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Episode Date: June 22, 2024

This week on 3&Out John discussed some of the biggest stories in sports starting with his reaction to Bryson winning the US Open and how Rory fell apart down the stretch (6:31), did the Jaguars make the right move by giving Trevor Lawrence a massive contract extension and what does it mean for some of the other QB's that are looking for new deals (30:13), and the latest with the Brandon Aiyuk situation in SF (50:56). (Timestamps vary based on ads) Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Doesn't get much better than that. It really doesn't. And Pinehurst now going back to 1999 with Payne Stewart and Phil Mickelson going at it. I guess the only difference here is Rory and Bryson were not in the same group. Something I think golf needs to figure out. Just you can place whoever you. want in the groups. Put Rory and put Bryson in the same group. But we were lucky today. It didn't really matter much because Rory came out the gate swinging, birdies one, and then gets

just lightning hot. He birdies nine. He birdies 10. He burties 12. He birdies 13. And everyone on the internet was like, he's up two with five to play. Well, Bryson still had six to play because he was one behind. Then Bryson knocks it on 13, birdies that, and then let's face it. I hate using this term because golf's really hard. I don't care if you're Rory McElroy or you're me or you. It is a difficult sport. It's hard to make puts. And we have seen some legendary choke jobs in this sport a couple years ago at the PGA championship when Justin Thomas won Mito Pereira knocks it in the water. The most legendary one of all time is John Vanderveld in the open

when he I think triples the last hole. Ends up going to a playoff. But for Rory's standard, that was a choke job. He blew it. Three putt, 16, and then the putt on 18. And I thought Brandl nailed it. He said, listen, to the naked eye, that looks like a really good chip. But that is the wrong spot to leave it.

And meanwhile, Bryson's probably 150 yards. behind him under a tree and against a root, you could tell Bryson wasn't comfortable. He tried to get a ruling for a drop. Thank God the rules official said you're not getting a drop. And he basically had to hit in a bunker, which was going to be, as he just said, when he received the trophy, it's the best shot of my life. And for Rory to miss that put, you almost knew it was inevitable. He lost it right there.

And listen, he's had a chance over these last couple years to win a couple majors. you know, LACC, he did not make a put. Same thing with the British Open a couple years ago when Cam Smith won. He could not make a putt. That was not the case today. I mean, early on in the round, he's draining putts. Bryson basically won the tournament the first three days because he gave himself a lead. He shoot 67, 69, 67 as a three-shot lead coming into today

and was able to just kind of hold his mud. It's not like he ran away with it. Hell, he was celebrating incredible up and downs for parse. And once Bryson knocked it on 13, you're like, Roy doesn't have any margin for error. And I'll be honest, I thought he was going to make it on 18. Even though his feet were kind of open, he was kind of lined up weird, and that ball never had a chance.

And then the moment he missed and Bryson hits it in the bunker, you're like, okay, we're going to a playoff. Now, historically, the playoff has always been, and there hasn't been a playoff in the U.S. Open since Tiger and Rocco. I was like, okay, 18 holes. We're getting 18 holes tomorrow. I'm a podcaster. I plan on watching it all.

And then Tariko chimes in. It's now a two-hole aggregate. I'm like, okay, we get extra golf. I would imagine they just play 17 and 18. Rory DeCambeau, it's going to be incredible. And then Bryson, that bunker shot he hit on 18 was just freaking remarkable. I mean, once he hit that close, there was no way he was missing that put. And obviously he doesn't.

He wins his second U.S. Open. And I don't think I can remember. member anyone in sports. We've seen guys go the other way, someone that was really celebrated. Obviously, let's use LeBron as an example. In Cleveland, he was a rock star. He had the entire state of Ohio behind him. And then when he left, he kind of went full heel and everyone rooted against them. It's very, very rare. You see it in baseball sometimes when guys leave teams. You know, we saw it back in the Yankees and Red Sox heyday when a guy would jump over. This was the opposite. Bryson was not well-liked. People almost rooted against him. They thought he was a weird

dude. And, you know, in the golfing world, he had done things to rub people the wrong way. Then he bulks up like he's about to play defensive tackle in the NFL. And then he goes to live. And he kind of gets skinny. But he keeps hitting 350, 360-yard drives that are still just remarkable to watch. And now he's fun. And you know what golf has really missed? And I said this, when the live, PJ Tour thing happened. One problem is golf just has a bunch of likable guys. And in any sport, in any form of entertainment, you need to have people that I like rooting for and people that I root against.

And then they took all those guys. But then somehow Bryson comes storming back, feels like a completely different human being, has a YouTube channel that everyone I play golf with or everyone I meet that follows golf like, hey, are you watching Bryson's YouTube? it's a pretty big deal. It gets a lot of views. For example, live last week, got under 200,000 people watching.

