The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Bill Belichick's UNC Debut ends in BLOWOUT by TCU, Did the NFL FORCE Dallas to trade Parsons, What's WRONG with Bama

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

John Middlekauff REACTS to UNC Tar Heels head coach Bill Belichick's debut blowout loss to the TCU Horned Frogs to cap off Week 1 of the college football season. John determines that UNC is not talented enough to seriously compete in the ACC and debates if Belichick will have the patience to build this roster where it needs to be through recruiting and the transfer portal. John wraps up by talking about the disadvantages Belichick has in recruiting over the likes of Miami's Mario Cristobal & Clemson's Dabo Swinney in the coming years, and that the talent discrepancy in college football is a much wider gap than it is in the NFL. Later, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 4:52 - Belichick lays an egg 21:12 - Mailbag 23:04 - Was Dallas forced to trade Micah 28:00 - Best way to build a defense 37:45 - What's wrong with Bama Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's having a good morning, a good day. Back to real life, right? We had a long weekend. and no one probably had a longer night than William Belichick who I just watched the game as I'm sure many of you did and he got destroyed

so we're going to react to what we just witnessed with Belichick and the Tar Heels who the game starts you got Jordan in the house you got L.T. in the house you got Roy Williams in the house it's like North Carolina royalty the place is rocking he scores on the first drive and then it is a massacre that was as embarrassing of a loss as I ever remember Bill Belichick having.

I mean, destroyed. So we'll dive into some thoughts there. And, yeah, other than that, we'll do a big mailbag today as well. So we're going to do Belichick, mailbag. At John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in those DMs. We haven't done one here in a while just because how it's broken with the schedule.

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shocking what happened. Bill Belichick, coming to college football, even though he struggled the last couple years, we didn't know exactly how it was going to look, but we didn't expect him to get sliced and diced. Sonny Dykes had TCU looking like the peak

Alabama Crimson Tide under Nick Saban. That was an all-time beatdown. That looked like JV versus varsity. And it kind of made me think, now listen, I started texting people in college football, GMs, personnel people. I said, what do you think of their roster first? And I got a couple people,

and these guys are on top 25 teams that they said, in fairness, when a coach is fired at a Power 4 program, like Mack Brown at UNC, that is going to have some players on the roster, before the next coach is even hired, anyone worth their salt will not only be contacted but potentially be gone. One guy talked to was like, yeah, we immediately stole one of their defensive players.

Another guy, we tried to land a couple of their offensive linemen. They ended up going other places. So before Bill even gets the job, the cupboard is very bare. It's why we've been talking about. They have 70 plus new players. They had 40 plus in the transfer portal. But that was really ugly. And the quarterback situation, that little,

lefty after the first drive was atrocious. Didn't complete a pass for like over an hour of real time. You cannot function with that guy. And then they bring in Max Johnson, who is Bradson, who I didn't even realize, had the Alex Smith situation to his leg, almost lost his leg. Now, it's garbage time, but the ball came out of his hand fast. He just threw it to the right guy. And I went, you know, I've been following Bill's career for a long time. Most of us have. There's a reason he likes quarterback's why he loved Tom early on. Just get rid of the ball and get rid of it to a guy, even if he's four yards away. I don't care if we gain three yards.

Do that instead of hold the ball and run around. Like this guy from South Alabama, now he got hurt in the game, Gio. But if you told me next week, which is in like four or five, they don't play, they don't get a buy here. I mean, they're playing on Sunday on the road, so it's a quick turnaround. But a lot of people have been saying for a while that Bill lost his fastball. that bills over the hill, that bills a shot fighter essentially as a coach. And if you watch tonight, even if we're all on the same page, TCU has a better roster, TCU has a better team. It shouldn't look like that at home where guys have no clue what's going on.

You got guys out of position, you got guys taking bad angles, you got an offense that can't function. But the number one thing that kind of stood out to me, because obviously roster construction is not easy in 2000. 25, especially when you come in a couple weeks after a guy's fired. But the coaching aspect, and this is a knock on bill, that Josh McDaniels, when he was by his side over the last 15 years, they were really, really good. They made the playoffs with Mack Jones. They won a game that I'll never forget on Monday Night Football

where they had like less than five passing attempts. Because Josh, very questionable head coach, more than very questionable, literally been fired from two jobs before making it through year two, which is an NFL record. It's never happened before in the history of the league. When you make him your offensive coordinator, though,

he knows what he's doing. It's why we all expect Drake May, the Patriots, to be successful moving forward because he's very, very good in that role. Well, he left, and Belichick put Patricia on offense, and that was an all-time embarrassment. Then he has Freddie Kitchens as his offensive coordinator.

