The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of The Week: Russell Wilson to the Giants, NIL, and Abdul Carter

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

This week on the podcast John discussed the big news in the NFL that Russell Wilson has signed with the NY Giants, the issues surrounding NIL in college sports, and how impactful Abdul Carter can be in the NFL. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we do what we try to do most weekends is do a little best of. And this week, obviously one of the biggest stories of the offseason so far is Russell Wilson has signed with the New York Giants. All signs point to him being the starting quarterback. Definitely starting as of right now. We'll have to see how this plays out. but I react to that news. NIL in college sports, its impact, and is it overrated a little bit?

It is the transfer portal, the ability to move schools without having to sit out, a lot of different variables. I dove into that this week. And then Abdul Carter, who is an excellent prospect. By all accounts, him or Travis Hunter,

are the best players in this draft, regardless of position. That includes the quarterback. It doesn't mean they'll go one, but he's not able to work out at his combine. He's got a foot issue, a shoulder issue. So we kind of dive into that from a scouting perspective and how front offices deal with medical information

because it's one thing to scout the player, scout the person, and get to know the prospect. But when they have medical issues that don't allow you to do stuff, it can make teams a little nervous because they have to depend on the doctors, something that they're not as comfortable and they really just don't have the ability to make those determinations. So we dove in to Abdul Carter and his inability to work out

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And some of us are old enough to remember when him and Pete Carroll started budding heads and Russell put out this kind of trade demand. If he was to get traded, he listed like four teams. And if memory serves me correct, the Giants were one of those teams. So he finally gets his wish of being the starting quarterback for the New York Giants. Over the last five or six days, they've signed James Winston, $8 million contract for two years,

$4 million a year. I looked at the details, not out. I don't know how much they guaranteed of that contract. We do know that they have guaranteed Russell Wilson $10.5 million. So let's just say $4 or $5 million. They're in this season guaranteed money at around $15 million. for these two players. And listen, the headline, because he's a really famous player,

and at one point in his career, he looked like a lock to go to the Hall of Fame. That will be highly debated. I think in the peak of his career, he definitely was, but that feels like a long time ago. I mean, the version of the guy we have seen last year crumbled as the weather changed. Obviously, Denver, they couldn't have got him out of there fast enough. His career has taken a turn for the worst. where now he's in a position where a team is desperate as the Giants,

give him a bridge quarterback contract. Pretty crazy how this is all played out. Now, as we sit here today, March 25th, I think it's fair to assume that Russell Wilson will be the starting quarterback for the New York Giants week one. Now, who his backup will be, yet to be determined. I don't think this move changes anything for the draft. I do think when you don't control

I still think Shador Sanders is going to be drafted number three overall by the New York Giants but something crazy could happen someone could trade above them they don't control their own destiny so as you sit here right now and you have the opportunity to sign a guy

that you know can be your starter and you know you can function with if you have to because let's face it while James has I would say improved over the course of his career is still a guy that once upon a time through 30 interceptions. Let me repeat that.

30 interceptions, not in a career, in a season. So when your job's on the line, like it is for Brian Dayball and Joe Shane, and your quarterback situation is playing out like it is now, you got to cut Daniel Jones. Aaron Rogers essentially tells you no. You're not drafting number one overall to pick Cam Ward. Not that he would be your savior either as a rookie, but you're in a really, really tough situation.

Here's the other problem. You play in a division with the defending Super Bowl champs who have a loaded team, with the Washington commanders who have what sure looks like a superstar quarterback and a team that might not win as many games as last year, but it's going to be better on paper and should be a playoff team. And let's face it, the Cowboys, when healthy, are just better than the Giants. So now we'll see, Brian Schadenheimer, new coach, there's some transition there. I think the Giants are just in a tough spot, and this is just a desperate move.

but I hear some people that believe the Giants have a better roster than the casual guy thinks. I don't know about that. I really don't. I just think that Russell Wilson is not fixing much. And I think the same thing with the Pittsburgh Steelers is with Aaron Rogers. Like, is Aaron Rogers an upgrade over their quarterback situation of Russell Wilson and the Rudolphs and that crew of guys? Kenny Pickett's the last couple years? Maybe a little.

