get way more things done. I'm way more successful when I'm thinking not just clearly, but thinking positively. Now, you can get mad and negative thoughts are natural to come at you when things happen. That's human. but I think when you get obsessed with the negative thoughts, which is easy to get into a rut, especially this lasts like 12 months, and it can consume you.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And if you can get back to positive thinking, and sometimes that's where some of the motivational stuff just helps me just like, okay, I can just flip my mind. When you just think about it like that, you're like, yeah, you know what, my place isn't that bad. I'm lucky to own this place, even though you pay for it. I'm not lucky I pay for it,
Starting point is 00:31:59 but you get what I'm saying. And I think all of us can have a little perspective in our life. And I saw that Russell Wilson, the story that came out, and we all saw him at the Super Bowl, is like when the cameras panned to him and his wife, Ciara, Sierra, never get her name right, with Roger Goodell, because he was the man of the year, she was happy, Roger was happy, and they were having a conversation. And then it looked like Russell was pissed off. And stories have come out, he was very, very angry watching the Super Bowl. They definitely wanted us to know that, right? Because people have leaked that he did not enjoy watching Tom Brady win.
Starting point is 00:32:33 why because he's watching tom brady have success and if your success or your excuse me if your happiness is tied to comparing your life your lot in life to the success of others you're never going to be happy and right now a big kind of elephant in the room with russell is that like he's comparing himself to tom brady i got news for you russell wilson that's moronic because there's never been a tom brady and they're probably will never be another Tom Brady. Patrick Mahomes, when it's all said and done, it's not out of the round possibility.
Starting point is 00:33:08 He only wins one Super Bowl. I think we'd all bet against it, but we said the same thing about Aaron Rogers. A decade later, he's got one. Like, Aaron Rogers has been really successful. Russell Wilson has been really successful. Obviously, Tom runs circles around them both. Now, I have no problem aspiring to be like that individual, right?
Starting point is 00:33:29 you always want to aspire to be someone, whether it's personally, professionally, whatever, something that you're not, right? Something that you believe can better yourself, whether that's money or whether it's being a better person. So I understand professionally Russell Wilson aspires to be like Tom, aspires to have that type success, which is normal. But if his happiness, which it feels like, you know, he's getting mad at the Seahawks, because they're not listening to him, he thinks Tom Brady's dictating personnel moves, I don't think he is, right?
Starting point is 00:33:58 like he's not they brought in Gronk like is that really Tom Brady dictating any team in the league if they would assign Tom Brady would have happily taken Gronk so that really wasn't like Tom like Tom's pulling strings
Starting point is 00:34:10 like no not really Jason Light's like yeah we'll take Gronkowski so would all the other 31 teams including Belichick so I think the big difference here's another thing and here's just I think sometimes when you judge yourself
Starting point is 00:34:24 against other people you act like you are the same and there is a major difference in Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, or excuse me, in Russell Wilson. Tom Brady was never, ever, babyed or placated to in New England. For two decades, for two decades, Belichick made it hard on him, coached him hard, held him the same high standard as everyone else. We've all read those stories of like all his former teammates. I remember Brian Hoyer, his first ever meeting, team meeting.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Like the first, you know, they're going through OTA practices, or maybe it was training camp practices. And Belichick just lights into Tom. It might have been Castle. It was either Hoyer or Castle. And their quote was like, holy shit. If they're doing that to Tom, wait till they get to me. And that was a team full roster, 90 men at the time in that room.
Starting point is 00:35:24 That's how it happened for two decades. with Tom Brady. Yet all the stories with Russell, it was Pete telling the guys not to be mean to Russell at practice. It was Pete trying to get Russell the MVP. The Seattle Seahawks have somewhat treated Russell like you would an only child.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Tom was treated like he was in a family of tent. And when the food came out, you better get to the dinner table quick because the food's going to disappear. And they don't care if you go to bed hungry. It was the opposite with Seattle with Russell. they did everything that he wanted. They constantly tried to get him help.
