The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of The Week: Derek Carr retires, NFL schedule release, What's going on in Cincy

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

This week on the podcast John discussed the retirement of Derek Carr and what his legacy will be, he reacted to the NFL releasing the schedule for next season, and the circus that is the Cincinnati Bengals. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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but whatever you may be doing, we have a little best of for you this weekend. We had a crazy week. Started off actually last Saturday when Derek Carr retired. Not sure I saw that one coming. What's going on with the Bengals? Obviously, they're star pass rusher, not happy. Text messaging with his head coach. Clearly not on the same page.

And obviously, by middle end of the week, we had a NFL schedule relationship. lease. So from games being stream to international games to primetime games, we will dive in to the schedule release. So let's talk a little football. Well, well, well, Derek Carr has, I don't want to say officially, but unofficially retired from the National Football League. And a little bit of a shocker. Not sure that most of us saw. this one coming. Though, Benna weird, feels like last month or two, with the back and forth with the Saints, with kind of some threats about a season-ending surgery, with them drafting a quarterback early

in the second round. It did not feel like Kellyn Moore and kind of the new vibe in the building was in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to the Saints because of Dennis Allen, who was obviously fired last year. year, but there's no more guessing how the situation is going to play out. Is he going to get surgery? Is he going to, you don't have to compete for his job? Can Kellyn Moore?

Could they deal him? It's like, nope, I'm done. And you can retire at 34, 35 years old when you've made $200 million playing football. And there is no disputing. He's been one of the more polarizing players over the course of his career. Because the one thing Derek Carr has been, and he will, go out as being is a starter in the NFL. This wasn't one of those guys that's like backed up some people bounced around. He's played for two teams. He's played in 169 games and he started every single

one of them. And I had a front row seat when he got drafted to the Saints and he beat out Matt Schaub in training camp. I remember being at a preseason game four against the Seattle Seahawks, his rookie season. Pete Carroll was a little old school. This was a team that had already won a Super Bowl. I think they'd already been to another. I mean, they were easily one of the best teams in the NFL. Their defense of backfield, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, and obviously Richard Sherman. And those guys played in the fourth preseason game. And Derek went right down the field, scored a touchdown on him. Then I think Pete pulled everybody, but then he scored either two more or three touchdowns in that first half. And it was like, Matt Schaub's done. And I think a day

or two later, Dennis Allen announced him as the starter. And then he would go on. to be the longtime starter for the Raiders. But some background that I had, when I was hired out of college at Fresno State to be a GA in recruiting, when I got there in basically probably late May, early June, we had a recruiting class. And this is a day and age when the transfer portal didn't exist. There was only one signing day.

People would commit, especially at schools like that. And for the most part, they were going to end up playing football for you. and Derek Carr was, when I showed up, by far the biggest current commit of the class. He was a really good high school player. Probably could have gone to places like Cal, well, Jeff Tedford was who had coached his brother. I know Utah was really interested, but he was dead set in finishing kind of what his brother started. And he had committed very early on in his high school career and really never, wavered.

And I think his senior year, he transferred from Texas, back to Bakersfield, and had a massive senior year. But he came to Fresno State. Honestly, probably should have won the starting quarterback job as a true freshman. But Coach Hill, old school, went with the longtime backup, who just simply was not as good as Derek. But Derek not only backed him up that year, redshirted the next year,

and then he started for the next three seasons. and if his name had been Derek Johnson instead of Derek Carr, I think he would have been a lock first round pick. But when I got, when I was around him, his freshman year, I remember thinking like, this guy's got a big arm. This guy's a really talented player. And then after his freshman year, I was hired into the NFL with the Eagles, and I get there in Kevin Cobb, he ended up starting a game

because he got knocked out and Michael Vic came in, the rest is history. but I remember being in training camp practices watching Kevin Cobb throw the ball and texting people back at Fresno is like, this guy doesn't throw it nearly as well as Derek. So I don't want to say that I knew Derek Carr was going to be an NFL starter right then and there. But it was eye-opening

how much Derek's arm was going to translate. And by Derek's senior year at Fresno State, I think he threw 50 touchdowns and eight picks. I mean, dominated. I mean, his last couple years, All Mountain West guy, him and Devante, it wasn't even fair. It was like the equivalent of Joe Kitch and Murray

playing against me and you. But because of his name and his brother being a pretty legendary quote unquote bust and being someone that I would say has a negative connotation in NFL circles, I do think it hurt him. But it ended up going in the top of the second round.

