The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Dak Prescott & Dallas Cowboys huge COMEBACK vs. Pittsburgh, Overrated or Underrated

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

John breaks down another exciting Sunday Night Football matchup, this time with Dak Prescott, CeeDee Lamb and the Dallas Cowboys defeating Justin Fields’ red-hot Pittsburgh Steelers, 20-17. Followin...g a “signature” late game Cowboys dub, which included an exciting score with little time remaining, John celebrates the 4th quarter comeback and explains why despite a win Dallas could struggle to be a playoff contender due to their offensive woes. John dives into Dak Prescott’s turnover struggles and breaks down how the Cowboys QB1 stepped up late to help Head Coach Mike McCarthy and co. capture a much-needed victory. After, Middlekauff goes off on Justin Fields and the quarterback disparity between Pittsburgh and Dallas. Finally, another edition of overrated/underrated including the New York Jets and Aaron Rodgers losing a tough game against Justin Jefferson’s Minnesota Vikings and the reigning MVP Lamar Jackson’s Baltimore Ravens taking down Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals in overtime. 7:17 - Sunday Night Football Reaction 24:58 - Overrated or Underrated Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:58 wins the game on fourth down. What a moment for the Cowboys. What a moment for McCarthy and Dak. Even Jerry, who Stephen went in for the hug, and it looked like Jerry might have a heart attack or something. Rough night for Pittsburgh. I'm sorry, you get that many, create that many turnovers. T.J. Watts dominating at that level.
Starting point is 00:05:18 You got to win that game. So we'll dive into that. We'll do a little overrated, underrated on just some things that happened today and yesterday that I want to touch on. Because a lot of crazy stuff happened. I mean, Alabama lost up Vanderbilt. So, and obviously some other crazy stuff. I mean, the 49ers lost the Arizona Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:05:40 The Giants and Daniel Jones kind of looked really good on the road in Seattle. So the Bengals are 1 and 4. And they went to overtime in a game where they scored 38 points in regulation. I mean, how often does that happen? Can't be often. not in the NFL, not in the AFC North. So we'll do a little overrated, underrated. We'll have a podcast
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Starting point is 00:07:56 guaranteed. You know what it is always guaranteed when you watch the Cowboys? Dak is one of the more bizarre players I think I've ever watched because no guy
Starting point is 00:08:10 can throw worse picks right, he does that consistently, he's done in big moments and then no guy can lead his team on the road undermanned, they got no running game,
Starting point is 00:08:22 he's got offensive line injuries, hell, the best offensive line men he's probably ever played with, or one of them, has literally never got a cramp in his entire life, starts getting attacked with cramps, leads him 15 plays, 70 yards, touchdown on fourth down.
Starting point is 00:08:38 The same guy that threw an awful red zone pick. His interception later in the game on the deep ball to Joey Porter Jr. wasn't even close. Like, in a vacuum, he can have these plays. You're like, is that Deshawn Watson? and then he can lead a drive. You're like, is that Patrick Mahomes? That's where I think it's so maddening, right?
Starting point is 00:09:02 It's like, listen, there's value in everything he's done and what he brings to the Cowboys, character-wise, intangible wise, his regular season record speaks for itself. Him and the head coach have clearly a fantastic relationship, right? Mike's Pittsburgh guy, they show it on the broadcast that they went, I don't know if it's like his the home he grew up in, just go see family, and who's there? Two guys, Cooper Rush and Dak Prescott.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Guess Trey Lance, not on that group text, but there's so much that he brings to the table. And then there are moments, like I went to dinner. We got delayed. I was hungry. I was like, yeah, let's just go out to dinner. The game's not even starting to like seven. So I basically watched the first half at a steakhouse. And it's on mute, right?
Starting point is 00:09:50 So you're just watching it on the TV in the background. You see Guyton go out. You see a defensive lineman go out. You're like, they're coming in, under man. They got no shot to win this game. None. It's like their defenses and shambles,
Starting point is 00:10:04 and then we'll get into the Steelers here in a minute. You realize like, yeah, Pittsburgh doesn't have the offense to take advantage. I don't care who's out there playing defense for the Cowboys. But Mike and Dak, like, it's not really arguable at this point, have a pretty good chemistry, rapport and thing going. Now, like, I don't blame some of these picks on the coaching staff.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Like, Dak, there's a fucking defender right there who's going to easily undercut it, and he throws it right to him. And he has a tendency of throwing for a good player consistently some of the worst interceptions. And he got very, very lucky that they were playing an offense that they give you two interceptions and a fumble, and you can't win the game. at home, like that's unacceptable. But they couldn't. And they had the opportunity at the end of the game, get the ball back, and
Starting point is 00:11:00 Dak leads him down the field. And tonight, I mean, you saw some semblance of a running game. That Dwight old guy was running pretty hard. But I wouldn't exactly call the Cowboys, you know, the 93 version with Emmett Smith running behind one of the great offensive lines of the history of the league. So they're very dependent on him. They really just got one wide receiver. Cooks is out.