Starting point is 00:35:59 They constantly told all the defenders that never shut up, I don't know, because they were dominating, to treat Russell better, to not be so mean to him. I think Albert Breer wrote about that today, or maybe it was Peter King. Pete Carroll had to have a meeting with his defensive guys. Be nicer to Russell. Do you think Bill Belichick ever in a million fucking years
Starting point is 00:36:22 would have had that meeting with any? anyone with the Patriots? Well, first, he wouldn't have had to. But even if someone was talking to Tom, Tom would have handled it on his own. So Russell's comparing himself to Tom. Tom doesn't have that much in common with Russell. Tom likes to get yelled at.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Tom's used to it. Tom won for 20 years when his coach actually cut corners. They didn't spend that much money. They would only take guys on cheap contracts. Where Seattle was actually doing the opposite of everything Tom always wished the Patriots would do, spending big money on guys, trading for guys, doing crazy things. It just shows you when you compare yourself to someone else,
Starting point is 00:37:03 you usually don't parallel them. And also, when your happiness is based on, well, look how good it is for them, is stupid because you don't usually have that much in common with them. Now, I get Russell wants to win a Super Bowl. So does every quarterback worth their salt in the league. Don't you think Aaron Rogers wants to win a Super Bowl? Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, all these guys.
Starting point is 00:37:26 What do you think they, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Drew Breeze? The amount of work, all these guys do. You don't think Dak Prescott was trying to win the Super Bowl with every inch of his being? Like, I just, I think we need to take a step back and go, people need to stop comparing themselves to Tom. Right?
Starting point is 00:37:42 You're not Tom. You're never going to be Tom. You really don't have that much in common with Tom. Now, I'm not saying Russell, maybe you don't like Pete Carroll. Maybe you're over the management. Maybe you want to go somewhere else. That's not abnormal. I can relate to that.
Starting point is 00:37:55 So can most people listening. We all get tired of working with certain people. We all get tired of being in a certain situation. No matter how much money you have. Life is hard with or without money. Now it's easier to purchase homes and purchase cars and send your kids to private schools and all that stuff with money. Life is easier once you have money.
Starting point is 00:38:14 But your happiness does not change with the cash. Russell has unlimited money. he's already won a Super Bowl. Now he's trying to chase all these, like, legacy stuff. One thing I've never heard Tom talk about, and clearly Russell has been pretty open about this last couple years, legacy stuff. You know what Tom talks about? The next Super Bowl, winning the next year.
Starting point is 00:38:35 He's just obsessed with that because his legacy dwarfs. Every quarterback in the league right now, let's just pick the top three. Mahomes, Russell, and Rogers, in whatever order you want. I'd personally go, based on this last year, I'd go, Rogers, slightly above Mahomes, and then Russell. And obviously, Rogers' been doing it longer in Mahomes, but those two guys, Rogers, Mahomes are better than Russell. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.
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Starting point is 00:42:39 If you combine their Super Bowl, really even their Super Bowl appearances, right? Mahomes been to two, Russell's been to two, and Rogers's been to one. That's five total. Tom's been to 10. So it just shows you, like, he's just in a different world. And he didn't get what you wanted for 20 years, and it worked. And I think sometimes in pro sports, because the amount of money these guys make, when you start making 35 plus endorsements, $50, $60 million a year,
Starting point is 00:43:10 well, do you know what happens a lot? People want to get involved in that. Because if I had a business right now making $50 million a year, I'd have to hire a ton of people. People could profit off the business that I had. That's essentially what athletes become. And then you get a lot of people involved with their own ideas. Their own ideas may not be John Snyder's ideas or Pete Carroll's ideas.
Starting point is 00:43:32 They're going to be four pro Russell Wilson. But this is a team game. And back to Tom, what does he known at? The greatest teammate ever. So I think Russell needs to look at a situation and goes, You know what? I got it pretty fucking good here. I've never, in my career, won less than nine games.
