The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of the week

Episode Date: April 20, 2024

John dives into his best of from the week that was with his breakdown of the top WR's in next weeks draft (4:30), who he thinks the best pass rushers are and where they would best fit in the NFL (17:27), what the Patriots and Giants should do on draft day (39:11), and how Bill Belichick was made for TV (50:34). Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Marvin Harrison, Malik Navers, Roma Dunze. and also on the past rushers. Dallas Turner of Alabama, Latu, Latu of UCLA, and Jared Verse of Florida State. I mean, all six guys, three wide receivers, probably going, give or take in the top 10.

All the past rushers will surely be gone by, I mean, that group. I would say somewhere between 16 to 19. So these are six of the top, you know, the draft and uh belichick because he is a hot button topic him and crafter at each other's throats through the media and i kind of dove in why i think he needs to go to do something specific in tv to help change the discourse around the hoodie so uh that will be the show for the weekend and

obviously we'll be back next week full draft coverage field yates i think to start the week on Monday, we will have a mock draft on Wednesday and then wall-to-wall draft coverage, well, at least Thursday, Friday. We're not breaking down six-round picks, but on Thursday and Friday, we will have a lot of content flying on the podcast feed as well as the YouTube feed. So keep an eye and a lookout for that. But before we dive into some football, I've got to tell you about my close personal friends at Game Time, download the GameTime app right now.

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but we play the hits here. Like, we're not out thinking the room. Marvin Harrison, Malik neighbors, and Roma Dunzei. For me, and I say this all the time when it comes to the draft, if you're drafting really high, there is no guarantee. There just isn't. there is no such thing as a high floor. We see guys fail all the time.

Great athletes, average athletes that try hard. We've seen every type of player not live up to the billing and be quote unquote a bust or underwhelming that is drafted in the top 10. So to me, I never have a problem with someone stepping in the batters box and swinging for a home run. That's why for me, Malik Neighbors is the best wide receiver prospect

in this draft. He has the best opportunity, if everything goes right, to be a super store. Now, there are some questions. I know a lot of teams. I don't know all the details. There are off-the-field questions, I'll put it as that. Nothing crazy, but stuff that concerns teams. The type stuff that media is like, oh, this is not fair.

Bullshit. When I'm drafting a guy high and I have any question marks about the person, it's okay to be leery. It's okay to be like, yeah, I don't feel great. right you don't always know about this stuff but they exist so assuming that he's going to be okay be a good worker be a good guy not getting any trouble to me he's the best prospect you get a guy that's six feet tall 200 pounds and runs as fast as he does but we've seen that player before guys that run four threes and then they can't play in the NFL this guy has elite ball skills this guy's ability

to track the ball in the air just watch some of his YouTube highlights one skill that is very underrated in the NFL as a wide receiver is shooting your hands up last second. Why? Because when you are going up against a good defensive back, the moment you start putting your hands up, he reacts. They're very instinctive that way. But if you don't break stride to the last possible second,

it's what Randy Moss did at the highest level we've ever seen. And you're that fast, the DB is at a huge, huge disadvantage. And he does this at a pretty elite level. level. Now there are some physical question marks with him. Play strength. I think sometimes at the line of scrimmage and he's going to get more press corners as he gets to the NFL, bigger, stronger guys. You know, can he get off the line? Can he separate, you know, using his power, which some people would say he doesn't have that much up. But in terms of high-end speed, route running ability and ability to move the needle down the field, like, I mean, I don't want to say

he's an A-plus, but it's really, really high-end. And there are some question marks, but I'm just talking strictly as a prospect. He easily has the highest ceiling of this bunch. So to me, he's the number one guy. And obviously, a guy that's been near the top of any draft board since he played that Rose Bowl as a true freshman. Remember, Marvin Harrison did not start. They had a lave. They had Garrett Wilson. They had Jackson Smith. Like, he was the fourth or fifth wide receiver on the team. Now, granted, he was 18 years old. And until those guys, opted out in the Rose Bowl, and he played, I'm pretty sure he had three touchdowns in that game. In the next two years, he dominated.

Now, as I've said, look, we don't have any testing numbers. We know he's 6'3, 210 pounds, the lineage he comes from, and his dad's one of the great wide receivers the last 25 years. He is a fantastic prospect. I mean, he does everything well. He's big. He can run every route, catch the ball in traffic. I'd say the one thing is he's super dynamic with the ball in his hands. He's not exactly like Debo or Jabbar Chase,

but in terms of getting open, which is the most important thing. I think it's borderline impossible. And listen, I'm going to contradict myself a little bit for this guy not to be good. Because these type players translate well in the NFL. Devante Adams, Keenan Allen.

I'm not saying they're all similar players, the ability to get open whenever you have to. That matters. So to me, Marvin Harrison is the safest of these guys. We've seen them at a super. high level for a long period of time and he does everything well. Usually those guys play well in the NFL.

