The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Bills presser was WILD, Bakers gets MAD, 49ers Practice Facility

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff dives into the wild press conference with the Bills owner and GM, where we learned why Bills owner Terry Pegula doesn't talk to the media very often. Next, John reacted to some of the other coaching news around the NFL, Baker Mayfield going off on twitter regarding a tweet about him and his time in Cleveland, and if teams during SB week will have an issue with the 49ers practice facility. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 03:38 - Bills wild press conference  14:02 - Other coaching news 28:36 - Baker goes off on twitter 32:43 - 49ers practice facility 38:30 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And yeah, so let's just, let's talk some football. Let's dive right into the Buffalo Bills. Now, I've been pretty critical because one guy got promoted, one guy got fired, and I was like, you know, how are these guys not on equal footings, even though we know that's not how it usually goes? I have a little bit of a different take today. I've never listened or heard Terry Pagula talk. I learned through the press conference that the man rarely talks.

And after watching today, I understand. why. I would never go in front of a microphone again if I was him. My big takeaway today is, like, I don't know if he's the sharpest tool in the shed. Some of you'd be like, John, he's a billionaire. How would you say he's not smart? Well, I can't say I know many billionaires, but I knew some multi-millionaires growing up who didn't have a high school diploma. Because historically, 60s, 70s, 80s, Pagula made his money in oil. Like, you could get by with not being the smartest guys if you had nuts the size of watermelons. If you had balls. If you. you were willing to take chances because most human society or not.

Like, I don't know if Jerry Jones is the sharpest guy in every room he's ever walked in, but there's no disputing that Jerry was willing to take some big swings back in the day. I'm talking before the Cowboys. He had large Cajonis. And like reading a little bit about Terry and his business climb, there's no disputing Terry's got some stones. But like when you watch them, listen, not everyone is a great public speaker. I've told the story before.

my brother is much more capable at like 99% of things in life than me. Yet he couldn't eat his dinner before my wedding because he had to give a speech, which lasted like 30 seconds. Some people are just uncomfortable speaking in public, which is understandable. Like I talk for a living. So I try not to judge people that talking in these settings, but like I've seen enough owners talk like most guys could handle themselves. He could not.

And then I started doing a little digging like I don't follow hockey. no team in pro sports beside the Jets has a longer playoff drought than the Buffalo Sabres. He happens to own that franchise as well. I've said this for a long time. You watched this press conference was theater. And I live for a good press conference when it's like, it's fucking on like Donkey Kong. People want answers, people want to know what's going on. This feels like a shady situation.

Like let's rewind a couple weeks ago to the Ravens. Steve Bushati fires John Harbaugh. it really wasn't that controversial it was like 18 years we felt like we came to the end of the road we make a change and you looked up at the day as such as him talking and he's given his answers

unfazed comfortable in his environment and is just in that situation whether you liked or didn't like what he was saying like he wasn't afraid anything bring it fucking on right and he's like that's what an owner that's how it should be handled I watched Chris

Chris Maria yesterday after the Harbaugh press conference he did something on the with all the media. And he's usually not the lead voice. It's his brother John. Handed it with ease. You watched Terry up there today.

Obviously the Key on Coleman comment, which I will defend Brandon Bean later in the press conference. He came back like, listen, we were all on the same page. Anytime you don't draft like really, really high, I would say top five, but maybe like the top 15. Like you could get someone at 11 that you kind of had a decent idea who was going to be there and that's who your coaching. staff the personnel people love, you start drafting past like pick 25. There are going to be

seven different opinions in the room. Coach, GM, coordinators, a couple scouts. Most people are going to be like, I wish we would have dropped that guy. I wanted that guy. That's not abnormal at all. And I think Brandon Bean really tried to double down. Like, listen, I liked him too. There are videos going viral of him liking him. I like Keon Coleman a lot of Florida State. I thought he was a stud. Remember that first game against LSU? He had three touchdowns. I was just mossing dudes in the corner of the end zone, was fantastic performance. So I was pro-key.

I'm not trying to act like it was a crazy draft pick at the time. But, and I think Brandon Bean tried to like later on saying, listen, I don't, try to distance himself a little bit from that. And it shows like Terry, there's not that big difference besides owners that don't give you money to spend on your team. Like that's a big separating factor. But most of these guys have no clue what they're doing.

Let's just be real. They are very dependent on the people they hire. And if they get the people they hire right, their team kicks ass. Terry Pagula is a good example. Bean, McDermott, a year in, they draft Josh Allen, and it's on like Donkey Kong. If he would have drafted two people that weren't capable, which we see happen all the time, the Buffalo Bills franchise could still be a joke like it was most of the internet era, post like the late 90s.

So, like, people have to make decisions on who to keep and who not to keep. And it's always easier for these owners to keep the GM. I understand that. We've been consistent on this podcast. It's not even a pro-personnel anti-coach thing. It's just like they communicate more closely. They're able to make their case more easily. They speak their same language where coaches sometimes don't.

And coaches, like the GM ain't addressing the team. The GM ain't the guy scheming up the plays. And the coach makes way more. The coach is also, let's say being, I mean, I would surely make a decent amount of money. Let's say five, six million. Sean McDermott was like making $15 million. So the coaches make way more. Their jobs more volatile.

It comes with the territory, right? But watching Pagula today, I went, whoa. They were a bad hire from this thing being the Jets. Because you watch this guy, he is a complete wild card. And I've always just assumed, didn't know much about him, good ownership. I think they hired the right people and they drafted the right quarterback because I watched Terry Pagula and I went, I don't really see it.

Someone take the mic away from him. As someone DM me, what they should have done is at Terry start and just say, listen, we had a bunch of shots at this. He's been here nine years. We really respect him. Took a bunch of shots. We couldn't get over the hump and we thought it was time to make a change.

That's my statement. I'm sticking to it. I'm out. Brandon will ask, answer all your questions. Instead, he just kept talking. And it was like, holy shit. Like, Brandon Bean's, listen, I, I'm not anti-Bean in the sense that I've heard him do a lot of interviews over the years. I've always thought he was a sharp guy. Whether he's a great drafter or not, like, no one's comparing him to like Al Davis in his prime, right?

But he clearly, like, had some good players and he's done a solid job. And takes a large amount of the response. for landing the quarterback, which was very controversial at the time. There is no Monday morning quarterback, be like everyone would take in Josh Allen. Josh Allen, and I vividly remember this. I'm like, that's crazy. You're going to take a small school guy. I get he has some traits who is extremely inaccurate and did not really win in college.

