The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Derek Brown from FantasyPros joins the show

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

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We will dive into that a little bit later this week, but on Friday, before I jumped on a bird and flew to Hawaii. Aloha, everybody, I interviewed and talked with, interview would be strong. We just, we BS about football. Derek Brown from the fantasy pros. The number one fantasy football podcast in America, not even. close. They're partners with the volume. So I said, you know what? Let's talk some balls. So I threw some theories, threw some different guys, and we just, we talk players. I know a lot of you guys, the majority of you guys are big fantasy football guys, whether you're in a dynasty league,

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So very, very fired up to have a member of the volume family, Derek Brown, member of the fantasy pros. How you doing, man? Doing good, brother. It's been a long time since we've hopped on the mics. I think it was like pre-draft process, not last year, but the year before. And so happy to be back on and talk a ball with, man. You're one of the sharpest in the space. So glad to be doing this today. Well, this time of year, there's a lot going on, right?

And, you know, you guys look at it. Like I look at it, spend so much time press conferences, training camp reports, knowing what and what not to balance when it comes. to preseason action. I just was looking at your Twitter. You know, it's hard not to get excited when you watch Jackson Dart play, right? But you got to factor in from a fantasy standpoint is like, when is Jackson Dark going to play?

And I was texting with someone the other day. I remember, I don't know if you remember this, but the Raiders, they signed Matt Shop. And it's like he was going to be the starting quarterback for Dennis Allen. And they drafted Derek Carr in the second round. Now, it was picked 35. So it's a couple, you know, seven, eight spots later in Jackson Dart. He played so well in the preseason. It was like, what are we doing?

And he got to start right away. So we're recording this on August 22nd. I would never say never with this stuff, you know? And, you know, he's not going to have to announce it, right, for another week and a half. But do you think something like that? How do you approach, like Jackson Dart? Because if you tell me he's a starter, I know their schedule's hard, but why couldn't he throw 25? touchdowns this year, right? Oh, absolutely. And plus he's going to add the equity with his legs.

We saw that in college and in the preseason. So I mean, I, so the problem is middle cough is like, looking at their schedule, it's like, where's the easy spot where you lean him in and then they don't have a buy week until week 14. So it's like, if you're going to toss the guy in, you're probably just going to have to toss him into the deep end. Now, I will say, I do think this comes down to two big factors. One, it's going to be how does Russ play? I think he's going to start the year as a starter where we're at. right now because Rust didn't look like he fell on his face but um looking at their schedule I just keep looking at week 11 versus the Green Bay Packers like it seems like a really good

spot to ease Jackson Dart in now the problem with all of this and you know this as well as I do is now that Jackson Dart played well in the preseason if Russ doesn't start off great and if this schedule gets the better of the giants how fast in that type of media climate do we start hearing all the calls for Jackson would never last that long no Yeah, would exactly. I agree. I agree. Because the media is going to go after it immediately as soon as like Russ Falters at all. And you look really the quarterbacks for the most part over the last couple of years like Bo Nix immediate started, Caleb immediately started, Drake May should have been. But I mean, ended up playing what 12 games. You know, the Pettix things was weird. I mean, I would say in most scenarios, a guy with his portfolio, you know, a resume would have been an immediate starter. But they'd just given cousins $90 million. So, you know, it's just now. This is people like, middle-cough, talk to big-time player. So let's just dive in to the most overhyped and most underhyped.

And I got an overhyped guy for you because I've been hearing this name for a couple years. And it's like, I understand he's really talented. I have a buddy here in Arizona that I play golf with. It was a high school coach. And there are a lot of blue chip guys come out of here. On his team, he had like Mark Andrews. He said, by far, the best player I saw coaching was Bejohn Robinson. It was like he was like an NFL player in high school.

He's like he was incredible. And obviously he gets drafted high and it's like he's going to go potentially number one in a lot of drafts and auctions get pay. They just lost multiple offensive linemen this week. And I heard someone say this that Michael Pennix in his couple starts at the end wasn't really big on throwing him the ball. And if you watch Michael Pennix, he is, you know, he will sling that thing down the field. He's not really, I wouldn't call him check down Charlie. is B. John Robinson a little overhyped at this time of year right now, especially when you factor in the current situation with their,

with their offensive line injuries? I don't think he's overhyped in the sense of, I mean, again, I think you're splitting hairs when it comes down to like fantasy wise, like the top three to five running backs and where we look at all those guys. I think from the volume and the talent aspect, I fully understand like all the offensive line stuff. And the questions about like his past game involvement, because we know what Pinnix wants to do.

