The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Dolphins TRADE Jaylen Waddle to Broncos, Maxx Crosby reacts to failed Ravens trade, NFL Offseason Mailbag

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

On this episode of 3 & Out, we break down a major move as Jaylen Waddle is traded to the Denver Broncos. What does this mean for Denver’s offense, and how does Waddle change the outlook in the AFC West? We also examine the Miami Dolphins’ side of the deal — why they made the move, what they gain, and how this impacts their offense moving forward. Plus, we discuss the current market for elite wide receivers, including what it could cost to acquire a player like A.J. Brown, and how teams are valuing top-tier talent at the position. We also react to the latest surrounding Maxx Crosby, including key takeaways and reactions from his recent podcast appearance. Next, a look at Matt Leinart — his perspective, relevance to today’s game, and how his experience ties into current NFL conversations. Finally, we open up the mailbag and answer your questions from around the NFL. All that and more on this episode of 3 & Out. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because we got a massive trade this morning on a day that might have shaped up to not be great because there wasn't that much going on but the Denver Broncos and Sean Peyton made a bold move to trade for Jalen Waddle give up a first round pick, a third round pick. They swapped four so we will dive into that trade from the Broncos side to the dolphin side. my first reactions to both after I kind of let it marinate some thoughts,

how this impacts Howie Roseman and his star wide receiver. Max Crosby did a podcast today, and I think he kind of verified what most of us thought in terms of the Ravens backing out of the contract. Matt Liner had said something about a Jersey unretirement, USC, wants him to give 11 to these recruits. He's denying us. Some thoughts on college football and the chaos there.

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challenge. I need to throw a curveball because I can't just pick chalk, even though that's probably what it will be. My bracket's terrible. I got no chance to win it unless it gets really chaotic because I got crazy. Yeah, let's dive it as a football. We obviously got to start with the massive trade that Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos executed this morning. They trade for Jalen Waddle, former number six overall pick, very productive young player, never been a a pro bowler, never been an all-pro. They trade for Jalen Waddle, who's under contract. They get a fourth rounder with Jalen Waddle, but they give up pick 30, their third round pick, and they essentially swap force with Miami. So Miami gets their four, which is at the end of the

round, and they get Miami's four, which is, you know, closer to the top. So, you know, swaps of fours and essentially pick 30 and a third for Jalen Waddle. And, and, you know, swaps the fours. And, And my original thought when I kind of gave it a couple of minutes to process, this is the type trade you make when a coach has all the juice. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those people that they paid a lot. I mean, they paid an astronomical amount for a guy who is very talented. And I think he's going to be a good player for them.

But based on his history, I saw someone put the stats of DJ Moore, and Jalen Waddle the last couple years next to each other, there's not that gigantic of a difference. Now, I think most people in the league would rather have Jalen Waddle, but they paid a lot more. Last time I checked, pick 60s a lot different than pick 30 in a third rounder. So Denver paid a premium to acquire this player. And it does have some similarities of, you know, John Snyder's in complete control now in Seattle, but for a long time, Pete Carroll was the boss. And they made some kind of insane traits.

Why? Because coaches don't value draft picks like a front office. They live in the here and now. Sean Payton is obsessed with week one and winning in 2020s, which obviously you should be, but they are less concerned with salary cap implications, what are we going to do in a couple years, and what can we do right now? Getting a 28-year-old guy who more than likely will need a contract extension at the end of this year. and you make this trade with, I think the thought of this going well and us giving him a contract extension. He comes cheap this year in the sense that his cap hit is like $4 million, less than 2% of the salary cap.

So it's an easy transition. The actual cash payout isn't that much. But you're not exactly trading for, I would say, someone that's widely considered the best or one of the best wide receivers in the league. we'll get into AJ Brown a little bit later like he's got a much more decorated resume as a wide receiver. Now Jalen Waddle

is a smaller player, a quick player, a versatile player. His most productive year of his career was his rookie season. Obviously the quarterback play there the last couple years has been an abomination which I don't hold against him. Now, to me the negative is just

it's a lot. Now the positive is the head coach who clearly was the guy leading the charge on this is also, I know he's technically not the play caller, the offense is his baby. So scheming up versatile players is something he has a long history with. And when you look back in the New Orleans Saints,

like they had different guys that they utilized in a lot of different places. So when you get a guy like Jalen Waddle that you can move around and do things with, you feel good. Like if a defensive coach had made this trade, I'd be like, that's insane. I understand.

it more. And let's also factor in, they view themselves as a player away. Because you do not make this trade if you don't say this guy is the missing piece to add some speed, playmaking elements to our offense, and gets us over the hump next year to win the Super Bowl. Now, I don't think you have to win a Super Bowl for this to be a boom or bust trade, but you better be right where you were last year, right in the mix in the AFC championship game. Because that's why you make this move because you think you have the roster. A lot of guys returning, obviously a fantastic defense, a good offensive line, a quarterback on a rookie deal who wasn't even a top 10 pick. So it's a really cheap rookie deal relative like Caleb and Drake and Jaden. They are very

cost friendly, but they still, you know, when you're number one, number two overall, you're signed a four year, $40 million deals. They're not zero, right? They're not Brock Purdy. So you got Bo Nix, who, you know, keep your fingers crossed, is going to be fully healthy coming back from this ankle injury, and you're all in. And I've said this forever. I do appreciate the bills have been doing this. You know, the Ravens kind of did this. Then they backed out.

