The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Chargers take down Bengals, Overrated or Underrated

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

John is back reacting to a late-game thriller that saw the Los Angeles Chargers and superstar QB Justin Herbert take down Joe Burrow’s Cincinnati Bengals by a score of 34-27. John explains that this is exactly why you pay Head Coach Jim Harbaugh to win the big game against a struggling AFC rival before diving several reasons why the Chargers could make some noise in the NFL playoffs. Next, John recaps a battle between two top-5 NFL quarterbacks in Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, and explains why the Chargers QB1 is a “complete freak show” on the gridiron. After, Middlekauff waxes poetic about former LSU Heisman trophy winner and No. 1 overall draft pick Joe Burrow, making a comparison to Peyton Manning or Tom Brady’s innate football instincts. Then, John recaps the rest of a loaded NFL Sunday slate including Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills taking down an UNDEFEATED Patrick Mahomes led Chiefs squad, and Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Finally, another electric edition of overrated/underrated. 5:25 - Sunday Night Football Recap 18:45 - Lamar against good teams 35:14 - Overrated or Underrated Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are we doing, my friends? Hopefully everyone's having a great day morning, whenever you may be listening to the this. We just watched a little Sunday night football. Joseph Burrow, I don't even know if that's his real game. Came storming back in the second half, but Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert and the Chargers, they prevail. So we'll dive into that game. That thing was bananas. That was, if you would have told me Chargers, Bengals, would be one of the more entertaining halves of the year. I don't know if I'd believe you, but I guess the Chargers, historical

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Then the Chargers go three and out in the blink of an eye. And then the Bengals go three-and-out pretty much equally as fast. So game was wild. The Chargers, just big picture before we dive. into the nuts and bolts, definitely of the ending, but even the second half.

Two things really jumped out to me. One, this is why you give a guy 16, 17 million. Because the Chargers have lost that exact game. They played in that exact game. Sometimes they were the team in front like they were tonight, and the other team came storming back. Sometimes it was flip-flopped. They were the team that was down 24 to 6, 27 to 6, and came stormed back to take the

lead, or to tie the game. but they have lost that game. The overwhelming majority of my adult life, and I turned 40 last month, they always lose that game. I have seen the Chargers over the course of the last 20 years play in so many

4 o'clock window games, for those of you on the East Coast, for those of us on the West Coast, the 1 o'clock kickoff, and the last quarter of football look something like that. and under Brandon Staley Anthony Lynn

Mike McCoy they have lost that game and listen it's football sometimes things are going to go bad sometimes you're going to have a stretch where your star quarterback fumbles and gives them

good field position and an easy drive for a touchdown where your punter fucks up and gives them a short field and all of a sudden you have a big lead and you're like what the hell happens and bad coaches lose that game. And Jim Harbaugh wins that game. Because I promise you this. If Brandon Staley was their

coach, if Anthony Lynn was their coach, if Mike McCoy was their coach, there is no way I am sitting here right now talking about a Chargers victory, talking about a team who is going to the playoffs. One of my great regrets is verbalizing, and I'm a podcast host, so I kind of have to, of like, I love the Chargers to make the playoffs. And all of you guys who listen, and even some people in like the media, I got Doug Gottlie who's a Charger fan, who's

talking to me before the season, no way, not enough weapons, they've gotten rid of too much. They're going to make strides, they're not a playoff team. They're not going to the playoffs. They're at worst going to be the sixth seed. And honestly, there's a pretty good chance with the Ravens losing. They're the five seed. All because of one man.

Justin Herbert has been a really good player for a while. Kaleel is injured, but when he plays, he's awesome. Same thing with Derwin James. We knew Slater, the left tackle was good. Joe Alt would be good anywhere. This team, I could give him a lot of random coaches. Probably win seven, eight games.

I give him Jim Harbaugh, boom, 11, 12 wins. And I'll promise you this. On the road in that first round, depending on the matchup, if they're the five-seat and they're playing Houston Texans, they're winning that game. This guy's incredible. When have we ever seen?

We've seen a lot of guys going back to when I was young, Jimmy Johnson, Oklahoma State, Miami, dominate, dominate, cowboys, then dominate. And then he's just an NFL guy. We have seen a lot of coaches go college to the NFL and then you stay. We rarely see guys. We've seen guys go college to the NFL, fail, and then go back to college and dominate again. When do we see a guy? College, dominate.