I go back to two things, Bejohn, the talent profile and the volume are going to sustain him regardless. Taylor-Rosier is going to have his own standalone role. But with Pennix, as far as the past game volume, I mean, Darnell Mooney is not 100% probably to start this year. I mean, we've got no great concrete reports on him from Rahim Morris, and I get it. You know, like they don't have to release anything at this time of the year. But we know the two pillars of that offense are going to be Drake London and Bejohn Robinson, and that offense is going to run through them. I think like the volume and a talent standpoint, like even with the offensive line concerns,

I still think he's going to be a top three pick. And I get it. Like, I mean, he's still my RB one overall, but I understand if people want to poke holes in it. Who for you? Do you have an overhyped guy currently that a lot of people are talking about as one of the top fantasy guys coming in that you're not? You're a little lukewarm on at this time. Man, there's two different guys. And I want to get your thoughts on these guys.

And I think they both had very middling kind of up and down, rookie seasons. Marvin Harrison, Jr., and this is right in your backyard, Marvin Harrison Jr., I don't know, because in fantasy circles, he's being ranked as like a top 24 wide receiver, everybody's back all in, and I don't know if it's just the name cachet or what have you, but I'm like, what about this entire situation changed from last year? Like, they didn't have any other receiving talent. Drew Petting still calling the offense, and it was back and forth type of usage. Like, it was like almost like they didn't understand the player that they drafted. They were running them on clear routes, a lot of vertical breaking stuff to begin

the season that changed throughout the year. But his mishmatch with Kyler Murray isn't great either because Kyler from the standpoint, I mean, he's basically kind of like dollar store Rust 2.0 doesn't utilize the field and he's got to get out of the pocket to really utilize the middle of the field. It's like, I don't know what's changed with him. And then Xavier Worthy, like he didn't really pop last year until the Rishie Rice roll was dumped in his lap when Rice was out for the whole season. His separation metrics are not great. Like, yes, Rice is going to miss time, but there's nothing analytically that I can point to outside of, oh, it's Patrick Mahomes, one of his receiving weapons, and he's a second year wide receiver, and he runs really fast

to get really hyped up about these guys. So like, I think they're overhyped currently where they're at, where they're going in draft, but what do you think about them? Well, if we want to start with Worth. Start with Worthy. You know, Mahomes has talked about in this training camp of having more of an emphasis. of pushing the ball down the field. Obviously, you know, given their situation, he would be the guy he's essentially talking about because of the speed. We have seen Andy deal with players like this.

You know, Deshawn was just a better player. I mean, but, you know, Sky Moore was drafted really high, or relatively high, right? Early mid-second round was a blazer, but it could never really work, right? Or, you know, the guy thought about it like that. So the one thing with the Chiefs has been a little hit or miss. I do think that they will figure that out I mean they don't have a choice as Travis Ages

I mean they they drafted him at the end of the first round didn't they trade up if I remember correctly with the bills right did a little flip to get him so I again where he like where you would draft him it would not shock me I don't know from a catch standpoint is he going to have like 80 catches but I could see him having seven eight touchdowns you know that's in using utilizing him in different

schematically who is the other guy you said to open up with? Marvin Harrison, Jr. Here's my thing. And I remember a buddy of mine that coaches for wide receivers for an NFL team said because he thought he was a little overhyped coming out. Not that he was a bad player or whatever, but talking about like some generational talent.

Yep. He's like he is going to go up against, which he did not in the Big Ten, most weeks or a decent amount of times, a Pro Bowl level corner because he's going to be their number one guy. And that guy is going to be late 20s, maybe married with multiple kids with a big ass house and making a ton of money and that guy's a badass and Marvin in the big 10 it's not the SEC in terms of the defensive secondary personnel

wasn't really tested like that and even his dad said because i remember watching an interview with Marvin senior and Marvin junior he said the difference between me and my son is when i'm not getting the ball i am lighten the OC and Peyton up and like that's my personnel i'm aggressive and he's like my son just is quiet. And that was the wide receivers coach's point. It's like that's not really his personality. Like a Jamar Chase, like a Justin Jefferson, just like some of the great Debo Samuel, like give me the rock.

It's not really his thing. And then this obviously, like Malik Neighbors has been 100%. He's been out there chirping too. He gets ticked off. He didn't get the volume. I think most people, Marvin was safe. And I remember had a personnel guy tell me the reason that the, before that draft, the reason he would take Marvin over Malik.

Belique's just a little bit of a wildguard, but the talent, like, it wasn't the same. Marvin's a great route runner. He's got a lot like his dad, right? But then he comes in this offseason. Now he's all jacked. He's added a bunch of muscle. I'm with you.

I think, again, he's a good player. I do think the hype because of the name, obviously was drafted really high. Now, he was going to get drafted in any draft in the top 15-ish. But when you go, like, what do you go, four? People just expect to see, you know, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones. And it's just, that's more Malik neighbors from a talent standpoint.

Right. And Kyler's not Philip Rivers or, you know, Peyton Man, he's not going to pick you apart. Like it's really more of just kind of gunsling and run around. I'm out on the Cardinals just as a team. And especially offensively because of him. Now, Trey McBride, he's going to get his numbers. But if you put Trey McBride, like you put him on the chiefs or something, he'd be like, you get 120 passes, right?