Starting point is 00:43:55 And I remember after that season, John Snyder, they went 9 and 7. John Snyder after the season said, it felt like we won two games. You know why? Because the standards are so high. They're a powerhouse organization right now. Now, are they perfect? Of course not.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Beside the Belichick Patriots and the Brady Patriots, most teams don't go to the Super Bowl every year. Russell is killing it. The Seattle's killing it. They just won the division. A division that's loaded. You've got the Rams, Kyle Shanahan and the Niners. You got Cliff and looking sweet and all those, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:29 Kyler running around. They won it. Jamal missed a bunch of games. Their offense didn't even work at the end of the season, and they still won the division. So I just think we all need to take a deep breath, And maybe it's not fixable. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:44:42 I don't know all the details just from what I'm reading. But I do think Russell might be a little in over his skis on this one. Whether you're a student, looking for a new career, or a building professional who wants new skills.
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Starting point is 00:46:53 That's the point of their business to generate cash. And throwing away a little bit the corona, we're still in it, right? Because some of these teams aren't allowed to have fans. But it seems more and more that fans are going to be there in the summer. I think Major League Baseball is going to crush. Is absolutely, think how many people, once they open up, like, you know, baseball is allowed to have fans, full stadiums this summer. People are going to want to get outside.
Starting point is 00:47:22 People are going to want to go hang out with their friends. People are going to want to drink in the sun. I think baseball is really going to benefit. And obviously football, if all things go is planned, we'll crush it. The NBA, this NBA top shot thing, I'm sure many of you have seen it. You basically like buy a GIF. It's like an electronic poster. but it's on the internet blockchain, crypto, whatever.
Starting point is 00:47:42 I don't pretend to know. And my first reaction, and I try to always be careful with this, is not like, that stupid, that'll never work. Because that's what losers say. Now, it might never work. It might be a massive bubble that's a disaster. But clearly they're on to something. It's just supply of demand, and there's a lot of demand for this stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Now, the NBA for the Topshot thing owns it. So they get the revenue. So it's good for their league If a ton of people buy it And it generates a ton of money That gets them money that they split between the owners and the players And I'm pro finding new revenue streams So I give them credit on that one
Starting point is 00:48:22 Even if I don't pretend to quite understand it But I don't really understand crypto And I just dabbled in a little ADA Over the weekend And I plan on dabbling a little more Because if it is a bubble I want to ride that bad boy and make a little cash off it but I also can think like
Starting point is 00:48:40 yeah, crypto is kind of weird is it going to work is it going to disappear? I don't know. I don't pretend to have the answers to this but I know it's something and the point of these leagues
Starting point is 00:48:50 is to keep growing just like any business you're at if you're a sales guy, right? Once you hit a number, right, if you were supposed to get $500,000 a new business and that's your quota or whatever that's where you're supposed to hit
Starting point is 00:49:03 once you hit it the following year getting $350 is not cool hell they might want 550 the following year or six people only grow we only you know move the finish line move the goalpost as they say because you never want to go backwards and it's why the biggest thing the NFL has been pushing now for years is the 17th game because games in the NFL and we've talked over and they don't make any money from practice they don't make any money from workouts they don't make any money during the week they make all their cash on some Sunday. And it makes so much freaking money that it makes all these players millionaires,
Starting point is 00:49:43 makes these coaches millionaires, and make these owners billionaires. It's an incredible partnership. Everyone is getting filthy, rich. And the 17th game is clearly a money grab. But like I said, there's no such thing as a money grab. There's just additional revenue. And then there was also reports today that they are going to put a Monday night football game in the playoff, in the wild card round. Of course they are, because it would get huge ratings. It will work. Now, like the crypto stuff, like the ADA that I purchased, you never know what the future holds.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Is it possible that 17 games is bad for the league? Over a 5, 10-year span, it creates more injury, more wear and tear. Is there ever diminishing returns of football? Because right now football isn't just king, it's running laps around everything else, not just in sports, but in entertainment. It gets the most views by a mile. Is that, are they ever nervous about that coming back to Earth?