Starting point is 00:11:23 I like Ferguson. But like they're not, you know, Michael Irvin isn't out there with CD. And he can just like his rhythm, his poise, how confident he is when he feels like he knows where he's going to go with the ball and the play works. Because sometimes I think he gets stuck on a route. And listen to a lot of quarterbacks, he's not alone.
Starting point is 00:11:48 But I think one thing that makes like the ball, Brady's and the Peyton's and not this version of Aaron, but like Aaron in his heyday, is obviously they know where they want to go with the football, but if they see something that freaks them out, they will turn to someone else in a millisecond and get rid of that ball. I think sometimes Dak has like basically got to the line and he already knows where he's going with that ball regardless of what you're doing. He's pretty confident it's going to work. And then sometimes there's just a DB sitting right there and Dak hits him in the hands.
Starting point is 00:12:18 but I like I have moments where you're watching them on that final drive and I've come along I've come around on DAC like I'm a fan but that that was really impressive that was fun to watch I was in a weird way I didn't have money on this game
Starting point is 00:12:34 I don't really care about either one of these teams in the sense of like rooting for one to lose or one to win I did think it would be a pretty cool moment if Dak let him on a game winning drive for Mike and obviously the cameras immediately when he throws a touchdown go to McCarthy and he's getting bear hugged by like seven different guys.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Like that's no dummy. He knows what it means for the head coach to do that in Pittsburgh. Then you got Mike Tomlin calling a timeout at, you know, on the fourth down. I was like, bro, you, if they score here, you're going to need that time out. You probably want to keep that thing in your back pocket. But yeah, man, that was a big, big time drive for a team with a million injuries that has so much money in street clothes right now. And their quarterback just came through. and their coach.
Starting point is 00:13:19 And like I said, you can't really debate where we sit now. This marriage between those two guys, if the most important guy you have on your team is the guy you're paying the most money by a country mile, Dak Prescott, and that guy works hand in hand with your head coach, who's also your offensive play caller, and they work well together,
Starting point is 00:13:41 you're going to fire that guy? That's where I keep getting back to, like the Siriani thing, we always get back to what does Seriani do? Salah. It's like, well, he's a defensive guy, tough guy. Okay, but he's not actually calling the defense. This year, Brian Daibald. Daniel Jones is playing well.
Starting point is 00:14:01 It's like, what's Brian Daibald doing? Oh, he's calling the place. He is the offensive coordinator. And if you would have told me a couple years ago, hey, Mike, they're going to, you know, force Kellen out, he's going to take over. How would it go? Obviously, I wouldn't say it's going to be terrible.
Starting point is 00:14:18 not like Mike's Nat Hackett. But I probably would have said in 2024 or 23 and 24, if you would have said what the next year and a half is going to look like, yeah, probably could be a little rocky. And it's been really good. And they've come through in big time moments.
Starting point is 00:14:34 So, props to the Cowboys for getting a gritty win. To me, when you look at the Steelers. One, it's funny because whenever these two teams, they don't play that often. But when they're synonymous with this T.J. Watt draft pick because the Cowboys took Taco Charlton, who was like out of the league, like
Starting point is 00:14:53 three or four years later, over T.J. Watt, they drafted, and he's a defensive end at 28, and T.J. goes 30. And I just texted, like, people that, a couple executives a night after T.J. looks like, I don't know, like the white guy version of Lawrence Taylor. It's like, this guy, this guy's fucking unblock. What are you supposed to do? Tide ends, gets tossed. tackles have no chance. It's not like he's just speed. He's got power. He's got these like counter under moves.
Starting point is 00:15:23 And if you don't set really, really fast, he's on the edge so quick that you're screwed. This guy doesn't even, his brother, to me, was obviously pretty special, a Hall of Fame level talent. But power was such a big part of this, JJ's game.
