The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Bills hire Joe Brady, Brian Daboll joins Robert Saleh's staff, Belichick NOT going to the HOF

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff dives into the Bills hiring Joe Brady as the team's new Head Coach and talks about why this hiring was very bold for the Bills and how it could have an impact on Josh Allen's career. Next, he talks about Brian Daboll getting hired as the OC on Robert Saleh's staff. Later, John discusses Bill Belichick not getting elected into the Hall Of Fame on the first ballot and how that is an embarrassment for the NFL. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on, everybody, John Middlecock, 3 and Out podcast? How are we doing out there in the real world? Probably not as good as Joe Brady, who was named the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. So definitely going to dive into that. Dayball hired by Sala to be the offensive coordinator. love it. The Jets continue to fire people. Right as I was about to record the mailbag, which is going to be at the back of this podcast, at John Middlecough is the Instagram firing those DMs.

I got a text from producer Jackson with the Schaefter tweet that Belichick was denied being a first ballot Hall of Famer. People did not, he did not get enough votes. So have to chime in there and then we'll do the mailbag. But that's, this is really. relatively recent. I'm still out of shock. I can't believe Bill Belichick didn't get enough votes to get into the Hall of Fame. Speechless, honestly. We'll talk about it. But other than that, that'll be the show today. And we'll just keep on chugging along. I was going to do a big mailbag and release it like the rest of the week so I could take a little family time. But then the bill's made a hire and it's just too big of a story to not chime in on.

Paid to give opinions on the National Football League. And that's a massive. of story. So we'll open the show with that. You guys know the drill. Netflix, we're rocking and rolling. Spice up the office a little bit today. Hopefully the backdrop looks a little bit better. So go check that out. Every episode's on Netflix as well as Spotify, Apple. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to 3 and Out feed. Subscribe. So you never miss an episode. But I think we need to start with the bills. Because Chefty throughout this morning, Joe Brady has been hired as the new head coach of Josh Allen's Buffalo Bills. My initial take, like right when I saw it was,

Brandon Bean has officially become one of, if not the most powerful GM in the league. Think about that. In a matter of a couple weeks, Brandon Bean went from a guy who was pretty polarizing. Not that he was bad, but I think opinions were mixed. and in two weeks they fire the coach, they hire the offensive coordinator,

and I don't even think it's arguable that he's on the short list with Howies and John Schneider's Super Bowl champions in terms of power in that position. And now, unlike Sean, who by the time, you know, this year happened, had some juice, had been winning,

wasn't just going to do exactly what you said. Not that that's right or wrong, right? A lot of times coaches are not correct in their evaluations. they make short-term decisions. So I'm a pro-personnel guy having juice when it comes to the roster, the draft free agency. But there is a, you know, kind of a yin and yang between the two guys.

And the best relationships are when they're close to equal footing. And I don't even see how it's debatable right now that beans in charge of the bills. Brady will coach the bills, but beans in charge. He's running this operation, which all the press, pressure now falls on him. And obviously Joe Brady, this is an elite job. I was thinking like, think how many young or first time head coaches get the opportunity to coach a guy in his prime. Like Mike Holmgren in the early 90s when he got the Packers, no one knew Brett Farf. They traded a second round pick for the guy. And obviously he became one of the great quarterbacks of all

time. I think you would have to go to Matt LaFleur, right, when the Green Bay Packers job was open. But at the time, Rogers was a little older. He hadn't been playing his best football. Now, LaFleur flipped him around, started to win to MVPs, and, you know, LaFleur's got multiple extensions since. But it's pretty rare, right, that a guy in-house gets this opportunity. Even look at John Harbaugh. Lamar Jackson, multiple MVPs, fired.

Now, they hired a guy who had worked for the Ravens, but Minter had been with Harbaugh's brother at Michigan and the Chargers left the nest. And here's the other thing. The difference of Joe Brady and Mentor, Mentor probably could have had six jobs this year. I mean, he definitely could have had the Browns and the Cardinals. I think it's fair to say the Raiders would have hired him.

And the Ravens were clearly all over. So this is a guy that over the last couple years was a very, very hot coaching candidate. I don't know if the same thing can be said for Joe Brady. And I'm not crushing me higher because no one knew that Sean McVey would be Sean McVeigh. No one, I don't care what they say now, knew that Kevin O'Connell would be spoken about the way he is now when the Minnesota Vikings hired. I'm sorry,

they just didn't. So you just never know. But there's also been a lot of like Cliff Kingsbury's. You know, offense, Brian Dayball left the bills and was viewed as a can't miss coaching prospect. Didn't go that well with the Giants. That's not really arguable. So I look at Joe Brady and I go, this is kind of an easy move, which clearly the quarterback who is sitting in on these meetings is heavily invested in. They don't have to change the offense. The GM knows them.

He knows what they look for in players. Pretty easy transition. I heard Albert Breer, I think, or someone say that during his presentation, the bills had an area during the interview that discussed your role as a CEO and his angle, I guess, on that relative to the other coaches, was the best. This guy was one of the hottest coaching candidates in all of football four or five

years ago, became a rock star with the LSU Tigers and that Joe Brady team. And there's been some arguments like, was he calling the plays? Was the older guy calling the plays? Who had the Jews? Regardless, he became a really hot name. And then it kind of got weird, right? Went to Carolina for Mount Ruhle, got fired, came here as a quarterback coach, Dorsey got fired. I mean, let's face it, McDermott eventually fired a guy to replace him with Joe Brady who kind of replaced him. Now, I don't know if it was, this doesn't feel like the bean situation where it's like he got elevated, they were equals. Like, I don't believe, at least as of right now, that like Joe Brady was a part of getting rid of Sean McDermott.