Now all these guys, because of their position, they are very, very dependent on two people. The quarterback and the offensive coordinator. So whoever is scheming your offense and throwing you the ball. We saw Larry Fitzgerald for a lot of years with

shitty coaches and shitty quarterbacks. He's at a disadvantage. We saw Randy Moss go to Oakland. Disaster. traded to New England greatest wide receiver of all time so where you go matters in some of these teams that were mocking them to could the Cardinals get one of these guys

Kyler Murray I think the guy would be good could the Chargers take one of these guys Justin Herbert they would be really good even if the bears are able to get one of these guys Caleb Williams assuming he's just solid they should be good especially because he's got two other wide receivers to play with you tell me the Giants

take neighbors or Harris I could see him having an underwhelming year, not because they're not talented, because who's fucking throwing you the football? To me, the most intriguing of this group, though, and I would have him third, after watching the three of them, would be Roma Dunes 8.

But I don't think there's a big gap. I don't think there's a big gap at all. Like Harrison, he's big. 6-3-212 pounds. I remember when I was at the Combine, one of my buddies who's a wide receiver coach on a team, who definitely would be in the mix if they could to take one of these guys,

had just interviewed him that day in their interview room. And he fucking loved him. He's like he walks in the room. You just, you underestimate his size. Right? Because you watch him on film or you just watch his YouTube highlights.

He's big, but he doesn't look massive. He's like, I felt like he was really, really big. And he dominated this year. He had 81 catches, 1,500 yards and 13 touchdowns. I mean, punked people constantly. There's a clip of him returning a punt to the house against Cal. So I think a lot of people would say, well, he's not quite the athlete of these other two guys.

He ran a 4-4-4-5, and he has punt returned in his past. His ability in contested areas is elite. I mean, awesome. Moss and guys, back-shoulder throws. But he played with, you know, an NFL quarterback. So you put them, like I said, if the Giants were to draft them, it could be a struggle. Now, one thing with him, a lot like Harrison, is red zone. When you're 6'3 foot 3, you have an advantage in the red zone.

Because you're going to go up against some corners, even if you're a big corner, I got you by a couple inches. And there are going to be some corners that are 511. So if I'm a big-time athlete, and this is what neighbors has while he's shorter, he jumps 42 inches. so all these guys can get high in the air, you don't have to make a perfect pass. You just put it into their vicinity. It's why tight ends are so valued because their catch radius is so big because of their size. So I think Rome is a big time prospect. I do think when the dust settles, he'll end up being the third wide receiver.

And there's a pretty good chance like, I'm wrong. Marvin goes first. But like all these guys, if they go to the right spot, should be high-end wide receivers. Should be guys, no doubt about it, get second contracts from their team. And their production at the highest level. Sometimes it scares me with a wide receiver when they're coming from, I would say, middling programs or questionable competition. Like, we have seen all these guys under the brightest lights.

LSU, think about who they play in that division. Obviously, Marvin at Ohio State. In Rome, these last two years, Washington's lost like two games. And they played everybody. And I mean, two of the better teams, obviously Michigan was the best team. He played Oregon twice this year and he destroyed them. I mean, destroyed them. And they always have good defensive back.

So I think these three guys, this is a pretty special class because you're getting blue chip guys from blue chip programs that dominated for years. Like there aren't really questions. It's not like none of these guys are one year wonders. Now, Malik by far had his best year this year. He had 89 catches, 69 yards, and 14 touchdowns. But his quarterback was a lot better. Let's face it, one of the questions with Jaden Daniels is like,

yeah, you watch him in 2022. He wasn't going to be a top 100 pick. And then he starts playing like a top five player. You're going to be better. Rome has been much better over two-year span. And same thing with Malik neighbors. I mean, two years ago, Malik Naver, or excuse me, Marvin Harrison's playing with C.

Stroud, who's arguably a top five quarterback in the NFL. Rome's had Michael Pennix for two years. So these three guys, cream of the crop, very, very fascinated to watch, you know, kind of how it breaks from them. And if you were in these guys' shoes, like if you're one of their agents or kind of on their quote-unquote team, where you go matter so much in the NFL, who your offensive coordinator is, who your quarterback. And luckily, because of the way this draft is, some

teams that need wide receivers high that already have quarterbacks. We can nitpick Kyler Murray. He's way better than over half the league. Justin Herbert, we can argue whether he's a top five quarterback. He's a lock top eight quarterback. And with Harbaugh, I think we all agree he's going to be better. So you want to go to one of those spots badly. Or the Bears to decide to not go D-line or, I don't know what, tight end or whatever,

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Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Usually in a draft, no matter how many good quarterbacks and how many good offensive, either wide receivers or tackles are in it,

we see several defensive linemen, specifically defensive ends, go really high. I would say most drafts have a pass rusher going in the top five. Several have a half. multiple. There's a chance in this draft that there is not one pass rusher that goes.