Starting point is 00:15:41 T.J. has like the ultimate combo. I'm not saying he's JJ or Khalil Mac Power. but his speed is so potent that these offensive linemen always feel kind of on their heels and then he can throttle him and it's just chaos, whatever 90 is. So I'm texting my scouting buddies and I go, how, what was the deal here? And they're like, honestly, he just wasn't that good in college. And I think this is why the draft is so hard. Then I did a little my own research, Wikipedia, and looked around on the internet.
Starting point is 00:16:16 he basically was a one-year one during college. And his senior year, it might have been his true, you know, registered junior year, I'm not exactly sure how it lined up. He had 11 and a half sacks. So he had a good year. But as multiple people text me, he looked nothing like this. And this is why it's like, well, if we could redo the draft, he would go on. I think there were a lot of people that thought the Steelers were a little crazy for taking him at 30.
Starting point is 00:16:42 But then doing a little more research on him, he was a tight end early on in college and didn't play, was always injured. And then when they asked him to go to defensive end, he was also injured. So he didn't start playing the position till 2016 when he wasn't very good or productive. And then his last year there, or it might have been 15 and 16, whatever his last year at Wisconsin was, he was productive, but like from an NFL trade standpoint, what I was being. told it's like he was not as explosive. He definitely was not the motor.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Like him and Crosby, their batteries never run out. And sometimes you're a late bloomer. And this guy just hadn't really played the position. So you make the, and this is where in the draft, everyone's like, these guys are idiots. How do you miss this? It is hard.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It is hard. Because you could crush the Cowboys for not taking them at 28. How many teams, 27 and above? easily passed on this guy. So I think sometimes when guys get to the NFL, just like human beings, you may know a guy that you went to college with and go, wait, what's he doing now? Oh yeah, he's a multimillionaire. Wait, that guy?
Starting point is 00:18:00 The dude that never did shit, slept all day, smoked weed and partied all the time. Probably should have failed out of class like seven times. Like, yeah, kind of clicked. And sometimes as an athlete, now, clearly you have to have. certain physical attributes, but you get with the right coach, you get in the right scheme, maybe you grow into your body a little bit more. And in his, you know, using TJ as an example, like he hadn't been, it's not like he was a lifetime pass rusher.
Starting point is 00:18:31 He was focused on tight end in college. And this is not high school where you're like cross training. You're just playing offense. Clearly it's the best thing that ever happened to him. And it's just something that, you know, it's. If the Cowboys had drafted him, would he be this good? Who knows? Because he does, he feels like a stealer.
Starting point is 00:18:50 He really does. And their defense, I mean, the pass rush, the DBs, I mean, they were pretty worn down by the end. But the offense is a problem. It really is. And Fields is clearly better. Like, the version I'm watching right now is better than the guy that we saw with the Bears. But he's still a pretty flawed player. Like, he's not someone that you can just rely on.
Starting point is 00:19:12 You watch DAC play quarterback and you watch Fields play quarterback, like there is a large, large fucking gap in terms of playing pocket quarterback. Now Fields' movement ability, he's actually a pretty good thrower. On the run, he made some big plays at night, scrambling to his right outside the tackle, throwing back across the body, does have a good arm. He does feel a little more under control when he's doing that with Pittsburgh than he did in Chicago. but it is pretty difficult to play like that as offensive players. I mean, he threw for 138 yards tonight.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Their offense in general, I mean, they ran for 92 and threw for a, and threw for 140 because fields had to come out on the one play where he got throttled, which I got news for you is not a personal foul. It's just called a hard hit. The guy's helmet didn't touch him. He just hit him in the chest. Last time I checked, that's called football. I think sometimes we're throwing some of these penalties,
Starting point is 00:20:14 like fields is just running around recklessly. I used to complain about this with Gardner Minchu last year in Indy when they would get personal foul calls on bad throws because guys would get lit up on a hospital ball. Like, you should not get bailed out and force the opponent to get penalized because you do stupid stuff. Because you are playing poor.
