The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of The Week: Joe Flacco is NOT a mentor, Scottie wins again, Lions LOSE a key piece
Episode Date: June 8, 2025This week on the podcast John talks about Joe Flacco's comments about how he doesn't want to be looked at as a mentor, another big win for Scottie on the PGA Tour, and a key loss for the Lions to thei...r offense. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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uh Joe Flacko made some comments
I probably could play them
but the gist of it essentially was like
I'm not here to mentor guys
because he was asked like do you view yourself as a mentor
and he gave a really, really good answer, I thought.
Right?
Like, he's like, I could go either way, right?
I could come out and say, I'm going to be a great mentor,
and then you guys can crush me.
I'm not focused enough on winning.
I could say I'm not going to be a great mentor,
and you guys could look at me like I'm an asshole.
And the reality is I'm here to try to win games.
And in fairness to Joe Flacco,
Joe Flacco knows this,
Kevin Stefansky knows this,
because he surely told him when Joe Flackos came there,
and signed. The entire team knows this because a couple years ago, Joe Flacco led them to the
playoffs. And I don't know how long this is going to go on. I don't know if their team's going to be
that good. But when it comes to week one, if he's healthy, Joe Flacco's going to be the starter.
Like I saw Colin go on this thing that Shador should be the starter right now. Like, yeah, listen,
for an entertainment standpoint and content standpoint, I'm all for it. This is not going to happen.
Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Brown's week one. You can put that thing
and fucking Sharpie.
And if I'm signed to be the starter,
my job is not to mentor the guy.
My job, especially in the off-season
and in August training camp
and going into week one,
is to try to help my team win.
Now, if Joe Flacko had said this
as the backup quarterback
for Josh Allen,
or that's a bad example
because he's been in the league for a while,
let's say the Bears had signed him
to back up Caleb Williams,
or the Patriots had signed him
to back up Drake May.
And he had said this.
And it was clear like, Joe, you're not the starter.
I would have been like, that's the wrong signing for that team.
Because when the Kansas Chiefs signed Chad Henney,
the year they got rid of Alex Smith for Patrick Mahomes,
the reason they signed Chad Henney,
obviously he had a bunch of experience.
He was married and mature.
But was just to help Patrick Mahomes to be like an older voice in the room
on how to prepare and be a pro,
aka be a mentor.
That was his role.
That is not Joe Flacko's role.
On June 1st, 2025, his job is to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
So I've seen a million different thoughts and people with different takes on this.
Like, guys, it's not that complicated.
He's the starting quarterback.
We all know that's going to play out.
Now, if by week seven and they are two and five and he gets benched and Dylan Gabriel
or Shador is thrown in the mix, then yeah, his job then pivots to help that guy out,
which he has surely done before.
but like you can only do so much
you really can't
like look at last year
I would imagine he tried to help Anthony Richardson out
but there's a chance to some of these young guys
because this is the nature of
you know a young
I don't want to say no at all
but I think young successful people
probably think they know more than they actually do
they're probably not asking him unlimited questions
and the other thing he alluded to
like ideally I hope our relationship's good
like that's just the organic nature of being a good teammate and being around each other and being
like-minded people but there's no guarantee it's like yeah welcome to life you can work with people
if you don't have the same values and morals and kind of standards uh if one guy's lazy and you
and you don't buy into it or that guy if you're lazy and the guy that's a grinder you're not
going to get along it's not going to happen it's not going to go well we have all been in
different scenarios in our professional life once you get to a certain age.
If you've worked in the workforce, I would say for over a decade, you have worked with someone
you do not like.
I think that's borderline impossible.
Now, depending on your personality, that number could be higher or lower.
But we have all worked with people.
Again, not a boss that kind of rubs you the wrong way or piss you off.
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Someone you view as like a piece of shit.
low character loser
and that happens I'm sure
in every locker room
there are a couple people
that can't stand each other
and you hope that's not the case
and you definitely hope it's not
in the quarterback room
but it is not Joe Flacco's job
to hold
you know everyone's going to say Shador
and here's the thing with Shador
the coaching staff and the GM
drafted Dillon Gabriel first
so we can all want Shadour to play
from an entertainment standpoint
who do you think Kevin Stafansky
and Andrew Barry are going to put out first.
