The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Christian McCaffrey, 49ers SECURE SNF win vs. Falcons + NFL Week 7 Recap

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 7 Sunday Night Football matchup between Bijan Robinson and the Atlanta Falcons vs. Christian McCaffrey and the San Francisco 49ers. John then recaps NFL Week 7 starting with a last second Denver Broncos win vs. the New York Giants, the Indianapolis Colts dominant win vs. the Los Angeles Chargers, Dak Prescott and the Cowboys demolishing the Washington Commanders, and if Miami Dolphins QB Tua & Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray are done playing for their respective teams. John wraps up discussing how head coaching jobs are changing with the landscape. John reacts to the top plays of the night, recap a wild Week 7 throughout the NFL, and much more! 03:15 - Falcons-49ers 29:25 - Giants-Broncos 35:35 - Colts-Chargers 37:30 - Commanders-Cowboys 39:45 - Tua & Kyler Murray eras are over 42:10 - Head coaching carousel Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on everybody? Just finished watching, as Chris Collinsworth called it, a startling game because I'm with them. Listen, you have that many injuries. We'll dive into the coaching mismatch. McCaffrey. but given how well Bijon had played last week, you just thought this was going to be tough. And the 49ers win by 10 points. 20 to 10 Sunday night football.

They go to 5 and 2 to hold serve with the Rams, but because they beat them, they're technically in first place. Same was even if Seattle wins on Monday night. The Savards go 49ers, whose star middle linebacker was up in a box and a cast. Bosa, who knows where he is, nursing an ACL. Kittles coming back from injury with Mack Jones, winning his fourth game as the 49ers starting quarterback in the middle of October. What a performance. So the 49ers get a massive win.

We'll dive into that game. Atlanta. Did Denny Green once famously say they are who we thought they were? That's very true. The Atlanta Falcons are who we thought they were. Some other craziness today. Obviously, I go on with Colin after the Sunday game. So we talked a little bit about the Denver.

I mean, it's one of the most bananas game of all time. had some times to think about that. A couple other things that just stood out today, from Shane Steichen to Brian Schadenheimer, I think we have a couple eras when it comes to new quarterbacks that we can just kind of, just unofficially that they ended today. And then a couple of things with college. Lane Kiffin is kind of the talk of the town.

Will he go to Florida who fired their coach today? James Franklin did a hit on college game day. He clearly plans on. to continue coaching, and I'm sure he wants to be in the mix for a job like Florida, so we'll talk a little college before we get out of here. But obviously we got to start with an incredible performance. And, you know, in the pros, unlike college, so much of it is about the X's and the O's. Because in, like, just all around the league, most teams are pretty beat up.

I don't care where you look. Everyone's dealing with injuries. Guys are dropping like flies. And the overwhelming majority of matchups, the difference in talent is not that great. But the coaching mismatch in the NFL, and you see it on a weekly basis, countless times on Sunday, can be so wide. And tonight, like the reason Kyle Shanahan and Robert Sala make a combined $20 to $25 million was for that right there. Kyle Shanahan now has won four games. We're not even too Halloween with Mack Jones. He won four games with Mac Jones.

I stand by this. If you win a game as a backup quarterback, you've earned your contract. If you win two, you could argue that you are an underpaid player. What Mac Jones is doing is he's proving like, I could be a functional starter. I mean, he had an interception and I wasn't his fault, bounced off Joanne Jennings hands. But Kyle Shanahan and Robert Sala doing this with Randos all over the place,

it just was an incredible accomplishment tonight. Like, listen, I don't think that Rahim Morris and Zach Robinson by any means and Jeff Obrick are their equals. But when I just based it on the way they were playing, they were much healthier, at least in theory, they lost some guys during the game, that the 49ers were going to be at a disadvantage. and somehow they're just not because coaching really matters, leadership really matters, culture really matters.

And like at the end of the day, the Atlanta Falcons have a lot of talented players. But they're not winners. And it's not necessarily their fault, right? I do think under the right players, like the Chiefs, the 49ers, the Rams, the Lions, all these good teams around the NFL. Like a normal year with the Ravens, the Bulls. bills would love a ton of guys on their roster. And if you put them on their roster in that culture, they would be winners. But there is just something about that franchise, and it was on full display

tonight with Kyle Shanhan coming in with his backup quarterback, with backups all over his defense, and Robert Sala, and just going, you know what, physically, we are going to kick your ass. And that's what they did. They just out-tuffed them. They out-physicaled them. And they said, you know what, our best player tonight, we are going to just completely rely on him. And he was fantastic. That's the best McCaffrey game in two years. Obviously, he didn't really have a season last year and this season, though he's been productive and the 49ers have leaned on him to get four wins, especially in the passing game. He hadn't had that type night.

And tonight he was simply spectacular. 24 carries for 130 yards, two touchdowns on the ground. He had another seven catches in a huge spot on third and long down in the their red zone where a field goal makes a six point game, a touchdown basically ends it. Mack Joan hits him. And that's the thing with Christian McCaffrey. Is he at any moment can just turn into West Walker or Julian Edelman? He's one of the greatest Swiss Army knives you'll ever see. Does he quite look as fast as he wants it in his prime?

