The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Dak Prescott & Cowboys UPSET by McCarthy & Vikings on SNF + NFL Week 15 Reaction
Episode Date: December 15, 2025Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 15 Sunday Night Football matchup between J.J. McCarthy and the Minnesota Vikings vs. Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowbo...ys. John kicks off by reacting to J.J. McCarthy's big game in a win vs. the Cowboys on SNF. John explains why it is good for McCarthy to continue to play well so that he can develop his relationship with his head coach Kevin O'Connell and his star wide receiver Justin Jefferson. John then questions what is going wrong with the Cowboys and George Pickens as the reciever seems disinterested for the second time in two weeks. John then reacts to the major NFL injuries sustained in Week 15, including ACL injuries to Kansas City Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes and Green Bay Packers' Micah Parsons, hamstring injury to Los Angeles Rams' Devante Adams, and a PCL injury to San Francisco 49ers' Rickey Pearsall. John then admits he was wrong about the Chicago Bears and that they look like a team that could potentially capture the top seed in the NFC. Next, John reacts to Josh Allen's spectacular comeback vs. divisional rival Patriots led by Drake Maye. John then reacts to Denver Broncos QB Bo Nix playing the game of his life vs. the Packers as well as Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson bouncing back vs. Joe Burrow and the CIncinatti Bengals. John then talks about Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders' struggles vs. the Bears and he can fend off the organization drafting another QB in the 1st round of the 2026 NFL Draft.John wraps up by debating if Las Vegas Raiders head coach Pete Caroll should've stayed retired and applauds Indiapolis Colts QB Phillip Rivers for coming out of retirement. John closes out with his Hard Rock Bet Monday Night Football picks: Miami Dolphins (+3) at Pittsburgh Steelers De'Von Achane 2 TDs (+500) 02:04 - Vikings-Cowboys SNF Reaction 04:42 - J.J. McCarthy 13:55 - What is going on with George Pickens? 19:22 - Patrick Mahomes ACL injury 24:37 - Micah Parsons ACL injury 31:31 - GameTime 32:48 - Chicago Bears 34:07 - Lions-Rams 36:15 - Titans-49ers 38:53 - Bills-Patriots 43:32 - Packers-Broncos 47:07 - Ravens-Bengals 49:35 - Browns QB Shedeur Sanders 52:46 - Raiders head coach Pete Carroll 55:02 - Colts QB Phillip Rivers 58:36 - Hard Rock Bet MNF Picks Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow - for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Really enjoyed football today. We had a lot going on. We just watched J.J. McCarthy.
Have an excellent game. We'll lead with that. And then we obviously had to,
I mean, one of the greatest players of this century,
Terrez ACL today and Patrick Mahomes.
Micah Parsons, all indications are he tore his ACL as well.
So some Devante Adams got injured.
Christian Watson got injured.
We had some major, major injuries that we'll have,
not the Mahomes thing because they got Cato out of the playoffs,
but some ripple effects.
I mean, the Packers had a devastating day.
The Patriots also had a devastating day
Given they were up 21 to nothing
And could have won the division
And then Josh Allen happened
The Broncos and Bo Nix
I mean had his like the finding moment
As a quarterback today so far in the NFL
You had the Bears
Now look like they could win the division
You got the 49ers
Who are still alive for like the number one seed
The Eagles got some life
Pete Carroll
Just probably needs to retire
So we got a lot of football
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I've been very hard on JJ McCarthy,
as everyone has. He looked
for much of his time
while he played. I mean, he was injured a lot.
like a player that you can't function with.
And over these last couple weeks,
and we talked about this once it's clear they weren't making the playoffs,
is there had to be some sign of progress this last month
or else it would cause a very chaotic offseason for them
because they would have a major question at quarterback.
They could not just run it back and say J.J. McCarthy is starting
because they have a locker room.
They have people on the team making a ton of money who are big-time players.
you have to be able to look in the eye and say,
we are trying our best to win.
It's why the Colt signed Philip Rivers
and not some random quarterback on a practice squad.
How could you look Jonathan Taylor in the face and go,
we're trying?
Because you couldn't.
Even if Philip Rivers,
like at least you can say,
we believe this is our best option.
And he's even at 45 years old and chubby,
better than a bunch of dudes on practice squads.
And he knows the offense.
Right?
So J.J. McCarthy, to look,
especially Justin Jefferson in the eyes this offseason and go,
we're going to keep rolling with this at quarterback.
There has to be some substance behind it.
And over the last couple weeks, and specifically today,
this is, I'm going to get a lot of, it's the Cowboys defense,
Dallas's defense.
And listen, I'm no Matt Eberflus fan.
And they looked a lot like they looked before the trading deadline earlier in the season.
Didn't look great.
but I thought J.J. McCarthy, relative to his standard, was exceptional. I mean, he was
balling the night. He made the best throw of his career on his first touchdown pass when he rolled
left, threw across his body, as Collinsworth broke it down, let the ball rip before his
wide receiver was out of his break. Countless times the night, and it's, we know he has a good arm,
right? I know he's working through some mechanics, but, like, Jay J.J. McCarthy has a strong arm. The
question with him, and clearly
Kevin O'Connell over the course
of the year has told the
broadcasters, his
problem has been change-ups, his
problem has been layering the balls,
his problem has been the touch passes.
And tonight, countless times he did
that. He had Hawkinson on a
ball that was beautiful over the shoulder.
He had another play down the sideline,
I think to Nailer on a back-shoulder play.
There was a beautiful concept drawn up
by Kevin O'Connell. Obviously
as it showed his athletic ability,
running for some first downs.
I think they even mentioned on the broadcast that clearly the Vikings, starting with Kevin
O'Connell, believe that it's safer to dive head first when you're going for a first down
than it is the slide because you can kind of control at which angle you kind of go.
I was like, ah, it kind of makes some sense.
But listen, I was impressed.