We'll dive into Max Crosby a little bit later. The Eagles have done this for a couple years. Put all your chips in the middle of the table. And, you know, Sean Payton, you're not 48, right? He's trying to win a Super Bowl, become a legend, and be a guy. that won a Super Bowl for multiple different teams, which obviously hasn't happened many times. I have to Google it.

I'm sure it has happened before. But I think this was a very, very ballsy move for Denver. Like, I understand it. I would say the front office scout in me goes, whoa, that's a lot. That's a lot, right? And especially for a smaller guy, you play in a cold weather area. you know Kansas City outdoors freezing cold teams if you do not have home field advantage places you have to go cold weather places like Buffalo Baltimore these are environments where bigger

more physical wide receivers typically are the type guys you are inclined to go to war with so from a body type standpoint it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out in the biggest games when it gets freezing cold and the other thing is like how good is Bo Nix? That to me is a fair question. Like this is going to come down to and listen, Bo Nix is several years away before we even discuss contract extensions. But to me now this puts a ton of pressure on him to step up his game. Obviously he had really good moments last year, some clutch moments, but there were a ton of games. We all watched it where he was atrocious. he had some abominable games

like games that you're like what is going on with an offensive head coach and then at the end of the year he fired a bunch of guys on his offensive staff his wide receiver coach, his offensive coordinator elevates his young hot shot they have an ownership group

with unlimited funds. It's not quite Steve Balmer rich but the wallons are pretty rich and money is not an issue so the resources behind this team are plentiful and I think when you look Denver and you look at Sean Payton, I just think this is a coach-driven organization.

This is the type move that I don't think a lot of GMs would have signed off on. But when your head coach is your offensive mastermind and he's kind of living year to year, this is the type move you make. So I understand it. I think it's a lot. But wow. I mean, there's no way around. I saw this video go viral yesterday of a key point.

Talib saying that Denver has reinforcements coming. So clearly he had heard rumors of this happening that they will get a playmaker. I kind of thought like, damn, Denver's going to trade for A.J. Brown. There were some reports, I guess, coming out of Miami that Jalen Waddle was not available, but or not on the trade block. And honestly, if you told me he wasn't on the trade block, I'd believe you. This is the type deal, especially we'll get into Miami here in a second, when you're rebuilding. It's almost too good to be true.

Like, I'm not looking to move out of my house. I'm cool here. We'll spend, ideally, several more years, have another child. If someone knocked on my door tomorrow and made an offer, as was once famously said, too good to refuse, I'm going to make the man an offer. He can't refuse. I would say yes. We all have a price.

We all have a number for a lot of different things in life. It's no different with players. there are some guys in the league who are truly untouchable, right? Mahomes, Josh Allen. Like, it's a pretty short list, actually. Right? Most players are like, how much you offer? Yeah, we'll think long and hard about that.

Here you go. Like, Atlanta. Like, do they want to trade Bijan? Are they going anywhere? Of course not, but Bejohn's a star. You build around them. If someone made an offer that was just too good to refuse, it would be, you know, not doing your job

to not think long and hard about it. It's like, yeah, I'm not trading Bejohn for, you know, one and two twos. But if you offer me two ones, two twos and two threes, if we don't have a long, long conversation over it, we're not doing our job. This is the business we're in. Player acquisition, player transactions.

And to me, this is the type move because you just signed Malik Willis. I don't think your plan was to just ship this guy out of town. By all accounts, high character, you know, good player, durable player. I saw someone say he's only missed five games in a six-year career. So for being a smaller guy, it's not like he misses a bunch of time, for being a speed, explosive player. But I just think you get an offer like this.

You're like, we would be negligent to almost say no. And that's why I think this goes down. And I would imagine that there was nothing close to this if they did just start shopping this offer with other teams interested in why. wide receivers like, hey, would you be interested in this? I would imagine they got a lot of nose. And that's why Jalen Waddle is now on the Denver Broncos.

And I think from the Miami standpoint, Schaefter tweeted this out that they are going to have $175 million in dead money. Obviously, Tua accounts for a ton of that. Tyree Kill, Jalen Waddle, guys like Jalen Ramsey, who hasn't even been on the team, for a year. They are going to take it on the chin. They are essentially doing what, and listen, I respect the Steelers. I've said this over and over for just always attempting to compete,

even if you get losing the first round every single year, typically by multiple touchdowns. But like, they just refuse to do this. And if you are willing to do this, you can reset the franchise. And that's what they will attempt to do. Now they have Pick 11. they got pick 30. They have a second round pick. They got a ton of third round picks. Like they have a lot of ammo. But when you do this, and more than likely, they're not going to be any good this year,

which will lead to more good picks next year. But part of that process, and when you hit the nuclear button in football, and the bomb goes off, and that's what Miami has done, you've got to nail the picks. You've got to come out with a ton of impact players the next couple years.

