The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Dan Hurley turns down the Lakers, Christian McCaffrey gets an extension, Lions lose an OTA session

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

John discusses how Dan Hurley turning down the Lakers job says a lot about where the Lakers are right now and also how that decision relates to college and NFL head coaches. John also dives into Christian McCaffrey getting an extension with the 49ers and how his relationship with Kyle Shanahan is a match made in heaven, does Dan Campbell need to take a step back with how he coaches, did the Jets get it wrong with Haason Reddick and John's reaction to the Caitlin Clark saga. Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 6:50 - Dan Hurley and the Lakers 21:07 - The 49ers and McCaffrey 32:09 - The Lions and OTA's 33:51 - The Jets and Haason Reddick 36:40 - Caitlin Clark 42:27 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because Dan Hurley turns down the Lakers and I just want to dive into the overall landscape of college sports, professional sports. Is there that big a difference given that the money is so similar now in terms of the two professions? And all you see online is the negativity about college sports. I'd argue they've never had more power

as a college football coach or a college basketball coach. The 49ers last week I didn't get to talk about it, gave McCaffrey a big raise Trent Williams now wants a raise Brandon Iyuk's situation What does it mean for him? So we'll dive into that Lions got in a little trouble

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Download the Game Time app today. Last-minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. I'm a well-documented Lakers hater. They are, it's what makes sports great. You like teams and you hate teams. And I'm a jaded sports fan in the sense of my fandom in my youth is not quite the same. People like, Middokov, you're a 49er fan. It's not the same as it was when I was a kid.

I root for them to win because it's good for business. But when they lose, like, I was very, very happy for Andy Reed. I grew up a diehard San Francisco Giants fan. You couldn't pay me to watch them play right now. I just do not care. I like sports because of what I do now in terms of my fandom for the stories. Like, this is my business. I'm jealous of people of their pure fandom.

That just left me a long time. And sometimes I wish I could get that back. And I have it occasionally, definitely when I gamble. But the Laker story, when Dan Hurley, who's back-to-back national championship, Woj comes out last week that the Lakers are all in on him. He's their number one target. One, it's always a little bit weird in the NBA or the NFL when a story like that comes out and the job's been vacant for 30 plus days. Now, in football, when people interview college coaches, a lot of times it's in early January and you've got to be a little secretive because you're right in the swing of recruiting.

It's just a it's a transitionary time. Some of these teams are still playing in bowl games. It's weird. We're talking, we're in the middle of the summer. So this story always was a little bizarre to me. I never thought he was going to take it, partly because I don't think the Lakers is a great job. Like, Jerry Buss isn't there.

Genie is. And I'm sorry, like, on the ownership scale, NFL NBA, I'd put her near the bottom. Now, the franchise, the brand, it's a big deal. Right? The Lakers, the Cowboys, the Yankees, there are certain brands that are just bigger than others. But when the news came out today, he didn't take the job.

To say the least, I was not shocked. Now, we can read deeper into it. I don't care that much about all the media dynamics, woes for shams and whatever. Clearly, he used this as leverage. He's going to get a pay raise. But forever, college sports was not as good of a job, especially like when I was younger, because you got paid more. money going to the pros. You got paid more money and you could churn your roster. I remember being

at Fresno State and one of the reasons I aspired to get to the NFL. I wasn't making any money at Fresno State and when I got hired in the NFL, I wasn't going to make any money there. I thought how cool it was to be able to, if a guy wasn't playing well enough, you could cut them. You could trade for a guy. You could make constant roster moves 365, right? You had the draft. You had free agency. In college football for a long time, it was, you know, the signing day, that guy was on your roster, unless he got in trouble or whatever. But if he was academically and eligible, you were kind of stuck with him. Well, in modern day college athletics with the transfer portal and with NIL, it is much more closer to professional sports than it ever was. So when you have a

player you don't like or you have a player that you didn't sign in high school and you want to get access to them, it happens all the time. We see constant movement. So when you, over the years, like obviously guys have made the jump. When I was with the Eagles, the first guy Howie and Jeffrey Lurie tried to sign when Andy Reed was fired was Bill O'Brien. Now, he was reluctant to leave Penn State because he had just taken over. It was after Joe Paw. He ended up leaving a year or two later to the Houston Texans, right? And we ended up hiring Chip Kelly, who initially pushed back and said no as well. And if you remember the year before, he had basically accepted the Tampa Bay job and then pulled out. Billy Donovan did something similar with the Orlando Magic before a couple

years later he took the OKC job. So we've seen a lot of college coaches be hesitant. Well, now with the money you're making for years, it was like, when is the Cowboys or when is someone going to sign Lincoln Riley? And he kept saying no. It's like, hey guys, I make eight $10 million, I answer to nobody. There is no one at the school who tells me what to do. And there is definitely no one in the football operations department that tells me who to put on my roster. And once you go to the pros, like you have a GM who has the ear of the owner, who has a lot of influence. You do not have to deal with that in college sports. We just had my buddy, Derek Ray, who is the GM of Florida State.

