The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of Podcast: Jay Gruden, Robert Saleh gets fired, Belichick to UNC

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

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I've had a blast. A lot of football watching has been had. We put together a little special bonus episode highlighting. some of our favorite topics, some of my favorite takes from our interview. We had Jay Gruden on to Robert Sala getting fired to the surprise of it all. Who would have ever thought sitting here a year ago, six months ago, hell a month ago, that Bill Belichick would be the head coach of North Carolina. So it's all here.

Okay, very, very excited to have on the best. Best athlete in the Gruden family. Jay Gruden, Jay, live from Virginia, how are you doing? I'm doing good, doing good. I don't know, my brother was a pretty good athlete there. Until right after high school, he stopped growing. I kept growing a little bit, got to be six foot,

but he was a damn good baseball player and a football player for sure. I was looking at your Arena League bio. I'm born and raised in Davis, so right by Sacramento, and I saw you had a quick stint there in the early 90s before you became an, an arena league legend and rattled off some MVP's and championships. I gave a shot with a Sacramento surge.

Did not work out, so I went to play at arena balls, more fun. Is Arena League, was it just the time? Obviously, television has changed the game, but like, you would think that that would kind of work. If it worked in the 90s, it would have a place today. What do you think happened there? I think we just missed our window. We were too early.

It was a great league when I was in it. Players were getting paid a lot of money. Coaches were getting paid pretty good. It was very competitive. We're getting guys right out of the NFL. As soon as they'd get cut, we'd get them even before going to the CFL. I think we just got a little too big for our britches. The franchise tags went up to like $16, 17 million.

And the owners could never recouped that because they were guaranteed TV money or the NFL is going to buy in as used as a developmental league. And neither one of those things happened. So the owners kind of lost their ass and I had to get rid of it. When I worked with the Eagles, Matt and Aggie had just got there and he had a good career. and I remember watching him spin the ball. I'm like, I don't know if he could move like an NFL player, but clearly in the arena league, you guys had a lot of guys that could spin it.

In 2024 with the internet, obviously Warner kind of made the transition, but do you think there would have been more, the scouting staffs are way bigger now, would have been more guys make it? Because I would imagine, I mean, you see the XFL, the USFL, I mean, guys are getting shots left and right. Yeah, I think some of the-90-man rosters too. Yeah, for sure, for sure. A lot of guys would have got more opportunities.

of play where they don't get that opportunity once they get cut in the NFL or trying to get on the XFL. But this is a great opportunity for skill guys, especially wide receivers, defensive backs to really show their skill. You've got to be able to cover in that league. I mean, you've got to change direction and do some things and pass rushers as well. And then offensive linemen, some guys could develop as guards or tackles in the league as well. Just, you know, giving guys, young guys, opportunities to play more is a benefit. That's why I hope that at UFL works out because there are going to be some guys that can emerge from that be big time helps in the NFL.

How much time do you and your brother spend talking about quarterbacks? Not as much anymore. We still do quite a bit from time to time, but he's got his own show now going on. But we love talking football. That's all we know. So when we get together, we're talking football, plays, protection schemes, all that stuff. And then we'll maybe swing a golf club. But love the quarterback position and study that.

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I was thinking you know your brother really came on the scene right with that crew in green bay and far and I remember talking to Marty morning wig and he's He thought far as the best player he ever saw during that stretch. And obviously from a physical gift standpoint, you could argue, I mean, he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest throwers of the football, is athleticism. But when I think about the quarterbacks you've had, and even your brother, right, success with Rich Gannon and then he coached Derek Carr, you had Andy Dalton as the OC and Censi, and then you had Kurt Cousins.

You trade for Alex Smith. It's kind of like you go the opposite of car with the quarterbacks you like. Is that just, that's just the timing? where you were at the time, what was available, or did you guys, you specifically with Dalton Cousins and Alex, who was really good before he got injured? Were you guys like six and two that year? I mean, you guys, we had two-game lead in division, and he broke his leg, and then Colt McCoy broke his leg the next game after that.

So we were down to Josh Johnson, and it was a rough stretch there for about a year. So I guess the question is, do you lean, you can deal with a little lesser-armed quarterback if they're accurate, or is that just the cards you were dealt in those given situations? Well, Cincinnati is really the only quarterback I picked. Me and not myself, but Marvin Lewis and I spent a lot of time in that draft. We had a second round draft pick, and Blaine Gabbard was in that draft. Obviously, Cam Young, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker was in that draft. So we had to sit there in the second round.