because the Malik Willis signing, I think a lot of people probably initially thought, oh, they're going to try to compete this year to be just decent and a competitive team. I think they just needed a quarterback. They wanted to get a guy in the building that they knew, they feel comfortable with, a guy on the come is still of a younger player,

that you can just get the train back on the tracks. It was less about like, oh, we think we can be a playoff team because clearly that's not what they're trying to do. They're trying to reset this thing through the draft. And now they have a bunch of picks with the GM that was trained and learned the Green Bay model, which is draft and develop. But part of drafting and develop,

and this is why Green Bay has been good for decades on end, is they hit on a lot of picks. And I've seen, I saw it firsthand when I was living in the Bay area and John Gruden traded Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper in the same year. And they had a bunch of first round picks. And then when the dust settled, like all they had to really show for it was like Josh Jacobs. So to me, when you have these picks and you have this ammunition, it's just about coming out of it with guys who are going to be on your team,

winning impactful players who are going to be second contract guys. Because if they're not, then it doesn't matter. Like eating it and taking it on the chin and eating $175 million is all for not. I think those two guys that they hired are really, really impressive. Right? Like, if I was an owner, would I have allowed my coach or GM to do the Jalen Wattle trade. Probably not. If my coach is Sean Payton, is Andy Reid, is Sean McPhey, and they want to do it, I'm much more inclined to be like, I trust you, go ahead, pull the trigger. When you got the

Aaron Glens of the world, Jonathan Gannons and these guys that are like, the guy not even going to be around next year, it's why a lot of these trades don't happen with the bad teams. Because the owner's like, no, this is crazy. We're not getting rid of our dry powder for a guy that I don't even believe it. But now Sean Payton has proven these last couple years, The playoffs the first year, when they get Bo Nix. Second year, they're hosting the AFC championship game, and I think they'd chalk it up to like crazy Blizzard, and we didn't have our starting quarterback.

So it's like we easily could have bet in the Super Bowl that he develops a lot of equity and trust, and you allow him to do that. And I think if you are Stephen Ross, you feel pretty good. Like, that's a big time move. You were able to move a guy that we drafted six overall that has been a really productive player,

but it's not like he's been Justin Jefferson. We're not talking Jamar Chase. We're not talking to AJ Brown. And you flip him for a first and a third and a pick swap in the fourth. Like, these guys are good at their job. That's the way to immediately impress the guy that are signing your checks.

That's the way immediately to get equity within the building of like, okay, these guys know what they're doing. For the first time, what it feels like in a while, Miami has been really poorly run. Like, and I'll say this all the time. point of the gig, if you're Sean Payton, if you're Sean McVeigh or any of these guys that do these ballsy moves, like draft picks. As long as you win, that's the point of your job.

It's to the NFL, they have two goals as a team. Win and make money. So it's like, whether it's the draft, whether it's free. No one gives a shit if you win 12, 13 games. How many picks you had, free agents? If you keep winning, no one complains. Not a soul. Like, Tray Lance trade was a disaster. Ultimately it didn't matter. Why? Because the 49ers just kept on chugging and winning. If they hadn't, it would have been a problem. So as long as Sean Payton keeps winning, whether Jalen Waddle lives up to the hype or not, as long as if they win the division and they're back in the playoffs, hosting playoff games, like that's all that matters. And that's where you can get away with doing some stuff that most teams wouldn't do if your coach is elite,

if your team is really good. And if you're Miami, you're not even close to being close. So detonating and blowing up the thing when you get options like this on the table is the right move to do. And you take it on the chin, eat $175 million. And all of a sudden, if you hit on all these picks, which their general manager, I think John Eric Sullivan is his name, who has been trained by probably the most consistent scouting staff in the league since the early 90s, does his job well, everything will work out big picture. But there is going to be a ton of pressure on this team over the course of the next two years in the drafts to hit on these guys. And I think part of the reason they wanted to take a little pressure off,

we get Malik Willis in here, it just gives us a little wiggle room because what if next year they win five or six games? And they're drafting ninth or 11th again, and not one. And they don't have the ability to get, let's say next year there's only two sweet quarterbacks. Like, you don't have to force feed it. And I don't think you ever want to be in a position where you're forcing a quarterback. We saw that with Tray Lance, we saw that with Anthony Richardson,

we saw that, it felt like with J.J. McCarthy. In those type situations, when you make deals out of desperation, or where you get yourself in trouble, whether it's in a relationship, whether it's in whatever businesses we all work in, or whether it's football. So I think that Miami is trying to just give themselves some wiggle room, give themselves some margin for error, have more picks, have a quarterback who you feel pretty good about, still young, and who knows?

Maybe he just becomes a good player. Like, I think he was a good player based on what we've seen in Green Bay last year, but if he can just maintain this and I can build around him, I don't have to force a quarterback if a pick that I don't have the ability to get one of the guys that I want. Because I think any time that you're forcing a quarterback and taking a guy that you don't feel great about,

that's in the first round, that's where it blows up in your face. So props to Miami for blowing this, you know what up. and I'm going to be fascinated to see what they do in the draft. I see a lot of people there. Take a wide receiver. You don't have to do anything. When you have $175 million in Dead Cap, you're just going to take the best player available.

They don't have to take a wide receiver at 11. They don't have to take a wide receiver at 30. They just need to take high-end players who are going to be second contract guys for them and good for them for a while. It's not about filling a positional need at this point. It's about getting the organization and the franchise moving in the right direction.

Because the other problem is, is obviously the Jets are a laughing stock, not just in the NFL, but in all of American sports. You know who's not a laughing stock? The New England Patriots now with Mike Frable and Drake May. Obviously, the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen. That's four games a year. That, you know, this year you probably get swept, you know,

which is fine. And I think best case scenario, if you're Miami, is Malik Willis shows signs of being a good player, and you lose a lot of games. It's like you feel pretty good about it. Malik, but you don't like win more than four games. And your coach kind of gets to work out the kinks of being the head man, what it feels like to be the guy in charge.