He doesn't control personnel. Mike Norvelle does. And if you go to the SEC or you go to the Big Ten and you look at their staff rosters, they all have general managers now. Those GMs work for the coach, like the offensive coordinator, the D-line coach, the director of football ops.

No different. Their title's different. They do a different role. But the coach is 100% in charge of the roster. So now with the cash flowing into the SEC and the Big Ten, if you don't think teams have sniffed around on Kirby Smart, you'd be high on sniffing glue. They surely have.

But if you're Kirby Smart and you're making $10, $12, $15 million in the foreseeable future, you answer to nobody. There is no owner at the University of Georgia. The president is surely not telling you what to do. And when it comes to your football program, you are the grand poo ball. You're the owner, you're the GM, and you're the head coach. And that is something you just will never have in pro sports. I don't care how much juice you have.

So the Belichekian days of full control are dead. They do not exist anymore. And they're not going to exist moving forward. What was the big theme of this off season? Owners wanted collaborative approach. That's why Belichick wasn't getting any interviews. People wanted a GM and a coach to all be kumbaya. And we all know that's impossible.

That's never, obviously you need a GM and a coach to work and have a good working relationship. Andy Reed and Brett Veach are more than just colleagues. They're very, very close friends. Same thing with John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan or Les Need and Sean McVeyer. or John Harbaugh and Ozzie and now DeCosta. But when a decision needs to get made, someone has to say yes or no. Everyone else is essentially just making a suggestion.

And that's what you get in college sports. That's what Kirby Smart has. That's what Lane Kiffin has. That's what Dan Hurley has. It's what John Calipari has had for years. Now, we can say he's an overrated coach. He's turned down countless NBA jobs. Because he goes,

I'm already making huge money. and no one tells me what to do. And I do wonder moving forward if it's going to be harder to get these guys to jump because all we hear, and listen, it's in vogue to complain. It's in vogue to write articles

about everyone in college sports bitching and moaned. But these guys have never made more money and while they've always had a lot of power, now they have the mechanisms to clear roster. If you're not good enough, you just leave. I'm talking about the player.

You can't come back anymore. I forget the quarterback for Ohio State last year who started. Well, what happened this offseason? They essentially told them, like, you're not good enough. You're not going to play here. What did you do? Get in the transfer portal. See you.

Adios. Before, that guy just would have been on the team. It would have been weird because for him to transfer, he would have lost a season. Now it's like, he just leaves. He gets to play somewhere else for another team. And it's just kind of rid your hands up. And the other thing in college sports, and I've heard this from my scouting buddies, who go through all these programs with NIL,

these coaches now look at a lot of players much more transactional. Okay, we know you're getting $400,000, you better produce. And if you don't, we're going to tell you you can't play here. And that's just not really the way it worked before. So there are going to be a lot of different angles on this Dan Hurley situation. But I think when you get a great job in college sports in basketball or football, it's not that much different than the pros anymore. It actually has a lot more similarities.

Now, if you want to argue in the pros, you get a guy under contract, that's true. Like, he can't just hit the transfer portal. But we know in football, unless you get huge guaranteed money, I can just cut you at any moment. And that's kind of what's happening in college sports. So not shocked at all to see Dan Hurley turn down this job. I would imagine he's going to get a massive rate. but this notion that like you've got to go to the late you do

I don't think so I don't think so at all now we get into the dynamics of that roster this is not an NBA show but we've seen this happen a lot these college coaches turn down these pro jobs that before probably wouldn't have happened now Colin I watched him today and he's always had this thing

you know don't try to fight happiness like there's no happier on the other side of the fence. And I'm a huge believer in regionality, like where you're from, the culture of it. Now, you could argue in pro sports, we've seen guys from the East Coast come to the West Coast, guys of the West Coast to go to the East Coast. I do believe you're at your best when your personality is with the region in which you coach. And Dan Hurley's a northeast guy.

he's going to move to Southern California, it would have been weird. Now, I'm also a believer that, like, that style won't work or this style will work. I think great coaches, just like anyone great in their field, can adapt and can change and can improve on things that are not working.

Jim Harbaugh is a great example. He's probably one of the more unique, guys who've done both because he's had so much success in college sports, right? Dominated San Diego, resurrected Stanford, and then just won a national championship, Michigan. But he was a 15-year NFL quarterback. So it's like, yeah, he didn't coach all those years in the NFL beside his stint with the 49ers. We spent 15 years playing.

Like, that has to account for something. I love it when people like, I can't believe they just hired Luke McCown or Brunner. Ryan Greasy has no experience. Well, yeah, he was playing in his 20s and 30s. Sitting in those meetings with the quarterback coach, with the offensive coordinator, and with the head coach. It's different. It's not the same daily routine, but it's got to account for something. It's got to equal some sort of transferable knowledge.

So I think Lane Kiffin is a guy that one day could be coaching in the NFL. Lincoln Star has definitely dimmed. I think Kirby Smart is always a guy to keep an eye on. Ryan Day, I don't know, a little soft for me. People like, you're just a hater. Yeah, I kind of am. Like, it's, I like hating some people in sports. That's healthy for, that creates this whole business.