But I don't think he changes the outlook of your team. winning nine or ten games. Like that would be the same thing. And when I look at the Giants, I go, yeah, maybe you win a game or two more. And you're not drafting third overall or six overall. But okay, you're drafting 11th overall. Like, you're not going to be very good with this player. And I feel for Shane and Dayball, sometimes the cookie crumbles from a quarterback standpoint,

and you're in the situation where you don't have any options. and when Russell Wilson is your best option in 2025, let's face it, let's not beat around the bush, you're fucked. I mean, you really are. The Pittsburgh Steelers, who have a way better team and a much more established head coach, we saw what happened last year. They started getting their ass kick down the stretch,

and they got worked in the playoffs and they were won and done. But the Steelers always win nine or ten games, and they go to the playoffs every year. Now, they're the seven seed or the six seed, but they're always there. Like the Giants over the last 10 years have been really, really bad. And I just don't think much changes here. Now, one of Russell's attributes that still works really well is the deep ball. And they do have Malik Neighbors, who is a special talent.

But when I look at this team doing this, like you're going into this draft with Russell Wilson and James Winston. Like, welcome to the quarterback room, Shadour. but I still expect if he's on the board the New York Giants to draft Shador Sanders with the number three overall pick. Now, maybe the coaching staff who is desperate to win to save their job thinks, hey, why don't we take

if Shadur doesn't go to and it goes Cam Ward, Abdul-Carter, why don't we take Travis Hunter at pick three? And then all of a sudden have Malik neighbors and Travis Hunter to go with Russell Wilson. Maybe the coach pushes for. that. I wouldn't blame him if he did. Because clearly, it's not like

Shador's going to beat out Russell in training camp. So you might as well try to build up your team as well as possible and hope your defense can be better because in theory they should have a solid defense. But I've always thought Kvon's a little overrated. You know, Brian Burns is solid.

But I don't exactly think their pass rush is like Miles Garrett meets T.J. Watt here. So I don't know, man. I think the headline, and this is going to be major talking point, Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, he is much more famous than he is a good player now. And while it looked really good early when Tomlin went to the bullpen for him, I'll never unseed at December. As the weather got cold, as they started playing better teams, and they had no shot.

And I mean, they had no shot. And I just think he's very average at best football player. And when you play in this division, you know, they're not playing in warm weather. So New York obviously gets really cold. Philly gets really cold. Washington gets really cold. This is a cold weather division.

And we just had a front row seat for what happened when the weather changed with Russell. He looked dramatic. He fell off a cliff for even a guy that had just looked okay, nowhere near what he once was. So I just think that this is what happened. when you get a coach and a GM holding on for dear life because that's what they're doing. And I don't blame them.

You're the head coach and the general manager of the New York Giants. Pretty good gig if it works out. Last I checked made some pretty legendary individuals holding those positions when they won. But this team is not going to win. And I don't think signing James Winston and clearly signing Russell Wilson changes much of anything. I'm not trying to hate on the Giants or be negative Nelly here, but I think we have to acknowledge what we have seen. And what we have seen is, one, this team is that talented.

And two, Russell Wilson is no longer really that good. And if, let's just give the hypothetical that Shador, because I guess Shadour is a hypothetical to go there as well. Let's say he doesn't go there. If you told me what month do people start going, should we go to Jemis? I'd say late October, early November. Like, that would be a conversation.

And if you tell me Shador's on the team, when do fans start going? Let's go to Shador Sanders. I would say the exact same time. So you can see what's coming from a mile away. Though I understand why they made this move. If I was in their shoes, probably would make this move too. I'm desperate.

I have no other options. What else am I supposed to do? I can't just go, well, even if we feel like 100% confident that Chador's going to be there three and we plan on drafting them, well, like, if Chador can't beat out James in training camp, and James is my starting quarterback going into the season with, you know, and I'm desperately trying to like compete for the seven seed in a conference that while it doesn't have Mahomes and Burrough and Lamar, it's still got like, I don't know, Jalen Hertz, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, I mean, Matt Stafford, Jordan Love's been a playoff quarterback two years in a row

Brock Purdy's won some playoff games James James Baker Mayfield It ain't gonna work It ain't gonna work dog Dak Prescott We're at a huge advantage In all of our divisional games

If that's the case So like I said Big headline I don't know if there's much substance to this move When it comes to college basketball In March mania One thing is for sure nothing's for sure.

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in the Sweet 16 or the SEC. I think I heard someone between the Big 10, the SEC and the Big 12, 15 of the 16 teams are teams from those conferences. And then Duke. And it's like, well, the death of the little guy.

And a lot of it revolves around NIL. And we've talked a lot about this in football. NIL, NIL, NIL. I talked to someone in the business and it's been reported on. It's just It's hard for me to follow, but it looks like over the course of the next 12-ish months, there will be some consistent revenue sharing when it comes to the Power 4 programs.