I don't know. But he was excellent, and Kyle Shanahan wrote him like secretary tonight. And they needed to. They needed every one of those yards. They needed every one of those touches, and he was simply spectacular. And the difference tonight is the 49ers were going to go, we had 24 carries, seven catches, eight targets. So, I mean, they tried to get him the ball well over 30 times.

Yet you look at Bejohn Robinson, who is also an elite player. I mean, pound for pound, one of the most talented players in the sport, 14 carries and six catches. So 20 total touches. Meanwhile, McCaffrey had over 30. If I'm Raheem Morris, and I'm looking at Zach Robinson, how do we not match the amount of touches for our best player as they do their best player? And there was one time the night on a short yardage play where they went to Kyle U's check and he got stuffed, and I would imagine Kyle Shanahan immediately regretted it because he got too cute.

And this is the type game. Like, in the NFL that differs a lot from Saturday, like you play in these games, it's like 13 to 10 going into the fourth quarter. I mean, you're going to be termined by a first down here, a field goal there. This is not going back and four scoring touchdowns on every possession. Every decision matters. Every second and five matters. Every third and one matters.

And there was a spot in this game, fourth and one. There was like a little under nine minutes to go. And Bejohn Robinson wasn't on the field. It was like, and the 49. like backup slot corner Lucas made a great play on Drake London who's also a really good player but like how could you like what what are you doing and this is what we talk about with coaching the 49ers didn't overthink tonight they said get the ball to McCaffrey and let's play defense we're going to tackle well that was going to be a huge part of clearly their game plan we're

going to tackle and play really physical and their defensive line was flying around Bryce Huff, who they got from the Jets, who I guess, well, the Eagles got from the Jets, who obviously Robert Sala really liked. They had 11 sacks two years ago. You know, the 49ers didn't have to give up much to get them. And I don't know where they would be without that acquisition because Bose is hurt. They don't have much edge pressure. And obviously Tatum Bethune, the Florida State linebacker who filled in for Fred Warned at

night, when you talk about culture and when you talk about a standard, you know, Tomlin love saying this. Standard is the standard. And listen, I think people make fun of them because their standard has diminished. But I think part of that doesn't even just mean like winning is the only thing around here. It's like this is the way we play, right? Win or lose? Because it's the NFL. You could have a great season and lose six times, right, and win 11 games. The Chiefs two years ago went to the Super Bowl.

They went 11 and 6. But this is the standard for if you are going to be a starter on this team, this is the bare minimum. is to play your ass off and hit fucking people hard. And you saw the 49ers throw in random guys, young players. They are a team and their culture has started. And this is where I give Kyle a lot of credit. We can disagree with his mindset when it comes to offensive linemen. Not big on drafting them, right?

Which, listen, who am I to tell him how to build a football team? I would like him to pivot a little bit on that stance. But one thing I've always appreciated for an offensive guy, His value of defensive players is extremely high. He not only values them highly, the type guys they like, and listen, obviously his general manager is a legendary badass. I mean, one of the hardest hitters in the history of the league, John Lynch. They got a pretty good eye.

And you go back to Mike Shanahan. Like Mike Shanahan in his heyday in Denver had some very physical defenses. They were an old school, hard-hitting team. They value those type guys. and when you build teams full of people with high competitive character, physicality is something that they enjoy doing. They got rid of Hufunga last year, which I understood, right? Awesome player.

You watch him on Denver. He looks like an all pro. But they had replacements, and you saw tonight Mustafa, who is battling back from a knee injury, they hit people so hard. They're linebackers, their safeties, the 2D linemen that they drafted really high, Mikel Williams and Alfred Collins,

their corners all hit. And there is a standard on defense, and you know, you bring Robert Sala, who they like the most out of all the guys since Domeico Ryans, right? We saw it with Steve Wilkes didn't fit in. We saw what the dude last year didn't fit in. There's something about the messaging with Sala,

but the type of guys haven't changed. Now, there is no replacing Fred Warner over the course of the season. He's one of the best players in the league. But in a situation like, night, you get him there. He's there on a scooter. They were flying around with their hair on fire, and they were crushing people. How many times the night on outside zone runs did their linebackers fill, and they had guys flying around from every angle? And that's what I thought they weren't going to

be able to replace. It's why I was like, listen, I don't like picking against the Niners in a prime time game. Kyle's proven this. But you just miss enough bodies, and you get Bejan Robinson, you give them the ball 35 times. It's going to have 200 yards. Well, it turns out they didn't get the ball 35 times. and even when they did, their linebackers were filling in the hole. Honestly, the only time he kind of got in space were some of those like, you know, plays where they kind of motioned him out and threw him the ball, like almost like a wheel route, and he scored a touchdown on it. But like as a runner, what was his long run of the night?