And if you're a Vikings fan, you should be like, okay, there's something.
The season's lost.
We're not going to the playoffs.
more than likely we're going to have an under 500 record
but like we drafted this guy really high
it looked extremely bleak
a couple weeks ago
his statistical profile
comp to Jamarcus Russell
like that wasn't a subjective
opinions being thrown out on the shows
like he reminds me of Jamarcus Russell
this is the next Jamarcus Russell
that's not what was happening
literally his profile
statistically, in terms of drop back and success rate and, you know, playing the position
paralleled only Jamarcus Russell the way he played the position.
So it was, no one could argue it was a major problem.
And I don't know if whatever Kevin O'Connell has done to settle him down, get him to
play a little looser.
And again, I understand the opponent tonight was not good.
It felt like he would drop back
and you could count five Mississippi's
for you'd even see a cowboy guy around
but that's not what this is about
like this game today
like the outcome of that game
at the end of the day
once Philly kind of got their mojo today
and they're not going to lose to Washington
in either one of those games
Dallas wasn't catching them
right Dallas is a 7-8 win team
and that's fine right
they traded Micah before the season
they got a lot of issues still
and holes to fill this off season
like I think water
finds this level. We're starting to, like, if their offense isn't perfect, they're going to have
issues, their defense is not dependable. But JJ ripped it. I was impressed. I thought like, okay,
this is an NFL quarterback. And it's something to build on. If he does that a couple more games,
going to the offseason, you can just have a positive outlook and emphasize everything this
offseason, OTA's being big, into training camp, and we can keep working on the improvement. He can keep
getting these reps.
I mean, you go on the road in the NFL,
whether you're playing the Titans or whether you're playing the Houston Texans,
having success, creating confidence,
because the way you create confidence is to do well on the field.
Right?
You can't fake it.
Right?
You have to do it.
And clearly, I don't know if he had lost his confidence earlier this year,
whether it was the injuries, whether it was obviously mechanically he's working through some things,
and he still is.
It's a little funky.
But I, listen, he made a lot of big time throws tonight.
There was a deep bomb early in the game.
Just let it rip.
But to me, it's the touch throws.
Like, no one questions his just pure arm strength.
Even one the night where he made a beautiful throw
and then he overthrew Jefferson on like a deep out route on the right corner.
It's like, the guy can throw it hard, right?
It's all about touch plays.
That's how you have success in the NFL, right?
Some of the great plays of Patrick Mahomes' career,
or Lamar Jackson's career, or Josh Allen's career,
aren't always just the drive throws.
Sometimes it might be a scramble,
throw it over a linebacker, and hit a guy in stride.
And he did that multiple times today.
And now he's got a build on it.
And we know the Vikings are well-coached, right?
They have an excellent head coach.
They have an awesome defensive coordinator.
They have a well-structured organization.
they're consistently good over the course of, I don't know, 30 plus years of my life.
From the 90s to the 2000s and the 2010s, they consistently have good, well-run teams, well-coached teams, deep rosters,
you know, quarterback play.
When they've had good quarterback play, they've been good.
And typically they've had to, you know, sign guys like the FAR thing, the cousins thing,
over the last 15 plus years.
But a homegrown guy, now I, I, I,
think you're not, you know, writing this in Sharpie that he's just going to be your starter
for the next seven years. But like, this is a positive. And before you can run, like, before
you run a 5K, you might have to prove yourself you can run a mile or help, a couple laps, right?
So, I mean, the bar is pretty low here. We're not looking for John Elway or Joe Montana.
We're just looking to win a couple games, throw a couple touchdowns, and complete a couple third downs.
on third longs, on different looks, different concepts,
and just be like, okay, he can do that.
Check that off the list.
So congrats to JJ McCarthy.
A huge part of playing football,
just like a huge part of life,
is when shit hits the fan,
when things are not going well.
And the hard part about a football player,
it typically a lot of them are young, right?
So it's forcing you.
It's easier for us as you go through life
and tough things happen.
you've become a little hard.
But it's a lot easier for me to do it at 41 years old than it was for me to do it at 26, at 29, at 32.
Right?
Experience you're able to grow on that.
Sometimes as a young player, it's all thrust on you.
And he was like the one thing I will defend, it is tough being a young player put in a position on a good team.
It's way easier to just go to the Cleveland Browns or, you know, the Arizona Cardinals or the Tennessee Titans.
and nothing matters.
Listen, I was a fan of Cam Ward at Miami,
but I don't even know what, like,
nothing matters that they're doing.
Like nothing.
With the Vikings, you know,
everything to start the season mattered.
A lot of eyeballs.
They were a 14-win team last year.
They've been a really good team under Kevin O'Connell.
And it's just a lot of pressure,
even coming from Michigan,
where you've won the Natty.
Now, granted, you won the Natty by defense
and running the ball and not much on you,
and then you go to a place,
where the coach wants to throw the ball all the time.
And that's fine.
That's what he, his philosophical belief on winning football games.
But to execute that at the highest level is difficult.
And going on the road in Dallas, you can throw at me all you want about defensive statistics.
I don't give a shit that was a positive.
For Dallas, I don't think there's that much to say.
You know, when their defense plays crappy, their offense has no margin for error.
and their offense was just a little off tonight.
In George Pickens, these last couple weeks,
I mean, what happened in Detroit last Thursday,
everything that led up to this, how they talked to him,
and then he just kind of feels like he's a little MIA again.
I think, because with Dallas now, it's the big picture stuff, right?
And they clearly got a couple picks,
and this Packer thing, which we'll talk about in a minute,
could get a lot better on their side, the Micah Trade.
I mean, their season could just completely unravel.
I mean, it's not impossible for the Packers to miss the playoffs.
I think it would be unlikely, but if they lose these next couple weeks,
this thing could get away from them and get away from them quick.
And to me, if you're Dallas now, you're just better off losing.
