The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Browns WON the Travis Hunter trade, Broncos justify Waddle trade, NFL Offseason Mailbag

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

On this episode of 3 & Out, John Middlekauff looks back to the Cleveland Browns pulling off what he believes was a draft-night win in their trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars involving Travis Hunter. How did Cleveland come out on top, and what does it mean for both franchises moving forward? John also breaks down the Broncos’ reasoning behind the Jaylen Waddle trade and whether the move actually makes sense from a roster-building and financial standpoint. Plus, John takes a quick detour outside the NFL to discuss why Steph Curry remains one of the most electric players in sports, and reacts to Azzi Fudd going No. 1 overall and what makes her such a special talent. To wrap things up, it’s everyone’s favorite segment: the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers your questions and hits on a wide range of topics across the sports world. From NFL trades and draft fallout to hoops and beyond, it’s all covered on this episode of 3 & Out. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Kind of hit me last night watching Stefan Curry go nuts and hit a game winning three. Is he the most entertaining player the last 25 years in all of sports? I had a list of a couple other guys that I would throw in there. I actually might have left out Michael Vic.

I would have put him up really high as well. But there's a difference between being a great player, which obviously he is too. But I wouldn't call Tom Brady the most entertaining player of all time. most accomplished, best winner, made the right plays. But Curry, man, he is box office.

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Hit alert. Anytime the pot is posted, which it is every single morning, you'll never miss a show. So, but let's just start with the Cleveland Browns. They are a team, an organization, a front office that gets made fun of a lot. I'm as guilty as anybody. I've been really hard on them the last couple of years for getting a free pass. And I've had my theories, you know, they were Stefansky and Barry, two Ivy League guys. I've always thought the media kind of sees themselves in those guys as like educated guys, not some meathead football.

you know, typical dude, but that organization has been a complete train wreck for the last couple years. But I don't think they get enough credit on the trade they made last year. And when it was announced over the course of the past week that Travis Hunter is now going to focus on playing defensive back. It was like, he's like, Otani. He's going to play corner. He's going to play wide receiver. And I'll never forget this because I don't know if it was leading up to the draft or after the draft, might even been in training camp. John Harbaugh, who was the Ravens coach at the time, said there's not enough time in the day to do both in the NFL.

And I couldn't have agreed more because at corner, you have to cover every single week, Jamar Chase, C.D. Lamb, you know, you name it. You go through the wide receivers. Hell, average teams have unreal wide. A.J. Brown, just go through the list of top wide receivers in the NFL. And at wide receiver, most weeks you're going up again. big-time defensive backs. And hell, in his own conference or in his own division,

you know, the Colts trade for Soss Gardner, you look at the guys the Texans have. I mean, you're looking at guys that live in mansions, drive range rovers, and make all pro teams. So it's not a position like Jemar Chase and Justin Jefferson and Soss Gardner and these guys, they spend all their time on their one position. And if you just made Travis Hunter coming out of college,

he was incredible. I loved watching him. I used to bet on Colorado. I'm not by any means of Travis Hunter hater. But his value and the reason that Gladstone moved up and picked some number two overall is because we've never really seen anything like that. Even though most people I think in the NFL would have agreed, it's not really feasible to be full-time starter at both.

And if you're going to take a guy number two overall, who if he just played his each position independent of each other, like if he had just been a wide receiver or just been a corner, he's not going number two overall. Now, he's still a good prospect. I would imagine most drafts, if he was just a wide receiver, if he was just a corner,

he's going somewhere from 12 to 20. So he's a high level prospect, but you're not getting Calvin Johnson, right? You're not getting Dion Sanders. And the value in which they traded so much was, I think they thought that. And then they realized that that's not really possible. It's not really feasible.

and Andrew Barry, who he's gotten crushed on this show, made one of the great trades of all time because he traded back three spots and he immediately got one of the top two or three players in the draft definitely after his one season, but Mason Graham has been an elite player for years at Michigan and got to the NFL and dominated immediately was on everyone's all rookie teams. Why? Because he's an elite impact player. And they also got a second round pick in which they took Quinny. Sean Junkins, who I believe has a chance to be a top five or six running back in the NFL one day. Last year, he broke his leg, had, would have easily if he hadn't gotten injured, got over a thousand yards.

He had seven touchdowns. Like, he's a big time player. He was the SEC rookie of the year, transferred to Ohio State. Obviously had his, you know, playing time because he split carries with Henderson. But like, you just get an extra pick and you get your starting running back. and oh yeah, we get your first rounder this year. Can you imagine right now today before the draft? If the Jags, and listen, you're not paid to draft as a general manager in the NFL,

you're paid to win. And based on one season with Liam Cohen, that team was fucking awesome. So as long as he keeps winning, having a pick that he would like to have over, not necessarily drafting Travis Hunter, but what he gave up to get him, which as he's sitting here right now, he would redo the trade. Now, that's not the way the world works and things can change, but it's not even debatable.