It was, long run was eight yards. If you would have told me that Bejohn Robinson's long of running the ball would be eight yards, I wouldn't have believed you. And that's a testament to, you know, listen, Robert Salah is going to get a lot of credit. But Fred Warner is a constant that has been around this team. Obviously, he's injured right now, but just in terms of his messaging and what he means is a vocal leader. Like, you talk about a guy that sets the standard, and coaches have been saying this since the beginning of the time. My message only goes so far.

I need the players. Like, the reason coaches love players that act like coaches on the field is because they're they regurgitate their message. And it goes like to, you know, in any situation, right, you work hard for the guy next to you in the trenches, whether it's one of our, you know, whatever industry you're in, whether you're in the military, whether you're an athlete, whoever is the boss, is the general, is the coach, even if you respect them to the nth degree and, you know, you revere their messaging, there is something special about being hand in hand

with the guy that you're actually doing it with. And I think you saw that tonight with the 49ers. Their guys somehow bonded together, obviously Salas messaging, you know, kind of getting together for Fred Warner. And what did Kyle Shanahan, they mentioned it tonight in the broadcast? I had read about it this year,

or I mean this week, is that they had taken Fred Warner's rookie snaps and showed it to some of the young guys on the, team. This guy didn't just start out being an all-pro. He didn't just start out being a Hall of Fame guy. He was once an unproven rookie that no one really knew who he was, that he was this hybrid positionless player coming out of BYU. Was he going to be a safety? Was he going to be a linebacker inside, outside? Where was he going to play? And there was a culture and a mindset of, listen, we're going to figure it out, but we're going to figure it out going 100 miles an hour and

fucking people up. And that's what the 49ers have done for a long period. a time on defense and why they've won a lot of games. Because when they're really humming, they have elite players doing that. But they have had a lot of injuries over the course of seven, eight years under Kyle Shanahan. It's one of the craziest eras I've ever seen because it's been really successful. Yet the amount of people that go into the blue tent and have their careers altered is borderline unprecedented.

It never stops. Even a night. They lost the center. Middle of the game. Hamstring, out. Right? He says, Renardo Green, starting corner, out. like they play a game, they will lose multiple starters in that game.

But the standard of their physicality, and when Kyle's on from a play calling standpoint, let's face it, he is a much better play caller. And he became like, you know, one of the, I would say top guys in the league over the course of his career as someone that called runs. And his offense hums when the running game is working. they struggle as an offense, whether it's Purdy, whether it's Jimmy G, whether it's Mac Jones, whoever's playing quarterback for them when they become a pass-heavy offense. What you saw out of the Atlanta Falcons tonight, how many attempts they have, 38, Michael Penix was 21 of 38.

So, I mean, what's that? 55%, 54%, not great. Kyle Shannon does not want to play like that. Tonight, Mac Jones, 17 of 26. So they had They had 17 or they had 26 past attempts and 39 rushers. Now five of those

were Mac, I guess one of those was a true run. Some of those were scrambles. So let's say between McAfrey and Brian Robinson they had 34 carries. They had in use check almost 10 more rushing attempts than past attempts. That's how he wants to play. And when his guys historically have interviewed with other franchises about, listen, I'm going to be the head coach, these are my philosophies.

This is my offensive philosophy. They want to have more rush attempts than pass attempts. It makes it easier on the quarterback. It's why when we talk about this being a quarterback-friendly offense, it's that. Because we're going to lean on a running back. We're not going to lean on you. And what happens when you are being successful rushing the football? football. You're not in second and nine. You're not in third and 12. Because even if you have

Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey in their prime or Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, third and nine's and third and twelves are really, really difficult. They put you in a, you know, in a disdust, you're just at a disadvantage. And tonight they were very, very successful, you know, on early downs. And at one point in time, I looked, they were excellent on third down. Tonight they were 9 of 15 on third down. Like that's really, really good. At one point in time, when Denver didn't have a point, they were well under 30% on third downs.

And that's over the course I saw of three weeks. They were the worst third down offense in the NFL. And if you're doing that, your offense is going to suck. If you're successful on third down, your offense is going to be good. Because who also does that help? That helps your defense. Keeps them off the field. Let them rest.

Let them be fresher when they do come in. harder for the other offense to get into a rhythm. And that was a coaching clinic tonight by Shanahan, by Sala, by John Lynch, the type players they bring in. Because we talked a lot about this with the Miami Dolphins. Everyone shitting on Tua over the course of the last couple weeks. Obviously, he's not playing well. But for his comments about the players-only meeting, like you create a culture by the people.

You know, we hear this a lot about different cultures with. different companies. The culture is not the building, right? It's like the Apple's building or Amazon's headquarters or you name it. It's the people in those buildings, right? Like the culture with San Francisco has been created by Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. It is not on Brock Purdy or Fred Warner to discipline everybody. Obviously, if you're a great leader, you help and you are additive to the room and to the message and to like the plight of a given season of the success or failure.

