The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of The Week: Watson was a mistake, Jerry Jones on Parsons, Geno got paid

Episode Date: April 6, 2025

This week on the podcast John discussed a bunch of the news that came out of the owners meetings starting with the Browns owners publicly saying that Watson has been a huge mistake, Jerry Jones on why he hasn't paid Parsons, and Geno Smith getting a contract extension. All that and more!   Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, owners don't talk very often and rightfully so. If I owned a team, I would not take the Jerry Jones approach. I would only speak when it was kind of mandated that I speak, like at these owners meetings when you really can't hide. Or after a monumental decision for the organization, a hiring of a coach, a firing of a coach, even a big signing of a player. Ultimately, that's why I pay my GM and the head coach millions of dollars.

And I gave Jimmy Haslam credit when Miles Garrett demanded, did his trade and who's represented by Clutch and Rich Paul and they wanted a one-on-one meeting with Jimmy Haslam. Jimmy Haslam simply told him, meet with my GM. He's in charge. Now, ultimately, in a weird way, it all kind of work because Miles Garrett got a historic contract. But I do think for a guy that has, you know, a pass that's more than questionable with Flying

Jay and the trucking company, who's had a disastrous ownership, there is no. disputing that no owner has spent more actual cash than Jimmy Haslam over these last four years. You know, now, clearly that hasn't equated into dominating the NFL, but it's not from a lack of cutting checks. He is doing things that a lot of teams take a lot of shit in this league. Hell, Jerry Jones, who is an extremely wealthy man, is often criticized for sneaky e-pay some of his top guys, but not spending as much cash as other owners. and Jimmy Haslam spares no expense when it comes to his football team, specifically the players.

Now, I remember reading an article within the last month or maybe within the last couple months that said you can't always buy your way to championships. Obviously, culture, the right coaching, the right players, who you're actually paying really matters. So there are a lot of variables to this. But, you know, it's pretty rare that you get a microphone in front of an owner, a guy that you have on your current. team who you are paying a lot of money, even if it is an epic all-time disaster, that you get

them to be honest, that you get them to be candid. Because let's face it, you know, we use the term coach speak a lot when coaches just basically say nothing, yet they're talking a lot. It's like, he just talked for 15 minutes. I don't think he said anything of value. And they're good at it. And I don't ever blame them for doing it. And owners and GMs do the same thing. Jimmy Haslam came out today and said, in regards to Deshawn Watson, quote, it was a big swing and a miss. I was like,

damn. Even though every human alive, whether you're in Cleveland, Ohio, whether you're in Scottsdale, Arizona, whether you are in Dubai, if you fall football, you know that Deshawn Watson trade contract has been

an all-time disaster. But usually they just give you a BS. Listen, we're going to keep trying to add to the football team. Deshawn's doing everything possible to rehab and get his Achilles right and, you know, he has the right attitude and just all the BS cliche stuff is typically what I would have expected if you told me Jimmy Haslam today at the owner's meetings is going to be asked about Deshawn Watson. I would not have expected this. And you know what? We have to acknowledge because I think with this, Deshaun Watson will never play another game for the Cleveland Browns.

his career for the Cleveland Browns is over. Because I don't think you say a comment like this without basically acknowledging like, this thing is a wrap. Obviously, we can't cut him because it accelerates the contract, but he's got a torn Achilles. We never plan on making him our quarterback again. And the 90 million plus we owe him,

we will pay over the life of the next couple years, and it is what it is. And over the next couple years, he will be, I'm sure, released from the Cleveland Browns, whether that's 26 or 27, I'd even go as far to say, I don't think Deshaun Watson will ever play in the NFL again. And if you've listened to me long enough,

you know, I'm not some moral high horse guy when it comes to the private sector, whether that's whatever industry you work in, specifically, obviously I talk a lot about the NFL. Like, the job of an NFL GM and an NFL head coach is not to teach society life lessons. There have been a lot of bad guys. questionable characters who have played a lot in the NFL.

Why? Because they could play. And that is the job of a team to get the best players possible that gives you the best chance to win. But the moment you can't play, and DeShan's clearly proven the last couple of years, he can no longer play at a high level. Honestly, he's awful. Like he's objectively one of the worst players,

his time in Cleveland that we've seen in the NFL for decades. Now you factor in extensive injury. history, shoulder, Achilles, then you factor in the baggage off the field. I don't think he ever gets signed in the NFL again. Because if he had been a high-level player and became available, you would be naive and ignorant to think a lot of teams wouldn't line up to acquire a quarterback, right? That's why the Cleveland Browns gave him $230 million, because they thought they were getting a star player from Houston.