But you're just better off losing these games, right?
And it's pretty clear now.
The Eagles, I know, officially they haven't won the division.
They've won the division.
The Philadelphia Eagles are going to be the three seat.
They are going to host a game and more than likely this upcoming week against the commanders.
they will get a hat and t-shirt and this thing will be over.
And, you know, Dallas's flaws, you know, when Dax's on, he looks awesome.
When he's a little off, it doesn't quite look as good.
And I just think that when you go, the Pickens thing was real.
Like the plays he was making, he was just, he was bawling.
And whatever happened over the course of the last, I don't know,
I don't know if it happened during the week leading into Detroit,
during Thanksgiving week, I don't know, because he was awesome.
that Thanksgiving Day game against the Chiefs,
and it's all kind of unraveled.
And the problem is, is that position is,
it's not a cheap endeavor, right?
I mean, it's expensive to get into business with wide receivers.
Ask the 49ers about their situation with Brandon Ayyuk.
Like, they gave him $75 million.
Then he just went MIA and they tried to steal $25 million back.
And I said at the time, like, this guy's catching 74 balls a year.
But that's kind of the going rate.
right? I mean, that's the going rate for these guys.
Like, even if he's not a top-tier guy, at minimum,
he's still making $22 to $25 million a year.
And I think at this point in time, if you're the Cowboys,
like, is this what we want to get into business with?
Right, because they have a bunch of high-level guys.
Like, I see how hard CD-Land plays and how hard, you know, DAC and Ferguson.
Like, do you trust this and paying him more money?
And I think the answer is, is Mike Talmlin will tell you,
you see? I try to tell you. Like, I told you guys. I think it's pretty clear. Like, you got to be smart about doing businesses off-season when it comes to paying a lot of money for, you know, for that player, especially a position where you can find guys in the draft pretty easily. Like, you should be able to find guys in the second, third, fourth round. They can be really, really productive for you immediately to go along with the other weapons that you already have under contract. And I don't know, you know, Quinn and Williams was hurt tonight.
I think if you're Dallas now that you ain't making the playoffs,
I don't think it's the worst thing to just keep losing out,
get a high draft pick and just see what happens to Green Bay,
and just reset this offseason,
which I actually think it's been a pretty positive year for the Cowboys,
like pretty respectable.
They made the Mike of Trade.
Most people thought they were going to be like a three-win team.
They'll probably end up with seven wins.
They had a tie against the Packers.
It was a pretty respect.
year given the circumstances.
Your head coach that everyone thought, and I'm probably guilty of this too,
I'm like, what are you doing hiring this guy?
It's proven to be pretty solid, and he's definitely a good offensive play caller.
Statistically, they lead the league in yards per game.
I think they're like second or third in points per game, which is his side of the ball.
In part of defense, like obviously your defensive coordinator has a big impact,
but like Fangio looks a lot better when he's got really good players.
I've seen Fanjo with bad players and not go well.
Like Robert Salah's doing a badass job this year.
They just gave up 24 points against one of the worst teams,
if not the worst team in the league, the Tennessee Titans.
So I think part of it, and my point is,
because Sala doesn't have any players right now.
So a huge part of defense is the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
Now, once you got the Jimmy's in the Joe's,
if you pair them with the X's and the O's,
you got yourself the Houston Texans.
But you can't make chicken sands.
salad out of chicken shit on defense. You can manipulate stuff on offense. You can't do it on defense.
And they just need some more firepower. Obviously, they need an edge rusher to go along with their
defensive tackles. D.Bs are actually, I mean, they have a couple defensive backs that, you know,
worth keeping. But other than that, like, they'd seen a lot of help. They need, they just need
players over there, which I would imagine they draft heavy, heavy defense. And even same thing with
free agency because
tonight was pretty bad.
I mean, you made J.J. McCarthy look like
Joe Montana at times.
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The big stories of the day, though.
I mean, the headline story of the league.
today were the two major injuries.
Starting with, I would say, the league's most famous player.
He's on the leagues.
I mean, the Chiefs are going to officially now miss the playoffs,
but they have become the biggest brand in the league over the last five or six years.
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tore his ACL, which if I would have told you three months ago
that Patrick Mahomes would have torn his ACL in the middle of December
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and they have simply had the year from hell.
And the Patrick Mahomes ACL injury feels like,
I'd say the cherry on top of the year from hell,
but it's more than that.
I mean, it's late December.
I know, and I'm guilty of this too.
You start doing the math in your head
about how long a guy's going to miss.
But I do think we go back to Adrian Peterson
when he came back in like a month,
for whatever it was from his ACL injury, that's not normal.
Everyone reacts and responds to these injuries differently.
We have seen guys that, you know, try to battle back too quickly,
injure other parts of their leg.
It happened to, you know, it's a different sport,
but Clay Thompson was returning from an ACL injury and Torres Achilles.
We saw Daniel Jones had a broken leg, Torres Achilles.
You just, this guy's your friend.
franchise. I mean, literally, he changed the NFL. The Kansas Chiefs, he turned them into like
the Dallas Cowboys meets the Green Bay Packers the moment he began starting. He made Andy Reed,
a guy that was viewed as someone that could never win the big one, become a three-time
champion. Now, you could argue never win the big one, like Andy Reed's resume before Patrick
Mahomes was pretty awesome. But he turned him into a living legend. I mean,
one of a guy that's going to go into the Hall of Fame and be considered right up there like
Bill Walsh. You know Bill Walsh won three Super Bowls? I think sometimes we talk about Bill Walsh like he won
five. He won three. George Seaford won the last of the 80s and then won another one in 1994.
So I just think this injury is one. If you're Kansas City, you're just extra cautious on.
And your franchise goes as far as this guy takes you. Now let's face it, on the field over the last couple of years.
he hasn't quite been as dominant.
So maybe there's an element of reset here.
