The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out  - Weekend Mailbag: Rodgers Coverage, Lamar Contract, Cousins/Vikings Future

Episode Date: March 19, 2023

John empties out the Middlekauff Mailbag and answers listener questions on Rodgers decision coverage, Lamar’s contract, Kirk Cousins’ future in Minnesota, and more. Subscribe NOW and follow Middle...kauff and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and FanDuel for the best wagering action! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:15 Enjoy watching March Madness, which is obviously always fun. You don't even need to know the players, most of the coaches. It does not matter. It's a special event. There is nothing like in some of these big upsets, just the joy of victory. And I mean, also the agony of defeat. It just looks like. These players on these high seeds to get K-O'd look like they saw a ghost, you know?
Starting point is 00:03:45 16 beat a 1 again. It's just, it's incredible. It could just, what's cool is listen, as someone that went to a D1A athletic school for football, obviously basketball, everyone's kind of D1. Cal Paul, I think we made the tournament one year, but like, I think how impossible it would be in football to have happen what happens in the NCAA tournament. Now, it's not apples to apples, but the equivalent of a. 16-1 would be like Cal Poly playing Alabama or Michigan in football.
Starting point is 00:04:14 They would get Molly-wopped. I mean, they would get, they would get abused. They would get hurt. I mean, it wouldn't even be fair. Now, I know sometimes they play a patsy game like that, but I'm talking in the tournament when the game, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:30 it'd be like a playoff game. They would get murdered. And what's cool about basketball, unlike football, is if you're just, I got the, I'm recording this little later on Saturday night, UCLA Northwestern. You know, you can take some of these games. And if you remove the jerseys and you didn't know who you're watching, you can't tell.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Right. You watch, you know, a 15-2 or 16-1. And if the game is close, the athletes look somewhat similar, you know. And it's more like a tennis or golf where a random guy can beat anyone on any given day, which is not really the case in football. You know, Ohio State. in a playoff game would never lose to the equivalent of like Sacramento State. It's just out, it's just impossible, even in a one game situation, which is football.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Okay, let's dive into the metal cuff mailback. I just don't know why I went on the NCAA tourney rant. I love the event. I really do. And I've never watched less college basketball in my life and I've been glued for the last three days. So before we dive into some of the mailback questions, my friend is at Game Time. Make sure you download the GameTime app fastest growing ticket app in America. Use the promo code John, J-O-H-N, $20 off your first pair of tickets.
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Starting point is 00:06:03 What's the validity of the Lamar-N-Niner rumors is Donald have a good chance at starting. Well, I don't think there is any validity because there aren't any rumors beside on like blog, you know, internet websites, just BS and back and forth. The 49ers don't have any picks.
Starting point is 00:06:21 So the trade, it's not even possible. They don't have a first round pick. They don't have a second round pick. They're also, they're just not going to pay Lamar Jackson $230 million. They're just not in that business. I'll promise you that. I mean, they're not.
Starting point is 00:06:34 But they don't even have the ability to acquire, him even if they wanted to. And he tweeted back at Schefter or one of the blogs that put out that Sheffter said he had $200 million guaranteed and that the Ravens had offered $133 million over three years, fully guaranteed. I got news for you. If he turned that down, it's a bad, that's a bad decision. 133 million dollars over three years and then you hit free agency again when you're 28, 29 years old. I think, and listen, part of negotiating is could you got that number three years with incentives to 150 million?
Starting point is 00:07:07 dollars? Obviously, if they give you $133 million, they're not going to cut you. And as long as you're on the field, you're going to hit the incentives probably. So all of a sudden, are we looking at three years, $50 million a year, three years of $150, and then you re-hit the open market? I mean, what's Lamar Jackson? 26 years old? Hit the open market again at 29. If I had to guess Lamar Jackson is no older than 26, he might even be 25 because he's 26.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Just turned 26 in January. So you get a three-year deal with some incentive? get that bad boy up to 150. All of a sudden you re-hit the market at 29 years old with 150 million in the bank. Not bad. You know, not bad. It would be a decent business.
Starting point is 00:07:48 But hey, 150 million isn't for everybody. From Troy in, somewhere in Texas near Austin. What is your opinion about Chase Claypool and if he'll make any significant impact on the bears in the coming season? Will he be any shade of his former excellence from the Steelers?