Because they do control a lot of this.
I've said forever the moment you get drafted,
a GM in a front office can like the player,
but they don't control the practice script.
They don't control who goes in when at practice.
Now, obviously some GMs have more juice than others,
but the coach has the majority of the poll,
especially once a practice starts,
he can do whatever he wants to do.
So it's going to be on those two guys
who are going to be taking reps with back.
backups, and who knows, maybe because Flacco is old and has so much experience that they just
don't even give him that many reps.
I have a hard time seeing that in training camp, at least, because you do need to have
everyone on your team, at least think that you have the belief that winning is possible,
right?
You can flip the script pretty easily once you've lost a couple games, but in training camp,
what's the point of grinding if we're just going to mail in the season?
That's why tanking doesn't exist in the NFL.
because no one has that mentality.
No one just fucking mails it in.
Now, maybe they do some sort of, you know,
like they did last year with Drake May and Jacoby Verset.
Jacobi was going to start week one.
But in training camp, they were splitting the reps,
unlike most teams would normally do.
And maybe they do that with the young players in Gabriel and Chador
when it comes to training camp reps with Joe Flacco
because you go he doesn't need as many reps.
But I don't blame him for thinking that at all.
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Gotti Sheffler wins again.
I guess we shouldn't be shocked.
Kind of kicking myself.
Liked him at the PGA Championship,
but really liked him the last couple weeks.
And Ben Griffin wins at the Colonial a couple weeks ago,
but Scotty wins Memorial.
He goes back to back for the first guy to do that at Jack's tournament since Tiger Woods.
He has three wins in his last four starts,
and he has combined to win those tournaments by eight shots, five shots, that would be 13, and then 4, 17 shots.
Safe to say, I thought it was a little hyperbolic last year.
I know he was having a tiger-like season, but I think sometimes when you compare people to Tiger Woods, to Tom Brady, to, as a hitter, if like comparing you to Tony Gwyn, you make these lofty,
comparisons. Typically, they're unfair because like the best of the best, they do it over a course.
You know, Tiger for a decade kicked everyone's ass. Tom Brady did it for 15, 20 years, right?
Some of these guys, they have such long careers of dominance. And, you know, Scotty's really been doing
it coming into this year for like a year and a half at the highest level, which is incredible,
which is very, very hard to do with the sport. And if you look historically, a lot of Hall of Fame golfers
just that have had great long careers
take advantage of like 24 months
and if you look at some major stretches
like guys that have won three or two majors
they usually do it over like two calendar years
and you just never know golf's really hard
I mean at one point in time you would have thought Rory
back in 2014 would have won 10 majors
you would have said the same thing for Jordan Speeth
I'm watching Jordan Speath yesterday
watching the final round at Memorial
I mean the guy is got to be the
most entertaining golfer of all time.
I mean, on any given moment, he can hit someone in the head with a golf ball or have a
put for like a seven foot or for eagle.
You have no clue what's coming at any moment.
It is the ultimate roller coaster ride.
And Scotty Sheffler currently is the complete opposite.
You know exactly what you're getting.
He's not only the heavy favorite to win next week at Oakmont.
I think I speak for everybody.
It would be shocking if he doesn't win.
It really would.
He's plus 280.
And all we ever say about this sport currently is it's never been deeper.
There's never been more talent.
We say the same thing about the NBA.
And while I'd probably agree in terms of basketball,
there probably has never been more individual talent and more skilled guys in the sport.
It's not an individual sport.
It's a team game.
And now with the mercenary kind of element of basketball,
you've got guys jumping all over the place.
So there's no cohesion with teams.
I'd argue, like, top to bottom, there have never been more, I don't know, worse teams, but just more chaotic situations.
Even talented teams aren't as good because they haven't played together for long.
When I grew up on the NBA, for example, it was like baseball and basketball, you had core groups that played together for a long time.
And you got to build cohesion.
Or in golf, it doesn't really matter.
It's just yourself.
You're just playing yourself.
And the thing about team sports, like, let's use the basketball analogy.
Oklahoma City.
They're clearly really good.
So when they have one guy has an off night,
when you're an elite team,
you got other guys to pick you up.
We've seen it in college sports forever.