Starting point is 00:20:38 It's ridiculous. It really drives me nuts. Tonight, 91, when he hit Fields, it's like, well, the crown of the helmet right up to his chin. No, there was a gap. Never touched. Just because it looked that way? Just because it looked that way? Well, if it actually wasn't that way, then it shouldn't be a penalty.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Just be a hard hit. There are going to be violent hits in football. Not every. And I'm all for ultimately protecting quarterbacks. We don't want quarterbacks to get injured, but this still is football. And when you get guys running around, like Fields, who's just a run around guy, every time he gets tackled or hit hard, and even if he gets elevated and flies to the ground, like, it's not automatically a penalty.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I thought that was egregious tonight. I really did. That penalty was ridiculous. Well, he launched. He's playing football. You have to use your hips into a guy. You don't tackle a guy on the ball. balls of your feet.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So it's just, he didn't, he just, he accelerated through. It's like basic tackling. They teach you in peewee football, if that even still exists. Definitely teach you in high school and college. So I just, Pittsburgh's going to be tough because of those pass rushers and the defense and just kind of their toughness. But their offense, I mean, that they have been playing in these games that
Starting point is 00:22:02 if you get, if they were to get into a position where you're playing Baltimore are Cincinnati and those offenses, not even looking exactly like today, but are just are going to score 25 to 28 points. Like, how's Pittsburgh going to win those games? How are they going to win those games? Like, it just feels very, very difficult for them to move the ball.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And it's not like, well, they only had so many possessions tonight, gave them three extra possessions, three extra possessions. They scored 17 points. And one touchdown, right? The last touchdown for the Steelers in the fourth quarter came on essentially, I guess there was one true last drive with like 20 seconds. But if you remove that, the Steelers scored and then Dak let them on a touchdown drive.
Starting point is 00:22:54 So one of their touchdowns came with like, I don't know, five minutes left to go in the game. So they had 10 points with whatever, five minutes to go in the game. That's not good. Yeah, they had, so they had, when DAC throws the pick and then Fields leads them on a touchdown drive, they had 10 points with, yeah, about 456. So at the five-minute mark, Steelers had 10, 10 points on the board. Just not going to get it done. But fun game, delayed, crazy moment, nice win for McCarthy.
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Starting point is 00:27:54 It's got some takes I want to throw it out there. Because, God, I just, there's just, I just watched so much football today. I think this has to be a record. Because I told Coward this, I usually, I ain't waking up at 6.30 for most of these London games. And for the most part, it's like Jacksonville, Houston, not the pre-CJ. round. Last year was like indie Gardner Minchew against the Patriots. Games that for the most part, unless you're a fan of that team, no one's really paying attention to. Terrible games are not leading any of the things that I do and can easily not be discussed. But today it's like, well, the Jets.
Starting point is 00:28:40 And if Aaron Rogers didn't exist or he was still in the Packers and was Zach Wilson, it obviously wouldn't have mattered as much. But I was like, I kind of got to watch these Aaron Rogers games. And I like, I enjoy watching Aaron Rock because I think there's. such a story there. So I had a pretty long day of getting after it, let's just say, on Saturday. We had a few and then we had a few more. And I think I've slept about, got after a pretty good Friday too. Sometimes you just got to put on your booze and shoes and do a little throwback to your early 20s, even though you're, you know, approaching AKA 40 now. So you just got to rock and roll. in about six, seven hours sleep, and you just watch football.
Starting point is 00:29:20 So it's no one's going to feel bad that I watch football for a living. No one does. I'm not asking for any sympathy. But, God, those 630 games. That's my only issue with the London game is the kickoff. Okay, let's start with the overrated. I think last year, and I felt strongly about this, that defense that Baltimore brought to the table was pretty incredible.
Starting point is 00:29:45 You could not run on them. Their linebacking play was unreal. Their coordinator was awesome. And it was going to be hard to sustain that level of play. And then today, somehow they won a game in overtime when the Bengals scored 38 points in regulation. And Joe Burrow threw five touchdowns. And Jamar Chase had a couple touchdowns where it's like, are you guys going to even attempt to tackle this guy.
Starting point is 00:30:17 So when we go to underrated, a lot of people clearly know where I stand on the Josh Lamar debate. You guys know who my horse is in the race. That's Josh Allen. Today is not the day to bring that up if you're me because I'm going to lose that argument every day of the week. Josh Allen played one of the worst games I've ever seen him play. And Lamar was absolutely jaw-dropping.
Starting point is 00:30:44 I was thinking this today watching him play because I don't think the Ravens defense can quite carry them like they did last year because Lamar, while he won the MVP, it was an awful MVP season. To me, his numbers this year, I bet, will end up looking better
Starting point is 00:31:02 than last year's. His numbers, his original MVP year blew last year out of the water. So it was more that he was on the best team. He's the quarterback. He had a good year. just weren't many other options. But the guy that you saw today,
Starting point is 00:31:20 like if he's forced to do that because his defense is just giving up touchdown after touchdown, there are only so many guys in the history of the league that can play like that. The thing I give him a lot of credit for is he's gotten so much better. And this happened three or four years ago. But he improved really, really quickly from within the pocket.