Go to the NFL, dominate. go back to college dominate, Natty. Then go back to the NFL, take a franchise that's a laughing stock, boom, immediately, dominate. 11 and 6, 12 and 5,

year one. This team won five fucking games last year. I think sometimes we forget it. Because a lot of times the Chargers, they have been close. Remember a couple years ago playing Derek Carr on the Sunday night football

the last game of the season and they lost? they've had a lot of seasons like that where they're a fringe like 8, 9, 10 win team right on the cuss, maybe get a wild card. Last year, they won five games. Part of that, Brandon Staley, one of the worst head coaches you'll ever see. Somehow the 49ers hired them

and their season is torpedoed. That's a whole other conversation. Jim Harbaugh, man, works, wonders wherever he goes. The other thing that jumped out to me. There are five quarterbacks in the world who are just absolutely elite at their job, who are either young, prime of their career, guys, you know, 30, sub-30. I would say Matt Stafford would be the sixth guy,

but you're talking about a much older player. He's been in the league since 2008. He's 36, 37 years old. But when he's on, he can play as well as that group of five. We saw two of those five players tonight on that field. Obviously, Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson are the other three. But the level of talent that those two individuals possess is incredible to watch. If you love football, like Justin Herbert is a complete freak show.

He's 6'4, 240, 245 pounds with a howitzer for an arm. We have seen guys like that hell, we're watching one in Buffalo, become Hall of Fame level players. And it's cool to watch Jim Harbaugh, you know, help him go to the next level. and over time as they improve the skill guys around him, it will look a lot better. I like Ladd-McConkie, but when he's basically your number one wide receiver,

your office is going to have some limitations. The cool thing about Joe Burrow is he's not as big and as tall and as physical of a runner as Justin Herbert. He doesn't have that arm strength. But when you watch and play, you go, I don't think it's humanly possible to play better football

than that guy played in the second half. They're down 27 to 6. And Joe Burrell, on three straight drives in the second half, leads three touchdowns, and there are plays throughout those touchdown drives where you either breaking tackles in the backfield, scrambling around, pushing the ball down the field. It just doesn't get any better.

That's as good as it gets when it comes to NFL quarterback play. And I think when you think of that crew, those five guys, Mahomes a freak, right? I mean, huge arm, huge playmaker, big time athlete, obviously the best, right, over the course, his resume over the closer to the last five or six years. Lamar Jackson is the most remarkable runner we've ever seen. We'll dive into him and he's improved a lot as a pastor, but his running is what separates him. Josh Allen is like

if Cam Newton was also accurate as a pastor That's what that is And Justin Herbert is like some version of that And you go Well Joe Burrow, he doesn't quite have the arm as these other guys He's definitely the slowest of the group Yet his innate skills Are like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady

And the underrated part about him Is because You know, he doesn't move as well as those guys he gets mollywopped, and I mean destroyed several times a game. And tonight, because literally their season is on the line, if they win this game, they're 5 and 6, and they got a little life. I mean, they got so much talent they could rattle off some wins,

and all of a sudden it's like, oh, the Bengals are 7 and 7. Can they run the table and get to 10 and 7 and make the playoffs? That would be on the table. They had to win the night. And that motherfucker is just getting, I mean, absolutely smashed. There was a play where they called a personal foul on number 93, which again, I don't know when you're 300 pounds and you tackle the quarterback and you're in the middle of the air, they're like, you can't drive him to the ground.

What is that human being supposed to do? Is he supposed to float away like he's Superman? Is he supposed to like grow wings and fly off the top and float off Joe Brubon? Burroughs body, obviously it's humanly impossible to do that, and it never happens, and that penalty is called all the time. The defensive line, there's nothing he can do. It's like, well, you got to do what? I'm running full speed. I break the offensive linemen's grips, and I hit the quarterback. I can't control my body. We're going to the fucking ground, and I land on top of him. And you saw Joe Burroughs face. I can't even imagine the pain he felt when that guy not only

drove him into the ground, but then was lying on top of him. And there were several other plays throughout tonight, where as he's letting rid of the ball, a guy is coming through his side and hitting him at warp speed. And you just see Burroughs' body fly one way or the other. And every single time he just gets up and he starts kind of like grimacing to the next, wherever the ball went, and wherever they're going to spot the ball. And I say this all the time about the quarterback position.