We had to wait for 80 to fall. We were just hoping to goodness that he would fall. I thought Seattle's going to take him at 29, but they took James Carpenter and Lyman. And the other choice was Ryan Mout or Colin Kaepernick. And I really wasn't too involved in the zone reads and all that stuff at that time. So I really needed somebody to come in and start as a rookie because Christian or what's his name? The quarterback said he wasn't coming back. Carson Palmer.

Yeah, Carson Palmer said he was not coming back no matter. So we had Jordan Palmer on the roster. And Dan Lefebvre was all we had on the roster. So we had to get a starter. So we had to wait until the second round. And Andy was perfect because he started four years at TCU. They had a lot of different variances in their system. He was under center.

He's in a shotgun play action, quick game. He understood protections. And I knew that he could handle the offense at a faster rate than anybody else because there's also the strike short in season. So we didn't have a training camp or at OTAs in the off season. We just had to come to training camp, put the offense in. He had to learn it and start from day one. So he was perfect for us.

When I got to Washington, we obviously had Robert and Kirk. So they were my guys that we had to develop. My job was to develop Robert first. But as time went on. It was clear that Kirk was the better passer of the football and understood the game a little bit better and was more healthy. Robert, you know, after he broke his leg was never quite the same, probably. And then obviously when we lost Kirk, I found out on Twitter, my son found on a Twitter we traded for Alex Smith. I have no idea.

My son comes running out. Hey, you guys just got Alex Smith. I go, what do we give up for him? I guess a third round draft pick and Kendall Fuller. Kendall Fuller's are starting nickel. Yeah, I wasn't happy about them. I loved Alex. I love coaching Kirk.

but really Andy's the only one I handpicked for myself. And that was really the only guy left for us to handpick. I think there's a lot there by the time. Let's start with cousins who, this probably come out on Thursday, but I just had the big comeback. Do you think he became a better player or was coming into his own? Was he a different guy once he had been in Minnesota a couple years and the guy we've seen probably the last three plus years pre-Achilles

than the guy that you experienced? Or has he looked the same to you? I think he looks the same. He's obviously gained more confidence in everything that he does. He's a perfectionist when it comes to footwork and preparation. And he wants to know exactly why plays are in and the timing, anticipation, all that stuff. He's really good at that.

I think when Kirk really turned a corner is when he gained confidence in himself. He was always second fiddle here. Everybody wanted Robert, Robert, Robert, Robert. Nobody ever talked about Kirk. And then when the competition actually was going on, he still felt second fiddle because the fans really wanted Robert to succeed. and they were kind of against Kirk all the way. And then Kirk started playing good.

Once I announced him as a full-time starter, he didn't have to look over his shoulder. I think that's when he really took a huge jump as far as his production and his fear of not throwing interceptions and all that stuff. He got rid of all that, just played a position and really took over. We went nine and seven, went to the playoffs. He had a fabulous year and helped me get an extension. And then he went on his way and we went on our way. On the cousin's situation on Monday night, you know, they struggled in the red zone

in their couple trips and just, I mean, he's new to the team. But that final drive, it's pretty clear in that situation when a team has probably a buck 40 plus, kicking it out of bounds, you get the ball at the 30, you're one pass away from being pretty close to midfield. And clearly, you know, Vic Van Joe, in my opinion, has been one of the better defensive coordinators, I don't know, for a long time. But it felt like they were pretty soft, you know, and the safeties were way back, and those holes were pretty easy for Kirk when they were not getting any pass rush.

What did you see on that final drive that made it so easy for the Falcons? That was stealing candy from a baby. They ran our NASCAR crossed up with a spin and the dagger behind it, and he hit the spin for a gain of 10. Then they come back to No Head of it, and they play too deep Philadelphia in the corner jumps a flat route like a rookie would do, I guess. And they threw the dang bench route right over the top of for a game about 25. And then they played really soft.

The one thing I think had it been me as defensive court, I know they got a rookie corner out there, but the guy can't really move right now. You've got to bring some kind of pressure. And they brought a four-man rush. They weren't even getting close to him. And Kirk Cousins probably would be the best seven-on-seven quarterback in a national football league. His accuracy and anticipation, and he can set his feet and throw the ball. He is accurate as all get out.