You will have a salary cap. I'll just pick a number, $20 million. And Georgia will have the same salary cap as Minnesota. We'll have the same salary cap as Washington as Texas Tech. And you just have to allocate who you pay. Now, the NIL will still exist. I mean, technically, it exists in the NFL, right? There's a salary cap, and then there's the NIL.

But the teams don't deal with the NIL. Allstate does, game time, you know, whoever, whoever your big sponsor is, pays the players on the side. And that's out of the team's hands. Basically, they just have to take care of your salary, like the teams. We all know the NIL and the shadiness is still going to exist in college. If you don't think it will, you're extremely naive. But I do think when you look at the reason that all these teams, the last couple years, the little guy's fucked. And I think when you look at the power or the playoffs in college football and the final 12, it's going to consistently be the same teams and the same group of, let's say, I don't know, 15, 18 teams year after year after year.

the only reason they allowed Boise that represented the non-power 4 to be in the playoffs, the highest rated non-power 4 team moving forward, is so they didn't get sued. They actually don't want that team there. But it's always going to be Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, right, Oregon, Washington, SC. It's going to be the same group of teams with the occasional random from one of those conferences, like this year, ASU, next year, could be Oklahoma State, but whatever, they're going to keep it in the family. And the reason is, when I was, I'll never forget, I had been at Fresno State for a couple months. I got there in the summer after I graduated from school, and then basically training camp hits, and boom, we're just playing the season.

I remember thinking it was so cool, going to meetings, and just, it was like, God, I kind of made it. Like, this is badass. Going from Cal Poly. It felt like I was in the NFL. And either our second game of the season or third game of the season, we were playing UCLA. And Pat Hill, the coach then, walked into the meeting room. He was really good. I would say addressing the team and just on Sunday, you know, because NFL Sunday is like the, or the college football Sunday is the equivalent of an NFL Sunday or Monday or Tuesday when you address the team about the future opponent and you kind of go over the previous game because you just played on Saturday. And I remember we were about to play UCLA, who's Rick Newheisel was the coach. And Coach Hill looked at, you know, the entire room.

And the majority of kids on the team, I would say at that time, probably close to 95 plus percent, maybe like 98, 99 percent of the kids were from California. And probably half the kids on the team were either from Southern California or somewhere in the Central Valley, Fresno South. And he said, raise your hand if UCLA offered you a scholarship. and like Ryan Matthews raised his hand and maybe like one other guy. So in a room full of 100 guys. And at the time, we were a top 25 team. And like two or three guys raised their hand.

And so when you think about these programs when they're, even if the NIL didn't exist, what really changed the game is the transfer portal allowed guys to switch schools without having to sit out. So like Ashton Genty last year, he's an outlier. When I was at Fresno, Boise State was a power. And by the time Kellan Moore's class of guys were NFL eligible and we're all going to go to the draft, I think 11 or 12 of his senior years starting 22 got drafted. Well, what are the chances in 2025 that those guys would have lasted that long?

They would have been offered scholarships to places they were never offered scholarships to. and let's face it, when Coach Hill goes, how many of you in this room were offered to UCLA? And only three people had raised their hand. Well, if 50 guys in the room had actually been offered scholarships to UCLA, guess what? Those guys wouldn't have been at Fresno State. So I think we talk so much about, oh, they're giving them money to leave.

Well, if I'm at Boise State, if I'm at Fresno State, hell, if I'm at Texas Tech or Minnesota, and Oklahoma or Texas come calling, or Ohio State or Michigan come calling or Oregon or USC come calling. I would have transferred even if they're not paying me because I would have probably gone to school there if they would have offered me a scholarship out of high school.

That never existed because it wasn't worth Steph Curry once he becomes a superstar in college at Davidson to transfer to Duke because he would have had to sit out. Somehow I ended up on Gary Payton's Wikipedia page. For those of you that don't know, you're younger, Gary Payton was like easily one of the biggest stars of the 90s.

You probably saw him on the Michael Jordan documentary. Made him look kind of bad, but Gary Payton was a badass. He went to Oregon State. And while he was at Oregon State, he was like the three-time Pac-10 player of the year. By the time he was like a junior, he's a concess is All-American. He's one of the best players in the country at Oregon State. So he, a lot like Steph Curry, it's clear, one of the best players in the country at this little school.