And the one lesson I think you take away from Derek's career is so much is out of your control. Whether you're a football player, for those of us in life. But specifically at quarterback, you get drafted. You don't pick the other players in your team. You don't get to determine who the coach is.

You definitely don't get to determine the scheme, who the assistant coaches are going to be, who the GM is making the moves. And Derek went to a very, very chaotic organization. And basically for the first six or seven years he was there, it was all about when are we going to move, how are we going to move? and then we are moving, but we're staying in Oakland for a couple years.

Like, it wasn't a very easy situation for any player, let alone a young guy, especially the starting quarterback of the team. And everything that was thrown on his shoulders, I do respect how much he had to handle. Because he was asked these questions constantly, and he had nothing to do with any of them. But I do think his career could have turned out a lot better if it wasn't for a broken ankle his third season.

because by his second year in the league, he had thrown 32 touchdowns. They had Amari Cooper. They had signed Crabtree. And it looked like, this guy had a chance to be a pretty good quarterback. Like to be a guy that would be top 10 in the NFL. The following year, they are good. They have 11 wins going into week 15. He throws several touchdowns.

He's in the conversation to be the MVP. He is taking to the Raiders to the playoffs for the first time in like 15. years. This was a franchise that hadn't been to the playoffs. Hell, hadn't sniffed the playoffs since like 0-203 range. And in 2016, he wasn't just having a great year relative to the league.

He was playing really, really well. I was going to all these games. I mean, he was playing like a top five or six quarterback in the NFL at a really, really high level. And then his ankle shatters. And honestly, I think after that point, I don't think his career was ever quite the same. Obviously, the Raiders went to the playoffs. I

started McGoing in the game and they got worked by the Texans. But then they go through Jack Del Rio, they hire John Gruden, the moving process happens. And again, he, I don't think he was ever as good as that 2015, 2016 range. But by 2020 and 2021, under John Gruden, after everything had normalized a little bit, they had moved to Vegas, he was playing pretty well again. Over a two-year span, he threw like 50 touchdowns and less than 25 picks. and was a high completion percentage guy. And the team was just kind of headed in the right direction.

And then Monday Night Football's going down. The New York Times has the report, and John Gruen gets fired. And then a couple months later, after they get knocked out in the playoffs by the Bengals, they bring in Josh McDaniels. And it's very safe to say Derek's career on the field is all downhill after that. Now, he ended up making a lot of money. And I do think he's kind of the poster child for the modern era of pro sports. and the amount of money that's being giving out in specifically the NFL for any decent player.

Like obviously if you're a star, you were making a lot of money in the 80s and the 90s and every generation. Right? It's all relative, but even now, like Justin Jefferson, what Michael Parsons is going to end up getting. You know, all these guys, the top guys are making money. But the top guys, when I was a kid, were making the most money. But when you get a guy like Derek, who's never won a playoff game. game who's only been to the playoffs twice and one of them he couldn't attend because he had a shattered ankle. So the one playoff game he did start, he lost and didn't end great against the Bengals because he he he clocked the ball on first down in the in the red zone late in the

game. So he basically gave away a you know, one of their four plays, which wasn't ideal. But someone had slid in my DMs and asked me, John. Do you think Derek is pulling a Sean Payton doing a retire to kind of pivot? And, you know, I've got to cross my mind. The more and more I left the just reaction of what happened really seep in. And then I read about some of the stuff that happened. They're going to allow him to keep the $10 million roster bonus that he got for being on the team after free agency started. But he gave up the opportunity for the $30 million guaranteed this fall by retiring.

basically like we're good and i don't think you would do that because if he if this was really uh a double middle finger move to try to set a situation where in a year he could get out why wouldn't he have just got his shoulder surgery this year they would have been on the hook to pay him between the bonus and the salary 40 million dollars and then of course they would have cut him next year and he would have been in theory healthy and a free agent to sign wherever he wanted to play So I do believe him And then I saw his wife had a post Like I think he's retired

I think he's just done And I think when you've been in a situation When you played for the Raiders as long as he did And then you go to the Saints And listen some of it's his fault Like he had moments in big games Where he did not play well I'm not trying to act like he's a better player

Than he gets credit for Because I think the last four or five years He's been pretty average But he also represents Like I said a guy that made over $200 million So it's much easier to call it quits when you go, listen, I'm 34, 35, I got a big family. I guess they just moved to Fresno. Like, I'm done.