And then in 2007, you've had a good draft class. You have more opportunities with high picks in each round to kind of really get this thing moving in the right direction. And this is what a lot of good teams just can't ever fathom doing. Like Sean McVeigh is on Amazon Prime with Al Michaels or Noah Eagle or whoever. before he's ever doing this. Right. Kyle Shanahan is quitting the 49ers before he's ever doing this.

This is not something that veteran guys trying to win are going to partake in. This is the type organization that when you hire two first-time GM and head coach and you give them the latitude and the responsibility of like, it's cool, man. Or like, I'm not going to hold you accountable for having a terrible first year. because that's what the Jets, it felt like, oh, they're actually kind of close, they got some good players, they joined Justin Fields,

and then they were just like an all-time abomination. And now it feels like everyone's kind of walking on eggshells and potentially everyone gets fired at the end of the year when they suck again. And it's pretty clear that Stephen Ross laid it on the table of like, I'm cool with you doing this, right? I'm cool with not quote-unquote tanking,

but you can tank through getting rid of all of our players and just not having a good team and building around and playing all the young guys all season long and getting making them you know working on their development for a couple years when we're ready to roll

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Three times second team all pro. Obviously, when he's right, he's one of the, I don't know, best five wide receivers in the league, physically. He's just a beast. Like, that trade, like, I'm hanging up if you're offering me picks in the late 50s, right? Then this happens this morning. And if you're Howie, like, okay, if you call on A.J. Brown, this is the world we're in. And let's be real, AJ Brown is way more accomplished than this guy.

So if they're doing a pick swap in the fourth, they're getting a third and a first round pick. Like, if you start the conversation with less than that, like, I'm just going to hang. up on you. Because at the end of the day, I will keep the player before I give him to you for like a second and a fourth round pick. That is not happening. The market is now set. We talk about in real estate all the time. If your next door neighbor's house sells for 600 grand and you live right next to him, same floor plan, similar lot, and you're trying to sell for $1.5 million, good luck, buddy. Godspeed. The market is no different in football. Player. comps are a big deal, whether it's free agency or trades.

And I think the Jalen Waddle trade for all the teams in the AJ Brown sweepstakes, got to be like, holy, Sean, did you really have to do that? Because how he can't, in good conscience, pull the trigger on a trade that at minimum isn't exactly that. So a pick in the late 20s and a third round pick, and let's be real, you probably want more. I mean, Trent McDuffie, who is a multiple-time all-pro, widely considered one of, if not the best slot corners

and can be a really good player outside as well, got traded for pick 29 and a bunch of stuff in the 6th and 7th round. Now, that was a little more complicated because they had to give them a big contract extension. But like, pick 29's last time I checked, a lot more valuable than late 2ndnd round picks. You take pick 29 over a second and a third late in each round. And that's where I think it got really complicated.

And we've been saying for a while, the AJ Brown situation feels like it's at a little bit of a halt. It feels like it's not really moving. I actually think this makes it even worse because Howie's market is kind of set. Like, I want more than what they just got, right? It's not like Jalen Waddles. You know, the big thing on, you know, you traded two first round picks for Max Crosby's 28. years old, going to turn 29. Google how old Gaila Waddle is.

Not exactly like he's 23 years old. 28 years old. So I think that factors into the AJ situation. And I think it complicates it dramatically for the New England Patriots who have been rumored to not just be interested, but it makes a lot of sense. You put him with Romeo Dobbs, get him with Mike Vrable. It's like, okay, we want your late first round pick. And I mean, at minimum, like a second round next year.

that would be like the starting point if you're only willing to give us one pick this year. Like we're going to need something very valuable next year. And it's going to be fascinating. I think how people have been saying like he's been asking for a lot. Not only does that not change now, you could argue he asked for more, which makes us really fun. I'm really glad this happened. Thank you, Sean Payton.

Thanks you for the Miami Dolphins. We really appreciate you guys doing business on a slow week. I clicked on because it came up on my feed, Max Crosby, who did a podcast, about the day or the couple days when he got traded and then when he flew back there and kind of broke it down how it all went down. And clearly he was pretty rattled and it was probably a crazy moment for him. He said he's never experienced anything quite like that. The one thing that he said that really stood out is because he had some prior engagements, he didn't get. there till Tuesday morning to the team facility. And he said when he showed up to the team facility, he didn't see the head coach or the

GM. He didn't see either one of those guys till the end of the day. Now, in my experience, when you trade for a player, I remember when I was with the Eagles and we traded for D'Amico Ryans, who, if memory serves me correct, it was like a fourth round pick. So this wasn't some Max Crosby Hall. you know who he was immediately greeted by or whether it was me or someone else

when you meet him at the front office or the front gate when Don brought him in you bring him right to Howie and Andy that's immediately what you do how often do we see videos when a player is traded for and he walks through the double doors of the team facility who is typically waiting to talk to him

the coach or the GM or both why because it's a really big deal when you trade especially anything of value for the player. I said this last week and after hearing him, I believe it even more. I think before he even got the physical, they had pivoted to Trey because they knew the number had come down dramatically and they realized like, let's just put them through the process of the physical and then bow out.