Well, in 2025, maybe Gary Payton, because not every guy is mature enough to go play for Nick Sabin or John Calapari or Coach Kay or Kirby Smart. Some guys take a year or two to develop, college football or basketball. And by the time they're a freshman or a sophomore, kind of pops and they look like, damn. Like Ryan Matthews look like an NFL running back when he was 16 years old. Some guys like Ashen Gentie, it takes them a couple years. And then by the time you're a sophomore, you're like, holy shit. This guy's one of the best players in the country. it is just very difficult when you're at a smaller place and someone calls you and says,

hey, we want you to be the starter at Oregon and you're playing at San Diego State for them not to say, at least be very interested. And then when you factor in the money, it's borderline impossible to say no. I think we have seen two recent examples in Gentie and in Drake May that are complete outlier situations. For the most part, moving forward, when you get guys like at second and third tier programs get offered by the top 10 programs in the country, they're going to say yes every single time. Because if Drake May, and I think he actually kind of was recruited by Nick Saban out of high school, he's probably a bad example. But Gentie definitely had been offered by Texas or Ohio State or Alabama or Georgia at a high school. Guess what?

Ash and Gentie wouldn't have been at Boise State. And the only difference in basketball is so many of the quote-unquote NBA prospects only last a year and maybe two. But if it had been when I was growing up and the guys would legitimately stay two or three years, anyone at a quote-unquote smaller school, i.e. Gary Payton, Oregon State, it wouldn't have happened. Kauai Leonard, Paul George at San Diego State and Fresno State would have lasted there six months and they would have been gone.

So I think we spend so much time talking about the money, and obviously that is what gets the deal done. But the transfer portal up until the last couple of years didn't exist like it does now. You can just transfer and play immediately. That's a game changer. One other thing, I've seen a lot of people. I don't really care about college basketball. I gamble on it during the tournament, but it's not like I watched it during the season. But you just, you know, I'm on social media enough.

I see the big stories and what matters. and obviously like I'm sure anyone listening to this saw some of the clips of Dan Hurley just I mean over the course of the year he's had some comments called himself the best fucking coach in America and everyone freaked out about that during the season I think they weren't getting calls I mean he did just win back-to-back national championships then he storms off the court this week and he like Baylor's about to take the court and he says like hopefully you guys don't get screwed by the refs I think he dropped a couple of F-bombs like we just did and basically everyone that talks about sports now is calling him a douchebag

and saying that he needs to calm down and he's just he's just a loser essentially even though again he's won back-to-back national championships if this was the NFL I would agree and when Siriani did some of his stuff a couple years ago his antics even this year when he was like screaming at the fans I think it turned a lot of people off including myself and even Siriani I think would have to be the first to tell you like it's a bad look. But in college, like, your coaches need to be the stars. Because the players don't stay there that long.

Even in football, where it's mandated that you stay three years. Think of all these superstar players Nick Saban had over the last 15 plus years. I could probably list 25 first rounders off the top of my head with East, potentially like 30 or 40. Yet the longest they ever stayed was three seasons. Nick Saban was there 17. Coach K. Coach for like 40, 50 years.

Same thing with Jim Bayhunt. The coaches in college sports are your stars. In the pros, the difference is, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Belichick, Andy Reed, Sean Payton. These guys are really famous, and they make a lot of money. But they aren't even remotely close

to his famous as these superstar players. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers. You name it. Why? Because those players are in the league. for 15 years, two decades, a long time. So when you look at college, like, I need some big personalities as coaches. That's the way the business works.

I'm glad Dan Hurley is a nut job. You know what? We need more nut jobs at coach in football and in basketball. They are the big personalities. So, like, I understand people being turned off by it. I don't really care. But if you don't understand the importance, of having some crazies who are great.

If you're just crazy and not winning, no one cares. This guy just went on one of the greatest two-year runs in the history of the sport. And I promise you this, like, they ain't going to be down for long. And here's the other thing. They were toe-to-to-toe with Florida that many consider, beside Duke, the best team in the tournament.

So I like Dan Hurley. I find them enjoyable. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news. We created our own

podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?

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We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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practice doing some like stack and shed drills. And I immediately thought, why is that Abdul Carter taking part in spring practice with Penn State? And then I had to click on it and I realized, no, that's not Abdul Carter wearing 11. That is LeVar Arrington's son, who is a true freshman and looks exactly like Abdul Carter and Micah Parsons. Say whatever you want about James Franklin. From a schematic standpoint, no one is going to confuse the guy with Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick, and obviously LeVar went to school at Penn State, but that guy can recruit some

pass rushers because this kid, I'm going to go after I get done recording this podcast, Watson YouTube highlights, looks like, I mean, just from a body type standpoint, looks like a future top 10 pick. You put on 11 at that program, the future is bright because Abdul Carter, you know, sometimes, you know, drafts are different, right? you, well, you evaluate the draft based on that current year. Like, if you go three, it's based on that current crop of guys. But in these draft meetings, you're constantly comparing them to previous drafts.