And if that does play out that way, that's insane. But it's also reflective of the group. Now, part of it is if four quarterbacks go one, you know, in the top five, that pushes guys down. But still, if a high-end pass rusher is on the board, usually they trump every other position, including tackle. You could make the argument that they are equal. like quarterback's number one, and then like 2A and 2B are either offensive tackle or pass rusher or pass rush or offensive tackle.

But there's a good chance that like two or three offensive tackles go in the top 10 and not one pass rusher. Now, Atlanta is the wild card. They have not had a good pass rusher since Jonathan neighbor. Their defense as a, you know, the front four is just not been very good

besides Grady Jarrett. Right? They have had no edge pressure. And any time, that you force a need in a draft beside quarterback, especially when a guy probably shouldn't get drafted in that spot,

it can get a little dicey. And historically, sometimes with these pass rushers, guys get drafted with limited production. Think about last year the Raiders. I think Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech.

A couple years ago, the dude, Trent Balke, took number one overall over Aiden Hutchinson, all on measurables. and we're going to teach him how to play. Those picks are always really risky. Because you go, his ceiling is much higher than Aiden Hutchinson.

It's like, yeah, just take Aidan Hutchinson. He's going to be a really good player. But I understand it because you get around these guys. Anyone that's ever been around an NFL defensive linemen, especially a high-end guy, and I've been lucky enough to be on the sideline at a lot of games, it is, when you see the big blue-chip bodies, there just aren't many human beings like this walking around.

I remember the Bengals in their heyday with Marvin Lewis, their defensive line was huge. When I was with the Eagles and we played the Giants every year, their defensive line was massive. They didn't do small people, right? It was like big blue chippers. And hell, when I was with the Eagles, they took JPP. And it was a big projection.

My last year in the league, Ziggy Ansah, whose career got derailed by injuries, was a big projection. But the physical attributes were elite. You just don't find many guys that size with that strength, with that athleticism. So there's a fine balance. And I say it all the time in a draft, you have to balance how good the guy is now and how good the guy is going to be in three years. And that's where a lot of pressure comes on coaching staffs, a lot of pressures on the scheme that you run. Right? It's like with any young person. If I hire a guy at 22, hopefully when he's 25, he's going to be a lot more valuable to my company or in his role, you know, over the

course of time with experience, with reps, with teaching. And it's part of, it's part of life. So it's a very, very, you know, difficult balance to strike. When you get a Nick Bosa or a Miles Garrett, they're kind of no-brainers. You go, this guy's going to be fucking good. Like, this guy, he could play any team in the league. and he's going to be a high-end player. Those guys are, I would say, few and far between. Most guys in a draft room are not Marvin Harrison. Like, not many flaws.

It's going to be a good player. Most guys you have long discussions about. And this group, Dallas Turner, Jared Verse, Latu Latu, is one of those groups. Let's start with Dallas Turner. You know, in a draft room, when you're discussing a player, you talk about everything. His background, where he comes from, his role. role with the team in terms of team captain leadership. This guy was a blue chip five-star player. He started immediately at Alabama. That is not easy to do, obviously. And he was overshadowed

his first couple of years by Will Anderson, who the Texans traded a first round pick to trade up for. Now, I don't know if Will Anderson's ever going to be a Hall of Famer, but he's going to be on that team for a decade. He is a really, really good player. And the knock on Dallas Turner is he is an elite athlete. Not a good athlete, an elite athlete. He's 6'3, 250 pounds. He ran a 4-4-6. There are wide receivers in this draft that did not run that.

His vertical leap was over 40 inches. That is remarkable. His broad jump, his standing broad jumps, where you stand on two feet and just jump as far as you can landing on two feet, was 10 feet 7 inches. which I'd say anything over 10 for a defensive lineman is eye-opening. So his athletic measurables are elite.

Like, they just don't get any better than that. Here's the problem. Talking to people in the NFL is like, listen, no one disputes. He is a speed rusher. Power is not his thing. He's not bull rushing guys. He's not great against the run. And I've always said this.

like, listen, if you are an elite speed rusher, I can live with some average run play, get shoved around a little bit. But I don't love taking that guy in the top 10. Jim Washburn, one of the famous defensive line coaches. And how, actually it was Howard Mudd, RIP, who passed away several years ago on a motorcycle accident. Many people consider him the best, if not the best, one of the best, right there with Dante Scarnacchio, offensive line coaches of all time.

I'll never forget being in his office around draft time and he had the thought of like when you watch a power player whether it's a guard whether it's a defensive tackle because we talk about like you can improve your strength in the NFL he's like your strength is kind of your strength you can improve like your bench numbers

with time or squat an extra hundred pounds over the course of the next five years but your play strength in his experience, and by the time I met him, he was like 70 years old, been around football forever. It doesn't really change. I've always thought that. So when you go, this guy can improve his strength, I would never go off that. Your strength's kind of your strength.