I'm out. You've made a lot of money. I mean, there can't be, I know a lot of people in the Fresno area. And while they do have some wealthy individuals, they're all business owners. There is not many people in the state of California outside of the San Francisco and LA area. So especially the Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, who have made over $200 million that never owned anything. He's just a W-2 employee for the Raiders and the Saints. So Derek banked a lot of cash in the league. And a lot of people would say not playing that well. And I would say

I do think he made a decision going to the Saints a couple years ago because of Dennis Allen and their previous relationship. I don't know if that's a great move. Obviously Dennis Allen's not a very good head coach. And I think we do have to question the Saints, you know, minus like what Sean Peyton, the brains behind everything. And we're going to see with Kellan Moore, if it was all Sean Payton, if this organization is, you know, has the ability to kind of overcome stuff. And I saw Kellyn Moore said that we'll just have a, he's in an easy spot now. He's quarterback competition. Jake Hainer, Spencer Rattler, and Tyler Shuck. But I think Derek Carr's retirement, I don't think it symbolizes anything like,

could this be a new trend of guys retiring early? No. Now, is he going to get shoulder surgery? Is his injury legitimate because the Saints had a press release? Clearly, I don't think they're all on the same page about this injury. In a weird way for a guy that you look at his wiki, played in a lot of games, does feel like recently he's had a lot of injuries,

from shoulder injuries to concussions. It just feels like over the last, you know, especially in the 2020s, there have been a lot of Sundays where if you have, you know, a Raider game or a Saints game on, Derek is on the ground laying there. And maybe he was just tired of the pounding he took

and said, I've made enough money and I'm out. But I do think his career could have gone. Like, if you played it over 10 times, I do think there are a couple scenarios where it goes way better. And he goes to a stable organization. I think he always would have been a very polar, rising player, like a DAC, like a cousins, but look at Dak. For a lot of his career,

like, we can nitpick Jerry and say he does some crazy shit, true, but like they've won a lot. They have three straight years where they won 12 games. I do think early on in Derek's career, had he not been with the Raiders, had he been with a team that kind of knew what they were doing, he could have been a guy that was constantly going to the playoffs. I mean, like Andy Dalton, doesn't mean he would have won in the playoffs, but I think Andy Dalton went to the playoffs six straight years starting quarterback. So a lot of times, as a guy like that, Dak, Andy Dalton, Jimmy Garoppolo, like you're not going to go to a bad team and have success.

It's going to be very, very difficult unless you're playing out of your mind. But if you're going to play to what your ability is, which relative to the rest of the quarterbacks, is somewhere in the middle, you are going to need high-level coaching, high-level talent. Ideally, a good defense. And that was the other thing with the Raiders, like, their defenses were a joke.

I mean, I remember the one year that Khalil Mack won the defensive player of the year. and I didn't even think the defense was good. It was just him. The reason he won the defensive player of the year because he literally did everything. Like fumble sixes, pick sixes, sacks. It was like, I don't even think

there's anyone else good on this defense. Like a good defense wouldn't want any of the other players besides Khalil. And it also shows you the Raiders, man. They had a two-year stretch where they got Khalil Mack, Derek Carr, so they got their star pass rusher, they got their starting quarterback,

and they got Amari Cooper, which early on looked like a really, really, really like a guy that was going to be a top three or four wide receiver in the league. And then by the time John Gruden got there, it was his call kind of over. And it was just Derek, who was not quite as good as he once was. So kind of a crazy little tale of a career.

But, you know, at the end of the day, hard to say, you know, in Derek's shoes go, I started for 11 years in the NFL. I made $200 million. You know, in his mind, probably thinks it's really, really successful. And I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, but I think the way people would talk about it would say he's unsuccessful given how many starts he had

and the results. And I think my overall take is most guys don't overcome. In any, like I could put you, like you're going to have much more success if you're a finance guy and you go work for Goldman Sachs than if you go work for some crazy organization.

