The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Draft Day 2 Reactions: Shedeur Sanders Falls to Day 3, Shough to Saints, Milroe to Seahawks

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

Middlekauff REACTS to all things NFL Draft on day 2 from Green Bay, Wisconsin. John dives into the continuous fall of former Colorado star Shedeur Sanders and his prospects of being selected on Day 3. John disagrees with the selections of Tyler Shough from the New Orleans Saints, Jalen Milroe from the Seattle Seahawks, and Dillion Gabriel from the Cleveland Browns over Sanders. John further discusses if taking Sanders will be worth the publicity and if you are getting a motivated quarterback or a difficult one. John also discusses the good draft teams like the Chicago Bears and the Baltimore Ravens had. John wraps up by reacting to Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney's comments on impending free agent Aaron Rodgers. 00:21 - Shedeur Sanders Continues to Slide 06:18 -Tyler Shough 07:41 - Jalen Milroe 08:55 - Dillion Gabriel 19:01 -Chicago Bears Draft night 22:15 - Pittsburgh Steelers hoping on Aaron Rodgers decision 23:34 - New England Patriots snag Ohio State RB Treyveon Henderson 26:02 - Baltimore Ravens Good Draft Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I thought, you know what? Let's go in the old office and record a little podcast, record a little reaction to tonight, a story. that one day might become a 30 for 30, as someone said in our three and out text chain, that I was like, yeah, this is pretty nuts. We'll just dive right into it. Shador Sanders has, listen, sometimes stories can be overhyped.

Like last night, the Shadur Sanders, I don't watch the ESPN broadcast. I'm an NFL network guy, so I can't speak to the, the Mel Kiper, never shutting up about it. And I'm pro Mel Kiper, but I don't have, I did not watch his reaction last night,

which by all accounts was pretty aggressive constantly on a night when all these guys are getting drafted in the first round. Like, I understand the pushback. Tonight, like, it is kind of the story. And when you don't get drafted at all in the second and third round and countless other quarterbacks who we will dive into, that I think it's fair to say that you were a better prospect than get drafted over you.

Like, pretty crazy night. And I'm sure, like many of you, a million texts from count. countless people about one specific thing. Like, what's going on? How bad is it? Do people really hate him this much? Like, there's no way around it.

As we sit here tonight, the NFL does not like this guy. They do not like this guy. Because the tape, like, we've all seen it. We all watched him play. Football was fine. He was good. Now, we could nitpick him.

How good was he? Definitely good enough to be drafted in the top 95-100 picks. And the interview is like, The other thing is, you know, you see some of these former players that are up in arms, you know, trying to justify the madness of like, guys, do you know how many red flag guys were drafted in the first round? Like countless. Do you know how many guys tonight with massive red flags got drafted tonight? The Baltimore Ravens drafted a guy who was accused of sexual assault in high school and college. and they went to rap sheet after the pick

and he's like yeah a lot of teams were not comfortable with his answers on when asked and pressed about these situations during the process he was not on their draft board a lot of guys that get drafted all over the league not on draft boards and these are like criminal

legitimate things off the field that should terrify you and teams are like you know what great inside move can get to the passer good enough value draft them now so it gets to the the point of whatever they think and whatever happened between the season ending, which for Colorado was whatever at the end of December, to now during the draft process, the Senior Bowl, I guess

he went to the East West game, but the Combine, the personal interactions and interviews couldn't have been a bigger disaster. And it's been reported on, I honestly never really dug into it because I didn't really care that much. Plus, I didn't think it was going to be that big a deal because most stuff isn't that big a deal if you're a good player. They will overlook criminal fucking activity if you can play.

They literally did the night. And last night, red flags all over the place. Like, this guy can set the edge. This guy can protect our quarterback. This guy can score touchdowns. You know why? Because most of these guys, when they go into an interview situation, just like

all of us, are our best behavior. And it had been well reported back at the combine that whatever his interactions were with specific GMs and coaches was a disaster. And now it's not even disputable because it was like, you know, the Vegas Raiders, Tom Brady, he's a Shador Sanders guy. It felt like they had about 10 picks tonight. They're drafted small school offensive linemen, random wide receivers.