He's in a conference right now with Davo Sweeney that has Lincoln Riley's brother, that has Mike Norvell, who is an excellent play caller. We just saw him slice and dice Alabama. And Mario Cristobal, who has Shannon Dawson is his offensive coordinator that just coached the number one overall pick Cam Ward last year and had Carson Beck look like an NFL player again. So he's in a conference, which pretty polarizing conference,

because on given years it's been down, looks like after one week, and definitely with the NIL, They're going to be good because they have three coaches that are at three powerhouses that have big budgets and have excellent rosters. So he's in a conference with guys. I mean, Dabo's been coaching in college forever. Same thing with Mario. And same thing with Mike Norvelle. These guys aren't pro guys going back and forth.

These are college lifers. Mario's an elite recruiter. Dabo's an elite recruiter. And clearly Mike Norvel, when he hits right, he's excellent in the transfer portal. Meanwhile, you got Belichick on the pregame. And listen, I respect being authentic and being yourself. I try to be very cognizant of that. Just be who you are.

Like, you got nothing to hide. Just be who you are. And I respect anyone in any line of work in any industry who is true to themselves. So there's a level of, like, admiration that Belichick just doesn't break character. He's still that grumpy old, just miserable SOB. And Holly Rose interviewing him before the game. It's college football. This isn't the Patriots

versus the Jets or the Patriots first the Broncos is college football bro. You got to lighten up a little bit. And he couldn't do it. He could not do it. And it's like, I just don't think this whole thing is going to happen. Obviously this year is going to be tough. Safe to say their team's probably not going to be that good.

And unlike, and Sunny Dykes was asked about this because if you remember, Colorado made their debut against TCU and beat him in this epic game on Fox. And in Colorado, even though, that first year, they didn't even make a bowl game. They didn't have an above 500 record. And last year, they played in a ton of marquee primetime games. They did big television ratings. Well, they had an NFL quarterback, and they had the Heisman trophy winner. Belichick's team is a snooze fest. You know, and there were stories before the season that, you know, UNC,

potentially was going to get a lot of prime time games, the primetime effect, that they were going to do big ratings. I'll promise you this. I don't care. The NFL, college football, if your Quarterback plays bad. If your team's boring, we're not going to watch. That's a tried and true formula. I'll use this as an example. The Giants, they're a massive brand. And when they're good, a ton of people watch them.

But over the last decade, when they've had such shitty quarterback play, they're not getting marquey games. Why? Because the consumer doesn't want to watch that. And I watched UNC today. I'm like, I would move them into slots with a bunch of other games because until they prove they have some sort of entertainment factor, that's unwatchable product.

and it gets back to Freddie Kitchens like you take this job you get $10 million a year your GM was getting a $1.5 million and I'm a big Mike Lombardi guy but you would think one thing Bill would need like obviously the defense was atrocious tonight.

The one thing we all know Bill knows his son knows like the defense they know what they're doing on that side of the ball. It might not work this year because they don't have the players but like that if he stays there three or four years which is definitely up for debate I mean, there was a point like 15 minutes into this game where you went,

is he going to quit after one year? Is he really going to want to do this? I know he loves coaching, but this is to get, just get his curb stomp by TCUs and Clemsons and Florida States. He's really going to do this? That crossed my mind. And then the other thing was, Freddie Kitchens to be your offensive coordinator. Now, I'm not saying you would have the pick of the litter, but college football, like, unlike the NFL, if you have a good offensive coordinator, right?

that's not your head coach, but guys working under you. I can't steal you from the program. So if Sean McVeigh is a bad example because he calls the plays. But let's say Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith, and let's say the Pittsburgh Steelers have a fantastic year this year. It's like Arthur Smith kind of got his swag back. And Pittsburgh wins 11, 12 games, Aaron Rogers throws 40 touchdowns. People are like, Arthur Smith!

No other team could steal him for their offensive coordinator in the pros. In college, it literally happens all the time. Ohio State won the national championship. Last year, won the national championship. Penn State stole their defensive coordinator. So when I look at college, I go, Bill, you could have hired all these people. And listen, Freddie seems like a nice guy. I'm not even advocating, you should have fired him.

But put him as your tiny end coach. Have him work with the offensive lineman. I don't care. He cannot be calling your plays. That's the best you could do is Freddy Kitchens? I'm kind of baffled by that, but I shouldn't. be because we've just seen previous years. When Josh left, he was kind of scrambling.

Maybe this is the thing that Collins been saying for a long time. He doesn't really know offense. And he got by for a long period of time with Tom and Josh operating it, especially the modern day offense. So one thing you say about Nick's Avin. He did two things extremely well. And I'm not comparing Alabama and North

Carolina, but he really valued the play caller on offense. The defensive play caller changed a little bit, but like that's his baby. Nick defense is what he knows, just like Bill. But the play caller in the quarterback, and in fairness, the quarterback, like they were in a weird spot, still watching that guy play, that's who you valued? I just think this college experiment, which again, I was, I don't want to say bullish on, but

did not think it was going to look like that. Because I said, you know what, he's too good of an ex-nose coach. He's too good with strategy. But in college, unlike the pros, the discrepancy of talent can make a big difference. there's a reason we watched Texas, Ohio State, or Clemson and LSU, and they kind of look like equals,

because they got elite players. Well, if you play Texas and they play San Jose next week, or like when Michigan plays New Mexico, there's a giant gap. And unless you have Bill Walsh and Vince Lombardi walking through that door, even if they are coaching you,

you're still going to lose by 15 points. And so one thing, recruiting, obviously the NIL has changed the game, but Bill's personality, and you can tell me all you want that, like, you know, kids and the interviews, like, it's not that big a deal. You would think he would lighten up a little bit and just show a little bit different personality.