Khalil Mack was strong as hell at 22 years old. He's strong now. You usually don't see guys as defensive linemen that aren't strong, get really powerful. D. Ford is a good example. I know his career was derailed with injuries, but speed pass rusher was never strong, never got strong. So the thing with Dallas Turner, speed rusher strength the major issue. And as a speed rusher to be quote unquote drafted in the top 10,

his production's good, right? Two of his three years, he had to combine 20 sacks. So he gets to the quarterback. Because Jim Washburn's thing was, I don't like projecting sacks or projecting. pressures. You either know how to get around and to the quarterback or you don't once you get to the pros. Most guys aren't like no sacks in college and then all of a sudden become double digit sack guys in college or in the pros. So this guy has been around the quarterback a lot.

Here's the problem. When you talk to people that have really evaluated him, it's like he should have like 17 sacks. Something's just missing a little bit. He gets close. turns the corner and just doesn't get home. And for a guy with these athletic attributes, you'd think he would have set a sack record, especially playing on that unit. But he didn't. And even last year, if I wanted to go,

well, he was overshattered by Will Anderson. Well, we all agreed Will Anderson was the best defensive player in the country. You would think it would make it a little easier for you. So I think there are, no one argues this guy's not a good prospect. not a top 2015 prospect. I think once you start talking

eight to the Atlanta Falcons, people go, it's pretty risky. Now, you know where I stand. You get in the batters box, high in the draft, and you swing for the fences. Right? And this is not one of those guys,

like last year the Raiders taking Tyree Wilson, seventh overall, when his production wasn't really there and it was all in the athletic attributes. That's risky. Doesn't mean he's not going to turn out to be a good player,

but you're betting on a lot of unknown. Like, you know this guy can turn the corner. But can he ever be like a high-end pro-ball guy? I know a lot of people that don't think he can't. I just know when I look at these numbers and you look at his production, you go, it's a risk worth taking. So a lot of people are mocking Dallas Turner to the Falcons

who are in desperate need of any sort of edge rush. And I don't think it would be a crazy pick. Risky, 100%. but am I taking him much higher upside than say Jared verse? I would. Especially team captain, Alabama, high-end guy. The one thing when you get the high-end focus guys to Alabama, like they ain't fucking around.

Like, Will Anderson, serious is a heart attack. So every ounce of talent they have, they maximize. And this guy has talent jumping out in spades. 4-4-6, 40-inch vertical. He's 250 pounds. But his strength is, you can't expect that to change because the reality is it's not going to change. Like, strength is always going to be something he deals with. But it's 2024.

If this was 1988 and every team was running the ball 35 times a game, yeah, it'd be a problem. Teams pass nonstop. It's a passing league. And a lot of teams pass it a shitload. So you're not facing Kyle Shanahan every week. So I think that has to play into the equation And I would say that the mock and everyone put him to Atlanta You would have to imagine that he is in play there

Versus an interesting guy Because in these draft rooms like I said You talk about their background And in the transfer portal days a lot of guys move teams And like a guy goes from Fresno State to Oregon Right or Boise State to Oklahoma Happens all the time now You go you know a little under recruited

grew into his body Things changed And this is a guy that put on a bunch of weight, changed positions, and whatever, transferred to Florida State, which has been one of the better programs in the country the last two years.

I mean, this year, when their quarterback went down, they were going to the playoffs. I mean, they were not just one of the best teams in the country, they were one of the best defenses in the country, and this guy was their best player. The concerning part is anytime you come, like, kind of out of nowhere,

it just, there is something to be said about guys that are blue chippers. that can also lead you astray. Some guys get drafted in the second round and they've never been good in college just because, well, five-star recruit, underwhelming, but he has all the physical characteristics.

So I'm not saying that's the end-all, be-all. Starts at a small school, goes to Florida to say, and dominates. I mean, dominates. So you go, okay, whatever. Weird situation. Albany, division 10 school, whatever. He is, you know, he's 6-3, 260-ish,

pounds and texting around. I was like, you know, is this kind of like Brandon Graham? Is that? Because he's a power rusher. Dallas Turner speed off the edge, right? I beat you. I bend. I get to the corner and you can't keep up with my speed. This guy much more in the mold of bull rush you. Shove your ass back into the quarterback, which power guys are a little riskier because not all power translates, but when it does, clowny, Mac, like strength, his strength. And this guy's a powerful player. The one comp I kind of got from a couple people was

much closer to like a Roshan Gary, a Kavon Thibodeau. Right? Not Bendy, a little stiffer, but the power's going to work. High-end character guy, hard worker you feel good about. Those type guys, like Kvon's a good example.

He's a good player. He's a starting, really good starter. Is he ever going to be some blue chip pro bowler? I don't know. Best case scenario makes a couple. I know people like Pro Bowl. You know what I mean.