I think if you're the Chiefs now,
I've been saying this last week when it was clear
they weren't going to make the playoffs.
Like you're actually better off losing out.
Now I don't even think you have to argue.
Just lose out.
I mean, just Minchu came in.
Kind of a tough spot, obviously through a terrible pick
where it wasn't even close to getting to Kelsey.
I mean, he basically hit Turwin James in stride.
But I think if you're the Chiefs,
not only do you want to lose out,
you're actually contemplating, depending on how it goes.
Like if the Raiders look like they could have the number one pick,
would you actually tie to screw them and let them beat you?
So you derail their draft hopes of getting potentially Fernando Mendoza
and getting a franchise quarterback.
But there's no way around it.
I mean, if you're a Chief fan this year has been awful,
they've been tough to watch at times,
they've had just devastating losses.
and to see him down on the ground like that
and to see the visual of him being helped back
to the locker room by the trainers.
Rick Burke Holter, who is the chiefs trainer,
who I've known since Philly.
He's been with Andy, I think, like 25 years.
It's just terrible.
And it's a blow for the NFL.
There's just no way around it.
Now, a little lucky that this only happens
with a couple games left
and they're not going to be in the playoffs.
and also like an ACL injury.
I saw Jordan Schultz put this out there.
Same thing with Tom Brady is ninth year in the NFL.
Now Tom tore his ACL, what was it, week one, against the Chiefs, ironically.
I want to say Tony Pollard.
It wasn't Tony Pollard, but it was the Pollard.
I'm pretty sure he played at UCLA.
Hit him in his lower leg.
This was a little different kind of a non-con.
Well, I guess he got kind of bet back on a tackle.
Now his knee was already kind of felt like not doing great.
But man, I would say though, the bigger injury given the impact on 2025 was Micah Parsons.
And a lot like Patrick Mahomes when he's laying there on the ground, it's like you know it.
Maybe you watch football long enough.
Obviously the non-contact stuff, it tends to be pretty clear.
but I don't remember a team.
I mean, at one point in time today,
they were up 23 to 14.
It felt like in full control of the game.
And it's like, you know what?
The Packers coming off that big win,
came on the road to Denver,
came out the gate swinging.
They just looked really good.
Josh Jacobs is making...
Josh Jacobs looked like Marshall Falk today,
catching balls down the sideline.
He had a big touchdown run.
Josh Jacobs is a badass.
Talk about a war daddy.
Josh Jacobs could play on my team any day of the week
and 100 times on Sunday.
And he was dominating that game.
And then Jordan Love throws the pick over the middle of the field.
Christian Watson, also major injury.
We don't quite know the results of that.
I think they said he was going to go to the hospital
when they get back to Green Bay.
They said a chest, not a shoulder,
because I think most people,
when he's laying on the ground,
assume that he broke his collarbone.
So maybe he did something else.
We'll see if that's a season ender,
because that would be devastating.
Then they score and they take the lead
and then Michael Parks and Sarah's ACL.
It's like, what just happened?
Honestly, I don't remember a team
that we would have all agreed,
like this team 100% can win the Super Bowl.
They have a dominant running back
who can run and catch
they have more than enough wide receivers
even though their star tight end is missing
they've done enough to fill that
and their defense is unreal
led by a $40 million a year pass rusher
who just looks like he shot out of a candidate
every time he pass rushes
then their fastest guy in offense
just taking back to the locker room
who's injured who just gets injured a lot anyway
so you're just like that's not good
but when Micah Parsons was on the ground
honestly I just felt like their season's over
that was my first response
And then I didn't see the clip till halftime of the Sunday night game when they show LaFleur.
He looks like he saw a ghost.
How would he not?
He was literally coaching a season that was one, he knows he has a team that's in a weird way like get to the Super Bowl or bust.
I would say minimum NFC championship or bust.
He's also kind of coaching for a contract extension.
I mean, part of this whole season was Matt LaFleur is not under contract.
contract after this year. I mean, he's got a one year left, but like this kind of extension
time. He's either getting an extension after this year or as the new president kind of alluded to
before the season, like, we're going to have to make a decision. And he's no dummy. He sees a reality.
I just lost a guy that scored five touchdowns in four weeks, who's the fastest guy, one of the
fastest guys in the league. And I lost a guy that we traded two first rounders for, gave $188 million,
who's fucking dominated the majority of the season
and been the best player on our defense,
which has been one of the best defense in the league.
And now we're playing the Bears
who got their mojo back against the Browns
and are going to be pretty confident playing us
because they just took us down to the wire a week ago.
And all of a sudden I look up,
I go, well, the Rams and Seattle both have 11 wins.
They play Thursday.
One of those two teams is going to have 12.
and the 49ers are playing Phillip Rivers.
So more than likely, they're going to have 11 wins at the end of the week.
So if we lose the Bears, we're probably not going to win the division.
The Chicago Bears are.
And listen, the Lions are technically still alive,
but we either could be the 7 seed, which is probably likely,
or miss the playoffs.
Like, this thing could become a disaster and become a disaster fast.
So I don't blame them.
It's the one thing I've never missed about,
leaving football is just injuries.
Like, what are you supposed to say next man up?
I always thought is the dumbest, the dumbest thing that's ever said in the NFL.
Like, there is no next man up for Mike Parsons.
There's no next man up for Patrick Mahomes.
There is no, you go back to, what was his name, Dick for a meal when Trent Green
got hurt and he said, Kurt Warner's started and we will win with Kurt Warner.
That's the only time that's ever really worked.
Like most guys, when Trent Green goes down, Kurt Warner turns out to be like John Middletoff
and you just lose every game.
And then you never hear about that player ever again.
99% of the time, they do not turn out to be Kurt Warner.
They turn out to be a backup who gets exposed when you play good teams.
And LaFleur knows it.
And you could see it on his face.
We're fucked.
I mean, no way around it.
And it sucks.