Listen, the best college coach of all time isn't exactly known as Mr. Smiley, right? He's not happy all the time, Nick Saban. But one thing Nick was really good at when the lights were on, and he had a microphone in front of his face, whether it was a pregame interview, whether it's a next day, interview during the week. He was just pretty entertaining's the wrong word, but you just kind of gravitated toward him. It was like, God, there's something about, it's like he had, I don't even want to say, like there was just something to him, like a little it factor to him. Bill has just, just gave off miserable vibes. It's like, Bill, do you want to jump off a bridge right now? Because that's the

vibes you're given on the TV. And guess who's watching this? A lot of 17-year-old kids, a lot of kids on other programs that played this weekend that will be in the transfer portal in three months. And you're going to call them. They go, I don't want to play for that miserable guy? It's like, I get you won all these Super Bowls, but it's been a little while since you were good. And Mario Cristobal's on the phone. And Davos Sweeney's on the phone. And Brian Kelly's on the phone. And that's the one advantage. Like, there is a big gap between college and pro in terms of that element of it, which Belichick never cared about. It's why they say that this is why we're interested because it's kind of like pro football. It's not.

like pro football at all in the sense of if this was the NFL Belichick would cut like seven guys tomorrow they would be cut waved demoted send to practice squad you can't you can't do that like his roster's his roster there's no waiver wire he can't claim guys on another team to bring to the team this upcoming week or this upcoming month so I listen I'm not going to act like his career didn't happen and he's some village idiot he's one of the best coaches I'd argue the best coach that I ever saw, saw many enormous games. But whatever has happened in past, like,

once Tom left, moving forward, I think it is fair to go, yeah, this might never be the same. And this could be, and there were people saying this, not me, that this could be an epic train wreck. And I'm not going to let what in game define that, but if you said, hey, you got to bet money, train wreck or gets it turned around.

I don't know how you'd bet not on the train wreck, right? You talk about a guy in his mid-seventh, this never coached in this environment, that's in the conference with a bunch of recruiters at big time programs, even if their schedule's a little bit easier. I mean, I watch Cal with Justin Wilcox and this quarterback they got from Hawaii sling it all over the yard. It's like Bill's going to go out to California and beat those guys with that offensive defense. So it's like, I don't think you can beat Cal, let alone like Clemson.

So you just got a lot of hells on the schedule. That was, Arch was disappointing. Like it was like, God, this is, what is happening right now? Did the hype, did the noise kind of cloud us all? Is this guy should, was it unfair? Like, what's happening? That's what I kept thinking watching Arch Manning. Tonight just went, this is sad.

This is, this is pretty sad. But haven't we been saying that about like Jerry Jones at the end with the Cowboys? Doesn't that usually happen with, uh, with older guys? in competitive professions because it's still as hard but it's hard or to be as locked in when you're in your 70s

you've never worked in this environment in the sense of the college landscape and Sonny Dykes just beats a living shit out of you in front of probably 10 million people and Michael Jordan doesn't even make it till halftime so pretty sad Bill Belichick experience

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Okay, let's do a little mailback. At John Middellcoff is the Instagram fire. in those DMs, get your questions answered here on the show. If you're watching on YouTube, you're probably wondering, John, why are you wearing a cowboy hat? And the answer is simple. A little behind the curtains, the way I do these mailbags, is I go on Instagram and I take screenshots

because it's much easier to go through the questions in my photos than it is to try to scroll on Instagram. Things change. It's just, it's not an easy process. Early on, I used Instagram and would just scroll through. It was a debacle. It's much easier the way I do it. Now, when I take pictures, I can see the questions.

So I have a pretty good idea that I'm getting a lot of Cowboys questions. You know, Micah Parsons, Jerry Jones, a lot of different opinions all over the map. And, you know, we'll get into this Micah Parsons trade. I mean, it's going to be a theme the entire season. Obviously, the Cowboys play on Thursday night. So that's going to be a major talking point. As more than likely, they're losing to the Eagles at home in the opening game for the season. Obviously, the documentary comes out, which is fantastic.

The documentary is really, really good. It paints Jerry like, obviously pretty sharp, pretty impressive guy. But Egos, him and Jimmy, just the whole, everything about that documentary, he had it all. From a shitty team to a team winning Super Bowls to crack cocaine and hookers to concussions, to retirements. It's just really, really well done. I thoroughly enjoyed the documentary. And sometimes like movies that are done about, you know, previous teams, they can be very hitter, for every last dance and the Cowboys dock.

