The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Black Monday REACTION, which coaches are OUT and who is SAFE

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff reacts to a wild black Monday in the NFL that saw Pete Carroll, Jonathan Gannon, and Kevin Stefanski and Raheem Morris all get fired. John dives i...nto what's next for these teams and if any of them made the wrong decision. Later, John talks about Matt Ryan likely headed towards taking a job with the Falcons organization and how that could impact his job at CBS. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 03:37 - Black Monday in the NFL 21:49 - Matt Ryan and the Falcons 28:56 - Zoned In 35:48 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:43 of Black Monday, all fired. We will dive into some thoughts with those guys. Some of the GMs did survive. We'll discuss selective accountability. And this Matt Ryan story, how it looks like he's going to be an executive for Atlanta, but keep his television job, have some thoughts there as well.
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Starting point is 00:03:40 We saw earlier this season. and it was incredible theater. So buckle up, baby. So let's just dive right in to the Black Monday. And the Raiders, the Arizona Cardinals, and the Cleveland Browns all fire their coaches. I mean, well before you're probably finished breakfast depending on where you lived.
Starting point is 00:04:00 I mean, when I woke up, slept in a little bit this morning, but Stefanski was already done. I think by the time Jonathan Gannon, at least my time in here in Arizona, it was like maybe 9 o'clock in the morning. Pete Carroll was felt inevitable. And I think when you look at those three guys situations, I think becoming a head coach,
Starting point is 00:04:20 there is something that clearly makes or breaks you. Listen, we harp on ownership. We harp on the relationship with a GM. But at the end of the day, if you get the quarterback right, you're not only going to survive, you're going to win games. You know, getting in a relationship
Starting point is 00:04:37 or getting in a business partnership with another individual, can change your life for the good or the bad. I know a lot of people in my life that have gone through divorces and they get pretty ugly, especially financially. If you get married to the wrong woman, it can have major consequences. If you get into business with the wrong person,
Starting point is 00:04:59 it can be a disaster. And I'm not just talking money. I'm talking emotional stress that comes along with it. You dedicate a lot of your life to these things. No different than a football coach. They spend countless hours in the office, honestly, probably too much. Saw Signetti went on a rant about these guys. You don't need to work 20 hours a day.
Starting point is 00:05:19 You know, Bruce Ari has been saying this forever. You don't need to be in the office until 1 o'clock in the morning. What are you doing? We're playing football here, right? We're not reinventing a bridge. And I think all these guys share a common characteristic. They got in bed with the wrong quarterback. It was pretty simple.
Starting point is 00:05:35 You know, when you look at Pete Carroll, he went with Gino Smith, who was 35 years old, who he had some success with the Raiders. Now, you could argue it wasn't all his choice. There were some rumors that Tom Brady was anti-Sam Donald. Clearly, wrong decision there, and clearly the right decision for Sam Donald to go to Seattle. But Gino-Smith was a disaster. I mean, simply put, a disaster.
Starting point is 00:05:59 19 touchdown, 17 interceptions, was 2 and 13 in the games he started, and was just not very good. turn the ball over at way too rapid of a rate and you couldn't win with them. And clearly their team is not good enough to overcome average quarterback play, let alone bottom five or six quarterback play in the league. Arizona. Jonathan Gannon accepted a head coaching job when he was in a great situation
Starting point is 00:06:24 that he could have been, I would say somewhat choosy with where he went with Kyler Murray. And listen, at the end of the day, at this point in time, like, this is nothing personal. but this is just a reality to the NFL. Kyler Burr's gotten a lot of people fired. Cliff Kingsbury, run out of town. Steve Kime, run out of town. Jonathan Gannon, run out of town.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Awesome for the GM is going to survive and he's going to run Kyler out of town. So Kyler was one of those guys. If you went all in on him and he became your quarterback, you were not going to have a job long. And he was going to make a lot of money while you were around him. And it did not go well. And listen, he got hurt on their watch.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Obviously, he didn't play very well when he did. I mean, he essentially got benched this year. They can say it was the injury, but clearly Jacobi was way better. And then when you look at Kevin Stefansky, I'm not putting the Deshaun Watson situation all on him. Who only Andrew Barry, Stefansky and Jimmy Haslam and probably Mugeta truly knows the dynamics how that deal got done. But that thing was an absolute train wreck. and Jimmy Haslam's not going to fire himself for that because he signed off on the contract. But here was the thing, and I was thinking about this this morning.
Starting point is 00:07:42 They gave Stofansky the opportunity to kind of find his purdy. Maybe not at that level, but just a guy that could just get them going in the right direction. Kevin Stafansky did not need to make the playoffs this year. This was a season for the Browns where if he had drafted a guy in the second, third, or fourth round, and just had them competitive, you know, I would say, between seven to nine wins and just kind of in the mix, win some big games,
Starting point is 00:08:10 and just look like a functional organization. I think Kevin Stavansky would still be the coach in Cleveland. But you can't convince me that when they took Dylan Gabriel, that he wasn't all over that. Because that is the type quarterback that those type coaches like. I remember when Kyle Shanahan first got the job,
Starting point is 00:08:29 he drafted C.J. Bethard in the third round. It was an insane pick at the time. But he likes guys like that. He drafted Rourke the quarterback from Indiana last year in the seventh round. We see a lot of these guys in the Shanahan system. Shaw McVeigh drafted Sesson Bennett in the fifth. They don't need, like they will gravitate toward guys that the scouting community will be like, what?