Starting point is 00:08:07 We need a vertical threat like we had Marshall and Muhammad several years ago. Well, you know, I would always be a little leery when organizations that do specific things really well get rid of something under that umbrella. Right. Like, you know, if the Ravens don't want your defense, don't want a defensive player, it's like, why are they getting rid of this guy? right and when they do hashtag Roquan Smith like you know it's probably a good sign the guy can really play and you should extend them and when the Steelers are going to get rid of a wide receiver you have to ask yourself why because last time I checked like no one drafts develops wide receivers better than the Tomlin era Pittsburgh Steelers so why it's not just simple well they had other
Starting point is 00:08:58 guys money like no like this guy had shown flashes clearly a little bit of bit of a pain. Definitely is really talented. But I have a hard time seeing. Now, DJ Moore with Mooney. I mean, this guy's the third wide receiver on the team. And, you know, he needs to get his you know what together because he's playing for a contract. Can he stay focused? Can fields throw the ball well enough? Don't love it. You know, I'm mainly shorting it because the Pittsburgh Steelers shorted him. And honestly, it just might have been too good of a deal. They couldn't pass up. Do you know when you look at the draft board in the top 40 picks, the Pittsburgh Steelers have the 32nd pick. They obviously have their own first round pick.
Starting point is 00:09:41 And the 32nd pick this year is actually the first, you know, 33 typically. But that is an incredible pick. I still can't believe the Bears gave their second round pick to get Chase Claypool. I think if they could get a redo. And listen, I was harsh on Ryan Poles for that trade. It was pretty, it was bad. It just was. You can't give that pick.
Starting point is 00:10:00 I understand they were competing with other teams You can not give that pick Now he did You know as as Jim Carrey would say Or maybe it was Maybe it was Jeff Daniels Totally redeem himself Totally redeem himself
Starting point is 00:10:15 With the trade that he made For the number one overall pick But Chase Claypool trade was bad Okay let's dive into some other questions here Joey God damn this is a long one Huge fan
Starting point is 00:10:29 Listen to Jim Every day he drop in episode. Appreciate you. There's a bit of a throwback question, but I think it's fitting since A-Rod has been the number one news story over the past couple weeks. You think Rogers deserved his MVP over J.J. Watt? I understand people argue that it's a quarterback award, but Watt's performance was something we'll likely never see again. Roger stateline 38 touchdowns, five interceptions were merely efficient when compared to his peers. He didn't lead the league in any major passing category that year. Meanwhile, Watt recorded 20 and a half sacks, five total
Starting point is 00:11:00 touchdowns, three coming from playing tied in. I always felt strongly about this and once made a video about it, you can check it out. You know what's funny is JJ Watt, I don't know where he lives, but I can tell by the mountain in the back of his house, kind of lives down the street for me. And I would love to run into him. Hell, I would, I'm going to, I would love to have him on the show. I'd love to play golf with him and just BS with him. Because I was working for a radio station that covered the Raiders. And I did the post game show for the Raiders. and the Raiders played J.J. Watt Week two.
Starting point is 00:11:35 After week one, I'm pretty sure they played the Washington Redskins at the time. And J.J. Watt, I'm pretty sure that Kyle Shanahan or someone, because I remember talking to a coach on the Raiders saying that they had just talked to one of the coaches on Washington staff, and I'm pretty sure it was like McVeigh, LaFloor, all those guys still there. Could be off by a year. But whoever the coach was on that staff told my buddy,
Starting point is 00:12:00 on the Raider staff, that he thinks that they just saw the best defensive game they'd ever seen in their career in the NFL. He, like, just Google J.J. Watt, Week 1, Washington, 2014. I'm pretty sure I got my years correct on this one. It was, I think he had several sacks. He had several TFLs. He was like, defensive player the week, obviously. Yeah, I mean, he's, and then that game that I attended, he caught a touchdown in the
Starting point is 00:12:27 corner of the end zone in the black hole. That year, yeah, he was fucking. I mean, he was, I mean, I think JJ Watt, you know, been going to games. I mean, I haven't been to an NFL game now in a couple years, but, you know, a decade going a ton of games every year, easily his peak is one of the best players I've ever seen. You know, right up there with, you know, I've seen Rogers in his peak, seeing Peyton Manning in his peak, seen Brady in his peak, Aaron Donald in his peak, Richard Sherman and some of those guys on Seattle's defense.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I would put, I'd put. I'd put J.J. Watts peak against, fuck, anyone I've seen in his era. So yeah, I'm with you. But it's just, it's a little like the Heisman trophy. You know, we've got to the point where the quarterbacks get all the money,
Starting point is 00:13:13 they get all the girls, they get all the fame. I mean, it's just part of the deal. It's very, very difficult for anyone else to get the MVP or the Heisman trophy if you're not a quarterback. It's, you just had a huge, huge disadvantage. I think one of the first, of the coolest Heisman trophies of my life was when Charles Woodson won it.