But it all starts with the guy at the top of the food chain and in football it's the coach. And obviously the GM and the personnel people of bringing in the right type guys. And one thing the 49ers have done consistently is get the right type guys. And I think at the end of the day they've always leaned to the side of being physical.

Because it's hard to, to not love football and be a physical player. You cannot love football and be a talented player and be a guy that's playing in the NFL and have a good career. But it is hard to be a football junkie and be the type guy that every GM talks about around the combine of the type players they're looking for and being a guy that has to buckle up his chin strap

because he's looking to crack skulls every single play. Because that's who wants to do that? You've got to really be a really being. into it. And the 49ers have a lot of guys who are just physicality is really what they hang their hat on. And tonight was an absolute clinic. And listen, one thing I can't get around is somehow the 49ers with all their injuries are 5 and 2 right there with the ramps. And if Seattle wins tomorrow, they're 5 and 2. In this division, honestly, the Arizona Cardinals are not going to end up winning that many games. They've actually been pretty competitive. They're going to be one of those teams.

that's five wins and they could have easily won like 11 games. But the NFC West is shaping up to be really, really good. It's a well-coached league. It's a very physical division. You know, the Rams, their front, a bunch of badasses. McVeigh, elite coach, Mike McDonald, I think one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL. I've been saying this forever. If he was an offensive play caller, he would be thought of extremely highly. Think about Mike McDonald compared to Rahim Morris. Like, listen, every one of the Shanahan guys doesn't like they love Rahim Morris.

I've never met him, but I've never heard a bad word about him. People love the guy. You would love to have him on your staff as a defensive coordinator. It does feel like he's a little over his head as the head coach. Even at the end of the game, when it looked like Pennix, his knees hurt, he's kind of limping around. Cousins is right next to him. He doesn't quite know what to do.

And it was just kind of bizarre. And it just feels like he never is that, confident. And listen, when you are in his shoes, you're going to be a CEO head coach. Whoever you hire is your offensive coordinator, you're going to be pretty beholden to their skills, it working or not. And Zach Robinson, like every time that I think, oh, he finally got it last week. I was like, really impressive. And then you watch tonight, you're like, what the fuck's going on? What was happening here? Where is Bejohn Robinson? How are you not giving him the ball like every single play? I've even watching, I mean, the 49ers have like demarcation.

Robinson dropping balls in the bread basket that should be easy like 40-yard completions. But they shouldn't even have to throw it to him, but the reason they do is Ricky Pierceall's knees messed up. Joanne Jennings drops every other ball that gets thrown at him. You got Brandon Ayuk, whose leg got ripped off last season. I mean, there are injuries left and right, so they're depending on this guy. Can't even catch. Meanwhile, you look at the Falcons, you're like, Drake London's a badass. Kyle Pitts, we could argue that clearly shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was, but he's definitely really talented. I'll promise you this. When Kyle Pitts ends up on another team next year or in some time in the

future, he will have a very productive season. But you're watching on land and like, this just isn't working. You got Bejohn, who pound for pound is one of the most talented players in the NFL. Mooney comes back. He's flying around. He's getting open all over the place. They score 10 points. Now, my guy panics. I don't know. Something's off. I can't quite put my finger on it. Collinsworth was showing the night how he doesn't really step into the ball. I've always wondered this because Pennix,

really good athlete. I think he ran at the combine like a 4-5-2. If he just raced Mack Jones, he would beat him running backwards. Yet when you watch Pennix play, he does not play like a good athlete. And when you watch him play in the pocket, he's just very erect.

So when you see these guys fall into him, you think at any moment he's going to get his leg snap. And he started thinking, like, I wonder if over the, course of his career, he's torn a bunch of ACLs because of the way he does not step into throws. He uses his hips, almost like a golf swing, to generate power with his arm. And he does throw a beautiful ball. But I've also thought people have always got almost confused the power of an arm and the beautiful spiral. Like, he throws a nice deep ball, but I don't think he has a super

powerful arm, like Matt Staffer or Josh Allen. To me, like his arm strength relative to Mack Jones's arm strength isn't that different. And if you watch some of his over the middle throws, especially when people around his feet, he leaves a lot really, really short. Deep ball throwing, he's very natural at that. Like outside the numbers, it's like Jalen hurts. That thing leaves his hands just beautiful in the air. But some of the drive throws, if there's any sort of, I would just say mess or just action around him, you're like, the end of resort, you're like, what just happened there? How did that? Something's just a little off. And it might not be all his fault. I've seen him

with good offensive coordinator, be good. I had a lot of friends. Like, maybe I'm biased. I gambled on his team a lot of Washington. I love DeBoer. I'm just a fan. I'm rooting for the guy. But I watch him, I go, I don't know. You know, like this guy might be part of your problem. And let's face it, they drafted him eighth overall to be a franchise quarterback. And you watch some of these other guys, you go, the physical skills, like, I know a lot of people that did not have first round grades on them. They just thought the physical skills were not there. And he just has a bunch of injuries. He's hurt his shoulder multiple times. He's torn ACLs. You just watch him early on in his career. He's getting the shit kicked out of him. You're like,

he feels more when you just watch the way he moves, like a 30-year-old, than someone who's in a second year in the NFL and hasn't even made 17 career starts. So there's just something missing with the Atlanta Falcons, it's a franchise issue as much as a Rahim Morris or a Michael Penix or a Bejan Robinson issue. I mean, this is, this goes back to the Arthur Smith era. There's just something in the building. There's a culture. There's a standard that is just, hasn't been there in a long time. There's no really way to argue anything else. Because you watch them, you go, they should be better. They have a bunch of guys. The Niners would take half their starters yesterday without blinking. yet the 49ers just beat him by 10 points.