Starting point is 00:08:54 And the Dylan Gabriel situation was an epic disaster. He can't play. So, like, I would even separate the Shador thing because who knows the dynamics and that? I think the owner was heavily involved. But to me, once he got his opportunity to just get them moving, his choice was borderline unplayable. And I think that that had to play a huge factor. And I think you see all three of these guys.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Gino Smith got a decent amount of money they traded a third round pick for. Kevin Stefanski used a third round pick on Dylan Gabriel. Most people I knew in the league that he was an undrafted free agent. And obviously, Jonathan Gannon just took a job where they were heavily invested. in Kyler Murray. And when you take that job, you go, yeah, I can make it work.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Because you want to say that. You get this huge raise. You start making way more money. You know, and then it blows up in your face. And obviously this year, they had a million injuries and they were just a train wreck. I mean, they haven't won a game in forever. And honestly, they weren't even playing that bad
Starting point is 00:09:53 yesterday against the Rams. It just, the war of attrition as the game went on, the Rams just started run circles around them. So I think you've got to be very careful. And the number one thing I would tell all these guys, and I get it. It's, it's, these are ambitious people. And I'm not just talking Janin and Stefanski and Pete Carroll,
Starting point is 00:10:13 but I'm just talking a lot of coaches in the league. They want to be at the head of the conference table, not on the side. Right. That is what they aspire to do. They don't want to make suggestions. They want to make decisions. They want to go. And financially, it has a huge, huge impact on,
Starting point is 00:10:30 you make a lot of money being a coordinator relative to the rest of society. You know, a lot of these guys, if their OCs or DCs are making $2, $3, $4, $5 million if you're a guy like Robert Salah. But you want to be a head coach. And becoming a head coach can pay you $8, $10, $12 million. Ben Johnson last year was making a lot with the Lions. And then he became the head coach of the Bears and makes $13 million a year. So there's financial aspects of it. There is just ambition, you know, in someone's soul and what they aspire to do.
Starting point is 00:11:00 there is want to take your shot at the highest level against the best of the best, but you better know what you're doing when you sign up and the quarterback position more than all the other positions changes the course of your life. Professional. No different than like I said, who you marry and who you get into business with.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Because if you make the right decisions on those, life's great. As well as it can be. Obviously there are twists and turns always, we don't control anything. But it makes life a lot easier. and these guys, you know, just had quarterback situations that became, you know, toxic, fast. It did not work.
Starting point is 00:11:39 And they all got fired. And I said the same thing on Sunday night about Rahim Morris. What got Rahim Morris fired was the month stretch where he gave Kirk Cousins two years for your contract, but he gave him $200 million. And they drafted Michael Pennix number eight overall. Two years later, Cousins has made, I think, 90. to $100 million, and Pennix has torn ACO. That's why he got fired.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Full stop, you know, because that led them to losing games. And I think it's no different with these guys. So, and that leads me to like the selective accountability. You know, when guys are hired GMs and coaches, like tandem duo, they're on the same contract. They both have five years. Here's the problem is when you're winning, everything's great. People are arm and arm. The city loves both guys.
Starting point is 00:12:35 You know, positive reinforcement from the fan base, from the ownership. When you are losing, no different than life. When shit hits the fan, you find out someone's true colors. That's how football is. Because when you start losing, people start pointing fingers. And that's where coaches very quickly can be out on a professional island. Because every time that we're sitting on our couch watching these games on Sunday, where are the general managers?
Starting point is 00:13:01 They are typically in a suite with the owner. And here's the other thing. The language the coaches speak, X's and O's, a language that most human beings, even scouts and people in the front office, can't speak the language of an offensive or defensive of a coordinator or a head coach or a special team.
Starting point is 00:13:23 They don't speak that language. Well, the owner definitely doesn't speak that language. What language is the GM speak? Contracts. Basic players. This guy's good, this guy's bad. Talking the draft. Coaches during the season have a whistle around their neck
Starting point is 00:13:39 and they're obsessed with plays on offensive defense and what will work on Sunday. I mean, the owner obviously chimes in and talks, but he speaks English, they speak Chinese, which is football. So they can't communicate on the same wavelength. I'm not talking every coach. I'm just saying,
Starting point is 00:13:57 once you get in trouble, the GM is speaking more what they can understand. And here's the other thing about the GMs. They don't want to lose their job because unlike coaches, most general managers get one GM job in their career. A lot of coaches like Kevin Stavansky, there's a decent chance Kevin Stafansky is going to be hired in the next like two weeks. If Andrew Barry was fired, there's no guarantee that he's getting another job, not just this cycle, but many cycles.
Starting point is 00:14:27 He could just be a number two for a while. We've seen a lot of guys be GMs. Thomas Tremitrov had a really, really good run in Atlanta. Drafted Matt Ryan, drafted Julio Jones. They went to an NFC championship game. They went to a Super Bowl. Never been to GM again. Never will be.
Starting point is 00:14:43 That's just over. Dan Quinn, meanwhile, he got a second shot. How's that going in Washington? Last time I checked, not great, but they get a second shot. And I think that's the thing with GMs. that they are in survival mode, just like a lot of people. You know, I worked in the corporate world for a couple years in radio, and I had never been in that environment.
Starting point is 00:15:02 And I just saw all these people that are just survivors. And many of you that are watching or listening this can relate. People in management positions, they're like, what's this guy do? I don't know, but he'll do anything to keep that job that pays him six figures. He will do absolutely anything. And that's no different than GMs. Because you can't convince me, like, how does the face? Lose his job and Andrew Barry keep his job.
Starting point is 00:15:26 How does Brian Dayball lose his job and Joe Shane keep his job? How does Jonathan Gannon lose his job and Monti Austin Fort keep his job? Pretty easy because they forced the coach on this island and they get cozy up with the owner. And the owner likes them more and trusts them more. And he can badmout them where when they're in the middle of the game, getting their ass kicked. even though they bear the responsibility. I watched John Spitech's press conference today. The first thing he says is,
Starting point is 00:15:59 I bear more responsibility on this than Pete Carroll. Now, the difference in that situation, I would say, than Joe Shane and Dayball, then Awesome Fort and Jonathan Gannon, it was clear when they hired Pete Carroll. Like, John Spitech and Pete Carroll were not arm in arm for the next 20 years. Pete Carroll is 75 years old.
Starting point is 00:16:16 They just wanted him to get the train going in the right direction. It turned out Pete Carroll should have retired and never come out of retirement. And they made a mistake. But these other guys showed up with the younger coach and did it together until they started losing and then the coach did it by himself.
