The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Caleb Williams & Bears STUN Packers in OT Thriller on NFL Super Saturday

Episode Date: December 21, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 16 NFL Super Saturday matchup between Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers vs. Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. John kicks off by reacting to a HUGE OT win by Caleb Williams and the Bears to defeat the Packers in Week 16. John applauds Caleb Williams and head coach Ben Johnson for spearing the comeback effort in the game after the Packers had lost QB Jordan Love to a concussion. John then reacts to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles win vs. the Washington Commanders in Week 16. John wraps up by reacting to each of the College Football Playoff 1st round games: Alabama defeats Oklahoma on the road, Miami defeats Texas A&M in a defensive battle, and Oregon and Ole Miss blow out James Madison and Tulane, respectively. 02:48 - Packers-Bears Reaction 35:22 - Eagles-Commanders 39:26 - Alabama-Oklahoma 40:22 - Miami-Texas A&M 40:39 - JMU-Oregon | Tulane-Ole Miss Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. What is going on, everybody? Did we really just witness that? The Chicago Bears in one of the crazier comebacks. I would say if they're season, because they've had some, but definitely the craziest come back down 16 to 6 with five minutes left in the game get an onside kick

and Caleb Williams is you know I would say doing some work to establish one day I might have a statue in front of the stadium because that was a pretty iconic moment for a legendary franchise

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so we got a lot going on coming up here in the near future. But tonight's really all about Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. And listen, I mean, I talk about this sometimes. You got to be really careful about writing your script. I don't script podcasts, obviously. You can just see me talking into the camera. But the topics and the headlines and the things that you're fired up about. And once they got that onside kick, it obviously ruined everything.

and, you know, they were down 16 to 6 with five minutes left to go. And if you would have told me that earlier today before the game kicked off, and before we even talk any football, a lot of props to Chicago. I don't usually get like this. I definitely do sometimes on Saturdays throughout the fall. When you turn on a game and you go, that looks pretty cool. That looks like a place that I would want to be at. That looks like an incredible experience for everyone sitting in that stadium.

And because the Bears really since like the Earl Lacker Briggs days, and maybe in 2010 was their last really, really good season when they were in the NFC championship game, ironically they lost to that Aaron Rogers Packer team that went on to win the Super Bowl. We haven't seen them in that many enormous games late in the season at home. And when that game started, it felt like LSU Bama. It felt like Ohio State Michigan. It felt really big and really important. and Chicago obviously is one of our great sports towns in America and I've never lived there or anything but now living in Arizona, some of my neighbors, you know, are from there.

And it is a bear city. And that place being alive was freaking awesome. I mean, it was alive all early in the game and then obviously when they got that onside kick and that place was just rocking. But even throughout the game, And at one point in time, they're down 10 points in a windy game. You're like, this is going to be impossible.

They're just going to lose. Caleb was playing pretty well. If you would have told me that they were down 10 plus points, they only had six points with five minutes to go in the game. I bet Caleb didn't play well. If anything, I thought Jeff Halfley was doing a really good job of just corralling him. He throughout the game hadn't made play scrambling around doing what he has done all season. And he didn't get that many opportunities. because I looked in the fourth quarter, the Bears had 20 less plays, the time of possession

skewed heavily to the Packers, Green Bay ran the ball the night 44 times for 192 yards. It's not like he was two of 25. He just didn't get that many plays, didn't get that many past attempts. But they get the onside kick, and he just turned into Superman. A couple big runs, a nice throw to DJ Moore. And then once they got down to the goal line, again, Halfley's elite. I came away from that game thinking Jeff Halfley is awesome.

His timely blitzes and they were getting home. They did a really good job of not letting Caleb just like scramble around. Every time he would turn there would be a guy there. Clearly the coaching points on the, you know, keeping the lanes because Caleb is so dangerous when he's scrambling around.

And when they called that blitz on that game tying touchdown pass, Caleb, you know, when it left his hands, Because the previous two passes had been air mails, I assume like, oh my God, did he just miss him? Because all of a sudden you look. And this guy, I'll be honest, I don't know anything about. His name is Jaday Walker, the undrafted free agent.