All the stuff off the field was being discussed. was out there, didn't matter. They didn't care. And then Deshawn's like, I'm not going to Cleveland. And they said, what will it cost you? And they gave him the contract terms, and Jimmy Haslam gave it to him. But the reason this contract has been a disaster,

he's awful. And now he's injured. And now to the rest of the NFL, I think he's untouchable. When you factor in just the toxic nature of his name, you just say Deshawn Watson, an NFL fan goes, but he can't play.

it's the reason a lot of guys with questionable off-the-field situations, whether they are guilty in the court of law or not, that's not the NFL's job. This isn't the Justice Department. Honestly, if you are a free man walking, they don't give a shit if they think you're a high-level player. It's been proven over and over and over, and it will continue to be proven over and over moving forward.

If you are a high, impactful, talented guy, you are going to get countless shots. Deshawn Watson no longer is. And when I think you factor in the baggage and the toxicity that he brings moving forward, I think his NFL career is done. And I don't throw that out lightly. Like I said, zero moral stance coming here.

It's just simple of like his production to baggage talent rate is all out of whack. And there's going to be no way to prove it because clearly he's never playing another snap for Cleveland. So I think we have seen the end of Sean Watson. You know, when you get older, I turned 40 a couple months ago, you start, I don't want to say you go through a midlife crisis, but over the course of your late 30s, at anyone listening to this that's older than me, you start comparing life moments to like when individuals die. or when you start seeing someone, their child is 25 and in the NFL or in the NBA. Hell, I was watching the Final Four and watching Jace Richardson, Jason Richardson's son, star for Michigan State.

I remember being at a Kings game sneaking up to basically courtside, a couple rows behind with my buddy Mike Ewing that I grew up with, watching a Warriors Kings game, and Jason Richardson, who at the time, felt like he was a first or second year player. I was in high school and him doing a breakaway 360. And I'm watching a son. It's like, God, I feel old. And part of life is aging. And as you get older, these people that have been in your life kind of come down the home stretch. And if you love sports, especially where I grew up, 49ers and Cowboys were a really big deal.

And Jerry Jones has been in my life, like most people that follow football, for a long time now. And I watched a clip of the kind of quote that went viral, that discussing Micah Parsons. And, you know, the main part of the quote was like, I'd rather pay more and get it right, which I want to dive into that quote. But watching Jerry is like, God, he's aging. And he's aging. Of course, he's in his 80s. And I think the Cowboys write. now. It's just going to be a weird little stretch in Jerry's older years. There is no disputing.

It's not apples to apples. But there does feel a little bit like Al Davis, Jerry Jones, two of the biggest names in the history of the league, guys that own the team and ran the team. The end got a little weird. And that's what it feels like right now with Jerry. Even if you listen to him talk and go, yeah, I'm just going right to Micah Parsons. I'm the guy cutting the check. He's the guy that has to accept the deal. Why am I wasting time talking to anyone else? That's not that abnormal. It feels kind of weird because Jerry's saying it. T.J. Watt did this a couple years ago when he held in and went right to Art Rooney's office. Last year when the negotiations were going on with Brandon Ayuk, it was constantly Kyle, John, and Brandon Iuk dealing with each other

on top of the agent. Now, when you make the quote, I'd rather pay more and get it right. I think there's a lot of validity to that statement in any walk of life. You were better off paying a little bit more and being happy with your purchase. I mean, think how many things in life that if you go cheap on end up costing you more money in the long run. It happens constantly with, you know, purchases under $100 to purchases like cars and homes that you're like, God damn, I should not have done this. And it backfires. I would say Jerry has a point. when you'd rather pay more and get it right when it comes to free agents, right? When you are shopping with NFL free agents, you would rather pay a guy $20 million a year

and feel very good about him either being a pro ball player, a high-end starter, and feeling good about it, even if you are making him the highest paid player at his position, then pay an average guy $16 million a year and go, we're just feeling a need here. I'm not comfortable with it. Totally understand that. And I completely agree. But when you are extending your own players, especially superstar players,

who are going to make an astronomical amount of money, the Miles Garrets, the Justin Jeffersons, obviously the quarterbacks, a guy like Micah Parsons, the difference of $10, 15 million on the total guarantee could be the difference of an extra starter or two. So when Jerry, the last couple deals he's had with C.D. Lamb with Dak Prescott has cost him starting players.

They don't have the wiggle room because of the way that he does deals. And then his arch rival, the Eagles, are known for doing deals early and saving money over the course of a couple seasons. Like, it's not like the Eagles don't have a lot of high-priced players. They've extended a lot of them early. It saved them money a year or two later, and it enables them to basically have an offense that has like nine of their 11 starters are maxed players. And the Cowboys, like, well, we can only have three max players

on the whole fucking team. Like, that's not normal. Like, that's just bad business. And I would imagine, you know, Stevens in a tough spot. I've always, I've never met him, but I've known people that have negotiated with him, not even for player stuff.

but in other walks of life that speak really highly of them. And they say he's a pretty level-headed guy to do business with. I think sometimes when you're 80-plus years old, you are as rich as a guy like Jerry, and this would be true in any walk of life. You know, it's hard to maintain your fastball. Usually the guy that throws 100 miles an hour at 28 at 30 years old is not doing it at 45 years old.