Like it's really easy to go on a run
when you have a roster like 2019 LSU football
or those couple years of Georgia football
with all the NFL players they had.
Or Jim Harbaugh's team two years ago at Michigan
or the decade worth of Nick Savants teams.
They were dramatically better than everyone else.
and there was maybe a game or two throughout the season
where the competition was going to be close to equal.
We've seen in college basketball for a long time.
Hell, this year, with Duke.
They don't win at all, but it was clear
every game they played except maybe two or three,
they were clearly better than the other team.
So even if some random shit happens,
the margin for error,
because we got five guys on the court
or 11 guys on the field in football,
is going to be on my side.
In golf, there's a huge randomness to the sport.
right? What if you're just feeling shitty that day?
I was thinking this yesterday when I was recording a podcast on Sunday.
I'm like, I don't think my brain's working.
Like, was this podcast the worst podcast I've ever done in my entire life?
But like, it's whatever.
We have five, six days a week doing podcasts every single week all year long, year after year.
It's like, okay, you just keep on swinging.
In golf, like you play in these tournaments, as Scotty's doing, you got four days.
What if just one day you're just feeling like crap?
What if one day the bounces don't go your way?
Instead of like hitting two yards farther
and bouncing five feet away from the hole,
it kicks back and you get plugged in the bunker.
And instead of getting a birdie,
you get a double bogey and that's the reason
maybe you don't make the cut.
That's just not happening to Scottie Schaeffler at all.
It's what was so amazing about Tiger Woods,
which people said forever his most amazing accomplishment
of his career was his consecutive cut streak.
He never missed the cut.
Why? Because like,
obviously he was the best player
but to me that spoke
it didn't mean he won every week
because he didn't
I mean if you're an all-time golfer
and you're even getting close to winning like 10%
of the time
that's an incredible clip
yet Tigers give a shit factor was really
really high he took everything really really seriously
and I would say the same thing about Scottie Schephler
which early in the year he gave him a little bit
and benefited out because he had the injury to his hand
and everything was just a little off you're like
it's golf cut his hand
kind of a freaked deal
And then right around the Masters, it felt like, is this going to be Rory's year?
He wins at Pebble, he wins the players, and then he finally wins the Masters.
You're like, is Rory about to have like five or six wins this season in a couple majors
and kind of steal the throne back from Scotty?
And Scotty, to quote Lee Corso said, not so fast, my friend.
Pump the fucking breaks.
Then he goes to the CJ Cup in a field that, let's face it, not very good.
And you're like, listen, this is a warm up for the PGA championship.
He'll probably win.
even if he doesn't, as long as he gets some good momentum,
finishes in the top five.
Not only does he win, he wins by eight shots.
Then he goes to the PGA, where he wins by five shots.
So in two straight weeks, he wins tournaments by a combined 13 shots.
And then he goes to last two weeks ago with the Colonial.
Ben Griffin wins.
But it's not like Scotty just mailed it in.
The craziest part about this guy is like,
he never just has a random week where he finishes like 35th.
He finished fourth that week.
Then comes into this week defending champ.
no big deal all win easily and as jack nicholas said is like yeah you know ben griffin sep straka
nick taylor nice players but let's be honest they're not in scottie's league
sepstrakka won this year ben griffin literally just won last week and he just dismissed them
and so does scotty kicked his ass even though i actually think ben griffin wasn't terrible a couple
wayward shots or he's right there uh but what he's doing right now in an individual
sport where you have no one to bail you out.
Like if you're just feeling like shit,
if you didn't sleep well,
if I don't know, we've all played golf,
you just don't have it.
I heard Scott Van Pelt say this
I think a couple weeks ago on his podcast.
He's like, the most impressive thing
always was about Tiger is like
he didn't have it every week.
But there were some rounds
where most guys would have ended up shooting
74 or 75 and essentially
lost the tournament on like
a Thursday or Friday because either
they missed the cut or where they've been too far back.
And Tiger was always able to find like, you know what, I'm not shooting 74 today.
I'm going to end up shooting 70.
I'm not shooting 76 today.
I'm shooting 72.
And you just keep kind of your head above water.