Don't remember his college career, that's for sure. But when it left his hands, I'm like, I think he missed him. And it was honestly, like, if there had been a defender in front of him, if the Packers hadn't screwed up, it would have been like Joe Montana to Dwight Clark. It was a dime, obviously, in a great catch. It was just like the perfect play. And you went, what a moment for the young man.

And I'm a big Kevin Burkart fan. Listen, Tom Brady is vastly improved. And part of the compliment toward Tom Brady is you just watch his games. And you don't even, you know, last year's like, what is he talking about? Now it's just like, it's just a flow of the game. It's just really good.

It's an easy watch. and they were saying like, I think he'd go for two. I bet he's going to go for two. You do not go for two at home. You do not go for two at home when they have their backup quarterback in the game and you have one more win than them. You 100% do not do that. I don't care what these new spreadsheets say, what Paul D. Podesta and his 75 people

working for the Brown say as they win three games a year, I don't give a shit. You do exactly what Ben Johnson did. and Bent Johnson early in this game on that first drive when they drove right down the field and you went, this guy's got to dial the day. Had probably the worst play call of his career. Definitely of his career since he's called meaningful football. Right?

The last couple years with the Lions and obviously this year with the Bears, when DeAndre Swift had been running right down their throat, you have a quarterback who is just an exceptional athlete who can make shit happen with his feet. And they did some like snap it under a quarter. commets, like, as he's pretended to be the quarterback to do a tush push, to the running back that gets airmail, it was a disaster. And I bet I'm doing this right after the game. Ben Johnson's going to admit that that's beyond stupid. Listen, it happens. No one's perfect.

Like, I'm not acting like you can't do a dumb play call. It's just weird to see when you have one of the best play callers in the league who has been kind of, as the kids would say, in his bag all season long. But one thing that you have to do in these games, and I think it's Ben Harden, they kind of talked about it during the broadcast is, I think when Caleb was talking to Kevin and Tom, he's like, listen, you know, part of, you know, when you watch Steph Curry, he's going to, he doesn't anymore. But early on in his career, you're like, what the hell are you? Oh, great shot. And there is a huge element. Like, listen, I was wrong. I did not think this was going to work. I did not. And early in the season, his accuracy issues, what Ben Johnson would like in a player,

but the one thing Caleb has shown, which I respect the most when it comes to players, is mental toughness. And mental toughness doesn't show up in the first quarter. Mental toughness shows up late in games. Mental toughness shows up when you're fatigued. And what happens late in games? You've been hit a couple times. You're feeling it.

Mentally, physically, you are, you know, it takes big time focus. The majority of games in the NFL are within one score. in the fourth quarter. This is not JMU versus Oregon. This is not Tulane Ole Miss. In the NFL, when you have two good teams like the Packers and the Bears, let alone like what a bad team plays a good team. You get close games all the time. Hell, look at the Eagles in Washington throughout the first like two and a half quarters.

Tightly contested game. The NFL. And Caleb has shown time and time again like he's mentally pretty tough. There has never been any disputing his physical skills. Like that pass he made to tie the game, was, you know, getting rush coming back, back corner of the end zone was a big time throw. And obviously the runs on that drive were fantastic as well. He's done that all season long. He had DJ more over the middle. It was a fantastic drive. And then clearly the game winning throw is just only so many guys have that in the back. And I think to Malik Willis, we'll get into that in a second. Arm strength in these cold weather cities really, really, really.

matter. It really matters. And you saw it tonight on full display. And Jordan Love before he got hurt, same thing. You have to have a strong arm to function in the passing game in places like Chicago where the wind is gusting up to 30, 35 miles an hour. On top of it being 28, 30 degrees. I played golf this morning. It was 74 degrees. I can't relate to that. I despise the cold. So I respect it. But I've lived in Philly. We played a. We played I remember when we went to Chicago at the time, they had terrible field back in the day. Their field feels a little more buttoned up now.

But like his ability physically translates to that city. And clearly, you know, success creates confidence and builds on it. And obviously last year was just a complete disaster for everyone involved. And this year started getting a little weird early on. And what they have done simply, I mean, a large part, you know, the head coach has been brilliant the majority of the year. Tonight, I thought it was just the quarterback making place. Pulling shit out of this.

You know what, because the defensive coordinator on the other team is a guy that's going to be a head coach, probably in like a month and was doing a, I mean, that was unreal by him. And the floor most of the game, just running the ball, slowing down, controlling the clock, ugling up. That was a classic Kyle Shanahan game. Right? Like, we got some injuries. And then our backup quarterback comes in.