Dan Marino can throw a tight spiral, but his arm strength probably isn't the same at 60 years old. And you're watching Jerry now, one of the true mavericks and great businessmen in the history of the NFL. It has been a huge part of the growth and the explosion of the marketing and the popularity of football in terms of the mindset on the business side of the league office. He deserves a lot of credit for that. But the guy we're seeing now, and it pains me to say this, feels like a shell of himself. and, you know, it goes with the Brian Schottenheimer hire. It's just a bizarre place right now.

And ultimately, he'll pay Michael Parsons and he'll give him $150 million guaranteed, where, you know, if he would have done this early, he probably could have got him for 20% cheaper. But that's not the way Jerry does business. And then he'll just complain, like, we got three guys making max money. And it's like, yeah, probably could have saved on all three of them. And they still could have been incredibly wealthy and you would have had a better team. but that's not what happens when you got a guy like Jerry running the team as a GM in his 80s.

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Anything in life? You know, when you enter a company, people look at you. If you start as an intern, sometimes it's hard to shake the way they look at you, even if you've inevitably been there for a while. And I think that happens with quarterbacks. Once you become the backup quarterback, it is very hard to ever be viewed as this guy can be my starting quarterback. Usually, you need something extreme to happen. And that happened to Gino Smith, when John Schneider traded Russell Wilson to the Denver Broncos. And it by far is not only the

best thing that ever happened to him on the field, because he got a chance to play and he proved that he was a good player. But financially, I don't know if we've ever seen anything like this. I looked it up today Gino Smith who, let's face it, after a year or two early on in his career, was just viewed as a guy that was going to struggle to hold on. And then he kind of had developed himself as a backup quarterback. And I was guilty of this.

I just assumed Gino Smith, the rest of his life, was going to be a backup quarterback. And as of 2021, you know, Gino was not a high draft pick. He was drafted in the second round. Had made $10 million. Now, for 99.9% of 30-year-olds already accumulating $10 million in the workforce.

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I looked it up today. He is on pace. Now, with this new contract extension from the Raiders, that guarantees him over $65 million. Minimum. That assumes that, like, he plays bad. They cut him. them. They only have to pay him the true guarantees. He's going to make well over $125 million.

In 2021, he had a career earnings of $10 million. And by 2007, he will have 12.5x that minimum. There's a decent chance he'll be at $140 or $150 million. So not only is this guy an incredible story. He got his opportunity. He made the most of it. He became, which is pretty crazy, if I would have told anyone, would you have bet that Gino Smith over the next five years would be a dramatically better player than Russell Wilson? There would have been 100% universal agreement, no chance. And I don't think not only is he a better player than Russell Wilson, every team in the league today would take Gino Smith over Russell Wilson. And did not see that coming. But John Snyder, Pete Carroll benefited from that.

Now Pete Carroll back with the Raiders. they make a trade for them. They have a pretty highly paid. He's better than a quote unquote bridge quarterback, but he's definitely just holding the fort down until you find a younger player. But he does allow you to not force a pick. And if Shador Sanders is there at pick six,

which who knows, you could convince me that he's gone at two. You could convince me that he doesn't even get drafted in the top 10. It's what makes the draft fascinating most years is we don't have any clue how, it's going to play out. But I think it's fair to say that more, like if I was a betting man, the Raiders are not going to take a quarterback in the top 10. Doesn't mean they won't. They still can. You easily could pull the trigger. How Pete Carroll did this once upon a time when he signed Matt Flynn and took Russell Wilson in the third round. Now, I do think they'd be more inclined to take a guy

on the second day, you know, where, you know, hell, John Spitech, the Raiders GM, when he was in Tampa, last two quarterbacks, you know, one, honestly, the guy they first drafted was James Winston, that blew up in their face. And then, you know, found Tom Brady just as a free agent and have to give up a draft pick. And then they found Baker Mayfield for $4 million enough to give up a draft pick. So I do wonder if they're going to overextend themselves if they are on the fence, assuming Shador Sanders is there. And now this allows them to, you know, take another position if they want. Not that we didn't know this was coming, because when they made the trade for Gino Smith. It was well reported that they're going to extend them. And they

did. And now Gino Smith went from $10 million to a career earnings potentially at $130, $140 million when his career's all over. Just an incredible football story, an incredible business story. I mean, if he was a stock and you would have invested in him in 2021, you would have had pretty incredible returns. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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