Like, you know, and it's not lucky for the Chiefs because they just lost Patrick Mahomes to an
ACL, but their season was over.
Right? So it sucks.
You don't want to lose a 30-year-old
superstar quarterback to a torn ACL,
but you were not going to the playoffs.
So it just sucks that he's injured.
Right. For the Packers,
I mean, halfway through this game,
Matt LaFour had to be thinking like,
we're not only going to win this game, we're going to beat the Bears next week,
we're going to get the number one seed,
and we're going to win the freaking NFC,
and then we're going to win the Super Bowl,
and I'm going to become a legend.
I'm going to be like the skinny kind of millennial version of Mike Holmgren.
That's what I'm going to be, I'm going to get a statue in this franchise one day.
And then it flipped.
And that's how fast things happen in professional sports, especially in football.
Or in any given play, someone could just be lost.
Like at any given play, it's like Daniel Jones is laying there.
It's like, what's his injury?
Well, he's got a broken leg in a torn Achilles.
Career could be altered and never be the same again.
That's how fast it happens.
And I think a lot of these injuries, maybe it's just the world we live in.
We have so many cameras.
You just know it when you see it.
And there wasn't a soul that watched Michael Parsons laying on that ground that thought, like,
oh, you might have just tweaked the knee.
We all thought the same thing.
He just tore up his knee.
He's done.
It's over.
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The Parsons thing I just still can't quite get over.
That just sucks.
I mean, it's the Packers, if you're Roger right now, I mean, they're a cash cow for the league.
You want them playing in big games.
And like I said, I mean, I was wrong in the Bears.
I believed in the coach, but, you know, I was not a, not a believer in the quarterback.
Didn't think it was going to work with the coach.
he has been excellent
Caleb's made so many plays
over the last month
I mentioned this to Coward
when we recorded
like the mental fortitude
they showed going into that game today
and I get it you're playing the Browns
but to show up and just beat the living
you know what out of him was like
this team's for real
I don't know if I'm picking him to win the Super Bowl
but after the devastating injures
with the Packers sitting here on
December 14th I mean
I like him to win this week against Green
Bay and I like him to end up winning the division and that's all of a sudden the bears are
going to be the two seed like think how crazy that is I think last year didn't they lose like 10 straight
games they fired iber flus the day after thanksgiving a year later they are i mean let's face it a game
away from essentially winning the division and probably being the two seed i guess not inconceivable
if seattle and the rams both lose a game or two that they could have the nethered.
number one seed. It's not out of the realm of possibility. What a turn of events. I mean,
speaking of a team that might get the one seed, I mean, Pooka Nakua is like the Polynesian
wide receiver version of George Kittle. He's just, I don't ever remember a receiver quite like
him, how physical he is, how tough he is to tackle, just what a all-around baller the dude is. I mean,
He's really good.
But it does help to have help.
And when you have Devante with him, you can't, like, throw three guys at Pugua, right?
Because at any moment, Devante can just make sweet catches, score touchdowns, like, he's a Hall of Fame level guy.
And when I looked up today and saw Devante get a flat tire and that hammy, what looked like, pulled it again.
And, you know, Sean said after the game that he wasn't going to rule him out for,
this week. The problem is this week is in four days.
And typically you don't pull a hamstring, especially when you've had reoccurring hamstring
injuries, and go on the road and I haven't checked the weather, but it's probably be cold and wet
in play. So the problem is Seattle does have a bunch of DBs and an excellent defensive
coordinator. And to me, that entire game plan is like, listen, there is no way Pook is going to
have like 10 for 140 on us. It's just not going to happen. We're going to try.
try to keep them like 50 yards, and we will double cover them every single play.
I don't care what formations you do.
We're going to have two guys designated to them and make these other tight ends
and your two running backs beat us.
Because that, if you told me the Rams went fully healthy, now their defense has issues,
but Seattle is not playing well in offense.
Sam Darnant was not good for a lot of today.
Now, clearly the Colts had some life with rivers,
but that Devonte Adams injury is pretty,
pretty big, specifically for Thursday,
which if you're the Rams and you sweep Seattle,
and Seattle still has to go on the road and play the 49ers,
pretty big.
So, I mean, I think this game, to me, with Devante out,
is a total, total coin flip.
The other injury is the 49ers play the Titans,
who were just atrocious.
I mean, they're really, really bad.
There are plays really.
Is this really happening?
They also had some positive plays as well.
Part of it is the 49ers defense.
They got a lot of randos out there.
But offensively, the Niners look incredible.
And part of it is George Kittles is good as he ever been.
George Kittles right now looks like a combination of,
like the physicality of Pete Gronk with the ball skills
and running ability with the ball in his hands of like Pete Travis Kelsey.
I mean, he looks like an unstoppable force.
McCaffrey is just slow and steady.
He's not quite as explosive as he was a couple years ago, but he's still an unreal player.
Juan Jennings dominated.
Ricky Pearsall, who obviously they drafted in the first round two years ago, got derailed early last year because he got shot.
But if you removed the gunshot wound, which I saw, I think the doctor that removed the bullets,
the crazy part about that is it was an inch or two away from being, you know, catastrophic for the guy's life.
but he's battled a bunch of other injuries
from hamstring injuries to shoulder injuries to knee injuries
and he rolled his ankle today
he hurt his knee at the end of the game
and Kyle said he might have re-injured his PCL
which is a problem
because if this team's going to make some noise
which they still can
like it's not inconceivable
if Seattle were to take down the Rams on Thursday night
like they could still win the division
because they still play Seattle
week 18 now they still got to beat the Bears
in a couple weeks which is not going to
easy given how well the Bears' offense is playing.
But their success is going to hinge on their offense
dominating and their defense just doing enough.
And part of their offense dominating is like,
Brandon Ayuk, Kyle's like, yeah, we haven't seen him in forever.
Haven't seen him forever.
I don't even know where he is.
Right?