Not random, the TCU kid looks good. but honestly I kind of like the Raiders draft but the point is that they had countless opportunities to do it, didn't do it. The Steelers, it's one thing to pass them on them in the first round. They take a defensive tackle, they don't have a second round pick but all we heard, and I've said this over, I believed it. Mike Tomlin loves Shador.

It's like, yeah, I can see it. It's just Tomlin, Dion, probably buddies, probably known Shador for a long time, likes them, they need a quarterback. Then they get the opportunity to draft them in the third round and they don't. And you're like, this thing's probably over.

And now you wonder, like, where's he going to go? Because last year you had six guys get drafted in the top 12 picks. None of those teams are an option for them. And then I was thinking you have a bunch of veteran quarterbacks, right? Guys like Mahomes or Lamar or Herbert or Burrow, you just go, the Jalen Hertz, right? Just all the veteran quarterbacks. Those teams who are going to get to a point like, is there value? you in this? Do they want to just bring the hoopla that is now behind this? Because now this story

went from like an intriguing story in the first round to like a way bigger story now through the second and the third round. I can't tell you the variety of individuals I have gotten text messages about specifically about this player, which is unheard of. Usually it's like, what do you think about so-and-so's team draft? You like what you like what the Raiders did. Tonight it's like NFL players, dudes around the NBA, former coaches, current coaches, scouts. I mean, the opinions, everyone's got an opinion and a thought, and they're all in agreement. The NFL can't stand this guy. And no one can argue that.

And listen, I've said over and over, like, I thought he's a pretty good player. I wouldn't say he's Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning, but definitely worthy of a top 100 draft pick, especially in a league where a guy like Tyler Shuck, I like Kellan Moore. I'm pro-Kellen Moore. I'm rooting for Kellynne Moore. Doug Nussmeyer, I worked with him back at Fresno State. He's Kellan's right-hand man. As offensive coordinator, he's the dad of Garrett, the LSU quarterback.

I'm pro the Nussmire Moore combination. I can't get behind this Tyler Shuck pick. I mean, he's older than Brock Purdy, who is a four-year college starter and who has been a three-year NFL starter. Like, I'm sorry, the advantage you have, he's been replaced in two programs. As someone said on the broadcast tonight, he was a multi-year backup for Justin Herbert.

Justin Herbert is in like year two or three of his contract extension in the NFL. So the advantage I have as a 25, 26-year-old of knowledge playing in college football for years going up against DBs that are 18, 19, 20 years, old, yeah, I'm going to look good. I get he throws a nice ball. I'm sorry, I'm out on that draft pick. Now, the dog video was really cool. I'm behind that. But in terms of like thinking that,

I don't know, I think that one's insane. The Jalen Milrow pick. Like, you couldn't watch Jalen Milrow this year and think he's a better player than Shador Sanders at quarterback. But where does Mike McDonald come from? The Ravens. Who did he have a front row seat for? Jackson. What was everyone saying a couple weeks ago? Hell, I think even Andrew Barry said it in his press conference last week. The Jalen Milrow will be the only guy in the league who's faster than Lamar. And this guy is a freak athlete. And if you just watch the first half of Georgia, he could have been the number one overall pick. Now, you can watch other games where he looks like an undrafted free agent. But Mike McDonald, and here's the thing, especially first and second and third year,

coaches, they go based off experience of where they previously used to be. I understand that pick. Plus in the third round, like Malik Willis was a third round pick. Jalen Millrell, clearly high character, good guy. I would imagine interviewed pretty well. And you take a chance. And you're not forcing him to play. Hell, he's their third stringer. Right? They got Sam Darnel's their starter, Drew locks their backup, and he'll be their third stringer, and they just work with him as a project. Worst case, he's Malik Willis, who actually had a good game this year.

