The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of The Week: Bengals spend money, Vikes say "No Thanks" to Rodgers, Rule changes

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

This week on the podcast John discussed a bunch of of the biggest stories around the NFL starting with the Bengals locking up their two big WR's, how the Vikings told Aaron Rodgers they aren't interested, and some potential NFL rule changes. All that and more!   Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And like we always do, or every once in a while, always would be strong. but sometimes we throw out a little weekend best of pick some of the things we talked about this week mix and mash it together behind the scenes and throw together a little podcast for everybody so we had a pretty big week because the Bengals actually did what they've been telling everyone they were going to do

and signed obviously Jamar Chase but T. Higgins as well. Hell they even put out a Twitter and Instagram video kind of double middle finger to everyone that said they would never do that and they're cheap. It's like, guys, let's pump the brakes a little bit. Just because you get one victory in the off-season

doesn't mean you get to pump your chest. But they did. So we'll dive into that and really why they did it. Joe Burrell. Rogers is just, I mean, this story, Kevin O'Connell officially told him no thanks.

So we will talk about that as well as some rule changes in the NFL when it comes to, you know, the tush push was the headliner probably a month ago with the Packers doing it, but now we have rules in terms of overtime and something that's near and dear to my heart that makes me really happy coming from the Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell, and that crew. It's crazy how the Lions have become like one of the high-level staple franchises of the leak. Just like, yeah, they just feel like they know what they're doing.

They're just good. It's just a well-run operation. if you would have told any human being that follows football I was going to say 10, 5 years ago, that would be the case. Yeah, they're just considered like one of the well-run operations. You know, like Ravens, bills, chiefs, Rams, Niners, Packers, like it's just the Lions. Doesn't mean you win in Super Bowls, but props to the boys for getting that thing fixed.

So let's dive into some football. The Bengals, I've had some time to think about this. And one, and I think Stingley falls in, under this too. You feel much better about giving massive amounts of money to guys you've drafted. Why? Because you know them really well. You have spent years around, not the player, but the human being. Because in football, you meet, you lift, you're just sitting in the facility way more than you're on the field in playing NFL football. So you spend more time around Jamar Chase and T. Higgins and Joe Burrow and all these guys, the human beings,

then you do quote unquote, the players. Now, it's all intertwined, right? They're lifting, they're studying, like it's all part of the package, but when you give a contract, right or wrong, because I hesitate to say, that's a great deal. Like, Jamar Chase, no problem.

Jamar Chase can play any era, any time being elite. I mean, Jamar Chase, I'm not alone saying this, might be, I don't know, how many players are better at football than Jamar Chase in the NFL, including quarterbacks.

Is he one of the top five or six, seven most talented individual players in the NFL? I think he is. And you just, you keep, the whole point of a draft is to find a Jamar Chase and then keep that guy on your team as long as humanly possible,

especially if he's healthy and playing at an elite level. I think sometimes when you get a redundant position, you go, like, let's use the Texans, for example. If they had a Derek Stingley and then another guy who wouldn't make 89 guaranteed, but maybe it would be like 55, 60 guaranteed, you know what they probably would do?

They would trade that player. Because is it awesome having two lockdown corners? Of course it is. Is it great business to have all your money into a position on the perimeter? I think it's pretty risky. And I would say the same thing about this. Tehiggins clearly high-level cat.

Productive. I mean, he was banged up last year, missed a bunch of games, still had 10 touchdowns. So if you combine the two guys, they scored 27 touchdowns, two of them. And he has an incredible rapport with the quarterback. And the quarterback, I don't think he's just beating the drum to give him an extension because he wants them to be rich. I think he wants to win and he thinks his best chance to win is with his player.

And I don't blame him for thinking that. But I do think when you look at the totality of what you have to compete against in the conference, which is Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson. and I'd even say, I think the charges are coming, they would never do that. They would never allocate that many resources to two wide receivers. Because it's just bad business.

And this is where I think the Bengals passed of, and I talked about this when I did the reaction video, is like, I think Mike Brown's pretty rattled because the talk of like, could Joe Burling like a year or two be like, I can't be here anymore? I want out. And typically you'd say, listen, it's football, the organization has more juice. Like, that's not, this isn't the NBA.