So you have to get him off his spot. If you don't get him off his spot and he can step into a throw and see it, there's nobody as accurate as Kirk. He proved that last night. Yeah, that was a big time drive for him. early in the season with the new team. Going back to the Dalton situation, who's in the news this week, obviously, is going to start. But I think it's been talked a lot about with these rookie quarterbacks, the logic of redshirting them, which doesn't really happen anymore, right?

And throwing them right into the fire. Dalton falls under that category, had played a ton, clearly a mature guy, kind of like a Dak Prescott or a Brock Purdy, not your normal rookie, is it safe to say? But still, there is a big transition period. Like you said, you just didn't really have a choice. Is that an ideal situation? How do you attack that from a coaching standpoint? Because you see these, I mean, Caleb's really struggling, getting crushed. Bo Nix looks kind of over his head right now. And Jaden's just kind of running around. Yeah, you know, it's tough. Everybody's different. Every quarterback's different. And then you have to protect them with the scheme. And you look at some of these coaches calling these players. They're throwing nine bubble screens a game. I'm like,

dang, challenge you guy a little bit. But, you know, Andy was just a very bright guy. Another thing we had the good fortune of, we had a really good defense. And I didn't feel the pressure to score every time we had to call or convert every third down. I'd ran a draw sometimes on third and eight or a screen of the back or whatever it might be and punted and try to get the ball back. So we had a really good defense. Our special teams was good. And we, Andy did not turn the ball over and kept us in games. We won nine games this first year. He won 10 to second year and 11 or third year. Then I got the job of Washington. So, uh, every quarterback's different how they handle it. Andy was really well prepared on protections and newer to go with the football.

Not the most accurate guy all the time, but very smart and handled a lot of information and did a great job. Some of these quarterbacks, you know, they, I don't know if they can handle it or not. There's, there's so many different things nowadays. You know, in college, they're clapping their hands or looking at the sidehines or doing anything with protections. Now all of a sudden, they're trying to my point or not my point. I don't know who's free. And it's just a long way to go, a long process for these guys to get comfortable. They want total knowledge of the position.

Right now, I don't think any of them are. I think they're just snapping the ball, let the center call everything, and then a free rusher comes, he just throws it away or scrambles. So these guys have a long way to go, a lot of talent, but even some of the second year guys are struggling. We just saw Will Evans every game. He has a horrible interception or a fumble or something like that to cost his team. So yeah, these guys are struggling, but they just got to keep playing until they get it.

You bring up a pretty good point. Your Cincinnati teams were really talented. Good offensive line. You just drafted AJ Green. Your defense was stacked. But Andy, I mean, hit the ground running. And you look at Bryce Young, unlike your roster back in Cincinnati or the Niners or what DAC took over, it's pretty terrible. But on individual plays, Bryce looks, I mean, let's face it, horrendous.

So when you saw that decision, he couldn't be any worse, really, through the first two games, even independently of what's around him, is that you worked for a place where the owner had a lot of opinions that getting involved. Clearly that's going on in Carolina. What was your first reaction when you saw that? I think it had to be done. You know, I think when you look at a quarterback, you look at his progress and what's he doing good, what can we build on?

And I didn't see one thing when it comes to the quarterback position that you felt like you'd get build on with Bryce. I mean, his armed talent didn't look there, his decision making didn't look very good, his escapability didn't look very good, his stature in a pocket, his knowledge of the game, thrown into coverage. There was just nothing that I saw him getting better at.

That's the problem that I had with Bryce. He'd love to see him. Okay, he's getting rid of the ball quicker. He's anticipating some throws, but he's taking sacks, he's missing throws, he's throwing bubble screens in the dirt. There was just really no redeeming quality. I think they had to do it. I think the team, you have to do that as a coach.

And very similar when I made the move to Kirk. You know, the team sees the film. They're watching the film. And if you don't make a move, you're going to lose respect in the locker room from your players. And I think that's why Coach Canales had to make that move. So what happens now? Does he just run the scout team? Do you treat it a little bit different than a normal backup quarterback?

Yeah, I think you like a man and understand, hey, I didn't play very good. You know, he's got to point the finger to himself first directly, then get in the meeting room and continue to develop. Fannie gets hurt tomorrow or next weekend, he's back in the fire. So he's got to continue to prepare himself like a pro, understand that he's a young player still. And if you look around the league at some of these quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield, he's on his fourth theme already.