The only way we can win, ugly this thing up. Now, we might take a shot or two, but we are not going to get into like a big, you know, a big, you know what swing contest with you. Because you have your starting quarterback in. You got DJ Moore and Cole Comet and Loveland, a bunch of guys, our guys are dropping like flies. And we got to ugly this thing up.

And it wasn't until the end where it kind of got more in the bear's favor. And once they got that, Is there a crazier play in sports than the onside kick? I was thinking like a walk-off home run. I've seen a million of those. Right? A game-winning shot. Like I've seen maybe like a game-winning shot from full court

because it is so unexpected. When an on-side kick happens, I think it's crazy when it even takes a crazy bounce. And the team that's kicking the ball even has a chance. even has a chance to get it. Because I feel like the majority of onside kicks, if we just took the last 50 onside kicks, 80% of them aren't even close,

either don't bounce crazy, don't bounce high, go right to a guy, go fire out of bounds, like it's never even a play. Then maybe 10% or 15% of the remaining, take a really good bounce, but the guy just catches and hit the ground.

And then the tiny, tiny, tiny, I know they said 8% of the time it works. Penae Sewell's brother, 44, was a step away. And Dobbs looks up as the ball's taking a weird bounce because, listen, that guy's not paid to cover. He's paid to hit. And Noah Sewell was about to fucking rock his world. And he felt it.

And he flinched. And that's the only way an outside kick happens. Either the guy just bungles it because it takes a weird bounce or. he gets a little scared. And we can make fun of football all we want about being softer than ever. And relative to what it was 30, 40 years ago, 100%. But that play, there's not that much space between the guys. They're running full speed.

You're down on a knee. At least if you're a punt returner. Like, if you want to, you can make a business decision. You can fair catch it. You can just move out of the way. Like, on an outside kick, if you're standing there on the hands team, or you're on your knees trying to, you know, make a play like you're a second baseman, there's no safety.

And they're putting guys on defense like Noah Sewell that are just paid to do one thing. Rock people's world. And it happened. And that was, I would say, the craziest wow moment of the game. There were three of them, the two touchdown passes. But like, I don't think we're that shocked. Like, we've seen very talented quarterbacks make great plays. And Caleb, both those passes.

especially the game winner was, I mean, as gorgeous as you're ever going to see. But like, when he lets it rip, you're thinking like, this could be caught, right? Both passes. When the onside kick happens, you're like, let's just, the Packers is going to win. And then your jaw hits the floor. Now, here's the other thing. When they got the ball back, because they were getting crushed for running on the kicker, and Tom was like, you got to hurry up, you got to hurry up.

I hear you most games, like if you're indoors, or, you know, it's a 75-degree day in Chicago in late September. The wind is pumping. It's kind of intense. Like, it's a pretty big moment for the kicker. If he misses the game is 100% over. I understood, like, the urgency behind Tom saying to hurry up. But I also understood from the kicker's perspective of, like, bro, I got to take my steps right.

We got to be careful here. I got to play 20, 30-mile-hour wins. I got to play this little hook. Like, it's not an easy shot. It's like the equivalent of golf, if you're hitting a T shot with wind and there's water. Like, I have no margin for error here. So was it ideal?

No, but like, I do think he had to take his time because no matter what, he had to hit the kick. And I also think that there would have been coaches in the NFL that when they got, because it was 159. They had two timeouts. Now, the Bears defense, they're not known for their defense, right? They get takeaways. they create turnovers.

I mean, they got one a night against Josh Jacobs, down by the red zone. They created another one on the onside kick. I mean, they're just, they're blessed when it comes to the turnovers. But like, they're not a great event. You could have been like, hey, we're going to kick it off. We got two timeouts. And hopefully we can tackle them somewhere between the 20 and the 30. Get a stop.