That is ballsy. And I actually had a good buddy with the Chiefs was like, bro, I think this guy's a big time talent. He's got a chance. And my buddy was right, and clearly the bills were right. because there were people in the league that could kind of see it, but there have been a lot of Josh Allen's that turned into Anthony Richardson's or Trey Lances.

So it took stones, they got it right, and I would imagine that's a big reason that indebted him to the owner, right? Because he was one of the driving forces of doing that and then extending the contracts. But you watch the owner and you go, listen, I get you're an oil maverick

and made a lot of money in that industry, and you got some stones, but when a microphone's in front of your mouth, someone involved with the Buffalo Bills, needs to yank that thing around. They even asked them one question because of the new stadium, and I guess he got close to $900 million with taxpayer money, which I'm not like most in the media.

It's like, the taxpayers don't. I don't care. If I owned a team, I would try to get as much free money as possible. We all would. I mean, welcome to the real world. So it doesn't bother me as much as like people on Twitter. But they asked them, because you got all this free money, will you be available to just talk?

morning. He's like, yeah, yeah, I might be. And then after I was like, I do not make him available. This is what makes it way worse. Keep him away from the microphone. If he had a podcast, I think would go belly up quick. So the bills, I mean, all eyes now are on who they're going to hire, right? Look at the Ravens. Fired Harbaugh, they just feel pretty normal. Probably going to hire Minter. It was less controversial because it's not like they were going to fire De Costa. I mean, DeCasta was, it's well known. He's John Harbaugh's best friends. They're fucking neighbors. It's just very, very normal, right? And then you see the bills.

You're like, this thing, honestly, it had some, it had some similarities to, I remember going when Jim Harbaugh was fired and they ended up hiring Jim Tom Sula, but the post Jim Harbaugh firing press conference was as explosive and entertaining of a press conference in the postseason as you're going to get. They don't get any better. for them, that they thoroughly entertained me. Like, listen, you saw Ben Johnson today or Kyle and Lynch today, like, those are cool, get some nuts and bolts about what's going on,

maybe a headline or two. There's nothing like every question. You don't know where the bullets are going to fly and what's going to come. Because it's everyone you could tell they're up there on edge, all for it. My guess would be sitting here that Brian Dayball is the next coach, assuming Josh and him have a good relationship. And to my knowledge, they do.

so I would guess that's the easiest route. Like they're not going to hire some random coordinator. You can't take that type risk with this infrastructure already there. So betting man right now, it would be Brian Daibault. And if it's not, it would be someone else with some cachet. Because you can't just fire Sean McDermott and go hire, you know, Robert Sala. I mean, I know he's not available, but I'm just using him as an example. Some other coaching news that's pretty interesting.

There's a couple here. So the Steelers interviewed Mike McCarthy. I think the Steelers is a terrible job. I think the Steelers job, like they'll get to get a lot of credit. They've had three coaches in like 75 years. Cool, great. It's 2025. Their roster on paper looks terrible because it's a bunch of aging players that are making a ton of money.

And they have no quarterback. So like this Steeler team isn't exactly the one that Tomlin took over. Or the one like, you know, from the late 90s. with some great players. This is a team that I was short the majority of their players and is going to probably next year be a rebuild. I know the owner pushed back on that, but I haven't read one of those,

like 72 hours into the Mike Tomlin decision slash pressure he had felt for meetings. I haven't read that article. So I'm just taking it on face value that Mike Tomlin saw the writing on the wall. This thing was over. I'm jumping ship. Right? but the Steelers situation is something to me that's not that desirable.

And you can't, if you're going to lose Mike Tomlin, it's pretty hard sell to hire Mike McCarthy, who in a lot of ways is very similar. I mean, look at his run with the Cowboys. Had some good teams. Couldn't do anything in the playoffs. I mean, part of the problem with the Steelers, like, they've been competitive. They just get dominated by the good teams, especially in January. So if Mike McCarthy also, I was thinking about this today.

You're like, thinking about like Pat Riley. It's like, played and coached for the Lakers. Then I went to the New York Knicks. And then I basically created the Miami Heat. It's like, that's a hell of a run. Or Joe Torrey, he's like, won a bunch of championships with the Yankees and then went to the Dodgers. You're like, that's fucking badass.

That's sweet. You know, Mike McCarthy, coach for the Packers, Cowboys and the Steelers. Robert's always coach for the Jets and the Titans. I mean, think how lucky if McCarthy got this job and who knows. I mean, it's not like anyone has a great feel for where the Steelers are going to go. They might be able to sell themselves like, we could do a lot worse than this guy.

He knows how to work with some quarterbacks. He's look at Rogers, look at Dak Prescott. Like, there's no disputing McCarthy's. I'm not acting like he's the village idiot either. I'm just saying there's not much of a difference with the two. Now, the main difference is McCarthy can call plays. But I just can't get over. If McCarthy were to get that job,

it'd be one of the truly great resumes in the history of the league. The three franchises he got to coach. You could argue might be the three most iconic franchises, definitely three of the top five in the history of the NFL. And if we just did all of sports, including in American professional sports, I would say three of the top ten. You'd throw in the Yankees, you throw in the Lakers.

Probably throwing the Knicks. The Dodgers. I mean, the Packers, the Cowboys, and the Steelers. He's a fucking pretty short list. So listen, when people make fun of Mike McCarthy? I saw someone, you know, do people kind of judge him because he's fat? Is it the look? Is it, I don't know what it is.

My guess would be one issue people have with them. I mean, one of the Knox and with the Packers, it felt like Aaron Rogers talked down upon him, I didn't think he was that smart. And then they broke up and they acted like they had a great time together, which clearly they did early on. Then it got a little weird. And then Rogers made that comment after the end of the season,

how our society is reflective to all these coaches on the hot seat. It's like, Aaron, you were there when Mike McCarthy got fired in the middle of the year. I remember that. You lost Arizona. He got fired the next day. It's like, people get fired all the time. Welcome to pro sports. How many players have you seen run out of the building?

What are you talking about? But it was one of those sexy little, uh, press conference quotes that really had was the opposite of the truth. And I think Kansas City did something pretty interesting. Matt Nagy rolled the dice. He thought his boy Borganzi was in Tennessee. Callahan was in some trouble. He's like, I'm not going to sign an extension.