Dude. They do have some talent. And that's, you know, Kyler's an interesting fantasy guy because I heard I was listening to something. And he's had over when he's healthy, like he has productive seasons, right? Because he throws some touchdowns. He runs around. But it's like he's actually an interesting fantasy player, but he's not a good, he's good, I guess.

But he's not like a winning NFL player, I would say. Where Jalen Hertz, for example, I mean, I mean, he's got to be one of the better fantasy quarterbacks currently, right? Oh, absolutely. Jaylen Hertz is top five in pretty much any aspect or rankings that you'll find. And I agree with you on Kyler. And just the thing with and I want to clarify, yes, I'm absolutely all in on Tray McBride. I'll draft James Connor where he goes in fantasy circles. But the other parts of that offense, like Marvin Harrison Jr., Kyler, people can miss me with him. It's just, I think Kyler is who we, we know who he is at this point of his career. It's he'll have the spike weeks when the matchups are there. But the volatility week to week is just absolutely. absolutely maddening. And a lot of that comes down to just how he plays quarterback, man. Like it's just not consistent. He's not running the offense on a consistent basis, getting one to two to three, utilized in the middle of the field. So it's just too volatile for me. I got an underhyped guy because I like Seattle this year. I think they're going to be pretty good.

And, you know, obviously, you know, Jackson Smith is a guy. Maybe that's who, you know, think I was going to say, but I'm not. I mean, I think he's an excellent player. He's going to have a big year. have a great career. But I don't think anyone's really talking about Cooper Cup, who I think sometimes you see wide receivers, little older guys that have been banged up a little bit. I mean, this happens in the NFL at any position. A former all pro, former whatever, has a weird year, a couple weird years because of injuries and then still has like one more like Swan Song, maybe a couple years with someone else.

The Ravens have made a living off these type guys over the years. But Cooper Cup, I think if you just pulled the average guy like, what was this season like? he'd be like, ah, he got like 25 balls last year. He got 67, had 67 catches and six touchdowns. We know Sam Darnal likes to sling that thing around. We saw him last year. And the offense, which is Kubiak, which is a Shanahan thing, which, you know, McVeigh runs a little bit different, but still has a lot of the same things.

Like, if he stays healthy, who's to say that Cooper Cup couldn't have 7580 catches in, I don't know, seven to nine touchdowns? I mean, I just think no one's talking about them. If you like Seattle, which I think they're going to be good this year, I would expect Cooper Cup because Jackson Smith is no-brainer, right? But if you think Sam Donald is going to continue just to play solid, he's a pretty interesting fantasy guy that you wouldn't have to spend much money on or you could draft really late.

I don't disagree at all. And I was really surprised when I got deep into my write-ups this offseason how good he was on a per route basis. It just comes back down to the health, man. Like, can he stay healthy? If he could stay healthy, I mean, everything he put up on the field last year, he still has the juice. I mean, like his per route metrics were still fantastic,

2.1 yards per route run. And the thing that opened my eyes, middle golf was it wasn't just the per route analytics. It was the fact that if you go deeper, agnostic of quarterback play, this guy was actually in separation and route win rate metrics, even better as a boundary wide receiver than he was from the slot last year. So what that tells me is like, if he's healthy,

he still got the juice where he was top 24 in separation. and route win rate as a boundary wide receiver last year, which I'm kind of curious. How much do you think he plays on the outside this year? Because I think Seattle's going to run a lot of 12, maybe some 21 personnel, more condensed formations with Kubiak there now, Elijah Royo, AJ Barner. Do you think they're going to run a lot of 12 and 21 this year? Who? Like, you think Cup, like 50-50 slot outside?

I've read some reports, like they've been moving Jackson around a little bit, right? Because I think when he came out, people are like, he's just going to be the next elite slot receiver. were like, I think they think he's good enough. Like he's going to be the total package. Kind of like, I mean, Cooper Cup can do everything. They're kind of similar. You know, he will ideally want to become a Cooper Cup like player.

Can do it all, rely on in big games. Yeah, I mean, I think wouldn't shock me at all. I mean, they're going to want to run the ball. Wasn't that a big issue they had with Ryan Grub as he can be a little pass happy and didn't run the ball? Now, can Kenneth Walker stay healthy? You know, Charbonnet's had a pretty good. They got some interesting guys from a fantasy.

perspective if their offense is good. They have a lot of guys that can be pretty productive, right? Charbonnet could be a big physical goal line back and they might just give them the ball no matter what. I love Kenneth Walker. Can he stay healthy? I think both these two wide receivers. Who are their tight ends?

AJ Barner and Elijah Royo. Yeah. So I think, I mean, Barner's going to be your in-line guy. Royo is going to be your slot guy. They're going to play mismatches. Probably get him down the scene with as athletic as he is. Even though we didn't get testing metrics, I mean, dude, I saw that guy just. just absolutely like eviscerate corners, linebackers, everybody.

Like, you can all, like, I could, walking away from senior bowl immobile last year, this past season, he arguably had like one of the most impressive weeks out of anybody down there. Like, nobody could guard him. I've said this forever. If their head coach, instead of being a defensive guru, was a Shanahan guy or an Andy Reed guy, we'd be talking about this team a lot differently. But we just discriminate against defensive guys. and we all agree.