Because if the Jags got on the phone with the Browns and said, Andrew, we will offer you Travis Hunter for Mason Graham, Quinchon Junkins, and Pick 24, he'd get laughed off the phone. Andrew Barry, in a million years, wouldn't trade Mason Graham straight up for Travis Hunter. Hell, he had the chance to draft him last year and did not. So I think when you make these decisions, and Travis Hunter serves as a good example, at the highest level of sports, Otani is a one of one.

They do not come around very often. Dion Sanders, who is a much better, more explosive athlete, not now, he's only got a couple toes on one feet, on one foot, but relative to Travis Hunter as a prospect, played full-time defensive back and then did return game and play. played offense here and there. Now, there were some reports over the course of the last four or five days that he will still dabble on offense, but he is going to go all in on defensive back. And I wonder if they looked at it.

It's just easier to acquire wide receivers in the draft in free agency. Hell, last year that by the end of the year, that Washington guy on their team is like, who is this guy? I remember watching the Broncos game. He was just destroying them. So you could find wide receivers. It is more difficult to find defensive backs. So they go, listen, his.

value from an economic standpoint. It's more difficult to acquire these guys. We wouldn't have a chance to get this level prospect in this draft, given that we don't have a first round pick as a defensive back. So let's just transition him. And all of his focus goes to covering Alec Pierce, to covering Nico Collins, right, to covering whoever the best wide receivers are on the Titans and everyone else that we play in the AFC. So I think the Browns deserve a lot of credit because that trade was solid at the time. I was like, oh, that's a lot of value. It looks incredible now. And like ultimately, and this is the problem for Andrew Berry. Like, you're not just paid to wheel and deal. You do have to win games. So now they're in on Todd

Munkin. They don't have a quarterback. Like, obviously the Browns still have a lot of question marks. But that was a big time move. I also want to give flowers to the Denver Broncos. I was recently talking to a GM and we were, he's like, you know what? No one. ever talks about is how difficult our job is that most of us, even if we come up contractually, but if we come with a scouting background, when we get the GM job, the guy we talk to the most beside the head coach is the owner. And most of these owners, especially the ones that didn't inherit it and bought the team themselves, are self-made billionaires. They are guys. They are who are filthy rich and speak a language that anyone that came up in pro scouting,

in college scouting as an assistant GM, how are you going to relate to someone worth $10, $15, $20 billion? Who does that for a living when your job is to evaluate football players? Now, you can relate talking football, like they love talking players, they like talking the NFL, but there's more to relationships than just one topic, and it's difficult. But the number one thing that I think any general manager will find ways to relate to their owner

is when they say, what do you need? How much more money do you need? And George Payton was talking to one of their local guys, Michael Cliss, and who's been covering the Broncos forever. And he gave a quote, basically justifying the wattle trade. We looked around and where we were picking, no rookie was going to, no, no guy, at that pick at the end of the first round

was going to crack the starting lineup for our team currently. Now obviously a first round draft pick especially when you're a good team any team drafting passed like 25 it is going to be difficult for that individual to start for a team if that team

is bringing back a lot of their previous team that just won a bunch of games and was in the second third round or the Super Bowl. It's not easy to crack those lineups. That is true. But part of a draft pick is for the next couple years. How he said this in his press conference. We draft on what's he going to look like in year three,

not day four of training camp year one. Because in year three, if that guy could become a starter or an impact starter, he's your best value on the team because he's not making any money. And even though he's a first round pick, if you're getting him in the late 20s or the 30s, it's relatively cheap compared to the rest of your roster and veteran players that are on longer-term contracts, or second or third contracts, right?

Because those guys then are paid relative to the market at their position. And he said when we looked at it, no guy was going to start. So we felt more confident in, I'll put words in his mouth, because he wouldn't say this, overpaying for Jalen Waddle. And I looked at the Denver Broncos. And a couple years ago when Pat Bowlin dies, his daughter sell the team, you just never know, like the Seattle right now, who's going to be their own? How many humans alive if one individual is going to be interested in the team?

Twofold. Like football, are going to be interested in enough to cut a check to buy a team and then have the money. It is a tiny, tiny list. And I think in a perfect world, the NFL does want to avoid these massive, massive groups. Because it would be pretty easy if it's like, hey, we will. we will change the rules and you can have up to like 500 people invest in a team and you just have to name

one guy as the managing director. These venture capitalists and Wall Street could get together huge groups. They don't want that. Ideally, they like a family to own the squad. But that gets more and more difficult as you see the valuations. The Raiders who have won

zero playoff games in almost 25 years are just valued at almost $12 billion. Seattle is in a, lucrative market is a dominant franchise, just won the Super Bowl, and that valuation is going to be somewhere from $10 to $12 billion. So it gets complicated. And then once you pay it, do you have the means to keep paying and buying the players? Because a lot of people, if you overextend yourself, then it's hard to kind of function once you own the team.

That's the thing with Balmer. It's like, at the time, $2 billion was a ton, pays it in cash. I remember reading a story that it had to sell like, X, amount of stock. I think it was actually Apple stock, ironic, because he's a Microsoft guy. Don't quote me on that. That might have been Tepper. I guess that was David Tepper, actually.