I'm going to play this out. Steve Spagnola did the same thing the year before. And we'll win big. And I'm either going to get a huge raise or I'm going to become a head coach. Turns out neither happened. because the Chiefs went 6 and 11, so his leverage to get a big race way off the table. If you remember last year, or in the last couple years,

Spagnola, I remember the 49ers tried to hire him. He got a massive raise in one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. Matt and Aggie, the team lost and was like, you're not getting a raise here, buddy. And then, you know, I think he thought he was going to Tennessee because we all kind of did. We just assumed like that was going to happen. Honestly, it was a little shocking when the headline and the story broke,

Robert Saul is the next head coach to the Titans. No one was more surprised probably than Matt Nagy. So now you got him interviewing in Philly, which I actually could see happening. When I got hired in Philly, Nagy was one of the lowest guys on the totem pole. He played college football with Veach and Delaware, was a longtime AFL quarterback,

worked his way up from a quality control guy to a quarterback coach. Obviously, he was a head coach. So I think one thing getting away from Andy, could really do wonders for him. And if he goes to Philly, a bright light market with a lot of people watching and had success

and get Jalen back on the right track, he could easily get a head coaching job next year. And bringing Eric Bienmi back for the Chiefs, I think they also hired Chad O'Shea as a wide receiver coach who spent a lot of years in New England. I think Andy's trying to button it up a little bit and get some guys that will just get in people.

Obviously, he knows everything. Eric really well, who is just, you know, kind of a throwback coach. And O'Shea coming from the Belichick tree, I think he's trying to put a little sense of urgency on the offensive side of the ball. One couple, you know, we all know these couples that they don't really make that much sense. You're like, how did these two people fall in love? You're like, I never would have guessed it, but they actually have a lot in common. Like politically, they're on the same page.

They enjoy doing the same things. you look at them, you're like, these two people? Really? It's like, yeah, they just fell in love. You know, it's hard. Love's a powerful thing. I would say that about Mike McDaniel and Jim Harbaugh. If you just saw the two of them, they couldn't look any more polar opposite.

Jim looks like the 60-year-old former elite athlete. He's a massive dude. Just alpha. Mike is this 5-9, 150 pounds soaking wet. Now he's rich. He's wearing Gucci shades. a $50,000 watch and fucking weird-ass pants. And he's going to be Harbaugh's offensive coordinator.

And honestly, it kind of makes some sense. They actually, when it comes to football, have similar philosophies. Mike McDaniel made his career under Kyle with the offensive line coach as the run game guru. So from a blocking standpoint in the run game, and even when he became the wide receiver coach, you don't block, you don't play. Like, that's a huge thing with the 49er. and has been throughout Kyle's tenure, going back to the Shanahan, his dad, and the Kubiaks, you got to block because they're a running offense.

And Mike McDaniel, he's gone viral before for like coaching clinics. He's big on blocking with your wide receivers. What does Jim Harbaugh want to do? He wants to run it 40 times a game. So while they don't look anything alike, Jim Harbaugh, we're the same thing every day. Mike has clothes that most of us couldn't even find on the internet if you gave us three days to look. and I think this thing could be good.

And if Mike McDaniel, if these guys are healthy, the two offensive linemen, they just have a first round running back hoot, I didn't really see it last year. Now give him an offseason, maybe a little overweight. I don't know, he just looked kind of slow to me. But they're going to have some pieces, and clearly they have a talented quarterback, who a lot of people think is kind of underachieved in the biggest moments because he has.

Mike McDaniel could, a lot like what happened to Robert Solo this year, He gets fired last year with the judge. Like, Robert Saul kind of sucks. Right? Look, you can't deal with that situation. Comes to the 49ers, everyone. Robert Saul is a badass. Interviewing all over the place, head coaching job.

Like, who's to say that? Wouldn't happen with Mike, especially if he can handle and things go well with Jim. So just a fascinating marriage, I cannot wait to watch. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet. Folks, playoffs, they've been nuts. And I hope you've been cashing in on these unexpected moments on Hard Rock Bet.

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Baker Mayfield, he let out this tweet on, I guess it would have been Tuesday because Kevin Stefansky said in a press conference about their quarterback situation, let me just find. the tweet. I don't want to screw it up. I think I need a new phone because the buttons don't really work. So here is the quote tweet from Baker Mayfield. The tweet came out from Kevin Sofansky that the Falcons Kevin Sifansky had a dumpster fire at quarterback in Cleveland. Baker Mayfield and Deshawn Watson failed, which started a chain reaction to the other 11 starters. Shador Sanders closed out last season with seven starts. And then I guess it was Orlando Ledbetter, who's one of like, I think the Atlanta Journal Constitution. kind of a throwback, a Big J. Jurno for Atlanta's big paper. Baker quoted it saying,

Failed is quite the reach, pal, still waiting on a text slash call from him after I got shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see you twice a year, coach. Clearly there is some bad blood between Baker Mayfield and Kevin Savansky. Joe Thomas then later quoted Baker's tweet saying, you could have reached out and called him, which I don't think that's usually how it goes. But I will say this about Kevin Stavansky. I was thinking about Sean McDermott. He gets fired. Now, he clearly had more success in Stafansky,

but every player on the bills is, I mean, from starting players to role players, is posting statements, is posting pictures. Clearly, his respect in that locker room was running pretty deep. I don't pretend to follow every Cleveland Brown player, but I haven't seen a peep, said by anybody. Do people like Kevin Stefansky?

I know he's smart, and people keep telling him he's a great offensive mind, but like, do the players like him? Kind of important. It kind of matters. So, like, does Baker have a point? Didn't call him to tell you, I'm going to trade you? Who do you think he are, Belichick? There is kind of an arrogance to Stefansky.

There's no debating that. You know, I know the media loves him, they think he's a fucking genius. I was thinking a couple years ago when they won with Flacco, weren't they a defensive team? Wasn't Jim Schwartz kind of carrying most of the load? I'd have to go back and really break down the stats. But, and he'd be like, well, look at his quarterback. Well, isn't that kind of his gig to figure out quarterbacks?

I mean, last year in the third round, and there's no way they draft a third round quarterback without the head coach who is the play caller and the quarterback guru without signing off on him, took a guy that most teams has undraftable. So I think this Stefansky thing, this is nothing against him personally. Like, I, nothing bad to say about him. I met him one time, nice guy. But when it comes to a football coach and the way he handles his business, I don't know, man.