He does 200,000 people in five hours when he posts a video on YouTube. And he's become really likable. And then you watch this whole week, how he's playing with the crowd. One thing Tiger did a really good job of. Now, he was constantly in just these miraculous moments, partly because Tiger would spray it around

and then have the crazies up and downs you've ever seen. The fist pumps were a huge part of Tiger's legend, his emotion. You could feel him when you watched him. Obviously, his resume by the mid-2000s was unlike anything we'd ever seen beside Jack, but you felt his presence. Now, Tiger was not high-fiving people in the gallery. He was not pointing at the crowd. But when you saw him make a big putt or have a big moment. He'd pimp that shot a lot like Bryson did on hole 17, or he would do the crazy fist, you know, up and down, both arms, go nuts, and that's what Bryson was doing. You know why? Fans like that. It's entertaining. It's fun. And that's what Bryson has become. Fun.

Scotty, who had a bad week, is on one of the greatest runs we've ever seen. There's not much emotion there. You don't see much. By far, not even close, the most interesting thing that will probably ever happen to Scotty on or off the course, was getting arrested a month ago and going in the orange jumpsuit. But he's not a big fist bumper. He's not a big, you know, lay it all out there when he does something awesome. And Bryson's the opposite. And listen, whether you liked him or you didn't a couple years ago,

when he's on the screen, I remember when I was young and grew up a big, San Francisco Giants fan. And Barry Bonds became very polarizing. Obviously, Cream the clear, he looked like Ray Lewis in his prime. But when he came up to the plate, everyone stopped to watch. Whether you hated him, whether you loved him, you had to see it. And that's kind of what Bryson has become. You just got to watch. And then the more you watch, you kind of find yourself rooting for him. Now, your boy, might have had a little parlay and might have just won almost, you know, so I was definitely invested in his success this weekend. But even if I had no money on the guy, like a month ago at the PGA, he was riveting TV.

His whole operation is unlike anything we've ever seen. Yesterday, he's asked on Saturday about how he soaks his golf balls in salt water to find the balance and make sure none of the golf balls are off. All of his irons are the same length. Now, sometimes he hits like a nine iron from 200 yards and you realize, well, his, his, you know, the degrees on his clubs are much different than basically everyone on tour and every normal person that plays golf. But you're like, what is going on? And he has these crazy 3D irons. He's playing these crazy rope draws. But here's the thing about Bryson.

He's not some golf creation in the lab. This is one of the, I would say, most talented golfers of his generation. He went to SMU as a Blue Chip High School kid and became a individual national champion in college. Then he won the U.S. amateur. Now he's won multiple U.S. opens. And before he went to live, it's not like he had never won on the PGA tour.

He was winning. This guy's a winner. He's been a winner since he was a young guy. This is a blue chip player. A lot like Rory, an elite talent as a youth and has carried it through his career. And that's what we're watching. with Bryson and you see in a guy right now who is in the peak of his powers if it wasn't

for a couple bad chips at the Masters he would have been right in that thing he finished tied for six he easily could have won the PJ Championship if the PJ Championship would have been 75 holes and not 72 holes I think he would have won even Zander admitted I wanted no part of a playoff with Bryson Dichambeau finishes second then he comes to Pinehurst which historically with Bryson you're like you know it's much more about placement, short game, putting doesn't quite feel. Well, here's the thing with Bryson. His short game is awesome.

I'm not saying he's Brad Faxson or Steve Stricker with a putter in his hand, but you are much more confident when that weird stick is in his hand than you are with Rory McElroy. He is a fantastic putter. And you're seeing a guy right now who hasn't figured out. And listen, Scotty Sheffler is the best player in the world. this week, remove it, but not debatable. You could make a very easy argument that Bryson's the second best player. I mean, Zander is having a fantastic year.

He is an elite player. Won the PGA, finished his top 10 here. He's in the mix every single week. He's an elite player. Rory is awesome. Bryson is every bit there equals. And now what we're seeing is in these big moments. For all these guys with Liv, you know, here's the thing for Kepka.

It was awesome to watch him win the PGA championship last year and get his fifth major. If I had to set the over under on Brooks Kepka's majors moving forward, I'd probably put it at 0.5. Like, I'm not expecting him to win another one. If I had to put the over under, even Rory McElroy, Rory's going to win a major. I feel very, very confident on that. Is he going to end up with 10? Probably not. But is he more likely to end up with 6 than he is where he sits now at 4?

Yes. I don't know when he's going to win it. but you put yourself in the mix enough like he had several times in the last three years, could have won at LAC, could have won it British, this was easily his best chance, he's going to win it.

Bryson is winning it. Bryson did get it done. I'd put his over under on majors for his career probably around four and a half, five and a half, somewhere in that range. Because Bryson, to me, feels like a five, six major guy, much more than he does, a two major guy. He's 30 years old.