But Balmer, whatever, he had to sell some of his Microsoft stock, which would make more sense, to just pay cash to Donald Sterling and Vivian Stefano and he's unfaced because he has so much money, he'll do whatever it takes. There are more limitations in the NBA,

right? You have a hard cap. In football, you have a hard cap, but you can spend more money than you're actually salary cap, and there's no tax on that. So looking right now at the top seven, eight teams in just cash spending, the Denver Broncos are number two in the NFL coming up in 2006. Obviously, you bring on Jalen Waddle's high salary. That's another player making a lot of money. The difference with the Denver Broncos is they're not paying their quarterback. currently the 49ers are scheduled to pay more in cash than any team in the NFL. Well, part of that is this upcoming year they're going to pay Brock Purdy over $45 million.

I did the math that's like $2.7 million a game. I'll tell you this, those politicians in California, they have wet dreams about W-2 employees like Brock Purdy. You're making $2.7 million a week and the majority of your games, like they're pissed off he's going to Australia. They fucking want that game in Los Angeles so they can tax a shit out of that paycheck. But number two is the Denver Broncos. The difference of Bo Nicks and Brock Purdy's salary is like $44 million. So they are not paying a quarterback, yet they're still spending more cash on their roster than teams like the Indianapolis Colts, who are now paying Daniel Jones,

the Buffalo Bills who are paying Josh Allen a ton, the Dallas Cowboys who have the highest paid quarterback in the league, the Seattle Seahawks, who have a quarterback on a discount, but he's still making $30-plus million a year, the Ravens and the Lions, who also have highly paid quarterbacks. So the Broncos are in this world with all these quarterbacks on either max contracts or a guy like Sam Darnold who would still be on the 49ers, non-Brock Purdy,

the second highest paid player on the team, behind Trent Williams like $33 million. So I think the Denver Broncos, the ownership, the Waltons, you just never know. It's like, well, they have unlimited money. The chargers are a good example. They spend $1 million in rent, or excuse me, $1 a year to rent SoFi.

They just build this glorious practice facility that I've been hearing about for years. It's like they've built this. They don't spend any cash on their football team. It's like part of the reason that sometimes they come up short against some of these other teams in their own conference is those owners are willing to spend the money. And the Spanos family just isn't. And now you have the Denver Broncos involved in your division.

They will do whatever it takes. and if Bo Nix hits, he's got to play better than he did last year, like they are going to be a force to be reckoned with because they're willingness to spend the money. And I think it's much easier for the Broncos to make this move and quote unquote, overpay a little bit because they got no problem bringing back the salary. They would do that more often.

If they had multiple first round picks, they would have bought another $30 or $40 million player that would have been available. So props to the, the Walmart family for getting involved in the NFL and then being like, what does it take to win? If I'm a Bronco fan, I'm like, fuck yeah. This is awesome.

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And I screwed out. I didn't make that mistake again. And part of it was like, I'm glad I might have missed some of the Warriors game if I hadn't figured that one out. And it kind of hit me last night as Steph Curry hit the game winning shot with under a minute to go. Is there's a short list. Let's just go the internet era from like basically 2020 to where we sit now. there's a difference between Tom Brady's you know the greatest football player of all time

I wouldn't call him the most entertaining player I've ever watched he was great but like Michael Vic was probably more entertaining I think you could make the argument that in my adult life I would put Steph Curry as the second most entertaining basketball player I've ever seen

I would have Michael Jordan won and I would have Steph Curry too and I think you could argue in the last 25 years. So post Michael Jordan, there would be three athletes, and that would include Steph Curry, in a list of like, if they're on television, whether you're a fan of that team, whether you're a fan of that sport, you will stop and watch. To me, like, ultimately what Steph Curry is, he's one of the most consumer-friendly athletes in the history of professional sports.

because when he is on TV, he is impossible not to watch. We have never seen his style quite like in NBA history. We have seen three-point shooters run around like Reggie Miller, but Reggie Miller wasn't close to as good as Jeff Curry. And I was thinking Barry Bonds peak juice. Like when Barry Bonds was peak on the cream in the clear, he looked like a mutant, he looked like something out of a movie up to bat. And you knew if he got one strike, that ball was going 450 feet somewhere.

And if they were playing in San Francisco, that ball was going in the water. There's never been a baseball player like that in my life before or since. That when he was up and I'm biased, I'm a Giants fan. But even if I wasn't, I would stop and watch his AB. And any time that anyone's ever seen an Instagram or a post about players that witnessed that, they all are like, it was, listen, you can tell me steroids or not. Everyone was on him. No one was doing that.

because you threw him a strike, the fucking ball was gone. Tiger Woods turned golf into something that was not only not cool, no one cared about unless you were like a rich elite. That's what golf was in the 90s. And when Tiger Woods hit the scene and started kicking the crap out of everybody, whether you like golf or didn't, and that was his most powerful attribute, is he brought in all these people that not only didn't like golf,

they didn't play golf, they looked down upon it because the people that they knew that we're at a country club or played golf, we're like, fuck them, right? Yet he drew you to a television screen. And watching Steph Curry last night, there is no replacing him. There just isn't. And his game winner, it's not even just,

it's just his stylistically the way he plays. I do believe, in my lifetime, easily he's one of the most entertaining athletes. And I do believe, besides Michael Jordan, he's the second most entertaining basketball player in the history of the sport. And like I said, I don't know how I would rank them. Barry, Tiger, I'd argue Barry, pure mutant status.