In previous guys in those drafts who are now excelling or struggling in the NFL. It helps. It's like, in real estate, you do comps. I'm sure in a lot of different industries, people listening to me, you're constantly comparing deals. to previous deals. How much did we pay for this? This is what we're willing to pay for that

because it parallels these previous three things we've done. It's no different in football. Based on measurables, production, what style of play you have. If there are four other guys that play exactly like you that went in the second round, like you're probably more inclined to take that guy in the second round than draft him in the top 10.

And Abdul Carter, regardless of he was in the 2025, draft or in some of the best drafts of all time. As a prospect, he's a legitimate top 10 guy. In certain drafts, you know, I would say a bad draft like this one, he can go pick one, two, or three. In some great drafts, maybe he goes seven to 10, but he's a legitimate high-end prospect. His skill really translates. And he does have a lot of parallels with Micah Parsons. Now, I think the thing with Micah that was a little confusing, the reason he didn't go in the top 10. COVID year didn't play for the season. Don't blame them. But it was just kind of a weird time. And usually when guys like that just play going into their draft year, like they're going to go really high.

But we talk about this all the time. You can scout a guy as a player and there is no disputing. If you watch Penn State play, especially down the stretch in the playoffs, you're like, this guy is a freak talent. I mean, he's battling with a shoulder injury, so there's no disputing his toughness, just his style of play. Like, he's really, really good. And I haven't heard anything negative from an off-the-field character standpoint. So I'm just going to assume, like, he's viewed as a real high-end total package prospect. But when things that are thrown in the mix, like he still has a shoulder injury that he's nursing from early January. He has a stress fracture in his right foot.

Those are things as the area scout, as the college director, hell, as the general manager, that are very, very difficult for you to give a concrete opinion on. You are very, very dependent on your medical team. So when Rosenhaus tells Schefter, he's not participating in his pro day. And everyone goes, why? And Rosenhaus goes, well, because of his shoulder still doesn't feel great from the Boise State game. and you go, well, is that, then it's your job to find out, is that the real reason? Or is the story that came out at the combine with a stress fracture in the right foot

part of the reason that he doesn't want to risk not looking good moving around? And so as a scout and as a scouting staff, all you can do is everything humanly possible to accumulate as much information as you can about what's actually going on. But when it comes to a diagnosis, like, I don't know anything about, shoulder injuries. I don't know anything about stress fractures in right feet. It's why Jim Harbaugh got in this back and forth with the local media this year in training camp because they were peppering him over injuries. And while he definitely doesn't want to divulge anything he's being told, like it was pretty easy for him to come. Guys, I'm not a doctor. I don't know shit. I just reiterate

what I'm told. And there's a lot of truth to that. And I think when you get in these situations, it just sends huge alarms through the front office because it's like, well, this guy's an awesome player. And if he's fully healthy, he's a no-brainer guy in this draft to take really, really high. And if we were the Titans, if we're the Browns, if we're the Giants, if we're the Patriots, like all those teams are very, very interested in this guy.

But to get to the bottom of like, what is the state of his health? And you're not, listen, I have a lot of respect for Drew Rosenhouse, but his job is plain, simple, period, point blank, end of story to figure out a way to make this stuff go away and make you think that it's not a big issue and make this almost feel like an afterthought. Because whether his foot is healthy, whether it's going to be an issue this fall, that's not his problem.

His one prerogative and objective as the guy's agent is to get this guy selected as high as humanly possible to make them as much money as possible. And I think it puts these people in tough positions. And now you just have to get to the bottom of like what is going on. And we see a lot of times, I think I've given this example before. But I remember when the Raiders would have been like 2015 maybe, they were basically deciding between Amari Cooper and Leonard Williams. And they ultimately went with Amari Cooper because they weren't sure about Leonard Williams

shoulder and there were a lot of question marks whether he would need surgery. And obviously we're a decade later, I mean, currently today, you would rather have Leonard Williams on your team than a Mari Cooper. But that scares front offices because they don't have medical degrees. They know how to scout players and they know how to, you know, talk about football players and people. But when it comes to the medical stuff, it's just out of their hands. And this goes back to Nick Sabin.