So there's still time for him to develop and he just got to be patient in the process, believe in the process, but really make himself better and understand the game. You talk about Colt when he was there with Alex. and I think cousins. And then I get asked this question a lot. And I think from just a peer evaluation standpoint, from a scouting standpoint, like talent is probably not the most important factor when you look at a backup quarterback. You know, your quarterback guy, O.C., head coach, what do you look for in a backup quarterback

beside like what he's going to cost relative to your salary? All things being equal. What's an ideal backup quarterback? Well, you have to make sure he's ready to go and play. if something happens. I know first-hand quarterbacks get hurt all the time. You look at last year, I think 19 of them got hurt. Yeah, a ton. Sixty-six guys played or something.

That's the number. They got to play. But you also have to have somebody that's knowledgeable of the game because he's not going to get a lot of reps. He's not going to get even in training camp. I want my starter to get most of the rep. I got to get him ready. And he's going to have to learn based on what he sees. And when he comes in the games, you have to be prepared. So you got to have a guy that you know is going to be prepared and understand your system, be supportive of the starter, help you with some ideas. Sometimes a lot of backup quarterbacks like Colt, those guys,

they had good ideas for third down or red zone or play action passes, whatever it might be. Just be involved in the process of teaching and working with the starter. And when your time's ready, you better be ready. And you've got to count on that got to be ready, despite hardly ever talking to him. Like, okay, this is, you're always talking to the starter, but you're talking to him as well. He's got to understand that and be ready. My first year, since the night, Bruce Grant Calsy was our backup. He was perfect. He was always ready to go, very smart. He got called in the first game against Cleveland, came in in in the second half,

had a great audible to get us the first down, and then threw a touchdown past AJ Green to win it. So, and always very supportive. Never, ever, was there any controversy between the starter and a backup quarterback? Everybody knew their place, and that's important as well. Would you say they have to be right there with, like, the kicker and the punters, the lowest maintenance guy in the building? Yeah, yeah.

But you don't want, you want them to be a little bit more active in helping and receivers and young receivers and offensive linemen and all that stuff. They're like another coach on the field. You want that type of backup in your building that can really help out and see the game and the big picture and really help out and help the head coach. And hey, you know, like I had Bruce and Colton. Those guys were great. They help out in lots of different areas, not just playing quarterback and worrying about

themselves. They really are a hybrid role, right, coach player? Because ideally they never take a snap. Yeah, that's ideally. you know, but they have a lot of knowledge. You know, the quarterback's usually one of the smartest guys on the team, and they can help out. And as a coach, you got to, you know, they'll help you with the pulse of the locker room as well.

You know, they're not snitches, but they will help you with the pulse of the locker room. Hey, you know, you're a little too rough on these guys today. You might want to take a day off or go a little lighter or whatever it might be. They have just a great idea of the pulse of the locker room, and they're a big help in a lot of different areas. I got this question recently, and I thought it was pretty fascinating. As a head coach, whether you're calling the plays or not, we often see the guys write little notes throughout the game.

What typically are you writing down during the course of the 60 minutes? On the game plan, you're just writing down plays that you called or what happened or what coverages you might have seen, maybe percentage of coverages you're seeing on third down. You know, you have different categories on third and two to five. Okay, we got man on this one. We got mad on this one. So, you know, they might play their cover three on the next one or whatever.

just little notes to yourself or you're making notes on play. Like if you got a star player, you haven't got him a ball yet. You got to try to find the plays that are best suited to get him that ball. And a lot of different things you can write on. Sometimes write down to referee's name, that guy just gave you a bad call. The guy's name is Bill. I'm going to get after Bill on his next arrive. You know, a lot of things you can write down on there.

Are you ever writing down like, so-and-so looks terrible? We got to make mention of this. He's out of shape. Or this coverage is a bad book. Can't all do that. I used to take my phone out there sometimes and make notes in my phone. People think I was on the phone, but I would make notes on that play two and walk through. We got to go over that protection scheme.

We got to make sure we find a third corner because our third corners aren't very good on special teams and they can't run and things like that. Yeah, oh yeah, you make those notes all the time as a head coach. Well, Jay, I appreciate you taking all the time and go have fun on the putting green, work on that putting stroke. And, you know, you'll be breaking 75 before, you know. I'll come back to the claw. You know, I went cross-handed. I'm regular. I'm now on the claw.