Tiger didn't even bring that to the table. It was like, what is going on? And the answer was Balco, 34-inch bat, and a baseball that was going to fly far if you put anything in the zone. And same thing with Steph. He runs around, he runs around, and if you give him an inch of space, that ball's going in.

And it has for a long time. And this Warriors team is terrible. Obviously, Jimmy Butler got injured earlier in the year. But that moment last night brought me as someone, like, I'm a basketball nomad. Right? I'm much more like the younger generation. Like, I don't have a team.

I grew up loving the Bulls and Michael. Then I got it in the Sacramento Kings when they got good with Weber and Bibby and Doug Christie and Vladi and that crew. and that organization is like, you think the Jets are bad. I mean, Google the Kings. And ever since I started working in radio and going to those Warriors games,

I just kind of fell in love with that group because there was such a star power element to the way in which they played. And there was such like a cold-blooded nature to their game. And you don't get to see it very often anymore. You know, Steph's 38 years old. And, you know, Draymond's coming down the homestretch, long gone. But that was

that moment at the end of the game, and Steph's, you know, who's missed a bunch of time with a knee injury, was truly a throwback. And I really don't know, and I'm not trying to be an NBA hater, but like there is just the fame of LeBron, who

obviously his team's under man in the playoffs, they're probably going to get smoked, which is not his fault. And the Warriors, if you're listening to this on Friday, could easily lose the suns and if they do make play the thunder, that's a sweep. but there's just, the NBA can't replace him. Like, I know the NBA people are trying to shove Wemby down my throat,

and I get, he scores 40 and 25 minutes. I just have a hard time seeing like a 7-4 guy, getting casuals constantly to their catch, like Steph Curry, because he's done it now for 20 plus years. You know, Doug Collins had a famous quote back when Michael hit, I think the shot against Craig Ielo against the Cleveland Cavaliers. I don't know if it was the late 80s or early 90s. And it was probably the year before Phil got there.

So it might have been like 1989. And they asked Doug like, what played you run? He said, get the ball to Michael and get the fuck out of the way. And that's not quite the curry play because he doesn't want everyone to get out of his way. He likes a little pick and roll with Draymond. And they kind of hand the ball off back and front. like they're running an RPO and football. But their play is basically get the ball to Curry,

Draymond help him get open, and let him cook. And it's one of the greatest plays in basketball history, and he's been doing it now since Davidson, on the national stage against Bill Self and, you know, NBA players when he was playing with a bunch of guys that look like me and you. So I just, I'm going to miss them because I don't do basketball as much as I used to. But Steph Curry's on and he's cooking. I won't miss a dribble.

And I guess before we do a couple of mailbag things, I don't really, I was thinking like, do I have a good Fugazi? This isn't necessarily a Fugazi, but one story that went viral was, I mean, what an all-time great name, Ozzie Fudd. Just, that's an awesome name. She was a number one draft pick for the Dallas WNBA team, her girlfriend, Paige Beckers,

who is, I think, supposed to be one of the best players in the WNBA immediately. She was a college star. They both went to Yukon. They're dating and someone in the press tried to ask and the PR chicks shot it down, which the girl clearly looked ready to answer it. Like, it's a public relationship. But I got the thinking, like from a scouting perspective, it's pretty risky to, now obviously they're elite talents.

But to, and I saw some of her highlights last night, like she fucking looks good. I'd be lying if I knew like strengths and weaknesses of the WNBA players. But I do think it's kind of risky. You know, young people, you just kind of get in this honeymoon phase. You go to college together. I've known a lot of people that you would have thought, like they're getting married, you know, they're dating in high school, they're dating in college, like that's a lock.

And then all of a sudden you hear like a year later, two years later, didn't work out, something happened. Now, this is a little different, right? They're playing together. They're around each other all the time. They've been with each other in college. If you get a breakup, this could, now, they've drafted number one back-to-back years. And I'm not privyed.

I guess I am privyed. I could just Google it. I didn't Google it. Safe to say they had one of the worst. They do a lottery system too. Clearly they've been one of the shittiest teams in the league for a couple years. So the only direction they need to go is up. Adding two sweet players, smart business.

business. But like, what did they break up? You know, in the NBA, a lot of dudes running around with a lot of different people. I've heard a lot of stories over the years. Know a few people, you know, no few people. And I've heard some stories that are quite entertaining. But I wouldn't say that is the most monogamous operation going on in the National Basketball Association. Can't speak to the WNBA. Clearly, these girls are, as the WNBA's popularity, as Caitlin Clark comes back, they're going to have a lot of options. Risky move.

That'd be my take. You get a bad breakup, locker room dynamics. We'll see how it plays out. Maybe they're just destined to be together and they go on to win championships. But if they don't and they break up, does one of them have to get traded?