And Scotty right now has, I mean, Rory at any moment, if you tell me, like on an individual
week, mails it in, finishes 35th, like totally believable.
Zander, I'm giving him a little benefit of the doubt this year because of the rib injury.
Like, it's kind of a tough injury to play.
through. He was incredible last year. He's been one of the better players in the world.
Clearly not quite himself this year. And it's hard, you know, with Bryson and Rom, not playing
with these guys every single week. But what Scottie's doing, like, I thought we were obviously
witnessing an all-time great player, but like the Tiger comparisons, the Jack, like, this is,
if he goes to win at Oakmont to have these back-to-back years of winning at this clip and just
kicking the shit out of everybody.
I understand Rory wasn't there last week,
but every player other than Rory was trying to beat this guy.
And he's just curb stomping the Justin Thomas's, the Xanders, like, it's not even
close.
The Patrick Cantlays, these guys are all going to be like on the Ryder Cup team with him.
And they're just, so Jack's taking this line of the Ben Griffins, the Seps
Strakhas aren't in his league.
Like, nobody's in his league.
Rory turns out not in his league
like none of these guys are
so the guys that are right behind them
on the Ryder Cup list
the Xanders the Justin Thomas is like
it's not even close
it's not a fair fight in a sport that like
there's just some randomness
that even if you get hot you kind of come back to earth
it's pretty crazy to witness
I mean I'm watching yesterday kicking myself
like why didn't you put an astronomical
amount of money on this guy
and every time I talk myself out of it
just like, ah, this is going to be the week, and then he goes and wins.
I always think when a player retires, quote-unquote, randomly,
especially when there is, you know, the car situation had gotten, let's say, toxic between the new coaching staff,
mainly the new head coach, him, they weren't on the same page.
It clearly got weird.
And I do think that I would imagine we'll see when quotes come out,
when Dan Campbell finally gets in front of a mic or Brad Holmes, the GM.
that they would have been in communication over the offseason with Frank Ragnow.
Their starting center, and let's face it, one of the better interior offensive linemen in the NFL.
It's always a little jarring when you see a guy just choosing to quit at 29 years old.
Now, I think what makes pro sports in 2025 so much different than I would say the previous,
We could even go the last 10 years, but anything before that is the money is so outrageous.
It really is.
Frank Ragnos is 29 years old and he's already made $57 million.
So even if you factor in after taxes, he's taken in net probably, I don't know,
well over $30 million.
And he lives in a place that, you know, no shade to Detroit.
And obviously they have some high-end places, but isn't Manhattan or Newport Beach.
so his money's going a little bit farther.
And I do think that makes or gives guys the opportunity
when they're in a lot of pain.
Because the one thing with football is we've all been critical
and I'm guilty as anybody is being like,
this is not the NFL I know.
This is not the sport that I grew up loving.
This was not the sport.
When I was in high school, it was suspicious.
You could take out of anybody.
The Ronnie Lotz, the John Lynch,
the Troy Paul Mollos, the Ray Lewis's, that's my NFL.
It was a much more violent game in the open field.
That is true.
Can't touch the quarterback anymore.
That's a fact.
Which I do understand from a business perspective,
but when you're watching a game, when it's your team,
when you're betting on a game,
and they throw a roughing the passer penalty on a quarterback hit
that is like hitting him with a pillow,
it makes you want to puke.
I mean, it really does.
But the one area where you can still be really violent and an area in which more and more elite players have come in the league over the past decade at defensive tackle, let alone defensive end, is the line of scrimmage.
And the speed, the power, the size of these humans is, it's crazy whenever the combine comes around and you see the measurables on the defensive linemen in the league.
and Frank Ragnow said, like, I've tried to talk myself that I'm not into a lot of pain,
and at the end of the day, I just do not feel right.
And if you look at his injury history, he's had a bunch of injuries over the course of his career,
and you do not become a pro bowl level player, a high-end player, a first-round pick,
a guy that is just, you know, one of the better players at your position at offensive line,
if you are not a tough son of a bitch.
Like, no one can question your toughness when you play center or guard,
and you are a high-end player at that position.
So I'm going to take him at his word that the pain and the worry about, like,
this might not work moving forward, right?
Jason Kelsey talked about this when he retired.
Like, could I keep playing?