Like, this guy is pretty freaking sharp defensive mind. And you just, their talent on their team is now their tackle position, you know, offensive line wise. You know, Sam, Kenny, was that a one-year wonder situation? The situation was perfect. But I think this situation is pretty good. You know, also the carryover of understanding to going from Kyle to O'Connell to then Kubiak, who was with him with Kyle.

It's just, it's a pretty easy landing spot for him kind of, his breakout year. then he goes to get paid. It's not like he's just going to randoms, right? Yep. And I agree with you, too. And I don't think a lot of people off the top of their heads could tell you Seattle won 10 games last year. And this team, I mean, if Donald won 27 in the last three, I think people think they've just got to suck. Like they have Pete Carroll got fired or quit or whatever happened.

They were not a three-win team. He won nine that year. Mm-hmm. Well, and the other thing, like, where do you put their defense? I think their defense is going to take a huge step. Like, they're probably going to be a top. top what top seven top 10 at least unit this year how good dbs they have a ton right a ton and they added um and warry in the draft like when he hits the ground running if all those physical tools like i know

he's a little bit rough around the edges but he hits the ground running in this system like you're talking about a guy that could step up and maybe like back half of this season he's their their their kyle hamilton like their mismatch like chess piece that defense is going to be nasty because lerner williams is probably one of the more least talked about like really, really high-end guys. He's kind of turned into like probably similar age, but like a Buckner. Like no one just, they're not the sexiest players,

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You know, and speaking of that division, you know, McCaffrey, who when he's healthy is probably one of the greatest fantasy players of all time, right? Especially with Kyle. He's like a match made in heaven. But, you know, last year, I kept saying, like, everyone's overblowing this. He'll be fine. He'll be fine.

And then I thought he was fine. And then was it like Friday? He got soreness. And then he ended up not playing Sunday. And then the rest is history. So I, he's an interesting guy. Now, he's been healthy. And like him and Kittle, obviously they're going to have to rely on.

I still think their offense is going to be okay. They have some wide receiver issues. but to me that would even add to like him and kiddle just if you tell me those guys are healthy this season kiddle i feel pretty good about but mcalfrey i just don't see how they don't have both of them don't have massive seasons oh i agree wholeheartedly and i want to get your thoughts on uh ricky pierceal because beast i think like last year was oh same same i'm all in on him this year like i keep bumping him higher and higher my ranks i just watched all of his all 22 um from the preseason this past Sunday.

And you can see on the pre-season, and I know it's a limited sample, but you could see with the chemistry between him and Purdy, like he was running a crosser through zone, I think was week two of the pre-season. Instead of him, yeah, yeah, and instead of him

getting washed out in the zone coverage, he stops and he sits down in the zone coverage. And I'm like, that's it, baby. That's pointing to chemistry. That's reps in the off-season, making it to the field. I'm over the moon with Pierce I think to worry with him is

you know separate him getting shot even though I think they just traded for Brian Robinson who was also shot so they got the all shot team right now they got which is why they liked it I mean those guys are both you know Ricky's a tough guy but physically like he's had some hamstring issues he had a shoulder issue that I was listening to

some of my guys do a local podcast that there was a practice the other day and he fell on it and he was like grimacing now he didn't like leave practice or anything. But it's just when he plays 17 games, I don't be a first. You know, so we got, that would be my worry. If you tell me he's healthy, Purdy's going to, him and Kittle would just go nuts in the passing game, those two guys, especially who knows what Iuk's going to be. But, you know, now you could argue most of these wide receivers just around the league,

a lot of them get dinged up a lot, the high end guys. I mean, the Eagles, both their guys get banged up. We got Malik neighbors. He's banged up. You know, Jamar Chase, somewhat of an outlier, fully healthy last year, right? Jefferson's been banged up. So it's one of those positions that like, if I tell you all these guys that I just listed play all the time, C.D. Lamb, they'll put up huge numbers. But at any moment, these guys, they're like

I don't know, sports cars that you get a you get a ding on it. You got to go in. All of a sudden it's a 10 grand to like fill in like a little putty on the side of the Ferrari. There are a lot of them. I mean, the league is loaded with wide receivers but like, is there

a guy from a value? Because we all know that the sexy big names. But is there a guy that in the top ten-ish that's like, ah, yeah, it wasn't really thinking about him. Because I think Iuke a couple years ago became that guy, right? He had a big season. Is there a guy that there's not Chase or Cideland? They're like, I like that, dude.