And honestly kind of handled them. Like physically shoved them around a little bit. What a win. Incredible moment. I mean, Kyle Shanahan, every time that people want to say something bad about him, he just all of a sudden five and two with a group full of randoms and Mac Jones playing quarterback.

I mean, let's face it, they kind of have a disaster on their hands with Brock Purdy in the sense that they give Purdy $200 plus million and they were kind of describing the toe injury and even Brock says like if you make the wrong move left or right not even straight on

the pain it can set you back he's like I don't even know what to do it's like day to day that could just last months there's no guarantee that we see pretty next week and three weeks who knows this is one of those that is just kind of keep your fingers crossed maybe it goes away and even if it does go away

it kind of did the last time he played and set him back and now he's been out several games since So they've got like how many teams throw in their backup quarterback and completely melt? And the 49ers bring in Mack Jones and he can not only function like he does a really, really good job. He has been, you know, what Daniel Jones is doing with Indianapolis has been amazing. But I give a lot of credit to Shane Steichen. Obviously their offensive weapons are just incredible. And Daniel Jones is a more physically gifted player than Mac Jones.

But if you would have told me that through seven games, Mack would have made all these starts, what would happen to the 49ers? I'd be like they'd be three and four, best case scenario, especially if you factored in a bunch of injuries. He'd be like, no, John, actually they're five and two. And he's like single-handedly won them some games, made huge throws on third and long tonight.

I wouldn't have seen it coming. And it also shows you why, and I think Collinsworth talked about tonight, they were talking to Mac, I kind of, it was healthy to kind of get drugged through the mud and go through a lot of shit and hit a lot of adversity. Learn a lot about myself. Because if you think about it, like, Mac led a pretty charmed football life. Shirley was a good high school player, goes to Alabama, Tua gets hurt, gets inserted.

A year later wins the national championship. Then gets drafted 15th overall. Then goes to the Patriots, rookie year makes the playoffs. It's like, kind of riding high. And then everything changes. and everyone's making fun of him and everyone just thinks he sucks and I'm probably guilty of that too

turns out he doesn't turn out he's pretty good not great you know not a top 10 player shouldn't probably get drafted in the first round but he's a legitimate starter and if he's with the right coach and the right organization

can more than function can win you games on Sunday night football against a really good defense against essentially two defensive coordinator Rahim Morris defensive coordinator Jeff Oldberg, defensive coordinator. I mean, their head coach is a defensive guy, and they have a legit defensive coordinator.

They are a well-run defensive operation. And he's just matriculating the ball with Christian McCaffrey down the field in Kyle Shanahan. And it looks like a more than functional player. So congrats to him for just not tapping out and just keep on swinging and turn it into a good player. So what a win. Five and two, Savverskill 49ers.

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Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay.

Gentian win. I mean, she went down in three to Roebuckina, but I'm delighted. Yeah, she's an outsider to win the French. me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennarabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What's up, fam, Ms. Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Brian heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves,

I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives. us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 33 points in the fourth quarter. is not a record. Turns out it was 34. But the only way you can come back when you are in a situation like the Titans a couple weeks ago

with the Arizona Cardinals today with the Denver Broncos against the Giants, it's impossible to just score in your own possessions. You're going to need a free possession, which is a turnover. It's the only way to make one of these comebacks. And in the Titans case, it was the demarcato,

fumble at the goal line. They got a free possession out of it instead of a touchdown. And on the Broncos case tonight, it was Jackson Dart throwing them a ball, basically hitting their defensive player right in the hands. But I thought there were a couple moments tonight. And I'm on the side of like, at this point in time, Brian Dayball,

who's going to be a polarizing guy? Like, it's pretty clear. Mike McDaniel's going to get fired. Jonathan Gannon's in major, major trouble. I don't think you can just transition to Jackson Dart and have this success. Scataboo, the team. They have been a pretty capable team since they put Jackson Dart in there.

Firing Brian Dayball is pretty risky, right? I think we see this over and over. The Titans currently, I saw a headline today. They're already starting their coaching search. If you're starting a coaching search in the NFL before Halloween, I just can't take your organization seriously. You know, during the work week, everyone else is game planning, you know, watching draft picks, watching free...