There are a lot of crappy ones out there. But I got so many questions around about Micah. I looked at my closet and I said, hey, well, bust out the Cowboy hat is collecting dust. So I have a slightly conspiracy-driven mailbag question. Do you think that it's at all possible that Dallas was forced to trade Micah? My thinking is this. Jerry was so blatant and open about not dealing with Micah's agent that Mogeta possibly threatened to sue

or file some legal action against the Cowboys that scared them. And in doing so, possibly gain the ability to quietly secretly secretly demand where Micah was traded to. It makes sense to me from the stance that the Packers were the only team openly linked to trade talks for Micah and also Micah's seemingly great friends with Jordan Love. Listen, if you're David Mogetta and you are a powerful agent, that is doing huge business.

I don't think it would be constructive to sue the cowboys, right? You know, Jerry's in his 80s, not going to be there forever. Obviously, Stephen is going to run the Cowboys when Jerry is gone. I do think we're losing sight of this a little bit, because I've seen a lot of people say this, that why would the Cowboys, why didn't they shop this thing around and take the best offer possible? And in theory, that sounds great.

And they're, you know, like everyone can agree, like take the most you could possibly get for this guy. Is someone willing to give you two ones and two twos? Two ones, a two and two players, right? Who knows? Here's the problem with that. And this is where the NFL, while it's not basketball, there are some elements.

And I had a guy in the business tell me a couple years ago, like players have a lot more power in 2025 than they've ever had in the NFL. Because before 20 years ago, you just would have traded him to the highest bidder. And that team would have been like, We'll get him here. What is he going to do? We'll sign him to a contract.

Whatever. No one is trading multiple ones until he puts pen to paper. So if you were a team that went, hey, we'll trade you two ones, a two, and a player. So a better offer than the Packers. Let's just pick a random team. The commander, I guess they wouldn't have traded him in the division. But the Lions, the Raiders, whoever. Well, if Micah goes, wait, they're offering $20 million less, I'm not signing that contract.

last year with the 49ers, they tried to trade Brandon Ayyuk. They're like, we are trading you to the Browns. We're going to trade you the Patriots. He's like, I'm not going to sign their contract. So you can't trade him because that team won't okay the trade until he signs on the dotted line. Because it's not worth risking a guy like coming to your building, holding out, having the same issues. Micah had more power. No one's talking about that.

Micah had a lot of power because if they were going to trade him to have this open bidding process. It was going to be a play. Now, you weren't going to give them away. Obviously, the Packers had to be willing to play ball. And we can argue, was it enough? Was it not enough? But, like, they offered him a lot of money and he was going to sign their contract. So, like, it took two to tango. This wasn't just 20 years ago. You would have traded him wherever. And that team would have taken them and they would have figured it out. That's not the way it works anymore. Not when you're talking this amount of money. So I think it's less that was David Muggetta going to sue the Cowboys? No, it's, he's in the business to do these deals.

Like, listen, business, as Phil Knight once famously said in Shoe Dog is a war without bullets. Everyone's trying to fuck everybody all the time. And Mogeta's used to that, I'm sure, being in the business he's in. Like, welcome to the private sector. I think this was more about, like, I'm recording a podcast here in an hour with Colin, so I will probably reiterate this thought. I think the moment Micah started laying on the training table and showed up eating not. nachos, that was like the straw that broke the Campbell's back. And it was like a double FU to Jerry. And Jerry's in his 80s, stubborn, maybe the documentary, I would say, influenced to be like, hey, Jerry, because everyone was saying, remember when Jerry was a badass? Remember

when Jerry would take these crazy wrists? And now Jerry's like kind of on easy street? Like, Jerry's not going against the grain anymore. It's like, oh, he's just going to sign CD Lamb. He's just going to sign Dak Prescott. What did we all say? He's just going to sign Michael Barson's until he traded him. So I think it's less about like the Mogeta situation and more about like, yeah, they're like, we're not going to deal with this anymore. We're not good with them or without him at this point in time. And we're going to trade him, but we got to trade him to a place where he will sign because

no one would trade for him until he signed on the contract. Zero chance. I mean, when Cleo Mac was traded, he immediately signed a contract with the Bears. A big fan of the show with the Packers trading for Micah and the Eagles. edge room a little concerning. My question is this. When building a defense for a deep playoff run, what's more crucial? Dominant defensive tackle play or Star Edge. Well, think who the best defensive player on the Eagles was last year down the stretch. It was Jalen Carter, a defensive tackle. Think about the current dynasty going in the

NFL. Who's their best defensive player? Chris Jones, a defensive tackle. I think a lot of people have thrown out the highest paid defensive ends have not even been winning playoff games, let alone Super Bowls, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, Max Crosby. You know, when the 49ers, like, they had some good teams. Like, Nick Bosa had a lot of help. The first run they had, they had DeForest Buckner and Eric Armstead. And a couple of years ago, they had Eric Armstead and Javon Hargrave. So, yeah, I think they both matter.