Starting point is 00:13:33 You know, I think one of the cooler MVPs of my life have been when running backs win it. But it's so hard because for running back to win the MVP, they got to run for like 2,000 yards. They got to do something like Adrian Peterson, you know, or Barry Sanders. It's just very, very difficult. It's so, you know, like when next season starts, you'd be like, who's going to win the MVP?
Starting point is 00:13:53 You're like, Mooms, Allen, maybe of Herbert. You know, they win 13 games and he throws 40 touches. touchdowns. We already know who's going to win the MVP. Jalen Hertz maybe, you know, if he throws 30 touchdowns and runs for 10 more. It's a group of four guys. And more than likely, one of them is going to win it. You could argue the dumbest bet going forward is betting on anyone but the top three or four guys to win the MVP. And it has to be obviously a quarterback. Like Justin Jefferson or some other player could have 3,000 yards receiving.
Starting point is 00:14:25 You know, Kirk Cousins would probably be more inclined to get it if he had equally as big of a I've been a Niner fan for a long time and have been a Monday to Friday listener of Colin and Pat for three years pretty consistent. Between the Aaron Rogers saga and Lamar Jackson's foolishness, I've had to turn the herd many times this week due to the coverage. I'm a Jets fan and I'm going to be a lot more Greenberg and a lot less Jason McIntyre.
Starting point is 00:14:54 They've been bad for 12 years and irrelevant for 70 so I don't understand why anyone would be so critical of Rogers. My opinion toward Colin this week has taken a hit because his disparity toward Aaron for mainly this reason. Free agency starts on March 15th. The Jets knew on Friday that he would be intending to play and for them, the world knew on March 15th. He didn't hold anyone hostage.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I don't believe he held the Jets hostage in a negotiation, but most broadcasters have been so slanderous toward the Hall of Fame quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I would just say Aaron doesn't have a lot of people that root for them. Just plain and simple. I'm pretty indifferent on them. I don't necessarily root for them,
Starting point is 00:15:42 but I got no ill will for them. I was completely unbothered by any of the vaccine shit. Hell, I don't care. Do whatever the hell you want to do. The media, we know where they stand politically on that stuff. So that's, Colin has been, you know, Collins has never been the biggest
Starting point is 00:15:59 Rogers guy well before, I would say he became quote unquote polarizing these last, whatever, 12 months or 18 months. Collins been on that side
Starting point is 00:16:08 for, shit, as long as I've been listening to him. He's been the most critical broadcaster of Aaron Rogers over his career. And honestly, I played golf the other day
Starting point is 00:16:20 with a couple guys from Minnesota and one guy was a big Packer fan. And we talked, talked about just, he was like, God, if I could ever have just put the heart of Brett Favre into Rogers, maybe we got three or four Super Bowls over the last decade. I was like, you know, one thing, and I've always been a defender of Rogers, but as a player, that loss against the 49ers is fucking embarrassing. I think that's the worst loss of his career.
Starting point is 00:16:49 Now, back to what you were saying, for the Jets, I'm completely with you. Anyone's saying like, the Jets, they don't need, don't need what? They haven't made the playoffs since 2010. Every other NFL team, they have the longest drought in the National Football League to not make the playoffs. The Jags, the Raiders, the Browns, you name it, the Jets. Their quarterback situation isn't bleak, it's a joke. Like the guy they drafted too is beyond awful.
Starting point is 00:17:18 He stinks when we watch him. His coaches have admitted it. He's not any good. They make him the third quarterback. And his own teammates, his own teammates, which I would argue of all the things, of what we've witnessed on, just when we watch the Jets play and then throw in completions, of what the coaches, regardless of what they say, their actions by benching them
Starting point is 00:17:40 and making them the third quarterback, not even the backup when Mike White and Flacco started. I would say his teammates, ill will might be the wrong way to put it, but just disdain for him as a player. It tells you everything you need to know. So, yeah, ultimately, whatever it takes to get it done, who has the leverage, who doesn't? I think both sides in a weird way have some, right? Because you can't say the Packers have none.