Starting point is 00:16:31 It's like, oh, that's his fault. You know why? Because they say, my players are good. I don't know Monti Austin Fort at all. But I know this. He had the fourth overall pick a couple years ago. And he took Marvin Harrison Jr., who is clearly not the most talented player
Starting point is 00:16:46 in his own draft class. Malik Neighbors, who went two spots, It's better. Everyone in the league, if you gave the opportunity to take one or the other and it's not like, well, one guy's hurt, well, the other guys hurt too, would take Malik neighbors. But here's the thing. Your offensive line stinks. Why not lean the line of scrimmage? Well, who did Jim Harbaugh take the pick after Marvin Harrison Jr.? Joe Alt, who, when he's on the field, is an all pro. And who would Jim Harbaugh have taken if he had the choice between Marvin Harrison and Joe Alt? He would have taken Joe Alt.
Starting point is 00:17:21 So I can go like, and you go, John, you can play Monday morning quarterback on these picks. True. But when you have these high picks, why should I trust you? So I think this league, like any business, becomes backstabbing so fast, finger pointing and trying to push the responsibility on others when you are equally to blame and you should, you know, get the acts as well. But I do understand if I was these GMs knowing that like, Jonathan Gannon, he'd go somewhere, be a D.C. for a couple years and get another shot.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I will not. So it's just kind of the nature of the beast, and it's the way that we have kind of, you know, created these allegiances that have been going on since the beginning of the sport. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet. The official sportsbook partner of the AFC South champion, Jacksonville Jaguars. Duvall is going to be jacked up this weekend. You know what I love doing with these standalone playoff games? same game parles, baby. Lock in one matchup at a time and stack your picks. Maybe a quarterback throws for 250 yards.
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Starting point is 00:24:50 Clearly a very, very smart guy. But Tom Pellasaro reported today that Matt Ryan plans, like all signs are pointing to him to become this role that like Tony Buselli got last year, which is like, I'm not the GM, I don't own the team, but I'm like somewhere above the GM. Spielman in Detroit has a similar role. And they're like, we're going to do that with Matt Ryan. I was like, oh, I totally. I have no issue with those type moves.
Starting point is 00:25:20 If Philip Rivers wanted to do something like that, I'm like, do it. That's awesome. I'm excited to watch you. Here's the problem. It was reported today that Matt Ryan plans on continuing to do TV. I went, what? That's not the way this thing works. You'd be like, well, Tom Brady does it.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Here's the difference. Tom Brady bought into the country club. Tom Brady is an owner. So now we can disagree with his tactics, still living in Florida, playing golf, hanging out, enjoying life, while talking to SpyTech and kind of dictating the terms. in Vegas while not living there, is that an ideal situation? Of course not. But he paid for the right to do that. These other guys are being paid like Tony Buselli, Spielman, or Matt Ryan to be an executive,
Starting point is 00:26:10 to compete against Brian Gutikins, especially if you're in the NFC, like Atlanta, Howie Roseman. Jason Light, I know they had a bad season, but last I checked, Jason Light's been in this business for like 25 plus years. And is widely considered one of the best GMs. John Snyder, less need, John Lynch. You don't see, you know, John Lynch is going to be, you know, like the president, GM, but he's still going to do some Fox games. You know why that's not possible. You can't be in an industry as competitive as football with as much on the line against people that are grinding seven days a week, 365 days, and have a shot to compete. Because I'll say this about Tony Bisselli. I looked up at the Jags game multiple times this year. Him, Gladstone the GM, are on the field,
Starting point is 00:26:54 their hugging Liam Cohen. He's traveling with the team. He's full time. This is his job. It's not like I, you know, I turn on TV and there's Tony Bisselli calling games on Sunday. That's not how it works. And I don't blame Matt Ryan if they give you the right. Like, you don't deserve anything you get what you negotiate. So clearly Matt Ryan wants his cake and eat it to. Don't blame him at all. But it is not realistic to do the job a couple days a week. You have no chance on God's Green Earth to be. be competitive doing it that way. You just don't. Not when you have a bunch of juice that are making decisions. Not against a John Schneider or Howie Roseman that this is their life. They're 10
Starting point is 00:27:35 toes down. You know, I'll use myself as an example. A couple years ago, I used to do multiple podcasts and I got to the point where I'm like, I'm kind of spreading myself thin. And I told Colin like, this thing started kind of taken off. I'm like, I'm going all in on this. You know, this is, this is all I'm going to do. I'm not going to spend any of. other time, other shows. I had a local show in the Bay Area. Even when I moved to Arizona, I'm like, it's taking too much out of me. And to get this where I want to go, I have to give all my energy into this. And it's the best thing and financially it's the smartest thing I've ever done by a mile. And I knew I had to do it because you only have, especially as you get older in competitive industries,
Starting point is 00:28:17 you only have so many bolts in the gun. And there's a small select group of people that can dominate. like seven, eight things. Most human beings, even the richest people, are pretty dialed in on one or two. And it takes all your energy. It takes all your effort, right? All of it. And I just don't think it's possible. Even a job like you just sitting there on a set, it's not even that difficult. It does take time. Because you know what on Sunday? He could be at a venue talking with the opposing team, talking with players, just getting a feel for him. There's a reason these GMs travel with the team. it is beneficial. So I understand Matt not wanting to give up his, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:01 responsibilities with TV and all the different income streams. Like, I get it. But I'd also say if you want a chance to be good at this job against the best in the business, because the NFC, here's the one thing you'd say about the NFC, ton of good front offices. I mean, a lot that are now combined with really good coaches. and there's a reason Atlanta's been getting fucking drubbed, belt two ass, Arthur Smith,
Starting point is 00:29:26 and then the last couple years, have not gone above 500 with the amount of talent they had on their team. And that's with two guys, two guys they just fired that were all in, that that was their only job, trying. So it shows you how difficult it is, it's why so many coaches. I remember Tom Coughlin after he used to win.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Like, he used to always talk to the team, whatever videos. This is like early days of videos in the locker room. and he'd be like, hey, boys, we're humble in victory. We're humble. You know why? Because you can't start pumping your chest because the next week you're getting teeth kicked in. You've got to be very, very careful
Starting point is 00:29:59 because it's too difficult. There's just too much online. These guys are too maniacal. Like, you know how hard, I know they had a bad year this year, but do you know how many hours like Andy and Veach are putting in in football? It's their life. It's their life. I remember seeing the clip in that documentary they did last year on the Chiefs,
Starting point is 00:30:18 And Coach Reid was crying after, you know, it was after the Super Bowl, but like you're so invested. There's not like, well, he's doing like three other jobs. No, that's not the way it works. So when I saw that, I went, even John Elway, whenever he started with the Denver Broncos as the quote-unquote GM and the president, that was his job. That's all he did.