I don't think, you know, in theory, you could take Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White. you know, the game was a little bit different back then. You weren't passing as much. But I don't think if you gave the average team the option, would I rather have the greatest defensive tackle of all time or the greatest defensive end? I think there would be, it'd probably be split. It wouldn't be unanimous either way.

I think you just feel very, very comfortable having a dominant defensive alignment. So whether that's Aaron Donald, whether that's Miles Garrett. I think most people, just for an individual season, would take Miles Garrett. Like, if you put Max Crosby on a really... If you just put him on the Chiefs or the Bills, like I think he would immediately win the defensive player of the year, assuming he stayed healthy.

But like when you're on Shed of your teams, you know, it's a team sport. You kind of, you know, that number four, the edge rusher for Miami making all the plays down the stretch, it helped that his DBEs were making plays behind him. Like, you need help. You cannot do it yourself. I'm telling you, we got a lot of Cowboys questions.

Big fan. Question for the bag. The Packers, I feel, won the Micah Trade by leaps and bounds. Two first-round picks in the late 20s and an aging defensive tackle seems good but not amazing offer. What do you think the logic is for Dallas? Is it strictly just a money thing? Were other teams just low-balling them? I'm telling you, the Packers got them because they paid them a lot of money. I mean, more money than I would imagine other teams were interested that there's probably a price point. It's like, yeah, we'll go up to $120.

They gave him $140 million guaranteed, right? $188 million. So the cap numbers are pretty low the first couple years. But the only way to get that to go away is like, ideally you give him another extension, right? So you get like seven, eight years of Micah Parsons. I also think we can debate how great of a player is. He's clearly a excellent pro-bowl, all-pro level talent.

He has an elite skill. coming off the edge and rushing the passer. And that is a very important skill. But he does have some flaws. Like you can, I don't know, run at him. There are two options when you have Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald, T.J. Watt, whoever, Max Crosby, I'm just picking the guys in the league now. But you go through the history of the league.

You either run away from them. Like with Dion Sanders or Revis, you just simply don't pass at them. With a defensive end, you've got two options. Can I run at him and wear him down? And also I was like, that's not his strength. He's more of a pass rush. Or do I need to run away? You're not running at Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White.

You're not running at Aaron Donald. You're not running at Max Crosby. You run away. You don't want to run away from Micah Parsons because his greatest skill is like chasing you down the line. He's one of the best athletes on the field. But what do you do? You run at him because he's not that big.

Relative, do some of these guys? He's not Reggie White. So where have teams taken advantage of him in some of the big games? They've gone right at his ass. And I do think that is a question mark of like, can he become a better run defender? Are those limitations always going to be part of it? Because if I'm giving you the most money humanly possible at your position,

which is what they just did, set a record, do you have any flaws? Because ideally I wouldn't want you to have any flaws. I was texting with someone in the league, like, if all things are being equal, there are countless other players I would rather have. I would rather have Max Crosby in 2025. Again, obviously, Micah's going to have better numbers

and the team's going to be better in the Packers. But like, no one would say that Micah Parsons is nearly as good as Miles Garrett. Yet everywhere I see the media, again, no one's acting like he's not a really good player. Right? He's a good player. He's a very skilled player. But he's now the face of the Packers,

the face of the Packers, and they're expecting him to be the best player in the league. When he's not even the best player in his position. Now, I also understand, and I watch Gutikins press conferences, and the floor is like, when do you ever get the opportunity to get a player like this? And the answer is rarely. It doesn't happen. This trades happen twice in, like, the Internet age,

Khalil Mack and Michael Parsons. But I've said this, and I believe this, Calil Max, at the same time when they were both traded, Calillo was a better player because he was a more, you couldn't run at Cleo Mac. You ran at Calil Mac, he threw your offensive lineman and tied in the other way. He dominated in the run game. Now, Micah's slightly better as a pass rusher, maybe, but not that big a gap.

So like when I go all in, now the Bears, turns out they had Mitch Trubisky and he wasn't that good. Comparing this to Reggie White, I mean, Reggie White is one of the greatest players in the history of the league. There was nothing he couldn't do. You didn't run at Reggie White. If I go, I can run at you. I'm just saying, like, and I understand why they did that because they go, Roshan Gary, you're not running at him. So like our defensive line and our coaches are good.

Again, like most players have some flaws, right, unless you're, it's a very, very small percentage of guys that can do everything well. But this isn't a perfect player. And it's definitely not a perfect personality. You know what I mean? He's Albert Breer wrote, you know, some people, like, the Dak Prescott, the CD Lamb, Zach Barnes, some of their holdouts,

no one had any issues with that in the locker room. That clearly was not the case with Micah. So it's not like he's Mr. T.J. Watt, Max Crosby. See, Miles Garrett, there was an article right when they gave him the extension this offseason. You know, they wanted to be a little bit better leader, which I'm sure there are some flaws maybe about just like, is he the first guy in the meeting room? But he's so fucking good.