I'm a much better podcaster because you guys can hear me because of Colin Coward that if I did not have him. A lot of stuff is out of our control. So he plays for the Raiders who are running through coaches who finally look like they got it right and then Gruden has to get fired because of everything that happened.

It's just not a normal place to work, you know? And a Peyton Manning, a Josh Allen Lamar Jackson, you know, there's certain type just freak talents that might be able to overcome it. Most guys cannot. You see the Cowboys, when a couple things go wrong, DAC looks awful.

It's like, what is happening? Say this, for the most part, in Kirk Cousin's career. Like, when he signed with Minnesota, like, they're pretty well-run an organization with a lot of good players. Right? It's like, from Kevin O'Connell to Zimmer,

like either they're good on defense or good on offense, a lot of talent around him, like pretty good place to play. You know, it's Alex Smith. Everyone called the guy a shitty player. Until Jim Harbaugh showed up. And everyone was like, oh, it's okay. And he goes to Andy Reid.

oh, this guy's a playoff quarterback. And then up until his leg snapped in half with Washington, I think they were six and two, he's having a career year. It's like, yeah, you go to teams that either have good coaches or good talent around you and people that believe in you, you have a chance. And then when Josh McDaniels got there, that relationship was a disaster. And it turns out like, say what you want about Derek, Josh McDaniels is a joke as a head coach, a complete scam artist.

I mean, he ran one of the great Fugazi campaigns we have ever seen. I read it. Dan Pompeii wrote the article like five years ago. It was like, Jesus, I believe in this. Josh McDaniels has changed his life around. It was about him looking in the mirror

and writing positive words of affirmation down in a journal. It's like, this guy's a way different human than he was for the Denver Broncos when he drafted Tim Tebow and everyone in the building, including the animals, couldn't stand the asshole.

It's like he has changed. And then we're like, two months in, we're like, oh, same shit, different day. And listen, Dan Pompey can write some compelling articles. I just read this one about SpyTech and Tom Brady. I actually text John.

I'm like, I don't know if you saw this. But this article about you and Tom is incredible. Dan Pompey can write some gripping pieces. That has Tom on the record, so you know it's not, you know, a scam piece like the Josh McDaniels was. And I don't even know if Josh McDaniels was a scam piece in the sense that he truly believed like, I'm a positive person now. I'm different than I once was.

I will not be Belichick this time around. It's like, no, bro, you will. You're going to do the same thing over and over. And it didn't matter who played for Josh McDaniels. You would fail. Whether there's Team Tebow, whether it's Derek Carr, whether it's Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes. It would not go as well as it could because of this.

We say it all the time with Brock Purdy. Like, he's an incredible story. And an easy guy to root for, even though he's obviously a polarizing individual in the world of people that talk about football. But what he has accomplished being the last pick in the draft and how well he's played is fucking awesome.

But he benefits greatly from going to Kyle Shanahan. If I gave Brock Purdy to some of these other teams, it probably would not look that. And he'd be the first guy to tell you. And I would have told Derek, if he would advise me, should I go to the New Orleans Saints

with Dennis Allen? like, I don't know if that's a great idea, man. This might be your one last shot of getting an opportunity to be a long-term starter and getting some money. And obviously, Monday talks, shit walks, and they gave him $70, $80 million guaranteed. And he said yes. And now a couple years later, he's retired. So, uh, crazy story. You never know what's going to happen in this league.

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I actually really want to go to the, to Allegiance State. stadium in Vegas. I've been to Vegas so many times the last three or four years, and every time I see it, it just looks cool on the outside. And obviously, on the inside, it, by all accounts, anyone listening that has been there, I actually played golf today with a guy who has gone to a game there. He's a Bears fan. I know a lot of people have been games, and they just say it plays

badass. So if you ever want to make a little weekend trip out of Vegas, that stadium is pretty freaking cool. I mean, it hosts other events as well. But I do, Speaking of, you know, the Raiders in the AFC West, if I would have told you even a decade ago when Andy Reid and Alex Smith were consistently a 10-11 win team and going to the playoffs, that they would land this quarterback and he would turn them in to the number one brand in football. Like, that is so insane. And I think the power of the NFL, and we talk a lot about this, like as I'm recording this right now, the Knicks are playing. and whether I'm pretty sure they're going to win a night but even if they don't win a night, I'm sure they'll win game six with Tate them out.