Starting point is 00:31:42 and as a runner, he is so calm when he scrambles around and he does this like Michael Jackson backpedal, like a moonwalk. But he's really good at like a, it's not quite a stiff arm, but he kind of puts, you know, if you're around your dog and it kind of puts its paw on you when you're laying next to him, it's kind of saying hi, but it's also kind of like just keeping you at bay. That's kind of what Lamar does is he just kind of puts his arm out there. Today he had a sweet stiff arm.
Starting point is 00:32:10 But his eyes are up and he's scrambling. rambling back. And he's making, he had a touchdown pass doing that move today that was just like, are you fucking serious? And they had no choice but for him to throw all these touchdowns and run around and make a bunch of plays. Same with Derek Henry. Because their defense was that bad. And they're lucky, you know, the Bengals defense is pretty bad too.
Starting point is 00:32:35 But that game was wildly entertaining. So another thing that is obviously really, really overrated. This is the San Francisco 49ers right now. There's a bad football team. They're not like the Patriots or the Miami Dolphins. I'm not saying they're going to be drafted third overall. But as of today, October 6 at 10.25 p.m. at night,
Starting point is 00:33:01 the 49ers are just not good. And we could argue like what they were going to be this year. Are they like a 1314 win team or are they a 1011 win team? I think we all agree. They're a playoff team. They have lost two divisional games, one to a team, and I got a lot of respect for what Sean McVeigh is doing. He's out there playing offense with me, you, and three other people in Stafford.
Starting point is 00:33:26 And they're just being competitive and hanging around in game. If you gave Zach Taylor or Robert Sala or some of these other coaches around the league, Sean McVeigh's roster that he's rolling out every single week, they would be getting destroyed. There would have already been like 48 to 10, 100%. But you just watch him, like, how's he doing this? Now, he's losing these games, but for him just to be competitive, and they were down 10 against the 49ers,
Starting point is 00:33:55 came stormback, won the game. Today, Arizona is down, what's score? It was 20 to 23 to 10. I mean, the Niners are in complete control. at the end of the first half, in the beginning of the second half. And then it just kind of keeps going. The Niners are under the kicker. Their red zone offense is atrocious.
Starting point is 00:34:19 I mean, they were one for six today, but it honestly didn't even feel like they had that many good looks. You'd be like, well, they're missing Christian McCaffrey. He's been gone. They still got Brandon Ayyuk. They got Debo Samuel. They got George Kittle. They got Joanne Jennings.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Jordan Mason coming into this week is like leading the league in rushing. he can also catch. Obviously, Christian McCaffrey would help, but give me a fucking break. You go into the Red Zone six times with those weapons, with the checks you're cutting for these cats, we need a couple more touchdowns. I mean, one of the big 49ers touchdowns
Starting point is 00:34:50 was literally they blocked a field goal, and Lenore, the DB, picked it up and took it to the house. It's not like their offense score. Bosa got a interception today. And I get it, your kicker gets injured, it throws you off. Like, that's a legitimate excuse. on a given drive.
Starting point is 00:35:08 But over the course of a game, like, I'm sorry, you're playing one of the worst defenses in the league. The Arizona Cardinals, their defense is not good. No pass rush. They can't cover. Everyone that's playing them is lighting them up,
Starting point is 00:35:24 except Sean McVeigh, who's playing with nobody. And you can't, like, score touchdowns in the second half of a game at home when you're leading and put them away? that's an awful loss. That's really, really embarrassing for Kyle.