He's not coming back.
Just things are disaster.
But we already knew that.
Like he's been MIA the whole time.
Like they were depending on Kendrick Bourne,
who was literally in NFL circles,
what you call when a guy is unemployed, like he's on the street,
even though technically not on the street, like a homeless guy.
I mean, he's a multi-millionaire, but he's just on the street waiting for a job.
And they offered him what, and he's coming and he's produced.
But Ricky Pearsall is a better player.
And you get Pearsall with Jennings, with McCaffrey, with George Kittle.
Like, they got a Kyle Shanahan high-end offense.
And if they're going to make noise, which they can win a playoff game for sure,
they're going to need them.
And that's something to definitely monitor.
A couple, I mean, at one point in time today, the New England Patriots were up 21 to nothing.
21 to nothing.
I swear to God, they were up 14 nothing before you even blinked.
It's like, if the bill's about to lose this game like 50 to 10?
Honestly, at the end of the first quarter, it felt like that.
And I know they got Josh Allen and you can never count them out.
It's easy that after the game.
But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Bill's fan that said 10, 15 minutes into that game.
that you thought you were going to come back to win.
It felt like you were about to get boat raced.
And then Josh Allen happened.
Here's my overall take.
I'm not a big awards guy.
I don't rarely bet those,
even though I dabbled this year.
I mean, because Baker Mayfield thing did look pretty tasty.
It doesn't matter that much to me.
Like, whether Peyton Manning won seven MVP's or four MVPs or Brady or Farve or anything,
like, I know what I saw.
Like, I have a pretty good feat.
feel for when you watch a guy as most fans do.
And there were years when Michael Jordan didn't win the MVP, and other guys did.
But there wasn't a soul alive that thought Michael Jordan was the best player in the NBA, right?
And I think when you watch football, you can give it to Stafford.
And Stafford's has an unreal season.
You could give it to, you know, at one point in time a couple weeks ago, it was like,
Jordan Love could win it.
There is not a soul in the NFL.
I don't think there's a fan in the NFL that would say Josh Allen is not.
the best player currently playing in the league.
He is an unstoppable force.
So whether he wins the MVP or not,
he's the best player in the league.
And we all know it.
It's why I think awards, and listen,
it'd be a, you know, feather on the cap for Stafford to win the MVP.
So now we'd have a Super Bowl, an MVP,
after the shitty years in Detroit,
even though they weren't that shitty because the ultimately got paid like $300
million to lose a lot.
But, you know, as a play,
player, you want to accomplish things as a team and as an individual, and he's going to be given
the opportunity. If they can, you know, play well Thursday night and finish this season strong,
it looks like Matt Stafford's going to win it. Matt Stafford's not better than Josh Allen,
and we all know it. And what Josh Allen did the day, when he flipped that switch, they went
five straight tries, five straight touchdowns. He's making plays with his legs. He's throwing these
dimes. He's keeping plays alive, scrambling to throw it. It was,
it was just fun to watch.
And if I was a Patriot fan,
that thing went from,
we are kicking the you-know-what out of these guys
to when they took the lead late in the fourth quarter,
and then you scored immediately on the Travion Henderson run.
So you're like, maybe it was Destiny.
We're down, four points, and then Henderson hits it,
and we're up three.
And then what happens?
Alan takes you right down the field with a lot of James Cook.
They score again,
And Josh McDaniels, I think you guys ran seven more plays called One Run.
I had a couple people DM me that were like, we were gashing these guys in the run game.
And he just didn't run.
And the one run of those seven plays went for five yards.
And they got really pass happy.
I don't know if Drake just got skittish.
If guys weren't open, obviously it's cold, it's snowing.
Josh is unfazed, but Drake's a young player.
This isn't exactly the, you know, Gronk, Edelman, Randy Moss.
and Troy Brown running around out there.
And it crumbled, and it crumbled on him fast.
I mean, when they went, turned it over on downs late in the game, it was ugly.
It was really, really bad.
So it's just one of those moments where you're like, it's tough, you know.
I mean, the worst case scenario is like the Blue Jays and the World Series.
When you start looking at like your dad, your buddies, just whoever you're watching the game with,
they're like, we're about to win the World Series.
Nothing gets worse than that.
I think they had the lead in the World Series with two hours to go.
Well, that's the worst case scenario.
But you got three quarters of football.
You're killing them, and you're going,
we're going to win the AFC East on December 14th against the bills in Josh Allen.
Do you know how awesome that's going to feel?
And everyone's kind of feeling it.
And there's probably a little cockiness that comes back from, you know,
the decades of watching Brady and Belichick just curbstomp people,
just win this division year after year.
It's like we're back.
And then you weren't back.
And Josh Allen beat you.
Now, I still think the Patriots can win the division, obviously,
just based on math, but it shows you, man.
You just can't count this guy out.
And I would say the same thing for Denver.
When they're down 2314,
and they weren't really playing that bad,
but Jacobs has hit a couple big plays.
And you just thought, listen, like,
this isn't the end of the world.
The Patriots had lost.
so you maintain that number one seed,
but this team's coming off, you know, big win.
It's like, are you just not as good as the Packers?
And then Jordan threw that pick, and then it just flipped.
And like I said, you know, earlier,
I haven't watched every Bo Nix game.
I definitely didn't watch many at Auburn.
Clearly it didn't go well for the majority of it.
You know, a lot of with, in fairness, like I,
the Oregon, the offense was the offense.
and a lot of people gave him shit
for throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage.
He put up great numbers and they were a really good team.
But what he did today is nothing like I've ever seen that guy play football.
That was as good of a game as I would imagine he's ever played.
And when you factor in the opponent,
that's easily the best game of his life.
And he needed it because, like, Denver has a championship defense.
They have a coach who is comfortable being in the playoffs.
There's no questioning.
the head coach running a
playoff team and there's no questioning their defense.