They're just a massive brand. They're one of the biggest brands, despite losing a lot, the moment they get good because of their market and because of the quantity of the fan base. We use the Yankees a lot. It was a really big deal last year in the World Series. I don't know to have the Yankees and the Dodgers.

Why? Historic brands, the Yankees have been winning, since like Babe Ruth in the early 20s, the Dodgers are also been winning well before I was alive, and they just have a large quantity of fans. So it is way more powerful to have those two teams in the World Series than other teams without the amount of fans. It's why last year's World Series did huge numbers.

And basketball and baseball are so dependent on the big boy brands. It's like if the Lakers played the Knicks, be no different than the Dodgers and the Yankees. It would be incredible. do historic numbers. The NFL has found a way. I mean, think about this. Two of the biggest brands in the NFL

are in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's because those two franchises, I mean, the Packers are also a historic brand and haven't really lost for 30-plus years. And the Steelers have been winning since the 70s. I don't mean Super Bowls, but just winning. So you accumulate a lot of fans by a bandwagon.

The Chiefs, over the course of like six or seven years, of starting Patrick Mahomes have turned into a team. Five of the first eight weeks, they are on prime time. Week one, Brazil, YouTube, standalone games. Week three, at Giants, Sunday night football.

Week five, at Jacksonville, Monday night football. Week six, Detroit, Sunday night football. Week eight, Washington, Monday night football. Now, the Giants, in theory, if they're good, are a big time. They've been terrible for over a decade. So you just put the Chiefs,

on Sunday night and Monday night against the Giants and the Jags, like, we're good. Because no matter what, even if those teams suck, we got Mahomes. And it's just crazy how it's become like this. Because in a short period of time, they have become, you know, I think a lot of people get tired of like, why are we going to talk about the Cowboys? Why do we got to talk about the Cowboys? Because this is all a numbers game. And there's a reason historically, like, they just got more fans.

Now it gets to the point, like last year, if you're going to suck like that, And if you're not good again, we got to be able to talk about other teams. And the chief's like, hey, we will enter the chat. And they have. And it's pretty clear that, and I don't even, five of the first eight weeks, they also play on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So it tells you everything you need to know. They wet the beak of NBC and ESPN and even YouTube.

They also take care of Netflix and Amazon. It truly is incredible, how fast they have become. just a behemoth of a cash cow for the league. You put him on television. Listen, Andy's been winning for almost 30 years now. But to me, they're secret sauce. And you can also call it a combination of like, Mahom's the biggest star in the NFL.

He's the biggest name in the NFL. And I don't think you can dispute, even if it annoys people when they show him on, Travis dating her is kind of a big deal. I do think that plays a part into the power of this brand because I don't exactly know where Kansas City falls. on the size of some of these markets. Like the LA Rams,

now granted, they've moved around a little bit, but they've been good now since John McVeigh got there. They don't get treated like this. So it really is crazy how big Mahomes and Taylor Swift slash Kelsey have turned this franchise into. The other thing I find pretty fascinating is, and we've been talking about this for a while,

and listen, I've benefited from this. My life has directly benefited because of, technology. And it changed my life because I can do a podcast from a home office that goes on this phone that you guys make sure nothing crazy is up there, that you guys can listen to. And obviously YouTube has been incredible for the podcast business again. But forever in the NFL, like you took care of your main partners. And in the NFL, they make their money from NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox. that is like listen you'd be like well the NFL doesn't care what anyone thinks true except pissing those people off why because they write enormous checks well over the course i would say of the last decade amazon clearly got into the streaming world they now have thursday night football

netflix had been around they dabbled in the live events and then a couple years ago like yeah we're interested in football it's like oh shit the power of youtube now the NFL gives Netflix These two Christmas Day games, they're good games. I mean, Dallas might not be any good, but they get Dallas at Washington, which will crush. Detroit at Minnesota, I mean, that game last year was for the number one overall seed in the NFC in Denver at Kansas City. The NFL's current biggest brand against a playoff team in Denver, which also, if they're good, is a big deal. So they are taking care of Netflix and Amazon at a pretty high level. And if I'm Fox and I'm CBS and I'm NBC, clearly the way that you're not that,

these wins have changed over the course the last five, six years. We all know the cable bundle is not going to exist. And it's why I did defend the NFL a couple years ago for putting, I think it was Chiefs, Dolphins on Peacock. It's like, listen, I don't love having to give 20 bucks for one game of Peacock. And I technically already owned because they had some golf events. But would I love this just to be on regular NBC? Sure.