Starting point is 00:35:40 And Purdy's, one thing Purdy does is the game ended on an interception where clearly they're running some deeper breaking routes and he's kind of hit tap in the ball. But George Kittles opened probably, I don't know, 20 feet away from him that I don't know if it would have been a lock first down, but it would have gained serious yardage. and he's trying to hit the big play, he's trying to hit the big play, and sometimes, and it's a skill, and it works to his advantage that he makes a bunch of plays with his legs, right, and keeps plays alive and then throws. But today he also did some of that and then got destroyed and got a sack. You know who does that all the time now is Deshawn Watson. Now, I'm not comparing purdy to Deshawn Watson,
Starting point is 00:36:26 but I think we got to strike a little balance of like, can we run the offense, can you get rid of the football? Even Tom Brady was like, yeah, sometimes you've got to get rid of the ball. I'd say Tom knows a thing or two about that. And keeping plays alive with your legs. How is Caleb matured in terms of a player these last couple weeks? Why is he playing way better now than he did early on? He's not running around trying to make plays.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Ball snap, a couple steps. Go to where Kyle says to throw it. Pull the trigger. If it's not open, go to your next option. Pull the trigger or just kind of throw the ball away. there has to be some sort of balance because right now the offense and the timing of the passing game is all out of whack
Starting point is 00:37:11 I'm not saying it's all Purdy's fault but like his rhythm and like unwillingness to let it rip now obviously sometimes guys are going to be covered so I'm not acting like you just let it rip if a guy's not open but the runaround thing is becoming a little today it gave me vibe obviously it worked sometimes. Today it started giving me vibes
Starting point is 00:37:34 of the Russell Wilson that Pete Carroll and John Schneider and his offensive line, they're just kind of driving him nuts. It's like, we got to find some middle ground here of doing three-sixths and shit in the pocket and running around and just pulling the trigger and making a pass.
Starting point is 00:37:50 So, Goodwin for Arizona, obviously, who I would say underrated as an athlete is Kyler Murray, who is just me and Colin talked about today. I mean, he's got to be one of the greatest pound for pound athletes in the history of the NFL.
Starting point is 00:38:09 You know, to be that good and that potent. And listen, like, he wouldn't be, I'd pick, there'd be a bunch of quarterbacks in the NFL if you just gave me a draft from scratch that I'd want over him. But I wouldn't love playing him, one. And two, like, I've never argued, like, his physical attributes and when he's on in a game are just pretty special. He had a 50-yard touchdown run. He made an incredible back pedal, fourth down to pick up a big first down to Marvin Harrison when a dude was coming. I mean, most people, the defender would have caught.
Starting point is 00:38:44 But Kyler's so quick, and he bought himself like an extra second and made this great little lollipop throw. That's the thing. He's not just like a power guy, even though he's got a strong arm. He's got touch. He's pretty accurate. He does need to move out of the pocket because he struggles to see. but just a special player to watch. If I still played video games,
Starting point is 00:39:04 I would play with the Cardinals a lot. Overrated. Listen, we mentioned this with Lamar, who if you're a Lamar guy over Josh Allen guy, you're feeling pretty good about yourself right now. Because he kicks his ass last week, this week. Josh played a game that for his standards is just an embarrassment. I mean, it just is.
Starting point is 00:39:28 You know, I bet he feels awful. seen any of his post-game quotes, but like, if it's not saying, like, this is one of the worst games I've ever played, then, you know, I don't know what the hell's going on there. It was a tough watch. He looked all out of whack. He looked all out of sorts. And obviously, the way the game ended with them trying to force the pass instead of just running the ball and play to overtime, Colin and I talked about this and McDermott and the
Starting point is 00:39:53 strategy, listen, clearly if they could do it over again, they would have changed their strategy. I think anyone that watched that game, though, would agree. The bills are 100 percent no lock to win that game in overtime. Honestly, if you told me they went to overtime, I would give it less
Starting point is 00:40:12 than a 50-50 shot they would win the way they were playing. They just were not playing well. And it kind of started with a quarterback who was inaccurate. Now, he had some balls dropped. It's not like, it's not quite as bad as his numbers. I think he was 9 to 30. But relative to
Starting point is 00:40:28 his standards, who's clearly one of the best players in the league, it was a tough watch. It really was. And it also shows you, you know, the Texans had a bunch of injuries. Neil Collins goes out early. They lose Jimmy Ward through the game. They're already missing their running back. It's like, they were beat up. Like they were there to be had.