You don't have to like everybody. Look at the PGA tour. Everyone's friends with everyone. Businesses down. Because Liv took all the bad guys. Like, you got to have some guys to root against. And I'm not saying Ryan, day doesn't know what he's doing, he just wouldn't be my first tire. But we've seen Billy O,

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Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The 49ers. I can't remember if it was third. Thursday night or a Wednesday night when the 49ers traded for Christian McAfrey, but I was literally recording my podcast. So I did just an imprompt to sudden reaction. In my first reaction when they traded for him is I said it was reckless and it got old takes exposed all over the place after Christian McAfrey just signed this big extension. And I don't blame, I was obviously wrong,

but my logic, like most people was like, God, you're going to trade for an explain. running back who has been injured, that's kind of crazy. And one thing I learned, now, obviously McCaffrey has been very durable and he's played a lot. Injuries, unlike what kind of slowed him down in Carolina, have not been a problem in San Francisco. But the thing I truly underestimated was, one, he's not a running back, he's a weapon, and two, the fit. some people are just meant to be together. And to me, that's Kyle Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey. They are, if you had football heaven of every coach and player in the history of the sport,

those two would have belonged together. And I saw today that it's the 17th anniversary of the Sopranos final episode. And I'm a huge mob guy. I'm not in the mob, but I just mean, I love all mob movies. I watch a ton of mob documentaries. I'm just, it fascinates me. You should put me something on TV. I won't move if it's mob related.

From the 50s, the 60s to 70s. I was talking to someone the other day about Al Capone. I'm just fascinated by it. And Tony, in my opinion, is the greatest individual television character of my lifetime. Now, I'm sure some of you disagree, but I think universally he would be considered a top two or three character. He's just incredible. And you know the crazy part about that is? James Gandalfini, rest in peace, was like a theater hippie.

He was nothing in real life like Tony Soprano. Yet when you watch that show, you're like, this guy was like, this guy of real life mobster? Like, no, he's like a pot smoking theater guy. He's a hippie. That's what James Gandalfini was in real life outside of the character. but the show, the writing, the character, and him is probably one of the greatest fits in the history of entertainment. It just worked. And to me, that's Christian McCaffrey and Cal Shanahan.

Because since he's been on the team, obviously he's dominated on the ground. We all consider him the best running back currently in the NFL. He's played, I think, 26 regular season games for the 49ers. he has over 2300 yards, ton of touchdowns on the ground, but he has 120 catches, and he has 11 touchdowns receiving. So what he brings to that team,

which is not a high-powered passing attack, they run a lot of screens, they run a lot of quick screens, they run a lot of stuff in the passing game around the line of scrimmage. I was wrong about Christian McCaffrey coming out of college. I thought he was much more destined to be like a slot receiver.

My comp was much more like Julian Edelman or West Walker, obviously wrong there as well. And David Shaw told me and told everyone that would listen. Like, you guys are all morons. This is a dominant inside runner between the tackles. And he's proven to be. But his prowess in the passing game is unmatched. He's elite.

To me, the two best all around running backs of the last 25 years are Marshall Falk and Ladani and Tomlinson. Those two guys were actually ahead of their time because they would have been tailor-made for this modern game because of how dominant they were in the passing game and how versatile of players they were. Like Adrian Peterson is one of the great pure running backs in NFL history. You hand him the ball and at any moment he'd go 70 and go 80,

he can break a couple tackles, he can jump over a guy, you can run over a guy, bad in the passing game. Awful pass protector, which is kind of crazy because of how big the guy was. McCaffrey isn't all around back. And that is, the running back position has been devalued because just running the ball is not as valuable in a passing league. But when you can average five or six catches a game and be a total mismatch in the open field,

like what's the difference of Christian McCaffrey and a wide receiver? And the reality is the only difference is he's cheaper even with the big race because he's going to make $19 million for the next several years. Well, Brandon Ayyuk is currently begging essentially for $30 million a year. I like Brandon Ayuk a lot. He is a winning football player. He's a really good player. But on the 49ers, he'll probably never have more than 80 catches a year.

So are you going to pay $30 million? a year for a guy whose production, while good, last year he had 1,400 yards because he gets a bunch of yards after the catch and he's a great route runner, is never going to be Amin-Ross St. Brown, who I think over the last couple years has averaged over 110 catches a year. So if Brandon A. Yook's getting you 75 and this guy's averaging 110, that's a big gap of the targets. And a huge reason is this is the 49ers philosophical belief on how to play offensive football. They're run by their head coach who's their play caller. And you insert Christian McCaffrey in that. It's perfect. He is the ideal player. And I said it a couple

weeks. I'll promise you this. They will give McCaffrey raise more money before they ever give Brandon Ayuk his contract extension. And that played out. It doesn't mean Brandon Ayup won't get paid. But Christian McCaffrey is more valuable to the 49ers. They pay Debo Samuel. a ton of money a couple years ago because he carried them in 2021 to the NFC championship game. He was remarkable. Well, six months later,

they trade for McCaffrey and it's rendered him not as as important. D'Bow is still very talented, but his flaws now, like, we don't need you to run the ball as much. Why? We got Christian. We need you to be outside and get open.