What if the breakup's so bad if someone gets caught cheating or just doing something scandalous and the other one demands a trade because they want to get rid of them or they want to get away? I just I red flagged that situation.

Routing for him, rooting for him. The other thing is, Fugazi, you know, years ago, within the last five years, health and wellness

so big, everyone's talking peptides and GLP ones and green smoothies and protein diets. You know, it's, it just hits you in the face.

The youth isn't drinking booze as much. All I ever hear is people don't drink as much. And then whenever I'm around other people in social settings, Everyone's always boozing. So maybe I don't know these people.

And I've never been the biggest drinker by any means. Like don't drink during the week. I can go a month or two without touching alcohol, especially if I'm not in certain situations. But every time I'm, I always hear no one drinks, then you go to a wedding or you got people in their 20s and 30s just boozing left and right. But it was like, hey, the sauna is really good for you.

I think I've mentioned this before. Like most gyms, the gym I was going to, just had a normal sauna. Just like when I lived in the Bay Area, the Bay Club, just had a normal sauna, right? You had the rocks. If no one's looking, you pour some water in the rocks, you get that thing nice and hot, and you got to sit in there for 20 to 30 minutes to get elite sweat. Well, my gym does big remodel, and they did the infrared sauna, which has been all the rage and everyone's talking about online.

So it's like, okay, let's check this. This thing is like you are in the sun. Serengetty. The difference between just your old school regular rock sauna and the infrared sauna with the panels against the wall that I guess pierce inside you is I would say when I was doing it a lot, the old school sauna, I could stay in there pretty easily 30 minutes. This one, especially if you're out of a little bit of a rotation, which because of my main man Jack, I don't have a consistent like able have enough time to go work out and do sauna shower, maybe a steam and then a cold plunge, you know,

it could take a while. So I'm not as consistent anymore. You get in the infrared sauna, I would say by 10 minutes, you're thinking this is the hottest thing I've ever felt in my life. And you are just, you feel like every toxin, every ounce of sweat is out of your body. If I can make it 15 minutes, I feel like I've accomplished something.

So I'd say this. The Fugazi is those old school sonnas. Kind of weak. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was, This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

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Ad John Middlecough. Add John Middilcoff is the Instagram. Fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. I think Sunny Style should go number two. my philosophy would be, hey, I'm drafting my quarterback of the defense in 26, and I will get the quarterback of the future in 27. He's speaking about the Jets. I understand talking middle linebacker at 2 sounds crazy, but in this draft class, I just think it makes some sense.

I couldn't agree with you more that it should be on the table. because to me the conversation would be between the two pass rushes and him. If you believe, like, think about this, if you could get Fred Warner, if you get Luke Keekly, you're telling me those guys aren't every bit as valuable as an elite pass rusher, and how many guys that you draft actually become the elite pass rusher? Sometimes they do, and sometimes they're just kind of average. Now, there's no guarantee that Sunny Stiles becomes Luke Keekly or Fred Warner. but if you believe he can

and I think a lot of people in the NFL believe he can he should be in the mix for the number two overall pick because if he does become that and in four or five years all of a sudden you know the jets have or whoever let's say he falls to the saints or wherever the Giants they have the best middle linebacker in football there'd be a chance

you know if Fernando Mendoza is not a star he's the best player in this draft. But they won't. They'll take a pass rush. Which I think you've got to be very careful about positional value in a draft. This draft's viewed really, really bad. It is, it is

not viewed well compared to previous drafts in terms of the talent. Now, the high, you know, Sunny Styles, big time prospect, Reese, big time prospect. Jeremiah love big time prospect. But the receivers in most drafts wouldn't sniff the top 10 You know, the tackles are all solid.

No one's acting like Lane Johnson's walking down that aisle. Literally just got married in Nashville. Look pretty cool online. Will you hold Mendoza to the Caleb Williams rookie standard? 20 touchdowns, five interceptions, was a, quote, atrocious rookie year, in your words? You can throw the stats at me all you want. I think we all agree if you watched him play, you went,

yeah, he's got some physical attributes. But he was not a good rookie player, as most rookie quarterbacks are not. And last year, like, he was a completely different player. Are we not agreeing on that? Because you said Cam Ward got a pass. Curious if Fernando will too. Like, if you play well, you get credit. I watched Cam Ward.

I didn't think he was that good. You know, I think he can be good, but I didn't think he was that good last year. Now, his team was a mess. No different Caleb. Like I'm not blaming Caleb. his coach was a joke. The organization was in shambles. So it's not a, but he wasn't that good.

Like you can not be good and a lot of it, not your fault. Maybe that's a better way to curb it. He wasn't that good and it's not his fault. You can throw stats at me all you want. I think every team in the league worth their salt would have signed up to play the Bears and Caleb Williams as a rookie. So you can give me a stats. It's not a stat league.

It's pretty clear when a guy's playing good or bad. I think we all, especially a quarterback. Like Trevor Lawrence, you watch him this year, was dramatically better than he's been. He's had some years where he's had some solid stats, but he was really good this year. Just watch the guy play. What is the Super Bowl of golf?