And you go, well, he had a situation 15 plus years ago with Carson Palmer and he was like, I'm not playing for you anymore. And he just quit on him. And he was just gone. And that happened. I don't ever quite remember that happening at that level with a player of that, you know, ability at that position. I mean, it had to kind of scar you.

And I think Joe Burrow is. I would take, you know, a young Joe Burrow over Carson Palmer. And Carson Palmer's fucking incredible. I mean, Carson Palmer was awesome. But I just think you have to make this guy happy. And they're in this weird NBA situation. Like, I totally understood forever in LeBron's prime. Like, yeah, do what he wanted to.

He's the best player in the league. Like, if Yonis wants something, I'd listen to him. If Yonkish wants something, I'd listen to him. If Steph Curry wants something, I'd listen to him. But then there are players like, I'm not listening to that guy. Like, I don't care if I'm Miami what Tua thinks. I'm not looking to get his opinion, right? Like, the Cardinals aren't getting on the horn with Kyler Murray to ask about his free agency thoughts.

But, like, Andy Reid probably running stuff by Patrick Mahomes. Same thing with the bills with Josh Allen. Joe Burroughs earned that. So is it ideal business? Like, is this something that every GM in the league would have done? Probably not. But given their situation with Joe Burrow, like, I kind of understand. Now, the pressure on them, like, the reason did they miss the playoffs

wasn't because they needed just more firepower on offense. Offense wasn't the issue. Their defense was putrid. And for as important as it is to have a great coordinator, and it is. I mean, look at the best teams the last couple of years. The Ravens with Mike McDonald, the Chiefs, with Spagnola, the Niners in their heyday with solid. and D'Amico.

You need, having elite defensive coordinators is, the Eagles this year with Fangio is really, really important. What that week 17 game or week 18, I get my weeks, the 17th game of the season, so week 18, what Aaron Glenn did against Sam Darnold, having a high-end defensive coordinator, there aren't many of them. But you can't be a great defensive coordinator

without really, really good players. And Al Golden, like, it wasn't that long ago that Lou Am and Runo was viewed as a really good coordinator. Their roster was a lot better. And you look right now, the situation with Trey Hendrickson, who's talked about like a free agent, though he's under contract, he just wants a lot more money. But he had an incredible year, and the defense sucked.

It's about depth. It's about having a good defense. Look at the Eagles. It's about having high-end players multiple at every level. Like, you can't just have one great defensive linemen. Average DB play and, like, a decent linebacker. you're fucked. You need multiple all pros, and

not all at the same position. So the pressure now on the bangles, with them allocating to burrow and the two wide receivers, especially if they extend Trey Hendrickson, which seems like it's very possible, they have little room for error in the draft. The other thing is

offensive linemen are expensive. So they're not going to have the cash to buy these guys on the open market. They're going to have to hit on them too. So you're going to have to hit on defensive linemen, you're going to have to hit on defensive backs, you're going to have to hit on offensive Wyman in the draft. If you tell me, like, what are there needs in the draft? You go, O-line and defense.

And don't miss, because if you do, and you only hit on a player or two in a given draft, it's going to be very hard for you to make up ground on these elite programs who, like you, have Hall of Fame guys at quarterback. So, like, your point of difference, which is awesome having Joe Burrow is somewhat neutralized because the teams you have to beat have Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. I would like their chances a lot more. If you told me that Bengals were in the NFC, I'd be like, yeah, their chances are decent because they're going to have the best quarterback every time they play all the NFC teams. That's just not the case in the AFC. That doesn't mean he can't

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every general manager is to do due diligence on every player available. And it's why Ryan Poles last year, I'm sorry, takes a little heat of like, yeah, it was the easy thing to not bring any of the quarterbacks in beside Caleb Williams. Yeah, the media is going to give you a lot of credit. They don't sign your checks. Your job is to thoroughly evaluate and bring in Jane Daniels Drake May. If he could have that one over, doesn't mean he would change the pick, but let's face it, they did not do their due diligence like they did with Caleb. And just like, even though you drafted a quarterback really, really high in J.J. McCarthy, like he played two preseason games and then hurt his knee and then needed another surgery

and lost what looked like 30 or 40 pounds and look like what I aspire to be, really skinny. And it's like, is this guy good enough to carry our offense? You have to ask these questions. and you're not going to have the answers until the season starts. But I think one thing the Minnesota Vikings had on their side, they're not desperate. And I think one consistent theme in life is when you make decisions out of desperation, it can blow up in your face.