I think the moment Max Crosby walked through those doors and was sent to the different doctors in Baltimore, the Ravens were. already pivoting. I 100% believe that and I think by the actions of the front office and listen, it's their prerogative. Nothing is official. Like at one point in time, I would say it was really sleazy and shady and I get what people are saying, but the rules are the rules. It's like we see it in college football. It's like, how are you sending DMs to another guy and another roster offer? Because that's the rules right now. There aren't any. And to me, in a period where nothing is official. I have

less anger or emotion for people saying like actually I don't want to do this. Now you can say it's not great business, it's not above board. They clearly got cold feet though and they pivoted and they knew they could pivot with

Trey Hendrickson. So when Max says that he goes through and he doesn't see the GM or the head coach after they just traded for two first round picks for the player till way after he does the medical, I call BS. And then he said the moment he went to the office, he could tell something was way off and he finds out that they're backing out. So, listen, I think the entire

league believes that the Baltimore Ravens, before he ever stepped foot over the course of Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, once they saw the market play out that they could get their picks back because they weren't like contractually bound. and the league office had an officially rubber stamp that this trade had gone through, had moved, had changed their mind, which for a lot of us, right, when you buy a car, you buy a house, you buy things, you change your mind all the time. I said this example the other day, my wife's in real estate, I see her have buyers and sellers change their mind constantly and back out of deals.

It's pretty abnormal. It doesn't typically happen at this level. level, but that's exactly what the Baltimore Ravens did. And they can say the physical stuff, as rap sheet said that day, there is no such thing as a failed physical. These things aren't black and white. It's all subjective. But I think it was an easy one to say, we're not comfortable with it.

We're not comfortable with what we see, even though the doctor, Dr. Eletross, who works on all the top guys, all the players, all the athletes, has been at a bit. he's completely fine, this looks completely normal, he is going to be healthy. They didn't give a shit what he said, because it didn't matter. Because he could have said whatever, their minds were already made up. And like I said, I understand it. I've probably backed out of stuff, you've backed out of stuff, it's kind of life. Unless you are contractually bound or whatever business you're in like the NFL,

officially, you know, like you can't pivot. the deal's done. In these situations, like, it's ripe to happen more, honestly, with this period where nothing is official, yet everything is going on. Because if you see something, if you see a better option, there's a very competitive league. And like I said, and I'm not defending the Ravens. My point is simply like, this was an option for them.

If it wasn't an option, Max Crosby would be on the Baltimore Ravens. They would have had no choice. But it was an option. And then they started weighing their options. And they knew there was an off-ramp. And that off-ramp was, yeah, we're not comfortable with the medical. That was their off-ramp. And as Max says, flies back to the Raiders, comes in the next morning, tells everyone I'm all in.

He's fired up on all the signings, and now he's on the Raiders. And everything happens for a reason. This was a guy that didn't even want, you know, forever, like, wanted to be loyal. Things got weird at the end of last year. Clearly they have pivoted. Now I would just expect Matt Liner to be. on the Raiders moving forward. The other story I saw was Matt Leiner,

legendary USC quarterback Heisman Trophy winner, national champion says, I don't know if he was on a podcast or an interview said that people at USC over the last several years have been reaching out about unretiring his number to use to give to a recruit. And every single time he laughs, he goes,

I'm not unretiring my number for you to give to a recruit who could be gone in six months. And I started thinking like in this day and age of NIL, which is all over the map, I mean, LSU is currently being sued for using their public funds on revenue sharing, they're trying to not show how much they're given because they're these new rules. This company has to vet all the NIL deals and all these teams have 30, 40, 50 million dollar rosters yet there's only been $160 million in NIL deals that have been vetted and approved. So we got a lot of moving parts here. But the one thing I know, if you're a college football fan,

which I am and I know many of you are, that when a player walks onto campus, whether it's a massive recruit and USC had a top recruiting class, now a big reason for that was not because they have some fantastic recruiting pitch. Not because they've been winning a bunch of playoff games over the course the last three or four years. It's because California now has a rule that a bunch of other states do not that they can pay the guys, give them their NIL signing bonus while they are still in high school. So they are paying these guys up front cash to get them to commit. The other guys are just signing a contract

for when they get to campus, then they start getting paid. Which I don't blame USC for taking advantage of that. But let's be real, they're getting these guys simply because of the money loophole that they have working to their advantage. I think the money was all equal. A lot of these guys would end up at other programs. How would they not? USC, the brand recognition is nowhere near what it was in the liner days. Honestly, it's pretty bad. Right. And so when I see liner saying no, that is 100% the right move. Some of these kids don't even spend spring ball on campus. The amount of stories I've heard and read about a kid coming into school early at the end of the winter, going through spring ball and then putting himself in the transfer portal before the

summer is happening constantly now. There is no structure to the operation. And unlike the NFL, you know, I see a lot of this. They need to collectively bargain. Well, why would the players collectively bargain? They get everything they want now. The reason the NFL players are always pushing back is because they want more, because the owners, what they feel, are hoarding and doing everything they can to pay them the least amount of possible. Right now, if you're a player in college football or basketball, you're in 100% control. You can leave whatever you want, you can, especially if you're a good player, you can ask for whatever you want,

and you're going to have multiple people willing to pay you. So in what world would they come to the table and be like, we want to work with you. Right now, and listen, for a long time, they got royally screwed. I mean, obviously a lot of programs like USC were giving these guys brown bags, but there's a big difference in, yeah, I'm getting seven figures and getting 20 grand in cash in a brown bag

and maybe a lease for a car. Now I get the car, I get the seven figures, and I don't even need to go to school. And if it doesn't go well, I will hit the transfer portal and I will get that money from someone else. Before, you were kind of stuck. You wouldn't transfer because you wouldn't want to sit out of year. So I think Liner's point is more of a reflection of the current status of college football. You can't feel good about any player staying for any length of time. And it's always been that way with coaches, unless at the top, you know, several universities where it's like,

Ryan Day, leave in Ohio State. Kirby ain't leaving Georgia unless they go to the NFL, which I don't think anyone's held it against a college coach for leaving for an NFL job. It's when they start bouncing around, you know, kind of like Elaine Kiffin, but at the same time, it's like, well, most coaches in the history of the sport would have left Ole Miss for LSU. Like, that's not a crazy move. But it's going to be fascinating to watch this all play out.