It's a sexy position, right? They get all the money. They get all the fame. They usually get all the women. Life's fucking great when you're good at that position. It doesn't get any better. They are the superstars of the league. To be a great player at that position,

your toughness has to be a 10 out of 10. If your toughness is a question mark at that position, you are limited how good you can be. One of Mahomes' defining characteristics is how tough he is. Lamar has some deficiencies in these big games as a passer. No one has ever or will ever question how tough the guy is. Josh Allen's toughness sometimes is like a detriment. It's like Josh, you can't take on these seven defenders and lower your shoulder.

You saw tonight, hey Justin, we need you to slide. We all know you're one of the toughest guys on the field. And Joe Burrow is like, I would say his toughness has been one of the defined. finding parts of his career because of how often he's hit. And to watch him make play after play tonight as just a fan of football was truly a joy to watch. I mean, it really was. Now, from the game standpoint, I mean, those three drives, those three touchdowns,

the difference in the two offenses is Herbert and Harbaugh don't have a Jamar Chasing or T. Higgins. I mean, we've been talking about Jamar Chase the last couple weeks because we've been comparing him to Justin Jefferson and how big the gap is. He's a great player. And T. Higgins, when he's healthy, is damn good too. I mean, that is as good of a one-two combination when they're both healthy and rolling and the quarterbacks playing well as you will find in the NFL.

I like Ladd McConkey a lot, but if that's the guy you have to rely on, like your offense is going to have some limitations. I thought the Chargers, which is weird because a knock on Greg Roman, is he always runs the ball. Like, that's been a knock throughout his career. He doesn't run a great passing game.

Tonight, it felt like they barely ran it in the second half. I mean, under two minutes when McPherson missed the kick, which he's obviously missed multiple long kicks tonight. I mean, I don't want to say he cost them the game, but that was a pretty devastating mess within their two minutes. And it wasn't really close. You know, Tucker has been one of the best kickers in the league for a long, long time. I don't want to say he's shot, but you got a massive red flag on his career.

And McPherson, when the bangles were making their run, was beyond nails. I mean, you rolled him out. He was making the kick. And the moment your kicker becomes a liability, it's like in baseball if your bullpen sucks. It's like, what are you going to do? You just kind of keep your fingers crossed when you pull the guy in out of the pen.

It's like in basketball, when one of your players can't shoot free throws. Well, the game's going to be close. If our team's good, especially in playoff games, what do we do? you're kind of screwed. And in football, this is not college football. Where when it was 27 to 6 and one team's beaten the living piss out of the other, that game tends on Saturdays to turn into 48 to 15. We're in the NFL at any given moment a team could be up 14 points, 21 points,

one quarter later is tied. One quarter later, they're down four. That's how fast it happens. The difference of talent in this league, is much, much smaller than on Saturday. Obviously, a team like the Bengals that's 4 and 7 have a ton of high-end players. And once McPherson missed the kick,

Harbaugh had almost two minutes to go. And they went three passes. They wasted like 11 or 12 seconds. I mean, you have two elite tackles. Run the football. Hell, run your quarterback. Because McPherson missed a 51-yard field goal to get yourself in the field goal range,

you didn't have to go that far. Now, then the Bengals get the ball back. They go three and out. The Chargers get the ball back. Hit a couple plays to McConkey. And I think was it, J.K. Dobbins, who scored the touchdown. Probably should go down at the one.

Obviously, it would end the game. You know, listen, you score. They still have 18 seconds. They have to score and go the length of the field. started the 30-yard line. Burrow hits just, that was a play where he hits, I think it was a T. Higgins?

Might have been someone else. Where he gets absolutely crunched. The receiver makes a great play behind his body, but they just didn't have enough time left. Just a bizarre ending. Honestly, a crazy second half. Because the Bengals

came storming back. And you start kind of selling yourself. You're like, this Bengel team's got a lot of talent. they're going to go into every game where, I mean, hell, Burrow played, if Lamar ends up winning the MVP, now Josh Allen's technically the favorite, like Joe Burrell outplayed him in the games they played, and they lost them both. Like I don't remember a team.