Like a really, really high-in player. Maybe this year because his talent around him is better. We'll see, a lot of pressure on him. This guy's not viewed as a top 10 pick. But if I get Rishon Gary or Kvon Thibodeau, to me, this guy, would you rather have Dallas Turner and take the risk at 8 or get this guy at like pick 16? And I think this guy is one of the more intriguing

prospects in the NFL because all the teams in the teams go that's pretty good value there. If I get Rishon Gary at pick 16, like that's a really good pick. And here's the, I say this all the time too. I'm like, I'm a hypocrite because who are we comparing them all to? Like good players. Some guys just, what if he's Solomon Thomas? What if he's Cleveland Farrell? Right?

That's the hard part about these type guys. They're athletic. He's a good athlete. He ran a four or five. but the power game, the try hard is, that's doing him a disservice by saying that, but plays with a lot of effort and power

can be tough. When those guys pop, it really pops. But when it doesn't really pop, you just get a solid player. Now, the good thing is, and we say this all the time about non-quarterbacks, even if he never becomes a pro bowler,

he still plays 25, 30 snaps a game. So he can become a winning player, which he definitely wasn't. college. But I think this guy is clearly viewed as a guy in the mid-teens. Now, I think a guy viewed pretty consistently as the best pass rusher is the guy from UCLA Latu-Lat-2. Here's the problem. There is a massive medical red flag on the guy. He started the University of Washington and had a neck injury. And for a brief second, medically retired. Then he got surgery. He got surgery. He He was cleared and he played at UCLA.

In the last two years, he had 23 sacks. He was arguably the most productive pass rusher in all of Power 5, and he was the Pac-12 defensive player of the year. And he's kind of got it all. Lance Zerlijn, who I trust, who's evaluated these guys for decades, compared him to T.J. Watt, the power, the speed, the technique. Like, that's one of his things. He's a technician.

He's just a natural pass rusher. He's one of those guys, Jim Washburn would say, this guy is fucking born to get to the quarterback, and he knows how to do it, and he's proven it. The problem is when you have a huge medical red flag, fair or not, because you go, well, he's not only been cleared, he's been productive and played the last couple of years. And here's the thing about UCLA.

You go, well, Chip Kelly, they were an offensive team. Their offense sucked last year. They've been a defensive team, especially last year. Anthony Lynn's son, who was their defensive coordinator, got hired at USC. because he's a really good defensive coordinator. And this wasn't just their best defensive player. This guy was arguably the best defensive player in the country.

I just know that that medical red flag scares you. But this is, we talked to Mayok about this a couple weeks ago. Anytime a guy's been injured and had serious injuries, Michael Pennix, you go, okay, he's got medical issues. But then once you go a couple years and don't miss games and show your durability, are you then a medical red flag? And this is where the doctors get involved, right?

Because they give their opinions. In GMs and coaches, they don't have medical degrees, right? They have coaching and personnel degrees. That's what they do for a living. So when these guys come in and go, God, you know, there's a 50-50 chance. That thing comes back to fruition, and we got a problem,

especially in the trenches. The game is a lot softer now, right? in terms of guys going across the middle, the big hits are out of the game, the trenches is the one area where it is still very violent and very physical and where you're still able to get after it. And obviously you use your head

and collide a lot more than other places on the field. Now, on an island on the edge, I would say it's a little less violent on a consistent basis than detackles, guards, and centers where they're so close to each other. But it's still something that isn't avoidable.

Now he's 6'5, 260 pounds. This guy is the tallest of the three and then the most productive. And unlike Verse, who was a transfer from a smaller school, this guy went to Washington under Chris Peterson at the time, which was a high-end program. So I don't know, I wouldn't call him

Dallas Turner Blue Chip, but he was a high-end prospect. I think most people agree if the medical didn't exist, if there weren't any questions on the neck, he would be the eighth overall pick. The Atlanta Falcons would pick him. And you could argue there's a 50-50 chance.

They pick him at eight. Just take the risk if their doctors sign off on it. So there is no Miles Garrett, Khalil Mack, or Nick Fosa in this class. But there are very, very intriguing prospects at this spot, which if you hit on this guy, becomes a $100 million player. So I understand, I'm okay with guys that aren't great against the run.

I pay you to sack the quarterback. Would I like you to be able to kind of anchor down? Of course. But if I view you as a guy like, could Dallas Turner end up being a 13, 14 sack guy, I'm taking that risk, especially because medically he's a lot clearer than Latu, Latu. But if you tell me Latu and my doctor's like, yeah, we think every. everything's good now. I might take him.