And I'm not acting like this guy's going to plummet or fall in the draft, but these are just issues that, I mean, in a perfect world, if you're Abdul Carter and your Rosenhausen house, don't exist. But when they do, they just set off alarms. The other thing that at least set off an alarm for me was Ash and Jenties Pro Day was yesterday. So I immediately, I see on social media that he's working out shirtless and he looks like a brick shit house. I mean, he looks fantastic. And I text a buddy that I knew was there. And I said, well, what did he run? And he's like, well, he didn't run. And I'm like, well, he didn't run at the combine either. And he's like, yeah, he's just not going to run. I'm like,

what do you mean? He's not going to run. And listen, I would say Ash and Genty, unlike Abdul Carter, because he's healthy, is like universally like stamp of approval in scouting circles. Extremely well-liked. I think you would be hard pressed. And people think I'm being critical because I keep bringing up that he's 5'8. I've never disputed that he's an awesome player. Like, you're not going to find people around the NFL that don't think very, very highly of this guy. The person and definitely the player. And he's like, well, he's not going to run. He's just not going to run?

He's like, yeah, just not going to run. And basically the way it was described to me was it's not worth him running a four, five, two and falling in the draft. And for him, falling in the draft would all of a sudden be going instead of seventh or ninth or twelfth, or 10th or wherever, you know, pretty high to maybe like late teams. And that's what can happen because we talk about all the time, these measurables and these check marks before the draft, don't determine if you're going to go to the Hall of Fame once you get to the NFL or become a four-time pro bowler or be a bust.

But they do help determine your draft stock. We have seen time and time again, wide receivers who are excellent players, run a slow 40 guys that were like, this guy's a first round player and all of a sudden go pick 48, all of a sudden fall to the third round. Two guys come to mind.

Devante Adams did not run very fast, fell to the middle of the second round. Keenan Allen ran really slow, fell to the third round. So like running times as a skill guy, regardless of how great your tape is, can really hurt you. So Ashton Genty is just not going to run.

Now, when I watched Ashton Jentie, denty play. I would say high-end speed. I don't think he's Adrian Peterson. You know, Jamir Gibbs was a guy a couple years ago who ran a 4-3-6. I don't think he's doing that. But I do understand if like, yeah, I might on a good day run a 4-4-7, but I also might run a 45-2. And given that my measurables aren't elite in terms of height, it could cost me millions of dollars. And the one thing that I heard about the workout is like, well, the workout was elite. So, listen, I get it. You make business decisions, but I saw my guy, I don't say he's my guy. Fuck, he won't text me back. But an old friend and colleague of mine,

Louis Riddick, called him a home run hitter. And I think home, when I think home run hitters, I think guys that would never shy away from the 40. You know, I think one of Lamar Jackson's poor decisions before the draft, now it ultimately worked out because, he went to a great team, but everyone knew Lamarck was going to fly. And if he would have ran the 40, like, what would we guess Lamar Jackson as a 21-year-old coming out of college

would have ran the 40? 438, 4-4-0. Like, it would have been really, really fast. And he refused to do it. Now, I think the reason he did was because Bill Polian said he was a wide receiver, and it was like a double middle finger of like, I'm not showing everyone how

fast I am, they're going to move me to wide receiver, even though that was never going to happen. but fast guys usually run why because they're fast and I'm not saying this guy's slow but it would give me a little pause now part of having a great running back in the NFL you don't need like Seguan Barclay is pretty special

he has elite high end speed Adrian Peterson outlier had elite high end speed you can be a great running back I mean a high end pro bowl guy just stud on my team for multiple contracts and not be that fast. I don't think Frank Gore had ACLs. I don't think Frank Gore would have broke 4-7 in the 40.

It didn't matter. He was an awesome player. I'm not depending on you to run 50 yards consistently in the NFL. If you're getting 10, 15, 20-yard runs, that's great. So, like, I'm not saying it bothered me, but it definitely was something that kind of stood out, not running the 40. And listen, John Spitech, I was told was there. And that was always, you know, Lombardi.

used to talk about this back in his podcast days before he got with Belichick at UNC is like Al Davis not in a million years would have taken a guy that didn't run a 40. I mean, the whole thing with the Raiders was speed. So it'll be interesting if it just people are just completely unfazed and he definitely benefits from the draft class. But you got Abdul Carter with shoulder and foot and you have Ashen Genty not running the 40. So these are just things that like in these. draft meetings, this is what you talk about.

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