But when your quarterback is not dependable,
things can get weird in the playoffs
because you have a crappy half,
your season can be over.
All of a sudden you throw a pick or a pick six,
you find yourself down 17 to 3,
you just can't get back and you'll lose.
And if he's going to play like that,
that team can win the Super Bowl.
If he plays like that, no one's beating Denver.
If Bo Nix is going to be good, they will be the AFC champions, especially if it has to go through Denver.
There's a reason Denver beat the Patriots so many times in the Belichick era.
There's a reason that Peyton Manning got him, right?
They're very, very difficult team to beat on the road.
Going to mile high, fan base is crazy, it's loud, it's intense, the weather plays a factor,
and you know, you're playing an excellent defense.
So I haven't been sold on Bo Nix, but,
because he hasn't played well.
And he watched him,
he went,
he can't function with this.
If he plays like that,
I mean,
that looked like Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes in his prime.
Like,
that was an elite performance.
For the majority of the game,
he was playing well too,
was when Michael was out there.
And then when Michael went out,
it was truly on like Donkey Kong.
He was,
I don't think he was sack today.
Passes on the run.
Obviously,
just some beautiful,
over-the-shoulder,
deeper balls that he has
missed on a ton to Cortland Sutton.
He made an unreal
scrambled to his right where he split like
these two defenders that were like 10 feet
ahead of them.
It was one of the best passes. He's probably
ever made in his NFL career when he was
talk about touch. But he was
brilliant today. He really was.
I saw some backer fans on the internet.
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come down and just throw him a bone for
some of his earlier performances? Because
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that was awesome. It looks like the Patriots
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A couple other quick things.
Story today about the Bengals.
I mean, I didn't follow the weather hour by hour over the last couple days in Cincinnati, Ohio.
But I guess there's a league rule.
Mike Florio pointed out that if it snows,
the team has to remove snow from the seats for the fans, right?
You just, you pay a crew and they come.
I don't know exactly what they do, knock it off.
It's not like they're carrying it out of the stadium.
They're just knocking it off and clearing the seats.
The Bengals do not do that.
They paid nobody to do anything,
and the seats were covered with snow,
which is a league violation.
Now, the Bengals push back.
It wasn't as bad,
but I think it's a clear reflection
that everyone thinks their owner is the cheapest human alive.
And I've said forever,
I think when you are,
really, really wealthy and you're still really cheap. It's a disease. It's no different than we could
list a million diseases. It is a disease. You do not shake that. I mean, there are a notorious
story still about like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan being cheap. It's like, you guys are
billionaires, but you don't shake it. It's something you carry with you your entire life.
We all know people, maybe not billionaires, but people that do well successfully or, you know,
successfully financially, and just will not pull out their money.
wallet. And I truly believe it's a disease. And Mike Brown has it. Like Mike, whether you like it or not,
you're a billionaire now. Your team's worth billions of dollars. Your team generates just from the
media deal, $450 million a year. Your, your team's payroll is not even, you know, it's like half that.
So when we know you ain't paying many executives because it's all your family running it. So I just
think it's pretty embarrassing, and then his team got embarrassed.
And Lamar showed him some signs of life.
For the first time, it felt like in a month, it was like, okay, this is kind of Lamar Jackson
that we all know and love.
And we'll see tomorrow with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but, you know, the Ravens team, the last
couple weeks has just been terrible, partly because Lamar has not played well, he did
look a lot better today.
Made some beautiful deep passes, his day flowers a couple times.
When their passing game gets going, it opened.
it up for Derek Henry who started running around like he's a freaking thoroughbred when that
gate opens and he starts kind of galloping and those tries are covering like eight yards per
every two steps you're like holy shit this guy's a monster so uh watch out for the ravens a couple
other quick things should door sanders was obviously not good the day and i think the problem
for him is the browns you know there are so many bad teams
teams, they're not guaranteed to have the number one pick. I mean, technically right now,
they're like the fifth or sixth pick. There are going to be a couple teams like the Giants,
like the Titans who are not going to take quarterbacks. Obviously, the Raiders would take a
quarterback. But the Browns don't necessarily control their own destiny of getting a quarterback,
but they do have a couple picks. Now that Jack's pick will probably be somewhere in the 20s.
But they do have that as ammo to move up a little bit if the, you know, if the Giants or
whoever want to move back. But you have days like today, it is,
Now, one of his interceptions was not his fault.
It literally went right through Jerry Judy's stomach,
and Jalen Johnson just grabbed it and picked it off in the end zone.
But the other two picks were atrocious,
and obviously the team's terrible.
I just think it's going to be very, very difficult for him
to show enough whether this regime stays or is gone and new people come in,
for them not to be extremely aggressive to try to get.
Now, Fernando Mendoza is the only quarterback
that comes out and the Raiders have the number one overall pick,
it will be a moot point because they will just draft the kid.
And if Dante Moore goes back to school, we saw Sellers went back to school.
With NIL, a lot of these quarterbacks go back to school,
and you just kind of roll back with Gabriel Shador,
and that's kind of your quarterback room with Deshaun Watson, I guess, coming back,
and you just kind of roll it over.
But that just shows you this team is really, really bad.
I mean, that was the bear.
Clown them today. They embarrassed him. And I think one of Shador's problems is,
is, and we talk about getting rid of the ball, and it was a knock on him in college.
Well, in the Big 12, not many good defense is the Big 12. You know, in the NFL,
Shadour is athletically, is much closer to like a Kirk Cousins than he is to like a Bo Nix.
He's not a runaround guy. He is a pocket quarterback. You have to get rid of the ball quickly.
When you try to run around scramble, that is not going to work out.
well when you have your skill set.
He didn't get his father's athletic ability.
Clearly he got his mom's.
I think they've even joked about it as a family.
But when you're going to throw a bunch of interceptions down the stretch,
your team keeps losing,
you're just not like next year's in major question.