Get the ball back with, let's say, a buck 10, a buck 15. And let Caleb be Caleb. I don't think that would have been the craziest thing. Now, you could argue that, you know, they've been running the ball well. They do have their backup quarterback in. And while he did a valued job, it made some unreal plays. And the package served a lot of credit for his improvement because it has truly been incredible that I think you could have done it. And once they got it, it was on like Donkey Kong because you give the Bears and Caleb the ball back at the 50 yard line with multiple timeouts.

they were kind of on easy street. They did not have to rush at all. He could take his time, have a couple scrambles, hit a couple outroutes. But then anytime in that situation, it's like, especially if you make some positive plays,

once you get down toward, uh, once you get down toward like the red zone, because they were at like the 12 yard line on first and 10, he hits Loveland for six yards, little out route. He gets out of bounds. Next pass is incomplete.

So all of a sudden you look up and it's like, it's third and four. Now, they still could have got a first down. It wasn't third in goal. But you're like, this is a little tricky spot. Because for the most of the drive, they just drove right down. He had DJ more over the middle. He scrambled for a play. And then once it gets third and four, you go, God, I kind of get tight.

So I start thinking like are Caleb, Ben? Like, you guys, this is a pretty big play. And I think clearly over the course of the season, you would have felt pretty confident because you'd be like, oh, Caleb's just going to scramble around, make something happen. Worst case scenario gets it with his legs. But they'd been doing such a good job throughout the game that you weren't quite as confident.

And clearly you looked at the line of scrimmage, it felt like there were seven or eight yellow jerseys. It's like, I think he's bringing the house. And on the third down play, he brought the house. And Caleb airmails the ball. And then on the fourth down play, He brought the house again and he hit him in the back of the end zone

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Now, that wasn't necessarily the case, right? The Packers had a six-play, 43-yard drive, and he fumbled the ball at the Chicago 36. So it's like they had successful plays. They couldn't kick a field goal from that distance. It would have been 46, 50 plus yard field goal with the win. Pretty risky. I have no problem for them going for it.

Now, the fumble was obviously just a complete kick in the you know what. And then Caleb four plays later throws the bomb, the DJ Moore, who, I mean, just an absolute gorgeous ball. And, you know, it gets back to one thing why Caleb was anointed so early was the physical gifts. I mean, the arm is just elite. And Colin and I have been talking about this all year long. I mean, part of the reason, like, I've always said I can live with interceptions.

You want to throw 14 interceptions throughout season? Who cares? Do you throw me 40 touchdowns? The year Matt Stafford and the Rams won the Super Bowl in 21, he threw 17 picks. He also threw 41 touchdowns. I can't live with 17 interceptions if you're throwing 25 touchdowns. Right?

I can live with mistakes. if you're giving me the big place. And then when you factor in, Caleb has become one of the better scramblers. I don't consider him a true runner, but watching the game before, watching like Marriota and Jalen, who are viewed as running quarterbacks. Jalen doesn't run as much as he did early in his career.

I feel like Caleb's faster than both those guys. Like Caleb's speed, at one point tonight, I was like, I understand that it's never been a part of his offense since he became an offensive coordinator with Jared Goff. But I would have, I'd be careful because clearly, you know, he's your starting quarterback. But he's pretty good at avoiding hits.

Like getting on the ground. I would have some designed runs for Caleb Williams, besides just the passes where he creates something out of nothing. And I thought there were points in time throughout the game because they were doing with Malik Willis. I'm like, I think you could do this with Caleb and it would be effective. because their run game at one point tonight, they had 26 carries for 150 yards,

which is not bad, but it didn't feel like they were quite as dominant as they'd been. They had drives where they were very successful, but I thought there were moments where it's like, you could use Caleb's legs here. Like, he's pretty fast. You could have some like RPO, zone read stuff where you kind of freeze people and just let him take off.

And he ended up doing that. you know, kind of anyway, toward the end of the game when he scrambled around. He was, I mean, it was a defining moment of the young man's career. I mean, it was, tonight was really, really big. And it was really, really cool. I was a football fan. And listen, the Bears, they're having a season. I mean, they're 11 and 4.

Their next game is against the 49ers who play on Monday night football on the road. Do you know the advantage? Obviously, this big, this win, I mean, the next two days, one on the team will even be able to focus. Don't even blame them. I mean, you're, you're going to be riding high. But the team you play does not play tomorrow. They don't even play Monday day. They play Monday at night on the East Coast in Indianapolis. What time are they going to get back to San Francisco? Now, it's a road game for the Bears, but can you imagine the advantage of basically, it don't get 24-hour advantage. They get 48-plus hours advantage. And they were already going to have

an advantage in the sense that like they have pretty dynamic offensive players. The 49ers are rolling out a lot of backups. It's going to be a tough matchup for the 49ers. Then you factor in the rest advantage. I think the bears have a very, very good chance to win that game. And then potentially, I mean, the Lions could be K-Oed out of the playoffs by week 18. And who knows by the seating? And, you know, the Packers play the Ravens next week.