Well, that's not really his thing. He's like, well, I'm a whiteback. Can I also go on the baseball? backfield, it's like, no, that's where Christian goes. So it's kind of thrown off the flow of some of the way they've allocated their money. And if you look at the three most important players on the 49ers offense, to me it starts with Christian McAfrey. You could argue, too, is Trent Williams.

He's the best left tackle in the National Football League. And Jeremy Fowler, I saw on the old X, as my mother calls it, that there are some rumblings that he might want to raise. If I was him, I'd want to raise two. One, I don't have that much football left in me. I'm 35 years old. We all agree I'm by far the best left tackle in football. And one of the great, most talented left tackles in the history of the game.

And I'm making, what, $1920 million a year? Because if I was in my prime, which I still am, I'm just older. Like, I'm still playing as if I'm in my prime. What am I worth on the open market? $35 million a year? The left tackle market, in a little bit of, a weird way is a little, you know, it hasn't exploded because there hasn't been this influx of great tackles. And as I've said, like the wide receiver market has boomed. Why? Because

there's been a lot of really good wide receivers. The pass rusher market is boom. Why? Because there's been a lot of high-end Hall of Fame level pass rushers. The tackle market hasn't quite kept up because there hasn't been the same level of player at that position. Well, trans like, I'm still there. And I never have a problem with an established. veteran who goes, this number ain't working for me. I'm worth way more. You know it. I know it. We all know it. So if I'm the 49ers, I gladly give him a little raise. And this kind of trickles down to, you don't even hesitate giving Trent Williams a raise. You don't even hesitate given Christian an extension. Now granted, these raises and these extensions aren't near the money in which you'd have to give

Brandon Ayuk. But the complicated part with him just gets back to, Does it make sense to break the bank when I'm never going to play like that as an offensive? I'm Kyle Shanahan. We're never going to rely on you to be Jerry Rice to help, be some of these other guys in the NFL. What Devante Adams was doing with Aaron Rogers, what Justin Jefferson has done since he got to Minnesota, the way C.D. Lamb and they depend on him in Dallas. We're not going to depend on you like that. Yet because of the market, that's what, you know, you say you deserve to be paid.

doesn't make sense for us to allocate the money that way. Like the Eagles, pay their two wide receivers a lot of money. Yeah, they throw it all the time. They are a passing offense. The 49ers, half their passes, it feels like, are around the line of scrimmage. So I just wonder, I don't blame them. Chris McCaffrey, easy decision.

Trent Williams, I'd have him broken off before training camp even starts. The Brandon Ayuk thing, like, I understand if you just kind of want to play it out like hey man I don't know if we go to 30 million I also understand if they pay him he's a really good player we drafted him high character guy we love him on the team he stands for these situations are complicated

not every high end player just makes sense when we start talking about these second contracts on teams like the Tua argument is like is Tua good enough is two a good enough no one can't answer that question because we all kind of know

the answer? Not really. He's not. The market's the market. Well, is he good enough? I know Brandon Ayuk is good enough. I can win with him at the highest level. But like, could I win with someone else in that position for a quarter of the price given the way we play offense? And not every team plays offense the same way. Obviously, the Packers now with this young, explosive passing game, their wide receivers statistically, if they can say healthy, you're going to have great numbers. I have a hard time seeing a 49er wide receiver ever have these just eye-popping numbers that some of these other wide receivers around the league have. A couple other NFL stories.

You always hear this because it's like the low-hanging fruit. The players have no say in the NFL, just constantly getting screwed, which is complete bullshit. They've never made more money. They actually, during the last CBA agreement, had a lot of ass. wanted a lot less practice. That was their prerogative and they got it. It was an easy one for the league. It's like, well, we'll just keep more money. You guys get less practice, but they were pounding the table for that. It's bad negotiations, but that's what they wanted.

One thing that isn't arguable that if you screw around in OTAs, they have some pretty strict rules, right, about pressing, about, obviously you don't tackle because you're in shorts and T-shirt, but it's just about the level of physicality. If you break those rules, these players will turn you in and you will get in trouble. We have seen it happen for years. It happened to John Harbaugh, and it happened a couple weeks ago with the Lions. And now, as of Monday, they had one of their mandatory OTAs stripped away because they will turn you in and you will immediately get in trouble. And that's what happened.

Now, ultimately, it doesn't impact anything. Losing one OTA practice doesn't mean shit. But it just shows you if you're Dan Campbell, no matter how much you and your players love each other, when you start pushing. in the envelope, all these guys know guys on other teams. So if I had to take an educated guess, one thing that happened is like, are you guys doing this? Is this happening at your practice?