And sometimes in life you don't have a choice, right? Anyone who's listening to this that's lost a job or been dumped or had something traumatic happened to you that's, I would say, somewhat out of your control. It can force you into change and some desperation and to charge a different path immediately that you hadn't planned on doing. And you've heard a lot of people, especially successful people in business, that say, the most powerful word is always no.

It doesn't mean that you're not interested or that you won't end up doing that. But when you say no, you gain some leverage. And typically, like teams that make bad decisions, or desperate decisions are bad. The reason the Jets traded a haul and then paid Aaron Rogers or took his salary, actually he ended up taking a pay cut,

but basically gave him the keys of the franchise is not because they had been winning 11 or 12 games, it's because they had been dog shit. Like the 49ers just let their entire roster go. Do you think that happens if they win 12 games and are in the NFC championship game? Probably not, but they went 6 and 11. So when you look at the Eagles two years ago, they start whatever, what is it, 10 and 1,

and then basically lose six of their last seven games, get their ass kicked in the playoffs, and they fired basically everyone that they could see beside Nick Seriani on the coaching staff. Do you think they do that if they were in the Super Bowl? Of course not. So winning and losing gives you juice. The Vikings were 60 minutes away from being the number one overall seat. And obviously they played a bad playoff game and got worked by the LA Rams. But like they're in a position where they look at the roster and go, minus the quarterback, we feel we have one of the better rosters in the NFL.

And we've invested in this young quarterback because we believe in them. Now, I've been saying over and over, you have no clue. There is a great unknown when it comes to JJ McCarthy. Is he going to be a good NFL player? No one knows, including Minutes. Minnesota. And it's why it is their responsibility to have these discussions to go in depth. Is it worth it? How much would he cost? What would he impact on the locker room? Is it worth JJ's development? Good or bad to have him around? Is it better to not have them around? Are we a better football team with him as a

starting quarterback? That's what they're paid to do. It's like the media, people like me, people of the fans, we can have all the opinions we want. And listen, it's fun. It's why football is huge. We got a lot of thoughts. We got a lot of takes, and we like talking about it. But it is their job. It's not about takes.

It's not about opinions. It's to get it right or wrong. And when you make a move, like if they go with J.J. McCarthy and it works, and they win 12, 13 games, and he's a solid player, like, it's all worth it. If he's not good and he can't carry the offense, like Sam did. I know everyone's like Sam, Arnold overrated. Look at the last two games. He threw 35 touchdowns. J.J. McCarthy in 15 games when Michigan won the national championship was never asked to play like that. His career high was 22 touchdowns. He played in a run-first defensive team in college. That's how Jim Harbaugh coaches. That is not how Kevin O'Connell coaches. Kevin O'Connell wants to call past plays. Don't blame him. That's what a lot of, Andy Reid likes calling past plays. But when you call a lot of past plays, you're pretty dependent on the quarterback. And Sam Donald last year and Kirk Cousins the previous couple of years.

Like, those are guys that clearly you could lean on. We don't know that with J.J. McCarthy. We used to know that with Aaron Rogers. He used to be a guy like, he was one of the best players of all time. That guy's gone. So you're getting a 41-year-old. He's not like completely washed. I mean, this isn't Drew Breeze or Rothesburg at the end of the career.