So there's no guarantee that they're even going to win that game. I mean, this division could be wrapped up. you know, who knows, by the time that they play the 49ers on Sunday night football. But definitely if they were to win that game, I mean, I think there's a decent chance that this division's over. So congratulations to the Bears. Congratulations to Caleb Williams. Just remarkable improvement throughout the season. Truly has been.

And he's a fun player to watch. He's tonight with the biggest moments, made incredible fucking plays. The touchdown pass to end the game was just a thing of beauty. Great catch by DJ Moore. At one point in time, now there were points in time late in that game where he clearly was gassed that you wondered like, did he just break his collarbone or something? Because he was laying there and then clearly he got up and started celebrating everyone was having a good time.

But that was, listen, I don't pretend to be a bearish historian, but in recent memory, you know, post like the, end of the earlacher through Cutler, kind of like 2010 run, this has to be one of their better wins of the last 15 years.

And you could argue it's their best win. You know, for a team that they just could not beat. When it was 16, 6 and 5 minutes left, you went, listen, Chicago, you're still going to go to the playoffs. You're having a fantastic season. For whatever reason, this team just owns you. I don't even know how to describe it, but that they just own you.

And then, you know, they don't own them. They just, the ownership felt like it ended. Now, not for good. The Packers are still a well-run franchise. They're not going anywhere. But for as great of a win as that was for Chicago, and that was a great win, a great win.

That was a devastating loss for the Packers. I don't know how anyone with the Packers will be able to sleep for days. One, the emotional, toll they had coming into this game after losing Micah Parsons for the season. Had to just be weighing on everyone in the organization, players, coaches, scouts, you name it. Then, early in this game, your starting quarterback, who looked pretty solid and was probably going to have a solid game, gets absolutely obliterated, clear like, this guy ain't

coming back in the game, never see him again, Helmut gets taken away. They go to Malik Willis, who, when they, when they, They traded a seventh round pick, I think, at the end of training camp last year, from Malik Willis. I would say they were universally mocked and made fun of because most people, I was probably guilty of this too, just thought Malik Willis could not play in the NFL. The guy, the Malik Willis we watched tonight was like, good player. Malik Willis made multiple big throws. Obviously the touchdown pass. He made a great throw over the middle to Musgraves. He had a Jaden Reed on a play over the middle. Like his numbers, will not reflect how good

Malik Willis was tonight, especially when you factor in some of the games they were talking about tonight on the broadcast were games when Jordan Love was just out. So he was the starter Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. This guy, and even Brady, like, he ain't getting any reps during the week. He's like, and they ain't changing the game plan at least till halftime because you're just running with the game plan as he's in the first half with Jordan. You don't have time.

You're just calling the plays that were already in the game plan. he's clearly studied it with Jordan but you're not adapting till halftime where you kind of got to scrap some stuff really sit down and talk with them like hey what are we like what are we going to do what are some stuff we've done in previous games like there's a lot going on

and he goes 9 of 11 for 120 yards throws a touchdown he also had 10 carries for 44 yards I mean he was awesome so he comes in to spell love who's caoed out of the game plays fantastic on the road

windy, cold game, has you up 10 points, and you lose? I don't know how you shake that. And I respect the shit out of the Packers. Because that move is classic, right? Right. That is a move that you go, this guy's undervalue. We like this guy coming out. We think he's a high character guy.

We think physically he's really gifted. I mean, listen, Anthony Richardson, look at that guy. because he was a guy I think he came out of liberty he could run he had a big arm had no clue where it was going played in the NFL

was just a debacle for the Titans several years later he's a real NFL player like I think like could he be an NFL bridge quarterback at least like he's got some skills and they have coached this guy up he's improved dramatically

he deserves a lot of credit you know the culture of this building you just come to this ain't Tennessee You come to Green Bay We uplift everyone that improves We have one of the highest floors As a franchise in the NFL And we're beating the Bears

We're gonna have complete ownership of them Until we didn't And now we're not winning the division We I mean We still gotta battle our ass off to make the playoffs You know we'll see what happens with the Lions And the Pittsburgh Steeler game tomorrow

But we Like what is going on? how did this happen? We're well-run organization. We trade two first-round picks. We pay a guy $200 million. He's got a torn ACL. I just don't know what you do.