But it's pretty clear the bills, like we've discussed this a lot. It just happened last year. If the bucks could do it over again, would they have fired Todd Bowles to elevate Liam Cohen to their head coach. I think it's safe to say, and I'm pro Todd Bulls, really like the guy personally, and I don't think he is as bad of a coach as what was reflected this year.

But I get when you have a rough ending to a season, you miss the playoffs, people shit on you. It comes with the territory. He's even acknowledged that. But he's done a pretty good job the last couple of years. I don't think it's like anyone would debate if they could do it over again, they would have. They would have got rid of Todd and elevated Liam Cohn.

That's why they so desperately tried to hire him. I think anytime this defensive situation a long time ago, like if the Falcons had a do-over, they would have fired Dan Quinn and elevated Kyle. And I don't know if this quite felt like that because Joe Brady was not some guy that everyone in the league was lined up to hire. Now, would he eventually become a head coach? Probably inevitable. But the pressure now on this job, let's look at the other two big-time jobs, right? The Pittsburgh Steelers. Tyron McCarthy. Tomlin quits, slash pushed out.

It was just kind of over, right? I know logistically, he tapped out. But clearly the Steelers like, it didn't run its course. Kind of run its course in the sense that like the bar's not that high. I know they've been winning, but if Mike McCarthy can just, I would say, elevate the offensive side of the ball, get them to a modern offense

and find some sort of young, functional quarterback in the next, next several years that can shepherd them into the future, it's going to be viewed as a success. And as he said today, I'm calling the offense. The offense is my baby and I'm a quarterback guy. So he brings a ton of value there. And I know people are kind of shitting on the hire, but if he gets the quarterback right, it's going to be viewed as a good hire. And mentor, listen, it's a great job. The infrastructure, the MVP quarterback, they draft really well. They did just miss the playoffs. Like, they're not exactly, they're not exactly coming off at 13 win season. The Baltimore Ravens, while one of the best organizations in all of professional

sports, didn't exactly like the world on fire last year. So the bar is pretty low. Look at John Harbaugh. The bar couldn't be any lower. So some of those coaches in a weird way, a little less pressure. I mean, there's pressure on McCarthy. Like you can't just have an awful year. The owner has said they don't want to throw away a year. But the bar's not that high relative to how the Steelers have been playing. The bar couldn't be any higher in Buffalo. I mean, how many teams have a higher standard and bar going into next year than the Buffalo Bills? Two or three teams? Like, the expectation will be win the AFC or bust, which isn't even fair.

They haven't won the AFC with Josh Allen. I'd argue anything less than an AFC championship game will be viewed as a disaster. So this young coach, you obviously, if they offer you the job, you immediately accept. But the pressure for a smaller market, it's kind of like the northeast version of the Packers is going to be extremely intense. There is no just, hey, we made the playoffs one and done. That'll be viewed as a complete failure because that's exactly what was just happening.

So when you try to do this stepping stone coach, we had run its course with Sean, we're going to go with this younger hot shot that we think has a higher ceiling. Part of getting the higher ceiling is then taking the step. You know, famously Mark Jackson, resurrected the Warriors, made them credible. They fired them.

Pretty controversial all the time. They got Steve Kurt and started winning chips and became a dynasty. No one's ever talked about Mark Jackson since hasn't got a job, besides some people on the internet. And if you tell me next year, the bills are the one seat and in the Super Bowl, Brandon Bean, Terry Pagula, the organization will be viewed as geniuses. You tell me, it's like they don't win the division again. They don't make it past the first or second round.

Like, what the hell is the difference? And I think the shocking part in the face, as a diehard Bill's fan, text me today, there was discussion midway through the season. Like, is this working with Joe Brady? Now, statistically, they've clearly been one of the better offense the last couple years. But, you know, defense, there are rumors right now

as of recording this in the afternoon, that Jim Leonard would be the defensive coordinator. Like, that'd be an excellent hire. I just think the expectations, like, none of the offseason, the draft and free agency, whether it's splashy or not splash, None of it's going to matter. There is, I mean, you could count on one hand the amount of teams that are going to be judged from the standard of winning and losing quite like the bills next year.

And, you know, the GM is going to be under immense pressure from the fan base who, I think there's some like revisionist history. People, once the situation happened, started treating Sean McDermott like he was some elite coach. He was a damn good coach. I think the thing that offended most people is they didn't understand how the, He's two weren't on equal footing. And now he got to make a hire. And I heard Peter Schrager say this, and he's not wrong. Most GMs that are brought into a situation like this in like an arranged marriage, right,

or hired by the coach. I forget exactly the semantics of the hiring. I think Sean was first than maybe Bean came. They were both coming from Carolina. They knew each other, right? They'd worked together for five or six years in Carolina. So it was kind of a package deal a lot like, Shane and Daypole.

Usually the GM gets to pick his own coach. Joe Shane just did with John Harbaugh, though Chris Mara, the ownership, everyone in New York wanted the guy. So it wasn't like, wasn't that crazy of a of a discussion.

It's like, I'm going after this guy named John Harbaugh. Like, no shit, buddy. So I think there's a lot of different variables to this. Like I said, being, I count on one hand. Howie Roseman, John Schneider, Jason Light, like it's Jerry Jones, the GMs with more juice than this guy.