Starting point is 00:50:47 Probably a little. But you can't think about the worst case scenario when your foot's on the pedal. You just got to keep doubling down. And so far, I think the NFL would say is like, we've hit a recession in the late 2000s, we've crushed it, we corona, we navigated through it. It will just keep firing through because that's their, mindset and it's been very successful. I understand why they're doing it. Do I get nervous as just
Starting point is 00:51:13 a lover of the game, a lover of the league that it could ever hurt the sport? Of course. Because I'll be, you know, we already know the NFL's not going to be on top forever. No chance. Because I've seen in my lifetime multiple sports dominate. When I was born in 1984, baseball was by far the biggest sport in America. Then in the 90s, Michael Jordan came. The best, Basketball was huge. Maybe the NBA as a whole wasn't as big as baseball or football, but Michael Jordan was equally bigger, if not bigger, than all of. Then he went away and basketball came back to Earth,
Starting point is 00:51:50 even though they still had stars that carried him, but nothing like when Michael was it with the Bulls, doing like 30 million people watching NBA Finals games. And then football, which I always say, I think Tom Brady and Peyton Manning were the Magic Johnson and Larry Bird in the 2000s, it took the leagues of new heights. And then it just naturally, they bent, They benefited from the internet.
Starting point is 00:52:09 They benefited from society, having short attention spans. They benefited from low inventory only once a week, easy to consume. On an off day, Sunday, a lot of factors. They've just kept doubling down. And we're going to see if this works. Now, initially, of course it's going to work. More football, people will watch. They'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:52:27 I just wonder big picture, you just ask the question. Extra playoff teams, if we ever, because there is a point, I think in anything in life, where, you, you hit like a breaking point, where it's just like, as too much, right? Like, I think we've realized baseball, 162 games too much.
Starting point is 00:52:44 It just, it is. 82 games in the NBA, way too much. 16 games in football feels, you know, about right. You can argue, they'd probably be final 14 games, create even more urgency. But they would make way less money.
Starting point is 00:52:59 And like I said, they ended up making less money. So they're kind of at this point where the only way to keep making cash is more games. They added playoff teams, extra playoff games. What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:53:09 Way more cash. Added a week. Way more cash. Let's do a primetime game in the playoffs on Monday night football. More cash. Thursday night football. I heard Colin say it's a money loser for Fox. I have to text them.
Starting point is 00:53:23 I'm fascinated how they lose money for that, but clearly they do because Fox doesn't want Thursday night football anymore. You know what Jeff Bezos says? I'm in. I got cash. We're interested. What did Amazon do last year? They had Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks.
Starting point is 00:53:36 I did the reads for it on. the show. Watch Amazon Prime Feeds. Because what were they doing? They were preparing, showing the NFL that they had the infrastructure. We know they had the money, but they had the capabilities of hiring the right people to do this. And they did. Seemless transition. So it's going to be interesting over this next decade. Like, did the NFL peak? Like, well, I tell my kids, you know, the NFL peaked from like 2015 to 2025. Or do they go on another 20, 30-year run of dominance? I don't have the answer.