I don't know what it. Yeah, anytime you're on the claw, I know you've got a lot of things going through your head on the putting shrub. Okay, Jay, thanks, man. Have a good one. Thank you. It's the most wonderful time of year for getting in on all the hoops, football, and hockey action at the Draft King Sportsbook.

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Okay, the story of the day, Robert Sala gets fired. and I think before we dive deep in any angle here, objectively, he was a really, really bad head coach. Nice guy. People like him. Was a good coordinator for the 49ers. But as a head coach of the New York Jets, wins and loss to speak for themselves. He's 20 and 36. And when you watch him, you constantly ask yourself, what is he doing? And I was thinking about it this morning that certain guys, younger coaches, get their opportunity and become a CEO head coach. And we've pushed back on it over the years. A lot of you guys say, you're so anti-CEO coaches, look at Tomlin. Look at John Harbaugh. Well, yeah, look at them. They went to stable, well-run winning organizations.

We have a long history. If you become the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which only three guys have done over the last like 60 years, you're going to win. What about the Baltimore Ravens? Well, John Harbaugh, turns out he comes from football royalty when it comes to coaching as Jack Harbaugh produced two elite coaches. And he got to go work for, I don't know, Ozzie Newsom. He inherited a team with Ed Reed Ray Lewis.

Not a bad spot. Robert Salah went to a place that at a first, time general manager. An owner who most people that have been around them, that have worked around them, that just know about the Jets, thinks an awful owner in the

national football league. Doesn't mean he doesn't have money. Doesn't mean that he won't fund certain things, but in terms of clearly pretty impulsive, and when you work for him, more than likely, you're not going to win. Because I think there's a pretty consistent theme in the NFL that Robert Sala, if he was going to have success as a head coach, he could not have overcome this situation. You cannot overcome poor

ownership. Stofansky tried and eventually a bit him in the ass because now that contract really kicks in. Godspeed, Kevin. Now Robert did not even make it to this Monday night football game. Don't totally blame him. Like, this wasn't going to work. It simply was never going to work. And I was thinking about the GM, the reason that Aaron Rogers is on the team is because they had the number two overall pick. Once upon a time. And they've drafted over the last three or four years, a lot of really good players. They've been pretty good at personnel. But they whiffed on Zach Wilson. Now, if you wanted to argue, well, who else should they have picked? Trey Lance, he's even worse than Zach Wilson. Justin Fields, that wouldn't have worked with the Jets. Mack Jones, career backup. Yeah,

the options weren't good, but he's paid to know that. And he's paid to not screw that up. So yeah, Robert Sala has been bad, but they are in this situation because Joe Douglas essentially had to go to the blackjack table with all the money he had and choose to put it on black or red to save this situation. That's what he attempted to do because the Zach Wilson, the quarterback situation for the team, blew up in his face. and because of this weird situation of Aaron Rogers and the Packers,

him getting kind of butt hurt that they brought in Jordan Love, even though they paid him a bunch of money and him acting weird, and then he finally wants a trade. It's like, yeah, he's available. But he's also 39 years old. In the last year that he played for the Packers, didn't go that well. And the previous year,

one of the best teammates he's ever had in terms of a player, said, like, I need to get out of here because I don't think this guy's going to be around anymore. in Devante Adams. So it was kind of getting weird. So you were banking on Aaron Rogers to essentially save your reputation and save your coach's job because you were headed toward disaster. And when you put whatever amount of money, if it's all the money you have on black or red,

yeah, it could hit. And it could double your money. If you got $100,000 to go buy, put for a down payment on a home, you could walk right into casino, put it on red. If that thing hits, you got 200K. But if that thing misses, you got nothing. And it turns out the risk with this player, given what you have surrounding him,

in terms of Robert Sala, and then when you get Aaron Rogers, he forces you to hire a specific offensive coordinator, it's always going to come up the opposite color. And this was attempting to put a Band-Aid on a bullet hole. And Aaron Rogers, at 39, 40 years old, is simply not good enough to cover this up. Think about Tom Brady,

the most recent all-time great quarterback who changed teams. And he was a little older than Aaron. Now, unlike Aaron, his game wasn't predicated on moving around, but he got to go to Tampa, who you could argue had not been well. They had not made the playoffs in like a decade. But he did inherit some random Tampa Bay coach. He got Bruce Ariens,

a guy who'd proven to be pretty damn good. Well, Bruce is an offensive guy. So what's pretty important for an offensive coordinator? Just like Robert Sala, the opposite side of the ball. He's a defensive coordinator. Hire someone because you're going to have nothing to do with that side of the ball. Who's Bruce Arian's boy? Todd Bowles.

