The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best Of - Reddick wants out, Darnold gets ANOTHER shot, Nick Sirianni's future in Philly

Episode Date: August 17, 2024

This week on the podcast John dove into the top stories that captured the NFL headlines starting with Haason Reddick, who hasn't done anything with the Jets since getting traded to them on April 1st requesting a trade out of New York (6:56), Sam Darnold getting another shot to start in the NFL after J.J. McCarthy is out for the season with a torn meniscus (15:50), and the lose-lose situation that Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni is in, in Philadelphia (24:07). #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's got back from a little golf. And putting together a little best up because we had a lot going on in the football world. This week started with a crazy situation going on with Hassan Reddick, who requested a trade after he was already traded and still hasn't shown up. So the Jets got some issues going on there. Darnold, after J.J. McCarthy is officially out for the year, gets an incredible opportunity that some guys, people in his shoes don't get again, and he's got a lot of money in the line. And then Nick Siriani, who is he in a lose-lose situation?

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the game time app today last minute tickets lowest prices guaranteed it is really hard to be successful in any walk of life in any industry as just a human being when chaos is all around you uh i had no business to not somehow wind up successful i had two parents they both had jobs uh my dad was on my ass 24 7 365 with school, not just attending school. If I ever got caught, you know, skipping class, I got in a lot of trouble, but having good grades pushed me to go to college. I never had a dinner unless I got kicked out because I was in trouble, that there wasn't food on the table. I had no business not to quote unquote make it in life. And we've all known people, especially the older you get, that grew up in chaotic situations, whether it was parent situations,

whether it was financial situations. When I went to work at Fresno State, saw some of the guys on our team, what they had to overcome to put themselves in college, the first guy in the history of their family to get a college degree. I remember Coach Hill taking such great pride in that because of what a big deal it was. Most guys were not going to go on to the NFL. But this isn't necessarily about sports. Like some people's path in life is much more difficult.

And when they make it, they deserve more credit. it. It is much harder to make it out of chaos than it is when everything's laid out. Now, that doesn't mean you're guaranteed anything. We've known a lot of people with easy access to stuff who have failed, but I give you a lot more credit when you overcome dysfunction to be successful. That's for business, that's for life, that's for any personal situation. I have a lot of admiration for that. And obviously working in football in college in the NFL, you saw a lot of that. Guys overcoming just crazy odds. Now, obviously they had God-given athletic ability, but some of their circumstances when

they were young, it's crazy how they were able to make it. And usually you need some stability in your life, whether it be a coach, whether it be a parent, whether it be a grandparent, whether it be some other mentor to kind of help you out and lead you that way. because most humans get distracted easily. I thought Belichick, for 20 years in the peak of the Patriots' powers, did a really good job of the moment they had a question mark, like we're going to Tom Brady, Drewberies, trade him immediately.

The moment a guy gets in trouble, no matter how good he is, Chandler Jones, he's gone, he's on another team. The moment there's a contract situation, we're not going to pay you, he's traded. Not because he didn't value those players. not because he didn't think he needed those guys to win, but you can't overcome distractions in a sport and an industry that demands so much focus and attention on what's going on.

And the different media markets obviously bring in more craziness. And there's no bigger media market in America than New York. So everything's under the microscope with the Giants, with the Jets, with the Knicks, with the Mets. It's crazy. It really is. And it's just different depending on where you are in the country. That being said, when you have chaotic situations as a team,

even if things are normal in your position room, with your coordinator on the practice field, you get asked about it constantly. And the Jets, who last year, no fault of their own, they trade for Aaron Rogers, spirits are high, they're on hard knocks, people like me are like, They're going to win the division. Terris is Achilles.

And then it just came off the rails and was a complete embarrassment the rest of the season. The Zach Wilson experiment that they tried to kind of have their cake and eat it too. Instead of getting rid of them, they kept him on the team. Then by the mid-season, he got benched and he didn't want to come back, and he was complaining that Rogers was supposed to be his friend and his mentor, disappeared. And it was a joke. It was typical jets. Crazy.

dysfunctional, chaotic. That is kind of what they're used to. And usually, I don't care how much talent you have on their team or on your team and who's coaching you, you're going to lose in that situation. And they lost pretty consistently. And they weren't any good. And then this season, it's like, okay, Rogers, 40 years old, healed. We had some pretty normal veteran good guys, Tyron Smith, Mike Williams.

We got some young ascending stars. Let's just take care of business. Let's give ourselves a shot to not be that chaotic. Then they trade for Asan Reddick from the Eagles, and the reason the Eagles traded him, we've talked about this a million times, because he wanted more money. And the Eagles said, we're not going to give you more money.