But he's a shell of what he once was. Like, we have to acknowledge that. If he was once basically like a 10 out of 10 player, whatever, that version. is, is long gone. He's still a functional player. He's still a guy that can throw touchdowns who can, if you have a good team, you can probably be competitive with. But there is no guarantee that he can just carry you to the promise land. And I don't blame any older player, especially when you become really rich and you've checked off every box. I don't want to get hit. I wouldn't want to get hit either. Tom Brady that last year was like, I'm not getting sacked. Aaron Rogers last

year, like, I'm not getting sacked. It's one thing to get like kind of randomly thrown to the ground. It's another thing when I see the guy coming at me, like, I'm not standing in this pocket for that extra second where I can complete this ball. I'm hitting the ground now. I'm throwing it away. And he used to not do that. And he did that last year.

Which again, I will defend. But when you go into business with him, that's what you have to do. Is understand that that's the player. It's why when the talk about like, well, we just, if Matt Stafford doesn't take a pay cut, we'll just, we'll trade them to the giant. and we'll go sign Aaron Rogers,

and you would have fell off a cliff in terms of your offensive production, because the one thing Stafford will still do, even though he's made a ton of money and won a championship, he will sit in that pocket and get mollywapped as he waits to the last possible second to deliver a strike to Puka Nakua for a first down.

For some reason, I still don't, I saw a headline, Cooper Cup, he's like, I never got an answer from the Rams. It's like, Cooper, they don't think you're worth $20 million. You're in the business of football. And what your salary is, if it doesn't equal how good you are as a player anymore, whether it's the Rams, whether it's the Patriots, whether it's the Chiefs,

every team in the league would have cut you. It's not because they don't like you as a guy. It's not because they don't think you work hard. It's not because they don't think you're a good influence of the team. It's because your salary was much larger than how you are currently as a player. It's called the business that is the NFL. You would have been cut by all 32 teams. they're not going to give you a letter of explanation

of like your routes aren't as good anymore it's your injuries and your dependability you're not dependable anymore it has nothing to do with like you as a guy and I understand like I've been fired it's a humbling experience but like they didn't think you were $20 million dollars it's not that

fucking complicated if I see one more headline like Cooper Cup just does not understand what is there not to understand this isn't a complicated formula he's not as good as the high price. They think Devante Adams is worth way more money than you, right? Which is your old salary. $20 million. They'll gladly play that to Vante. They do not want to pay you. And I think whenever I, it's hard to know with Rogers, you know, how much he actually wanted. If I was Rogers,

I would have gone to Minnesota for like nothing. Like five million bucks, I'm in. Because if he ends up with the Steelers and the Giants and I mentioned this yesterday, like I don't really care. Neither one of those things do anything to me. I don't think the Steelers are dramatically any different than they have been in the last several years and I think the Giants will be bad. And I think the Giants are in a really, really tough spot. And I don't really know what else they were supposed to do. But, and I said this yesterday, I understand why John Mara did not want to be looked at like

some loony owner constantly firing people. But it's like, John, everyone you fired deserve to be fired. like Ben McAdoo, you had to pull the trigger. Joe Judge ran a quarterback sneak on third and nine. He had to go. Pat Schumer had no business being a head coach. Like this crew, it's not really working out. And like, I get it, you like these guys?

A lot of people get fired in the NFL that people liked. Pete Carroll got fired. Andy Ree got fired. Like, it's part of the job. But these guys have no shot to win. And if you add Aaron Rogers, like, their roster is way worse than the Jets. And unlike the Jets,

they play in a division that's much better. I mean, the Eagles are a powerhouse. Clearly, Washington is going to be improved, and they were in the NFC championship last year. And let's face it, like the Cowboys had a million injuries. Maybe they're no longer that 12-win team, but they're way better than the Giants. So I think this giant situation is like,

and even if they end up drafting Chador with a third overall pick, like I saw Shador two years ago on a bad Colorado team, they were not good. And it's just like, if you put players on bad teams, especially a quarterback, unless they're fucking Peyton Manning or Aaron Rogers in his prime, they're not overcoming that. You will lose.

We just saw Aaron Rogers on a talented team last year. Lose week after week after week after week. And I think the Steeler thing and I think what Cam said is reflective, kind of what we all believe. It's like, I just, I can't. I just can't. It feels like a Bravo show now. which, listen, when you are an elite, when you're a great player, you can deal with it.