Starting point is 00:54:12 But I'm going to be fascinated watching it play out. I saw something today that alerted me to a potential disaster. Now, you could argue that this situation has already been far from ideal, given the hype, that when the University of Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, it felt like maybe he wasn't going to be like Nick Sabin or Urban Meyer, but he'd be competing to go to the playoffs every year. That clearly has not happened. And Michigan underachieve is not fair
Starting point is 00:54:42 because they were shitty when he got there. He's been fine. He's done better than they were doing before he got there. But that wasn't the expectations when he was hired. They hired him to great applause because they thought he was going to win Bick, like he had just done in San Francisco going to NFC championships into a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:54:59 He didn't have to win the national championship in Michigan. Hell, if he just would have got to the playoffs a couple times and got blown out in the first round, that'd be fine. But as we know, he hasn't sniffed the playoffs. And the biggest thing, and his biggest issue right now, is the number one thing we talk about in football nonstop. Do you have a quarterback? And today I saw a story that this guy named Alan Bowman,
Starting point is 00:55:25 I'll be honest, I don't watch a lot of Texas Tech football. Though Matt Wells, who, he'd still get fired? Follow each other on Twitter, DMed a little bit, I like the guy. He was at Utah State, big fan of the guy. It's tough, text, tough job. Alan Bowman, who has 33 career touchdowns and 17 interceptions, who was a three-star recruit and had offers from places like Columbia and Missouri, his best offers like Ole Miss, is now transferring to the University of Michigan.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Here's what I do not understand, because I'm not like necessarily anti-transfers. Kyler was a transfer, Baker was a transfer, Justin Fields was a transfer. You can get good players who are transfers at quarterbacks. But eventually, I need you to recruit a good player. Like Oregon, they recruited Justin Herbert. Clemson, they recruited Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence was the number one player.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Okay, Justin Herbert was not. Nick Saban recruited Matt Jones, who unlike Tua, was not some highly touted guy. Ed Ogeron got Joe Burrell when a lot of people could add Joe Burrell. Jim Harbaugh cannot find a quarterback. He can find other positions that go to the NFL because a lot of guys from Michigan get drafted. But if he continues to have to go to this well
Starting point is 00:56:50 of transfers who are not future NFL players, what's he even doing? This is not going to get better. You cannot put a Band-Aid on a bullet hole. For whatever reason, he keeps recruiting the U.S. guys and they do not work out. Macafrey, Milton, he cannot land a quarterback for the life of them. Now, with the San Francisco 49ers, and even, let's go back to the Stanford Cardinal, Andrew Luck was not that big of a recruit. And Stanford, who had some momentum at the time, is a unique
Starting point is 00:57:24 institution because it, you know, attracts the academic elites in athletics who are also great at sports. And as we know, Andrew Luck is just kind of a unique person. He might have gone to Stanford whether Jim Harbaugh was the coach or whether I was the coach. You could argue maybe he lucked into that. He gets the Niner job. He inherits Alex
Starting point is 00:57:46 Smith. And then the following year, they draft Kaepernick, but he wasn't the GM. Balky had the juice. Now, I do think Harbaugh wanted Kaepernick, but like that would be the one guy that you could argue that he chose over the time. Now, I get
Starting point is 00:58:02 that he okayed giving a scholarship to luck but like I said would luck have gone to Stanford whether he was there or not possibly but regardless of any of this information he now has been like there is no one arguing he's in charge he's the general manager and he cannot find a quarterback
Starting point is 00:58:21 he keeps having to take these transfers of guys that will never sniff the NFL I'm not even asking him and I know I brought this guy up Trevor Lawrence Justin Fields, Justin Herbert, did land a top five pick. Can you just recruit a guy that we talk about Mike Ed in the second or third round of the draft? How can you not do that? You're the University of Michigan.
Starting point is 00:58:43 You coached in the NFL had had success. You coached luck and had success. You were a quarterback. I played in the league for 15 years. Like, how can you not, whoever just the top 10 quarterbacks are in the country? How can you not go to like two of them and land one of them? It doesn't feel like he's doing that. And now again, like a couple of years ago,
Starting point is 00:59:05 he's going back to the well of getting this guy from a tiny little school to transfer to Michigan. I've never watched Alan Bowman throw a pass. Here's what I do know, though. Under no circumstances, should Harbaugh be relying on a guy like this to be his quarterback. And until Michigan fixes this problem, which clearly doesn't look like is getting fixed anytime soon,
Starting point is 00:59:27 One time when I was in high school, my dad worked for this guy who was a big, big farmer, and he had this barge, and he had some land on this thing called the Delta. And it's like this river, you know, this water kind of, it's basically a river that flows all the way to the Pacific Ocean. And he got this barge that also had a crane. And the crane, the barge was from World War II. And there was a famous story that in like the 40s, right, during World War II, the crew on the barge got a bad batch of moonshine and everyone died. And like, I don't know if the U.S. government owned the barge or something,
Starting point is 01:00:13 but they didn't have anything to do with the barge. So he got it, you know, like 20, 30 years later at like a complete discount, you know, for 50,000 bucks or whatever. And he just put it in the Delta. Well, one day there were leaks in the barge. And we had gone out there because they used to go out there to duck hunt past where the barge was. And they saw oil was all in the delta. And it was going to be a problem.