And I don't think anyone, whoever takes him, if he somehow falls in the draft and someone gets him in like the early 20s because of the medical red flags and teams are scared off, it could turn out to be one of the best picks in the draft. I saw a lot of scouting reports say, listen, other guys are going to go higher than this guy, this guy's the best pass rusher in the draft. Just like Michael Pennix. If Michael Pennix was 21 years old and had never been injured, he'd be a top five pick. But when you're older and you've been hurt, it rightfully so, scarce teams. But sometimes

then guys are durable in the pros and you don't have issues, right? And then guys that have been durable in college, get to the pros and they get injured again. So no one knows, right? So if you prove durability over your last couple years, I would lean that, like, I would take the chance the guy's going to be durable in the pros. But that's not usually. You know, you know, how it works and I would imagine Latu falls a little bit and whoever gets him like if this guy falls to the late teams there's going to be a team with seven, eight, nine wins kind of in that range that's going to feel very very good about their draft pick. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say

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One thing that has, you know, following these top teams and the messaging coming out of them that's been pretty interesting is the Bears never wavered, right? My mom could have told you they're taking Caleb Williams three months ago. Some people still like, I'd go with Justin Fields, make it work, give him a chance. And the Bears like, yeah, we're sending him to the Steelers for a six-round pick. See ya. And the conversation, even for those little radicals that wanted Fields to somehow survive, were completely muted and we all agreed, like everyone knows.

so we don't even talk about that much. There's nothing to talk about. Honestly, the only conversation with the Bears is what they're going to do with the ninth pick. But the messaging coming out, they don't even need the message. Caleb's taking one visit and it was to Chicago. I mean, he's going to be a Chicago bear.

Now, once you get to two, Adam Peters, I don't want to say, has been as steadfast in terms of like the Bears left no doubt. But he has definitely let it be known. I'm like, yeah, we're not really open for business. We feel pretty confident at this pick. Now, we don't exactly know who he's going to pick.

Most people, and the betting odds would say Jaden Daniels. I wouldn't bet my life savings on it, but when people ask me and when I ask people, Jane Daniels, everyone says Jaden Daniels. So I think it's fair to assume Jaden Daniels. I wouldn't fall out of my chair if another name pops up next Thursday, but they're going to pick a quarterback. We know that. We just don't know exactly 100% sure who is going to be.

be. But the other teams have not been like that. Elliot Wolf said today, long time executive, doesn't even have the GM title. Not quite sure what the crafts are doing. Honestly, not quite sure. Just name the guy the fucking GM. I don't care if it's like, well, he actually has all the duties. Have the balls to name him the GM. I don't understand, separate from all the stuff with Bill and the production company, why are you guys being so weird with this? You have a first time head coach, just make Elliot Wolf the GM. Are you like giving him a year trial run? He said we're open for business.

And then it kind of hit me today. If I'm the crafts, Jonathan and Bob, and I am getting destroyed locally. I mean destroyed. I have heard everywhere I look on the internet, Boston people, I played golf with a guy like three weeks ago from Boston. Everyone I've talked to or listened to say he's getting crushed

because it's clear like, listen. Time to break up, whatever. You don't need to, like, piss on the guy's grave. What do you, why are you trying to get all that? Why are you doing this? Well, what's the easiest way to make that negativity kind of be silenced? Because if they trade back, it's like, oh, they added two first round picks and they got all these players, no one will care.

No one gives a shit when you draft an offensive lineman until that guy becomes a star offensive lineman. But you take a quarterback, you take Drake May or you take J.G. McCarthy with the third overall pick. we stopped talking about how cheap the crafts are, how shitty they've handled this situation, how just what egomaniac and control freaks they've become since Bill left. We just start talking about how good is JJ McCarthy or Drake May

or J.J. Daniels is going to be on their team. Takes all the oxygen out of that conversation. So even if Elliot Wolfe wanted to trade back, one, he has no equity with the franchise in terms of, you know, he's never made a pick before. for them. Two, he's not even technically the general manager. And three, if you're the crafts, like, take whoever you like the most of that position right there. We want you to do that.

Bill might say, yeah, we're not doing that. And Bill would have traded back. Bill would have done whatever he wanted to do. Elliot Wolf can't. He just won't be allowed to. So even if the front office and the coaching staff was like, you know, given our roster, like, let's take a deep breath. I don't even think it will be an option because the ownership will never allow.

because it's the easiest way to have everyone stop talking about how poorly they've handled everything. The Giants. You know, Rich Eisen said, I see all his clips on YouTube. I think he's got a radio show, TV show.

Not exactly sure what it is, but I follow his stuff on YouTube. And one thing he said, like less than a week, maybe a couple days after the Combine, obviously he's there for a week calling it with DJ, is that one of the main buzz, Scuttlebutt he had heard is how much the Giants had buyer's remorse on Daniel Jones, which

everyone's like, yeah, no shit. And Joe Shane, the day at the press conference, was basically asked about that, and he said none of it was true. Now, before I dive into my thoughts on this, I understand where he's sitting. Regardless how you actually feel, he was like, you know, I never actually wanted to sign this contract. I was forced to by the ownership. We were lukewarm on the guy, even dayball. We would have been cool with letting him test free agency. John Mara forced us on my hand.