We're doing everything the right way. And now we're 9-5-1. Tonight ultimately didn't, you know, might indirectly end their season, but their season was lost when they lost if they missed the playoffs or a one-and-done team in the playoffs because they're the seven-seed and didn't win the division.

Because you lost the Browns, you tied the Cowboys. like you can't that can't happen. You had a 10 point lead against the Browns in the fourth quarter. You should not at that time be losing or tying the Cowboys. That cannot happen. And all of a sudden, instead of being 9-5-1, you have the same record as the Bears,

even if you lose this game in that fashion. But you set yourself up for this with that. And I tweeted this when Malik Willis came in and like made one play. I said if Matt LaFleur, can win this game with Malik Willis on the road when he did not prepare to be the starter, you have to give him a contract extension tomorrow.

And honestly, I thought for the most part, he did a good job. And what he's done with Malik Willis is pretty remarkable. And their defensive coordinator is freaking awesome. And they're still 9-5-1. And it felt like they had like four more injuries tonight. Now, Emmanuel Wilson, he was kind of an old. older, I think small school guy, was running his ass off tonight.

And clearly Jacobs is banged up and they were just riding the hot hand. But I just, I don't know what you do. I mean, the Bears, I wrote it down, they had 10 penalties at one point in time. They ended with 10 penalties for 105 yards. Packers only had four. So you're winning a game by 10 points. They have 10 penalties. And I just, I don't know how you shake it.

That is, it doesn't get any better. If I'm a Bears fan, it's one of the best wins we've ever, I can ever remember, right? I'm sure you had some back in your heyday. But that's as good as it gets, especially playing that franchise on Saturday night, leading into the week of Christmas, everyone's at home, everyone's watching that game. Tom Brady's on the call. I bet 35 million people watch, be my guess. Maybe I'm crazy, 30 million people, a ton of people watch.

And you still lose? I don't know how you shake that. I really don't. And I think the Packers are well run. I think they have a good coaching staff. They clearly have good players. I mean, how they got good backups. And they still found a way to lose tonight.

That one, I'm not saying this calls into question LaFleur's job, but it's kind of the way the NFL works, fair or not. He was coming into this season coaching for a contract extension. I mean, that was an established fact by the new president. And now he's 9-5-1. there's a chance they go to the playoffs as like the seven seed is 10 5 and 1

I guess would that be 16 maybe 10 6 and 1 if they split the last two games and they limp in and they get knocked out it's like what do you do you just give them a reprieve because some weird shit happened because you had a bunch of injuries do you try to improve do you just go with halfly but then you still like clearly the floor is good at working

with quarterbacks which is an extremely valuable skill I don't know I don't know the answer. I personally think he's good. But, you know, you watch tonight, like, I don't think there's that much of a difference. You know, Ben's obviously, this is first year coaching. I would say if you did a draft from scratch,

I would imagine fair or not. I mean, LaFleur's resume is much longer. And we live in a little bit of a society that what have you done for me lately? But I do think if you just pulled GMs, who would you take Ben Johnson? or Matt LaFleur. I think most people would take Matt LaFleur, or excuse me, Ben Johnson, right?

And those are type of questions that in Green Bay internally, they will ask. Again, I'm not pinning this game on him by any means, but it was a big picture question coming into the season. And this is a results-based business. You know, Brandon Staley used to talk about this, and bad coaches always talk about like, well, I think our process is right.

You're not judged on your process. Nick Saban writes books about his process because he won six titles. Jeff Bezos writes books about the process because he runs the biggest company in the world. I mean, no one cares about the process of the Cleveland Browns and Paul D. Podesta. No one cares about the Colorado Rockies

who lose 120 games a year about their process. Even if it's right, no one gives a shit. So I want to hear about Ben Johnson's process. What has he done? What's Caleb Williams' process? Because they're getting results. That's the way the world works. Always has, always will.