I just think that he's kind of got this like media thing going. There's a Brandon, his personality is a lot different than Brandon Staley. But the media early on, there was a support behind him that feels, feels a little bit like that here. And then you read quotes like this, like you can't even call guys when you cut them and trade them. You know, starting quarterbacks.

I don't blame you practice squad guys. You got bigger fish to fry. But kind of embarrassing. It's like, where are the players coming out to be like, this is one of the best guys I've ever played for? Happens all the time. Happened to Dayball.

When Dayball got fired, a bunch of guys came out. And they weren't even winning. So I don't know. I just got that situation, Red Flag. Props to Baker for talking some shit. We need more of that. And last but not least on this rapid fire, which I don't know if it's a rapid fire, it went like 30 minutes.

The 49ers, like a bunch of teams do, most teams do. The coach and the GM, sometimes just the coach. They kind of give an end of the year, a little pressure to the media. And there was a lot going on. And one question that just had to be asked is a substation thing. Now, one thing I was hoping for, just because I think it would be such an explosive topic, would if one of the Super Bowl teams was practicing there

and refused to practice there because of the substation. But someone told me today that I think the two teams one practice is Stanford, one practice in San Jose, so I don't even think anyone practices on the Niners field.

So it'll be a non-topic in a couple weeks for the individual two teams to make the Super Bowl. But John Lynch did acknowledge it and it's something they have looked at and they're going to have to look at more. Because it is a topic. I've been saying this, it's not going away.

and I saw Dante Wittner say the number one the only thing that matters this offseason is figure out how to keep your guys healthy. That is the Niners number one priority and it should be number two, number three, number four, number five. How do we keep the players that we have on the fucking field? Because if we don't, we will not win. It's not going to happen.

They definitely benefited a little bit from a little easier schedule this year with some of their injuries. If they were playing better teams week in, week out, it would have been much more difficult. Given the team they were rolling. out. Fully healthy. Hell, they might have won the Super Bowl. They probably would have or at least been, I had a much

better effort against Seattle, but they got no chance to the group they're rolling out. And it all gets back to all these Achilles, all these ACLs, all these injuries. So I don't know where to even start when it comes to the study, but they better dive deep into it and figure some things out

and figure them out quick. They acknowledge that Brandon Ayuk will never play for the 49ers again. And I would would guess that his trade market will be, as Mike Dunleavy said about commingas, if a guy has a trade request, there needs to be a market. If not, there is no way to fulfill the trade request. It takes two to tango, right? And Brandon Ayuk's situation with the 49ers really just became a disaster and then pretty sad. As Kyle Shanahan said, in his 22 years of coaching, he's never not

been able to have a player just go dark on him. It's on his own team. They can't get a hold of him. Clearly, mentally, it feels like he's not in a good place. The videos went viral of him speeding around. But just a pretty sad story. And as John said, I mean, there's no way around. It's pretty embarrassing for the Niners. And clearly they have a regret of not pulling the trigger last year when they could have traded him. They should have traded him before the draft. but they were in this Super Bowl or bust mode and they thought they could have their cake and eat it too and it blew up in their face.

Now, no one would have saw this coming, but it came and now it's here and they're going to have to cut him. Luckily for them, for whatever reason, he didn't fight the money and they were able to get back $25 million of bonus money. A couple other things, Mack Jones, who I think is going to be a sexy name to kind of be a bridge quarterback like a Daniel Jones was last year, Calhianahan said today, like, I'd be stunned if he's not on the team.

And to me, what he's saying is like, obviously there are prices that you can't turn down for just about anyone in the NFL. But Mac Jones has a lot of value to us. Purdy's been hurt before. He's proven he can win games with us. We're not just giving them to someone because Andy's a cheap backup. Fourth round pick, here's Mack Jones. To me, I think it would take a top 50 pick for the 49ers to entertain getting rid of them.

I really do. Because his value to them is stronger than some late third round, fourth round pick. And I don't know if another team would do that. So my guess is there's probably truth to what Kyle is saying. I'd be surprised if Mack Jones is not on this team. Because his value to us and what we would need to part with them to any team that just needed a fill-in quarterback is probably more than they're willing to pay for this guy who's really on a one-year contract as well. But you never know, right?

You never know. Desperation is a powerful thing. Quarterbacks and the quarterback needs clearly pop up. Look how many teams have nothing at quarterback. They just need something serviceable. And he's a name to watch, but think about if I told you your team just gave up pick 40. And again, I don't know who's drafting 40, so I'm just put an arbitrary team in there. Pick 44 for Mac Jones.

It's a little rich. Gus Bradley will more than likely be Robert Sala's filling. And I think clearly when they hired Robert Sala, they knew at best they were going to have him a couple years that he was going to get rehired. And they were right. And he got hired probably faster than they wanted. But they also brought Gus to basically, as anyone that listened to Haberman, like he would eat lunch, like those guys would always be together.

They are very, very close. Gus hired Robert Sala when he was the coach of the Jacksonville Jags, his linebacker coach. So that's where Kyle got him from. And, you know, when you hire these guys who are kind of rocket ships, and I'm not acting like Saul is a rocket ship in the sense of like some future star head coach, but in terms of you know you're not going to be able to keep, it does behoove you to kind of have a replacement around and training with them. even if it's a guy that has experience and may have his own ways,

but just get them together and have them learn what you like. So it's an easy transition because I don't think Kyle wanted to go outside the building again like Steve Wilkes because that blew up in his face. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?

We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little,

Notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an occupier

hell a band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.

And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never. seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard

guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is.

Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things.