Like, everyone in the NFL kind of follows the same schedule. Meanwhile, the Titans president and GM are orchestrating a coaching search. Like, I just can't take your franchise seriously. So when I look up today and Mike Vrable is just ruining your organization, just completely clowning them up and down the field. Like, you kind of brought this upon yourself.

I do think the Giants have tried to do it the right way. Their ownership was very... clear, like it was so embarrassing, but we just wanted to give these guys a little more time. And then you let him handpick the quarterback. And then he shows life. Now, we can argue the coaching. They got way too pass happy at the end of the game. Just run the ball, kill some clock.

Listen, if you're going to fumble on a run, so be it. Shit happens. But do not put it on this young quarterback who obviously threw the bad pick. And then the next series, they're throwing like Jalen Hertz to A.J. Brown trying to hit these balls down the seam. it's like, what are you doing? Just run the ball. You can nitpick the play calling.

Totally agree. But I do think that, like, I'd keep him. They're not going to win many games, but I think I would just give them a little bit longer leash. Just one more year with the guy. I just think it's pretty risky. Because all of a sudden, you get in this cycle and you become the Titans fast.

And you almost take one step forward, you're like, oh, Jackson Dart, Cam Scadaboo, then all of a sudden you bring in this next coach. because what's the coach going to do? You'll see it with the Titans. I want to like Cam Ward. I've been watching his career since he's been at Washington State. Last year was awesome to watch. He looks fucking terrible right now.

Looks atrocious. Looks like one of the worst players in the NFL. Is it his fault? I don't know. That organization, you've got people getting fired, you got new coordinators. It's not like he's absent of blame, but it's hard to know how much falls on his shoulders. but here's what I do know. It's going to be a chaotic this year and probably next year.

Right? And even when you get the right coach, look at Caleb Williams. I watch Caleb the day. I think he looks pretty bad. I don't think he looks good at all. Not comfortable in the pocket, always scrambling and running around. But they run the ball well, they play defense.

Ben Johnson is a good coach? Right? Now, is Brian Dayball good coach? I don't know. But I do think he's shown enough with this quarterback. he's an offensive guy. I would just give them a little more growth together. And I just think that Sean Payton's very lucky

because through three quarters, it looked like their offense was completely broken. Like it was just, this is not going to work. You guys went all in for this quarterback. This offense has, I think they had the worst third down percentage over a three-game period in the entire league. They were trending the wrong way.

They could not, They could not complete passes. They could not get first downs. And then all of a sudden it just flipped. And now you look, they score 33 points. They're 5 and 2. Their defense is obviously really good. And they have life.

And today felt a little T-bo-ish. If you remember years ago when Tebow came in for Denver, they pulled games out of nowhere. They had no business winning. There was a famous one at Miami. That's what today felt like a little bit. And how sustainable is that? And this is where I think winning sometimes can bandaid your issues

because the Broncos, like, didn't fix everything in one quarter. They had, like, the football gods threw them a bone. But those first three quarters have kind of been a consistent theme. And listen, I would imagine Sean Payton has to be pretty frustrated. You have to wonder, like, his play calling and the rhythm with Bo Nix, it's completely off. They keep calling these deeper breaking routes that are just simply not working. Bo Nix is not hitting them.

It's like, what does Kyle Shanahan call for Mac Jones? Like, outbreaking routes. Like deep outs, deep comebacks, or, you know, routes over the middle. Stuff he's comfortable with. Yet they keep calling go routes for Bo Nix. And he not only doesn't hit them, they're not even close.

Feels like he's overthrowing him by five yards. You could have Randy Moss meets Kevin Garnett. I don't even think you get a fingertip on the ball. So I think the Broncos, and I'm someone that has a lot of exposure on them to win the division. Clearly the chiefs are playing better right now. They just got to figure out some sort of consistent offense if they want any shot to compete in the AFC. Because one offense that has figured it out, I think by far start to finish,

he's been the best offensive coordinator in the NFL this year, Stuyen. What he has done is just remarkable. And he was so fired up today watching him on the sideline. Jonathan Taylor, pound for pounds, is one of the best players in the league right now. Just a dominant force. And it kind of makes me sad, you know, Wisconsin guy, their programs and shambles, kind of the last of a,

one of that last generation of good Wisconsin players until they've kind of gone through this downturn. But whatever's happened to him, remember, we're not that far removed from him being mad about money a couple years ago. That might have even been last year to what he's doing right now. Like, he is, he's a dominant force.

He is, two years ago is McCaffrey, last year it was Sequin, and this year it feels like it's him. Like, I'm the best running back in the league right now. And what's shamed, the rhythm, and how good he is at getting Daniel Jones on the move. Like, one of Daniel Jones' strengths is his athleticism. So, and he's not like some power thrower. Like, he actually has a pretty good touch. And there are plays today, some play action plays, getting him on the move, some dump-offs. They get Tyler Warren and Space.

all the time. They had a great play in the red zone, like a play action, a little dump off to Pittman for a touchdown. His play calling is just spectacular. Now, they pick Herbert off a couple times, but they were scoring at will today. And the Colts, I don't know how good their defense is relative to like, can they be a true AFC, like win the AFC? Their offense right now, though, is. And you win enough games, like you control, like you get that thing in the dome. They have multiple receivers. They got a stud tight end. They got an elite back.