but I mean, best case that they can develop him into something. The Dylan Gabriel one with Cleveland is. Now, I don't like necessarily Shador and Cleveland either. To me, he's got to be in a good weather dome environment. And I think that for any weak arm or average arm quarterback, and that's what Dylan Gabriel is. When I think Dylan Gabriel, I do not think Cleveland, Ohio, wind pumping, playing the Baltimore Ravens or the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I think that picks kind of crazy. And even Rapsheet, when he came on television tonight, He's like, guys, clearly he had talked to someone in Cleveland, like, get ready. There's a decent chance that Dylan Gabriel is going to be off the board before Shador. But I saw Colin go on, you know, a rant on his television show today about humility. And I had said something weeks ago when I think Todd McShay had brought up how bad his interviews went. And I had said, this might have been a month or two ago, whenever that story first broke. I said, all these guys are used to.

every single scout, every single GM, every single coach. If you've been in the league a while, you have talked to a million prospects. And 99% of them go the same way. It doesn't mean they go well in terms of like you come away. Oh, this guy's really smart or this guy loves football or whatever. But most guys are just like we all doing interviews, try to be on our best behavior. And just try to be really respectful and just do everything in a positive light. And some of these guys, right, if you've been in trouble, you're getting asked tough questions,

it's not a comfortable environment all the time. But guys are just trying to be really good, right, in terms of like, I want them to like me. Why? These are a million-dollar job opportunities. So I would say most of these situations, especially with quarterback, are all like, you know, really good kid. Can't play, but really good kid. Like them.

And you want most of your quarterbacks, and historically they have been, beside the great ones. Now, if you're great, if you're a great player, you can kind of act like however you want to act. Why? Because you're that good. And this is pro sports. And at the end of the day, there are only so many great players. So if I'm Abdul Carter and certain teams want me to come interview and come to 30 visits and I say, you know what, kiss my ass. I can do that because I'm Abdul Carter. You know where I can't do that? If I'm like a guy that's going to go in the third or fourth round, that's just dumb, bad business. And I think whatever happened with Chador the disconnect between reality and what like the, it's not one team. This is the entire

league. And the entire league is clearly really turned off. I didn't see it coming. Honestly, I wasn't even paying attention because I didn't even think this was possible. And now we're sitting at a spot. We're going into Saturday morning. I mean, Mike Florio posted, and honestly, it's not the craziest take. He's lost so much money. And he was clearly making a lot of money at Colorado that can he figure out a way to go back to school? Now the rules say he's already too far deep. He can't come back. But as Florio wrote, like, everyone's suing the NCAA.

And they just wilt because they don't want to lose. They just give in and they lose every lawsuit. So is it the craziest thing? Now, Florio thought he should go back to school and go play for someone other than Dion to try to, I don't know, bump up his stock. Because you don't even need to, like Jalen Milro did not have a good season. got drafted in the third round.

Tyler Shuck, not a soul was talking about Tyler Shuck up until like the combine. Like you don't even need, like the crazy part is getting drafted sometimes is not about like, especially in the second third round.

It's about traits. It's about, and he was, played pretty well. So I'm kind of shocked like most people. I didn't expect him not to get drafted in the second or the third round. I guess maybe I'm naive

Maybe I'm and listen I don't buy into like all the bullshit you see on TV But like I've watched football long enough to know what like a second or third round prospect It looks like I thought you'd get drafted in the second round But clearly I mean teams like the Raiders are a good example They play in a don't Their their pseudo minority owner Tom Brady like has a close relationship

Like known this guy for a while and the Raiders brought him in for a visit. And Pete Carroll is, I would say, as open-minded and liberal with like all the, everything that goes on with players as any coach in the league. Well, I'd say, Andy's up there. You know, the Chiefs, you know,

a few red flags with their draft picks. But you can do that. It just shows you like, if people think you can play, they will basically overlook anything. that's the craziest part anything. I mean the amount of guys who's

like off the field red flags are way worse than anything we've ever heard from Shador of just like not showing respect to a head coach which is kind of crazy. I mean I'm sorry. Like if you're meeting with people and not doing everything possible as a quarterback

to just try to impress them and show that you're a good guy, like I judge you too if I was in their shoes. I don't blame them if that's, what happened. And the only people that know about these interactions are these coaches and these GMs and a couple got out, but it was clearly a way

worse than we knew. Like there's no disputing that now. There's just no one can argue that. And I just think that this is one of those stories. Is this one of the worst? Slides, it's hard to say slides because like did he fall out of the first round? Most people didn't have

a first round grade on him. But to not get drafted today, I'd say is one of the more eye-opening moments in recent memory. I mean, he's doing, he's on the commercial where he says it's legendary. I wouldn't say getting drafted on Saturday morning when they start going to like, I mean, think about the stupid stuff they do on Saturday during the draft. It gets real.