So I just think the Packers thing is going to get, it could get weird. And the Bears are just, I don't know, man. They're living well. Congrats to Caleb Williams for just definitely his most iconic moment as, you know, in his young career so far in the NFL. To do that on Saturday night football. walk-off bomb. You know, we don't see, like I said,

an on-side kick is probably the least likely thing we see. It's pretty rare. You know, football's not quite like basketball. You usually don't have like walk-off touchdowns. It's more walk-off field goals. But in overtime, every once in a way, you get walk-off touchdowns, it's pretty rare you just get the walk-off. Sometimes you get like a walk-off blown coverage

and a guy walks in or a big run. It's pretty rare. You just get like a walk-off. walk-in absolute bomb catch for a touchdown that's contested, right? The DB was right there. It wasn't like, you know, DJ's wide open, he's got to hit him. Like, the guy was all over. And how long was that catch? 46 yards. DJ Moore was good tonight. Five catches for 97 yards in the touchdown. Menongize a beast. What a game. What a game. A couple quick things before we get out of here. I don't have much to say on the Eagles game. They ended up blowing him out in the

second half. I mean, Washington's unwatchable. They really, really bad. I mean, Josh Johnson came in. I just had to go to his Wikipedia again. He has played on so many freaking teams. He's played like seven different leagues too. XFL, UFL, NFL, NFL. NFL. I mean, the guy, the guy came into the NFL in 2008 for Tampa Bay. I'm pretty sure. I didn't count it up. Maybe I'll do a segment this week. I think he's played for like 15 teams in the league. It's pretty insane. He's 39 years old. You just look up, a guy gets injured, he's in the game. But, you know, Philly, I think they won the division tonight, right? Their games are going to always look the same.

Like, if they're going to win playoff games, it's going to be ugly. Like, they're not going to win games and look great. That's not the way they've played all season long. Their offense is just really, really weird. I mean, tonight it got going in the second half. Sequin kind of started going off but they're playing the worst defense in the league like whoever they play in the playoffs in the first round

they're going to host a game right the 49ers Seattle Green Bay it's going to be a weird game and I would imagine if they win multiple players they're all going to be weird so defensively they're good offensively they have a ton of pieces

they can have drives where it just looks horrendous right and Jalen is just a bizarre player but then he can just go on stretches where it's like Devante, AJ, Sequin, Goddard, you're like, that was sweet. That's the bizarre part. It's like we understand, you know, Malik Willis has to play, right?

Or it's super cold and windy. It's understandable that the game, you know, is 16 to 13 or 16 to 9. Like, yeah, that's the way games are in freezing cold. But whenever you watch the Eagles, you're like, you got AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Seacquan, Barclay and Dallas Goddard, and you can't get first downs for,

quarters at a time against this defense? How is this possible? You have seven points going to halftime? What's going on? Now, part of it, and here's the kicker. Here's the one concern for the Philadelphia Eagles. When your margin is really small, which clearly it is because of their offense,

your kicker is kind of important. Your defense is good, and it's going to be good, especially if it's pretty healthy coming in, want to keep an eye on Jalen Carter. But like, Jake Elliott missing a bunch of kicks is a problem. And that's going to throw off Siriani in their analytical department because they will punt on having him kick if he missed a couple kicks down the stretch.

You know, I'm talking about down the stretch of these next couple of games leading in to the playoffs. Like, they're just going to run them out now that these games don't necessarily matter into high pressure point situations. And if he can't kick, like I, the other thing is, like, they won't be afraid to like make a move. You know, if he is untrustworthy and they go, we're going to be in a game that's going to be like 17 to 15.

And it's the difference of him missing an extra point in a field goal from 40 yards, us going to the next round or not. We can live and die with Jalen playing shitty, right? Or Mitchell or, you know, some of our guys on defense, Cooper DeGene, if we get beat with them playing shitty, like, okay, so be it. But we are not going down because of our kicker. I promise you, Howie Roseman will not go down, Jeffrey Lurie with their kicker. If the offense, because they got some offensive line injuries and Jalen play shitty,

there's nothing you can do about that. But there is with a kicker. There's a million kickers on the street who can make field goals. We see it all the time. So I think the Jake Elliott thing these last 14 days, something to keep an eye on. Now it's hard to make a kicker switch, right? Especially a guy that's been a kicker for a long time. But I think that's a pretty big problem right now for them.