The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain a spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's go mailback. Add John Middlecough. Add John Middlecough is the Instagram firing those DMs. Get your questions answered right here on the show. We will start with Aaron. Big fan. Keep up the good work. guy. Eagles fan, fresh off the loss. Eagles offense has been incompetent all year, so this loss

was pretty predictable. Question, I'm stealing this observation from my brother, but I think it's a good one. Listen, we all, I still take from my wife or friends on text all the time that we use on the podcast. Never even credit them. You don't even need to credit. Just steal the take as your own. The Eagles are in a cycle of playing well, losing their OC, playing bad under a new OC, and then getting a new OC and playing good again. And my brother made the point that this is a direct result of Siriani being a CEO coach. Since he's not the head coach, an OC like a Shanahan or an Andy Reid, he's totally dependent on his offensive coordinator every year, whereas guys like Andy and Kyle don't lose their OC when they are good because they are the OC. I think you can see this a bit with other teams like John Harbaugh,

Dan Campbell, and other CEO head coaches. I saw Brandon Bean make a really good point today. and he said that at the end of the day, the first thing you need to do when hiring a coach, whether they're a play caller or not, is get a good leader. Because their role as the head coach is unlike anything they've done as a coordinator. Best case scenario,

you get the guy that can handle all the controversy that's flying his way. Because every day as a head coach, from injuries to internal fighting with coaches with players, to DUIs to arrests, to arrest. to you name it. That all falls on your desk. Think about, like, I'm at my desk right now,

or you're at your desk right now listening. And shit just hits the fan in whatever you're doing for a living. That comes immediately to you. But depending on what you do, like, there could be problems you don't have to mess with. It's nice. You're like, I'm not my issue.

When you're a head coach, there is no, that's not my issue. Problem in the training room. Problem in the equipment room. Fucked up in the cafeteria. Like, it kind of gets back to you. So, I, Siriani, just like all the other CEO head coaches,

they have to deal with all that stuff. But so does Kyle Shanhan, so does Sean Payton, so does Sean McVey. In a perfect world, you get both. There's just not that many of those guys. So if you hire the bad coach in terms of to call your plays or the wrong coach, you're just screwed. That's the reality with the CEO head coach. But it's no different like with these offensive coaches.

If Andy Reed had hired the wrong defensive coordinator, they probably don't have three Super Bowls. But he hired Spags. And his defense got dramatically better. They started rattling him off. Like Jim Harbaugh. If Mike McDaniel is really good and all of a sudden the Chargers are in the AFC championship game next year, he's going to look like a genius. But if their offense, which I'd be stunned if it does, but gets worse, he's going to get shit on. Because Harbaugh is just a CEO head coach.

Look at Dan Campbell this year. Hired Johnny Morton. So it's just there's an element of luck Like how well your players respond to the coach It's unknown Honestly hiring a coach A little like

A draft pick No one knew who Ben Johnson was five years ago But surely Dan saw it in him liked him, knew he was impressive And they gave him a shot And they never looked back I remember when the Bears initially Resigned DJ Moore

To the extension You brought up cost certainty And the value in knowing exactly how much a player will be paid in future seasons. With that in mind, most people have been saying since the Bears have an abundance of weapons, they should trade more for picks or defensive help. Do you think it would make sense to keep DJ and trade Rome, or Rome is currently on a cheap rookie deal around the same time as Caleb,

Rome will be getting a new deal that will definitely be more than DJ's current contract? plus since Rome is younger and a rookie deal we could get more back downside his Rome seems to have a better all connection with Caleb than DJ does in your opinion which is better I want to do really quick bring up I know Rome missed a bunch of games with injury

so if I go to the Bears and I go to the stat page the leading receiver for the Chicago Bears is the postseason let's go Rego season which what I would a guest, Colson Loveland, who had 58 catches, six touchdown. That's a great rookie season. 700 yards. I mean, that guy,

and I bet it really blew up toward the end. DJ had 50 for 6, and Rome had 44 for 6. And both of them had similar yards, and both of them had, DJ's a little lower on the yards per catch. They both have similar yards after catch.

That's a great question. I think you make them in a weird way both available and just see what the market is for them both. I would guess, I mean, DJ Moore, he's got to be close to 30. He's 28. He'll be 29 next season. Rome's age and just how, you know, recently he was drafted.

He'll be 24 next season. Probably has more value. But, I mean, this is a guy two years into his career. Like, he was drafted ninth overall. You're not getting a first round pick for Roma Dune's A right now. So would you trade him for a second when DJ Moore or would you rather have his cheap contract for another couple more years? You do have to decide next year if you're going to pick up his fifth year option.

You know, DJ, I would imagine is under contract for a couple more years. Yeah, it's complicated. I think you make them both available and you just kind of see what the market is for both. I would guess that DJ Moore at 28, 28, that's his cap hit, the next couple years. It's a little complicated. I mean, I guess you could get DJ an extension if you're another team. Rome would have more value just because he's younger and teams would have had really high draft

picks on him or high draft grades on him. So I think you can probably get a second round pick for Rome Madunzei. DJ probably not given his age, third contract, declining production, not all his fault. But Rome would have more value on the open market. It's kind of risky. Like you trade him and he goes on to be really good somewhere else. It's hard to kind of justify that. The pressure, let's just say you trade him for some pick in the 50s,

if you nail a starting middle linebacker, no one will care. I've been getting a lot of these questions. I'm from New Zealand. I'm wondering if your show can be watched on the New Zealand version of Netflix. It's not what the best way to watch, listen to your show, If not, what is the best way? Well, I didn't realize this, which I guess makes sense. I thought everyone, like if I was in London or I was in New Zealand or I was in Australia or Brazil,

I would just watch Netflix, but I guess every Netflix is different depending on the country. And right now our broadcast or our episodes are only hosted on Netflix USA. I have a little running notepad that I'm probably going to wait like a month to fire to the Netflix people who have been really cool. I mean, they sent me baby stuff and some headphones and all sorts of stuff, but it must be doing hopefully pretty well. That I have some ideas. Obviously, they're getting new to the game.

I've been in the podcast game for a decade. So I didn't know that till last week when people reached out. We have an international audience, which is cool. But right now it's only in Netflix America. This is a podcast. So it's Apple, Spotify. That's how this whole thing started. I mean, that's our business model.

Started with audio. We've shifted to video and audio. But Apple, Spotify, you can listen anywhere in the world. But right now, video-wise, only Netflix America. Which, again, it never crossed my mind that that even, I just assumed Netflix was just Netflix. Can we make a deal for next season? Let's agree to only call Herbert the Charger starting quarterback

until he wins a playoff game. I can't unsee it anymore. Regular season hero and then turns into playoff zero. He's like the James Hardin, a quarter, You can only put up three points versus the Patriots. It's not like he was playing the O2 bucks. The New England defense, I'm sure is respectable, but the players on it, even madden enthusiasts can't name.