Like, sometimes you have the season from hell. The 49ers are currently having that. Like, they deserve to lose a lot of these games. They're getting like thoroughly outplayed down the stretch. I watched the Bengals, like they are making more plays than the, the other team. Their quarterback is playing at like an all-pro level making these passes. Jamar Chase is playing like a guy that's going to get like $150 million. And they lose. And I promise you this. I don't know if their coach is going to get the short end of the stick

when this year ends. I wouldn't feel great about making that proclamation just because the owner's been cheap. But if this job does open up with that guy at quarterback, I think there are going to be a lot of interested parties, right? It's why every single clip they show about Jim Harbaugh talking about Justin Herbert. Now, Harbaugh is notorious for being over the top. And I'd even say when he has great players, still being hyperbolic about them as individual talents. But I don't think he's lying when he sings the praises of Herbert. And honestly, I felt like there were moments tonight.

or him and Greg Roman tried to justify their belief in his greatness like we're going to have our guy match that guy because that guy makes as much money as anyone in the league he's taking a team to a Super Bowl

we all agree he's like a living legend I mean he led LSU to one of the greatest college seasons of all time shows up with the Bengals and within a couple years has him into Super Bowl

beating Patrick Mahomes at Arrowhead and everyone to a man, he goes, God, he's just one of the best players in the league. And it felt like Harbaal, we want to prove our guy's just as good. The problem is you're throwing to Quentin Johnson, getting resurrected in his career, but he's got a ways to go. Palmer, I mean, okay, be a rotational player on 90% of the teams in the NFL, and a rookie slot receiver.

And it's difficult. In his margin for error, I mean, the one McConkey, I guess technically dropped, Might have been the throw was a little off on Herbert. Like one thing with slot receivers, they don't have much of a catching radius. Like when I throw it up to normal outside wide receivers that are bigger players, their catching radius is a lot bigger.

They're just longer players. Even Jamar Chase, like, I can put it up in the air and he can make plays. Hell, the Chargers Forever with Mike Williams and Keenan Out. You get a big catching radius. I mean, one, remember Tom Brady, Miss West Walker, time in a Super Bowl.

Because your margin in Ferreira with a slot receiver just isn't that big. They're just smaller guys. Their arms are shorter. Just basic math. But what a crazy game. I mean, really. And Jim Harbaugh, man, has the Chargers, just has them as a good team. And they're a team that I'm going to pick to win a playoff game.

I think that's, I almost said the San Diego Chargers. The Los Angeles Chargers, led by Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert, if they win a playoff game this year, just get ready. This is going to be the worst roster they've had, or they will have coming up. This will be the worst roster they have. Turner, I think he's number, is he 22 on the Bengals, who got hurt, making a great play down the sideline? He came from Michigan two years ago.

They drafted him in the second round. His play tonight was awesome. The Washington commanders, their best corner, is a second round corner. Those two guys played in a defensive backfield where neither was even the best corner on the team. That's Will Johnson, who's still at Michigan. I don't think people realize

how good Jim Harbaugh is this thing, called coaching and building a football team. He's really good. This is the worst the Chargers are going to be. It is. Like, listen, the Bengals, obviously a little better than their record, you know, talent-wise.

But the best thing, they were was like three years ago. Like that defense top to bottom with all these guys on offense and you know in theory a little bit better offensive line. And Joe Mixing. Now Brown's actually not bad. I actually think he's probably

he's a good player. Really good in the passing game. Runs hard. But they were much more talented as a team top to bottom a couple years ago. Like this is the worst version of the Chargers. Get ready because it's not going to slow down. Okay, the NFL season is

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against the best team in the league the Chiefs and the Steelers his divisional rival is 4 and 12 against the rest of the league he's 54 and 12 so he's 4 and 12th So he's 4 and 12 against his bitter rival, the Steelers, and the Kansas City Chiefs, a team that is the bar in the national footballing.

And this is not to bash Lamar. I think he, the version we've seen these last couple years is as good as it gets for a running quarterback. It really is. He is a remarkable player. And while he hasn't done anything in the playoffs, honestly, for the most part, he's been shitty in the playoffs. I don't view him as I do some of like the basketball

versions of that player. Like James Harden or Russell Westbrook. I would, if all sports were equal, I would take Lamar in a New York minute over those two guys. I do believe Lamar is capable of winning a Super Bowl as the lead dog. Those guys clearly have displayed

they're not. I mean, Russell Westbrook is in a weird way one of the most overrated players in the history of basketball. And James Hardin's just a very flawed player because the shit doesn't work in the playoffs. The thing with Lamar, I saw the stat as well on the internet, this year. When Lamar has more past attempts than the team does rush attempts, they are now two and four. Meaning all their losses have come when their running game doesn't work as well. Clearly, he's a big part of that.

and they are forced to put it on his shoulders. And I said before the season, Josh Allen's a better player than Lamar. I hope everyone realized we're talking about two Hall of Famers here. Two all-time greats. That's where they're going to go down. Both these guys, when it's all said and done,

will go down as two of the greatest quarterbacks ever. I believe that, to my core. But I would take Josh Allen then, and I would take Josh Allen now. I have seen Josh Allen play on very flawed teams, good teams, but flawed teams, and carry them, and excel in the playoffs. He's also beaten the Chiefs now three straight years. And even in playoff games in which he's lost to the Chiefs, he's outplayed Mahomes. So at most we can argue, like, listen, Lamar, Josh, the postseason.

is not even arguable. One guy has turned into a pumpkin, partly because, as you saw today, and as you've seen before against the Chiefs, when you can't dominate running the football, and a lot of that is him, he's not quite the same player, which is understandable.