Like at one point in time, it's like, yeah, Antonio Brown's nuts, but he'll give you 120 catches and 15 touchdowns a year. Like, yeah, you just kind of deal with the nuts. And then it got to the point where like, yeah, he's not giving you that anymore. I'm out. Terrell Owens became that. And every once in a while, quarterback becomes that. It's like your drama outweighs.

I don't know how people deal with like, I'm pretty lucky my immediate family. There's not much drama involved. I keep a relatively smaller friend circle because I just, I can't really deal with crazy drama. I mean, there are levels where you have to be, you know, you have a family member, a close friend who just, there's drama in their life. They need help. Like that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying constantly something. It's like, if I'm the Steelers, it's like, listen, we sucked it up and we dealt with this weirdo Russell Wilson.

Now we're dealing with Mr. Ayahuasca who it just isn't as good anymore. Now you could also say for the Steelers like, what are your options? And I know it's been reported that they were pretty interested in bringing Justin Fields back on somewhat of a similar number to what the Jets gave him, which I honestly think would have been insane. It's like, wait, you're willing to give him even a number near that couple years, $40 million and guarantee $30, and you benched him for Russell Wilson? How's that possible? And you refused as Russell Wilson started not playing well and it got cold.

and he looked like a shell of himself, you refused to start fields. Like that would have showed you that you essentially through the last season. So I think both these franchises, I was pretty aggressive on how I was out on the Steelers last year and I looked dumb when they started 10 and 3.

And then everything changed. They started playing good teams and I look smart again. And listen, I've come to grips with, I'm no longer saying that Mike Tomlin and the Steelers should get a divorce. I don't believe it's going to happen. I believe he will be there forever,

no matter how many 8, 9, 10 win seasons he has and how many times he gets his ass kicked in the first round. Like, I'm done. That's a take that's a waste of my energy. I'm also done ever thinking the Steelers are going to suck. They're clearly not. But like their version of suck is what we are witnessing right now. The team that just says the same thing every single year.

And clearly the Chiefs are this dynasty team, five Super Bowl, six years, three championships. But that next tier of team that cannot beat the Chiefs, kicks your ass, the Bills, and the Ravens. So it's like the Chiefs are in their own category. And then that next tier of the Bills, Ravens have nothing in common with you. They own you.

Yeah, occasionally you could beat the Ravens and Lamar in a regular season game. No one cares. Right? I mean, guys like Deerrin Fox score 50 in random regular season games. It does not matter in the landscape of the league in the important games. So it's like, I just think the Steelers are now, the same spot over and over, over and over. They can add Rogers.

They can bring back Russell. They can draft Jackson Dart. They can do whatever. I don't think anything's going to change. And it sucks if you're a Steeler fan because it's like, we're never going to bottom out. So we never will have a chance at the Jaden Daniels or the, you know, I don't think Trevor Lawrence any good, but like that type player will always just, you know,

somehow be nine to 10 wins, be one and done in the playoffs, not host a playoff game, have a stretch in the regular season. We're like, are we pretty good? And it's like, no, actually not. So it's just the same all, same all. And now you're waiting on a 41-year-old who's toying with your emotions. That's what it's come to.

You're waiting on a 41-year-old that we've all acknowledged. Isn't that good anymore? He's not worthy of like, we should be, but we're desperate. What else are we supposed to do? And the answer is, you're screwed. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

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My overall take is I don't care. If they ban it, I don't, it will not bother me. If they let them continue to do that, will not bother me either. because anyone can do the tush push, the only team that has the guy who is a little shorter that can squat 600 plus pounds is them. Because I saw Josh Allen, who I thought's one of the

stronger, bigger quarterbacks I've ever seen try to run quarterback sneaks, and he couldn't gain a half yard. So I just don't care. You ban it? Cool. You don't ban it. Okay. Doesn't bother me. But I do think there are some pretty important potential rule changes. I have been saying forever

as a fan of football, as someone that gambles on football, as someone who just watches a ton of football, the amount of games in tight, most NFL games are close. I think 80% of games are within one score in the fourth quarter. So giving teams automatic first downs on defensive holding is the most, I think one of the craziest things

in the NFL rule book. How often do you watch a third and 10 in the second half, tie game, down three, up three, and a team, it's third and nine, and some questionable defensive holding or a legal contact, automatic first down. It's fucking bullshit. I would even go a step farther, pass interference.