I love football. I make my living off talking about it. Saturday during the draft can be a difficult watch. It's usually when a lot of coaches and GM start doing interviews. views in the middle of the draft. Draft rooms, doors are wide open, people going in and out, eating food. It is much more relaxed. I mean, the first round is like a very stiff night in these buildings.

Second round relaxes a little bit. The Saturday is a free-for-all. I mean, depending on where you are, beers might start coming out in the six-six rounds. So if you said, what round is he get drafted in tomorrow, John? I'd be like, I don't know. I mean, at this point in time, if you tell me no team. drafts them, I'd say that sounds pretty crazy, but how's that not believable at this point? Is he like some lock to get drafted in the fourth round?

How could you say that? I mean, third round picks, this was known as one of the worst drafts in recent memory. And maybe it'd be one thing if like no quarterbacks coming off the board, but Jalen, Milro, Dylan Gabriel, and Tyler Shuck are flying off the board. So, man, you interview with people? I wonder if he would like to have do-overs on that one. And at this point in time, wherever he does end up, assuming that he can't go back to college, talk about the ultimate humble pie.

Holy shit. It would be interesting to see once Dion, because I would imagine, you know, Dion's going to be a hot ticket. People are going to want to talk to him come Monday and Tuesday, whether it's first take, Rich Eisen, you know, people are going to want to get this dude on the horn. People want to get a camera on this guy and get some takes from Dion Sanders. And maybe that's part of it. You know, I mean, I remember, like, once you get to college football, a lot of college coaches are like, I don't want to talk to your mom and dad bitching about your playing time, right?

And that's in college. And now you get to the pros. Now, Deon's obviously a pretty, I mean, he's one of the greatest players in the history of the sport. I mean, he's one of the greatest athletes in the history of America. So, like, I'm not saying he shouldn't have opinions, but at the end of the day, he is the guy's dad. So it's like, do you want to see this guy's dad bitching him on? And I would imagine my guess would be he's going to be pretty pissed off. So now if I've drafted the guy in like the fourth or fifth round,

there's like a balance of like, am I getting like a humble, driven? Like I want to prove everyone wrong. Or are you getting really like an angry, just like kind of pouty guy? I mean, that's, it's who knows? And that's where I wonder if this thing could snowball and almost get worse. I would imagine it'd be hard. I know the floral thing going back to college. Like at this point in time, it'd be tough to like tuck.

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Listen, Fangio is going to go down as probably one of the best defensive coordinators of his generation. you would not want Vic Vanjo to be your head coach. So you could be a great defensive coordinator, have no business for running the team. They replaced him with this boy genius, offensive mind and Ben Johnson. Their offensive line was a joke. They immediately sign and trade for two guards in the center,

who are all good. They're going to lose Keenan Allen. They draft Luther Burden, who probably would go higher if they weren't for some off-the-field question marks. And who's a stud. I mean, he's just been one of the better players in the SEC the last couple years.

they draft like a I'm not saying he's Travis Kelsey but like that type tight end just in terms of great athlete movement route running just a stud to go with DJ more who's already on the team so it's like the offense they also have a tight end who they gave a contract extension to

I just don't know if it's humanly possible to add more to your offense for your young quarterback You know, a lot of people push back. This is the worst spot for Caleb to go. This is where quarterback careers go to die. It's like, I don't think Ryan Poles can do much more. They have given him even the mistakes they made last year by screwing it up with the offense.

Oh, and they drafted Rome last year. It's crazy. I mean, the expectation, obviously that division is going to be really hard. We know Minnesota, Green Bay, and Detroit are good. But there are no excuses for that offense for the coach and the quarterback. There's going to be a lot of pressure on those two individuals. And at the end of the day, like Ben Johnson, people think he's good. You know, Caleb has yet to prove in the NFL he's good.