Starting point is 00:18:02 They have Aaron Rogers. Now, you could argue they've already admitted he's not coming back. But he's still on their team. And they're going to take a massive dead cap blast to the salary cap, whether he, regardless of what he does. Whether he's on the team, whether he quits, whether they trade him. So they're screwed with his money, not in terms of having to actually pay him the whatever $57 million,
Starting point is 00:18:25 but in terms of what it does their cap. So they're not being held hostage by not being able to sign people because they'd be screwed anyway. And the Jets, like, their team's their team kind of and they're just, it behooves them to fight for their first round pick.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Now where I've kind of come around to this is like, at the end of the day, pick 13 for Aaron Rogers, can we just do pick 13 and call it a day? And then a contingent, you know, if I win the Super Bowl, I give you next year second round pick, if he retires, I owe you a seventh round pick.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Because you still are acquiring Aaron Rogers. I understand he wants to play for you. I understand that it feels like he's the only place is going to go, but you still desire the player that is not yours. So at any transaction of like, you don't have the asset and you want the asset, even though the people selling the asset are ultimately going to sell it to you and the asset's going to be in your hands. But they're like a transaction has to be had.
Starting point is 00:19:23 so listen I don't think it's disputable and I've defended Aaron in terms of I would 100% do do ayahuasca uh I'm all for trying to find clarity in your mind hell I try to find it on on a weekly basis in different ways than darkness retreat but I got no I got nothing against that uh you know I do think sometimes Aaron where these guys ding them I mean the people that no. A lot of people in the media, fuck, do they know GMs? Do they know people in the league? Like, Collins' takes are well educated. He talks to coaches, he talks to players. He gets information. So his takes typically, in my experience, are based off information. He's not just throwing shit at the wall and hope to see what sticks. Like a lot of people do in the media because they don't have
Starting point is 00:20:14 access. Colin has unlimited access. Several GMs, several executives that are in my phone log are 100% in his phone lock, meaning he could text them. And he knew people that I didn't even know he knew that I found out later. And I've introduced them to people. And he just, people constantly reach out to him. Why? Because the NFL loves a show.
Starting point is 00:20:37 So is he critical of Aaron Rogers? He has been forever. Now, it can't be argued. Like, I don't know if he said this. Did he say this? I would pick them to make the playoffs next year if they got Aaron Rogers. Now, I don't think they'd be a lock, because this is football, this isn't, you know, basketball.
Starting point is 00:20:54 If it was the equivalent of the NBA, you would be in the playoffs. And football's still hard, you know. Ten wins doesn't guarantee you in the AFC a playoff spot. But I hear you. If I was a Jets fan hearing everybody talk shit about the guy that's about to be my quarterback, who's going to be the best quarterback in the history of my franchise immediately, you know, I get it. With Cousins contract up at the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:21:19 it seems the Vikings are ready to move on. at least I can hope they are. They most likely won't land one of the top four quarterback prospects. But in your opinion, who would be the best quarterback waiting to draft outside of Richardson, Stroud, Young, and Levis? Well, I'd be lying to you, you know, in terms of like upside talent in the first couple rounds. There's any guy that I like.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And I'm not breaking down the tape. You know, I spent a decent amount. I watch a ton of college football. But I would say this year, like, I watched a lot of Bryce Young. Yeah, I end up watching a decent amount of Ohio State, even though they kind of bore me for the most part. But I'm a C.J. Stroud fan because of what he did against Georgia, knowing that's a ceiling, that's pretty high.
Starting point is 00:22:03 I've watched a ton of Will Levis, and I kind of go back and forth. Like, I tend to gravitate toward his talent, but you hear some things. You watch and play. There is something there just, you know, leaves you a little to be desired. I'm a Jake Hainter guy, but that's biased, Fresno State. Smaller quarterback's kind of got a little purdy.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Actually, don't hate that one. If Jake Hater is the next Brock Purdy, that that would be worth a third or fourth round pick for sure. And depending on who, you know, I talk to people that think he'll go in the fifth six and I talk to other people that think he could go in the third round. I don't know why you guys would be so quick to get rid of Kirk Cousins, though. Kirk Cousins is the least of your worries.
