The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Best of - Tom Brady's Roast, NFL schedule release, NBA vs NFL

Episode Date: May 11, 2024

This week on the podcast John reacted to Tom Brady's roast on Netflix and how it was surprisingly a massive success (4:10), how the NFL schedule release is a primetime event (18:08), Austin Rivers' comments about how NBA players could play in the NFL (20:28), and how Tiger Woods' clothing line will likely not have nearly the same draw as it did when he was with Nike (33:53). #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Like honestly, I'm probably not going to watch because my expectations were low. I think it would probably be pretty cringy. I was not expecting a NC-17 version of what I want in a roast. And I didn't start it when it started live. But I'm cooking some steaks, made some nachos in the air fryer, highly recommend for Cinco Day Mayo. And I'm out by the barbecue, getting the meat ready.

And I'm just kind of scrolling on Twitter. And I'm seeing all the clips from Edelman, from Belichick, from Kevin Hart. I'm like, God, they're kind of letting it rip. So when I got into bed, give or take about 9 o'clock, I'm an old man, I know. I turned that thing on. Now, it's long. No spoilers here, because it just came out. And I know a lot of people just, this isn't 1998.

We're not all watching the same thing at time. But it's three hours long. and I ended up going to bed probably like 1145. I fast forward through a couple things. I knew Affleck, according to the internet, wasn't that good. But I'm telling you, I was blown away. I laughed out loud constantly. And like I said, my expectations couldn't have been higher.

Because if you told me something like this was going to happen with someone of Brady stature, I would expect it to kind of be closer to PG than ever. X-rated. And I got news for you. This thing is basically, this is not for kids. So if you have an eight-year-old, a 10-year-old, you know, when I was 10 or 12, I would have found a way to watch it. But I know a lot of people, a lot of swearing, a lot of vulgar stuff, which is what I want in one of these events. And here's where I give Brady credit. Now, we'll get into why he did it. So ultimately, you're doing it for money. But he's already insanely wealthy. Can you imagine,

Let's think of a couple other athletes that are his fame, if not more famous, right? Tiger Woods or LeBron James. There's no amount of money you could pay those guys to do what Tom Brady just did. Zero. It would not happen. Obviously, Tiger would never even think about it because the roast would be so incredible, but he would never do it. And for Tom, whose image, and I go on Gottlieb show,

he does a radio show for Fox Sports, I go on every Tuesday And I think last week we talked about it Like What's the point of this? And he had a theory That Tom's trying to kind of change his image Because there was a huge negative image

At the end of his New England run Right? He was kind of a villain A lot of people didn't like him I guess I never really felt that way I guess if you were a Jets fan Or a Dolphins fan or a Chiefs fan

Or a football fan You rooted against him But I've never met anyone That's like Tom Brady's a scum back, you've literally never heard one teammate, not one teammate that he's ever played with, say a bad word about the guy. Not one. It's never, I've never heard it. Obviously him and Bill butted heads, but as a human being, like, people love the guy. He's got this weird way of

being this super famous, super rich, super accomplished guy, but kind of relating with practice squad guys, relating with random players, let alone his star group of players. And when he did this, and they were just letting it fly from the jump, talking a ton about Giselle and the karate kid that she's now dating, I was blown away. It was excellent. It's one of the most shocked. Like sometimes you turn on a show,

because if you read about it and then it's really good, like this show, I think it's called like Reindeer Man or something. Pretty good show. Pretty entertaining. But I didn't have necessarily any expectations besides, yeah, it was kind of crazy. This, my expectations couldn't have been any lower. because my expectations of these super famous guys, they love to control the message,

and it can be really cringe, and it just can get really weird. And that wasn't this way at all. They came out of the gates swinging. So props to Netflix, who obviously has business, you know, they have a dog in this fight. All the comedians that were there,

I'm sure they're all intertwined, doing specials on the platform. So this is good business. But to get him, no matter how much money you are paying them to give the thumbs up, a lot of credit. Because I think what we want,

what is really in, I listen to some of the Eddie Vedder interview with Simmons, Pearl Jam, lead singer. And I think, and listen, I'm a sucker. Like, the most,

I would say the genres of music, I'm a music guy, like I listen to everything. But I would say the things I most consistently listen to would be like 90s music in general, but specifically, like grunge rock and country music.