So when Tom Brady signed that contract in Tampa Bay, obviously he was viewed as the savior, just like Aaron Rogers, but he was inheriting, like the Jets, good players, but a really, really good coaching staff. Aaron Rogers did not. Aaron Rogers inherited a head coach in Robert Solid that you never say never, but is not going to be a head coach

for the foreseeable future. And no team, college or pro, will ever dream. And if they did wake up from that dream, it would be considered a nightmare of making Nathaniel Hackett their offensive coordinator. And this isn't personal. Like, I don't know the guy.

Hell, I wanted to root for him. Bald guy, UC Davis. Like, that's where he went to school. it's where I grew up. But you just, he's just terrible. He is not good at his job. And listen, he's not alone. There are a lot of football coaches in the NFL and in college who are stealing.

Because these jobs pay so much money. And most of them are glorified PE teachers. They wouldn't sniff any job making a quarter of what these guys. A tenth, Nathaniel Hackett's probably making 1.5. $2 million to be the offensive coordinator for the New York Jets. It's like he's fucking awful at his job. So in no other spot in the private sector, could you be that bad at your job,

make that much money, and hold a position? But the one thing Nathaniel Hackett is going for him is that the quarterback likes him. That's the reason, that's his job security. So if in the next couple days he's gone, it's clear the quarterback turned on him. Like the quarterback turned on Robert Sala. I don't totally blame him.

Robert Sala was completely over his head. Every time Robert Sala went to the podium, he found himself with his foot in his mouth. And listen, I talk for a living. I enjoy coaches that will say some shit. It makes my job easier. But I also understand when Belichick or Andy Reid goes up to the podium and says nothing.

What do they benefit from for saying things? Belichick said it the other day. Listen, we're obviously thinking one thing, but in what world would it benefit me, my team, my players, the coaching staff to go up there and say, it's a Cadence issue, especially when you know Cadence is one of Aaron Rogers bread and butter. It's such a BP fastball to go, you know what? We're going to have to take a look at this.

We'll meet and talk about it the next couple of days and work on it to practice. We feel pretty comfortable that we'll be able to get it figured out. And he could do that all the time, but he never chose to do that. he always would say, oh, he's in Egypt. Oh, this is going on. Zach Wilson, oh, this is happening. And he always felt that he was stepping in it. And why does that happen?

Because the guy is not ready for the job. And we have all been put in position. I would imagine in jobs we weren't quite ready for. That's part of life. I mean, that's part of moving on up in the world. But when you get put into a position where you're the boss, You're not middle management. You don't have a couple people answering to you.

Like the entire organization is looking at you and you are unprepared and you don't know how to handle it. You got no shot. And you definitely got no shot when you're with an organization as dysfunctional and as, you know, losing and failure is now interwoven within the Jets. It's part of the culture. Like they also play in New York where there's some other teams.

The Yankees, who I was watching the game last night, might lose the Royals. They easily could. And then it'll be like, Aaron Boone, they can never win. True. They're not winning in the playoffs. But I do think there's some merit

to what Billy Bean said a long time ago. Like, baseball's kind of random. My shit doesn't always work in the playoffs. Like, I know this. I watch the Yankees. They're in the fucking playoffs every year. They're pretty good. They kind of know what they're doing.

Are they going to beat the Royals? Who knows? It's baseball. Are they going to win the next round against the Guardians? I don't know. I mean, does they have a couple of bad pitching outings? Does Judge's back go cold for three weeks?

but I feel pretty comfortable as a whole, the Yankees are going to be fine. I have zero faith that the Jets are going to be fine. Absolutely none. And like if O'Brick gives them a little life, they'll probably lose against the bills, who they hire, like who's coming in here, you know, will they hire William Belichick? He clearly despises this organization. I don't think there's any amount of money they could pay them to get him to accept this job. But like this ultimately, if we look at,

at the last couple years, from Zach Wilson to the trade with the with the Packers, like this moment, this morning, this is the Jets. This is who this franchise is. They are much, much closer to the Raiders than they are the Ravens, the Chiefs, or the Bills. I mean, let's just call a spade or spade. Their owner is just a more wealthy East Coast version of the Raiders. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band

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We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, point game is about

defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Giamanka seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy.