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You know, and he's just a complete roller coaster ride. And the more he throws, the worse he gets. and Cailin Dubor Bruce Feldman put this out last night 7 and 1 against top 10 opponents but he's a big game coach he's pretty good everyone acted like he's the village idiot

because he lost to Georgia oh yeah he beat them the previous two times he played him he's a good coach is it a little bit of a weird fit in Alabama yes is Cailin DuBore good at coaching football like Kirk Cignette said Google him

he wins a lot he's gonna be fine he would win anywhere he went Now he's going to do it a little differently, but that was a fantastic win. And Mateer, I mean, you talk about a guy through the first couple weeks. It looked like he was going to win the Heisman to break his hand. Now he goes, you're going to come back to be their quarterback next year? But listen, fantastic win by Alabama.

I watched the second half of Miami, Texas A&M. That's just a terrible product. No one wants to watch a game that looks like that. No one does. That was awful. But a bunch of NFL defensive and offensive linemen. Physical game, quarterback's not great, is what it is. The other two games are an embarrassment.

And I know a lot of people are going to talk about this. Not in a million years because the Fresno Grizzlies or the Sacramento Rivercats have a fantastic season in AAA. Do they get to play the Phillies or the Dodgers in the playoffs? What are we doing? It's clearly about money. It's clearly about litigation. Let's figure a way out.

Get with your TV partners. Create them a playoff. Never again do we want to watch. And I know Clat, I think he took a lot of shit because he took a shot at the March Madness, which I'm in agreement, March Madness is incredible. But football is not March Madness. No one wants to watch the little guy ever.

And when we kind of did, maybe 20 years ago, Boise State with Kellyn Moore played on a team that 11 guys got drafted. If it was 2025, probably nine of those guys would have been bought by Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma. They wouldn't have been on the team, including Kellyn potentially. Those teams won't exist ever again. Hell, it's difficult for teams like Arizona State who just

paid their coach $7.5 million, Kenny Dillingham to stay in his first press conference after signing the contract, he gets on a microphone and begs for $20 million. Says, is there a rich guy in Scott Staler, Phoenix that can write me a $20 million check? Historically, when you bake for $20 million, That was a huge donation to the program and it would last a long time. He's talking about his roster in 2006. That pays for one roster. One.

And you still wouldn't even have the highest paid roster in your own conference to Big 12 because Texas Tech has a billionaire funding them. There is no room for the little guy in college football. This is not basketball. They are not apples to apples. In college basketball, it's very possible

because a random guy from a random school can hit a bunch of threes. they can press you full court. They can just do different shit. College football is not that way. You saw some of those defensive linemen for Miami. There is no one at JMU. There was no one at Tulane.

There is no one at Boise State. There is no one at any of those schools right now that was going to block those guys ever. And for the most part, even when the little of the engine could, got their shot, they didn't pull Boise, pull the upset against Oklahoma. I remember this vividly.

When Hawaii played Georgia in a bowl, game years ago with Colt Brennan and the right tackle for Hawaii or could have been the left tackle got beat on every single play and Colt got killed. He got destroyed. In Hawaii had absolutely no business being on the field against them. It was honestly pretty embarrassing. And more often than not, that's what you get. So we had blowouts and I guess JMU ended up covering, but this has to end. It has to end. There has to be divisions. There's a reason Montana played Montana State, because they're both in D1A. They both are on the same level. Tulane should be playing JMU in their own version of the playoffs. That's only fair. Notre Dame, Texas,

Vanderbilt, whoever should have been in those two spots. We all knew it. So there's no reason to complain about it because we all knew at the moment the rules forced us to watch that. I don't blame Oregon or Ole Miss. I mean, they just play who they get, the selection committee forces them to play. But if you gave Dan Landing truce here, we're like, yeah, this is a joke.

What are we talking about here? So we just, hopefully this year, like the key is going to be getting the TV partners involved and funneling them some money. Because I'm pretty sure that JMU and Tulane each got $8 million. Now, I think they have to split some of that with their conference. Maybe they get two shares and the rest of the conference teams or programs get one each. But like it just, it just has to stop. But again, congratulations. Caleb Williams. What a freaking

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