He is the greatest dual threat player we've ever seen. Because when I was a kid and Steve Young started rattling off MVP's, Steve Young wasn't really a dual threat anymore. He was basically the left-handed Drew Brees. He was a pocket quarterback. Lamar Jackson, he's rattling off these MVP's, good passer, dominant runner,

and dominant scramble around throw guy. Now, today he had some drops. I'm not pinning the loss all on him, but when they lose to these good teams, he doesn't play the same. Something's a little off. Because running around like he does against the majority of teams he plays,

especially his record for the NFC, speaks for itself. They cannot sniff him. He runs circles around him all. But when he plays the Steelers, and he plays the Chiefs, and that run game is just neutralized or against Chiefs,

he tries to match Patrick Mahomes or against the Steelers, they just kind of discombibibulate him. He looks human. I'm not acting like he's a scrub. I'm not acting like he's Dak Prescott. But I think we have to acknowledge it. We really do.

Like, I'm watching Joe Burrow tonight and going like, I don't know. Here's the thing with Joe Burrell. Like Lamar has incredible regular season games. But I've seen in the biggest moments in the playoffs, him looked just like he did tonight. And the thing with Lamar Jackson is why I bet money on them

to win the Super Bowl last year. That's the best team any of these guys have had, top to bottom, offensively and defensively. It was dominant. This team's got flaws. I mean, defensively, a ton of flaws. If Russell Wilson doesn't make one of the worst interceptors you've ever seen like should have scored touchouts game might not have been that close but this

team isn't as good so if the ravens which offensively against you know previously this year they've looked incredible if they're going to win in the playoffs he's going to have to do what joe burrow what patrick mahomes did earlier on in his career what josh allen does is like i have to dominate there's no like we can kind of play a midgame dominate and i won't be betting on them I don't have faith that, not that he can't, because physically he can, but he doesn't. And I think he has the biggest question mark of all these cats.

Right? Bro's already been to a Super Bowl. Like, Josh Allen beats the Chiefs. He'd be like, well, he has done in the playoffs. Way outplays Mahomes as fucking coach, 13 seconds left. I don't know what kind of defense they're playing. And even last year, like, it wasn't his fault they lost.

I just think, you know, Lamar, There is a fair question mark there. And this is the comparison like with the Russell and James earlier in their career before they established who they were. That question mark was there too. The best part about Lamar is in the prime of his career.

He's got several years to answer it, but he's got to answer it. Like that's not something we're just going to skip over. Like that exists. Feels like the Chiefs kind of, or I mean the Steelers kind of own him. He just doesn't look like himself. It's crazy.

Let's play a little overrated underrated. Because there's a lot going on in the NFL I want to talk about. This one hurts. But it's just the truth. The 49ers are very, very overrated. What a disaster. I mean, at now they're just properly rated.

They're five and five and just not a playoff team. And they're dead last in the NFC West. Dead last. They've lost to all three teams in the NFC West. All three teams. Pretty sure. Last year, when they were the number one scene, went at the Super Bowl,

I guess they lost one game. They went five and one in the division, but it was week 18 when they rested all their starters. But they dominated the division. And now they've lost to the Cardinals. They've lost to the Rams. And they lost one of the worst games you'll ever see today. Gino Smith, who they had owned coming into today,

drove right down the field for a touchdown. George Kittle didn't play. He's got some injury, I guess, hurt his hamstring, kind of random at the end of the week. Nick Bosa hurt his other hip. And, yeah, Debo Samuel looks kind of average. So they got problems, but they're not going to the playoffs this year. It's just not their year.

I mean, they look, I don't even know how to put it. I mean, because the most underrated part is the NFC West, who now does not have a team. under 500, the Cardinals who are going to be coming off a buy just look pretty good. If the Rams score touchdowns, their defense is good. They're going to be a problem. And Seattle, like, if you just get a solid Gino, is a tough out.