Now, the health on Saturday, he's his hips give him problems because of the way that he speed trains but then you watch him hit you're like it doesn't really look like he's slowing down it doesn't really look like it phases him and his touch around the greens obviously what he did on 18 out of the sand if you put the average like low handicapped guy in that spot i think there's a pretty good chance most people end up with double they either blast the ball way over the green or they hit it way short then they three put that shot, and there was a shot earlier in the round, was a whole 10, where he left it short of the bunker,

and Brando's like, this is, this is really freaking hard. Hits a lob wedge is like five feet, nails it for Bertie. And so if you're telling me a guy that can hit it 350 yards pretty easily, when it came to the drivable 13th hole, Rory hit driver way over, now he still ends up making Bertie. I was like, why didn't he just hit a three wood and run it on? Well, what does Bryson do? Hits a three wood, runs it on.

easy two putt could have been could have been an eagle and i think he thought it was in he left it a little short but you have a guy with length we've never seen in a day and age where everybody is hitting the ball a mile long this guy's deeper than them all and honestly it's not that close and when he really gets into it especially on some of these courses with these hard-paying fareways he's hitting at like 370 380 yards and then forever it's like well he's got the one-legged club no touch how's he going to work his sand wedge and his lob wedge? Well, he's clearly got that figured out. And then he's an elite putter.

Now, listen, there's a lot of talk in golf, Twitter, Reddit, about the Olympics and their rules. He can't be in the Olympics. I do think that's stupid, because to me it'd be pretty easy if there were no requirements who are the best three American golfers

to represent us in Paris. It would be Scotty, Bryson, and Zander. They would be the pick. Now, Bryson's not going to get to go, he didn't get to go the last time because I think he got the vid right before and Bryson didn't get the jab so they didn't let him go but

it's clear and this is where the world rankings and all no one gives a shit about any of that just watch the guy play he's when he's on he's every bit as good as Rory and Scotty and one thing Rory just can't do for whatever reason is find

a way to win these tournaments and Bryson can't like Bryson played winning golf at Valhalla Zander just made one more putt, but he didn't lose it. Like, Rory, who knows? If Rory makes that putt, there is no guarantee that he's going to win in extra holes against Bryson. Honestly, there's probably not a soul that would have confidence that Rory would take him down. But at least you would give yourself a chance and said he didn't.

He missed it. And listen, it's golf. Sometimes you miss those puts. But like, Rory's one of the most talented players in the history of the game. but it does feel like something's missing because he has been on like a two-year heater

of just playing at an elite level besides Scott he's better than everyone on the PJ tour and that includes Xander but in these big four tournaments which he's even admitted it's the only thing he's playing for it just doesn't happen LACC and the old course it's like he just couldn't make anything

and then today he's draining every fucking pot from like 15 to 25 feet. It feels like Tiger Woods. You're like, this guy is going to run away with this thing. And then you come down the stretch, you three put 16. And I think that has to be, I mean, at the level in which, and they were talking about this on the broadcast, the pressure in which he's under.

Well, yeah, when you're Phil Mickelson, when you're Tiger Woods, now with Scotty Sheffler, like the pressure you're under is greater than everybody else. Well, the same thing with Steph Curry and LeBron and Peyton and Tom, like that's part of being the lead dog. That's part of being, you know, the guy carrying the flag for the sport. You got to come through in that moment. It's not a 15-footer to force a playoff.

Those miss and make league, I mean, sometimes you lip out, sometimes you, three-footer, you got to make that putt. And you've got to give yourself an opportunity. Now, that being said, everyone's going to, it's a devastating L for him, which is crazy because in this sport, he didn't lose. beat literally every other person beside Bryson D. Chambot. So like, and most people, there were

eight guys under par. He boat raced. He destroyed. He ruined. Like Scotty's, the Kepkas, those guys couldn't hold his jock this week. But that's not really what he's gunning for. We see him on a weekly basis kick most people's butt.

It's about coming through and making that put when it matters the most. And then an extra hole is finding a way to get it done. And let's face it, Some of these visuals we see when Rory was a little chubbier and he was wearing the Oakley, it doesn't mean much to most. Now it's on his resume. It's why he's become such a legend over the years because he won the major so early.

But we're living in 2024. And we're going on a guy who's approached his mid-30s. Like I said, I think he's going to win more majors. You can't be in the mix this often. Be that good and have the ability to play. so many different courses and contend and not eventually have it fall your way. Zander is a great example.

Zander was like he's never going to get over the hump. He's never going to get over the hump. Well, if you're in the mix, 50% of the time for a seven-year stretch, eventually some of the things are going to break your way. So over the next three years, if I was a betting man, Roy McElroy is going to win another major.