Such a dominant player. Everyone's like, yeah, it's just like, well, Jordan Milata, when they were practicing against the Browns this year in a joint practice, he like gave a press conference. He's like, I don't even know. There's nothing. I don't even know what that is. And Jordan Milata is one of the biggest freaks in the league.

He's like, we were just laughing in the film room. Like, what, that's perfect. What was I supposed to do? You know, Mike is not that. So I, again, I think everyone, Jerry, his logic and the way he got here is a, little crazy. But the actual like trading Micah Parsons, I don't think is that nuts. And again, like his lever, now if you want the timing of it, 100%. He would have had more options and more teams would have been willing to spend before the draft. All for that. Totally agree. So it's like it shouldn't

have got to this point. If you were going to trade him, you trade him before the draft. And that's on Jerry. But I think people just act like they just traded Lawrence Taylor. And I just, I just disagree. I think if you just turned on most talking heads, they acted like if the chiefs would have traded Patrick Mahomes or something. Can you believe the Ravens traded Lamar? That's how everyone's acting. It's like, yeah, I don't know if I see it that way. I wouldn't, ideally, the whole point of a draft is to find Micah Parsons, but this notion that he is just, if there's a video game, like a hundred out of a hundred player, I just, I would disagree with that. I mean, some people believe these a little overrated.

Have you watched John Matira play yet? The sooner schedule is brutal, but he looked good. One philosophy I have when when evaluating these college games, like I don't put that much stock when you, like even Bryce Underwood, who Oklahoma, Michigan are going to play.

It's going to be awesome. Can't wait. But like you play New Mexico. Like I just can't take the game that seriously. Not that the point is to win, whether you win by 20 or whether you win by 40. But after watching Clemson, LSU and Ohio State, Texas, I just put little to no stock in games against no buddies. I really do.

So he's obviously a good player. I texted some scouting buddies that I don't want to say that are on the fence, but they think the hype's pretty strong for what they just at least saw in practice. But listen, this game, you throw three or four touchdowns on Michigan and you beat them and you're 2 and 0. Shit. Same thing with Bryce. Bryce goes into Oklahoma, throws a couple

touchdowns, they win. It's a big ass game. You look at the schedule this week, it is by far the best game on the slate. Disappointed Bama fan. Honestly fits to where this cowboy hat. We're talking a lot of South, a lot of cowboys. I just watched a team completely out physical

us. Look bigger, faster, and stronger, and play way harder than us, and they weren't even an SEC team. We look like a fucking Pac-12 team. That cuts deep. Hard for me to dispute It though My question is this

Do you think the bore Retains his job this year And if not Do you think Bama makes a play at Gruden This has to be really hard I've been broke I've had a little money It's easy to go from the

You know start at the bottom And then go up I can't imagine being one of these guys That was like Lost it all Was living high on the hog And then lost it all That has to be a very humbling feeling

you know, whether you go bankrupt, whether your business goes, you know, under, whether you risk it all in some business move and it just goes belly up. That has to, that sucks, right? I can't imagine kicking everyone's ass for a decade and a half, beating the living piss out of everyone you look at and knowing it. It's like, this game's going to be a joke. Honestly, being tested a couple times a year and just knowing in every big game, you got the advantage. Doesn't mean you're always going to win. They obviously save and lost some games. it's got to be a little bit like Belichick at the end

with the Patriots, but it was a little different because Bill was still there when they sucked. Like Nick was in the playoffs against Jim Harbaugh, then just left. Then all of a sudden you suck. It's tough. The one thing I will say, when Florida State's right,

when Clemson's right, when Miami's right, I was always told this and I believe this, those are three programs that recruit SEC players that play ACC schedules. So Florida State a couple years ago had an SEC roster. Like Jared Verse is an SEC player.

Braden Fiske is an SEC player. Keon Coleman is an SEC player. I mean, the two teams that were trying to get them were LSU and Florida State when he went in the transfer portal from Michigan State. So I, listen, you didn't lose to Cal Poly. You didn't just lose to Kansas State. And in fairness, Kansas State has nothing in common with Cal Poly Football. But my point is, you didn't just lose to a little school.

you lost to a school. I think part of it is the 14.5 point spread because everyone just assumed that 2 and 10 that Florida State sucks, maybe they don't suck. Maybe they're 10 winning. Now, you guys got some issues. I see a lot of people.

You got what's his name bringing the anxiety doll. There is just a softness. You go back in Google some of the pregame speeches, not from Nick, but from the players in their heyday. It sounded like SEAL Team 6. they were there to execute their opponents, literally and physically. And now it feels like, you know, if Ryan Williams is the face of your program, you got some problems.

And in fairness, he was there when DeBoer got there. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to say. I do think the overall premise, and I talked about this on Monday night, is you don't have Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens or Notre Dame's billionaires. You're not going to pay DeBore $70 million to go away. Pay your roster $25, $30 million to play. And then pay a new coach $80, $90 million.

Because the one thing about Gruden, listen, Gruden's a horror when it comes to his money. Right? They asked Jerry Jones one time, like, why did you name your team? AT&T Stadium, he's like, they paid the most. Like, that's always kind of been Gruden's thing. Remember, he's like, oh, he loves the Raiders and Mark Davis. Mark Davis gave him a 10-year, $100 million contract.