And you just start listing those guys, like, they got Super Bowls. Right? I mean, they have a lot of power for a reason. And I just think that he's going to be a controversial figure if this thing doesn't work. And pressure comes with the territory. This is one of those industries that's very public. Everyone's paying attention. Rightfully so.

It's the most popular sport in America. It's probably the only thing that the majority that, you know, 20, 30, 40 million people all agree with? Yeah, we're sitting on our couch watching football. That's not the case with anything else. Literally nothing else in America that many people are on the same page with. And that's the power of football.

It is flown by all these other sports. It's in a different stratosphere. It's like rank the popularity of the sports. There's not even a number two when you factor in the gap of the sport of football. I mean, the number two is technically college football. The national championship game got 30 plus million people watching. To put that in perspective,

game seven of the NBA finals last year got like 16, which that series had been averaging like single digits. And listen, I'm not trying to shit on the NBA for most of my life. I watched it. You used to love basketball. But his popularity is diminished greatly. And it's clearly more popular unless the Yankees and Dodgers are playing in the World Series. So the amount of people that are paying attention to the smaller market, this is unlike baseball and basketball, you just fly under the radar a little bit when you're in certain markets. Like the Yankees, the Dodgers, Lakers, the Warriors, the Knicks. Some of these teams just, there's a different, I mean,

the Thunder are clearly the best team in basketball for the last year and a half. And they're just not thought of the same way as the Lakers. They're not talked about. I don't mean thought of from on the court. I just mean the way it's discussed, the way people are paying attention. And that's not the way, that's not the thing in football. The Packers, the Bills, the Steelers, the Chiefs. I mean, you don't need to be playing in L.A., Chicago, you know, Dallas, and New York

to be discussed in this sport. And I think the Buffalo Bills have a gigantic magnifying glass on them. The quarterback, this new coach, the GM, it's going to be really intense. And I'm all for it. It's entertainment. And I would bet on them being pretty good. But, you know, a lot rides on the health and the play of Josh. If he plays like an elite and their defense can improve situationally,

they should be competitive to win the Super Bowl. Like, there is no excuse for this franchise in the next couple of years. not to be in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl is going to be a little random. It's one game. This is not a seven-game series. But you've got to win the AFC. And I would say the same thing for the Ravens

with Lamar in the prime of his career. I think you have these guys that are winning MVPs. You have enough talent. And now you have another off-season. These franchises need to make the Super Bowl when they have these players playing that position for their franchise. And I think the bills have even more pressure than the Ravens,

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of pressure, as I fell a bald man, it really, really excites me to see Robert Sala hire Brian Dayball as his offensive coordinator. Find me a better coaching bald combination in the league history. Just two guys that are using Bickraisers to shave that head. I haven't seen. I don't think they've done the press conference yet. I hope Robert Sala changes from what he did with New York and calls the defense. That's what makes him a great coach. Leadership and calls calling the defense. If he's calling the defense and Dayball's calling the offense, and that's all he has to focus on,

I think the Titans went from complete joke laughing stock to feel a little bit like a real franchise. Now, a lot of holes on that roster, major question marks with the quarterback, but there is no sport where coaching is this important. And if those guys are calling the offensive defense, you know, Brian Dayball proved with Josh Allen that he could be an elite coordinator, one for Alabama. He's had a great run. And then the New York thing kind of fell apart. But now he just gets to focus on football, a little bit like coming from New York, a little under the radar franchise.

And if I'm a Titans fan, given how embarrassing everything has been since we fired Mike Vrable, the situation in the last couple of years, to have back-to-back, really, really high picks. And just being a laughing stock throughout the league, it does feel like at least we gain some credibility back. Now, Saul is going to have to prove that he could be a head coach and be good.

and it's not going to be easy immediately. That division's really hard. It was just announced today the Jags. Liam Cohen, his offensive and defensive coordinator are both coming back. Obviously, Liam calls the plays. But the Jaggs are going to be really good next year, right? The Houston Texans, if CJ can just play a little normal in some situations and not self-combust, they're going to be really good.

I mean, think about it. The Texans were the five-seed and they started O in three. So I bet two years in a row on the Texans, being the number one seed, maybe I've just been off by three years. Because if they can just solidify their offensive line a little bit more, add a weapon here or there on offense, somehow keep DeNeil Hunter, they could be a major, major player again and compete for the Super Bowl. If CJ can just steady the ship, CJ, just play like Alex Smith.

But that's in your division. And at one point in time this year, the Colts were one of the best offenses we've ever seen, and pretty sure they were eight and two. Maybe seven and one, I forget, because obviously they imploded once their quarterback position fell apart. but if they just get okay quarterback play, they got a lot of good players. They have a solid coach.

And they got a coaching staff with Lou Am and Runo, assuming he doesn't get one of the jobs, and Shane Stike. And they're a real franchise. So it's not going to be easy for the Titans. But, man, it fires me up to see the Ball Brothers together. The Jets. I don't think it could have gone any worse for Aaron Glenn.

I really don't. And this gets back to Sala. you got hired because you were a fantastic defensive coordinator. What you did with random guys, dudes off the street, you had no business winning some of those games, and you were just the motivation aspect. I remember the different pressures he was throwing at Sam Darnold in that number one seed game two years ago was fucking awesome.

It was hard not to be like, I love Aaron Glenn. And then he becomes a head coach and he's like, I'm not calling the defense. I'm a CEO. It's like, bro, you were I just hired because of your defensive, I don't want to say wizardry, but like your defensive prowess. And then immediately you take a step back, you give it to another guy who you have to fire in the middle of the season. You hire an offensive coordinator after you paid Justin Fields, which was insane,

you benched him, you fired the coordinator today officially. It's like it can't be going much worse than Jetsland. Right? We thought last year the Rogers era firing Joe Douglas, firing Sala, the embarrassment. that was, then it would have to improve a little bit. Maybe not a giant leap forward, but just slow increments. It got worse. It got worse.