And they got a quarterback who's very, very confident. The other offensive coordinator that, listen, everyone shit on this guy. Every single person. Brian Schadenheimer is going to be won and done. Brian Schadenheimer doesn't deserve the job. Jerry Jones has lost it. I probably said half those things. Brian Schadenheimer this year as an offensive coordinator has been dominant.

What he has done to lose, I told this to coward, to have Micah Parsons traded a couple days before week one is not easy if you are Andy Reed or Pete Carroll or Sean McVey let alone a first-time head coach and not only did he handle that well he's also taking in George Pickens who is at least it felt like one of the great wild card person out Mike Tom is like I'm out I can't do this I'll go I'd rather give DK Matt Cap $150 million which is kind of crazy

and just get rid of George Pickens, who's basically free right now. And Jerry's like, here, here you go, Brian. No problem. He's going to have 80 catches this year in 10 touchdowns. And just dominant play after dominant play after dominant play. And then CD comes back, Ferguson, how well Dax playing. They look, they look like the Rams. You just like watch the Rams play.

It's like touchdown, first down, first down, chunk play. That's how the Cowboys look. Now, their defense stinks. and that limits their ceiling of probably being a wildcard team. But they have been a revelation this year. Because on the flip side, like Washington looks terrible. Obviously, Jayden's injured again. Defensively, they can't stop a soul.

Offensively, they got a bunch of injuries. They look like the magic from 2024 is, you know, I almost ran out of gas the other day. It was one of those, like I was on empty. It was like a Tuesday. And I didn't drive that much on a Wednesday. And then I realized I had to do some stuff on a Thursday. And then all of a sudden, like, I'm below empty.

And that's what it feels like right now with the commanders. Like, they're below empty. They got nothing. You know, they're like a pitcher in the eighth inning who, you know, starts off throwing about 93 and by the 6th or 7th is thrown about 85. Tim Linscombe used to be like this toward the end of his career. It's like all of a sudden his fastball is going like 82 years old. It's like, skip.

We got to go to the pen here. And I don't know what the commander's supposed to do. Players are their players. They look, they look really bad. Something that's just really, really off. Two things I think we can unofficially say. The Tua and the Kyla Murray eras are over. Tua got benched.

I wasn't super locked into that game, but that whole thing is just, obviously he's had an awful season. The franchise is falling apart. I don't really know what you do because his contract is still pretty big. It's not like you could trade him. You wouldn't think.

Maybe you could eat some of the money. maybe a team could use them as a bridge. I'd say the same thing for Kyler Murray. The difference for Tua and Kyler is the backup comes in who everyone likes Jacoby Burset, from Bill Parcells to the cafeteria guy at every organization he's ever played for. Jacoby Berset is probably one of the more consistently respected guys in the NFL. Never thought he was that good of a player. And I'm watching him come in for the Cardinals and not only look good like

they're a well-run operation when he's playing quarterback for them. And they have looked way better these last two weeks with him playing offense, same with Marvin Harrison, than when Kyler's played. And I just think they're two and five, Cardinals are headed nowhere. Obviously the Dolphins just got ransacked by the Cleveland Browns. It's just over. And this is a good example of,

I understand when you have a quarterback, you need to invest in them. but if you're not super confident in your quarterback, why would you pay them? Like, just play it out. I don't think we do that enough. Just play it out. For every Dak Prescott's like,

well, we played Dak Prescott out and we had to pay him a lot of money. Okay. But like, would you have given Kyler this huge contract? Did you need to do it after year three? And the answer of course is no. Same thing with Tua. Like, who are you bidding against at the time?

I never quite understand this. And I think two teams that were burned so bad were the Cardinals and the Dolphi. and they find themselves in these situation where they have this quarterback albatross. You know, I wouldn't be shocked at all if, like, they just kind of ride with Jacoby. Because that's what I would do watching them play. They feel like a much more efficient operation when Berset is in there than when Kyler, who can make spectacular plays, but there's no cohesion snap to snap.

One play could be 50 yards, the next three plays could be, you know, negative 10. And two, it's just who just wants to watch him play at this. point in time. Hey, it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just

contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But, this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, oh, we were

thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because

I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.

And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding way. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on

offense. And when IT's friends stop, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp

with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We will end with this. One thing I think we're about to learn, like in the NFL, not all jobs are

equal, right? Who am I answering to? How much you're going to pay me? Do I have say over the roster? Right? Do I have to, the Tennessee job? Well, it's like, you have a president who's a football guy, and you have a GM, who's a football guy, and you have an impulsive owner. So, like, who am I answering to? And how much you paying me? Because you paid your last coach three million dollars, and he had to deal with all this bullshit, and he got fired. So if I'm even interested in the Tennessee job and I have any sort of leverage, I'm going to need a lot of money to even entertain you. Right? And I think in football it's very easy to see hierarchies. Like, who am I answering to? Who's in charge? In college, that's not the case. When you hire all these top college coaches, they're the boss.