But this one stinks. This one hurts. And this one to me is dramatically worse. than when he essentially lost to Camp Smith and lost to Wyndham Clark. This one has to be, and he declined, they tried to interview him after,

he declined, which I don't blame him. Got to be pretty rattled. And Rory's the last guy to get on for, you know, not being gracious with the media and all that stuff. But you saw in a two-hour span, Bryson stole this thing because he had himself a little cushion

and then it was kind of coming off the rails and he just grinded and he found a way and now it feels like he's a little bit of the people's champ. And I've said this on Instagram because some of these videos, he feels like the new Phil, high-fiving people, signing people's hats mid-round, pointing at the crowd. There is just something, and there were a lot of stories over the years,

like Phil's kind of a snake oil salesman, Phil's kind of a phony. None of the fans cared. You know why? Because Phil wasn't enjoyable to watch. Phil was entertaining. And that's what this is. This is entertainment.

Now, part of what, adds to your legend as a golfer. It's what made Tiger such a legend is it felt like he never choked. He never blew it. And Phil went through a stretch where he screwed up a lot. And a guy with six majors, you know, Phil could have about 15. But that added to the Phil story. So this moment for Rory, as shitty as it feels, it's way better than finishing 11th and having seven of your shots shown on Sunday, but I can't imagine for a guy who is just, who's just playing four majors now. Like, once Brady got to like four or five, it's like, he's only playing for Super Bowls.

That's how like the Mahomes and Andy Reed Chiefs feel. The only thing that matters, I said this when the schedule came out, doing win loss or travel or they got to go east to west or none of that matters anymore. There is, there's one schedule that is completely irrelevant in the NFL, and that's the chief schedule. Because they're only games that matter. I'm not saying we won't watch and we won't talk about it. But as we've seen in the last couple of years,

games in October and games in November are relevant. They do not matter. They get judged purely on January games. That's it. And they're the only team in the NFL that can say that. And I think Rory, probably more than anyone, even more than Scotty Schaeffler, is only judged on these weeks. No one cares and whether it's fair or not,

when he wins the memorial or if he wins one of these playoff events or if he ends up winning the FedEx and taking down Scottie, it just does not matter. And I also think that's a cool part of sports when you get to that level. You're just judged, you know, at the highest level of your profession in your sport, whether it's like, listen, I got a little money on the Oilers. Like McDavid at this point in time, everyone knows he's Hall of Fame talent, he's going to win all these MVP's dominating everyone. He's just judged on the playoffs. And can he win a Stanley Cup?

And because Rory banks him early, he doesn't have like the ghost of can this guy ever win it? But he does have, is a guy ever going to win one again? And listen, you know where I stand, but you see moments like today and you're like, if you were on the side of the argument, he's never going to get it done. I don't know what I could come back.

Besides just, well, statistically it would show if you just stay in the mix, because today's a good example of the 18th hole. And they both, neither of them hit the fairway. And one guy ends up with a five and one guy ends up with a four. And let's face it, Rory's up and down, in theory, should be a lot easier. But he left the ball above the hole to the left and had a tricky little put. Bryson, meanwhile, leaves it below the hole, knocks it in. and I thought the whole Bryson experience is everything I wanted to sports fan.

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So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Trevor Lawrence. My first reaction was, holy shit. That is insanity. And several days later, I haven't changed my opinion that much. And I think the conventional wisdom when it comes to these contracts is the price only goes up. It can only go up.

That's actually not true. Stocks, for example, which players, I think, have a lot in comparison to, you're either ascending or you're descending. You're either going up or you're going down. you're not guaranteed to get better. Just because I buy something that's going up doesn't mean that it can't come down. Just because you buy something that's low doesn't mean it can't fly up. We see it all the time in football. See it all the time in sports.

You sign guys to low contracts and they far out seed and exceed those expectations of the money you're paying them. And we have a long list of guys, especially in football, that you pay a lot of money to and do not live up to the contract. I'll defend overpaying guys in free agency because typically they have a five, potentially a six year body of work. You have seen what they have done. This is essentially buying that it's going to get

dramatically better than what it's been. Now, unlike a lot of people I think on the internet, I don't just think Trevor Lawrence sucks. I don't like this guy over it. It's not really debatable that he has not lived up to the hype. Not even close. Andrew Luck, by year three, you knew the guy was a rocket ship. He literally was rattling off playoff victories with a pretty average roster,

and let's face it, a joke of a head coach. Trevor Lawrence last year, and here's where I knew, like, at the Combine, all these coaches in the media kind of area where they do their press conferences are just kind of lingering around. You can bullshit with them. And I've known Doug since I worked with him with the Eagles. And we were just shooting the shit talking about his kids. And I started asking about Trevor Lawrence.