And the 49ers are looking at now playing the Packers and the bills in their next two games. Like, there's a very decent chance. I would say best case scenario, they're 6 and 6. Very decent chance that they are 5 and 7. and I, I, Brock Purdy's had a good year. He's a good player. I like him a lot.

But like, can everyone just take a deep breath? Like, do you have to just give him $200 million? Couldn't you just play out next season as well? And keep trying to load up the team for another year and just see like, okay, if he's incredible, we'll give you $225 million. I don't mind paying an extra 10, 12% if I know for sure. obviously they feel really good about them, but I'm just not, I'm never in a huge rush to pay people. And I think one thing the 49ers have to really regret is not trading Brandon Ayuk before the playoffs.

I think if they could do it all, or excuse me, before the draft. I think if they could do it all over again, Brandon Ayuk would be on another team. Because Joanne Jennings has really established himself. They ended up drafting Ricky Pearsall now that, you know, Christian McCaffrey's back. you know, Kittle up until he hurt his hamstring sometime this week, I guess, is having one of the better seasons of his career. But I just, you know,

you can't allocate that much money and that many resources to the wide receiver position. When the guy producing the most is your lowest paid wide receiver. Like Jawan Jennings said a contract extension this offseason. The other thing about the NFC West, and this is why it's an underrated division, is the coaching's really good.

Like Mike McDonald was one of the best defensive coordinators we've seen over the last like decade. What he did in Baltimore was incredible. Like that guy's a badass coach. Sean McVeigh is obviously a stud. Kyle Shanahan, who is getting just absolutely lit on fire on the internet in 49erland, is obviously pretty good. He's gone to four of the last five conference championship games and gone to two Super Bowls

where he had the lead in the second half against the Chiefs. And I think Jonathan Gannon is just, I think he's a good coach, and I think he did a good job hiring a staff. He has two coordinators, a couple of millennials who are kicking ass and taking names. His bald offensive coordinator, Pezik is good. Rallis, his defensive coordinators, I think the youngest coordinator in the NFL, like 32 or 31 or 33, somewhere in that range. I think he's 32.

Obviously, he's doing one of the better jobs in the league. besides Buda Baker, how many impact defensive players do the Arizona Cardinals have? And I don't know if the 49ers it's fatigue, if it's running out of gas, if it's just, sometimes it's not your year. And listen, some teams would sell their left testicle

to have a year from hell and be five and five. What would Brian Dayball or the Titans or just go around the league do to be five and five? So these are good problems to have, but when you set the bar really high and you have a season like this, it sucks. And speaking of overrated, I never understood why. And listen, I thought they would be improved, but I thought their record would be about the same as last year.

Rookie quarterbacks, when you don't have a good coach, you're not just going to win 10 games, especially in a really, really good division. So the Bears, who are now 4 and 6, have a lot of issues, and their quarterback finally played a good game. But, like, people were picking them to make the playoffs. Matt Iber Fluse was not making the playoffs in a division with Dan Campbell, LaFleurre, and Kevin O'Connell. He's not the worst coach in that division.

He's the worst coach in that division by the width of the Grand Canyon from California to Texas. Like that gap is so wide, you could fit a lot in between. And even if they've upgraded now with Thomas Brown by firing the offensive coordinator, like you just don't overcome that poor of a head coach.

You really do not. And listen, like a lot of teams, we should have won that game, but you didn't. And for some reason, with Matt Iber Fluse, you never win that game, even when you know should have won the game. And the most underrated part about the NFC North is how good their top three records are right now. They are currently, the Lions, the Packers, and the Minnesota Vikings. The Lions are 9 and 1. The Vikings are 8 and 2, and the Packers are 7 and 3. Like these, I mean, that division is really freaking good. And it's crazy with Minnesota, because you're watching Sam Donald,

who's definitely come back to Earth, but like, they're going to win 11 games. Like this team, those teams are playoff locks. I mean, the Lions, what they're doing right now, they have scored 52 points in an NFL game twice in a month. I know it's been against two really, really bad teams, the Titans and the Jags. But how often do you see good teams play really, really bottom feeders, bad teams, just shitty operations,

and win like 30 to 10 or 38 to 17? Like, this is not college football. and to have back-to-back blowouts, I mean, I know last week they technically, I'm not saying like back-to-back games, but I'm just saying have two blowouts of 52 points. That's insane. It really is.