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To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence.

We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire. that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit season two on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, well, well, Belichick to North Carolina.

I was thinking about, I think about this a lot, the importance, and I've benefited greatly from this. The, just when you say the word timing and timing being on your side, it's benefited me personally, you know, in a professional way greatly. And obviously some of the great business stories in the history of America, from Steve Jobs to Jeff Bezos to Elon,

timing has been a huge part of their success. Like Tesla doesn't exist if it's 1980. But he has the idea, the way everything's worked, you know, I would say economically where some of these states are moving, you know, in terms of what they're pushing,

it benefited him. He got huge tax breaks from California to build this and start his company, and it helped lead Tesla into just great, great, a very fruitful time. Obviously, Jeff Bezos starts a company that is selling books online. Well, part of the idea behind that was he realized the brick and mortar was in trouble. And then as time went, he adapted his company and now they sell everything, but it really wouldn't have worked without, I don't know, the internet, which changed the game. Think of Apple.

Like, you could argue the most important invention of my lifetime. Like the car, the wheel, fire, light, all that shit was already invented before I was born. Definitely the most impactful one has to be this phone, which they clearly have a market share on, right? If you sit down with 100 people, I would say close to, it's shocking when you don't see one of them having an iPhone. Now, obviously, it wouldn't be 100%, but I would guess if you just, grabbed 100 people, that number is much closer to 90 than it is 70 and potentially closer to 100 than it is 80. So I've benefited from that. What I'm doing now, when I got out of radio, if it would have been 1993, this would not have existed. I couldn't have done a radio show,

which are podcasts, obviously that is different, but in create a studio from my home. It wouldn't have been possible. Partly because the internet didn't exist, I wouldn't have been able to distribute it, you wouldn't have been able to find me. I remember the first time I heard who Chris Russo and Mike Francesa were, and I started listening to them on the internet. Well, when I was a kid, when they were crushing it in New York in the late 90s, I was a sports radio junkie. But you didn't have access to people outside of your market. You didn't even know who they were. I remember the first time I ever saw Jim Rome's picture. I'm like, that's what he looks like. Imagine now, listening to someone in an audio form and not knowing what they look like.

The access we have to a visual of what a guy looks like is so easy. You Google them, you go to their Instagram account, basically you pull up their podcast, you see their picture. When I was a kid, you listened to the radio, you had no clue what anyone looked like. In talk radio, obviously musicians, you did. And timing has changed the world, right, when it comes to the Internet and the businesses associated with the Internet. Well, when you look at North Carolina, like, they benefited a lot from they're one of the only jobs open right now that has a lot of money behind them.

And Bill Belichick clearly was looking ahead and realizing I'm probably not going to get an NFL job. Or it's not worth the risk of I might only have one or two interviews and there's no guarantee I am. So the old adage of bird in the hand is better than two in the bush and he jumped at it. But there is no disputing that North Carolina. historically is not a great college football job. It's not bad. It's had its moments. But when you think of top, I don't know,

40 college football jobs, I don't even think you would list North Carolina. Now, the world has changed with NIL. There is a giant elephant in the room with a massive job potentially opening. Ryan Day, after he lost to Michigan, listen, there were already some question marks, regardless of what the media wanted to tell you.

Once he lost that game, no one surrounded with the game. that program, alumni, booster, or people working as chancellors, board of directors, or athletic directors can look at the guy the same. They just can't. He's got a game here in about eight, nine days, at home against Tennessee. If he loses that game, you can't convince me that they wouldn't rather have Bill Belichick than Ryan Day coaching them. Here's the problem. You can't fire Ryan Day today because you still have this game. But there is a very, very good chance that if he loses that game, you're like, we would have easily fired him for Bill Belichick. Now, we'll see as

the information comes out was a huge sticking point for Bill making his son the coach and waiting. I don't have this information at the time I'm recording this. But even if they wouldn't, you can't convince me if Bill goes, because he's willing to take a college job. Obviously, he literally just did. He's cool with it. He's all in. That he wouldn't have taken Ohio State, and Ohio State people wouldn't want him over Ryan Day.