Starting point is 00:30:44 I'm just not a huge believer. I don't care what you're doing, but in any business that has any sort of like high level competition of other individuals and whether it's doesn't matter, you better be all in or you are going to get rolled. And I'll get out of here on this. You know, let's talk about some people that are going to be zoned in right now. And I think the coolest part about the playoffs, obviously the players, you can become legendary. But so can the coaches.
Starting point is 00:31:16 And, you know, we see some of these guys like, Jonathan Gannon gets fired. Never made the playoffs. And when you make the playoffs, it's a really big deal. Like Ben Johnson taking the bears to the playoffs is a huge deal. Liam Cohen taking the Jags of the playoffs, massive deal. But winning a playoff game, even just one playoff game, is huge. Winning playoff games on the road, LaFleur, who wants a contract extension,
Starting point is 00:31:41 is worth a lot of money. So obviously these coaches are just nuts. They spend all week an unhealthy amount of hours during when you're playing the crappy teams. I do think there's an just elevated level of focus and intensity when it comes to this week and the next several weeks. And I think the coolest part about this is like all of a sudden you look up and the Jags are in the AFC championship game. You know, you think Liam Cohen gets a lot of credit winning 13 regular season games. the two playoff wins would basically be worth a season of a 13 win the year. It would buy, I'd give him a contract extension.
Starting point is 00:32:24 You know, Sean McDermott, most people are kind of off the center of the bills. He goes on a little run right now. That's the way you get a massive contract extension. That's the way you get so much equity that you're not getting fired. And I love the playoffs, man. I really do because everything is on the line. You know, we talk, you guys know where I stand on. people talking about the process.
Starting point is 00:32:46 No one cares about your process if your results suck. It's just the way the world works. And I think a lot of these guys, when they get results, that's when people really start. Like, what the heck? Jim Harbock goes on the road and beats the Patriots. Be like, God, this guy's won a lot of playoff games. You know, this guy truly is a pretty legendary individual.
Starting point is 00:33:09 And obviously, for a lot of these coaches, they're very dependent on their assistants. They're coordinators, their position coaches. this is just a massive week because it sucks once you get to the second or definitely the conference championship game obviously losing is a kick in the nuts
Starting point is 00:33:24 but it's still like winning playoff games you advance you get bouncing the first round it sucks and these spreads I mean we'll dive into it later in the week they're not big it's going to be very hard to gamble on it's going to be very hard to pick you know it's like I love the jags
Starting point is 00:33:41 the way they've been playing but am I comfortable picking them against the bills I'm just very, very excited to watch all these coaches zone in for the week. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.
Starting point is 00:34:06 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to our first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call.
Starting point is 00:34:22 about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,
Starting point is 00:34:39 where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
Starting point is 00:34:57 The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior. And that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being. and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected.
Starting point is 00:35:34 We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Joe Rodano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Help! Somebody! Please! But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite,
Starting point is 00:36:14 I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Scyke! I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice.
Starting point is 00:36:36 One ring is too scary. Oh, cream of chicken suit. Hey, cream. Cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hips since high school. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Sidebar. Why? Did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing?
Starting point is 00:37:28 Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you believe? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:38:07 At John Middlecoff. At John Middlecough is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Questions answered here on the show. Easiest way to get involved. Let's just dive right in. How bananas were you going when Baltimore missed the kick? Wasn't that the last thing you needed for your big parlay? honestly when likely and Lamar made
Starting point is 00:38:26 I mean I saw TJ coming around I'm like he's going to sack Lamar beautiful pass incredible catch Jalen Ramsey a step short step late I just thought the game was over so I kind of checked out could barely watch the field goal
Starting point is 00:38:41 and you knew it right when it came off his foot so it was pretty incredible now that the number now that the Seahawks are the number one seed I want anyone but the Rams if you had to rank the NFC teams, who has the best shot of making the Super Bowl?
Starting point is 00:38:58 Clearly, Seattle. Home games, two games. I mean, huge home field advantage. And they have a great defense. So when you have a great defense and you play at home, if the quarterback can just play solid and run the ball, they're going to be a problem. They're getting their left tackle back.
Starting point is 00:39:12 They just have a much easier path. Then, to me, it depends on, you know, if, like, let's say the Packers were to upset the Bears and the Eagles beat the Niners, like, Eagles get a huge advantage playing at home again. So to me, the home games are huge. The Rams, in theory, should be good. One, they're not playing that well.
Starting point is 00:39:34 And two, they got to go on the road. You know, they definitely got to go on the road the first two weeks. So even if Carolina is not a very good team, right, you still got to fly five hours, beat them, come back, then fly again maybe to play Seattle. if the Niners or the Packers were to win, you probably got to go, you know, to Chicago. It's just a lot of travel. And I think it's pretty clear Seattle won.
Starting point is 00:40:01 And then I would probably do some combination of like Philly and the Rams. You know, the Bears, I just think you can't be that bad at defense. And this is where I put the Niners under the Bears. The Niners lost even more guys against Seattle. They lost their starting linebacker that replaced Fred Warner, Torres growing, out for the year. someone sent me the injury report today. It's like you can't have that many injuries and keep winning these games on the road.
Starting point is 00:40:28 It would be an incredible accomplishment. I think it's going to be difficult, even if the Eagles are weird, for them even to kind of keep it close, how are they going to stop the run? Now, maybe Kevin Patola doesn't call run plays, but I think it's really Seattle, the Rams, or Philly. I just have a hard time seeing Chicago. The defense is just terrible. I mean, their defense looked really, really bad.