The lions feel a little bit like the Ravens last year, where when they would just get someone, they would suffocate them. And you'd be like, it crossed my mind the day at halftime because I had that game, uh, the box,

the main, box on my big TV was the Red Zone on one box, the Steeler game, Steeler Ravens on another box, Bears Packers on another box, and then Lions Jacks. When they scored their 28th point, I think to make it 28 to 6 before, I think they were still like three or four minutes to go in the first half, I contemplated like, would you pull your starters right now? Now he ended up not pulling his starters to like, I don't know, midway or early on in the fourth. He could have justified

doing it pretty early in the third quarter. Now it's football, it's hard, it's not like you can pull, it's this in basketball. I can't pull my whole five guys off and put a brand new five guys. You don't even have five offensive linemen in pads. You know, it's hard with wide receivers. Even defensive linemen need to rotate.

You just can't put your backup guys. Like, even though those guys aren't starters, you still play them a lot. It's not as, it's easier said than done. But that had to cross the mind early on like can we just get out of here and they ended up i think anzalone broke his arm so he's out for six to eight weeks again that's a freak play there's nothing you can do about it but i i think sometimes you get uncomfortable in those games because you're like i just do not want to get

jimmyr gibbs or st brown or panacea sewell or brian branch injured when we're up 45 to 6 in the third quarter overrated at this point in time like to go back to the narratives early in the season about the Jets is pretty pointless. I do think it's fair. Their defense was heralded last season as just one of the best units in the league. And really, we've talked about them for a couple years that way. They have one of the best defense in the league. And then last off season, they lost a bunch of players, right?

One of their best pass rushers, Bryce Huff, signed with the Eagles. Guy had double-digit sacks last year. Soss Gardner has had a bad season. he screwed up at the end of the game and he's constantly pointing when someone screws up to try to claim it's not his fault. And they gave up multiple drives

to Anthony Richardson who just had a couple weeks ago one of the most embarrassing moments I would say in like the history of the league when it comes to just a quarterback doing something on the field. A guy tapped out of a game. Every single, like we have seen

there's not an interception we haven't seen. Hell, we've seen people run out of the back of the end zone. We have never, ever seen a starting quarterback in the middle of the game on a third down tapas helmet and leave the game. And it was universally responded to do that way by former players.

There wasn't one, like, you cannot find a situation. I would say in society, let alone sports, where 100% of the people are on the same side of the ledger. And that's how it was with that. and then two weeks later this guy comes back

and leads multiple fourth quarter drives and both drives one drive was under two minutes the other drive was under three minutes and they had a game winning drive the one I think that was under two minutes was to win the game the past was on sauce gardener's side now again it was too deep and he's got the underneath

but it's like he didn't even touch him he just let him go right by he didn't even reroute the wide receiver then immediately starts pointing I don't know man obviously Rogers looks really really old the offense finally put up some points. Anthony Richardson even had a fumble on like a delayed blitz. They gave them a touchdown.

I mean, they were up 24 to 16 in this game in the second half. 24 to 16. This is one of my favorite bets of the NFL season, Colts Plus 4. When it was 24 to 16, I didn't feel great because I didn't totally trust Anthony Richardson. But the reason I love that bet, the reason honestly it was like one of my bigger bets of the year. Because I don't believe in the Jets. And they prove me right again.

What a disastrous, and I mean, epic train wreck of a season from the New York Jets. I think the Steelers run game's a little underrated. I don't know what their final stats were today, but I've always been somewhat critical. Critical would be the wrong way to put it. Just hesitant on Najee Harris,

and I followed his career since high school. but I just watched him in the pros never really liked his game that much I think I don't know if it's health I don't know if it's confidence his numbers don't totally reflect it today he had 18 carries for 63 yards but I think this is by far the best season of his career

with just his just overall confidence running his just ability to make a guy miss run through a guy physicality in his runs obviously the Ravens are one of the best run defense in the league. But one reason I believe a little bit in the Steelers

they can win a playoff game. Hell, they can win a couple. Because they are very, very comfortable playing in these low-scoring games is because of Najee Harrison, Jalen Warren. I think the quarterback play underrated in the New England Patriot, Los Angeles Rams game, Drake May, if I was a Patriot fan, I would be very, very excited.

The best case scenario, when you have a project rookie is for him to show a bunch of stuff of positive, you know, film and games and loose. It couldn't be going any better right now if you're a Patriot fan because obviously, what the hell is the difference of winning going 7 and 10 or 3 and 14? And the Patriots are not going to win many more games,

yet their quarterback gets better every week. Matt Stafford today had a stretch where he had four touches, touchdowns in a nine completion stretch. It's why I said there are five quarterbacks in the prime of their career who are just, I mean, got a chance to go down as like all-time grades. Stafford is the only other quarterback in this league, especially of an older one, who can play at their level. And he's just dramatically older than all of them.