Starting point is 00:40:45 CJ's throwing, he threw a pick in the fourth quarter. It was a bad pick. He fumbled. And the bills, like the good bills teams, the one that finished hot last year, the team we saw the first couple weeks, they win that game. This version, whatever the hell we've seen the last two weeks, they don't. I was thinking about this today. This is pretty underrated. You know, we get a lot of people that hit me up, they go, can I leave my team? I'm a fan of. We suck so bad. And it's like, Patriot fans, I think we all universally agree. Like, no, you don't get to do that, especially if
Starting point is 00:41:24 you're my age or older. It's like you've lived a pretty good life. If you're like a 33 year old fan, like the last 20 years since you were whatever, 13 years old has been as good as it gets, so you don't get to leave. Now, if you came up to me and said, you know, born and raised, Northern California, my dad, my grandpa, so I became a Raider fan. I'd be like, bro, if you left, nobody, nobody would ever say a thing to you. Everyone that falls a sport, sports would understand. Charles Woodson said today on TV, why can't we have nice things? I don't know. I really don't. It feels like the franchise is cursed. Obviously, the Broncos beat the live in hell out of them. But I'm watching the Packers today. And at no point in that game did I
Starting point is 00:42:12 ever think they were going to lose? Like, it was just one of those games where it was like, Packers are 100% winning this game. And that's what happened. And the final score was actually a little closer because Jordan Love had one of the worst safety pick six touchdown things you'll ever see. But if he just takes a safety, it's 24 to 15, not 24 to 19. But regardless, think how underrated it is being a Packer fan. You just got rid of Aaron Rogers, who was literally better than Brett Farv. See, Brett Farv left. You traded him or however that whole thing played out.
Starting point is 00:42:53 the retirement forever, and you had Roger on the roster, and you make the transition. And it turns out that that guy was even better than Brett Farv, who many people consider one of the great players of all time. Dude won three straight MVP's, and then you upgrade it. Now, Jordan Love's got a long way to go, and I mean a long way to go, before we ever put him in the breadth of those two guys, though he's had like little stretches where you can see it, and he had a throw today, a deep bomb early in the game that looked like when it was in the air. It's like, he's just throwing this ball into triple coverage.
Starting point is 00:43:28 This is going to be picked easily. All of a sudden, it hits his guy in strike. But here's what I know. The Packers are just good. And you know what? I don't know. Might not win 13, 12 games. But they're winning 10 or 11.
Starting point is 00:43:43 They're winning. I think every single year. Every once in a while you have one of these bizarre years, like the year McCarthy got fired. Or even Rogers' last year you guys went like 9. and seven. But it's like, you're just good. You're just always good. Think how underrated it is being a Packer fan that's like 55 years old.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Since the guy was in his teens, it's like, yeah, we've just been winning. And the way you get quarterbacks, you traded a second round pick for Brett Farve, who was on the Atlanta Falcons. You take Aaron Rogers at the end of the first round. Obviously, Jordan Love is a complete project. And it just, you just figure it out. And even sometimes I watch your team, I was like, ah, could they be a little bit better on defense? Yeah, 100%.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Like, do they, when's the last time it felt like, you know, they had a T.J. Watt, Nick Boses, probably since Clay Matthews. And it doesn't really matter. They just figured it out. Hell, they're starting quarterback. Looks like he has a serious knee injury week one. They have to start Malik Willis,
Starting point is 00:44:42 and then they just rattle off a couple of victories. He's like, yeah, we'll just figure it out. Think about being a Raider fan and being a Packer fan. Two, like historic brands in the NFL. One team's like, yeah, we'll just figure it out. we'll probably have a sweet quarterback and we'll be in the playoffs. The other team's like, yeah, we'll probably about seven crazy-ass stories, trade three players and just suck.
Starting point is 00:45:00 But we won't actually get the number one pick or even the number two pick. We'll draft like ninth and probably miss on the pick. So it just, the cycle never ends. It's just crazy how it plays out that way. Couple more overrated. Taking a quarterback in the top five of the draft. Just signed Joe Flacco. Joe Flacko today.
Starting point is 00:45:22 had a 21-year-yard run through multiple just gorgeous touchdowns. I mean, his, he has to have one of the best-looking balls in the air. And again, two years ago, he was on the couch taking his kids to junior high or elementary school, I guess probably not junior high, but, you know, preschool, you name it, like thinking my career is over. Last year leads the Browns to the playoffs. they won't touch them because they don't want to offend one of the worst players, not in the league, we've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:45:58 The version of Deshawn Watson right now, I've seen some advanced stats floating around, like on Twitter, the eye test. We've all been watching football for a long time. That is one of the worst players, like this version of what we're watching, we've ever seen. They didn't even call Joe Flacco because they didn't want to offend the guy. Then he goes to Indy,
Starting point is 00:46:18 and obviously they're going to roll in with Anthony Richardson, like objectively speaking I don't obviously the numbers are going to be on Flacco side but like I test you name it you could you know the coaches will never go on record but if you knew them personally
Starting point is 00:46:31 they're way better with Joe Flacco but today the reason they lost today wasn't no Flacko's fault was their fucking defense is atrocious and it can make even Trevor Lawrence who I'm watching the games like I'd rather have Joe Flacco than Trevor Lawrence obviously not for like the next 10 years
Starting point is 00:46:47 because Joe Flacco is 39 years old so if I was going to take a chance you'd take the younger player but in a one game situation or the rest of this season, like, Joe Flack was just better. Overrated. I got to take the L on this. A lot of you guys have been firing into my DMs about like, you can't. You talk so much about this guy. You never shut up. Where are you at, John? I've sang Kaelin Du Boer's praises. I've sung them from the high heavens. I believed when not many people did. And then he beat Georgia. And I felt pretty good. And I, I gloated pretty good. And I gloated pretty good.