It was public knowledge. Then the Jets trade for him, and as of August 12th, he didn't show up to OTAs. He hasn't been there in training camp, and he officially asked for another, trade. And if they were to trade them, I think it would be the first time in NFL history. A guy got traded to a team, never conducted one moment with that franchise on the field in a meeting

room, did nothing, and then got traded again. Which obviously when you see it gets requested trade, everyone laughs and mocks the jets because you realize they're not going to trade them. The Antonio Brown situation, let's let's, you know, go back five, six years with the Raiders. He practiced during OTAs. And I, remember knowing some guys on that staff, they're like, he's our best player by a mile. He's incredible. And they were really hopeful.

Then obviously after the summer, things get weird. He burns off his feet. And then it just turns into a mess. And he, like, demands to get traded. They cut him. It was an embarrassment for the organization. But in that situation, at least he had practiced. And they thought they had something.

They're like, God, this guy's incredible. This guy's going to help us out. I do not understand trading for a player who wants more money. and then assume everything will just be worked out without being willing to give him more money. So Joe Douglas puts out a statement immediately, like, we're not trading him. He has to follow the rules. He's getting fine. The CBA, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

None of that means anything. And Hassan Reddick is losing money by the day. I think his fines are already over a million dollars. But like, how is this thing going to be solved? If you are the Jets and you are Joe Douglas and you're not willing to give him a pay raise, And I think at this point in time, we have to assume that they don't plan on paying him. So eventually, Reddick, if you take that tactic,

we'll just show up because he's not going to miss game checks. You wouldn't think. So you're going to bring a disgruntled player that you do not know, that you've never coached, that does not know your scheme. There is no cohesion there. Into your locker room? When the only thing you tried to avoid after last year

in the previous couple years with the quarterback of disasters, the offensive coordinator, just being completely over his head and everyone making fun of you, is to bring in a player with pretty high name recognition who is pissed off,

who clearly isn't happy with you. I just do not understand how they didn't see this coming. I can't even fathom imagining a different outcome when you knew you were trading for this player in this situation and with these circumstances. And this is why, and I said this at the Combine,

when you're there in Indy, and you actually see the teams, and you start talking to people, and you just realize the overwhelming majority of the league, there are 32 teams. You could argue 10, maybe 12, are well-run and have a shot every year. And for the most part, it's the same freaking 12, 10 teams all the time. That's why the majority of the,

the playoffs over the last even just half decade have been run by the same teams. It's why for a long time in the peak of the Brady Belichick, it were the same three or four teams. It was the Ravens, it was obviously the Patriots, it was Peyton Manning Squad, it was the Steelers, like a couple other teams rotated in and out, but there were consistent teams. Now in the NFC, the diners, the Rams, the Eagles and the Cowboys, right? Doesn't mean they don't have weird situations, but they are so. so much more well-run consistently. The lions now have thrown their hat in the ring with their operation,

at least based on a small sample size. And then you have the Jets who have the record currently for team sports playoff drought. And I just don't think it's a coincidence. It's funny with opportunities. Sports, a lot like life, they can come and they go. And sometimes certain people get more than others. others for whatever reason, for whatever circumstance. And some guys get an opportunity, fail, and never get that shot again.

When you look, and we've talked a lot about the 2021 quarterback class, Trey Lance is never getting a chance to be a starting quarterback ever again. I would say the same thing about Zach Wilson. It's never happening. It doesn't mean they can't become one with injuries, worked their way up a depth chart. They will never be named the starter. As of right now. Justin Fields gets traded to a team with another quarterback

that someone just paid $80-plus million a dead cap to kick away. Can't beat the guy out. Mack Jones, very difficult for him to become a starter again. These guys have been in the league just a couple years. Already flipped like that. Yet Sam Darnold, who looked like his career was down the drain, got a lifeline. And it actually didn't start this year.

Started the last year with Kyle Shanahan. And I do think that belief in a coach who's viewed as one of the best offensive coaches in the league changed the perception about him. Goes there, he just told Albert Breer, because let's face it, early on in his career, it was kind of embarrassing. But we talked about this yesterday when it comes to the jet situation. Most people can't overcome chaos. Most people can't overcome dysfunction.

Most people can't overcome awful coach. coaching. And that's what Adam Gase was. That's what Matt Rule was as an NFL coach. Yet he goes to Kyle Shanahan. He's their backup. And they all really liked him. They felt comfortable if they had to start him in a game. And at one point in time last season, after Purdy got a concussion, that Sam Darnold was going to start. Turned out Purdy cleared, ended up starting, and Sam just basically started the last game that they punted against the Rams with a bunch of backups. But then Kevin O'Connell came calling. So I want to give you a lot of. So I want to give you a $10 million.

We're going to draft a quarterback more than likely. We got a couple first round picks. But you're going to be our starter. He said that in OTAs. He said that in the start of training camp. And he hasn't relinquished that, even after J.J. McCarthy looked good. Then it turns out a couple days later,

J.J. McCarthy needs knee surgery. Now, as of right now, torn meniscus. From what I read, you don't know how long you're out until they do surgery. Could be a month. could be the season. Sucks. If you're a Vikings fan, that is not what you want to read.