I don't watch or play golf, but I've always wondered this because there are so many different events in the golfing world. Is it the Masters, the U.S. Open, or something else? And could you do a comparison of the golf season to the NFL season so a casual like me could understand. It's 100% the Masters

is the biggest event of the year. I think the golf season, my wife, we have the PGA tour on every single week, had it on today, Harbor Town in the background. She just doesn't quite, how do they play every week? I'm like, well, just play every week. The sun's out, they play.

And, you know, depending on the event, this fields are better. But we know for a fact, the four majors, the players, and some of the elevated events, which pay more money like this week. I think I read a stat like four or five years ago, this same event, the total purse was $8 million.

This week is 20. And the winner gets like over $4 million. So it's not comparable to football or basketball or baseball because they have a regular season and then they go in a postseason. You know, the masters, the U.S. Open, the open, they are during the golf season. So some events matter more than others. they all kind of matter because when you, you know, winning PGA tour events goes on your resume to be a legendary player.

You also win a lot of money. The way these guys make their money, even if it's not a major, if you win this week at Harbortown, you win over $4 million. And let's say you're Scotty Sheffler or Jordan Speath, then you're worth more to Under Armour, to Nike, to Taylor Made, to, you know, whatever clubs you're playing. but the season starts officially, next year it's going to start like, you know, in February, and it basically goes till football starts September 1st. But then there's a fall series, which is kind of like the preseason.

But during the season, you get some big regular events, and then you get the Super Bowl, and then you get some more big regular events, and then you get like the wild card weekend, which is, which would be the PGA championship. Then you get a,

a couple more big events, like Memorial, some of these other tournaments. And then depending, like if you're American, you would say the U.S. Open is the conference championship. If you were European, you would say the Open, where they play in the UK, or Ireland, would be the conference championship. So for me, the U.S. Open be the conference championship and the open would be like the divisional route. But they're all throughout the regular season. It's probably more like soccer that way. The thing with golf, it's just, you can just play every week, the television inventory. I don't really think it parallels any other sport in terms of the cadence in which the season goes.

I find it really frustrating that is increasingly difficult to watch any games at a bar because it's on Prime, Peacock, or some other streaming. Do you think this could lead to a long-term decline for sports fans hanging out of bars? I have a buddy who covers the Warriors and he was flying down to Southern California. And I text him, because this guy just dialed in. I didn't know it was on Amazon Prime. He's like, you know, what's funny is I'm at the airport, about to fly to L.A., just had a beer and the playing game wasn't on.

And this is, I go back to the football thing. I could be wrong. But Thursday night football, do bars not put that on? obviously, you know, when Netflix has Christmas, bars are closed. But I do believe the football games make the televisions. I think some of these other events are more difficult for the sports bars. Now, if I ran a sports bar, let's say we ran Johnny's.

Like, it's kind of their job to have all these things. And I think there are some complications with the costs. I don't pretend to know, because I remember with the DirecTV, they used to have to pay something different. some of you guys listening that have worked at them, that own them, that know how they operate. May I think I'm an idiot saying this. But I would be pretty dialed in. Like, on this day, these are my events.

I would have someone running it, like what are the big events, whether it's European soccer, whether it's the masters, whether it's, because non-football, there's always random shit going on. Hey, get Cubs, Phillies over there. And obviously, depending on, if you're in the Bay Area, you get a couple of Giants games on. Hey, we got a playoff basketball game on. Let's get that on a couple TVs. That, to me, is on the sports board to figure that out. Now, there's also some questions about the internet

because you've got to stream those. So can they get fiber internet? Yeah, it's obviously more complicated than just having the cable box and just the games on ESPN. But those days are done. Like, we have to acknowledge we're never going back to that. Those days are done. The precipitous drop-off of cable subscribers,

grows exponentially every year. Like, it's in rapid decline. It's not one of those like slow drip, slow drip. Like, I got a new roof probably, I don't know, within the last six months, maybe even less than that. Now, part of it was when I bought the house, the roof was 27 years old. It's like, hey, let's just,

we'll just live in it, remodel the inside, and we'll figure that out. Well, then you look up, we have crazy rainstorms, during the winter and you can see the leak and you're like okay it's it's probably time to do this but if it doesn't rain that much in arizona it would have taken a long time to like go all the way across the living room but you could see a couple feet of it you're like oh it's probably a problem right it's not it's not probably it is a problem we got to get this fixed but it most people might not have noticed it at first but a couple rainstorms it would have grown really really big to me it's non-stop rain on the cable world

and that impacts the way people my age, 40 and under, are consuming. So it's like, yeah, it may be a little more difficult for my mom. Every time I go to my mom's house, she watch Netflix. Everyone always says, it's so difficult. It's not that fucking difficult. Can you text messages? Can you get on your computer? You should be able to have your kids set up your apps on your television. But the sports bars, they're going to have to adapt quicker than they have.

because the days of just it being easy are over. Question for the bag. What NFL team would be likely to move to another city? To me, the movement's probably done. So is this a hypothetical because you use the Jets? They would never leave New York City. Ever. Like, I think if they could have a redo,

would they have put Jacksonville somewhere else? I've heard people discuss over the years that like, you know, Roger looks back on that, they kind of wish they could get a redo. I mean, that's why we talked about Jacksonville potentially moving to the UK, but no big city team is ever leaving, right? Zero chance. Like, Oakland to Vegas was an upgrade.