Starting point is 00:47:20 pretty hard. And then he lost to Vanderbilt. Now, you can go glass half full on this. 12 team playoff lost to Vanderbilt doesn't kill him. Honestly, doesn't even phase him. Like, he still can have another loss. He's in the playoffs. But you can't lose to Vanderbilt. You're allowed to come out playing crappy. We have Stucky on. He's like, take Vanderbilt and the points. But you got to find a way to come back to win. Like, if Nick Sabin's the coach, there is no way he loses that game. It might be weird. He might be down at half. But when the dust settles and the clock goes to zero,
Starting point is 00:48:00 no one's rushing the field in Alabama's won the game. And he didn't. That one, that's stunning. But college football now, there's a lot more parity. I'm not trying to bail DeBore out. That's just, that can't happen. His defense was getting smoked. And if you want to, if you want me to do some pushback on DuBore,
Starting point is 00:48:21 it's like he's an offensive guy. Offense is a baby. It's never been an issue wherever he goes, but defense was an issue at Washington, and clearly was an issue late in the game against Georgia, and now is an issue against Vanderbilt, who was just every time I looked up, I was at the Drafking Sportsbook. Guys are just wide open, just running for, you know, explosive plays. Underrated, I do think a little bit like the Packers.
Starting point is 00:48:53 If you're a college football fan and you're an Alabama fan your life has been so good like it's unheard of to have this happen it basically happens to everybody else like everybody else maybe notwithstanding Ohio State but like
Starting point is 00:49:11 Notre Dame two years ago hell this year they lost in northern Illinois Texas go look at their record two years ago when Sark was going like five and seven people lose awful games. It happens. But it just never happened in Nick Sabin. You'd have to go back and people are going to bring up that Louisiana Monroe game.
Starting point is 00:49:32 Like, that's a long time ago. 2004. And that was his first year. Like, he took over a shitty program. Du Boer took over a sweet program. So it also would be pretty underrated if you were at the game for Vanderbilt. It'd be one of those things that you will tell that story the rest of your life. If you're a student and you went to that game,
Starting point is 00:49:54 probably expecting just to get drunk, have a good time, and watch your team get annihilated, and then they win. Like, there had to be a moment in the stands. Like, this is fun, this is cool, this fun. To like third quarter, people start looking around.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Like, could we really do it? Are we going to be part of history here? And then the answer is yes. Okay, last couple things. Overrated? I think sleep. I think one thing now with the conference, Realignment, game day went to Cal, which I wanted to watch, so I got up early on Saturday morning.
Starting point is 00:50:29 That game did not start until 8 o'clock at night, essentially. Pacific standard time. Cal versus Miami. I mean, I was watching that game well into like 1130 last night. And I think these television networks absolutely love this realignment in getting these matchups. super late. It's one thing to have Washington State play cow. It's another thing to be able to throw a Miami, eventually an Ohio State or Michigan, or just a random big team from across the country. So if you like sleep and you like college football slash the NFL, they do not really go hand in hand right now because you get so many of these games that you've got to pay attention to
Starting point is 00:51:15 late into Saturday night. And now the NFL is playing all these London games that kick off at 630. and I would say underrated how much you take for granted when you're young and you can just drink, wake up, work out, eat, drink, do it over again, do it over again,
Starting point is 00:51:36 and your body is just bulletproof. The older you get, you feel like how am I going to do this? Now, luckily, some of us are a little mentally tougher than others, so you just tell yourself we don't have a choice. But I think when, you're young, you don't even realize how good you have it in terms of hangovers,
Starting point is 00:51:57 in terms of energy after boozing. I'm just talking about day boozing. I'm not even talking about like, I ain't going to the club. You know, I'm bed by 1130 at night. But you just, your boy just doesn't have it anymore. I really don't. I just, I can't, I don't rebound like I used to. I used to just wake up and be good.
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