And he loves him. And it was not like he had no reason to lie to me. I mean, we were just kind of BSing. And it was clear, like, I don't think he's joking. He really likes him. And clearly by the Jags, actions, they really like the guy. And I'm all four really liking the guy and really believing in the guy. But wouldn't you rather pay an extra 15%

of what you're willing to pay right now, should just feel really good about this? You just guaranteed him almost $150 million the moment he signed his contract. The overall practical guarantees are $200 million. Like, if I'm going to sign one of those contracts, I can't have any questions. Even if you're not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers,

I still got to feel pretty good about you. This is where I go to the Lions. Could Jared Goff today think that he kind of got screwed? Because there is no number on a contract if I'm Jared Goff that should be lower than what Trevor Lawrence signs for. This is not about hype. This is not about what people projected me to be. And this notion, and listen, I like Albert Breer a lot,

and I don't think he's wrong here. This contract represents what they think he's going to be. I think that's a crazy mindset to have. That's why you have draft. I'm drafting this guy number one overall, number seven overall, number 15 overall, because of what I think he's going to be in the next four or five years. When I sign a guy to a contract, obviously when you're a younger player under 25, 26 years old,

there's still room for growth. But you've got to be a large percentage of what you're going to be. I've already had to experience. His best year was two years ago. You drew 25 touchdowns. Last year was an utter disaster. And I think the Jags would say, he was banged up. Well, okay, can he play a season healthy and throw 35 touchdowns? Can he be clearly

one of the best six, seven quarterbacks in the NFL? Not a guy that many would say, God, there are a lot of weeks where he's not even a top 20 guy. I never understand. Let's just see a little more when you have a lot of questions. All for Micah Parsons right now after year three. If the Cowboys want to give him an astronomical amount of money, get it. I have seen him play at a really high level for a long period of time right now. If he just maintains what he's been, we're in good shape. Obviously, you want him to improve as you would with any young employee in any industry. But anytime you've got to guess like, God, I hope this works out.

That's crazy when you pay, I mean, just premium amounts of money. Now, Jared Goff did get double the amount of a signing bonus. Trevor Lawrence got $37 million in moments he signed a contract, which is a lot of money to 99.99% of people. Jared Goff got $73 million. Anyone that's taking any, you know, business or economic classes, time value money, you'd rather have money up front. Obviously with how much shit cost and inflation,

I mean, the dollars lost, what, 20% of its value in like three-year span. So, big win for Jared Goff. But when it comes to overall guarantees, there's a pretty wide gap there. So if I'm Jared Goff, I'm probably not losing much sleep over this, but it's kind of crazy. I also don't quite understand if I'm the Jags, the moment Jared Goff signs his contract,

whose resume is dramatically better, who's been doing it for a much longer period of time, also a number one pick. Also a number one pick, who has several seasons at a really high level that has led his team and put his team in the position to win a Super Bowl. Wouldn't you like to see just one season like, hey, coming off a rough year, let's bounce back,

see if you can win us 10-11 games, have us back in the playoffs, then we'll feel very comfortable doing this. Because we bought into the hype when we drafted you. We obviously really like the person, which matters at quarterback, the character, the work ethic, all that stuff, is a part that's hard for us to quantify on the outside, which obviously they like, which I understand. But this is a production-based business. You have to produce on the field.

Like, I don't know. If you're one of the great prospects of all time and have all this talent, he's like, well, we don't have the receivers. I don't know. You should be able to throw 30 touchdowns in 17 games in the way this game is officiated in 2024. So I'm not trying to act like I wouldn't want this guy on my team, but I don't ever understand the rush to sign guys. I would understand if he was going into his franchise tag year,

or he was a true free agent. You're like, got it. He had our back against the wall. We just, what were we going to do? Okay, I get it. It was a weird position. You were kind of stuck. You're not stuck at all.

Pick up his fifth year option, plays his fourth year, and let's evaluate another season. Like this number, this notion that it's only going to go up. Well, what if he has another season just like he just had? Would you feel comfortable doing that again? Because if he has a season just like he just had, this contract's going to feel awful. It's going to feel terrible. And you did not have to do it. So I guess my overall reaction.

was, like most people, this feels insane. This feels overly aggressive. This feels overly aggressive for what? Like, what race are you running here? Are you afraid to get laughed to pay an extra $2 million per year next season? If things go great, well, great. Then we're all feeling good about it. But right now, I'd say universally around football, like, good luck to you guys.

That seems pretty bold. And that's where the Lions like got to feel really, really good about the contract they signed. Obviously they gave him a big signing bonus, but they know they can win with the guy. They've seen him a couple years ago, win on the road in the cold in Green Bay, which is a huge question with Jared Gopening's never going to be a great outdoors quarterback,

but they're a don't team. And their team's really good. And they know for the next several years, they can win with this guy. You cannot with a straight face say that with the Jacks. You really can't. Because if it wasn't for one of the great, The greatest playoff collapses we've ever seen, led by a guy that will never be a head coach ever again,

they wouldn't have a playoff victory. They shouldn't have that playoff victory, but they do. And listen, Lawrence played really well in the second half. He showed a lot of mental toughness. But, man, that first half also happened, and that's really what he's hanging his hat on, like that game. Turns the ball over at just rapid rates, the picks. Here's the thing with Trevor Lawrence. and Andrew Luck was somewhat like this.