But I also don't live under a rock and understand that like NBC. the network is not going to exist. And if the NFL, like the older, the patriarchs of the family, the Jerry Joneses, the Al Davises, the, whatever the oldest Rooney, like the old Spanos's dad, the people that got in and when the business started taking off,

it was all the networks. Well, now it's like, hey, Amazon, Google, and Netflix, they got way more money than these people. Oh yeah, they also have a, way bigger reach. So one thing that is clearly inevitable. I mean, Amazon, they got in a Thursday night game. They're now getting, they got a Black Friday game this year,

which is obviously big for them. I think they had that last year as well. They have the Amazon night game on Christmas. To me, the YouTube thing, Week 1 Chiefs, Chargers is fascinating. Like, I mean, we all know most of you, I'm sure. Someone asked me the other day, like, how much time do you spend on Twitter?

And I'm like, honestly, if I'm not sitting at my desk, I used to spend, you know, I would say 10, 8, you know, 7 years ago, a lot. And I think over the last several years, the majority of time, even if I'm sitting at my desk and definitely on my phone, the first app I go do is either Instagram or YouTube. And the NFL knows this. And they look like, how much money does Google have? Like, oh, an unlimited amount. Yet we're going to start doing business with you. So if I was, and let's not.

Fox changed my life. When I was a kid, they got, if you're my age, you know, 40, a little younger and definitely older, you remember when Fox got into the NFL. And it was, I think, 93 or 94. They signed John Madden. They come in right as the 49ers and the Cowboys.

I mean, the Cowboys are starting this little five-year dynasty. The 49ers had been winning for 15 years. Fav gets traded to Green Bay. It was the perfect storm. And it was an incredible move for Fox. for the NFL, it worked out perfectly. And they have been very loyal to them forever. And now look at Fox.

They try really hard. They get Tom Brady. I saw Tom Brady schedule. Obviously, a bunch of cowboy games. The occasional like 49er or Eagle game, but it's the Cowboys win or lose. The NFC, they always lean with the Cowboys. But that was a really, really big deal.

And I think these people, and obviously these networks know, but they've got to be a little nervous now. Netflix isn't just dipping their toe in the water and here's the other thing the league is done they have given these like if you put a game on Netflix like just a random game

on Sunday afternoon and there were multiple other games it would not be as powerful Amazon was smart getting the primetime package whatever several years ago on Thursday night you don't have to compete against anybody and the NFL was smart

like that's what we want you to have because if you told me that like oh the giants are playing the jag you know, one of the 10 AM games on Amazon, you know what I would do and you would do more than likely, especially if we didn't have money on the game or you didn't have a player on the fantasy team, you might not put it on one of your televisions.

Yet they give all these streaming platforms, Netflix, Amazon, and this YouTube, you're not competing against anybody else. So even depending on your setup at home, it's not a pain in the ass at all because it's the only game on. So as we've seen, the only game on television, especially if it's the cat,

or the Lions versus Minnesota or the Chiefs or the Chiefs versus Harbaugh, we know these games are going to do great because they're big time games with big time people, either coaches or star players, and they're going to crush. So you're not only wetting their beak, you're making them realize like, God, this is a powerful fucking product. Because whenever this new negotiation happens, which I think as an opportunity in 2009, I just wonder how big of a player Fox and NBC and CBS are,

going to be able to compete against this because the more and more that these people get a taste of it's like god do you see the numbers that patrick mahomes and jim harbaugh did on youtube uh i'm speaking as if i was like a google executive it's like maybe we should uh ask for a couple more games youtube tv's already in bed because they have the direct tv uh you know not it's not direct tv but what direct tv used to have the NFL package i i'm sure like many of you watch it every week it's incredible. So to me, I'm fascinated by these streaming platforms that Amazon clearly is not going away, and Netflix getting more and more involved.