Starting point is 00:40:50 against the Green Bay Pack or against the Lions. And I get it, emotional come down. But like, those are their players. It's not like, well, they got reinforced. No, it's like Jalen Johnson's out there. He's coming back from injuries. It doesn't look the same. Their D.Bs look so slow.
Starting point is 00:41:05 You're a 49er guy. I'm a Jags guy. So we most likely both don't like bulky. You know what's funny is everyone always hated bulky. In my interactions with him, but he kind of big time me once when I was a GA at Fresno State. but once I was doing the media stuff and coming around,
Starting point is 00:41:23 he was always cool to me, came on the radio. Again, he turned a lot of people off. It was never bad to me, so a lot of people hate him. He is kind of universally not liked by a lot of people. I never had an issue with him. I would say that, so your question is, but watching the Jags play this year with mostly bulky players playing out of their minds,
Starting point is 00:41:46 is it clear Doug and press were holding the Jags back? Well, I think as a GM, you're only as good as your coach. You know, and Balke picked a bunch of players, got Jim Harbaugh, and they won a bunch of games. Now, he also inherited some guys from Scott McLuhan, but clearly did a pretty good job of drafting some players. They also lost a lot of games, so they drafted high. But the success is they got the coach right. Liam Cohen would have been good with Gladstone or with Trent Balke. Clearly, he's just stud coach.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Right. Ben Johnson be good with Ryan. polls are me. He's a stud coach. So when you hire the right coach, they make players look a lot better. It's why I never understand these GMs that want like a yes man at coach. Like you need to get the best coach. That gives you the best
Starting point is 00:42:33 opportunity to win. You know, the Eagles are kind of stuck with Siriani, but they pay a lot for, like they pay Vic Vangio a lot of money. They've gone through, like they'll pay for Kellynne Moore. They paid if Patole gets fired, like they'll pay for whoever the top coordinators. They will not hesitate. So, like, paying for coaches makes you look a lot better, and it comes to the owner,
Starting point is 00:42:53 do they want to open the checkbook? So, obviously, the Jags of Town, because you watch them, team speed, physicality, you know, does Trent Balky get credit for Trevor Lawrence? I wanted to get your thoughts on the current playoff format, specifically division winners with losing records. For example, teams like the Panthers, 8 and 9, but still making the playoffs by winning a weak division. Do you think there should be a rule that prevents teams with more losses, than wins from qualifying for the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Well, I've been talking about this for a while. I think it's simple. If you go under 500 to win your division, it's hard to win a division. It is difficult, right? It is, look at the Chicago Bears. Like, the Lions just went 9 and 8, and they had a horrendous year.
Starting point is 00:43:41 And they kind of worked the Bears most of that game. Right? And that's just, like, you had to beat them. You had to beat the Green Bay Packers. You got to beat the Minnesota Vikings. All those teams are. them. It's hard. That division is good. Seattle, it came down to the last 60 minutes against the 49ers, and they also had to beat the Rams a couple of weeks ago, who were all 12-win teams.
Starting point is 00:44:01 So when you go under 500, like, that's a reflection on the competition that you're playing six games against. It sucks. So it has to matter. I'm not anti-divisions. Divisions matter. They do. I totally agree. But also if your division sucks, like, you should just get a home game. if you went 8 and 9? I mean, the Panthers had, in theory, a must-win game, and they lost. They're just not good, and they get to host the Rams. That seems crazy to me.
Starting point is 00:44:31 I think the solution's simple. You can stay the 4-seed, but if you go under 500, you play on the road to any team that you have a worse record then. And you're going to have worse record than everyone in the playoffs. Because you went 8 and 9. That's such a bad record. like the Falcons went 8 and 9.
Starting point is 00:44:50 They just fired everybody. Think about that. Todd Bowles, I mean, there's a decent chance he still gets fired. They're meeting tomorrow. Probably my guess would be as of recording this on Monday, he gets fired. I'm a Denver fan, but trying to be objective. Something just feels weird about Sean Payton and what he's doing in Denver. Do you ever recall a team that gets the number one seed and is looked down upon as much as the Broncos?
Starting point is 00:45:14 I feel like the Charger game was played that way on purpose to handle the win and move on. Bo was barely allowed to throw and they just looked handicapped the whole game. Do you think Sean is strategically doing this to still get the number one seed and have everybody fly under the radar? I think the skepticism is simple. Their offense, a lot of the year, has not looked good.
Starting point is 00:45:36 That game was a joke. Trey Lance stinks. I mean, he's not good. I mean, it's pretty crazy looking back the $40 straight through first round picks for him. That's an all-time whiff. He's, man, he's bad. I mean, the drop-off from him
Starting point is 00:45:49 to Herbert, or from Herbert to him, is like the size of the Grand Canyon. I'm not sure he's an NFL player, honestly. Chargers got very lucky that he didn't have to play real games, because they would lose them all. I would say this about Denver. When they're right, they're going to be very, very tough to beat. But their defense has a little shaky down the stretch, and Bo Nix just has games like against the Chiefs or against the Raiders that people don't trust him.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Simple. If he plays like he did against the Green Bay Packers that one game, just 75% of that, they'll win the AFC. But most people just don't trust them. So I think it's less about Sean Payton and more about what people see with Bo Nix. I think it's really that simple. And their defense simply is not as dominant.
Starting point is 00:46:34 They just haven't been playing that well. Colin has a lot of talk about Sifansky going to the Raiders. But if you're him, don't you want to see if any of the one-and-done playoff teams like the Bills could fire their coach? What do you think about J.A. 17? and Stafansky as a combo. Who's JA 17?
Starting point is 00:46:57 Am I an idiot? John Harbaugh, 17? I don't know who that is. Am I a moron? I would say this about Stafansky. I think it was reported today. The Giants, the Titans, and is the Cardinals?
Starting point is 00:47:18 Like he's going to interview with? He's getting a job. I think if you're the Raiders, You're drafting Fernando Mendoza. So when you draft Fernando Mendoza, you want him to be equipped with a good coach. And I think the thing with Tom, if Tom looks back, like he did get Charlie Weiss. And then they transitioned to Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels. He had a really good offense, to Bruce Ariens.