They traded away all their players. All I hear is like, well, they got all these draft picks. I had a buddy that's at the Senior Bowl right now. And I text them, I'm like, what's the talent like there? He's like, to be honest, in my almost 20 years of working in the NFL and going to this game, this is easily the least talented Senior Bowl I've ever seen. Now, part of that is, you know, guys not playing. Another part of that is NIL.

A lot of guys, I think, in five or four years ago, there was over 130 early entrance into the NFL draft. This year, and that includes guys that were, quote, unquote, seniors, but still could have gone back to school, right? If they're true, you know, they had played three years and redshirted. Any guys with eligibility left, 130 came out early. This year, I think the number of, number was under 40. NIL is playing a major factor on the depth of these guys going back and I don't

blame them because like wait, I'll get a million dollars guaranteed to be the starting guard or the starting safety for some power four top 25 team or I can put my hat in the ring to go in the draft and be drafted in the fifth round where I might not even make the team go on practice squad and next year make 180 grand but that's not 180 guaranteed thousand dollars I can be cut at any moment. It's like a week by week salary essentially. So you're seeing a lot of these guys make financial decisions. Stay in college. Rightfully so. I would too. Like last night check, college is pretty fun.

Especially, you know, academics clearly don't matter anymore. And they pay me premiums. So that has greatly impacted the draft. So when I see this notion of like these awful teams, these god awful teams, they're like, oh, they got a couple picks. So? There's not exactly, like, Khalil Mack and Jamar Chase aren't just sitting in this draft pool waiting to get picked.

that's Michael Parsons ain't staring you in the face here this is at the top viewed as like not that great of a draft that's why if I'm the Kansas Chiefs drafting 9th I don't think there's a big difference between 9th and 2nd I think we're getting the same player where some years when the elites are in a draft

there's a big difference between drafting 2nd or 3rd or 9th or 10th I don't think that's the case this year and I think you get a similar talent at pick 12 as you can at 24 and that's because of the depth of the draft the high-end talent in this draft. So that impacts who? Not the really good teams. That's not going to have dramatic effect on the bills

or the Jags or the Texans that are just looking to plug a spot here or there. It's the shitty teams. So the Jets, for example, who got rid of their couple high-end players, Quinn and Williams-Soskart. Like guys with Pro Bowl upside who are impact starters at premium positions.

Well, you traded away those guys for picks. It's like, are you going to get the equivalent talent for those guys? Last I checked, both of those were really high picks and viewed as premium players. Well, Quina Williams and Soss Garder coming out of college would be arguably beside Mendoza, who's a lock to go number one, be in the mix to be the first player taken in this upcoming draft. Probably would be. Probably go two and three. Now, I understand they're older and financially, there are different impacts,

but my point is simple is these bad teams, this draft ain't saving you. Like, you're not going to look up and go, God, they got Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman,

and Cam Chancellor out of that one. Obviously, there's some randomness to draft. You never truly know, and you're going to find Pro Bowl guys in random rounds. It happens every single year for random teams.

But I don't think this draft is viewed as the savior, like some of these teams are going to hype it up to their fans. I just got this, uh, this test. while I was recording from producer Jackson on the three and out group text.

And my first reaction is the NFL should be ashamed. And these people that voted should have their vote revoked. Bill Belichick, the eight-time Super Bowl winning head coach, obviously six is a head coach, two as a coordinator, is not a first ballot Hall of Famer per Wicker Shan and Don Van Nata. Belichick fell short of the 40 out of 50 votes needed for the introduction into the pro football hall of fame. Now, I understand personal biases.

When someone is a dick or an asshole to other individuals in any field, in any walk of life, those people are not going to like the other person, especially when I don't work with you, you don't make me any money. If you're in sports, it's not like I'm on your team, you're winning is bad for me, I get it. But if I'm voting for an award or something like, the Hall of Fame. My bias and agenda

and my thoughts toward you as a human being which clearly people hate Bill Belichick. They have forever. Beside like an Andy Reid, like individual coaches that are somewhat similar to his age that have known him for a long time. Mike Lombardi. People around the NFL,

not players like Brady or whatever, but some writers, media people, some former coaches, his, right, his, I don't even want to say colleagues, but his competition. A lot of people did not like, the league office can't stand them. But you can't with a straight face. Tell me that Bill Belichick is not a first ballot hallfamer. You can't tell me with a straight face that Bill Belichick is not one of the greatest coaches,

if not the greatest coach we've ever seen. He is right up there with the Lombardies, the Walsh's, what Andy Reid has done with Kansas City. he is an all-time great and a no doubt about it first ballot Hall of Famer. If Bill Belichick is not a first ballot

Hall of Famer, I don't know who is. Because when it comes to players, I've always had a problem with the Hall of Fame. Like, to me, when I think of it, I think of Montana,

Brady, Lawrence Taylor, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Deon Sanders, like the best of the best. Jerry Rice. I do think it's been diluted a little bit,

but a lot of those guys like obviously don't get in the first time. It takes them a little while. It kind of is what it is. But if you tell me we walk into the Hall of Fame, like there's a big difference where the elite of the elite are sitting and some of the other guys in there, right? When it comes to the coaches,

if we did a Mount Rushmore of coaches in the sport of football, no one would argue you could include college. Bill Belichick is on it. So these people that didn't vote for them should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Because he was a dick to you, because he didn't give you a good quote. I can't even imagine justifying it with not checking his name. Because to me, voting for Bill Belichick when he's Hall of Fame eligible,

is as easy as voting for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Aaron Rogers. Or pick Aaron Donald. Pick whoever you want. Who's just one of the best players I've ever seen? No doubt about it. That to me is Bill Belichick as a coach. This isn't some morning television. television show where we're debating Belichick or Brady, who's, this is simply, is he the best

coach of his generation? Answer, yes. Is he a Hall of Famer? Answer, yes. Is he a first ballot hall of fame? If you just went, if we were sitting at a bar, ordering some bruskees, getting some snacks, bullshit, talking ball, is there anyone at the bar? Even the people that hated him.