So I'm fascinated to watch how this organization, who hasn't really been good, handles this pressure, which is hard. We saw the Jets last year who had been shitty for a decade. When you've been bad, it's hard all of a sudden to be like, you should win a 10 or 11 games. And the Jets had Aaron Rogers. And they completely got overwhelmed. And it was like, this is an embarrassment.

Now, sometimes you can flip up. around. Sometimes it's like, damn, these guys are actually pretty good. But I think the bears have done everything as an organization, if you're a fan, to like make sure the offense is in position to have no excuses and have success. It's all on just the quarterback running the genius offensive coordinator's plays correctly. Chiefs drafted a bunch of the linemen. Obviously, the offensive tackle in the first round, they drafted a couple defensive linemen tonight. Art Rooney, because when Rapsheet came on talking about if the Steelers would take Shador Sanders at pick 83, he's like, you know, Art Rooney actually just did a radio hit.

And he mentioned if we do draft a quarterback, he's definitely not playing this year. So he kind of alluded to, like, you're probably not taking Shador Sanders. And then he hinted at, yeah, we've talked to Aaron Rogers, we've been in contact. And all signs point to him wanting to be here. We think it'll get done soon. So we might have some Aaron Rogers news in the next couple days. maybe he officially signs with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And that would make them definitely more intriguing than they are right now,

given that they do not have a quarterback. I do like the running back that they took Caleb Johnson from Iowa. And this is the thing. They're going to be running backs taken today and even tomorrow that are going to be really good starters in the NFL. I would be stunned if the Iowa running back Caleb Johnson is not a productive player. and is not, I mean, the Steelers starter, and eventually be a belk out. Like, I'd expect him to be good.

I know the Broncos took the UCF kid. I don't know that much about him. I know they think he's a good wide receiving running back, but the other two running backs, like I think the Patriots getting Henderson from Ohio State. That's a pretty good pick. That guy, I think, honestly, the running backs, both Ohio State guys, going like essentially back-to-back picks 36 and 38. Junkins went to Cleveland who, you know, with Nick Chubb after he got injured,

was never quite the same. And I think he's a free agent right now. But Jenkins, who was an Ole Miss transfer, got outshined a little bit as the season went on by Henderson. But I think a lot of people in the NFL, if you just look at Junction's body of work at Ole Miss and then even this year, people like him a lot. So both those two guys. I mean, Ohio State at one point in time had six guys get drafted in the top 38, which I did the math. It was like 17% of the draft had been Ohio State players.

And the two best players on their team, Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith, are not even draft eligible. So think about the team just dominated and won the national championship. if it wasn't for one of the worst offensive game plans in the history of the football, they wouldn't have lost to Michigan. But they just littered the top of the draft with players. And their two best players

aren't even draft eligible. It's like tonight, as the draft goes on, it's like another guard from Georgia, another offensive line from Georgia, there's another guy from Georgia? Georgia and Ohio States, like they just have an unlimited amount. Even Texas now. It's crazy. I haven't done the math on

the second and third round. it feels like the SEC produced 70 to 75% of the draft picks through the top 100 picks. If you told me how many picks have there been, like 98, that, I don't know, 68 of the 100 picks

are SEC, I'd believe you. There have been 102 picks. My guess right now, and I'll look it up and we'll know tomorrow, of the 102 picks, I guess 70 are from the SEC.

That seems a little high. 66 are from the SEC. So essentially like 65, 64% of the draft has been the SEC. And then obviously another large percentage from the Big Ten. Other than that, I think the Raiders is just taking good players.

Pretty powerful story about the TCU wide receiver that they drafted, whose brother had died in the in that car terrorist attack in New Orleans. I remember the Senior Bowl when he came off the field and his family was right there and they all started crying. I think he was a Senior Bowl MVP.