Herbert, excuse me, the Chargers started quarterback is on the second contract and is multiple postseason flops. And before you give me all the reasons and excuses in the world, the franchise quarterback overcomes problems and deficiencies. So just giving us a list, proves my point. Heck, even Purdy won a playoff game after losing Kittle in quarter one. there's no disputing. Purdy, like, has,

like, if you're just talking, like, clutch and coming through, you have more faith in Brock Purdy than you do Justin Herbert. Listen, he's... It's why Harbaugh just hired a guy that wears capris and Gucci sunglasses.

You know, when you think Jim Harbaugh, you don't think Mike McDaniel. A little desperation. Because making Justin Herbert look good is really, really important. So there is a lot of pressure

on Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert next year. And really, it starts with Justin Herbert. Mike McDaniel made two look good. Think about that. Tua look good. Didn't lead the league in passing like three years ago? Before we got CTE? Hey John, I'm a big fan of the podcast.

From Australia. Breath of Fresh Air. Hearing your takes. Can you confirm your video content will be available in Netflix international markets? If not, we're not international right now. So I have some thoughts. Like I've said, I have a little notepad. I got a lot of notepads going.

Dad Diary Notepads. Takes Notepads. Netflix Idea Notepads. Reed Hastings should just hit me up because I've, I know this podcast rolled well. Started from zero, now we're here. So I have a pretty good idea of what works and it doesn't, but even just basic things that I just kind of kept an eye on because I just, you guys reach out to me.

I mean, part of my grassroots research comes from DMs and people hitting me up things I haven't thought about. And then I just turned them into takes of my own. So I appreciate you guys. Question for the back. Ben Johnson obsession with calling shotgun runs on third and short. All the conversation is going to be around this fourth down decision, but his third down calls are horrendous. I feel like he gets stuck in his head.

Four down territory. I hate shotgun runs. I hate not running Caleb. Ben Johnson was a stud this year, but I'm with you. I think the obsession with going forward on fourth down, there should never be a time in your life besides like I treat people well, right, or be nice to people, like something that never changes,

you should always be open to different ideas. And I believe that Ben Johnson and Dan Campbell, whenever they decided in a meeting room years ago in Detroit, that no matter what we go, was something that they believe to their soul that they haven't even thought about changing, which to me is crazy. It's like the math guys,

there's no convincing them that they could be. wrong. It's like, guys, we're not on an Excel spreadsheet. These are human beings. No, I'm telling you, this is no matter what, no, no, guys. This is not a good idea. Plus, if you are going to go for it, you have this quarterback

who is built like a tank and can fucking fly. Why don't you run him? I do not, and I'm not trying to act like I know more football than Ben Johnson. I think Ben Johnson's a stud. Like, he's, even today, his press conference was like, can you build on next year?

There's no building on next year, and he's right. You start back at square one every single year. Now, you build on it because your players improved. But, like, you go to OTAs, you just start back at running the most basic place and then build your way up. That's what the Patriots do. That's what the Chiefs do. That's what Ben Johnson's going to do.

And plus, the average turnover in the NFL roster-wise, this is not the NBA. I mean, most people are anywhere between 25 to 35%. Some teams, if you get new, coaches will like flip half the roster. So the turnover is immense in football. Cap casualties, trades, new draft picks. So you just get brand new players. It's not the same team. They're going to be guys like DJ Moore could just not be there. Cole Komet could just not be there. They're going to have brand new players on defense. So from square one, like it's kind of true. What was your question?

Oh, the upset. I just don't understand why he doesn't run Caleb. They did it with Josh Allen, a quarterback power. Why wouldn't you just install a quarterback power? Because the other thing is Caleb's smart. When's the last time Caleb took a big hit? It's not like he's getting mollywapped running around. I don't get it.

Do you know if Netflix plans on making podcast user-friendly? I can't lock my screen and listen like I used to. I took a screenshot of this question for the mailbag because I was confused. I can listen to my, I listened to the Tom Brady interview with the spit and chicklet guys just like I would on the other platforms or even a podcast form. I clicked it off and it would just press play and you listen to it in your pocket. I did that last week and I've had my team, we all looked at, everyone's doing it. So when I saw this, you can lock your phone and listen to it.

It stops, sometimes immediately, and then he's hit play and it shows up. With my iPhone, it does. So I have not had an issue with that. Yeah, that would be my take on that thought. If you were Woody Johnson, wouldn't you be begging Bill and Josh to come to the Jets? Well, why would Josh, I think you're mean Josh McDaniels, why would Josh ever get with Bill again? Bill's a sinking ship.

Like, part of life, you know, in the real world, In business, like, once you disassociate with something that's going the wrong way, you don't run back to it. And once you get involved in something that's working, you kind of double down on it. So to me, Josh, even if he had the opportunity, would be out of his mind to join Belichick with the Jets and leave Vrabel in May. I personally think Vrero, or Belichick's unhirable. I really do. I didn't say that a year ago.

A lot's changed. This year in North Carolina was a complete embarrassment. It really was. And part of it's her, but like she's part of him now. There's no way around it. You have this like 75-year-old former legend that has lost his fastball. And we just saw, I think the Pete Carroll situation makes it even worse. Bill's a huge ego guy.

I think Bill is untouchable. I really do. And it's crazy to say, I'm not a Belichick hater. I idolized the Patriots in terms of how they ran. Anyone I've ever met there, I always just pepper them with questions, fascinated by it. I think what they stood for and did for 20 years

is one of the coolest things in my sports watching career. And Bill and anyone that will tell you that was around there is a main driver of it. But that car's crashed and that thing's over. I hear you and Colin say Trevor does not have a great great arm in terms of strength, but not saying I disagree, but what specifically makes y'all say that? I get that he doesn't have a rocket like Caleb on a consistent basis, but I feel like he can make every throw. Not having a big arm doesn't mean you can't make every throw. Dak Prescott can make

every throw. And when you say every throw, I don't mean ad lib on the run Caleb throws. I just mean, can you throw the deep out? Can you throw the deep post? Can you throw a go route? Like, Alex Smith could make every throw. Kirk Cousins could make every throw. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Caleb, you know, Kyler Murray, some of these guys just do it much better with much more power. So Trevor has a fine arm. Trevor has like most quarterbacks in the NFL, good arm. Like he has an NFL standard, you can function with it. And when he really lets it rip, like he can drive throws. Was it the playoff game that he drove the throw in the back of the end zone? It was a dot. I wouldn't say as