Man, I keep going back and we'll go back. We'll circle back to the Falcons. I think this is the monster Drake London season incoming. I think everything's lining up for him. He's like really hit his stride last year with Robinson, throwing him inside, giving him more easy. design looks, a little more slot work, him stepping forward as the clear guy out of this Arthur Smith nonsense over the last few years. And if Pinnix can be the guy that we think he can be

collectively, the other thing that I think gives Drake London, it's not only the volume, it's not only the fact that he's going to be a centerpiece of the offense, it's, we're going to get downfield usage. And we haven't seen that over the last few years because of the quarterback play last year being limiting. And in previous years, we're going to get some Drake like back shoulder bombs down the field from Michael Pinnix. And I'm excited, man. I'm excited. I think he's going to step into some rarefied air.

He might lead the NFL on targets this year. Yeah, totally. I mean, we'll find out. We can talk about the Bears. Like it with Ben Johnson going there, is their arrow pointing up? And with the blinds, is their arrow pointing down? But, you know, I was thinking about this. I thought, was it second preseason game where Rome had a bad drop?

And I was like, I liked Rome a lot. But is there a chance? Like he was actually overrated and it was like Pennix. You know, it's like the reverse of Mike Evans and Johnny Mansell where Mike Evans kind of made Johnny. Did Pennix kind of make wrong? Because I'm watching Rome. I'm like, God, I thought this guy was really good. And I don't know.

I'm rooting for him. I'm a fan. But he makes me a little nervous. He makes me a little nervous too. And I've been largely below consensus compared to a lot of other people in the fantasy space on the Bears' offense. Like I get the Ben Johnson team. I understand it. But I have my own standalone concerns about Caleb Williams.

We haven't seen him support. even one high end weapon. I understand the problems of that offense and all the stuff about Shane Waldron and stuff. I still don't think enough people lay things at Caleb Williams's feet last year for how rough his rookie season went. Totally. And they're just expecting Ben Johnson to come in here.

And I'm like, I think Caleb can have a solid season if he can just run the freaking offense. And if he does that, he can have a solid season. But he might not live up to the hype where people walk away from this year and say, well, Caleb took a step forward, but it still didn't meet my expectations.

and I'm with you on Rome. Like, I can't point to an analytical reason to really believe in Roma Dune saying, I loved him as a prospect. But again, like, once you hit the NFL, maybe our preconceptions or how we viewed as a prospect needs to change a little bit whenever these guys are running against NFL competition. I agree. And if it, if Rome, I mean, people, he was drafted, what, ninth or 10th, ninth, I think? Yeah. Like, I mean, the expectations when you're drafted in the first round alone, like, it's like, I say this about Ricky Pearson.

Like, he was a first round pick. It was the end of the first round, but, or Xavier Worthy. That's a big pick for these teams that were just in the Super Bowl. That's their first asset in the draft. When you are a top 10, 12 pick at wide receiver, the expectation is for you to be a pro bowl level guy. And, you know, we might look back. It's like, Marvin's got some issues.

Rome's got some issue. Malik neighbors in a different universe than those guys, which, you know, it's kind of, I mean, some people were saying that. And I think a lot of people push back. But the Lions, there's no disputing, Ben, is really freaking good. And like you said, the Caleb,

he's got a little Russell, Deshawn Watson to his game, and that's not how Ben Johnson became a star with Jared Gough, who can't move more than me or you. So it's like, that's why you look at the lines, you're like,

are they just so good, even with Johnny Morton, who's kind of got a weird career trajectory? Like all these coach in the league, Gruden, Sean Payton, Dan Campbell, they love the guy. It's like, well, in this day and age, it's pretty hard not to become

a pretty sweet offensive coordinator, get these jobs all the time. He's like he's never getting these jobs. So I get Dan Campbell has known him for a while and makes him the offensive coordinator, but I don't know. I mean, it's just, there is something to be said about some people are just better play callers, regardless of the players, right? You just have an innate feel if you're Kevin O'Connell, Kyle, McVeigh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid. We see a lot of these guys are like, I don't know, he's just, it's not even as much about the players. He has no feel for the game. And that's what I always get worried about whenever you make a big coordinator change. You don't have a guy

that we've seen it with the Eagles. Right? I mean, when it's good, it's good. When it's bad, it's bad. Yep. Yeah, I don't disagree about Morton at all. I just don't even know. I don't even know where I come down. I don't really even have a strong take. I just, I think it was a, I think it was more of a familiarity because if you trace all like Morton and Campbell's winding road to the NFL, both of them come from that Sean Payton tree, both of them were on the same staff in New Orleans. And I think part of it was that. So the familiarity, there's a relationship there. I'm a little bit higher on the lions in that transition. Now I understand like Ragnow getting hurt, some of the other parts of pieces like Zitler's gone to the O line. People have

questions about. Now the lions have done a good job of like with their draft picks kind of insulating themselves from some of these things. But still change is change. And especially O line continuity is huge. When you do have a statue type of quarterback, he ain't moving off the spot. not creating a ton off schedule. He needs that offensive line to make that wall for him. I am a little bit higher on the lions or I'm not projecting as much regression as some people, not everybody, not because of Ben Johnson and not giving him his flowers and respect. But I also go back to like Dan Campbell is an offensive minded head coach.