Even the people that couldn't stand Bill Belichick's crumogeness. that would debate that he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think it's, I'd be ashamed if I was those guys. We need to docks them. I need to know who they are so I can immediately unfollow them. And those people have to be a little nervous about getting doxed, about getting exposed. Because even if you can't stand, Bill,

we would all be in agreement that he should go immediately into the Hall of Fame when he's eligible. And I get like, if I was all these teams, I couldn't touch him anymore. Not at this point. Not with his age. Not with his attitude. Not with Jordan.

I get it. I'm not even acting like these teams at this point are making dumb decisions by not even contacting him. And he knew that. Like, Bill's no dummy. That's why he went to North Carolina. He knew he was never getting hired

in the NFL ever again. But to not get the votes to go to the Hall of Fame? What are we doing? That's... I'm embarrassed for everyone involved. I truly am. Can I tell you about my new friends, Zbiotics?

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And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We create. our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And...

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,

Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself.

I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world.

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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At John Middilkoff, Instagram, fire in those DMs. Mr. John, you can just call me, John. I'm not Mr. John. Love the pod, appreciate it. Question for the bag.

As a Steeler fan, I know they have. Many questions to answer with the roster, including defense and the quarterback. Would it be worth taking a mid-round pick on Clubnick or Nussmeyer to see if they can develop? Thanks. Well, you just did that last year with, I get Riley Leonard's on the Colts, Will Howard's on the Steelers. You kind of did that with, you know, what's six-round? To me, Clubnik, I watched a decent amount of Clemson over the years because he was such a hyped player. I do not see it.

Seems like a good kid, but I don't think he's very good at football. Nussmeyer, to me, Nussmeier is much more like a dome, like Cousins was for the Vikings, or maybe Drew Brees with the Saints. He doesn't have a big arm. So to me, if you don't have a big arm,

I'm not messing with you in that division, in that conference. I need a big arm quarterback in the AFC. Good franchisees all play outside. and until everyone's in a dome, like the weather that impacts to me, like who's the best quarterback, at least of my lifetime for you guys? Rathesburg, huge arm. Think of just Super Bowl champs.

Peyton Manning playing the dome, right? You go Brady, big arm. Eli, big arm. McNabb, big arm. Mahomes, big arm. Josh Allen, big arm. Lamar's arm, I would say, is a howitzer, but it's not bad and the running element is elite.

And he's very comfortable playing in the cold. So I need big-armed quarterbacks in the elements. I just do. Burroughs somewhat of an outlier, but he's just an all-time elite player. Who didn't play that well this year? Congrats on the baby. Truly a life-changing event.

I agree. Kids unlock a whole new range of human emotion that you didn't understand until you have them. I agree. When you see the guy get a little chop-chop this morning at the pediatrician's office, you just, those tears. the screaming tears really, really hit your soul,

especially when they're really young, a couple weeks old. Really impacts my wife. Quick Browns take. I think the Haslums are the poor man's Jerry Jones. Jimmy keeps underperforming team relevant by manufacturing drama instead of winning. Johnny Mansell, Baker was a mouthy savior. Watson kept the Browns in the headlines.

Now the Shador noise and trying to flex the brain power with his coaching search. Constant quarterback turn, coaching turnover leaks, feel intentional. Jerry Jones wrote the playbook. I love your thoughts. I don't think he's trying. I really don't because part of Jerry is Jerry is the show. Jerry does press conferences every game day, right?

In the locker room after the game. Jerry does a weekly radio hit. Jerry talks twice a week during the season and sometimes more. I don't feel I hear from Jimmy Haslam that much. I think Jimmy Haslam is unintentionally doing this. And I also think Jimmy Haslam, who clearly meddles, gives his coach

and GM a little more room to kind of screw themselves, and then he turns on him. But I don't see it the same. I think Jerry is somewhat of an outlier. He never shuts up. I mean, he never does. I feel like I don't hear Jimmy Haslam

talk that often. Now, I'm not following the Browns day to day, but I actually follow a decent amount of Mary Kay, a couple other people around the Cleveland scene. It doesn't feel like he's firing out quotes all the time. Even the leak, and I don't think it was a leak, I think Pellasaro, when he said that they are demanding homework and essays,

was just reiterating what coaches were telling him. Like, I don't think the Browns wanted that out. I actually very confident saying the Browns would not want that out. The Browns would not want that out. Grats on becoming a dad. Just became a grandfather in November. Congratulations. Why does the media hold Stefansky and Kevin O'Connell as these elite coaches?