Starting point is 01:00:38 So we realized we got to get some pumps and get the barge back elevated. So we tried to use these little pumps and it didn't do a thing. The barge was sinking. The irony then this dude went off the levee, the Coast Guard randomly had to come save them. they drove by the barge, bunch of oil, it was a disaster. Because no pump, especially handheld pumps, were going to save the barge. Just like no transfers are going to save Michigan. Do you know how Michigan won in the past?
Starting point is 01:01:11 They recruited elite players. They developed them, and then they won. That's what Ohio State is doing right now. That's what Wisconsin is doing right now. That's what Penn State is trying to do right now. Michigan kind of feels like they don't have any direction because they keep trying to band-aid these problems at the biggest, most important position.
Starting point is 01:01:35 I hate to say it, but I think this Jim Harbaugh thing could get even uglier. Okay, let's get to the Middilkoff mailbag. At John Middilkoff is the Instagram handle. And you guys know the drill. Slide up in the direct messages. And you get read here on the podcast. Also going to start posting it on YouTube,
Starting point is 01:01:52 John Middlecough, YouTube. channel. If you're watching this on YouTube, give you a thumbs up. Hey brother, we'll keep it short this time. Thank you. Shouldn't would Cam Newton consider playing a position outside of quarterback? I haven't heard this one before, but I fucking like it. You cannot tell me that he isn't more athletic than Tassum Hill and alike. Obviously, few teams run those type of packages,
Starting point is 01:02:12 but the idea of Cam lining up wide is a scary thought. He's massive and still got wheels. I like what you're thinking here. If Cam Newton cannot throw anymore, and clearly if you watch him last year with the Patriots, there would be games where they just rode him like a horse. He's secretariat. There is not a bigger, stronger,
Starting point is 01:02:32 maybe some faster athletes, but pound for pound, he might be the fastest athlete in the league. I'm with you. I don't know what position. I just think kind of hybrid quarterback. Pay him like Taysam Hill. Could he make two years,
Starting point is 01:02:46 $12 million a year? He made a million dollars last year. Why wouldn't he take six? to be a hybrid player. Now, does he want that pounding? He's already really rich. But I'm with you. The one thing you'd say about Cam Newton,
Starting point is 01:02:59 because remember, like Tebow, I'm only a quarterback. And Cam, obviously is too, but would Cam be more open to just doing stuff like that? I don't think that's nuts at all. Would a good team, you know, just get them. People like him. He works hard.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I'm not against that at all. I don't know what the position. Basically, I think you would still consider him a quarterback. You just ask him to play a Taysam Hill role. I love that. You're a genius. Honestly, I like what you're doing there. Hello, John.