Ryan Day, the GM at Ohio State works for him. The GM at Oregon works for Dan Lanning. The GM at Notre Dame works for Marcus Freeman. The GM at Texas works for Sark. Now, you've got to deal with some boosters and provost and some, but like, you're the boss of your football team. There is not a player on the team that you don't sign off on. And historically, it was clear some jobs are better than others. There's not a time in the history of the sport when Penn State was viewed as an equal to Indiana, let alone not a vastly superior job and location to work as a head coach. Yet Kurt Signetti basically just said, not only am I not interested, I'll take $11.5 million to stay at Indiana.

because the world's changed. NIL, revenue, it's just, it's different than it was five, six years ago. Where obviously the top programs, a lot of them are still going to be the top programs, but like it wasn't difficult for Alabama to give someone $30,000. It's a big difference to give five guys, what game was I watching a couple weeks ago,

where the coach said that the opposing coach said that they had seven or eight players making over a million dollars. So it was like before, yeah, people got brown bags and some free. car leases. Now it's like they also need the car lease to go on top of the million dollars that you have to pay them. And that's just your linebacker. Your quarterback, Carson Beck, who just threw four interceptions, is making millions upon millions of dollars. Hell, the shitty quarterback for North Carolina, the little lefties making 1.5. This is going right, whether we agree or not.

And Florida just fired Billy Napier. In all signs, there was a CBS report that the AD at Florida has already done a lot of research on Lane Kiffin, who has clearly changed the narrative and just the way we view him as a human being. He is one of the most likable guys in college football. A lot of people say, I've cleaned up my act. He looks sober. Some people claim they're sober, might be lying.

Like, Lane Kippen looks sober. Looks really healthy, lost a ton of weight. Obviously, does hot yoga seven days a week. It's just got a vibrant feel to him When I scouted, when I went, I went through USC when he was there. He was like angry and grouchy. He was not this big personality. He actually talked to nobody.

I would say he was pretty miserable back then. The guy you see now that honestly had Georgia on the ropes a couple days ago is a completely different human being. And there have been a lot of question marks over the last couple years with off-the-field stuff with Lane Kiffin. He wanted to interview for Oregon and wanted that job the year Dan Lannie. got it. They wouldn't even entertain them. They would not entertain them. Alabama was open when Nick Saban retired. They didn't call Lane Kiffin. He had worked there for three years. Nick Saban and him

pretend to be friends. They were never going to hire Lane Kiffin. They went to Kalin Dubor that was from the Dakotas who was working at Washington and Fresno State. Lane Kippin had been in the building, knew the, knew the Nick Sabin blueprint. And look at Lane. He has taken Ole Miss and turned them into a power. he's fucking competing with the Division 2 quarterback at Ole Miss. But I don't know job, like, I know Ohio State is better than every job. I know Texas is better than every because the amount of money, the recruits, the whole thing. But then we get into like, is Florida a great job anymore? In theory, yeah.

They're in the state with a bunch of recruits. But like, we've been watching them for a long time now, not winning. They've had a bunch of NIL. It's not really working. So we're going to find out that do you need to leave, like, Is there a big difference between Ole Miss and Florida? A lot of people would say, yes, there is. And historically, 100%.

But in 2025, I don't know. Right? I know this. There is a big difference working for the Green Bay Packers and the Tennessee Titans. There is a major difference working for the Kansas Chiefs and the Arizona Cardinals.

There are well-run organizations. There are well-run ownerships. There are well-run just franchises in terms of their resources. and the way they think about the business, and then they're the shitty ones, and we see it all the time. It's why the same teams draft high every single year.

Well, in college football now, it's like, Texas, I'm watching the ASU Texas Tech game. The announcer is like, Texas Tech is paying $28 million for their roster. So it's like, if you have big NIL and collectives and revenue, that's a good job. Historically, Texas Tech would be one of the worst jobs in Texas. Texas be better, Texas A&M, be better. You could argue SMU and TCU were better. Well, if they're going to give you

$28 to $30 million a year to spend on players, you could argue that job is every bit as good as the other jobs, you know? And I think we're about to find out. My guess would be, Lane Kiffin will be the next head coach at Florida. But I wouldn't bet a lot on it because he's winning and having more success at Ole Miss. And one thing he's talked about is being around family, his life has changed. So we're going to find out. And if Penn state and Florida can't get guys to leave, maybe we need to rethink and relook at the way we've always kind of put the hierarchy of jobs, these, you know, I'm not just talking Ohio State and Texas, I'm talking the next 15 jobs. Maybe actually it's much more open-ended and there's

40 jobs that are all kind of in the same ballpark. Have a great night. See you later. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts.

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