And they're like, no, we're walking through. This thing's a country club. Someone in the lines like, yeah, this thing's getting a little too physical. Boom. Go to the NFLPA rep, league office. Nailed. The Jets. They traded Howie Roseman for Hassan Reddick.

who the Eagles obviously moved off of when they signed Huff from the Jets to replace him because he wanted a new contract. And the Eagles had zero desire to give him that new contract, that they weren't going to do it, despite him being one of their better players over the last couple years. So the Jets go, hey, we'll take them. One thing I always laugh at is if you want to trade for Brandon Ayuk right now, there were rumors, I think Mike Lombardi put it out,

that the Pittsburgh Steelers almost traded for Brandon Ayyuk during the draft. Well, if they traded for him, if they didn't give him an extension immediately, they would have the same situation on their hands that the 49ers do. So when you trade for a player who wants a new contract, we saw it years ago with the Bears when they traded all those picks for Khalil Mack. Well, what happened? They immediately gave him an extension. the reason he was available

was because of the contract. So when the Jets trade for Hassan Reddick, they didn't just trade for a player. It's like, ah, what a gem by the Jets. How did they get him? Because he wants more money. And then the report's all spring as no one's talked to him.

He hasn't shown up at all. Well, of course not. You traded for a player who wanted more money and you didn't immediately give him more money. So why do you think someone else's problem won't be your problem? And I just don't think this thing is going away until the Jets give him either a contract extension, a contract raise, whatever makes him happy. But the reason he was unhappy wasn't because like, I don't really like South Philly. Not a big cheese steak guy.

Bryce Harper, not doing it for me. It was because of money. So now the Jets find themselves in the same situation that the Eagles were literally in four or five months ago. But they just got to unload their problem to the Jets. Now the Jets have this problem that they knew existed. So kind of a bizarre looking trade given that there has been no contract.

Like I don't quite know what the end game was here for Joe Douglas and the Jets if they weren't willing to give him either the contract extension or more guaranteed money or whatever he is specifically looking for. But we know for a fact he was specifically looking for something. So Jets being the Jets, man. And last but not least, this Caitlin Clark is just a content machine. Was it Saturday morning? You know, wake up, still kind of struggling.

check my phone, watching Scotty Schaeffler storm his way to another victory, and see Caitlin Clark left off the Olympic team. The Olympics are this summer in Paris. And a lot of people were outraged and shocked. To me, it's the least shocking thing probably in American history. Because if you run a business and you are subsidized in that business, and it's never on you to be successful in terms of turning a profit, how many people, watch is irrelevant.

Why would you ever factor that in? It's like, how is anyone ever shocked with the government's incompetence? They're just spending money that isn't theirs. So when they constantly screw up locally on the state level, on the federal level, like, we have a long history of this now. Most of these people didn't work in the private sector, have a bunch of success, and then you go work in government. They've just been lifetime government officials or employees or, you know, bureaucrats.

The people in the WNBA who are having and just struggling with the situation of her popularity, the influx of new viewership, the influx of potential new cash. Yeah, they're overwhelmed by it because they never had to deal with it before or understand it. So, yes, this is a stupid decision. but I expect people that have never successfully operated to make dumb decisions. It doesn't make any sense. Why would you want more people to watch if it never actually mattered how many people watched to make the amount of money you were making?

Because before, no one ever cared who was on this roster. No one ever gave a shit besides people associated either with those, you know, with the individual players or around the WNBA. But we weren't watching women's Olympic basketball, right? They weren't, the star power wasn't there. We're in the NBA the moment star players wanted in, like if Kobe wanted in, if LeBron wanted in, if Steph wanted in, whatever. They were automatically on the team, just part of the deal.

Why? Because people associated with men's basketball knows the. power of marketing of making money. That's the business they're in. WNBA's never fucking turned a profit in almost three decades. Never had to because the NBA had their back. So when I see the incompetence of this situation, how is anyone shocked? Obviously, there are personal agendas, there's envy toward her. Anyone listening to this in any of the businesses we're in, if someone comes into the company we're working for, in the business we own

if you're a sales guy and someone presents you with an opportunity that is going to generate you a lot more money we all have the same reaction well what do we need to do to make this happen right because that's the world we live it but that's not the world these people running this women's basketball

deal with marketing the power of eyeballs has been irrelevant their entire run as an industry. So yeah, when they left her off the team because they're jealous of her, because they hate her popularity, whatever, like, that's the way they've always kind of thought about it. Where the NBA has been the opposite.

Even when they brought on guys like, I don't know if Alan Iverson's a great fit for this team, but what are we going to do? Not have Alan Iverson on the team? That's who fucking people want to watch. So I just think it sucks. I mean, I won't watch a dribble, and most people won't either. But yeah, this is part for the course with this operation. A win is a win.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Middilkopf mailbag. Very, very easy to get involved at John Middilkoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle. Fire in. A lot like Andrew did. First time listener. Longtime poster. Your take on Oklahoma, Lincoln makes sense.

Obviously comparing Texas might be sore, but look who they have scheduled as opponents in the past few years. Even Texas played Notre Dame in 2016 with Charlie Strong. It's just weird. And where there is smoke, there is fire. Okay. If you read this far, I have two actual questions. In the last two years, Belichick was the coach GM of the Patriots.