If we're ranking 1 to 10 Right and 5 is just kind of middle ground Like 0 or 1 would be like Dylan Gabriel You know 4 or 5 would be like Alex Smith 7 would be like Baker Mayfield Right I'd say like 910 once you start getting Mahomes Josh and Caleb and guys like Fav

Peyton Manning was like a 4 or 5 You don't need a great arm to be a great player I would say Trevor probably is like six would be and there's nothing wrong with that what do you think of Amazon bringing back Al Michaels to call their games Thursday night football

it's really important I think to the league to have Thursday night and Monday night be a big deal so years ago when the Monday night crew when Gruden went back to the Raiders it fell apart and ESPN took a lot of

pressure from the NFL of like, you've got to fix this. If you want Super Bowls, if you want our best games, this got to be big league. It cannot be Little League. So what did ESPN do? They gave like $30 million a year combined was Troy make like 18, Buck makes 12 for Fox's number one team. What did Amazon do when they first got the NFL? They hired Al Michaels, one of the most legendary play-by-play guys ever. So a big game. The problem is Marve Albert is one of the greatest play-by-play guys as well. At the end, Marv couldn't see what was going on. And basketball is different than football, but I remember watching so many games on T&T and like, Marv's lost it. It's like, Linscombe used to throw 97, now he throws 82. And Marv was throwing about 50. I don't know if I was

throwing 50, but he doesn't have his fastball anymore, which is understandable. He's in his 80s. So I think that broadcast, I don't think anyone would complain if you, you'd just hired Guy Haberman and some famous player, Philip Rivers. I know Philip wouldn't do it, Drew Brees, whatever. It'd be fine. But I think the star power of Al Michaels is something like, clearly they really like, which I would totally understand if Al was still in his prime. And his prime went pretty long, but his prime's over. And I've, you know, studied broadcasters. And I don't mean like podcasters or even radio hosts, but watching guys' career and people he has to kind of navigate through and try to get jobs, they never give it up.

Play-by-play guys never give up the mic. Greg Papa fought leukemia, fought leukemia, literally during the football season and still came back for a game. It's just the way they're wired. because in play-by-play gigs, if someone else sits there, it's not like Al's like, yeah, just fill by spot.

Like, you ain't thinking like that. And at this point in time, does Al Michaels need the money? So I just think it's the wiring of play-by-play people. They will never give up the microphone. Radio people, when I worked in radio, were kind of like that.

Like, they were uncomfortable taking vacation. Because guess what happens? Someone fills in for you. What happens then? Well, what if the rating book goes up. That's how I got hired in radio. I filled in and the time slot I filled in did really well ratings wise. So my boss, it's not like he cared or liked me anymore than the next guy, but it was just a numbers thing. He's like, well, if I make this guy the host, we could do a higher number. So, you know,

play by play guy is not based necessarily on that, but people just don't give out the mic. So I would love someone else in there, but they're very loyal to this crew, which I just, I like Herb Street on college. I don't really want to watch them on Thursday night. It has nothing against him. I just would like an NFL guy there. Maybe I discriminate against him because I view him as a Saturday guy, but it kind of matters to me. And I don't just need any, I just would ideally like someone good. The problem is they tried. Remember, they tried years ago. They thought they'd get Sean McVeer or John Lynch. And they offered them both like $15 million.

They both turned it down. Sean almost went, which if he wins the Super Bowl, he will 100% not regret. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What's up, fam, it's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I can. got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He's running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like. After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place.

As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, season two goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you write? represent that.

They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Huge fan. I started my first office job a few years ago and discovering your podcast gets me through. Appreciate you. Listening while you're grinding in the office. I know the 17th game is a rotating interconference game based on previous year standings,

but I think it was major missed opportunity by the NFL. It would have been a lot cooler if they made it a set interconference opponent each year, like added a rival. There are already so many natural AFC NFC rivalries, Dallas Houston, Philly Pittsburgh, Jets Giants, etc. Any non-natural matchups would immediately become natural rivalries due to familiarity. They could even play twice in years of divisional rotations run into each other. other. I didn't know if you realize that to me is the reason they don't do it. You can't,

they wouldn't want an intercom or a, you know, AFC, NFC matchup twice in a season. So you play, if I'm Dallas, I play Houston every four, once every four years, right? It rotates. I play all the divisions on a rotating basis. Well, the year when I play the AFC South, if I'm the NFC East, I can't be playing the Texans twice. I can't go like, Giants, Texans, Eagles, commanders, Texans. You can't. The league ain't going to do that. Because I don't know if there are enough.

Right. Okay, you brought up some good ones. You go Niners, Raiders. You could go Jags or dolphins, bucks. I mean, you could, but what does Seattle do? What does Arizona do? What does, you know, you start?

like Minnesota, like, I don't know. I think it's a little more complicated with some of the teams. I hear what you're saying. It would be cool if the Jets and the Giants and the Chargers and the Rams, the Niners and the Raiders and the Cowboys and the Texans played every year. But that's just, that's never going to happen. Because, like you said, the divisional rotation, you couldn't have a season where they played each other twice.

Can you imagine if we had to watch the Jets and the Giants twice this year? Holy shit. How do player incentives work? Do teams have a set money aside and separate from the salary cap to account for the season incentives? I think they, I'm pretty sure, they roll over to the following year. So if you pay, let's just pick a number, $5 million incentives to all your different players, right? Let's say it's 10. It rolls over to the cap the following year is, to my knowledge.

Because obviously, most teams are against the cap on the given season, so it doesn't stay on that cap. It rolls over to the next year. Question for the pod. Do you plan on doing a preseason preview on Go Low? Expectation for the majors. New names to look out for. Any chance the PGA just lets Kepka back in right away. I just with the baby,

the Go Low, we have separated it, different podcast feed on the audio, and we have a video platform as well. I just haven't had any time. You know, they kicked off last week the Sony Open. Chris Got her up, who was incredible. He looks pretty good. Just one.

This week, they're playing in Palm Springs. Scotty's in the field. I will plan on... Usually I get kicked up with golf right after the Super Bowl. It's just... I mean, I'm kind of bored. I would have done it today. But I just...

I got to be with my family. Got to be present with my son. I just haven't had as much time. But I've been following. I was looking at like... You know, Max home is like 120 to 1. I'm like, did I take him top 10? Like 10 to 1?