It's like, he didn't love him that much. It's not like, he said, yeah, five years, 50 million school. He's like, 10, 100, I'm in. Like, Jesus. So I have a hard time seeing. And I listen to other people in the college football world say that I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit about, you know, the Jimbo, Fisher days when you could pay a guy

$40, $50 million to go away. Those days are done because you are allocating at these big programs $20, $30 million to your players. So where's this extra, that is, even if you would have had the $50 million, you now need $70, and that's not even counting the new coach.

I think it's way more complicated now financially than it used to be. Even at a program, like, the other thing with Bama, and this is a lot of these schools, you know, before they had to start paying the players, They got all this money. They used to just invest it into their facilities. I saw on YouTube the other day that the golf team at Alabama has a $47 million facility.

It's incredible. They have like their own little special nine-hole course. They have this incredible practice. What do you think that money came from? The golf team? Of course not. It came from football. Football generates 80, 90% of all the revenue at these schools.

And obviously Nick Saban was the, all-time cash cow. So they've invested that money. It's not like they just have put away all this money and they've put it into the stock market and just going to pay for everything. If they had done that, then yeah, they would have a lot more flexibility. But that is not what. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

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And for more, follow Timbo Slicalife-Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. I believe you have a lot of respect for FSU in their program. And with NIL, you can reset pretty quick. FSU does not get a home game. I think, didn't they play that game at home? But has your stance on Kalin changed? Aren't these players, aren't these his players now? Can Bama compete?

I talked about this on money. night. I do think there's a disposition to him that is just the polar opposite of of Nick Sabin. Nick Sabin was a hard charging, aggressive, in-your-face, intense guy. And obviously, to get to the level that Kalin has, he's not like not ambitious or not focused and detailed, but personalities change. Bill Belichick is a lot different than Andy Reid. That's a lot different than Pete Carroll that's a lot different than Sean McVeigh. That's a lot different than Dan Campbell and the Harbaugh brothers. Like, everyone's personality is unique to themselves.

And Sabin's kind of a dying breed of human. That type human doesn't exist as much anymore. The guy that had made hundreds of millions of dollars who had won several national championships, by 2023, he was still trying to win another one. It's like, where do you get this drive in your seven? 70s. He's kind of a rare bird. They don't really exist. And he's even different from most other successful coaches. So my thought on him would be, I think his personality, I'm not saying he's a

substitute teacher because he's accomplished a lot. But his personality is one that clearly guys are not listening to and not taking seriously. If someone forwarded me, they've had more penalties season every single game since he's been there. Saban would kill 10 people if that happened after like two games, let alone how many they played last year, 9 and 4, 13, 14 games. People would literally be executed and the boosters would burn the bodies in front of everybody on television. No one would care.

It just wouldn't fly. There are certain things that are tolerated. There are certain things that are not tolerated. and clearly things that are being tolerated in that program would never have been tolerated with Nick. We'd like to hear some analysis on Arch from your scouting perspective since most people are just talking about performance relative to the hype.

I'm no scout, but I think his arm talent is really unimpressive. He can't make off-platform throws and any different arm angles looked mostly disastrous. I don't see any issues. I don't see these issues as solvable this year and I think if his name was Arch Middokoff, he probably would just be playing at Rutgers. Would love to get your take.

P.S. can't wait for the NFL. There is no arguing that his arm talent is not great relative to all-time hype guys. Right, like when you watch Cam Newton in college spin it, you went, holy shit. When you watch Caleb Williams spin it, you went, holy shit. So when I've seen a lot of people call him a generational talent, to me part of a generational talent is either encompassing size and arm like that's why luck he had it all

he was six five he was 240 pounds he could run he could spin it he was accurate he had it all right Caleb to me is not a generational talent because he's kind of short now if he was six five when you have those physical characteristics the talent now the player who knows right but Caleb can really spin it and you watch Caleb right away at oklahoma he went holy shit What's a ball come out of his hands? You want to ball come out of arches, you're like. Now listen, Peyton Manning is a top five quarterback of all time. I would argue that until I'm blue in the face.

He threw something that he claimed was a wobbly spiral. Peyton Manning did not throw a great ball. It was actually pretty ugly in the air. Some would call it like a wounded duck. But you know what it was? Perfectly accurate. He would hit you directly in the hands. Now, his mind was a huge.

part of his game. But Peyton Manning did not sling around like he was Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. So when I watched Arch, I went, well, he doesn't throw a great ball. His mechanics, now granted he's a young player are just atrocious. His arm's not that strong and clearly he's not that accurate. So there's a lot to work on. And this notion I've seen a lot of people go, everyone needs to pump the brakes. No one was going to judge Arch unlike Matt Patricia fooled him. I expected that. Of course, it's his first start against an NFL defensive coordinator that studied

under Belichick for two decades. He's got to get fooled. An interception, no shit. Welcome to football. But like, when you just watched him physically, you went, am I missing something here? I'm not trying to kick the kid when he's down, but he doesn't have a great arm.