I do not see it. Staphansky's latest third round pick and KOC not keeping Darnold, only thing I see is they both have top 10 defenses last season. I do think Kevin O'Connell, I mean, he got 35 touchdowns out of Darnel. Two years ago, Cousins had a really good year. I've seen him with good quarterbacks, have a really good season. season. I do think the Browns feel, it's why Jim Schwartz, as of recording this, it might get hired as their next coach. Jim Schwartz is a really good defensive coordinator. Was a defensive coordinator

for the Eagles when they won the Super Bowl? Their defense was really, really good. Maybe not in that Super Bowl because I think Brady threw for like 775 yards. But overall, like Jim Schwartz is a high-end defensive mind. It's why the Browns were trying to like kind of get some young guy and keep Schwartz, but clearly Schwartz is telling them I might leave. So they want to keep. them. It's kind of complicated. I do think that Stefansky has been carried by defense more than Kevin O'Connell. I do philosophically agree with Stefansky more than I do Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell is

Sean McVeigh's doppelganger, not physically, much taller, a little more receding hairline. Obviously, Sean's got good hair, but they love throwing the ball. They are the young versions. of Andy. Kevin Kevin Sifansky is much closer to a defensive minded head coach or Kyle Shanan. He wants to run the ball way more,

which I respect. And I do think translates in big games. So I think both are just smart guys who no offense are viewed as like quarterback guys. But I'm with you. Like defensively, especially last year.

I don't put the darn Cousins, J.J. McCarthy, that all on Kevin O'Connell. I just don't. Remember a couple years ago, Kevin O'Connell wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I don't know there have been stories written about all the details with the Donald thing. I do think it's hard when you draft J.J. McCarthy. Most teams in the history of the NFL would have done that. You just better be right.

And here's what I would say. They are not drafting J.J. McCarthy without him putting a stamp of approval on it. And if you're putting your stamp of approval on a guy who comes from a running offense with a great college defense, pretty risky, who then you need to change his mechanics. Like, as we sit here a year away, if Darnold were to win the Super Bowl, it's an all-time F-up. There's no way around it. Like, the Cousins thing, Tours Achilles, you move, that's not that crazy. But then you get Darnold for one year, $10 million, and you overreact to those last two games. I think if he had played well in those last two games,

even if they lose, Darma might still be on the team. But I think once he kind of shit the bed and the offense fell apart, and I thought Kevin O'Connell did a terrible job in those games. It's like, hey, bro, your quarterback's rattled by this pressure. Run the ball or run some, like, quick screens. But he's obsessed with like long, drop-back, deep passes.

It's what he did with J.J. McCarthy right away. It's like, Kevin, J.J. McCarthy is not going to play like he's Josh Allen. Right? Stop having him slinging her. round like he's Justin Herbert. Have him hand the ball off, but he doesn't want to call runs. Like most coaches, they got flaws. I think that's the case.

You could do worse. I would take Kevin O'Connell over Kevin Stafansky. Even though I don't always agree with the way he calls offense. I just think he's better with players. I still go back to the Stafansky thing. Can players like him? I'm not saying they don't. I just haven't seen many guys say they do.

That's all I'm saying. It's pretty clear people like Kevin O'Connell a lot. And that matters to me. Like, this isn't 1987. And I'm an old school guy. I was raising a very old school home. There are certain things that I will teach my son that are not going to go out of style in my house.

That I promise will translate well until society crumbles. But things do change a little bit over time. And the coach just being the dictator, it's not quite that way. You have to be hand in hand with the players. Andy Reid is excellent with that. McVeigh, Kyle, they're really good at that.

Sean Payton can be a little bit of a dictator. You can't. But he's old enough where he can still kind of pull it off. Mike Vrable's pretty player-friendly. He's on your ass, but he's player-friendly. I need the players to really like you. I just do. I mean, and I think Kevin O'Connell has that.

I wish you'd run the ball more. If he'd run the ball more, I think he'd be an elite coach. and maybe he will over time. The Rams defense let Stafford down. He was cooking. Realistically, they should have won that game if McVeigh had taken the field goal on the fourth and goal from the four-yard line.

They got the ball back and needed a touchdown. If they kicked, they would have just needed a field goal down 33 to 31. Do you think he made the right call to go for it? I do think at the time I would have gone for it to. I think the mistake was, if I remember correctly, they did not throw to Puka or Devante on either pass. I think they wanted to go to Devante on the third and four

and he was like kind of bracketed covered and Stafford kind of had to go off him. I think under no circumstances, can you run two plays essentially that are touchdown or bust plays and not throw it to a Hall of Fame wide receiver in Devante who is an elite red zone target and arguably the best wide receiver in the league

in 2025 in Pukkah, who's just cook in that game again, who has like 600 yards and two games against these guys. guys. And they threw it to two other guys. So I think that if McVeigh could do it over, he would have called basically two plays that he would have had to throw it to one of the two of them. I'd rather throw an interception going at one of those guys than throw an incomplete pass at another guy. So I think, and listen, Sean Peyton, Seth Wickersham talked to him after the game. and Sean Payton said on that fourth down

where he went forward on fourth and one and said to kicking the field goal. He's like, we called the play and we got the look we wanted. The problem was is they changed the defense from the look. So when the ball was snapped, the look they got was not the defense

that comes with that look. And I said, Sean, you're in the AFC championship game. Well, who are you going to play in the championship games? the best teams and the best coaches. You're going up against Mike Vrable and his young defensive coordinator. Well, what did Mike Vrable in his heyday as a player

in the past hang their hat on? Tricking you, showing you things and doing other things. That's the name of the game. So just because you quote-unquote get the look you want, you're not guaranteed to get that defense post-snap. You're playing Mike McDonald, you're playing Mike Vrable. They're going to throw curveballs, especially in situations like fourth and goal or big downs like third and one midfield.