So I have the Sony open on. last week in the office with the football game. I just, I will do some stuff. Probably in a couple weeks for sure. I'm a big fan. My older brother just had his first child at Christmas and I brought him a tiny Dallas Cowboy jersey because I'm a cowboy fan myself

and want him to join the misery. Question, if you had to choose the NFL team for your newborn, who would you choose make a pick? Taking into account future success prospects, not jumping on the bandwagon, I'm a big believer and it happens organically. Like, why did I grow up liking the San Francisco Giants, the San Francisco 49ers, the Sacramento Kings?

Because I grew up in Davis, California. If I would have been born in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, or Hoboken, New Jersey, I would have gravitated toward the Eagles, the Giants, the Mets, the Phillies, most human beings are a product of where they live. Now, that's where I draw the fucking long. mind. I wouldn't let my son be an Arizona Cardinal fan if there was money coming my way. That will not be tolerated. Unless the Bidwell family sells, we get a real guy, then we could be

open. But I can't control what he likes. Who's to say that he even likes sports? I hope he does. But there's no guarantee. What if he likes, you know, my brother's like big duck hunter. Just went duck hunting in Idaho. Like, you do stuff that I don't like. You just never know kid to kid what people are going to gravitate toward what they're going to like uh we all have different likes than our own siblings so i i don't know i mean i would if he likes to paint hope he's fucking picasso i i hope he likes football i definitely hope he likes golf so we can play a lot and get out of the house uh that'd be awesome i won't even need an excuse but me and jack are headed the course but there's just no guarantee i mean shit i was reading him a book today i had to have

explain shows you how out of the loop i am with kids the black and white books you know they They don't see color. So I was just reading him the book like, here's the fish. Here's the star. And she looks at me. She's like, you know you have to put that in front of his face so he can see the pictures. I'm like, new dad didn't know that. But so I did that.

You know, it's like, here's the shark. You just never know. We got a long way to go. We're not even seven days into this bad boy. But Cardinals not allowed. I'd be open to whatever. I would tend to lean in pro sports just. There's no, I mean, football, you never know.

I mean, it's, by the time he's 10, Josh Allen will be retired. I would like him to be something fun. Quick question. Do you think the future will see more teams opt to fire their current non-offensive head coach in lieu of the WizKid offensive coordinator? Lions are missing Ben Johnson.

They had him in the building. I think it's easier said than done. Like, what are you going to do, fire Dan Campbell last year after being the number one seed? What are you going to do, fire, you know, I mean, is Kellyn Moore even a better coach than Siriani? But okay, Kellynne Moore over Siriani. Todd Bowles, last year they were in the playoffs.

You're going to fire him for Liam Cohen? I think it's way easier said than done. I really do. So it will happen. There will be a situation where it happens. I just think it's very, very difficult if, like, you were just in the AFC championship game. You know, like our guy's a whiz kid, he's going to get hired.

I mean, look at the Falcons. Do you think years ago, like looking back, they should have just hired Kyle Shanahan. But how are you going to hire Kyle Shanahan and fire Dan Quinn? I mean, it happens constantly. I just think it's easier said than done. And it's also easier after the fact. Question for the mailbag.

Whether there's truly a dominant team in college basketball, we always ask the question. Could they beat an NBA team? Could it happen? and it seems the answer is always unequivocally no. I'm wondering if this is the same for college football. As dominant as Indiana has been this season, and especially in the playoffs, would they, or any dominant college team like 19 LSU with Burrow,

have a chance to win a game against an awful NFL team? Like this year's Titans, Raiders, Jets, I think it depends. If you told me the end of the year for like a one or two years, win team and their players are injured and you're rolling out a bunch of practice squad guys and you gave me an all-time great college team. It would have to be loaded both side of the ball with pros. I would say, yeah, I'd give you a shot. Now, week one, when people are healthy, like the Raiders. The Raiders are drafting number one. Week one, the Raiders, fully healthy, Brock Bowers, Max Crosby, Gino Smith, Jacoby Myers, Ashen Genty, the Indiana,

would get killed. Max Crosby would dominate that game. How would they cover Brock Bowers? In fairness, people in the NFL can't cover. Indiana's, you know, that corner that, is he a small school guy like Kent State or whatever they got? Pretty good. But think about this. Miami in that game would actually have a better chance than Indiana.

Why? Because they have way more pros on the offensive and defensive line. The crazy part about Indiana is beside Mendoza, Some people will say they don't have a top 100 player. Surrott going in the top 75. The corners 5'9, probably not. I don't know if the left tackles coming out. It was the offensive linemen of the year.

Most people view them as a guard. Running backs are solid, but what are they? Third day picks. So they're probably a bad example. Some of like the sweet Ohio State teams. LSU I don't think it was good enough on defense. Bama would probably be more. You need defense.

as much as offense. Like, if you had a great offense like LSU, but your defense, they had Stingley, but I think they had Patrick Queen too, you would need, you know, BAMAD teams where, or Georgia, it's like nine of our guys were first rounders and had 10-year careers in the NFL,

and four of them were pro bowlers. But again, you would have to play the worst team at the end of the year when all their backups and practice squad guys were playing. Like the Jets. There's no way Indiana or my, Amy could beat the Jets week one. I mean, week one, they had sauce, they had Quinn and Williams, they had Garrett Wilson,

they had Brees Hall, even Justin Fields running around, they had multiple high picks on their offensive line, multiple pass rushers. You'd have no chance. But like, who on India, you think Indiana can block Jeffrey Simmons on the Titans? But at the end of the year when they're playing with a bunch of guys that aren't going to be in the NFL next year, yeah, I'd be open to it. I really would. NBA, I think it would be a lot harder.

But look at the NBA now. A third of the league is tanking. When I was, the cafeteria was like downstairs. It was actually, actually was pretty shitty at the hospital. There was Starbucks down there as well. When I was walking, I saw a lamello ball. I actually walked by him twice. And I needed to think, like, are the sons trading for this guy?

Could I be Shams right now on break news? And I think he was just getting his ankle check because they were in L.A. one day. and then Golden State the following day. So maybe stopped in Phoenix at the hospital. I don't know. But it was something I was like, that's the lamella ball. Way bigger in person.

I'm like, that's a big fucking dude. Say this about LeVar. I got to produce some kids. A couple NBA players and a rapper. Props to the LeVar Ball. Adios. Talk to you later. The volume.

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Nice. We did a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

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