San Diego to L.A. was an upgrade. I'm just talking financially. St. Louis to L.A., massive. upgrade. The bears are just technically moving down the street. But like you can't move cities in this day and age to smaller markets. So you would never leave New York City. I enjoy the response to LeBron Jordan debate. Why can't people just appreciate greatness? I'm 25. When Tom played, I hated him. But now he's retired. I think it's fair to say he was a badass. I also don't like my homes. But what he's done has been undeniable. I think you appreciate, you know, when you're in it as a fan.

I hate the Lakers. I actually, my hate with sports is kind of, I try to keep driving it, but it's not quite the same. Because they got Luca, I kind of enjoyed watching them play. But I used to hate Kobe Bryant. I mean, I love Shaq, hated Kobe. I just hated Kobe. And then as he got older and you get older and you kind of look at life differently, he kind of started to appreciate him.

And then he retired. And it's like, I fucking love Kobe Bryant. Every time he would talk and interviews, it's like, God, I actually really admire this guy. And I think sometimes as you get older, there are things about, like, if you hated Tom Brady and as you get older in life, things that you want to accomplish professionally and be successful, you go, God, there are a lot of things that Tom brought to the table that I admire because I want to try to bring that to the table, right, in terms of work ethic, consistency, just dedication to craft, you know, it's hard not to. That was my thing with Kobe. It's like, God, you watch that 2012, maybe it was 2008,

Team USA Doc. Like, you guys kind of a badass. No disputing it. If I was him, I probably would have made fun of Sacramento too. My name is Kane, and I'm pursuing becoming an NFL or college football analyst or an NFL scout. I've been following your podcast for some time

and looking to get my foot in the door. I was wondering if you needed some assistance with it or looking for a writer of any platforms. Even any advice would be appreciative. I appreciate everyone who always reaches out to get involved. We've got a pretty full team right now. If you want to get into the scouting world, I actually ran into an interview the other day.

Someone sent it to me of the GM of Texas Tech. And he had worked in the NFL as a scout. And I think the GM of the Nebraska Cornhuskers is a former scout. I think there are a ton of scouts now doing these GM jobs because they pay a ton of money. Some of these guys are signing like three years. $2 million contracts. You're not getting that scouting the SEC for the Jags, you know.

And I think the opportunity in college football to get your foot in the door, I say this to any young person, if you are at a decent-sized school, definitely one of the Power 4 schools in the Big 12, the ACC, the SEC, and the SEC, and the PAC, it's not the Pac-10, the Big Ten, God, that hurts my heart, is you got an opportunity. All these programs have scouting departments. That did not exist when I was coming up the ranks. So it's never been easier.

It's hard to get in the NFL. But the feeder system in the NFL has always been college, but now it's way easier to get involved in college. I finally have a quality question to ask you. My father and I are discussing Mendoza, since we are both Big Raiders fans. He wants cousins to start the first eight games, then Mendoza can take the reins. I disagree.

I think Mendoza needs to start. right away. What is the point in asking Kirk Cousins to start the year when the whole world knows he's going to get benched for Mendoza at some point? Why not just start Mendoza the entire time? Curious your thoughts. I think Kubiak had to backtrack it a little bit. He said at the owner's meetings, ideally, a rookie quarterback, sits.

And then I think they land Kirk Cousins and people go, okay, so he's sitting for a year? And then I think they backtracked this week with SpyTech coming out. and saying, hey, the best guy's going to start. Because you spend all this money on your guys. If Cousins beats him out, he beats him out. If he's better in training camp, it's an easy transition to be like, hey, Fernando, you just keep grinding, keep getting better, keep learning the offense, and then you can play start.

But if Fernando Mendoza is the better quarterback, and it's clear to Gentie, Bowers, Crosby, the coaches, he's going to start. To me, I think this is a true one. you just let it organically happen. I don't think you need to cook the books. You go into training camp or you go into offseason. Cousins gets the one. Mendoza's get the two.

And as he learns the offense, maybe you rotate him a little bit. And then obviously, as you get into training camp and the pads come on and the bullets start flying a little bit in practice, you can kind of, I don't know if you go 50-50 right away, unless Mendoza's earned that. Because you can't just give him 50-50 right away if he doesn't know the playbook or anything.

But by all accounts, like that's going to be one. of his strengths. So if by the time training camp comes around, he knows all the place and he feels comfortable in the huddle. Because the other thing is, he's been a guy that's been a shotgun,

he's going to have to go under center. There is going to be a learning curve. But if we are in the late August and he's out playing them, I don't even think it'll be a hard decision. I just think Mendoza is going to play. Do you think NBC will lose Sunday football than Netflix or Amazon?