I remember watching high school tape of him thinking like, am I missing something here? No, he's a good athlete. He's clearly a likable guy. His teammates like him. But his arm talent is average. And then, so if you got average arm talent, you're not accurate and your mechanics suck. Like, Peyton Manning's got the greatest mechanics of all time. His footwork's perfect. And he was like that in college. So yeah, I'd be a little nervous. Basically a question. Why does everyone sleep on Justin Herbert? We get this a lot. I think it's just an easy one. He's been a disaster

last year in the playoffs, I think a lot of people get offended when he's comped to the top group of Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Borough, which I, listen, there's some fairness there. But like, there's no disputing his talent. And I think if you buy into his coach with that talent,

he's going to be okay. Now is he going to be an all-time great player? I wouldn't bet the form on it, but I think when the dust settles, we will look back at Herbert finally. Enjoy the first. I've got a question. Do you think that most first round draft picks that don't work out,

just don't put in the time to be great? For example, Chase Young was the second overall pick and had a great rookie year, but then kind of fizzled out into an average player, not the generational player he was projected to be. I think I'd have to look it up, but when did Chase Young get injured? Because I think a guy like him,

and his style, like he was not a bendy player. He was much more of a power rusher, kind of like a clowny, a little like Khalil Mack, I guess. But in his second year, he tore his ACL and Patel attendant. So I think it's fair to assume that if he had been healthy, maybe he doesn't become Hall of Famer, but I think he would have been a really good place. when you rip your knee in half, it's a problem.

Now, sometimes you rip up your knee and you go on to have a great... Brandon Graham, I think my first year in Philly was his rookie year. I'm pretty sure he ripped up his knee. Went on to have a great career. So, I don't know. I think some injuries are clearly worse than others. Obviously this. Every individual responds to injuries differently.

And, yeah, I think... I think injuries factored in, but I definitely believe that some guys that flop don't work hard. I think sometimes if you're not smart enough to handle football, you know, in college, you could dumb stuff down in your talent. If you're a top, you know, couple round guy, you're just so much better than everyone else. In the NFL, everyone's really good. So if you struggle to learn football, if you're not an instinctive football player, there are a lot of variables.

You could find an individual that would check every box, guys that didn't work hard that flamed out, right? Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Mansell, guys at all positions. You can find guys that had major injuries earlier in their career and it derailed them. I think you could find human beings, and I think this is like in any walk of life, that for whatever reason, lose their confidence, never get it back, and it derails their career. They stop believing in themselves. Because one thing when you're a good player in college, the coach is going to believe in you.

The fans are going to believe in you. then I get to the team and I'm the 20th pick in the draft. I have some bad games. I lose my confidence. What if the coaches turn on me? What if at the end of the year those guys get fired and all of a sudden I get new coaches and they don't like me? So I think that's an underrated part.

It's a confidence. But yeah, I think you could check a lot of different boxes on why guys have failed historically. Okay, we'll end on this. What are your thoughts on Utah to make the playoffs for the Big 12? at plus 310 plus 450 respectively. So it's plus 310 to win the Big 12

and plus, or I guess to make the playoffs is plus 310 and to make to win the Big 12 is plus 450 which is pretty good odds. I love this bet. What am I missing? Utah was so good for back to back, essentially three straight years

when Kyle Whittingham really hit his stride in the Pack 12, you know, beating SC, beating Oregon, big game that mattered. And last year was obviously really embarrassing. They were the betting favorite to win the conference. And then Cam Rising got hurt for the 10th time. And they went to karate kid.

Well, that's what my wife calls Zach Wilson, his brother. And clearly their quarterback situation was a joke. I mean, it was really, really bad. And now they put their transfer portal guys from New Mexico. And they also brought his offensive coordinator. If their quarterback play is solid, their team's going to be good because they're always going to have NFL defensive players. They're well coached.

They're tough. I watch the Big 12. To me, I want to root for the guy Dave Iranda because he's a bald guy. I'm out. I just don't take them seriously. Texas Tech, they have a lot of money invested into that operation. I'm pretty sure their quarterback just got injured. Colorado's just not going to be good enough with their quarterback.

You know, ASU, it was week one, it was hot, but they were kind of in a tough game with NAU for a minute. I think the Big 12 is pretty wide open, and based on this resume, I don't even think it's close. He has the best resume of any team in that country. Now, you could argue Iowa State. They look pretty good. They play Iowa this week, which doesn't impact whether they win the conference or not. But if I was a betting man right now to win the Big 12, I would say the two lead dogs would be Iowa State. or Utah.

And I feel pretty good just betting on Utah and Kyle winning you. I think he's someone you feel comfortable placing money on. So I like that bit. Good question.

Appreciate the questions. Keep firing in those DMs at John Middlecoff. I'll put away this cowboy hat until Jerry does something else crazy. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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