I would say country on the pie charts pretty high. But grunge music is right up there. And there was a raw and realness to that group in that era of music. And I think it really resonated with a lot of people. And I think what's then we got very corporate for a long period of time. And now we're shifting back to the corporate lingo BS. We tune out. We don't watch you.

I'm sure many people have seen some of the stats of some of these legacy media, television, newspapers, they're in the tank. We just don't really consume them anymore. And some of these unfiltered, answer-to-nobody, independent, quote-unquote content creators, that could be Rogan, that could be whoever, crush. I mean dominate. I'm in the golf world.

I love golf. Do you know who dominates in the golf world? Independent YouTube creators. They get more people to watch their stuff and they can do whatever the hell they want. They shoot their own videos, put it up, them playing golf, and they get more people to watch than PGA Tour tournaments. You know why?

Because we like people that we think are being real. And that's what that was last night. It was a lot of stuff that was real, and they were letting it fly. And it got a little weird at times. Now, what's not real is, you know, what's weird about Tom is clearly has fake hair. He's got some work done. Same with Affleck. Yet he still feels in a weird way kind of relatable.

for being a guy with hundreds of millions of dollars, married to a supermodel for everyone, forever looks kind of fake now. It's like, God, Tom's seems pretty cool. Even in a weird way, like he obviously does some weird stuff with his health. How do you blame him, though? It worked. He played until he was 45. You won a Super Bowl at 42, 43 years old.

But I can't recommend it enough. And I would have thought a week ago, if I was, one, I wouldn't have watched, and two that I would ever have given it like two thumbs up. no chance couldn't have seen it and I like I like raw I like things that make people uncomfortable and that's what good comedy is

you should be like damn and there was a lot of that so excellent production now here's the question I have why would Tom do it and one constant joke is the crypto scam he lost you know they say 30 million

if they're saying 30 million shit it might have been 50 million if I had to take an educated guess I don't exactly, I've never done a Netflix special. How much Netflix paid them? I don't know if they do it over how many people watch, how many people subscribe, if it's a flat rate. My guess would be, that number is way higher than you imagine. My guess would be closer to 50 million than like 10 million.

I would be stunned if over the course of a week, I mean, tens of millions of people don't watch that show. If you told me that over a month span, 100 million people watch, I'd believe you. At least bits and pieces of it. Like, that's what I would expect. Tom Brady's trying to buy a piece of the Raiders. He already did. And then the NFL said, no, you can't buy it at that price. Why? Because the NFL didn't want Mark Davis to sell him while it's a tiny piece of the team, whatever percentage it ends up being 1%, 2%, 5%, at a discounted rate. we're not into diluting our assets. So if your franchise is valued,

let's just pick a number, you say $5 billion, Mark Davis could easily sell it for more than that. Let's say five. Whatever the percent he is buying that, it's based off that number. You can't just say, hey, we'll give you a couple percent,

give us $30 million. And the value of these teams, as we'll talk about Stephen Ross, is astronomical. Well, just because you're super rich, doesn't mean you're super liquid. So maybe Tom went, listen, it's going to be uncomfortable. And I bet the one thing that he had to think long and hard of

is they were going to come at him hard for Giselle. And even if he can't stand her anymore, he does have children. And those kids are going to watch that. And that's where it gets weird. Like Tom, and I'm just assuming, does not give a shit what she thinks at this point in time. But he does care deeply about his children.

and what they're going to think about, you know, talking about who her mom's sleeping with, even though Tom probably doesn't even care. I mean, he's got a lot of options. But I wonder if they made that number that, like, okay, now I'm much more liquid to be able to pull this off. Because the NFL pushed back about that initial number, whatever Mark Davis was cool with taking.

And, like, that's not enough money, which I totally understand from the NFL standpoint. We don't give away. I don't care how famous or how cool the guy is. like the number is a number here. We're in the business of boosting these valuations. We all benefit from that. That's my theory,

is that this number that he got last night or we'll get over the course of the next couple months is huge. And instead of having to sell assets or whatever he has to do to liquidate himself, he can just get a large piece of that from this. And we've seen over the years, Netflix throws a lot of money around. and they've gotten much more specific about what they do now than they did seven, eight years ago,

when they just paid and probably wasted money. They had a pretty good idea this was going to work. And they clearly paid a premium for a lot of people. Kevin Hart, Peyton Manning's there, Bill Belichick's there. It was excellent. I mean, the heavy hitters were there. You got Harbaugh, Kyle Shanahan, in attendance, Kardashian. It felt like a big, big event.