I think he got the game winning touchdown. And watching some of the highlights tonight and the family, that was a really touching moment. I mean, honestly, a lot of these moments of these kids with their family, with their parents, with their grandparents, people that, it's one thing, obviously, people come into your life, you know, coaches and stuff through college. But these people, whoever raised you, you're tight-knit, you know, immediate family

that have been in your life when the only thing you had in common with the NFL is it was a dream and you loved sports at four, five, six, eight, nine, ten years old, whatever. And then to get that moment and getting drafted, obviously getting drafted in the first round is pretty cool. Getting drafted in the second and third round is pretty badass, too. I mean, the greatest player in the history of this poor Tom Brady was drafting the sixth round. So getting drafts on the second day is pretty cool. And that never gets old.

Seeing those clips of GMs and coaches on the phone with them, seeing their family just erupt. I think the dude the Eagles took at the end of the second round, had a bunch of people at his house, and he stood up and he told them all to be quiet, and they turned up the TV, and then whoever's announcing the pick, I think it was Bo Allen, you know, announces it and the place just goes nuts. It's just a very, in a world, listen, I can be pretty cynical. I can be pretty pessimistic like all of us.

I try to be an optimistic, upbeat, positive, class half full person. I really make a conscious effort to be like that. I try to surround myself with those type people. I think we're all more productive when we have more of a positive and optimistic spin on life than negative. But you're around long enough. you do enough deals, you're in the business world, you know, you live long enough to lose people in your life. Like, it's easy to be cynical.

And there is just something refreshing and positive and cool, and genuine about the draft. They're just, there's some human connection. And I think that, like, obviously football games and the NFL season and the college football season is a lot of fun. And there's a lot of passion. And we root for our teams and root for whoever we're gambling on. and it's a sense of community that way for any of you guys that go to games,

season ticket holders, whether it's college or pro. But there's just like something I think we all can relate to of like make you smile. When you watch these guys, you know, enjoy the moment. So many of these guys, the majority of them, are just like really good, high level dudes that just happened to have hit the genetic lottery.

And many of them, you know, obviously worked hard through college and were pushed hard at the best programs, whether it's from Ohio State or Bama or Georgia or wherever, mainly the SEC. But I just think tonight and even into tomorrow, like not everyone, obviously, some guys won't even get drafted, but the opportunity to play in the NFL, such a small percentage of people,

like I like probably many people watching or listening to this, you play high school football, and a tiny, tiny percentage of people from high school football go on to play Division I. college football, let alone college football at all. But Division I college football, the cream of the crop. There are only so many kids playing, you know, power for college football or even non-powerful,

places like Boise and, you know, Fresno and San Diego State. Like, it's got to be really, really good to play at these schools. And then a small percentage of those guys. I mean, I've gone to so many pro days over the years. Most guys at pro days are not going to play in the NFL. You know, we hype up these pro days when you go to like Ohio State pro day. Yeah, they got six or seven pros. But there's another 10 guys working out at that pro day

who are never going to get a phone call, who are never going to get invited to a training camp, who played at Ohio State. Who might even started at Ohio State. Ohio, I might have taken the wrong school. Let's say like Minnesota or Mississippi State. Like I played in the Big Ten, I played in the SEC. I was a starter.

I had a pro day. No one ever calls me. I never get the call. And I was like, I'm pretty good. I blocked a guy that's starting in the NFL. I made seven tackles against Ohio State or Michigan, right? So it's very, very difficult. I've always said, listen, I am much more comfortable

of being critical during the season of coaches and front offices because you don't need to be as talented to get to those spots. Now, obviously, the best at those positions, Andy Reed, Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Sean McVey, those guys are elite at what they do. but there are a lot of coaches assistants that are scam artists same thing with the scouting community you can't scam your way

to playing in the NFL you just cannot because you either have it or you don't and to get yourself there you have to have a body of work and then to get there and stay you got to be fucking good now maybe you could last

as a backup quarterback and not get forced into play but most other players right they rotate So if you're not a starter, you're playing on special teams, and it's extremely difficult. So nothing but respect for all these kids. Now, I guess some of these guys are, you're not a kid at 25. Like, you're a kid at 20.

Like the 49ers drafted, their first draft pick was 20 years old. Like, that's a kid. Tyler Shuck, feels like a grandpa. But very, very cool night. I enjoyed it a lot. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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