Of course.
Now, he was much older than Ragnow,
but I'm in so much pain when I get out of bed every morning,
not even counting the season.
I'm talking about the off-season.
And I do think it makes it easier to make life decisions
when you have a lot of money in the bank.
and your family is secured, and you're not going to have to worry about anything.
Is it unlimited money?
Is it enough where you couldn't blow it if you did some stupid things?
Of course not.
But is it more money?
Are you immediately in the top 1% of the 1% with having millions upon millions upon millions of dollars in the bank?
You can look at things a little bit differently.
And it has to be difficult to make this decision.
I think if you're the Lions, I've said this before and I still believe this today.
Now, it is more difficult in this spread offense version of college football, this transfer
portal world we live in.
I always thought that guards and centers are the most replaceable.
Now, when you get pro bowl guys, it is hard to find another pro bowl guy.
But the drop off of just finding another center who can function is much smaller than if Penae Soule retired.
It's like, what do I do at tackle?
It's like, yeah, you can be screwed.
I see it with the 49ers all the time when Trent Williams gets injured.
It's like, what do we do?
And the answer is there's nothing you can do.
Because your swing tackle can never just step in.
You know, the lions over the last couple of years have actually had a pretty good swing tackle.
But it's why their offensive line has been awesome.
But for the most part, like there's a massive drop off with your third tackle than given a guy that your starter,
especially when that starter is a high-end guy.
But I think we've seen like, you know, Derek Carr 30 years ago,
is still playing football, right?
But he's made over $200 million.
And it's like, you know what?
I'm just kind of over this.
Not dealing with the politics of this business.
And Frank is like, you know what?
30 years ago, when, again, NFL players were still making a lot of money in the 90s,
they weren't making life-changing, generational changing money when you were the center in 1987.
You keep playing.
Because Frank, hell, he could make $10 million this upcoming season.
Hell, he could hold out because he has no guaranteed money left on his contract and surely get a raise.
I mean, he's scheduled to make like $9.5 million in actual cash.
I bet he could get that number easily up to $15 plus million.
But you're like, you know, it's not even worth it to me.
I don't even want to deal with this.
And who knows?
He's young enough that maybe in a year, maybe he's feeling better that he gets the itch.
And trust me, there would be either the Lions or other teams willing to scratch that itch.
but I think a huge element of these decisions, even going back to Calvin Johnson, you know, I think
Barry Sanders' decision was strictly based on this franchise fucking sucks.
This is not fun.
This is a miserable experience running around and never winning.
I do think the guys that we've seen in recent memory have factored in pain and I'm super
rich.
It's just not worth it.
Patrick Willis had the feet.
I think Calvin Johnson had the feet as well.
you know, Derek Carr has this messed up shoulder.
Those are just ones that come to mind.
It's like, you know what?
I don't need the money anymore.
Aaron Donald.
I mean, Aaron Donald's still kicking ass and taking names.
He's like, I already banked $100 million.
I'm good, dog.
I'm out.
I've already accomplished everything I've set out to accomplish.
I still feel good.
I see some of these clips.
I saw an Instagram reel of Aaron Donald lifting.
It's like, Jesus, guy looks fantastic.
He looks like he could,
you'd make it all pro this season if he came back.
I would actually bend on it.
But it's like, you know what, it's not worth it to me.
Because football, more than these other sports,
like baseball, you just play every single night.
You don't practice.
Take a little BP and you play.
Basketball, if you're on a good team by like Christmas,
you don't even, you don't practice at all either.
I don't think LeBron James teams have practices in like a decade.
So, like, football's the one sport
where you practice and mentally practice
with meetings and rehab and working on your body,
and lifting way more than you get to play.
I say this all the time because I think it's one of the great quotes of all time.
Ray Lewis saying you pay me Monday through Saturday.
Sundays are for free.
Because playing football at any level,
if you played in high school,
if you played pee-wees,
if you good enough to play in college,
the games are the fun part, right?
It's everything else that sucks.
And I think it's made these decisions for some of these guys
that could I battle through a couple more years of this pain
for another $20 million, which most humans would do,
well, it's easy to go, yeah, it's not quite worth it
when you've already made millions of dollars.
And I think that's really the number one factor here.
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