I think a lot of people don't quite comprehend the NIL, that they're trying to regulate it and all these numbers getting vetted and none of these teams and coaches are following that vetting process because they'll just do whatever it takes to get the player on campus as they should and have the NCAA.

Now you could also argue that the NCAA that the sport of college football with the money now that it's getting funneled to the players has outgrown the NCAA. And when I was an indie for the combine, You see the NCAA offices.

You're like, yeah, I don't know how much longer you got. You guys are in major trouble. And it's also complicated stuff with if you start paying, paying the players collectively bargained. The athletic department basically crumbles. Basketball would survive, but basically every sport. All the women's sports, all the non-revenue guy sports, they just, they don't pencil. I mean, they've never penciled, but they've always been subsidized by football. If football ever starts keeping their money, like the NFL, the NFL doesn't subsidize men's soccer, right?

The NFL doesn't subsidize the softball team flying all around. They don't pay for any of that shit. In college, football team's cutting the checks for all that stuff. The volleyball coach, where do you think that money comes from? The revenue from the football team. And rightfully so, like, that's just the model of the business. But that has dramatically changed, and I think we're only heading for, more change when it comes to kind of that avenue.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about, what we should call it.

We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigley. Michael and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay.

Jench and win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Let's bang out a couple quick mailbag questions. I'm recording this before the WBC game, USA against Venezuela. I have watched, I mean, Italians had a hell of a run. It kind of sucks. Ideally, it would be Japan against America for Otani. But this tournament has been fantastic.

And I think we'll just go with this question. Your podcast continues to help me get through the workday. Not a football question, but watching the WBC and just baseball as a whole, I got to admit it's grown on me. I started only paying attention recently these past few years because I've been hitting some parlayes and wanted to know what I was betting. But now after watching it, I'm at the point where it's just really entertaining. Keep up the good work. I think one thing is very evident.

When things feel big, and this is a problem, like baseball regular season can be a slog. The basketball regular season is now an abomination. It's like the teams don't even care. How am I supposed to care? and when events feel impactful and important, I've said this forever, like, I'm not into like dungeons and dragons, but when I felt like everyone's watching Game of Thrones,

I got a little foam-off. That's not the type show. If it wasn't some massive hit, I wouldn't have watched it. But, like, I had to watch because I kind of like keeping track of the big shows that everyone else is watching. And typically, the top shows that feel like

are pretty universally agreed upon is a great show, I'm in agreement as well. That was one like, this isn't really my speed, but there's enough violence and sex that, like, I'm in. Like, would I normally watch a show with Dragons? No. But it feels important like, I got to watch. And baseball playoffs have really felt like that, right? With Otani the last couple years in the Dodgers. They feel big.

This is a problem for basketball. Like, the Oklahoma City Thunder are, I mean, more than likely they win back-to-back championships. It doesn't feel that important to watch. watch them. It really doesn't. And they're having a great run. And if you live in that area, it's got to be badass. I grew up around a small market team in the Sacramento Kings. Like, I get it. But I also understand now from my point of view of like, I don't care. I will not watch them. If it's not Steph Curry, if it's not Luke and LeBron, and it's not Yokic, I'm not turning on the game because I don't feel like it matters. And baseball, this is where the Dodgers are

important, like they do feel like they matter. And a huge part of that is Otani. In this dynasty. I was living in the Bay Area when Kevin Durant came to the Warriors. Like, he kind of had to pay attention when LeBron was on the heat. People like, and let's face it, like, we argue over what's the number two overall sport. My guy Ethan Strauss wrote an article going back and forth with basketball and baseball.

Basketball is way bigger in the 2010s. And now baseball, the World Series, is outdrawing the NBA finals. I've come to the conclusion there is no number two sport in America. It's just all kind of up for grabs. And when you have the right stars, the right momentum, the right brands, you can grab that slot. But right now football is in its own stratosphere and everyone's fighting for scraps. And if basketball, if you get the right, if you get a Steph Curry,

if you get a LeBron in the mix, like people are going to pay attention. Like, the casual fan is just not going to watch OKC San Antonio. I promise you they're not. No different than the casual fan. fan is not watching two small markets in baseball playing the World Series. But if you tell me it's Dodgers and Yankees making runs, like people are paying attention.

And if you tell me Rory last year winning the Masters, that peaked at 19 million. The putting perspective, the NBA finals last year, Indiana, and OKC, the first six games didn't top 10 million in any of the games. Why? Because it doesn't feel like I have to watch.

And the WBC has gained some momentum where it just feels kind of important. Now, does that lead into the regular season? I don't know, but it's hard to watch these games and think like, this is a really good product. This is really entertaining. And where I'm at now as a diehard sports fan, and in my 20s and even most of my 30s, I watched everything. I watched every Giants game. I watched every NBA game on T&T.