Starting point is 01:03:34 This is from, uh, looks like a spam porno. Uh, I can't wait to hear your take on JJ Watt based on previous takes on Vance Joseph and Cliff. Love the pod. Guess you can't blame him for taking the money, but he did say he wanted to win a ring. I think we all say a lot of things in life and if someone presents you with and I've never been
Starting point is 01:03:56 have the difference of well you want to work for $5 million or you want to work for $23 million because I think and I saw someone tweeted out from Arizona that he had similar offers from you know the Titans and the Colts bullshit I don't believe that of course the Cardinals want that out
Starting point is 01:04:12 I don't think any good team would be in that stratosphere but listen I'll never tell man, they should take less money, but I'm also like, when your career ends and you have one career playoff victory, I don't necessarily feel bad for you. What up, Koff? Keep up the work. Do you think that there's a possibility that Niners rollback Jimmy? Like there's a legitimate chance. Any inside chatter about it? If so, what are some legitimate alternatives with the 12th pick? Also, an in-depth middle-kopf Niners mock draft would be
Starting point is 01:04:44 cool. You know, I'm a big first and second round guy. I give the, uh, I give the, uh, The rest of the rounds, 4th, 5th, 6th. I give that to the draft Nick community on Twitter. I'll just play the hits. I have no problem. I'll talk the first round until your, you know, till your ears fall off.
Starting point is 01:05:03 I think there's a chance that Jimmy Garoppolo is a quarterback, yes. Because they don't control this, right? The 49ers want Deshaun Watson. Right now he's not available. They're not willing to trade him. So nothing they can do. They would obviously take Russell Wilson. Seattle would never trade them Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 01:05:20 That's not even an option, and Russell has a no trade clause, so that's not even an option. Deshawn Watson, their number one target. I don't think the Texans will trade him to the Niners. Could just be me. If they do trade him, he's going to the Jets, he's going to the Dolphins because they're picks. I do think a viable possibility is they keep Jimmy and they sign some backup, like an Andy Dalton type, Tribisky maybe for like three or four million dollars. Have that guy and Jimmy on the team as they go.
Starting point is 01:05:50 to the draft. Then on draft day, because they do not control, right, they're drafting 12. There are a ton of teams above them. By then we would know the dolphins, the Texans slash the Jets, what that little group was doing. But we don't know like, his Falcons going to take a quarterback or the Eagles
Starting point is 01:06:06 are going to take a quarterback. We know the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to take a quarterback. The Lions, probably not. Cowboys, I don't know. There's a lot of unknown. Now, I do think it's possible that the Niners could jump up in that draft, take a quarterback, let's say Justin Fields, then if the Patriots don't have a quarterback, take Jimmy Garoppel, send them to the Patriots, and basically their quarterback room would be Justin Fields
Starting point is 01:06:28 and Mr. Ribski or Andy Dalton. I think that's a possibility. So just because they don't make a quarterback change in the middle of March, when free agency and all these trades become official, does not mean that they're not still looking and that change is not, I don't even say inevitable, but possible. Which is fun. Right now, there's. There's a lot of hypotheticals out there. Great show. Keep up the work. Heard you say the Tiger winning the Masters. I heard what you said about Tiger winning the Masters
Starting point is 01:07:00 and fully agree with the emotional connection. I'm one year older than Tiger, so it's pretty interesting to follow these guys, TB12, other dudes in the same age bracket. Follow-up question. To Tiger's injury. What do you think about his chances to come back in the senior PGA?