Because if they do draft a quarterback really high,
are they going to keep Shador Sanders at the backup?
Now, typically, with a fifth round pick,
you'd like, yeah, just keep him around,
and he'll just compete for the backup job with someone else.
but Shador is so much more
they could draft Fernando Mendoza
Shadora is more famous than Fernando Mendoza
which is just
a reality and he's definitely
a bigger talking point
and it's just one of those situations that like
this thing could just get weird
and it can get weird fast and you can kind of feel
it coming if there are games like
today are going to keep happening these last
couple games of the season
and last but not least
you know sometimes and listen I've never been in my mid
70s but I've also never been worth
the $100 million and probably more.
And I think when you look back at P. Carroll,
he was forced out of Seattle and he's a prideful guy.
He didn't want to quit.
And he didn't have a choice.
The problem is, is when he was forced out,
he refused to wave the white flag.
He was desperate to do whatever it took to get back involved.
Now, the problem was,
is that his options basically didn't exist.
Teams didn't want them.
until one team was pretty desperate,
didn't have any other options to hire a coach,
and they hired Pete Carroll.
Turns out as the Raiders.
And Pete Carroll is adamant,
and every time I see him talk,
he's like, all I've ever done is win,
all I do is win.
The problem is now you're just losing.
And you had a team that didn't even get 100 yards of offense today.
And I, you know, typically like Willie Mays on the Mets,
you know, some of these famous players that, and I'm not comparing,
I wouldn't compare Pete Carroll quite to Willie Mays, but you know what I mean.
You know, if LeBron next year finishes career like the Atlanta Hawks or whatever,
sometimes things happen and you just forget about him with time.
And it is true.
Like this season is not going to define Pete Carroll's career by any means.
Super Bowl champ, he's a national champion.
He's coached and drafted Hall of Fame players.
Heisman trophy winning players,
legend.
But it's over.
And this is a guy that should have just
rode off in the sunset.
Been a rich guy, enjoyed himself
in Southern California, maybe taught a class at USC,
hung out by the beach,
maybe done some TV for Fox in studio
if he needed to get his football pitch on.
But he was adamant.
Like, I have to coach.
And it shows you, which I do respect.
And I would put Belichick.
It's, you know,
Belichick's, it feels like a little more scandalous with the Jordan Hudson thing.
But like these guys just couldn't tap out.
They just refused to go.
And sometimes you just got to go.
And he didn't.
Oh, I also wanted to hit on one more thing.
Philip Rivers, he cried after the game.
I actually think he gave a really good message that he basically admitted that he was a little nervous
and questioned, like, was a little scared.
Like, what was it going to look like?
And my first, you know, reaction was it actually was way better than I thought.
And there was this picture of him before the game where he probably looked, my guess is he weighs 265, 270 pounds.
I mean, Philips, a enormous guy.
Like 270 pounds on him actually isn't that big.
But it's definitely way bigger than he used to be.
He's never moved great.
His arms, you know, it was never great either, but probably not as good as it was 10 years ago.
but it's functional, I guess.
And he went out there and tried.
And I think a lot of people in his position were like,
I'm not going to go out there and embarrass myself.
Because the easiest thing is to go,
take the worst case scenario.
And that's not what he did.
And he's teary-eyed after the game.
I think because he's like, this was,
I bet he didn't sleep this much or much this week, right?
Anticipating this, his brother's there, his son's there.
And the video of his team in Fair Hope, Alabama, watching the game cheering for him,
he throws the touchdown, he gives a big fist pump.
He was basically Dinkin and Duncan all game.
I also think a huge part of signing him and playing him was trying to give life to the team.
Like a huge part of being a head coach or a GM when you hear like,
you've got to know your locker room and know how the players are thinking or responding.
They had to be teetering on just all quitting.
Because once Daniel Jones goes out,
Anthony Richardson is injured,
Riley Leonard's also injured.
It's like, what do we even do?
What was this all for?
And Philip Rivers,
I think a lot of people,
including myself, kind of laughed at it.
I mean, it was insane.
They signed a 44-year-old high school coach
who hadn't played in the NFL in five years.
But I felt like a couple quarters in,
every single quarterback,
former quarterback,
whether at college or definitely in the NFL in their 40s and their 50s,
were watching that game and had a little smile.
And part of them had to be like, could I still do that?
Could I still throw a couple first downs?
I mean, there was that viral video of Vinnie Testiverty with John Gruden getting down,
doing the hard count, and you could just see it in his eyes as he went on and on.
It's like, God, Vinny, if you needed a third and eight, Vinny thinks it deep down in his mind he can give it to you.
And Philip even mentioned it after the third.
the game when they said, what was it like to get hit? He's like, honestly, I wanted to get hit.
I told my wife a couple years ago, one thing I miss is releasing the ball and getting blasted
by a defensive lineman. My wife's like, you're sick. And he's like, I know I am. Part of it is
it doesn't hurt as much. I mean, he's, Philip Rivers is exactly Bryce Young. I mean, he is a
massive human being. I just thought that was a cool moment. It was cool. They kicked that 60-yard
field goal. Now, part of it at the end of games now, when you leave a team,
40, 50, 60 seconds, even if they don't have timeouts with this new kickoff rule is you're going to get
the ball at minimum at the 30 and a lot of times are like the 40. So you're just like one big
completion away from kicking a game winning field goal, which is exactly what happened. And last
but not least, Monday night football, I'm taking the Miami Dolphins, plus three on the road,
freezing conditions, partly because they don't need two at a throw.
They have been winning without them.
Run the ball.
Why I also like A. Chan, multiple touchdowns.
I'm going the Dolphins plus three.
I'm going A. Chan, multiple touchdowns.
And the fighting Mike McDaniels potentially get back to 7 and 7 be one of the great
stories in the NFL.
Adios. See you later.
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If we didn't talk ever again, I was part of you. You just understood.
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Wow.
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