And I think because of the rah, rah, rah, rub some dirt on it that kind of gets lost in the conversation sometimes of like his background as a tight end, offensive assistant and stuff like that now he's not calling the plays and i think that questions about morton are are very fair and it's a reason to be concerned but with all these players like the talent levels of all them like you really got to screw this up like big time i think till like fall in their face like there's still going to be a really good offense but the question is can they can they be a top three to five offense this year yeah all of the circle you think they can i think it's i think it's still in the range of outcomes i think i comfortably still peg them like top 10 top five is going to they're

line is going to have to produce. Who's your group top three to five that you feel pretty confident moving forward? As far as NFL offenses? Yeah, because to me, that's how I kind of gauge at you. Your offense is sweet. I'm just interested in your players. If you got Josh Allen playing 17 games, you're going to have some guys putting up some big stats. You got Lamar Jackson. Obviously, Joe Burrow. Those are the three we've kind of drawn to. If the line, if we just remove the lines, even if they just take a slight step back, like, you know, because the chiefs haven't been there, right, even though they've been one of the best teams. The 49ers statistically last year were really good.

They just struggled to score points, which obviously is a problem in fantasy. But I mean, I think Minnesota is a pretty big question mark. Yep. Philly's still in that conversation for top five. Definitely, depending on what we get out of. I mean, the lions are definitely in the fringe. You talked about the Vikings.

We got questions about JJ, can he be who I hope he could be and everybody else? Man, I think, tell me your thoughts on the Broncos. because I think they're a team that really could break into that top five conversation this year. If Nix takes that next level of all the parts of pieces, kind of coales and stuff, like we're hearing really good reports about Pat Bryant and Troy Franklin and R.J. Harvey. Like, they've injected a lot of youth and explosiveness. Do you think they can enter that top five kind of conversation?

And how much easier is to play offense when your defense is really good. Oh, their defense is going to be top five, man. It's going to be so nasty. Like, teams are going to, whether it's Certain or Jada, Barron, locking dudes down in the nickel, teams are going to be frustrated going a mile high this year. I think they're going to be really good. Same. I think the chargers are going to come back to Earth a little bit.

I think the Broncos win the AFC West. Is that a crazy take? Three to one right now. Chris the Chiefs? Three to one on draft Kings. And you can get them. I've already bet it. I've already bet it, baby.

It was actually higher and it's kind of come down to Sean, like, to start the training camp. And Sean Payton's basically just saying like, yeah, I've been coached for 25 years. I've been around six teams. This is one of them. that I think can win at all. And I don't think, you know, if you watch the Cowboys documentary, Jimmy would just talk sometimes to talk to kind of,

I think Sean Payton truly believes it. Like, he's not, he is not bullshitting. He loves Bow Nix. Nope. He loves this team. He likes the group. I mean, if you watched them last year, I mean, you could just kind of see it coming.

they just needed to add a couple more pieces, but team speed-wise, their defense is fast and physical. Their pass rush is excellent. Their D-Bs are good. What's the dude they just drafted from Texas in the first round? I saw him make a couple plays in preseason. And like you said, offensively. Now, is he overhyping the running back a little bit from UCF?

He loves them. I mean, he loves him. I was a big RJ Harvey stand. I pre-draft. I had him inside of my top five RB. So I was in on it. I think a lot of people were pushed off because of the age and, you know, the ACL history and stuff.

But skill set wise, he checks a ton of boxes, man. Like he's got some high in past game reps. If you go back in his, his collegiate history and stuff, I think he can definitely play in the past game. Pass pro is probably the biggest worry with him. But Peyton's even come out and said, like, look, like, I think it's one of the reasons why they added Dobbins. I think it's going to be Harvey on especially, like,

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You know, if he's healthy, you know, tanks' career is probably in some jeopardy after the devastation. I mean, it's hard to even think about watching him laying on the ground. because he was a stud. But, you know, last year I thought they, I like picked them to be the one seat. I had a little juice on them like eight to one. I might have been a year early because I think their defense is going to dominate. And offensively, if they're just solid, if you look at that division, could they be, you know, CJ a guy throwing 35 touchdowns this year?

I think you were at a year early. I think we were all a year early. I absolutely agree with everything you outlined there. And I think like their defense is going to be a top five unit this year. I mean, they are just stacked every. where you look. Lasseter hitting the ground running last year was a big, big win for them where they got him in the draft, adding a few more parts and pieces of that secondary. Their pass rush is nasty. I've got a few tickets on Will Anderson for defensive player the year. So I'm in on him

taking another step forward this year. What do you got that at? With their offense. Oh, God, man. I think I got a like 12. Yeah, it was, it was really good odds. Really good odds. Like if I could double it down, I would even, I'd press the button even right now. So anybody to listen to this, you know, head to the books. Press it now, man, because he's a guy, like, everything coalesces, like, we're talking about high-end sack numbers, like, could post some outrageous sack numbers, considering all the other D-line talent there. But the offense is where it all comes down to, like, that's the ceiling element of this

team. Could C.J. bounce back. And really, everybody, the first thing out of their mouth is going to be their offensive line. And I just want their offensive line to be league average. And I think that's possible. I'm not saying like I love the parts or pieces. But middle cough, we also lived in a world last year where a lot of these same dudes were on this depth chart last year.