They seemed down and out. I know tanking isn't a thing in the NFL, but part of me thought maybe Bill was set them for a higher draft pick. But of course, he was fired, which made me think, okay, so he was trying to win the whole time. But he struggled. So which is it? Is he good coach or is he washed? Well, agree on the, all these teams are playing people. LSU and Florida State played back-to-back years. Oregon was supposed to play Michigan. Washington was supposed to play Ohio State before they even got into the conferences. It was canceled because of the COVID years. But everyone's playing everybody now. Like no more excuses. No more hiding, no more running.

Every coach is trying to win the NFL. When you lose, it's usually one of two things. One, the roster sucks, or two, your quarterback situation is a disaster. Or roster sucks slash you make some bad coordinator hires slash the quarterback position. I think two, Bill falls under those two categories. What he did with Patricia and Joe Judge, is obviously something he'd like to have back. There's no disputing that. That was, it was a low point of his storied career. Happened to Andy Reed.

He made Juan Castile when I was with the Eagles, the defensive coordinator. Obviously, he would like to have that one back. Sometimes you make a move, maybe a little outside the box, that deep in your soul you believe can work, and then it's a disaster. I would say the Patricia Joe Judge thing was crazier because at the time we had hired Jim Washburn, Todd Bowles was on the staff. I think we thought that we could help him out.

Clearly backfired and was a disaster. The difference is with Belichick, it's like you had a second year quarterback. And then by the third year, Mack Jones was a shot fighter. one, he's not good enough to overcome dysfunction. He's not talented enough to uplift average talent around him, bad offensive line play. I think here's one thing with Bill.

He was always very, very hesitant to hire outside. Right? His coordinators were always guys that worked their way up. From Josh McDaniels to Patricia, to Brian Flores, he liked getting you on the ground floor, creating you, and then influencing the way you coached. And then if you became Josh or Flores or one of those guys,

I'm not saying he didn't give you the ability to call the game, but you were calling the game through his eyes because he had taught you everything. And I think he ran out of those guys. You know, Dante Scarnaccia was one of his right-hand men. Well, when that guy retired, what happened to their offensive line play? It kind of disintegrated. Well, when you look at Andy Reed, what he has done in Kansas City,

here it outside the box a little bit. He didn't know Eric B. N. Me when he originally hired him. David Tob, it's not like they had worked together with the Eagles. You know, you have to be, he's hired guys from college who immediately become position coaches. You got to be willing to do that. Now, when you're comfortable with a coach, it helps. Just because hiring outside doesn't guarantee you anything. Like Kyle Shanahan was Steve Wilkes.

But I think Belichick was, he missed on the quarterback, wasn't good enough. So did everyone in that draft except Jacksonville. And that's still up for debate moving forward. And the coaching hires were a debacle. And then obviously missed on draft picks. So it was just the perfect kind of combination. But like you watch the Patriots, they weren't some joke operation. They had no offense.

Their defense was good. And he drafted a kicker who couldn't kick. So I don't think Bill is washed in the sense of like, can't coach, I think he needs a good offensive coordinator, and he needs a quarterback better than Mac Jones if he's ever going to have any success. Now, is he a lock to get another job? I don't feel great. Who knows? I'd say it's 50-50. I think there's a decent chance he never coaches again in the NFL, which is crazy, but part of its age, you know, it's not like if he skips multiple years, he's going to come back at 75-76. That's probably not going to happen.

started following you since the draft coverage. Listen to you daily now. I have a question. Don't know if it's Fugazi Friday related. Why isn't there a dual threat kicker in the NFL? Punter and place kicker. Seems like it would be a valuable asset to a team by also saving a roster spot.

I don't know how kickers just focus on skill rather than both coming up through college or whatever. I think they're too distinctly. different kind of operations. Like if you just had Justin Tucker punt a ball in practice, I bet he could punt a ball pretty high and pretty far. But can he do it consistently?

And a huge part now with punting, for example, is directional punting. So can you kind of do that Aussie end over end? Like, most of these guys have good leg, obviously. It's like there are a lot of guys in these long drive competitions who couldn't sniff making a cut on the corn fairy tour, let alone the PGA tour, but they hit it way farther than everyone on

the PGA tour. So it's very, very skill-related. And I can't pretend to know that much about kicking and punting besides being around them when I was in college and the pros. I just think they're two opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of the skill that it requires. And I think it's fair to say that the reason it hasn't happened because it's not really possible. Maybe there is one individual that will see be able once upon a time, you know, moving forward that it happens. But like a lot of guys pitch and hit in college. They're not able to do it in the pros.

That's why what Otani was doing was so insane. Like there are a lot of guys that in Major League Baseball who are good hitters. who could probably throw 95 miles an hour. But they wouldn't be good pitchers. No different than a lot of good punters probably can't place kick to save their life. So I don't, it's hard for me to get too in-depth because, you know, I'm not a kicker.

But having watched the way these guys operate, I just think it's a lot different. Now, you could argue, well, they got so much time on their hands. Why don't they practice the other one? I wonder if it's just one of those skills that you can't kind of, master, because that's what you have to do. You have to master it. You could argue even at the college, but definitely at the pro level. And if you're not a master by you time you get to the pros, I can't risk my job with,

I got a high-end punter who's a decent field goal kicker, but I can't trust them from outside 40 yards. You could argue a lot of field goal kickers you can't trust outside of 40 yards, but interesting question. Question for the bag. This is in regards to the Kirk Cousins deal with Atlanta. If Pennix does look amazing and ends up beating cousins out for the starting job, could Atlanta trade him without having to pay the fully guaranteed money? Example.