And we just don't get those anymore. Now, it's different because when I was a kid, the equivalent of this event never would have looked like this because it would have been on, you know, ABC or CBS and you wouldn't have been able to swear. Which I like this world we live in much more. Like this is how people talk, especially in the football world. So let them, and comedians, let them talk how they're going to talk. And it just goes on Netflix, which last time I checked have hundreds of millions of people that subscribe. I would say Netflix currently is infinitely larger than CBS. ABC, NBC,

more people on a nightly basis click to go to Netflix when they're in their bed or in their living room, then they do those channels now. And obviously those channels still function well with the older demographic,

but when you factor in, the entire population, just domestically, is probably not a fair fight. And that pie chart will only grow and grow for Netflix. So my guess is they paid 100 million plus

just to put this on, pay for everyone to come, and this will help Tom kind of maybe get over the hump and officially become that Raiders minority owner, which will also put an end to his ability to play anymore. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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Isn't it crazy how big the schedule release is? You could argue that the schedule release in the NFL, and the buzz it creates, and the interest that people paying attention, is bigger than any regular season baseball or basketball game. We already know who's playing who. Hell, we even know some of the games. Eagles, Packers, Brazil.

Still, we're just finding out when they play them. When your bye week is, when your Thursday week is, who's playing on Christmas, how many Monday night games you get. But we know, as of today, like we've known for a while, every one of your opponents. Home and away. So it's not like you don't even have the home schedule. You know exactly who you're playing. They just tell you the order. And on what network?

And even that is subject to change. Who's good, who sucks, flex schedules? I would say the schedule release, more than any other thing in the NFL, in the off-season, post-s Super Bowl, is the most symbolic moment of the entire operation's importance. I've never heard of anyone talking about, like, the baseball schedule. My entire life in the off-season.

The NBA schedule? Who discusses this stuff? This is not only a discussion point. Like, it's a really, really big deal. Now, I get it. Football, every game is much more important. Days you play, travel, flying east coast to west coast or west coast to east coast or short weeks or you've got to stay in one area because you got to, you know, you play out if you're a West Coast team, you play Tampa and then you're playing the Panthers the next week. So you're just going to stay at, you know, wherever.

but it's pretty wild the power of just this basic one hour schedules get released, things get leaked. Yeah, it's just kind of leaves me speechless sometimes when I think about it. Austin Rivers, I would say, created a firestorm for former athletes, especially NFL guys, that I felt like were very, very offended. when he said that easily 30 guys in the NBA could play in the NFL tomorrow and no one in the NFL could play in the NBA.

And I would say the best conversation or take I saw of this was Chris Long posted some stuff. He was hot and bothered. And I think he talked to the root of why this conversation is so stupid. Now, I don't think anyone just in the NBA could just start playing in the NBA.

NFL tomorrow, right? I think athletically, clearly I was watching the Sixers with Maxie. What an elite athlete. Or Jalen Brunson's body type. Obviously, athletically, these guys have the ability to be NFL athletes. Some of them are the best athletes in the world. No one argues that. But the culture of football and the culture of NBA in 2024, the gap couldn't be any wider. the NBA I grew up on in the 90s young people loved to talk shit about it it was much more enjoyable why it had a football feel

beside the best of the best most guys were not on scholarship there was an edge in a fight to the players because the contracts weren't nearly what they are right now and you could be replaced at a moment's notice and a lot like football because in the 90s

just the rehab of injuries is nowhere near what it is now, major injuries would derail your career and you're never the same and you're out of the league. But when I look at the NFL and just football in general, I'll never forget when I became a graduate assistant at Fresno State.

And this was before the new CBA in 2011 and college football basically followed suit and double days don't exist. For about three straight weeks at Fresno State under Pat Hill, whose career really took off when he started working for Bill Belichick, in Cleveland because he was the assistant offensive line coach under Kirk Forens.