Starting point is 00:22:46 But he is a little older than you thought, you think. Because he was a fifth year senior. He backed up for a while. I looked at his age a while back and I was like, you know, I thought Kirk Cousins was like 31. She's out he's like 35. Maybe he will be 35 this season. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
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Starting point is 00:26:59 to myself here. I'm a long separate Lions fan. I have a question for you. What do you think the Lions should do regarding the quarterback? Do you think the Lions should stick with Jared Goff
Starting point is 00:27:10 for the long term? Or are we going to need a quarterback in the next year or two? Also, I've never been able to figure out why the Lions always sucked as an organization. Do you have any insight? Well, there's an element of luck
Starting point is 00:27:25 I would say in football when hiring a coach. And I would say for the most part, they have hired bad coaches. You know, when you, like the 49ers, for example, the 49ers, six years ago,
Starting point is 00:27:41 desperately wanted to hire Josh McDaniels. That was the guy they wanted. And they were going to try to convince Casario to come be his general manager. I think they thought they'd get Casario, they just didn't know if they could get Josh and then Josh backs out. And because Josh backs out,
Starting point is 00:27:55 they just get Kyle Shanahan. And six years later, they've won a bunch of playoff games, been to NFC, championship games, and been to a Super Bowl. If they would have hired Josh McDaniels, I'm pretty confident that under no circumstances would the Niners have been to three of the last four conference championship games and won multiple divisions of that time. So part of like, you hired Matt Patricia, who just sucked, you know.
Starting point is 00:28:18 But when you hired him and you hired, you know, Bob Quinn, it logically makes some sense, right? You're going to a good organization, even though most of Bill's guys fail. Jim Schwartz, right? You're like, could this guy be the next star? And he was kind of good, but wasn't good enough. You know? So you guys haven't had a lot of talented players over the last decade, right?
Starting point is 00:28:45 Some of those stafford teams had talent all over the place. And if you had somehow, I don't want to say luck didn't do, but just hired the next Pete Carroll with Sean Payton. Remember, no one. ever knows how good these guys are going to be. If everyone knew Andy Reed was going to be Andy Reed, 10 other teams would have tried to hire him when the Eagles hired him. Or when Andy got fired in Philadelphia, he would have had 15 outstanding offers. If everyone knew, thought of what Andy has done in Kansas City at the time when he got fired in Philadelphia, half the league
Starting point is 00:29:19 would have fired their coaches and tried to hire Andy Reed. So it's just, I think so much of it is about your coach. And if Matt Campbell is like the next Parcells, because that's kind of his style. He's going to be more of a Parcells than he'll ever be like an Andy or a Belichick scheming. But if he can be a Parcells, you fucking struck a will.
Starting point is 00:29:42 And you're going to be a playoff team moving forward because your team's really talented. And on the quarterback thing, I wouldn't force a quarterback. I wouldn't. I'd have no problem rolling with Jared Gott for a while because you guys are still a couple years away if you're making the playoffs getting bounced early to be complaining.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Right. So if Jared Goff at a relative $28, $30 million salary, I don't even sure what he makes, but he doesn't make that much relative to some of the top quarterbacks. Like if Jared Goff was making, let me look it up, you know, was making $40 million, then I hear you. But you could make the playoffs with that guy, no problem. Like this year, yeah, his salary is pretty, you know, pretty manageable here.
Starting point is 00:30:30 So this year he's making 25. Next year he's making 26. I think you ride that out, man. I think you do. Now, if you find a quarterback in the draft you like, obviously you pull the trigger and he probably continues to start for a year. But, you know, part of doing the Alex Smith, the Mahomes is the chiefs have already been having success, right?