Starting point is 01:07:16 And as a football fan, I've been a Bears fan since Walter Payton send me an autograph 8 by 10 when I was in fifth grade. What should be done in Chicago to get back to the playoffs consistently? Do you know what's cool? Is clearly when you were growing up, Clay, and when I was growing up, even I'm a little younger than you, you could send a note from your class to like Jerry Rice,
Starting point is 01:07:37 Walter Payton, Emmett Smith, Brett Farth, Steve Young, whoever, Elway. And they would have days where the PR guy would clearly give them a bunch of stuff, they would sign stuff and they'd send it back. I love technology, and I'm glad to be living at the time we're living in. It's great for my personal business. I think it's great for anyone's business. It's a lot of opportunities to grow. There are pretty cool things, though, that get lost.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Now, you could argue that players can tweet or Instagram comment and stuff for sure. That's true, but there still was nothing like getting, I remember had a friend that had a framed picture of Jerry Rice, sent them. Just signed it and sent it back to him. That's pretty cool. I don't think Tiger was Tiger healthy was never going to play on the senior PGA tour Too rich doesn't need it
Starting point is 01:08:25 Yeah I can't see it Maybe he'll play an event or two I also don't see Tiger playing golf in his 50s Like his body like Phil's gonna play till he can't walk Tiger might not be able to walk Obviously the car accident but I'm just saying like the path he was on with all his injuries He was not going to be a healthy 50-60 year old Like watching some of the guys
Starting point is 01:08:47 that play, like Phil's going to be healthy. Tiger is just, Tiger broke down before the car accident, let alone the car accident. We don't know for sure the extent of all these injuries. Like, if you read Tiger statements, they've been pretty mum. They've been positive, but they have not made
Starting point is 01:09:07 like concrete statements about the situation, about, hey, his legs are stable, he's going to be able to walk again, or there's no infections, or it's been, you know, pretty just they're giving you as much information as, or as little information as they can, by also acting like they're giving you a lot, because they're not really.
Starting point is 01:09:28 So I've just keeping my fingers crossed, knock on wood that the guy comes out and he's able to walk again. Who knows? The Bears, they just need to get a quarterback. For the love of God, the franchise has never had a quarterback. Just get a quarterback. You get a quarterback, you got a chance. Look at the team in your division.
Starting point is 01:09:43 The Green Bay Packers. You've been playing for three decades. Far of Rogers. every year for almost 30 years they've had a quarterback. It really changes things. Look at the Patriots. For 20 years, they had Brady. For the Colts, 15 years they had Manning.
Starting point is 01:09:57 The Seahawks, for a decade, they've had Russell. For 15 years, the Saints had Drew Brees. Hell, for the Falcons had Matt Ryan. You just need to get some consistent quarterback play that's above average. You don't even need Rogers' best case scenario. You just take Matt Ryan. Right? You would give anything for Matt Ryan.
Starting point is 01:10:17 A 23-year-old Matt Ryan just for a decade? You're like, oh, my God. So our soul for that. I don't know how you do that, though. Who your options are. I would appreciate it if you could fucking please stop apologizing for saying your curse words. Your profanity is why I love you and listen to your podcast. If you keep apologizing or hold back, I'm going to have to fucking stop listening to you.
Starting point is 01:10:45 I appreciate it. I do it more as a joke, but also in fairness. I know some people listen with their kids in the car. Yeah, that's, I'm being sarcastic over it. Obviously, I don't really care, but I don't want, you know, I don't know. I just, I try to be respectful, you know. But I talk like I talk. I'm going to cut to the chase.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Why don't the Niners pull out their big dicks and start swinging for the fences and go after Deshaun Watson. See, my listeners talk like I talk too. I'm tired of this half-ass Jimmy G having bullshit. Winners close, John, and Garapolo isn't going to close. I'm with you, bro. I think
Starting point is 01:11:31 they're trying. I've told by very good sources, they would be very, very aggressive for Deshawn Watson. But I just don't think it's an option. And if Deshawn truly, if the Texans go, he's available,
Starting point is 01:11:46 the Jets and the Dolphins just have things to give them. Like the second and third pick in this draft, I'm sure is Casario. They're putting their draft board together. They're evaluating these quarterbacks. I mean, the Dolphins will just be giving them their pick back. Pick three is way better than pick 12. And if you're the Texans,
Starting point is 01:12:03 you would rather have picks than like, even if I wouldn't do this if I were the Niners, Fred Warner, George Kittle. You're not trying to reset your franchise. I want picks. You give me three first rounders, and one of them is pick three, and I can draft a quarterback and start over.
Starting point is 01:12:16 That's where I think the Niners are in trouble. Because if I'm the Texas, I don't want your players. I'd rather have second and first round picks. I want picks. I want to reset. I want to blow this bad boy up. That's what I think they're doing. They're blowing the bad boy up. That's it.
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