After this year, Pennix looks the part and beats him out. What would Atlanta get for him? A fourth round pick? Also, would the team trading for him be responsible for some of that fully guaranteed money? Or would it be Atlanta's responsibility to pay the fully guaranteed for the rest of the term to his team. The problem with this is is when you guarantee

the money. So I don't have Cousins contract in front of me. But I'm pretty sure he got like a $50 million signing bonus. So the guaranteed money is all paid out within the first you know, like 12 months of the contract. So Cousins, the influx of cash

he's getting from the Atlanta Falcons, from the moment he signed that deal till the start of next free agency is, and I'm not Howie Roseman or Prague here is a lot. So you could unload some of it. Now, Cousins has a no trade clause, but let's just say he'd waive it because if he's not going to start there, I think he would waive it.

Atlanta is paying a bunch of the cash, just like the Broncos only had Russell for two years, but they paid well over $100 million to Russell Wilson. The other problem is, is when you guarantee the money, it is on your books. so all that signing bonus and true guaranteed money that you put in this contract, even if you can finagle some of it to another team, you still account for that in your accounting. And that's why when you sign these huge contracts, you can't really trade the player early on in the deal because the way the contract is set up.

Like the reason the Broncos are getting crushed on the salary cap is because, you spread that money out over the life of the deal. And what do you usually do? You backload it, not front loaded. It's the head scratching part of the financial situation. It's like, wait, you're basically on the books tied to this guy for like three years. And you have this ready-made rookie who's on a four-year contract. Like the timelines never paralleled each other.

So what you're saying can happen in baseball and in basketball, that's where it gets very, very tricky in the NFL because the way you write these contracts for the salary cap. Mailback, quarterback weight loss. Recently noticed Lamar Tua dropping some significant weight, I'm jealous. These are high-end athletes. They pay attention to nutrition like chemists. It's strategic and I'm fascinated to watch it unfold.

Could this be a trend for specific offensive archetypes and quarterbacks? Lowering the player weight to complement the ever-increasing offensive-leaning league as quarterbacks are getting protected more now than ever and after touching the ball, thoughts, go Aggies. I think he means the UC Davis Aggies. I don't know. I haven't thought that much into it. I actually don't think you're protected in the sense.

of you get penalties when you get hit, but you still get hit. So, to a, like is the reason they faltered, I guess two years ago he was concussed and not playing. But last year, is the reason they didn't make the playoffs

because he carried 10 extra pounds? Or is the reason they didn't make the playoffs is because of his average arm doesn't translate to freezing cold temperatures. Because I don't know what weight loss for Tua specifically. Lamar, I haven't seen any pictures of dramatic weight loss. Hell, he hasn't been in camp. I haven't seen him.

He would have a better idea of, I need to be a little quicker when I run. I don't know. I can avoid hits because I'm such a great athlete. Tua is a pocket quarterback. So if I'm a pocket quarterback, I want a little girth. Why?

Because I'm going to get hit. Like Rivers, Eli, Peyton, Tom. They're sitting duck. Tua's a sitting duck. I can't quite understand it unless he thinks he's going to get more athleticism being a little skinnier. But you kind of are who you are as an athlete.

Might help for like a marathon, but not a quick sprint away from a high-end linebacker. But I'm with you. This was done for a reason with Tua. Like there was a reason behind it. He thinks it's going to make him a better player. I don't logically can figure out the reason because he's not a scramble guy. I think it's a bad move would be my initial reaction.

The other thing is, you know, weights weird with players. Sometimes, if you're legit too heavy, it's a problem, right? Shack had moments when he got too heavy it happens to offensive and defensive lineman right Jordan Davis clearly there are some times when he's too heavy I'm just I'm not trying to throw Jordan Davis under the bus but he's a guy

who's weight you know 350 obviously there's a big difference if you lose 20 pounds for for endurance but I think with a quarterback why does losing let's just pick a number 12 15 pounds when you're not that big

like if you're Rothfusberger and you weigh 265, 270 pounds. If you want to lose 250 pounds because you think it easier on your joints, you're still huge, understand it. I don't quite get it with Tua. I don't understand the long-term outlook by making this move. Like what you're trying to accomplish by it, I guess. What is your hot take for this upcoming season?

Is there any NFL team your high-level? on that everyone else is not? Are there any teams that everyone else is high on that you think will be terrible? I had a buddy text me this like gambling philosophy that he's going to try to do. Basically all these parlays of division winners and he was going to keep a couple of them the same and then kind of rotate several divisions. But the Niners, the Chiefs in Atlanta. And I said, one, anytime I got a ton of parlays going this week for the U.S. Open,

because Scottie Shepler's odds are so bad, so I basically parlayed him to win with a bunch of like top 10 and top 20 guys. But it's risky, like any time that you need multiple things to hit. I do believe, though, that most people, and I don't want to say universal agreement, but when you say the NFC South, people are like Atlanta. Atlanta. I can't go that far. I actually don't think Atlanta's going to win the division. I would go with Tampa and New Orleans.