He ran a very old school 1980s, 1990s operation for three straight weeks, double days. In Fresno, California, in the summer, in August, one, the air is awful, and two, it's about 108 to 110 degrees. And I'll never forget, like the first couple days in pads, we ran inside run or nine on seven where you get seven defenders, the four defensive linemen, and the three linebackers, against nine guys on offense. One, obviously, being the quarterback,

and whether you put on a full back there or a tied end and the five offensive linemen. And it is just either off tackle or inside the guard or center runs. It is a drill that separates the men from the boys. And I just remember watching going, no wonder most people in high school can't make it to this level. One, I mean, the size of the, these guys, even at Fresno State, and this ain't Alabama or USC, but the physicality, the speed,

and the violence. And I was like, Jesus. And then when I got to the NFL, my first year was before they changed the rules. We did double days what felt like at Lehigh under Andy Reed for weeks doing similar stuff inside run drills. I mean, one-on-one gauntlet-like tackling drills. It was goal line drills in training camp that were just felt like people were going to get K-Oed. And there is a physical level to football that just isn't there in basketball. Right. Hockey, football, the UFC, it is predicated on violence, on like legitimate violence.

One guy hitting another guy at high rates of speed. Or enormous human beings tackling guys much smaller than them. Then there's the element, and I thought Chris Long put this very well, whether you go to high school, football, college football, or the NFL, if you go to a practice, these coaches are all over everyone's ass 24-7, 365, especially certain positions. The O-line, D-line, and just defensive guys in general are getting their ass ripped all the time. just because you go to an NFL practice and guys are making millions of dollars, and I've been going to training camps for 15 years, how intense the coaching is. In the NBA, the culture, and even starts in college now with some of these guys cycling out, the coach K's and the behemes all retiring, those days are done.

Tom Izzo is the last of a dying breed. So culturally, the world we live in right now, these guys aren't used to what is mandated in the sport of, you're getting yelled at no matter what. I mean, the dynasty of my life was most notably known for Belichick could get on Tom, no different than he could, the practice squad guy. MFing him all day. That doesn't happen. If that happened in the NBA, the coach would be fired if he MF the wrong guy.

So culturally, the shock would be to a 28-year-old making $28 million in the NBA could never handle that. It would not be allowed. it just, it wouldn't fly. So that would be an impossible transition. And here's the other thing. In training camp, even now there are no double days, but for a month straight, every single day, most guys are getting into the breakfast hall

between 7 and 7.30. And you're not going back to your room. I don't know, depending on the team till 9 at 10 at night. In basketball, you show up for shooting around, you go home, you take a nap, and you come play another game. Training camps barely even exist anymore. They don't practice.

The two sports, in terms of the way they're built, fundamentally couldn't be any more opposite. Now, just pure athleticism, there is no debate that guys in the NBA could play in the NFL. But have we seen forever with the Combine? Just because you're a great athlete, doesn't mean it translates to the sport. Here's the other thing.

When I was working in radio in the Bay Area, I went to a lot of NBA games. I think people underestimate how enormous these individuals are. The average, like, shooting guard and wing in the NBA is like six, six and a half to six nine. Trent Williams is one of the biggest guys in the NFL. He's like six, five. So the size component and the huge part of football is all about leverage, getting low. In the NBA, it's all about playing above the rim.

So the sports are just dramatically different in terms of what is asked But the physicality element and Barclay has said this many times on television Went out for football one day started getting hit nonstop and he quit So to think that these guys that are in the NBA That have never played football Obviously some of these guys that played high school football could have played college football and could have been NFL players But once you get out of the culture of something it's hard to get back into it.

So I think it would be impossible for these guys to, because I think most of them would hate it and quit. Like, wait, my money's not guaranteed. You're screaming at me. Fuck this. I'm going back here where I do whatever I want. Whenever I want. When I say jump, management and the coaches say how high.

In the NFL, it's opposite. When Pat Riley went on this long diatribe the other day about Jimmy Butler, basically like, if he's not playing, he needs to shut up. everyone in the NBA was like, I can't believe, oh my, because no one would say that. That's like a typical Monday after a game week three for 17 NFL teams. So to me, the cultures are so much different, let alone what is asked of you physically. And then the weekly grind, like in the NBA, just get to play.

It's why anyone growing up playing basketball, whether you played in college, high school, whatever, you can play pickup, whatever, you just show up, hoop. The NFL is not a sport where you just show up and play football. You practice like 90% of the time. You spend countless hours in meetings, just watching film, learning, taking notes. I'm telling you, if they were two industries, one would be like tech and one would be like, I don't know, construction or something. They have nothing in common besides athletic people played the two sports. And I just think it was a stupid argument.