Obviously, I watched football, college and the pros. I just, I am 100, I'm all in on football and I watch golf. And then I watch things that matter. So what am I going to watch? The NCAA tournament. Right? The Masters, which I would watch no matter what. But the Kentucky Derby.

Do I like horse racing? I do not. But do I pay attention to the Kentucky Derby? I do. I know everyone talks shit about like Jake Paul fighting Anthony Joshua or Mike Tyson. It feels like a lot of people are watching. So what do I do?

I turn that motherfucker on. That's how I consume these events. So if you don't feel big and I don't feel like a lot of people are watching you and now that I have the numbers, I know if they are or not, I don't pay attention. I just pay attention to the stuff that matters non-football and golf.

And clearly so does the rest of America. Because we've never been more fragmented. We've never had more options, whether it's our phone, whether it's the streaming apps, whether it's whatever. Like part of the newspaper... I said this when everyone freaked out all the journals, when the Washington Post laid off all their sports section people. Everyone's like Jeff Bezos, that scumbag rich guy.

It's like, hey, you know you're blaming the wrong person? You should blame me. because historically, I read the sports section. You couldn't pay me to do that now. The consumer habits have changed. And the way, and listen, this is why Adam Silver went with the NBA Cup, which I don't necessarily know if it's working or not, but I applaud the effort.

He's trying to make something important that feels big and for people to watch. And whether it works or not, only time will tell. But, like, that's his mindset, and I do understand it. The WBC didn't work that long ago. When I was at Fox with Colin a couple weeks ago, he was like, yeah, 5 million people watched the game the previous night, and this was before elimination stages. It just became big, feels big, and people are paying attention.

I'm sorry, but you and Colin are super dreamy about Mendoza. I'm sorry, but if you're talking about the number one overall pick and his comparison is Kirk Cousins, you can't take him number one overall. Quarterback inflation cannot be that bad, trade down like the Bears. Well, one, he's a better. a prospect than Kirk Cousins. But if you told me his career was Kirk Cousins.

Like, Kirk Cousins is proven if you do a good job building the team, you can go to the playoffs. He went to the playoffs in Minnesota. He went to the playoffs. You go twice with Minnesota? Where was he trying to think of his career?

Did he go with whatever, Washington? They had a good team in Minnesota a couple years ago when they won 12 games and they lost in that first round of the Giants. But they had a really good team. I think Mendoza is a better prospect, but if you told the Raiders that you were going to get the Kirk Cousin good version for like

seven, eight years, they would take that. They really would. The problem is when your comp is to Kirk Cousins, a lot of times that player turns into Kenny Pickett. Because Kirk Cousin's ceiling is not that high. But

Kirk Cousins reached his ceiling. So to me, if you can get Kirk Cousins, his ceiling, what he became, and you have a guy that you're drafting who actually has a higher ceiling than Kirk Cousins, it's a no-brainer number one pick. Like I saw this article about Russell Wilson today. Russell Wilson, who knows? He might be done playing in the NFL.

His only options potentially could be some veteran minimum options. Who knows if he'd even take that $1.3 million. Who knows if anyone's even going to want him? And I think things have turned so negative. Like, you know, Russell Wilson, the way these last four or five years is, been an embarrassment. His career has been a raging success. He was a third round pick who made $315 million, who won a Super Bowl as a starting quarterback, who went back to a Super Bowl's starting quarterback, and then became a consistent pro-ball player whose team was making the

playoffs. Russell Wilson changed the sport. It made people believe that small quarterbacks could play in the National Football League at a high level. And as we've learned since Russell Wilson, that is extremely hit or miss. And Russell is an outlier. But, like, Kirk Cousins gets act like he's some scrub. I saw Kurt Cousins beat the New Orleans Saints in a playoff game. I remember witnessing that in New Orleans.

That happened. Game winning throw. So I guess that was with Mike Zimmer. So he won a playoff game. He lost another one. but when he was on a good team, he could make the playoffs. And honestly, give you a chance to win a playoff game, as he did. So there's a fine line.

Like, Tua, you were never winning a playoff game with Tua Tunga by little. Was never happening. But you're the one playoff games with Jordan Love. If I told you that Fernando Mendoza is Jordan Love, you'd like, ah, like a little more. I'd be like, I'd pull the trigger immediately if you told me that was Jordan Love. Have you watched the Raiders? You see what they're playing with? Do you see what most quarterback play is?

Like, yeah, you want Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. Guess what? Those guys aren't growing on trees. Last time I checked, I don't see many Lamar Jackson's running around. Most of these guys are pretty rare of the top guys. It's like if you're playing football in 1992, it's like, yeah, there aren't many Dan Marino, John Elway's and Steve Young's rolling around. But if you can get a solid starter, like, you can win with.

And if that guy can maximize his career and you can do a good job building, all of a sudden, Rich Gannon wins an MVP. Until Rich Gannon got to the Raiders, he was not viewed as a good player. If a guy has the requisite talent and has the intangibles, wiring, and work ethic, it's on the GM and coach to figure it out. And that's where I think we are with Fernando Mendoza. It's pressures on Spitech and Kubiak. Headed to Scottsdale for the Grass League Championship.

Any wrecks in Old Town? Thanks, dude. I would say the mission. I would say the mission's a spot that's excellent. If you want to go a little bit past Old Town toward like Paradise Valley, Houston's is my favorite restaurant. I went there. I used to live pretty close.