He can't say that. Even if he was on board with the signing and was like, listen, short-term deal, $80 million sounds a lot to 99.9% of people. NFL world, a couple years, move on. No biggie. We don't really like him anymore. We'll find another

quarterback. We plan on trading up in this draft. He can't say that either. So he's in a position where he can't really tell the truth. But let me tell the truth for him. They 100%. Ownership, coach, GM have buyer's remorse. If they could do it over, under no circumstances, would they assign that contract? I'm actually confident enough they wouldn't have signed him to any contract.

They would have just let him walk. Information changes. You can love your wife or love your girlfriend. And then all of a sudden you found out she cheated on you with three different men changes the equation. You're in business with a partner. You're all making a lot of money. You're getting paid.

And then you find out he's stealing. Your opinion of that individual changes. With more information, we think differently. Like, listen, they were bullish on Daniel Jones. First year, win some games. And now he's also injured. Like, obviously you don't know he's going to be injured. But sitting here today, he had a torn ACL.

played like shit torn ACL makes a lot of money pretty bad combination so this notion that they don't have buyers remorse is just a bold face lie it's just impossible for that not to be true and there's nothing wrong

we all make poor decisions all of us I know I own a stock right now it's an ETF cling to energy ETF I've invested well over a hundred grand into it right now when I open up my account

it says about $40,000. Now, ultimately, big picture, I still believe in the space, but do I regret investing my money into that stock? Of course I do. I would much rather have put it into Netflix or put it into just anything else but that. Even if I, like, still, and I have more belief in that situation, then I'm sure the Giants do. But why do I, I believed in it two years ago when,

it was working and going up, things change. I never understand people who are so beholden to the way they thought a year ago, three years ago, eight years ago. It's like it's 2024. April 18th, I'm recording this. We have the information up to this point. You might feel some way right now. Well, April 18th, 2007, if things dramatically change about whatever you're thinking about,

you're probably not going to think that way anymore. I hope you wouldn't because if you still did you'd probably have some issues you know people ask me all the time like what are your career goals do you want to be on television I don't know I mean

is YouTube bigger in television right now I'd say for most people I know it is you know things change at dramatic speeds I don't know I'll just do whatever I have to do I'm willing to do whatever it takes wherever things are going

that's where you go I saw a lot of people when I first got into radio I was around so many of these newspaper guys I saw a guy recently on on X it was like the best advice for anyone in sports media still

is to start at a newspaper unless I'm not into like talking shit on Twitter as much anymore I don't care it was the dumbest thing I'd ever read I'm like this guy's actually putting this out there yeah if this was 2001 maybe that's pretty good advice

it's 2024 That'd be the last thing I would advise to any young person Unless it's like the Wall Street Journal Do not fucking do that So Signing quarterbacks is complicated Signing the great quarterbacks is relatively easy Even though it's complicated because of the amount of money

As in like Lamar Jackson We all knew he was good and it was still complicated Right? Patrick Mahomes was pretty easy Josh Allen was pretty easy Even the Herbert thing Like there's pressure for him to be a consistent top five quarterback. Trevor Lawrence has not been paid yet. Like, we need to see a little more before

we give you $180, $200 million. It's a big financial decision. So $80 million is not $200 million, but you could argue after 15 touchdowns they even deserve $80 million. But there is no way to spin it. They have buyer's remorse. And there's nothing wrong

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A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey, from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes,

creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars.

fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Another reason I can't wait till Thursday is Belichick will be on with Matt. McAfee. And I said this when Belichick didn't get the Atlanta Falcons job, that I think Belichick, one, the perception of him, let's face it, being a dictator, tough to work with, and let's face it,

a lot of, I don't necessarily agree with this, because I think we all can be this way, asshole, miserable, crumudgeon. And listen, some of it's definitely probably true, but that he just sucks and he's not a head coach in the NFL. Now, maybe it's that he's 73 years old, maybe that he had to be the GM. I don't know. But it is nuts when you just look at the coaching picture that Bill Belichick isn't there. He's been in a league since 1975. Like, I'm sorry, he kind of knows what he's doing. It's why I'm shorting the Patriots. I think they are going to be a debacle the next couple years. Could be wrong, but if I had to place one strong bet, I feel the strongest on that. and I'd probably bet on Harbaugh and the Chargers being successful, right?