Starting point is 00:30:48 The only success this team has had recently is with Jared Gough last year. they'd been shitty the previous couple years. So I would kind of want to see this play out for a year or two before I try to find my quote-unquote Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes or whatever. And the reality is every team's constantly trying to do that. But who knows? Maybe you guys draft a quarterback this year. Assuming the Rogers deal to the Jets gets done,
Starting point is 00:31:15 what do they do with Zach Wilson? Keep him as a backup because he's cheap and have Aaron take him under his wing for a few years and try to remold Wilson into a capable starting quarterback once Aaron leaves, retires, or trade him for picks and or players. I just hope the Jets have a real plan for the post-Rogers era, since you can't expect him to be here more than two to three years. Well, I think part of getting Aaron Rogers, which, you know,
Starting point is 00:31:39 is whatever this deal goes down, it's a year-by-year thing. Zach Wilson is going to just sit behind Aaron Rogers. Now, I think the big question was Zach Wilson, is he going to be the number two quarterback next year? is Zach Wilson going to be their backup quarterback or is Zach Wilson going to be the third quarterback? Because I would say this. If next year, even if Aaron Rogers on the team,
Starting point is 00:31:59 big picture of Zach Wilson is the third quarterback, it's one of the all-time whiffs in recent memory. Trey Lance got a chance to be right up there too. Trey-Lantz better beat out Sam Darnold and Brock Purdy eventually to be the starting quarter of it. If he's not, all-time whiff. It's an all-time whiff. Now, as long as you win,
Starting point is 00:32:17 and this is why the Niners is like, ultimately if they're winning games and Trey Lance, like it sucks, but whatever. So you get Aaron Rogers and you win. He's the third string quarterback. Whatever in the short term. But like that's pretty bad. That to me is the fascinating. They're not cutting him. Makes no sense they've already paid him, right? You got a four-year guaranteed deal. He has no trade value. I think the only thing interesting about Zach Wilson once Aaron Rogers on the team is he the backup. Or does he have to be the number three? say this about Jordan Love
Starting point is 00:32:48 like who's their backup quarterback you know I mean that's I'll do two more has Lamar financially done himself a disservice trying to hold out for a better contract 133, three years guaranteed not including the bonuses
Starting point is 00:33:02 is $44 million a year he's made $25 million last year on his fifth year option and if he plays on the tag is $32 million that's almost $32 million for both years left on the table and he's far and away and he's farther away from negotiating a second contract.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Yeah, I mean, I don't see how anyone with any common sense can go, Lamar Jackson is handling this well. Are the Ravens some moron stupid organization? No. Like, have they proven over the years to have a pretty good feel? Who's worth what? I think, like you said, $133 million, $44 million a year, plus there'd be incentives, he would easily hit him.
Starting point is 00:33:47 If I'm giving you $133 million a year, you're guaranteed to be on the team for like three years. So as long as he's playing, he's going to hit incentives. If he's good in one of those two years, makes a Pro Bowl, I think he would make $145 with his eyes closed. And like you said, be ready to hit free agency. And even if they got to tag him, well, the tag in three years would probably be like $40 million.
Starting point is 00:34:08 So even if they had to tag him after the third year, right, because they couldn't get a, you know, figure out another contract, you'd be talking about 40 plus million plus 133 plus some incentives. I mean, he could be at like $200 million over a four-year period. So, I don't know, man. His mom isn't exactly dominating and negotiating table. I'll tell you that much. And listen, I'm not here to make fun of moms, but you put the mom in that position.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Like, it's kind of a big role when you have a quarterback of that level. UCLA just, God, they got a lot of injuries right now. Being a Browns fan my entire life, it's been hard to stand by the front office and ownership for many decisions. But do you think it's all possible that Barry and the front office did in order to blow up the quarterback market? Guys like Lamar and Burrow expecting more guaranteed money, rightfully so, and their prospective teams weren't planning on giving it to them. One bad decision away from one bad organization doesn't set the standard, but it seems to have. set a couple crazy teams into a frenzy. Barry doesn't get enough credit as one of the better GMs in the league.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Well, last year you guys had the worst run defense in the NFL, and it was pretty embarrassing because he built a team that was ready to pass rush and didn't realize like, even in a pass happy league, if you have nobody that can stop the run, teams will run the ball down your throat. And they did. I would say this on the Deshawn Watson Andrew Barry front, that's an owner. thing. That is not Andrew Barry. I don't have
Starting point is 00:35:47 any inside information on this. I feel pretty good saying that I can imagine Stafansky and Andrew Barry were not loving the Deshawn Watson situation last year. I don't know if they would have signed up for tying the
Starting point is 00:36:03 trade. That feels like owner, owner, owner, owner. They were out. And then all of a sudden the only way they got back in the deal was the owner giving them all that money. So, yeah, man, I will see Andrew Berry. Like this is a good year to judge him on coming off a bad year, gets his quarterback.
Starting point is 00:36:24 We'll see if the defense can be better. But that to me, the DeShanna Watson thing was on the pie chart, I mean, 90% owner. It could be 90. Honestly, if you told me it was 100%, like if Stefanski and the GM Barry were like, yeah, I don't want to do this deal. The picks, the money. I don't think this is smart.
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