I went there probably 25 times. I haven't been back because I don't live that close to it now, but I think about it, I don't know, twice a week. They have a dish, the rib dish. It's just, it's elite. I mean, it's... Houston's is one of those that's, like, perfect for me. It's a nice restaurant, but you could go in T-shirt and a hat.

and the prices are not crazy like Steakhouse, but you can get a real elite meal. And it's got a good vibe. It's just, it's one of my favorite spots in Scottsdale. We will end on this, the Dad Diaries. Follow up on your Dad Diary. When my daughter was 18, or was a baby, she's 18 now, she had a major blowout.

I put her on the changing table. Then she started doing the alligator death roll, slinging shit all over the room, shit covered hands on the wall all over her and myself. I just put her in the tub to clean her off, took me over two hours to clean her the room than myself. Good times ahead, bro. We have not got the ability to do any roles yet. I didn't go to the appointment yesterday, but he had like a couple month checkup. And for those of those of the of you that have had young babies, you know, tummy time. It like builds their neck muscles. You basically put them on their stomach. And if they're not on their stomach enough, it can

like flatten the back of their head. So you got to try to work on tummy time. It's something we probably haven't done a great job of. I've got to do a little more tummy time. But he can't roll. It can't really even crawl yet. One problem we're having is he's at almost the nine week mark, trying to get a little rhythm, right? Trying to get some consistency. Now, as, A wise man told me a while back, it's like, you can want, you can read all the books you want. Every kid's a little different. They all kind of beat to their own drum. You can try.

And eventually it will work. But you're going to go through a stretch where, I mean, she's on Chad GPT. She's showing, I mean, she logs every time he eats, every time he sleeps. She gave all the information to Chad GBT. And was basically begging the AI robot to break down the schedule that we should. you keep them on. And this chat GPT schedule that it spit back at us was fucking incredible. I mean, we got this thing laminated, printed out. We're just all fired up. Just full of piss and vinegar excited. We're like, we're going to, he's going to sleep like three different naps. He'll be in

bed by nine. He'll sleep till like three or four. That'll be his first feeding. He'll go back to bed to like eight. First day's been a disaster. I mean, this kid is, it's like he free base Red Bull. I mean, the energy he has. He's been up. He's been screaming sounds. He's doing like ninja punches and kicks. He's shitting all over the place. He's like, you guys want me to nap?

I'm not on my watch, homie. And today has been pretty brutal. And I see what she goes through. I can't. The respect I have for the women that just spent all day, every day, with these newborns and infants in the first several months, it is really mentally taxing. It is, I've done some hard jobs in my life.

I got thrown on the ranch, the hoeing crew in 115 degrees. I've worked crazy construction jobs that are physically taxing. I've obviously had some mentally taxing jobs working for Howie that is just pressure and the stress. There is nothing quite like this where you just, you have no answers. And there's just not much you can do. and then you get moments where they're crying and you're just like, man, I have no clue. I don't, you're just had a loss.

I mean, you're firing questions off the Chad GPT. You're calling your friends. You just hitting your knees and praying. You're just trying to make it to the next day. And there's a level of, I mean, the lack of sleep. Like she said, she hasn't really slept in eight weeks. Just a night where she just gets to go to bed at 10 o'clock and wake up at 7. Like those days just are not only non-existent,

you know every single night that I'm going to be woken up multiple times and just going to be tired constantly. It's one of those, well, you got to nap when they're napping. Well, he doesn't nap for like longer than an hour. And as you get older, it's harder to just lay down in the middle of the day and take a fucking snooze when you've got a million other things to do. So it's a grind. I would say this, anyone thinking about it, just as my former predict,

who's now on the Joe and Jada podcast, James told me, buckle up. That's what he said. And at first I was like, oh, this guy, you know, that is the advice I will give to every future parent. Just buckle up. Because you can be told. You can hear the war stories.

You can see your family members, your close friends have babies, but you can always hop in your car and go home. hell you can stay with them and kind of see it go through a day or two at the lake, wherever, vacation. Day after day, after day, after day. She used to joke with me when she was pregnant

and say, you know, you're not going to have a day to relax for the next 18, 20 years. I used to be like, bullshit. I don't believe that because as he gets older, I love friends. We'll play golf like, well, a normal life. But as one of you guys DM me a while back, it's the fog of war.

and it is relentless and you're in it and you're looking around and there's I think she she had said something she's on Instagram and it's true of all the animals

if you just take the animal kingdom right bears lions birds you name it dogs a child is the only you know thing that's born and immediately for the

for seer future can't do a goddamn thing by itself. So without its parents, its guardians, whoever's watching over it, like, you watch enough animal planning it, like after a while, these lions, you know, a couple months in, you start figuring out a way, you walk around, you can just find water, you can just do things. They can do nothing. And it's all on you. And it's, listen, it's fun.

It's a very blessed to have a healthy child who's growing and eating. but there is no disputing. It is difficult. It is not easy. And I have the easy end of the stick. Like the very easy end of the stick. And I sometimes like, damn, this is a challenge. Then you just think, like, in the history of time, everyone's done it.

So it's like, I can do it. But there are days where it'll tax. It'll tax the home. It can be a grind And it's a fun grind Love the little guy We just like him to take a nap Adios, have a great day

See you guys later The Volume Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers, I'm Joe I'm Kevin And I'm Nick and guess what We created our own podcast Called

Hey Jonas We invented a podcast Well we didn't invent it We just contributed to it We're the first people to do podcasts We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it,

but, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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