We should go college, 15-yard penalty. But that's a different discussion. No problem if it's third and three, defensive holding first down. But automatic first down, we have seen so often second and long, third and long. It'd be like third and 15, and there would be a defensive holding,

automatic first down, especially when the quarterback doesn't even throw that guy's way, and it doesn't even come close to being completed. So the Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell, Brad Holmes, and the Ford family, F-150, number one selling truck in America, no free ads, but it's truth. They want that gone. They want that changed. And just make it a spot foul. So if it's third and nine and it happens at three yards, okay, it's now third and six.

I'm all for it. I am 100% down because the automatic first down on that play has an outweighed impact on the outcomes of way too many games. This is not college football where half the games during the fall are 15, 20, 30 points spreads. That's not the case. All these games are close or the majority of them are. And so many times coming down the home stretch, and it probably impacts more games earlier in the game too,

but it's like a tie game, six minutes left, and it would have been a punt, and then all of a sudden you get a first down, it leads to a field goal, and that's the difference in the game. So props to the lions on that one. They also, I guess a lot of teams are behind the reseeding of the playoff teams. Essentially, no longer the first four seats,

one through four, are the four division winner. because we have constantly seen, you know, nine, ten win teams usually be the fourth, sometimes even the third seat. And yet we've had wildcard teams win 12, 13, 14 games and have to go on the road in the playoffs. So they are discussing making basically the top seven seeds in the playoffs are just by record. And now, if you win the division, you do get a playoff spot. So four of the seven spots are still going to go to the division winner, which I'm all for. but you don't automatically get a home game.

Look at the Vikings. Now, because of the fires, they ended up playing in Arizona, but the Vikings had to go on the road. The Vikings were 60 minutes away from being the number one overall seat. Instead, they lose, and all of a sudden,

they're playing a Monday night game in Glendale, Arizona, which still kind of worked out to be a home game for them because of how many people from the Minnesota general area, you know, I would say live, you know, in Arizona.

But that's beside the play. point. They have one of the best home field advantages in the NFL. So I'm totally for this. I know a lot of people have hit me up over the years asking if they should do a team can pick whoever they want to play.

I think that's fun to talk about and it's a cool discussion. It will never happen. And all 32 teams, the good and the bad teams, would not want that. So totally for that. The other thing is I think the Steelers put through this rule out,

which I don't hate. Right now during the tampering period, you are based on the letter of the law, not allowed to talk to the player. So if I'm the New England Patriots and I want Milton Williams, I can talk to his agent, but if I'm Vrable or my defensive coordinator,

I can't get on the horn with Milton. I have to wait till the official start of the league year to talk to him. They want to make the tampering period allow you to talk to a player. So if I'm recruiting player X as a free agent, I basically can't talk to him where I can avoid that. Remember, Sequin said something about how he talking to him last year,

and then he had to push back and it turns out, you know, it's like, I think the fix is pretty simple. You are allowed, you're not allowed to announce anything, but to me the tampering period should start at the NFL combine. And then the league year, whenever that tampering period, quote unquote, starts, should be that Monday in the league year and then for maybe even three days so it could be a Sunday

you're allowed to negotiate with the player and the agent because it is very you have to be extremely naive to think that these discussions aren't happening very very frequently at the combine so we all know the combine is the unofficial start to legal tampering

yet you can't start quote unquote legal tampering till like a week later on Monday. It's just, it's very disingenuous and it's just not the way the real world works. So to me, I would mess with the combine and have that as some sort of legal tampering and try to ideally give it a week where you start announcing the deals.

But even right now, once the legal tampering period begins, all these deals start breaking. You think we just come to an agreement, $60 million, Monday at noon? Of course not. We've been talking for a week. So I think there's something to be manipulated with the legal tampering, with the discussions,

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