They're going to throw things that you don't expect. That's what they do during the week. They go, hey, we got this tendency. They're going to think they're going to get that. We're going to show them this look, but we're going to do the opposite of what they think is coming. And I thought, Sean, like being an innovative, offensive coach, you should be prepared for that. It's why I go back to, I think you've got to kick the field goal. And I think it's the biggest mistake of the game.

Biggest mistake of the weekend. Bigger mistake than what you brought up with McVey going for it. Of course they're throwing shit at you. Who taught Brable how to play defense when he was a player? Bill Belichick, the guy that came to make the Hall of Fame. But whose game planned from playing Joe Montana and Jim Kelly in Super Bowls and NFC championship games are in the Hall of Fame? Bill Belichick's.

He's been a defensive genius for, 40 years. Still can't make Super Bowl. We all got to agree. That's crazy. You can hate the guy, and this isn't, you know, the Clemens and Barry Bonds and the steroids. I get it. I disagree. But, like, if you want to stand on that argument, like, yeah, I can't prove who was on him, who wasn't on him.

I mean, we know those guys were on them, but, like, who else they were playing against. But if that's a hill you're going to die on, like, what am I going to say? Bill Belichick couldn't make the Hall of Fame. What are we doing? that's shameful. It really is. I'm embarrassed to be associated with the greatest sport in the world football and that take place. I don't feel much sympathy for William Belichick.

I do on that one. Like that's a joke. Feels like there's talking about collusion. I guess the league office. People hate the guy. People hate the guy. They'll show you. You know, try to be nice to people.

I've really worked on that the last couple weeks. I think I'm pretty nice out there in the real world. But when you're sleeping, a couple hours here, a couple hours there, my tendency is to just be grouchy and angry. I'm just, every time I go somewhere, I try to force a smile. And because you realize, like, that's, that person's interaction with you that day. It's the person at the front desk at the gym. It's the person at Starbucks, the person you run into on a walk.

And Bill never gave a shit about that. It's coming back to bite him, even if it's unfair. Huge fan of the pot. I hope you're doing really well with your new family. I'm a lifelong Steeler fan. And like many fans, I was surprised by the recent hire of McCarthy. Do you see any world given an offensive mind where he would actually take the Steelers to a playoff victory?

We have an aging D and, of course, no quarterback, but do you see him bringing a bit more life? Well, you know, the Aaron Rogers thing's not going away. So Aaron Rogers wouldn't shock me at all if he doesn't. you know, if he just plays another year. And listen, I don't think this quarterback drafts very good. If Aaron Rogers doesn't come back, could they make a play for a Davis Mills, a Mac Jones, and just give them some stability?

Maybe. I think if McCarthy was smart, he kind of bought him out, even if it pissed off his fan base. McCarthy's proven. If you get him, he doesn't need Aaron Rogers. Dak Prescott is not going to go to the Hall of Fame. he's going to make $500 million and have sweet stats, but he's not a hallfamber. But he's a good player. And Mike McCarthy made him look like an awesome player.

So if you can just get him some version of that, you guys are going to be good on offense. He's proven that. Like, it's not even, we couldn't even have an argument about that. Is Mike McCarthy good at coaching offense? Every single human has to answer, yes. Is he good at coaching the quarterbacks? Yes. That's really important to a franchise that had become kind of,

offense and quarterback lifeless. They tried with Rogers, but at 41, 42, it's just, if I was Aaron, I'd probably walk away, but you never know. What advice do you have for reaching out trying to acquire sponsors? Of course, your viewership is probably the most important for everyone coming to listen, sponsors, viewers, listeners, platform, or anything else I'm missing. It depends, like, if you run more of like a local operation, like let's say you live in Baton Rouge

and you run an LSU podcast or you live in Buffalo and you run a Bills podcast I think you should try to utilize especially if you live in the community some of the small businesses in that area and develop relationships with restaurant with local

car dealer I remember when I first got in the podcast world well way before Netflix and coward I was just going to like car dealers and DMing and emailing everyone. Any sponsor I would hear on someone else's podcast and a lot has changed. This was probably 2016.

I would find a way to DM, LinkedIn DM, I would kind of dirty hustle. Now I was doing a little bit more like not necessarily local but some of my local stuff in the Bay Area. Car dealerships, restaurants, companies that were really popular in that area and just kind of guerrilla warfare. You kind of got to turn into,

you've got to be your own sales guy. And you're going to get some noes. A lot of people aren't going to respond. And this can be true in any industry. Once you kind of do it for, you kind of become numb to it. And you just make an hour or two a day. I don't know if it's your side gig.

Dedicate some time to just spend guerrilla warfaring people. Whether that's emails, whether that's DMs, whether that's, if you have the capability, this would always be the, the number one thing, go to them. If you have previous relationships with some of these people, try to utilize them.

They can't say no if you don't ask. Which they probably will say it first. Okay. All takes one yes. And once you get one yes, maybe the ball starts rolling. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news.

We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty. a pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey Jonas. and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and Headwere

writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs' tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay.

Genshin won. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerner Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Love the podcast. So I had a question. I just finished playing Juko football out in Southern California,

Juko champs, Golden West. Now that I'm done playing here, I really want to get into coaching at the college level. If I remember correctly, I know you were grad assistant at Fresno. I wanted to ask and see if you had any advice on what the best route would be for someone like me, who has a desire to coach at the college level.