Like he doesn't have a howitzer. I would not say that he has a top 6-7 arm in the NFL. So his game at the NFL level is predicated on timing, rhythm. You know, he's got to play much closer to like Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers and those guys. And when you watch him play, that's not really how he plays. The fumbles were atrocious. I don't know, man. We always got to be early, do you?

I mean, do you? Couldn't you just take a deep breath and see where this goes? That's where I think the biggest winner in this whole thing is Dakota Prescott. Now, I could not, if I was the Cowboys, sign him to this contract. Couldn't do it. I have to see how this season goes. Can you win some playoff games? Can you play better in January?

Because if I'm signing you to this contract, and if anything, Dak would go, this contract, I'm way better than this guy. And he's not wrong. he's been better than Trevor Lawrence for a long period of time. Not even debatable. Under no measure could you make the argument that Trevor Lawrence is better than Dak Prescott.

And obviously, Dak's been in a league playing at a high level for a much longer period of time than this guy. But I could not do it if I was the Cowboys. If I have to pay quote unquote next year a premium after he wins three playoff games and we lose in the Super Bowl, great. That would be a historic moment for the Cowboys given that they haven't made to the NFC championship,

game since the mid-90s. But I just don't know how you pay this money to Dak Prescott because essentially you tie yourself to him for three, four years and you're basically just cool with doing what you've been doing. At least the Jags have the opportunity. What could be, even though what could be, there's a decent chance that never materializes in anything. Like, you do know what Dak is. You're just kind of hoping that he can have a hot stretch in the playoffs, which I've said for a while

it's definitely possible. We have seen guys who aren't as good as Dack have incredible stretches in the playoffs. I mean, that Flacco stretch is one of the craziest things we've ever seen. The Eli Manning stretches multiple times it was an outlier toward his career. But when you do that,

even if I got to pay you probably more than I'm comfortable with playing, as Brian Winhor says, you never apologize for championships. And it's true. Like, ultimately that Flacco contract didn't age well after he won the ring, but he won the freaking ring. The Cowboys can't even get to the last weekend of the conference championship.

I just think they're kind of in a weird position now. I can't imagine that had to be a jolting contract when it came out for the Cowboys brass. And I don't blame them, this notion of like, oh, they wait too long. Yeah, you can make that argument for position players. But with Dak, at this point in time, I think it's worth waiting. Another guy who I think is in a weird spot is Jordan Love. You know, he hasn't made any money in his career relative to quarterbacks, right? He was a late first round pick.

Instead of getting his fifth year option, I give the Packers credit, they kind of offered him this extension that was way lower in the fifth year option, which was more than justified he had never played a snap. So it was like two years, I think $11 or $12 million, which was a smart contingency plan for them. But then Jordan Love's last eight games look unlike anything we've seen out of Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has never had a stretch like that. One physically, he does not possess the arm that Jordan Love does. Jordan Love's eight game stretch while a small sample size did look like Aaron Rogers.

I mean, that's what it looked like. And then he went in to Dallas on the road and eviscerated those guys. But if I'm Jordan Love, because if I, I play this out, because if I have another year, like the last eight games, and I'm a Pro Bowl level guy in the NFC, I'm a $180,200 million guy. And if I'm the Packers based on even, I'm sure I love the guy, I feel very confident in the guy,

I drafted the guy, Goudicans and the floor, what he showed last year was incredible. I still would like a little more, before I cut that check. I'm probably offering more of the Cousins deal. Like, hey, man, we'll give you like $40, $45 million, but we're talking $100 guaranteed. We ain't sniffing the 200 number.

If I'm drawing in love, and I'm confident in myself. Now listen, football's risky. Guys get injured all the time. Things change quickly. I go, well, the infrastructure here is pretty awesome. My offensive weaponry is pretty badass. It's like the youngest unit in the league, wide receivers,

tight end, now we add, Josh Jacobs, like, I'm feeling pretty good about my chances. Let's see how the first eight games go.

Then maybe we can talk contract extension in the middle of the season. Because I would not sign a quote-unquote team-friendly deal. And listen, even if he signed him to a Kirk Cousins contract,

if that eight games turned out to be just like an outlier of his career, that'd be a disaster and that'd be a disaster fast. But if I'm drawing up, I'm probably feeling pretty confident that I can

replicate what I just did and become one of the best quarterbacks in the NFC. Because look at his competition. That's the other thing. And the AFC is difficult. You got Mahomes. You got Josh Allen. You got Lamar Jackson.