Even everyone betting on the Bears, I wouldn't feel great about it. Their history would show it's still pretty risky. But I think you saw, if you go, and I would recommend this, because the Belichick we got forever in the press conferences, when he was wearing a hoodie, New England Patriot or his classic, like kind of blue button up, and he said nothing. And he was mostly pretty awful in those press conferences, besides when he'd randomly get asked about a special team player

or he'd go on some long, you know, diatribe about how the winless, whatever team he was playing in December, actually has a lot of talent and everyone would make fun of him. He has a big personality. And I've been, you know, no people that have not only worked there, that have played there. And they're like, the guy that you see off camera dealing with us is a lot different than the guy that you just see in the 15-minute snippets

of the press conferences. It's why I was a big believer in the easiest way to change his perception. Now, maybe he's a lock to get a job next year. Maybe he's not. I mean, he just had his birthdays. He's going to be 74 next year. I mean, that's, I'm sorry, even though coaches are definitely younger than the majority of like 74-year-olds, just because they spend most of their time around younger people,

there's a vibe. Like, Pete Carroll's the same age. They don't feel that old when you hear them talk. But I, probably not a shoe in. is to find a way on the Amazon broadcast. He is too good to be on pregame shows. That's a waste. Reality is, I'm not watching that.

And neither are most owners. Why? Their team is at a game. But there are two games that every owner watches. Every owner beside the two playing in the game. That's Thursday night and Monday night. Even Sunday night, a lot of the league is traveling back and not able to watch the game.

But every owner and every decision maker is at home. on Thursday night and Monday night. Well, Monday night's set. They gave $150 million to Buck and Akeman. That was the right move. But Thursday night, let's face it, is not. I've said forever, Kirk Herb Street's the stud.

Love him on college football. I don't think he's that great. Him and Al don't have great chemistry. If I was Amazon, I would be all over Belichick and try to get him involved in that broadcast. And I also think Bill, like if you watch him on McAfee, like he's kind of a different guy.

Now, I'm not saying he's Mr. Lucy Goosey. he's not Mr. Politician there, but he's very easy to watch, and his depth of knowledge is insane. Matt Rule, who, listen, we can say what we want about Matt Rule as the NFL coach. It was a debacle. He's a good college coach.

He's, I would imagine Nebraska, over the next couple years, is going to be much more competitive. Are they ever going to be a playoff team? I don't know, but they are much more likely to win eight, nine games in the near future

than they are to be some shit team in which they've been. Matt Rule said that he had Bill come to their operation and spend a day with the coaches. He said, I don't know if he was in the front of the room, back of the room when he was talking, I don't know if he was talking to the entire group or just the defense, that Matt Rule said he was embarrassed. I was embarrassed that I'm a head coach, and I don't know a tenth of what this guy is talking about. That's how crazy how much this guy knows. the only way for Bill to give that to the ownership is to put it on display.

And I just hope it doesn't seem like it's going to happen, but I think that would have been the move. There was another story that came out today. I think there was a long, like one of those classic Big J, Wickersham does a really good job, like the ESPN guys. Basically, one of the lines about Belichick and the hiring process and how he didn't get the Atlanta job and how it kind of ended in New England. is that Bob and definitely Jonathan Kraft badmouthed him to Arthur Smith. Now, listen, anytime things end in football, in any business with rich, big ego guys, it's going to be ugly. I've defended Bill. I understand Robert Kraft.

You can have any opinion you want. You figured out a way to start from nothing, make money, buy the team, and you hired Belichick. Jonathan Kraft inherited this entire life, which I'm not one of those people that like looks down on people just because they're born into a situation, right? I've known a lot of people born in situations that are very capable, right? I've known a lot of people not born in the situations that aren't capable to fucking walk a dog across the street.

So where you're born, like successful people can come from all walks of life. Peyton Manning was born rich. Steph Curry was born rich. Like, listen. There are going to be a lot of owners that, you know, take over in the NFL that are impressive guys that their fathers made the money. And then there are going to be guys that are kind of clowns. I don't blame Belichick for not respecting that guy.

I'm not a big Jonathan Kraft guy just from reading things about him, watching the documentary that felt, you know, his dad's 80 plus years old, that it does feel a little bit like Jonathan Kraft has a vendet against Belichick. And one of the things that said in there is he basically badmouthed, Belichick to Arthur Smith to essentially not hire the guy. I would say this. The Patriot dynasty and their wealth,

a large percentage of their name power, has come from the success of the football team, which we know they had absolutely nothing to do with. They've even admitted we never told Bill what to do. Even with Brady, the one time they kind of like, you got to trade Jimmy Garoplo. But then they ended up a couple years later letting Brady walk anyway.

They gave this guy, carte blanche, to be in full control. And he made that family name not only very famous, not only very successful, but an NFL champ with Tom over and over

and over again. So if I'm Bill, like, and it's obviously just based on his coaching history, he can be very spiteful, he can be very petty. I would hate those guys,

specifically the kid. I already didn't respect them. I would, have a vendetta and a revenge of doing everything possible to get back in the league so I could play that guy again. Because the Patriots, I think the other day, tweeted out, happy birthday Bill. It's like, guys, you guys are trying a little too hard. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel

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