Because what is the big question mark right now with Ohio State? It's not money. It's not NIL. I just read a report that North Carolina, one of their sales pitches to Bill was, we'll go from 4, 5 million NIL, we'll get that bad boy up to 20. Ohio State paid 20 this year without blinking an eye. I saw the printout of the highest paid coaches, assistant coaches, this year in college football. Two of them run Ohio State staff.

Chip Kelly makes $2 million, and their defensive coordinator makes about two and a half. So those two coordinators make NFL coordinator money. And they also have a wide receiver coach who's their recruiting coordinator, make it well over a million. So in terms of staff budget, in terms of NIL, and in terms of, prominence, standing, everything's surrounded with it. Ohio State has it all. Part of taking the North Carolina job is

there's going to be some effort Bill's going to have to put in to get the top players, even with NIL. And you can sign the biggest checks, but it's still going to take some time. Ohio State recruits itself. That has never been an issue. My entire life, they've always got the best players. You give them Bill Belichick, because the question mark with the program has been toughness, physicality.

Where do they wilt when they play Michigan? Why? Because they're just not as tough. It's not in their soul. not in their ethos. What do you say when you think Bill Belichick, you think defense? That is truly his baby.

Building a program of tough guys. Honestly, when you think his offense, same thing. Tom Brady, an underrated, intangible he has? Tough motherfucker. Julian Edelman, Logan Mankins,

Rob Grunkowski, all the guys they had in the iteration in the early 2000s. Tough guys. North Carolina, I don't know how good he's going to be. Like, I think their team's going to,

to be, you know, above 500 next year, but I'm not predicting they're making the playoffs or anything. I think in the next couple years, they are going to be something to be reckoned with. But if you put him at Ohio State next year, like, what is honestly Bill's biggest advantage? He's smarter at football than everybody. Maybe Andy Reid's probably the one guy now who's elevated to his level. But Bill's X's and O's ability at every position is better than everybody. When you watch Ryan Day, it's like, well, he's a pretty good passing game guy. But the rest of the team, defense, little hit or miss. Toughness, definitely hit or miss.

And it's like the running game since Urban Meyer left has just not been the same. And it's not because of players. So I wonder if Ohio State, and listen, there's nothing they could do. It's just kind of bad timing. They were a week away of, why wouldn't they immediately call this guy?

Can we fire Ryan Day and hire this guy? The problem is, as of December 11th, it would be difficult to fire Ryan Day. And I'd think timing wasn't on their side because I wonder if this was a little different that if Bill was willing and there's some pressure on Bill to take this job because recruiting the transfer portal is open

if he was a week away that he could be the head coach at Ohio State. And even if they wouldn't acquiesce to your sons the coach in waiting, well if Bill wins a national championship, they'd probably let him do whatever he wants. You want to make Steve the next coach? They literally just did it with Urban Meyer.

Ryan Day had never done shit. He'd been a position coach. Coordinator kind of, you know, before he got to Ohio State. A couple years with Urban, boom, he's the head coach. So if Belichick were to win a title with is what Urban did, they would be cool with letting them hand it off. They literally just did it.

And for their standards, they wish it was a little better. Still not bad. But I wonder if you're an Ohio State fan, you go, God, couldn't we just ahead Belichick? If I told you right now if you're an Ohio State fan, would you fire Ryan day to day even going into this playoffs to hire Belichick? Even if it meant losing to. Tennessee, of course you would.

Because the reality is, you might lose that game anyway. And then you'll probably be stuck with the guy for another year. And if I also told Michigan, definitely if I told Michigan, Sharon Moore, the AD, and everyone associated with that program, if I told Penn State and James Franklin, if I told Oregon, if I told Alabama, if I told Georgia, would you rather play Ryan Day or would you rather play Bill Belichick?

Would it take them a second or two seconds to answer that question? So, massive day, for UNC. And if I was Ohio State fan, I'd be like, so Belichick's cool with coming to college? Like, he's actually doing the jump. And we're stuck with Ryan Day and Chip Kelly. We might lose it home in a week to Tennessee.

After Michigan, just beat us when their quarterback through for 60 yards. It's got to suck. Talk to you guys soon. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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What's up, fam, it's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game. the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was hungry. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming to, he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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