You got Joe Burrell. You got Justin Herbert. You got studs everywhere. In the NFC, it's like Brock Purdy. Really good player. Good team. Jared Gough. McVeigh once kicked them to the curb.

Dakota Prescott? Because back to DAC, like, If I'm the Cowboys, let's play this out. Just see how it goes. And if we lose in the round one of the playoffs, maybe it's just time for us to pivot. And you can go to the Raiders, which I'm sure would be gladly,

pay you a lot of money because they would die to go to the playoffs. I'm Jordan Love, like, I'm taking a deep breath. To a, what's even to be said at this point? How could any human being, including Mike McDaniel, including Stephen Ross,

including any dolphin fan, be remotely comfortable discussing these type numbers for this player. Based on the information we have. We've seen two straight years. He was banged up two years ago, which is a concern. It's not his fault he's getting concussions,

but he got him. And last year, just fell apart, crumbled like a cookie. How could you even entertain discussing any of these numbers? I couldn't. I'm not acting like he's some scrub.

I'm not acting like the guy should be a backup. But not everyone. should get these amounts of money. We've seen it in the NBA for years. It's like, wait, DeRosen and Zach Levine make the same amount as Anthony Davis and Steph Curry. It's like, yeah, not all contracts are equal,

even if the money is. Because some guys have a dramatically bigger impact than others. And when you pay Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, a lot of money, those guys are ass kickers. When you pay too a lot of money, that just limit your cap space, to have to surround him with talent

because he can't do it by himself. Hell, we don't even know if he can do it when he has help in the biggest moments when it gets cold. So I don't even know what the discussion is there. To me, it's a no-brainer. We're playing this thing out. And last but not least, like,

Brock Purdy has been objectively better than Trevor Lawrence. The only difference in the two guys is one guy was the most hyped guy since Andrew Luck and the other guy was a seventh round Mr. Irrelevant. But on the field, Brock Purdy's been a way better player.

David Lombardi, who covers the 49ers, tweeted out some statistics, and his agent retweeted it. I think the 49ers probably can't be happy with this number either, because now if Brock Purdy has another season like he did last year, Niners are one of the best teams, he throws 30 plus touchdowns, they win a couple of playoff games.

I mean, we're talking $210, $215 million a year. That's the price. I mean, that's the, that's the, going rate. And the difference of like Tua is like this guy's proving it in big games. You're winning with this guy. And we could argue is pretty good enough? We still got to see more.

I like him. I think he's been really good. But like I've seen him play well in big games. I've seen him come through in big moments. Can't say that about a lot of these other guys. Definitely Tua Tongue Vailoa. Same with Dak Prescott. That guy falls apart in the playoffs.

It's going to be awfully interesting. And I'm on phase by like This money's all relative It's not like 55 sounds so big No, this is the new number But just because it's the new number Doesn't mean everyone should get that number Doesn't mean every team should sign these long-term contracts

And we've seen in recent memory Some of these Russell Wilson It's been an utter disaster It's one of the worst contracts in NFL history The guy didn't even make it through two years They cut them they're eating $85 million in dead cap space I've defended Dak, he got a lot of money, but at least he's giving you 12 wins a season

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but Kyle has never had more downfield attempts than he has with Purdy and Iyuk. I understand that your point is Iyuk is never going to have as many catches as Aminra, but his impact with the ones he does haul in are more valuable. Iyuk averages 17-9 a catch, meaning he would only have to catch 10 more balls to pass St. Brown's yardage for 2023. Maybe 100 balls may be too many, but isn't entirely possible that he catches 85-90

as he continues to build on the work he's put in with Purdy? Not a huge advanced stats guy, but Purdy's average the most air yards per attempt this past season, meaning he is pushing the ball past the line more than any other quarterback. I believe Iyuk is a huge reason for this. Doesn't having Iyuk's medium to down the field ability to open things up for CMC in the box, his overall yak, monster numbers on the team, and they're new over-the-middle-the-middle-wall weapon in Purcell?

I think Purcell is going to be an outside-the-weapon, my man. I don't disagree with you that Iyuk's a really good player and his value is really, really high. Like he's a high-end starting winning player. But does Kyle think that he can replace that with someone else? Because where it gets complicated is like you said, his impact being threatened down the field matters.

But can I find someone else to do that for a quarter of the price? Where this becomes a complicated conversation is he's laughing at $26 million. He wants $30 million. Well, part of my offense, like, can I find someone in a draft in the second round that can ultimately do that? Can I sign some random free agent for $10 million that can bring me 80% of his value for 20% of the costs? And then my team's better on defense. That's where this puzzle gets put together.