If you have any tips or stories that helped you on your journey and would be awesome to hear. Well, one thing for the coaching fraternity, especially in college, there are a lot of camps, right? Seven-on-seven camps, summer camps. I would work those. So you live in California, Southern California,

UCLA, USC, Fresno State, San Diego State, any camp they have as a former, like you played in junior college, reach out to their, I don't know, offense, defensive coordinator, quality control guy. You can find their information on the school website and see if you can work the camp. Hit their GMs up, DMs,

and see if you can help out at the camp. Or just like if you could come study for the day. Right? Spring is, spring practice is a couple months away. So if you live in Southern California, you have UCLA, USC, and San Diego, you have three, obviously two big 10 schools and a Mountain West Pack 12 school in San Diego State. You should try to go to their practices.

Hey, can I just come to your practice and watch? I'm a foreign player and want to get into coaching. Because the most powerful thing you have as a coach is developing a couple relationships. And once you develop a couple, those things are like a spider web. And if you meet the right guy, if you meet the wide receiver coach at UCLA in two years, he could be the offensive coordinator Ohio State.

Or the wide receiver coach for the ramps. You never know. All of a sudden, you're hanging out with the San Diego State coach and five years, he's the head coach in Texas. I mean, that's how fast shit happens. So you've got to find a way to meet guys that are coaching at those universities, which is easy in the sense that you just need to get access

to, hey, can I follow you for? for a day at spring practice and come to your meetings. I aspire to be a coach. Let's just, I don't know what position you play. Let's just say you play DB. Hey, could I just shadow you for the day, the DB coach? I'll just take notes and watch you in the back. Who knows?

Maybe you just develop, you have lunch with them, breakfast with them. Now, you'd be like, well, how do I meet that? You just find a way to just unlimited emails, find their phone number, maybe show up at the facility. It's going to, it might take a little hustle. but you don't live in the middle of nowhere. Like you are in a place where there are, if there are Northern California,

you got Cal, Stanford, Fresno State, UC Davis, Sack State. You got some successful college programs in your area. You might just have to drive around and figure it out. Now, I don't know your situation. If you want to be a grad assistant, you have to get an undergrad degree. So if you're done playing JC ball,

you do have to continue your education and finish with a graduate degree. And to play, or I mean an undergrad degree. And I'm pretty sure, I don't know for a long time, the rules, if you want to coach in Division I football, you have to have an undergrad degree. That's a big deal. Gotta hear a response to Deaunt or Chador Sanders making the Pro Bowl.

I think the NFL officially killed the Pro Bowl. I saw a lot of people with a lot of takes on this. I don't blame them for picking Chador. because this game is only about television now. And in fairness to this game this year, like it's been for the last several years, this game has become a joke. I've all Sean Merriman on Instagram,

and he posted this picture of like, I remember when the Pro Bowl used to matter, and it was like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, like all these great in pads. The Pro Bowl 20, 30 years ago, was a really big deal. Several years ago when Josh Allen would opt out of the,

Pro Bowl to play at the AT&T Pebble Beach. I went this. Mack Jones, I think as a rookie, made the Pro Bowl. I said, I'm out. This game hasn't mattered well before Shador Sanders. So the Shador was added to try to gain some more eyeballs. This game, it's a flag football game at the Musconi Center in San Francisco.

It shouldn't have anything to do with football. It should just be, we're picking whoever we want to pick, who's the most famous, most Instagram followers, and try to get people to watch. We could play trivia. We could do a contest like who could throw the ball the farthest. Honestly, remember some of those,

it happened when I was really young. It'd be the Pro Bowl games and it'd be like Farr versus Marino versus Jim Kelly and they would just try to like throw the hardest or throw this obstacle course and just do stuff like that. There is no Pro Bowl anymore.

The game doesn't count. Several years, ago when it was clear like no one would tackle it's like this thing's a wrap so people the shador this thing had become a joke way before shador sanders way no one will play in the game and here's the thing guys are too rich when you get rich enough things that used to matter no longer matter it was a really big deal and i bet a lot of those guys like i bet if we went back to look at Ray Lewis, probably had like a half a million dollar or 250K kicker in his contract to make the Pro Bowl. So it was a big deal. I don't give a shit. I make 40 million dollars a year. I make

$28 million a year. Brandon and I, you quit. Signed a $75 million contract. Just quit playing football. Who knows if he ever plays again? I'm just out. The money now is so big, it's changed the priorities of guys. And I don't blame anyone for not wanting to tax. in a pro bowl game where if I get injured, it could derail my career. So I understand that. Like I, I, I, there's too much money in the line for these guys. And the mentality's changed.

The world's changed. But the pro bowl ceased to exist a long time ago. Shador does not represent the symbolic nature of the embarrassment that this thing is now. That happened years ago. So if you're like, hey, we need, hey, Shador available, that'll move the needle. Can Dion coach? They're just trying to do anything to get some people to watch. What are they even doing?

Like a throwing contest with flags? They're not playing football. They're playing TV ratings with no pads and flags. Honestly, I don't even know. What is the pro ball flag? Is that you couldn't, I have no clue what the event is now. But I know it's not a football game because it's not being a football game years ago. And it officially stopped being a football game like two years ago.

Are they still doing flag? I don't know. But they should just do, they should just do like random stuff. Like four guys racing the 40, maybe swim, you know, two laps in the pool, who wins, lifting contest, like strong man, maybe like paintball game.

I don't know. You can do whatever you want it. But I wouldn't even have a football around because just making a mockery of what it used to be. And I don't want to sound like that guy and get off my lawn guy, but it used to mean something. The volume. Hey guys, it's us.

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