Starting point is 00:47:42 He had great offensive coaching his whole career. And I think Stefansky, you know, when I see the thing about Dayball and Brian Flores, My question would be this. Let's say Brian Flores did shake the Patriot thing. It's actually good coach the second time. If Brian Dayball does a good job with Fernando Medoza, he will get another job. A 100% lock, he'll get another job.
Starting point is 00:48:12 So wouldn't you just hire Brian Dayball? I think it's really, really important if you're going to take a number one overall pick of quarterback to just surround him with competence. You know, I mean, look at Jane Daniels. I'm not the biggest Cliff Kingsbury guy. I know he's a nice guy. People like him, but like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Something, that wouldn't be my first pick. Look at Caleb. They got Ben Johnson. It's like, if Caleb somehow ever fails, that's on Caleb, not Ben Johnson. We see it works, right? And that's where Vrable's lucky. Josh McDaniel's not going to get another job. Sean Payton, like he's not leaving.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Bow next got him. Did you see that bad snap in the Bears Lions game? Caleb stood on like the two-yard line and flat-footed 50-yard rope to get rid of it. Is it crazy to say is the biggest arm in the league and the most talent out of anyone? Not to mention the ball he threw against the Niners of Loveland. I did look up and that ball that went through his hands. One thing Caleb has is he's just such a good athlete. He can just turn around and get places fast.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Does size factor into talent? To me it does. If he was four inches taller, he would be the greatest prospect maybe ever. I mean, he'd be right up there with John Elway. Just talking prospect. The difference of him and Josh Allen is he's just shorter. And it's just a little easier to see over guys.
Starting point is 00:49:46 So I would say Josh Allen, Herbert, would probably be considered the two biggest arms. I had put Caleb right there with him. And I do think the one thing he has over those two guys is Josh is obviously fast. There's like an explosion to Caleb that is like more, a little more Lamari. Maybe not the long speed,
Starting point is 00:50:07 but there's like a shorter quickness to him that he's got, yeah, he's got elite talent. I mean, I don't know what else to say. No one disputes Caleb's like physical characteristics. The only knock you have on the body type, is just a little shorter than you like. Obviously, the player, you'd like a little more touch. But maybe I think that's, I've said this before,
Starting point is 00:50:29 I think you can develop that over the offseason. Or, I mean, that's, that should be the number one thing you're working on to develop, besides, like, the growth of the metal game. Because there was a pass yesterday. I think it was Luther Burton. It was like a quick slant. And I get it's the NFL, you know, you touch it, you clutch it.
Starting point is 00:50:48 He threw a slant. It looked like a Nolan Ryan fastball. I mean, Burton turned around and that thing was off his hand. It's like, you just got to take a little off it. You can still throw it fast.
Starting point is 00:51:01 I think he's really got to work on that. If it's even correctable, some guys are never able to develop that. If the Rams go to Charlotte and just skull bleep the Panthers, does the NFL in the off season make a change regarding the eligibility for the playoffs?
Starting point is 00:51:20 It's crazy the Lions are sitting at home while the Panthers are not only in the playoffs, but hosting a game. I don't think anyone would disagree the Lions are better than the Panthers. Clearly. May I watch them, Jameson-Ross, St. Brown,
Starting point is 00:51:33 Gibbs? Not even close. Right? But divisions, as of right now, they matter. You guys know where I stand. I'm not even against kicking them out. I just think that you should not get a home game.
Starting point is 00:51:46 You shouldn't. You watch, it'll probably be a tight game in the second half. Why does the NFL announce primetime games week one through seven? team before the season starts. I feel like they should announce one through 10 before the season and then around eight or nine announce the rest of the schedule. This way, they make sure Thanksgiving and Christmas games are going to be great.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Every year, there are so many teams that we think are bad and end up being interesting we never get to see on prime time. For example, this year, everyone says the Jags have been great. Their only primetime game was against the Chiefs and they weren't even that good at the time. or two years ago when Rogers got injured week one. I don't pretend to be some schedule master. I do pretend to understand all that goes on behind the scenes to it. I do think it's a little more complicated than the way you're playing it out.
Starting point is 00:52:40 One, you can't not announce a short week games. Teams have to know so they can prepare. It's why teams are very adamant about no flex short week games. right? It's hard to flex a Monday night football game because the way I've prepared, the way I practice, it can be an unfair advantage. So I think it's more challenging than you say. But Sunday night football,
Starting point is 00:53:07 I do think that maybe after October, what's the difference of playing in the 1 o'clock or 5 o'clock? So I would make Sunday much more flexible. You know the problem is? Fox and CBS pay. a lot too. So it's like, yeah, flex the afternoon CBS game. CBS goes, we pay premiums for Josh Allen, Patrick Mullams, and Joe Burrow. Fox would say, we pay a shitload of money to show the Eagles and Kyle Shanahan and this good Seattle team. We want these games. So that's where it's like,
Starting point is 00:53:42 well, NBC just doesn't get to monopolize corner the market on the sweetest games. They like the afternoon window. And let's be real. The morning window, a lot of weeks, sucks. Some of the games get entertaining
Starting point is 00:53:56 down the stretch, but it's not very good matchups. And the NFL is really turned into, if you kind of take a step back, Thursday night,
Starting point is 00:54:05 Sunday afternoon, CBS and Fox, Romo Nance, in the Brady game, and then the Sunday night and Monday night game. And Monday night can be a little hit or miss,
Starting point is 00:54:16 but it's still Monday night football. It's fine. Everyone enjoys it. Some games are better than others. But the Sunday morning games are not great. A lot of weeks. I mean, are really bad. It's a lot of like Browns and Cardinals and Giants, commanders. It's, it can be rough. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?
Starting point is 00:54:44 Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. but this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it
Starting point is 00:55:11 one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas.
Starting point is 00:55:25 And then I wrote down on my little notepad. Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Jared Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! Please!
Starting point is 00:55:48 But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hippocrat, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Oh, cream of chicken suit. Hey, cream. Cream and chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:56:40 The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shake my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming
Starting point is 00:57:14 lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole. This podcast is for you. To hear more, listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:57:40 What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is out of life.
Starting point is 00:57:55 level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.