In a perfect world, the Niners would get rid of, you know, obviously for the next five years, they would rather have Brandon Ayuk than Debo Samuel moving forward. But it's a complicated situation because of the money. I'm not anti-Brandan Ayuk. I just look at the way Kyle plays and goes, they have, you have to understand, too, they have other question marks moving forward. Trent Williams, one of the best players in the league, is 35 years old. So how are you going to get another tackle?

You're either going to trade multiple picks to get move up in a draft and try to get a guy in the top 20. Maybe if a guy becomes available, you trade a first round pick and you break them off with a huge contract. You know, Charvarius Ward, is he going to be on the team forever? So you're going to have to buy a corner. Your team becomes Purdy's about to get. We just saw what Trevor Lawrence got. Purdy's going to get that or not, if not more. it becomes a puzzle of putting money together.

It's why the 49ers haven't just handed him this contract. If I was a betting man, they probably end up paying him. But I do think these conversations have been long and hard. Because Ayyuk, like you said, his value to the team, he just watched them play. He's a very valuable player. But is he an irreplaceable player? We're going to find out here in the next couple months.

because if the 49ers don't extend him and make him play on the contract, then they view him as a replaceable player. If they end up giving him $30 million a year, then they don't view it that way. I do think he's not, he's never going to be a top five wide receiver in the league. And paying premiums for guys,

like I have no problem giving Nick Bose a historic deal. He's one of the best past versus in the league. Fred Warner, one of the highest paid linebackers, best lineback in the league. when they broke off Kittle. He was one of the best tight ends in the league. It's really good. And like you said, he's good with yak.

He's just a really good player. And again, I'm not saying St. Brown, like, if you could just have a draft, who would you rather have? I like both players. But it's easier to justify when I throw one guy 120 passes. The large percentage of my targets goes through him.

And not a large percentage of my targets go through this guy when I run the ball a lot. And like you said, You need receivers to move the defense around, but personnel groupings was the word I was looking for earlier. You know, summer brains a little foggy, drank a little too much last weekend. But, yeah, I don't, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you're saying, but I find these things very complicated when you're talking about paying premium amounts of money for guys like, can we do better? And listen, can you do better? there's no guarantee you can't.

And then you find yourself where you have a hole at that position. But I understand the complicated nature. Like Nick Bosa wasn't complicated. It was basically how much we're going to end up giving them. Christian McCaffrey wanted a race. Got to do it. If Trent Williams goes, I need a race. Got to do it.

When Iyuk says I want $30 plus million a year, you don't just write that check right away. You have long, hard conversations. They literally just draft a wide receiver in the first round. here's the other thing. Like Kittles been banged up a lot now. They're going to need a new tight end. So you just have a lot of needs.

You don't have unlimited draft picks. And when you're good, you're drafting at the end of the first round. So it's not like you're getting Julio Jones every year. I just think these conversations are very, very difficult. This is a difficult conversation to have. I understand both sides. This isn't Justin Jefferson where it's like, yeah, it is what it is. C.D. Lamb.

A.J. Brown to the Eagles. This is like, God, this guy is really good. and we love the player and he stands for everything we do. And that's why ultimately, probably why they end up eating it. But I would understand, like, hey, you want 30, we want 26, we'll give you 27 and a half, but we're not budging off that number. Like, not every negotiation is like, well, blank check, you sign it. Steph Curry, you tell me.

Aaron Judge, tell me the number. Otani, how much is it going to cost? That ain't this. That ain't this. And that's why I think it's so emotional because I use sees all these other guys because of the position and his team is not like kissing his feet even though they like them

these are tough conversations because of the numbers we're talking about they're really large even with the cap going up is Brandon Ayuk worth it is a legitimate conversation no matter what side of the argument or where you stand so I'm not

I'm not a proponent of trading them but if you told me they wanted to play this year out like I don't think that's that crazy either I really don't and I'd understand it from his side like fuck you guys give me my money like I get every

like this is a very easy kind of situation to understand all the sides I know my guy earlier thinks I'm a Lamar Jackson hater like the Ravens like what are you going to do when they were going back and forth Lamar like you don't have a choice you're going to pay this guy an ungodly amount of money

That's what ultimately ended up happening. You can see the different scenarios here. That's where I stand on this. Like, if I had to bet, he's going to be on the Niners. If you had to bet if a new contract, ultimately give him a new contract. Do I think, yeah, we don't agree on a number. We want you to play on the $15 million, $14.5, or whatever the number is. I can see that.

Trade harder to see because you'd be trading him for a draft pick, who does not help you now. but been falling in this league and sports long enough that you never say never so I think at this point in time until a deal's done you have to acknowledge

everything's on the table and one guy who some internet fans get mad at is Mike Silver like I don't know Mike Silver's known the Shanahan's for 30 plus years so when he reports on this stuff

he's kind of been right there's a little bit of an impasse like there's a number the team thinks or a number he thinks it's bridgeable doesn't mean it's going to happen. The volume.

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Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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