And everybody wasn't worried about their offensive line until they cratered. So like adding these parts or pieces to it, I think they're just looking at this as like a sum of the parts. And if they can play better as like a unit and the continuity is there, then if we get league average play with the other, again, this is a team that added a bunch of firepower as far as through the past. game like i love jaden higgins as a prospect jalen knoll was my guy throughout the entirety of the draft process and so you have insulation there if kirk goes down like i think they're ready to roll on

offense they just need the blocking up front just to be average i think a lot of people place the blame i mean clearly on the offensive coordinator is he just did not do a good job and then it kind of unraveled and they lost their confidence or whatever and it kind of just it just started looking worse and worse as a season went on that they think the cohesion. I mean, play calling, let's face it, you can make, I mean, McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan having exactly had like the mid-90s Cowboys' offensive lines over the years, right? So you can scheme around like, to me you can't, it's hard to scheme like sweet pass

rushers. You either got Willa Anderson or Nick Boser or Aden Hutchson. You could scheme around some random offensive linemen, but you can also, those guys can expose you fast. I want to get you out of here. I got two teams that I think are huge swing teams. The Colts. If you tell me they went 10 and 7 and Daniel Jones Resurrection's career, I'd be like, I bet Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, hell, even Daniel Jones probably has pretty good fantasy year.

If you tell me they could win six, seven games, I'd be like, I'd stay away from that group. Same thing with the Rams, which is obviously predicated on a guy's back. So it's a little bit. We know Stafford wins on the field is going to be good. But if you tell me, you know, Stafford's back, he played four games. It's like, I'm Jimmy Garoppel. I'm sorry. I'm out on that situation. it's Dezeman too. Like I'm just no chance. And I love McVeigh.

But let's start with the Colts. Your thoughts on their situation. We're sitting here by the time I put this out on Monday. I think Anthony Richardson gets traded before the season because I don't think you can have. You just can't. It's just, you know, the locker room dynamics. There's no going back. No.

There's no going back. You bench the guy and now you've, you picked a journeyman starter over him. It's like, dude, it's like, like I don't, I'm not saying the vibes have been good. about his dedication and work and some of the things you can kind of read to the tea leaves. But it's like also it's like, did you not understand who you were drafting? Like a guy that didn't have a lot of starts, a lot of reps and stuff.

He needed that time to grow and then the injuries and stuff. And then it's like, we're worried about our jobs. And then the suboptimal decision making comes in where it's like, now we need it. We're coaching for our jobs and stuff. And we're basing our hope on Daniel Jones. I see,

I think a lot of times when this stuff happens because I, when I was living in the bay, I saw it with Troy Lance. Yep. I think back in the day, like the 80s or the 90s, like if Didkaa were to do this or Parcells, like the locker room has no influence. I think nowadays, I bet the players are telling Shane. Like, you know, they are, because you don't hear a peep when all the Tray Lance stuff happened with Purdy. They all were like, now it's different because I mean, they truly believed in Purdy. I don't know if they believe in Daniel Jones. Trent Williams, Fred Warner, Debo Samuel, they were all on. They wanted it. Right. In this situation, I just think. that I wonder if a lot of players internally kind of gave up on them last year during that situation when he tapped out and it's like, it's Shane Stuyken

just going rogue. They're like on the fence, we'll go with either guy. I think there are a locker room dynamics more than ever in the modern day pro sports and you kind of listen to your star players and they're cool with it. I'm with you. Like big picture you should have known, but the

problem is when a guy's always injured, it's impossible to develop them. Now we're year three and we think we have like a playoff level roster. It's like, what are we going to do? It's just a, he should have gone to a really crappy, shitty team, right? It's easy. It's easy. You just keep Jacksonville or Arizona. You just keep rolling out. When you think you're a playoff team, it's hard to do this year and year out. I don't disagree with you. And it's tough when the guy gets hurt and then he can't get the reps, even you forecast that are wanted for him. But like, if Daniel Jones can just be a league average quarterback, like,

and Shane Stockian can like, look, like just scheme around him with all the parts. parts or pieces. Like this team could win 10, 11 games this year because I think their defense could take a step forward too. Like changing over DCs, you have a lot of young guys there, especially in their D line that could take another step forward this year. And if that happens, yeah, we're talking about there, they're literally the entire rest of this roster is carrying Daniel Jones to 10 or 11 wins. I wouldn't be shocked with that. I also wouldn't be shocked if Daniel Jones just like implodes and he's, you know, Blake Bordel's 2.0 and this team looks rough and everything goes sideways and Bauerd and Stiking are gone by, you know, the back half of the season. I think there's a wide