Starting point is 00:58:39 So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Great Sunday Night Show. A little easier to keep up the great work. It is. Nothing better in football seats. It does not get any easier than reacting to the games. It's the best
Starting point is 00:59:01 podcast. If you can't do that, you might as well quit. They really pay me for you know, May, June, July. Question for the back. I know the sexy pick for Coach of the Year is the Patriots or the Bears, but Seattle in a division with the Rams and the Niners
Starting point is 00:59:17 not only win the division, but lock up the one seat. If you wanted to vote for Mike McDonald, I wouldn't argue. I think it's really, really hard. I think Kyle once he loses that game is out because Mike would have to take him over. I think it was a group going into the last week of five guys. Vrable, Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald, and Kyle Shanahan.
Starting point is 00:59:43 If I had to guess right now, I think Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen, I think they will get the nod over. In the Vrable's schedule was so easy. I think that will be fair or not. I think for Abrable's a stud. If you voted for him, I wouldn't blame you. But I think that will be as undoing for the award. So my guess will be, it will be Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen, just because that organization was a joke. The one thing you'd say for Mike is he was unreal this year. He inherited a nine-win team. I mean, he didn't inherit the Bears.
Starting point is 01:00:21 That would be the argument for of Ravel. He inherited a team that won eight games in two years. This is not even a question. is basically my take on the Ravens. They played like shit all year. We should have been better all season. We aren't Harba or Bunkin and Lamar. It was all a problem.
Starting point is 01:00:37 Yeah, I agree. They put themselves in that position. Started one in five. Lamar missed a bunch of times. Their defense early in the season was awful. They still had a chance to win the game. And let's face it, they should have won the game. One thing I didn't touch on after the game is they got conservative, right?
Starting point is 01:00:55 He had a time. Did he have multiple timeouts when likely caught the ball? I guess they called a timeout when likely gets the ball. I think you could have been a little more aggressive, got a little closer. You got a rookie kicker into the win. Boswell just missed. Yeah, just, I'm with you. Whoever had lost that game, it's hard to feel sympathy for either side.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Right? It just is a bigger kick in the nuts when you lose in that fashion. Why does ownership matter this much or so much? It seems like Mark Davis tries to do the right thing and stay out of the picture. As a Raider fan, I'm generally interested in ownership interference. These teams, interference tank these teams more than fans know. I actually, I've always said this about Mark Davis. You know, it was around him a little bit.
Starting point is 01:01:49 And then he hires Gruden. He hired Josh McDaniels. He's like, you do it. You do it. Which is not Mike Brown and that family is heavily involved. but he let Brady into the club, let him buy in, now Tom has a lot of juice. And by all accounts, like, John Spitech didn't want Chip Kelly.
Starting point is 01:02:09 That's a classic Tom Brady, Chip Kelly's boys with Belichick. That was the dumbest hire ever. It's like Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll, this is never going to work. So, like, Tom has taken a role like he's pretty involved. Everyone that knows more than me is like reporting this. The people in the Raiders building call him the boss. and ownership all over the league. I'll use this example.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Today when I'm getting my podcast ready, I don't like, hey, these are the seven things I'm going to talk about today. These are my angles and I forward them off to Colin and three other people at the volume. And they go, ah, like this, don't like this. Let's go with this. I just do whatever I want, right? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, less need and Sean McVeigh. When they want, John Snyder, when they want to do something,
Starting point is 01:02:57 something, they do it. Obviously, they tell ownership, but ownership lets them do whatever they want. I'm getting rid of D.K. McCaff. Cool. Your decision. Like, that's, that's not the way it works some places. And Jeffrey Lurie, Howie, howie, you do it? What do you want to do? This offseason, we're going to trade AJ Brown. Let it rip, Howie. So when someone tells you and micromanages you, and listen, when the guy's signing your checks, what are you going to say? Say nothing. You do what they tell you to do. So we becomes difficult. I think Mark Davis's downfall,
Starting point is 01:03:32 hired the wrong coaches. You know, let's face it, Gruden thing, I like Gruden, he entertains me online. It was not going that well. It really wasn't. I like Mike Mayock, too. That wasn't going to work. Come on, let's be real.
Starting point is 01:03:48 And the Josh McDaniels thing, like, I supported it. I thought it would make sense. Blew up in his face. Blew up in his face. So if you hire the wrong people, even if you don't meddle, that it will fail. If you do meddle, you don't really know what you're talking about. And you just make things more complicated.
Starting point is 01:04:04 So, I think it's a lot of just chiming in with your ideas. More of a podcast question. I'm not sure you've answered this, but will you continue to do live post-game reactions once the Netflix deal hits? If so, will it be an opportunity for you to put out an audio-only version somewhere that is simultaneously live? I think we're still working on the live situation, Obviously, the season's close to over.
Starting point is 01:04:34 But next season, I mean, we're dealing with a progressive company here that I don't see why as we work through this, that that, hopefully it's available. The audio for the podcasts have been consistent the entire time we've been doing video. They typically come out early in the morning the following day. This is a very fluid process. so I don't have all the answers. We will, I will try to hammer that down in the next couple weeks.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Probably gonna have a baby. I would imagine in the next 10-ish days. So, we're in a fluid part of my world. I'm not quite sure everything. I don't have all the answers, I guess. I will get them to you
Starting point is 01:05:20 as soon as I know them. I sound like a coach when there's an injury. Like, I'm not a doctor, but we will let you know when we know. I truly don't But I
Starting point is 01:05:33 The audio is not going to change The audio will Come out when it's been coming out I'm pretty sure Which will be the first thing in the morning Why is everyone saying there shouldn't be a massive pressure on Josh Allen to make the Super Bowl? I'm tired of people Saying the Bill's roster is horrible
Starting point is 01:05:56 He doesn't have the play of Burrow, Lamar Or the guy who beat him four times in Mahomes He is by far the best quarterback I think there's tangible pressure restaurant, no. I think he would get a lot of credit if we look up and they're in the Super Bowl. He got to win this week. I get the Jags are really good. Got to be Trevor Lawrence and the Jax. That's a big game for him. You get a lot of credit if he wins because they're good. But like, that's tough to be won and done in the playoffs in the
Starting point is 01:06:22 prime of your career. But what happens if he plays well? He throws four touchdowns and they lose by 10 points. Is that his fault? Let it play out. But one of the first. One of the 100% there's pressure on him. He's playing Trevor Lawrence, who's been awesome. Would you trade Mike Tomlin for Mike McDaniel? The dolphins need a culture center and the Steelers need to develop. Mike McDaniel can not be the coach of the Steelers. Can't happen.