And I think Florio wrote about this. They're just stealing games away that would have, like, where do you think Detroit and Minnesota would have been? If the Christmas games had never existed in the league's like, listen, Adam Silver, you just, you guys can handle Christmas, throw LeBron, Steph, Aunt and Yokich on there. And you guys just have that day, we'll just chill. Right. Where would Detroit and Minnesota have gone? That would have been potentially like a Tom Brady game.

You know, on that Sunday, that would have been the primetime Fox game. Where do you think Denver at Kansas City would have been? Probably the primetime CBS game with Jim Nansen and Tony Roma. So they're just yanking these games and handing them to Bezos and Netflix. So fascinating stuff there. The biggest names, the brightest age. Championship level swings are lighten up Charlotte this week. And Draft King Sportsbook has you.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. One of the big stories over the last 24 hours has been the Cincinnati Bengals. And I got to throw a red flag on one situation. And I got to say, I'm going to support them in another. And I think two things that have happened over the last couple days is Trey Hendrickson basically went on record with Adam Schaefter today.

discussing his displeasure that no one has talked to him since the draft. There have been no communications on a new contract. That sounds kind of crazy when you read the headline and you realize the draft was like two and a half weeks ago. It's like we're acting like this was four months ago. I don't think it's that crazy. We're focused on the draft and we're focused on getting the guys in. I don't think that's the craziest thing and we'll dive into that in a second. But the bigger story was the Bengals, first round pick, Shemar Stewart,

the really physically gifted player from Texas A&M, athletic freak, didn't really produce at the level of his athleticism, but was drafted 17th overall. And pretty intriguing draft pick. It's either kind of a boom or bust. Feels like they're swinging for the fences. Don't hate it. Don't love it.

Understand it. Ad pick 17, don't hate it. He did not practice this week at rookie minicamp, which is kind of, of crazy given that everyone practices if they're healthy. He just stood there and washed. So like, given that this is a borderline unprecedented situation, I had to do some digging.

There was an article today in the Cincinnati Inquirer that one of the issues, because I thought, one of the reasons all these guys practice, not because most of them have their rookie deal signed before rookie minicamp, they do not. They typically get an injury waiver. So if something catastrophic were, to happen, they would be covered.

And the reality is the type of practice that you have now at these rookie minicamps is a joke. I mean, OTAs in general, it is nowhere near what it used to be, and the majority of this stuff is walk through mental stuff. The chances of people getting hurt now

are very, very slim. Still football, still definitely a risk, and at any moment someone could fall on you, things that are out of your control. So it's like, there is some understanding of, a risk that you are taking. Now, the issue that the inquiry reported was

everything is slotted now. Right? I just read that the Seattle Seahawks have signed the North Dakota State Guard, who was the 18th overall pick. So you are seeing rookie sign left and right. What are you really arguing over? You can argue over dates in which bonuses are paid.

Right? I give you a signing bonus, how we pro rate that, how it's paid, the percentage in which it's paid, and injury guarantees has been an issue somewhat that teams have butted heads on. Well, Cincinnati, I guess, had offered Stewart a lower percentage than Dallas Turner got in the same slot last year from the Vikings. So he's like, at most we should just be on par with that. There is a precedent set.

So while I will get into defending Cincinnati a little bit when it comes to Trey, this one feels like, listen, part of negotiation should be a little back and forth. There shouldn't really be any with this. This should be pretty black and white. Like, what are we doing? It's one thing to low ball player that's a free agent because he's highballing you and you end up meeting in the middle. Is high ball even a term? You know what I mean.

He comes in low. I come in high. and we eventually know we're going to meet in the middle, right? You list your house, overpriced for a million dollars. I come in at 8.50. I know we're going to end up meeting at 928 and be cool with it. I know you'll take it. Your agent's already told my agent.