I think these networks are in major trouble. I saw, was it the Wall Street Journal? Someone forwarded to me. I kind of forget. I can't remember where I saw this, but I was reading a headline that said the NFL is looking to double their media deal. And in the article, maybe it was front office sports that I think the networks were hoping it would go up between like 25 to 40%. 25, ideally on the low end.

if Netflix and Amazon want to get aggressive and the owners don't just give loyalty out of the goodness of their heart for what CBS, Fox, and NBC have helped them build over the last couple decades in terms of the money machine that football is now, which I'm not sure they're going to do, they have no shot. If Netflix and Apple and Apple, or Apple, and Amazon wanted it all, they could offer numbers

these other people couldn't do. And if someone once told me if a network, one of the main networks lost football, they would potentially go, if CBS lost football, they would, they'd be fucked. They'd be done. You know, Fox still has college football.

I guess CBS does too, but I don't know if college football could carry you, given what the NFL brings at the table. So how they spread it out I think some of the older owners still like being on traditional television But it's pretty clear where we're headed And if you know Netflix has dipped their toe

How aggressive do they want to get What if Netflix is like hey we want the We want the Sunday morning international game Give us Sunday morning international game What's it worth to you guys? X we'll pay it because if Amazon or Netflix get into a bidding war with some of these networks, it's not a fair fight.

You know, it's like, it's not apples to apples. So that's where I think people keep complaining about these streaming networks. You just got to follow the money. And it's like, the NFL, so what would you do if you were them? It's like, wait, we're getting a dollar, but we could get two. we're getting 100 grand but we could get 200 grand we're getting 10 million or 10 billion but we could get 20 billion we all would do the same thing

because we're beholden to the past I'm on Netflix I'm on an Apple podcast and Spotify 20 years ago none of this existed I'm not like I whenever I see a young guy that got into digital is like I'm still open to going back to radio are you an idiot How would you be open to going back to radio?

It pains me because, like, guys, you're holding on to your youth, and I loved radio as a kid as much as any human being alive. Loved it. Listen to it 24-7. I used to have a little radio in junior high and high school, and definitely even probably fifth, sixth grade, right next to my bed, and I would listen that thing every single night. From music to Loveline to Sports Talk Radio, I listen to that yellow Walkman.

I've loved radio. But if you've done both at this point in time, and you're still like, I'd still love to go back to radio. I was like, guys, come on, man. It's like the guy of Blockbuster. Like, I still want to give out videos as Netflix is streaming stuff.

Come on, guys. Move on. Get with the times. And that's where I think the NFL is in this weird spot, is they still got some Jerry Jones and Robert Crafts, who I think still still. probably hold the relationship with, you know, CBS and Fox and NBC in high regard and its importance. But I can't imagine some of these younger owners and hell, some of them are like, hey, just look at the numbers.

Are we sure Matt Nagy is a good offensive coordinator? Looking at Kansas City offense over the past couple of years after Eric B. Enemy left, the offense has not been remotely the same. And when Nagy was the head coach in Chicago, that offense was stagnant and boring. I personally don't see it with Nagy. I'm biased. Love Matt Nagy. Andy Reid's the offensive coordinator in Kansas City. He calls the place.

Now, he's let Eric Bianami and Nagy call plays throughout games. But like Andy Reid is not a CEO head coach. The offense is his baby. They had injuries. Mahomes didn't play that well. They didn't win a couple of Super Bowls when Nagy was there. I would say the, The thing that did him in in Chicago is like his quarterback was Mitch Trevisky.

I'm not saying Nagy's Bill Walsh, but Mr. Trimisky, I mean, what was he supposed to do? So I think it's going to work. I think he's going to be good. Again, biased, it's not like I don't talk to him that much anymore, but we used to be pretty good buddies. And I think that's a good fit with their personnel. I would expect the Giants offense to be good. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. See, I always, I'm like the anti-Jurno.

I let you know my biases. I like this guy. I don't like this guy. Honestly, most of these guys, like I said, I met Brandon Staley, nice guy. Honestly, kind of felt bad for a split second. I was like, I probably went a little too far. I probably cut the line a couple times. I talk for a living.

You know, sometimes you can't help yourself. but we don't hide things here not sleeping in any of these coaches but yeah we will reconvene next week and we will get ready for this draft

which just needs to get here this is going to be a draft by the time we get to like the third round who who my team just draft what you could argue by the time we get the late first round

there are going to be some names like this guy went in the first round who's this guy? There's going to be some random picks the top 10 there'll probably be a random guy relative to the mocks but most of them

I don't think it's going to come out of left field like maybe like the corner from Tennessee or LSU goes to the Chiefs or something or the who knows right something like that but I think by the time we get to the 20s you better buckle up

because you're going to see names even if you're going to see names even if you live. love college football like myself and follow this stuff. You're like, everyone was saying this guy was going to go and throw around. But that's the type of draft we're about to get involved with, which is kind of entertaining because you could just have crazy, crazy stuff happened that no one saw coming. We will talk on Monday.

Y'all do a podcast Sunday afternoon. A little draft just to get the juices flowing. Talk soon. Adios. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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