If you think, yeah, could a guy just show up and play a game? If put Tyrese maxi out at wide receiver and have him run some go routes, sure. Could he play 17 games? What happens the first time he runs over the middle and someone tackles him hard? And I'm not acting like the guy's not tough, but there's a level of toughness in violence in football, college and pro, that has no similarities to the sport of basketball in 2024. for none absolutely none

so I think this conversation is just it's fun it's enjoyable we all make jokes about it but the world the NBA is living in is a completely different universe that NFL players have to take on and they're used to it you get numb to it it's like anyone that works in any industry

you get used to the quirks the things you like the things you don't like but you know like yeah it's probably not changing much like the NFL's never going to get to a point where O-line coaches aren't yelling at the offensive linemen. Saying mean shit to him, nonstop. Kind of lets it go off your back. The NBA used to be like that. The NBA I grew up on, coaches used to coach him hard.

Phil Jackson was all over Michael Jordan's ass. That would never happen today. The moment you look at me funny or I think you're an idiot, you're fired. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. So this conversation, while fun, is kind of dumb. Because, one, if you're an NBA player, you'd much, rather play. And, you know, if you could do both, what would you choose? You would play in the NBA.

The average salary is $7 million. The overwhelming majority of just decent players get enormous second contracts. And the injury risk, which I've always thought was crazy because of how high these guys are jumping, is much lower. And you have much more power. There's less of you because, like the NFL, you split the revenue with the owners, but there's only 12, 15 guys a team. So that's why these guys get paid more money. Where the NFL you do. you're splitting the revenue up between 53 times 32. And obviously there's two less teams in the NBA. So this conversation to me,

and any NFL guy thinking they can go and drop 30 points, you know, I saw Micah Parsons, they're out of their mind as well. Because if you're 6-2, you're a midget in the NFL or in the NBA. You're tiny. Tiny. Jalen Brunson's small, right? He's 6'1, 6'1, size of the majority of guys at different positions in the NFL. linebacker, corner, wide receiver, running backs,

6-1 or smaller. He feels like one of the smallest guys in the NBA. And I'm watching the OKC Thunder the other night. Every guy they had out there was like 6-6-6-9, and then they had Chet Holmgren who's like 7-1. The size, Draymond Green actually is a very undersized player. He's like 6-5-5-6-6. Clay Thompson is taller.

It's 6-7. So I think we underestimate the size differences, and it's a fun combo, but kind of stupid. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered. conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the I Heartwood. radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking

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And I'll never forget my senior year in college, I was moving out. And all we had was a TV and watching him play rock. on Sunday and then watching on Monday by myself in this house that was empty. He meant a lot to my sports watching youth. I consumed like a lot of people in the 2000s, Eldrick Tiger Woods. I love golf. He's the best golfer I've ever seen and probably ever will see. And there was nothing like him.

And part of Tiger Woods, and I owned a ton of Tiger Woods polos, Tiger Woods hats. Even as I've gotten bald, I've bought some of those Nike Tiger Woods hats because they cover my entire head. Anytime he plays, I watch, even though obviously he's very compromised now. I just think this Sunday red thing is going to be a failure. And I think there are several elements of this. One, he wants it to be kind of like a higher-end luxury brand. So I wrote down the prices. A ballmarker is $50. A t-shirt is 70, a hat's 40, which isn't crazy. A polo is 120 to 150, which I'd say is a lot. A sweater is two bills, and the pants are about a buck 70. It's expensive stuff. Tiger Woods in his heyday sold a lot of shit. I've said forever that he

revolutionized the business casual in America. Because forever people wore weird stuff. There weren't, the polos were huge, even go back to some of the pictures when he first started on tour. And then when they created that dry fit material, all the other companies followed suit, and everyone that worked, you know, a white-collar job that did not rehell. Farmers, I don't care what you did. Construction, you know, if you were a construction management guy, if you didn't wear a suit to work, you could throw on a pair of jeans and a tucked-in polo. That fabric, dry-fit, fit well, everyone was wearing it all over the place. Change the game. But he had two things going for him. One, he was easily, very early on, became one of the most famous athletes in the world

because he was the best player at a sport that is just difficult because you're playing 150 people, and he was beating the shit out of all of them. He destroyed everybody. I mean, it was not a fair fight. And then combined with that, he had the Nike marketing campaign machine behind him. So Tiger didn't really have to sell. He just had to dominate at golf. And he looked so sweet in the clothes.