Glass half empty. If he misses the whole season, you get all those reps. You know, Patrick Mahomes, a big part of his success, even though he redshirted, was all the reps in practice, constantly getting better, getting used to Andy Reed, starting the last game, building that momentum in the year two. That would be off the table, obviously, if he's out for the year. Best case scenario, post-surgery,

misses the rest of training camp, maybe a couple weeks in the regular season can come back, run scout team, everything's fine. But the bright side is, this is not the Bears. This is not Washington. You didn't name your rookie the starter. You weren't planning on starting him or even playing him. In a perfect world, he wouldn't play all season long. And he signed Sam Donald. And now he has an enormous opportunity around a young offensive coach that many believe is a rocket chip with the best wide receiver in the league with another guy who's probably going to get suspended because of a bad DUI but when he does come back after two or three games is one of the better young wide receivers it looks like in the league in Addison

they signed Aaron Jones last time I checked he's a stud they have a superstar offensive tackle that they just gave a lot of money to and it's an incredible opportunity and if you're lucky enough to screw something up even if it's not all your fault and get hands to handed another opportunity, you've got to take advantage of it. And luckily for Sam Darnold, he's not playing for a huge contract for the Vikings. They're going to go to J.J. McCarthy, unless they have to amputate his leg. Like, J.J. McCarthy's going to be the Viking starter in 2025. But he's playing for a lot of other teams that have a lot of question marks at quarterback.

Some do not have a quarterback. And if you can be a 26-year-old who can be successful with Kevin O'Connell, who has Kyle Shanahan on your resume as a reference, someone's going to pay you. Someone's going to give you some money. And you can go from a laughing stock in this league, especially when you're a highly drafted player, to someone people covet pretty quick.

We just saw it with Baker Mayfield. No one would touch him. Then he goes to Tampa. Resurrect his career gets $100 million. I'm not saying that's going to happen here. I wouldn't bet my life savings on it. But I do know the wrong. right people believe in this guy and think there's something there.

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The Eagles look really good, as they should. I mean, they got a highly paid roster on offense. Quarterback makes a ton, wide receivers make a ton, tight end makes a lot, Sequin Barclay. Offensive linemen, both tackles are paid, guards paid. They got good players everywhere. They look good.

I started thinking, right? Because McCarthy, Siriani, We're going to talk a lot about these two guys. I feel like I've come to the defense of McCarty. I'm like, well, I know he's let you down in the playoffs, but he's won the division two out of three years. They won 12 games, three straight years. They, he took the play calling and proved that he can call plays. Do I think he's Andy Reid?

No. But is he better than the way the conversation is being talked about? Probably. Now, with the Eagles, Siriani almost feels like he's in a no-lose situation, or excuse me, a no-win situation. situation. Because if they lose, he's obviously screwed. But what if they win? And what if the offense is awesome? Well, there's no pretending anymore. We all know. He's been excommunicated, told, be the true CEO, stay away. Try not to get in people's way, essentially. So if the Eagles

have success specifically on offense, guess what? Two years ago they had that happen. And they let the offensive coordinator, go to the Colts. Clearly, if they could have a redo last year, they would have taken a redo and just kept Shane Syking and gotten rid of Sireana. But now they have Kellan Moore, who checks a lot of boxes. In my opinion, he's one of the better college players I've ever seen. He was remarkable at Boise State. A dominant individual. I mean, those teams were awesome. So played quarterback at a really high level, even made it in the NFL for a while as a backup, transitioned immediately to coaching,

and within a couple years was calling plays in the NFL, an NFL play caller, starting at like 31 years old. So he has many years of calling plays. Now for several different quarterbacks, Dakota Prescott, Justin Herbert,

and now Jalen Hurts. Well, if it does go well on offense, and he has a good rapport with the quarterback, because let's face it, Does Jalen have that much on the line this year? Maybe with us that talk about football or fans. But financially, no. He's already been paid.

He's one of the highest paid guys in the league. He got his, as the kids say, bag. I hate that word because you don't get bags of money. This isn't the mob. You get direct deposits that are taxed. But that's a conversation for another day. But regardless, I would say Kell and Moore, has a lot to gain

because it's kind of twofold. One, he has a ton of success. He'd be a lock to get head coaching interviews. But how would the Eagles let him go? Do they value Siriani's CEO approach that much that they would risk the guy that they've given the biggest contract in the history of the franchise

who can impact that guy, letting him leave the building again? They just had that happen. Once you break up with someone, and regret it, well, if you find yourself in another good relationship and you go, maybe I shouldn't go down that road again. And to me, that's kind of what the Eagles feel like.

They have a previous situation in which they know they don't want to experience again. And if the Eagles are good on offense this year, if their team's good, I don't see how Kellyn Moore gets out of the building. So you could argue that if the Eagles lose, Siriani's done. Even if the Eagles win, he's probably in trouble as well. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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