Starting point is 01:06:53 There's just no way. The Rooney family would never hire Mike McDaniel, ever. See how cold that guy looks and cold weather games? He would not even be on the short list. Would I hire him as my offensive coordinator? Sure. Mike McDaniel's never going to be the coach of the Steelers. If Mike McDaniel is a coach of another NFL team,
Starting point is 01:07:14 it'd be like the Cardinals. You know, it'd be a team like that. It would not, he would never be the coach of the Steelers. Mike Tomlin, coach of the Dolphins, 100%. I can see that. Mike McDaniel, though, never. I grew up on rugby.
Starting point is 01:07:30 I cannot believe someone that hasn't, someone from that world hasn't sold themselves to a team, as a tackling expert. I know NFL players think they tackle well, and some do, but I cannot believe how many mistackles I see every week. I just watch the Steelers running back
Starting point is 01:07:46 run through four week tackles. I think he's talking about the Jalen Warren run on the outside. Every year, or every yard counts. Coaching staff wouldn't want to do that. What am I paying the linebacker coach 750 grand for? What am I paying my defensive coordinator $2 million for? If anything, those guys should reach out on their own time
Starting point is 01:08:05 and figure out some techniques. If I'm an owner, I would, why do, what are my coach is teaching? I also think this, you know, the practice in football has changed dramatically. You don't really practice tackling. So it's hard to not really practice tackling and then just playing games against Jalen Warren expect to win in a one-on-one spot. I think that factors in, in a big, big way. Listen to you and Colin about Mendoza's comp. It's burrow.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Good, not great arms. but really good down the field. Accuracy. Comfortable when flushed from the pocket and can throw in the move. Not a runner, but has mobility. This guy's like a scout. Most similarly, clutch in the fourth quarter, late game situations, Oregon, Iowa,
Starting point is 01:08:55 Penn State, and Iowa State, all required Mendoza to score, keep possessions, and he never blinked. I don't hate that at all. I think there are some similarities there for sure. You know, a lot of Joe Burroughs' ability is just he's not the most physically gifted guy. Doesn't have the biggest arm.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Is definitely not the fastest. Isn't the tallest? He's just really good. Even though he didn't really play that good kind of down the stretch of the season. But I don't hate that at all. The Matt Ryan thing, Matt Ryan to me, couldn't move.
Starting point is 01:09:26 So I see more of a mobile... I like the Joe Burrow. Like Joe Burrow can move, you know? Like a taller purdy. He can move. He can make plays. with his legs. I'm trying to think of some other guys.
Starting point is 01:09:41 I actually think there are a lot of similarity. Trevor Lawrence is a better athlete, but I think the physical arm coming out of college. I think there's some similarities there. How do the Niners get pressure next week? I just don't see it. This no slash camp pressure game plan
Starting point is 01:09:58 is agonizing to watch. They don't have any pass rushers. So how are they going to get pressure? They're not. I guess you could blitz the house. If you blitz the house, with a mobile quarterback. You saw this with Caleb and with Jalen,
Starting point is 01:10:16 if they want to make you pay with their legs, they can. To me, if I'm Kevin Patola, the 49ers, D-Winners is going to be out for this game, and Tatum Bethune is out for the season. The Niners do not have any linebackers, and their defensive line is decimated. I think they had multiple defensive line injuries in that game. Seguan Barkley, if he doesn't have 30-plus carries in this game,
Starting point is 01:10:40 I would fire him on the speed. If the 49ers beat the Eagles in this game, how is he going to be firing some people? Because they have no business losing. Because their defense is just decimated. They should, if you told me right now over under rushing attempts for the Eagles, if it's not well over 35, they're not doing it right. I mean, that'd be really bad. I think the 49ers are in a lot of trouble.
Starting point is 01:11:09 you just you can't lose that many players on defense because this is an offense where it's like I can scheme to Marcus Robinson up I can call some plays for Kendrickbourne what am I supposed to do for a pass rush the passer? What am I supposed to do for a practice squad linebacker in a playoff game against
Starting point is 01:11:27 Sequin Barclay? It's really difficult so you might as well just throw the kids to sink at them. My game plan would be simple listen, you just kind of got to lean on Lenore, Stout, and Renardo Green, and hopefully they can kind of cover the wide receivers. And I would just blitz the house
Starting point is 01:11:47 and stack the box and be like, you know, we're just, we're just going to try to somewhat neutralize if Saquan, keep Saquan under 75, 80 yards and just take our chances with Jaylen down the field. But if Saquan, if you told me right now, he rushes for, 140, 150, 150, 160 yards, the Niners would be in major trouble.
Starting point is 01:12:11 The other thing is, their defense is pretty good. And they got multiple pass rushers, they got good linebacker play. It's going to be hard. It would be one of Kyle's truly great wins with the roster that he's coming in with. Truly would be. Which I think Ricky Pierce saw Kyle said today that, you know, re-injured his PCL before that game. so I would guess he's not going to play.
Starting point is 01:12:39 I don't know. I think the Niners, remarkable accomplishment winning some of these games, winning that Bears game was crazy. But I just, I think they're just out of bodies. And there's no reinforcements coming. So all the pressures on the Eagles, they are favored in this game.
Starting point is 01:12:57 They should win this game. But I guess that's why you snap the ball. That's why you kick it off. Play 60. Maybe get some turnovers. Maybe you got a freaky shit to happen. But Robert Sal is going to have to just dial up some blitzes. I don't even know.
Starting point is 01:13:12 I don't even know what you can do. Clearly, they're going to have score points. I mean, they're going to have to be in the high 20s. To me, to have a shot to win any playoff game. Adios. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.
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