And the Nike marketing machine was incredible with commercials. It was the ultimate combination of sales. It was like everyone wanted something with Tiger Woods. Even if he didn't play golf, probably had a polo, probably had a hat. You probably had something. And if you went into a store, you knew exactly what that was. The TW, the different colors, the Sunday Red. And then he created this company, Sunday Red,

which, listen, creating a brand from scratch is tough. It's not easy to pick a name. Anyone that's red shoe dog, Nike was kind of randomly picked. It wasn't even supposed to be that name. So it's not some of these things that are created that now have a lot of brand equity. McDonald's was just the last name of the brothers that started the burger chain that Ray Kroc ran into and basically stole the idea from. So I'm not going to hate on Sunday Red,

even though let's face it, it's not that great. I would have just gone with T.W. Here's the problem. Tiger Woods is not a sales guy. I watched some of the clips of him doing his PR campaign last week. One, it made me shake my head. It's not necessarily his fault, but his PR team sent him on what they would have done back in 2005.

Good Morning America. Let's go on some morning show with Carson Daly. Let's go on with Jimmy Fallon. Who are you marketing this to? Let's face it, you're marketing this to someone 35 to 55 with a higher household income with some coin. Those people are not watching any of those shows. My mom watches Good Morning America. A lot of older people watch that show.

But that's not who really Tiger Woods is marketing. He should be marketing this to me. A 40-year-old guy plays golf, has a little coin, just would buy these clothes, potentially. Here's another problem. He's coming into a saturated market. Anyone that walks into a pro shop or a golf shop, there are a million brands that all kind of resonate with us. Travis Matthews, Johnny O, Peter Millar,

and they're not cheap, but they have brand equity that like, yeah, I like the Travis Matthews shirt. It fits pretty well on me. I know a lot of people. I love Peter Millar. I love Johnny O. Buddy of mine, Chris, just got me a nice polo for taking me. for taking him golfing a couple weeks ago.

Johnny O. Looks sweet. So Tiger is competing against those, but those people are already pushing it hard. Selling it. Tigerwood's not a very good salesman. I would have said Tiger. Don't do any of the crap the morning shows or the late night shows.

Go on some big podcasts or some big YouTube show. Go on Pat McAfee. Go on with Colin. Go on No Laying Up or Barstool. Go on part of my take. Go on with... Do something more relevant. To me, it just...

These guys don't know how to sell. He never had to. He never had to sell. All he had to do was play and dominate, and that sold itself. And Nike was behind him. Well, now, he doesn't have Nike behind him anymore. And his number one ability to sell was his play.

Well, he doesn't play anymore. He plays like four times a year. And God love him. He's just not very good anymore, relative to the dominant player that he once was. like MJ hasn't dribble the ball professionally in whatever 20 plus years it doesn't matter he has Nike behind them having that backing they do this naturally so I'm watching Sunday Red one the marketing doesn't really exist because that's not the business he's in

and then Tiger is just to pound the pavement like high noon why is high noon so big now they got with Portnoy and Portnoy starts selling the shit out of it and now it's fucking everywhere you need someone to sell if you don't just have like LeBron James or Kobe Bryant wearing your shoes because that was always Tiger Woods he's just Tiger was wearing it so you wanted to wear it well now I don't care that he wears it

barely break 75 barely can walk 72 holes I'm not trying to talk shit about him it's not necessarily I mean it's kind of his fault of self-inflicted car accident but it changes career so I'm just betting against his company I do not think it's going to work because I'm the type guy who can walk into a store

and if I see a polo I like, regardless, I'm not going to pay $500 for a polo, but if I really believed in the brand, wanted to support it, liked it, I'll spend probably more than I should on a couple of collar shirts. I would not buy these shirts. I don't even think the logo looks that good.

Why would he not just continue somewhat of a similar logo? I've seen a lot of people say the famous fist pump, like Michael's logo is very just, you never forget it. It's etched in stone in our brains. And I think Tiger made a very, very bad mistake.

But I don't even blame him. This is not his business. He does not understand because he's never really had to do it. So I guess I'm just shorting this idea. I do not think it's going to work. And that pains me to say that. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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