But, you know, the Rams are just, every time you want to just write the Rams off, now it's the Patriots, but if their offense can score, They should be tough because their defense is really good. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

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their schedule is a joke. And every time I look up and they're playing the sisters of the poor, the school of the blind, and beating the living piss out of them, it's like, great. join the Big Tenor of the SEC and then I would respect if you went 10 and 2 and 11 and 1 but these makeshift schedules

you're playing where most of these teams that you play just suck and will never ever make a 12th team playoff. I'm not giving you credit for being like, see, this is where you want to coach

because Brian Kelly went to LSU and if Notre Dame played in the SEC they would never sniff the playoffs. I'll promise you that because they could not go 10 and 2 in the SEC. Now that being said, hiring Brian Kelly might have been the best they could do. Obviously, he's a successful coach.

I'm not acting like what he did at Notre Dame wasn't impressive. Or Notre Dame winning games isn't a good thing. But I hate it when like Notre Dame goes 11 and 1, they start pumping out their chest. Like, give me a break. Play some real teams. Like get ready to go one and done come the playoffs, because that's what's going to happen. But Brian Kelly this year has been a disaster. And watching them lose to Florida and get shoved around and, you know,

Garrett Nussmeyer's falling apart these last couple weeks. And the defense, every time it's playing well, all of a sudden, the offense goes the wrong way. And then every time the offense is playing well, the defense sucks. And then when they're both kind of working, the special teams falls apart. They gave him $90 million because Ed Ogeron was a train wreck. That program was a disaster. And Brian Kelly was known for being like the CEO butt. up, like he might never have a national championship ceiling, but he was going to have a really

high floor. And if you would have told him when he took the job three years ago, there's going to be a 12-team playoff, no problem. We'll make that thing a lot. Best case scenario, now they're going to go 8 and 4. That means back-to-back years they've gone 9 and 3 and 8-and-4. I just got news for you. That's just unacceptable. It's just not going to fly. And I think sometimes takes in college football can be a little aggressive. It just happens with coaches in general. Hell, I see it happen with the 49ers. Like, fire Shanahan. For who? Ben Johnson? Do you know what, Ben Johnson? Ben Johnson will go to church every day of the week and pray 10 times a day that he's 75% as good as a head coach. One day, not even like early on as

Kyle Shanahan. So you have no clue. But three coaches, the last three LSU coaches, Nick Saban, Les Miles and Ed Ogeron have all won national championships. So it's basically guaranteed if you're the head coach at LSU you're going to have the opportunity to win a national championship because there's nobody you can't get into school.

And the recruiting in your own backyard is as good as it gets. And the history at your program makes it really to just recruit in general in the south outside of Louisiana. To get worse from last year after just a couple weeks ago it felt like, God, this feels like

a playoff team. What a disaster. And I think the most underrated job by a mile in college football, Dion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes control their own destiny. If they win the next two weeks, they're in the conference championship game. And if they win that game, they will be a top four seed in the college football playoff. We knew they were really good on offense. Shador is probably going to be the number one overall pick. Travis Hunter might be the number two. There's a decent chance. You know, Cam Ward, is he going to go to?

I don't know. You could argue there's a 50-50 chance right now. The top two picks in the NFL draft are on Colorado. But we already, those guys were high level, you know, prospects last year. Travis Hunter would have gone on the top five if he was eligible to come out last season. Shador would have gone in the first round if he was eligible to come out last season. defensively they were a joke. Last year, it was like, what is going on here?

This offseason, they hire Warren Sapp, which is a cool headline. But as this season is gone, if you've watched them play and I've watched them a lot because I bet on them basically every week. Their defensive line is in the backfield all the time. Last year, their defensive linemen looked like me. It's like, how are you playing Division I football with these guys on the line of scrimmage? And then their secondary, outside of Travis Hunter, are making plays nonstop. Their defense is really good. They are easily, and listen, the Big 12 is not the Big Ten or the SEC.

It's a one-bid playoff league. And to me, today, as we sit here going in the last couple weeks of the season, they are clearly the best team in the conference. Clearly. So props to Dion Sanders, Shador, and Travis Hunter for, You know, resurrecting a program, a program that a couple years ago had one win. And now they look poised. I mean, it's all in front of them to get to 11 in three weeks.

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