range of outcomes for the Colts just in general. Well, if I gave him like Jared Gough or Brock Purdy on the Colts, their starting quarterback, you would like that roster. Dude, 12 wins. Yeah. 12 wins. I'd say the same thing about, I'd say the same thing about probably the Arizona Cardinals. If I gave them like a consistent quarterback, I think they'd be pretty good. The Red Rams, to me, they're a little more like an NBA team that's been top heavy. Now they're getting better. They've drafted really well the last couple years so they've had the youth movement. But like

when Stafford's on, they become a really really good team. And when he's off, I mean, people sometimes talk about the Rams. I've been saying this for like a month. Like there's, they were been some 12 and 13 win juggernaut these last couple years. Like they've won 10 games. You know, I mean, Seattle had the same record as them. It's just Sam Darnold, you know,

threw that touchdown in the corner of the end zone late in the season and end of their playoff hopes. But I mean, if that guy drops it or Sam trips, Seattle wins a division. So I think the Rams are a massive wildcard. If you tell me Stafford play 17 games, the back, no big deal. It's like, okay, Puka's going to catch a hundred catches, 15 touchdowns. If you tell me Jimmy Garoppolo starts 12, it's like, this could get weird.

It really could. And Stafford is the linchpin. Like everything, that team is going to go where the quarterback play goes. And yes, I mean, like, dude, like if Jimmy G make starts, then it's also like, do we go back to the DeBonte Adams like, cussing him out on the sideline by throwing hospital balls like that that's firmly in play too but if stafford's healthy and i think there's the two big question marks from that team and the range of outcomes is stafford's health and i just back injuries just scare the ever-loving bejesus out of me man like where it's like you got an you got an epidural you're like feeling okay

enough to practice how are you feeling a week six when the hits start piling up and that that that aged body and that back starts barking at you and it's hard to even i guess i Week six, bro, they open with Houston. I mean, what if he gets leveled in that game? I mean, you know, if you're Domeco Ryan's, you're just going to blitz the ever-loving crap out of them and say, okay, O-line, hope you can hold up because we're bringing the heat, baby.

But yes, like, this is an 11 or 12-win team. If Stafford is healthy and the secondary can hold up, because you got a huge question marks there. Can Ikello Witherspoon? He's awesome when he's on the field. I mean, his entire career he's in him, but unable to stay healthy. So it's like there are another wide range of outcomes.

Like I have some. Do you have any Jimmy G belief? Do you? I mean, enough to run the offense, but like he's he's a floor pick. Like you're just hoping like he doesn't get any of your wide receivers just absolutely decapitated over the middle. If he's playing and you probably go run heavy and that's what we see like them lean on the run game and it goes like conservative.

but I'll kind of tie some things together here at Middlecoff before we wrap all this up. Do you think the Rams there's a non-zero chance? Like could they trade for Anthony Richardson, seeing as we're talking about a trade? Yeah, to me, I think Anthony Richardson is in play for all the good, sweet offensive coaches. Like, Sean Payton would not be interested because he's got a young quarterback, but Andy Reid, obviously Sean McVeigh, the Bills wouldn't fit that model. The Ravens with Lamar. You know, it's like, Andy Richards is a backup now.

So you don't even need to worry about him. Like you're just on the side, grinding with you. I think 100%. Now, he's a value. Like, can I get you for like a fifth or six rounder? Like, I don't see any of these teams giving up anything. Because when you were the fourth pick, you do make some money as well.

But the first two names that came to my mind were Andy Reid and Sean McVeigh. Because like, we're not even worried about you playing. And I just, you know, when we got a little downtime during the week, we're working with you on the side, you just we're just kind of messing with you but I do think financially the more and more I've thought about it it's a little complicated because when you're the fourth

overall pick it's you know it's like 7, 8, 9 million dollars what's he in year 3 now? It gets a little higher as the it's, it's not like he's the 20, like Jackson Darts contract and his contract are dramatically different right? It's like what we saw with Jerry Jones I also think people look back at Jerry Jones

trading for Trey Lance of 4th. It's like God that was a lot you know because that was a that was a mistake at the time. That's a lot of of Jerry trades. He just spins those forts like you're going out of business. So to me, what's the value on Anthony, what's the value on Anthony Richardson? Like, could they even get

a fifth? I mean, that's fifth or like a pick swap? Like Richardson and a pick swap for a fifth? I mean, that kind of feels Yeah. Or maybe I got a guy that I'm going to cut that you want. I trade you a player type deal. Yeah, it's a call. He wouldn't go. And listen, people are like, well, the Colts

no, the Colts missed. It's over. So you just have to remove them. It's not. There's value coming back. You drafted them fourth overall. It failed. You can't, there is no value there. You're not getting the equity back on that. No. So, yeah, I could see definitely, Sean McVeigh and Andy Reed were the two guys that I thought of. But I guess the Ravens from a scheme standpoint, maybe they, because a lot of people liked them coming out, right? But like you said, we sometimes, like, we have enough evidence. Like, we can't just view what we viewed whenever the guy was drafted three years later. Like, a lot's changed. So.

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