And I said I would never pick a team with Derek Carr and Dennis Allen as their head coach to win the division again because I picked them last year. I actually pivoting back, I might pick them to win the division. I am not going to pick Atlanta. And I am not going to pick Atlanta to make the playoffs. I think that situation is going to be weird. And this notion that, like, a team that's won seven games, three straight years, is just some lock to now be good with a coach. They didn't just hire Bill Walsh. I know he's a hot coaching candidate in Rahim Morris, but he's a defensive guy as well.

I would say Atlanta, for sure, I'm not picking him to make the playoffs. I feel pretty good about that. Not saying I'm going to be right. I'm just, I think most people are going to pick him to make the playoffs, and I'm not. I think they'll finish third in that division. For the bag. The Dak Prescott narrative is the most painful thing to live through as a Cowboys fan. He has one legit playoff win in his entire career.

Yet the sports media at large acts like this guy carries Dallas every year, and when he plays like Dogwater, somehow skates by criticism. I don't know about that. I think Dak gets criticized. I cannot wait for him to go to a different team and disappoint them for a few years. And if some dumbass organization wants to pay him $55 plus million a year, I will drive from the West Coast right now for free and pick him up and drive him to your facility. I don't mind the $40 million number now.

I thought at the time it was crazy. But if he had a couple more years playing for $40 million, I do believe that he is capable of having a month stretch where he plays really well. and all of a sudden you guys are in the Super Bowl. I'm saying in a hypothetical world, it hasn't happened, and like you said, hasn't even come close to happening because he's played shitty in the playoffs.

He's played bad in the playoffs. He's had three clonkers three years in a row. 49ers, three years ago, 49ers two years ago, threw two picks on the road when the defense was unreal. And then last year, his first half was an embarrassment, as well as the defense.

But is he capable of having a two-game stretch like Eli Manning had in the playoffs? And all of a sudden, you're in the NFC team. I do think he's capable of that. I don't believe two is capable of all of a sudden the dolphins are in the AFC championship game. McDaniel can put every meeting at the 24th minute of the hour. Mike, none of that matters if that's your quarterback. None of it matters. To me, DAC is...

But the problem with DAC now, free agent year, how much you're going to have to pay them. The one thing is when you do sign a big extension with... the quarterback, those first couple years, his cap number is way lower. The reason DAC's cap number is high this year, so high, because of the last year of his deal. Like we said, we backload everything because of the guaranteed money. So yeah, I think you're in a conundrum. The problem for you is, and I understand what you're saying, like, I'm just tired of it. I'm just tired of it.

And I don't blame you. Because, like, we just win 12 games a year, then all of a sudden we're in the playoffs and we're just done. Who's going to be your quarterback? Okay, let's say you let him walk. Who's going to be your quarterback? Trey Lance? Like, who's your option? You're not going to suck, so you're not going to have the number one pick in the draft. And I don't think there's a great quarterback year for the draft, at least sitting here in the middle of summer. Middle of summer is strong, early summer. That's kind of the conundrum you're in. That's where Jerry's in this weird spot. And it's also where DAC does have,

it's crazy to say, still has some leverage. Okay, you guys aren't going to play with me? Good luck. See ya. I'll go to the Raiders, because they will sign me. But who are you going to play with? It's part of the reason the Lakers are going to sign LeBron James. They're not winning a championship. They got no chance. But he does keep him relevant and he does keep him in the playoff mix. And Dak does keep you in the playoff mix.

And there is something to be said for that. And you can argue, I want more. And I don't blame you. but how do you do that? Like how do you acquire a top 10 quarterback? And the answer is you can't unless you just get lucky in the draft like you did with Dak Prescott. And I think the hard part is with Dak,

and this is the hard part, I think sometimes in pro sports, is when the front office and the coaching, when people really like the guy, that's worth something. it's easy to get rid of someone you don't like. Like, Jay Cutler is driving me nuts or, you know, whatever. We've seen a lot of these situations over the years.

Aaron Rogers, with all the BS, driving me nuts with him, you know, threatening to retire and not showing. It's like, that kind of does everything the right way, which is probably working against you making the pivot. But the unknown scary, man, the unknown scary. It really is. and if you have no answer at quarterback, he's a flawed player, but at least he's a Pro Bowl level guy in the NFC

and can get you in the mix. You remove that, I think the answer is what do you do? Now, if your mindset is never always hesitating to worry about the unknown, you're never going to get anywhere in life, but I think it's easier said than done when it comes to the quarterback position. it's why what the Vikings did was pretty ballsy. Now it was easier because he had a torn Achilles. But if cousins hadn't torn his Achilles

and they had won nine games, does it still play out that way? If they had won 10 games. Is he on the Atlanta Falcons right now? I'd venture to say probably not. It was much easier to pull the trigger when his Achilles ripped. It gave him an out.

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