They're like, listen, if you can just get close to the 950 number, I said, listen, I'll come up a little before 9, but we're going to meet in the middle. That's not what this is. These things are slotted. In Cincinnati, like, I think sometimes when you get a negative, there's like a narrative

or a talking point about you as a human being as a company as a franchise it's hard to shake that right and I would say when people think about Cincinnati their first reaction

is somewhat negative it's like kind of a low level franchise so when this story comes out it's easy for everyone to pile on them where if you're a high level franchise Like, if I had told you that Howie Roseman or Less Need

was in a standoff about a situation like this, those guys would get the benefit of the doubt. You'd be like, what's up with that fucking agent? And here's the reality of agents. The agent of the player does not give a shit about the team.

That is not his job. I think sometimes they overhype, like, I love my guys, I love my relationship. No, you're in the business of getting your two, five, whatever your points are on the deal to make money so that your 17 year old drives a Mercedes as well.

Like this is a business. Let's not get it twisted. You can say it's a human business and it is you're representing players but you wouldn't be doing this you're not doing this for charity here. You're doing it because there's a lot of money on the line and ideally you're buying it early to get that second contract

and really go chiching. So like the the objective of the agent and the objective of the team are never going to be the same. The team only cares about doing what's best short and long term for the franchise and trying to win. The agent just does not give a shit. The player he represents might, but the agent does not. But in a situation like this, like, I'm sorry, bad look for the Bengals, also just bizarre.

Like, of course this happens to the Bengals. Now, the Trey Hendrickson thing is a little, I would say there's a little more gray area. He's 30 years old. will be 31. Just had a career two years where he had 35 sacks. Would you be in the business of giving a hundred plus million dollars

to a guy that broke out in his career at 29 and 30 years old? Because I don't know, I might struggle with that. Like, it'd be one thing. It's like, hey, man, you could get me for two years and $60 million.

I don't think he's signing that contract. He's looking at Max Crosby. He's looking at Miles Garrett. Like, he wants a long-term, huge deal. and while they just signed their two wide receivers, those guys are younger players. Trey Hendrickson was not a guy they drafted. He was a guy they got because it did not work out for him in his first stop. And part of that was injuries.

Part of that was just figuring out how to become a pass rusher. And he's coming to his own and he's been an excellent dominant player. But I do understand if I ran the organization, and I think this is how it would be, if the Ravens ran it, if the Eagles ran it, if the Chiefs ran it, this isn't just a no-brose. brainer. Here, Trey, here's your blank check. And I think for him, and I saw J.J. Watt tweeting, like, of course, they told him, have another big year and then it'll take care of you. Yeah, this guy's his business. You know, this is one of those things if it's a little more complicated than just give him a bunch of money. Like, ultimately T. Higgins is getting a lot

of money no matter what. The Bengals just had to decide, like, are we going to invest a lot of money in two players at the same position? This is one of those where even good. teams will be like, yeah, we're going to hesitate on giving an older player that much money. Now, maybe he goes on to have three more years, no injuries, kicks ass, and you look back and go, God, it was a no-brainer. But what if, like, you're a year and a half in? You're like, God, he's already banged up again because he was early on in his career. So I think it's easy for him to come out and kind of paint the Bengals as the bad guy,

and no one is going to defend them because of what's going on with their rookie. But I do think this situation is a little more complicated. and they're going, you're not a free agent. It's not like we're franchising you. You're on a contract with $15 million. Like, we've already... Now, listen, their owner's daughter had made some comments a while back

that not the way I would do business. But I also think Tray coming out like this, I don't think that's helping his cause either. So I think this is a more complicated situation. And it's easy for every swinging dick on television that played in the league to go like, He's getting screwed. He is getting

fucking railroaded. And that's going to be the majority of shows you're going to turn it on. And listen, is he underpaid if they make him play at $15 million? 1,000%.

But like, what's he looking for? What deal would he be willing to sign? Because if he goes, Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, I got to say, no dog, not for me. And the problem is,

if you're the Bengals, like, what's his market? Does he have, a lot of teams. I know a lot of Lions fans hit me up like, when are we going to do something big? Like, what are the Lions going to trade a first round pick and give them $100 million? No chance. So, because that would be

crazy business. The Rams, maybe they get back to their roots. They got two first round picks, you never know. But I don't think that one is as as like black and white, right and wrong, you know, judging each side as I feel like it's made out to be on the interweb.

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