The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Draft Grades, Does it matter where you go to school, Does Shedeur like the attention

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

John does a massive mailbag that is centered around answering your draft questions. He dives into his thoughts on giving draft grades immediately after the draft, if it matters to teams where players went to college and how much of an impact the school could make on where you get picked. He also dives into a bunch of Shedeur questions and if after everything that has happened with him, does he like the attention that he's been getting. All that and more! 5:25 - Mailbag 12:34 - Does the school matter 15:04 - Does Shedeur like the attention 30:55 - Why did Ewers go so late 50:31 - Is Cam Ward the least talked about #1 pick Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Curious to know your thoughts on their draft. Saw a couple draft grades and the team got panned. I personally thought they made some great pitch. picks. One silly Shanahan reach with Watkins, the Ole Miss wide receiver, but everything else was value with the defensive line as the main focus. Every year the Niners get ridiculed in the draft, then the actual core talent is the rounds four through seven. How much stock should we even put into these draft grades? Listen, I mean, draft grades are the dumbest thing in the history of the internet in terms of to take them seriously. No one

has any clue. The graders, the teams, the actual players, the fans, no one knows shit. I mean,

no one has any clue. Now, totally understand why they do draft grades because the written word on the internet has never been less powerful, right?

The videos and podcasts wiped them out. But that is still something that gets people to click. I'm guilty. I see someone I'm like,

I'll click. And I've clicked on multiple draft grades. Not even because I care. I just can't help it. It's like an addiction. I've been doing it for multiple decades. No different than mock drafts. Think how irrelevant mock drafts are. Nobody knew that the jacks were going to trade up. Nobody. And then all of a sudden they trade up and the mock drafts are kind of irrelevant because all of a sudden Travis Hunter is not playing for the Browns and he's on the jacks. And then it sets off like a domino effect and it happens every year, but we consume a lot of mock drafts.

Kyle Shanhan said his wife called him on draft day that just said she looked at a mock draft and they really wanted Mikel Williams, the guy they ended up taking, and he was like picked 28 in the mock draft she looked at and says, Kyle, maybe she said, honey, maybe she said, babe. Are we sure that we're drafting the right guy? Are you overvaluing this player?

And even Kyle was like, had to rethink. But yeah, it's like the mock drafts, the draft grades impact the fun of this whole thing, but they don't matter. The 49ers, I've been to the majority of Kyle Shanahan training camps, and the one thing I've learned, you get really excited, like any training camp you go to, when you have a high pick. And we're doing the Raiders forever, Kahlia, Amari Cooper, back-to-back years.

You know, with the 49ers, they had Solomon Thomas and then Nick Bosa, I think, back-to-back years. Obviously, Trey Lance when they drafted really high. It's exciting to go see the first overall pick. But look at the names that I just gave out. Solomon Thomas never got his fifth year option picked up and was on like fourth different team. Trey Lance is one of the biggest draft whiffs of all time.

Why? Because Brock Purdy came in while he pipped him and it wasn't even close. Not a soul that was at training camp. Brock Purdy's rookie year went, hey, there's Brock Purdy. Do you know that this guy's going to become the starter? No one said that. Of course not.

No one ever would say that. And I think you've got to be very careful with just drafts. And this is why I don't get that into it beside like the super famous players. Because we see it every year. I've been to these practices where all of a sudden it's like, well, the third round guy is getting beat out by an undrafted free agent. The amount of guys that signed undrafted free agent contracts that will make teams for everybody is pretty mind-blown. And the thing with the 49ers was clear. I disagree with Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in terms of their emphasis on

offensive line, especially the tackle position. Like, they are just allergic to taking tackles. I would draft tackles, multiple tackles throughout the draft. I would treat them like other positions. Like, maybe we'll hit on a guy in the fourth round. I'm not looking for Trent Williams in the fourth round. But can't I get a serviceable player? And they just don't do that.

You know, now maybe they were in position and guys went above them. I know in the third round, the Raiders took a couple offensive linemen. They were probably interested in. But I asked around the NFL because I felt like I like Jalen Walker a little bit more than Michael Williams. I was rebuffed. Like Middilkoff, I think you're overhyping it. I didn't meet many people that I know that weren't extremely high on their first round pick. 6'5, 270 pounds.

Just, you know, he's a little stiff, but like he's got a chance to be a really, really good. player in the NFL. Their second pick is 6-5-6-6-330 pounds, the defensive lineman from Texas. That's where I got some, I think it's a little rich. A lot of teams put a lot of emphasis in pass-rushing from their interior defensive lineman. This guy's not really a pass-rusher. He's much more of a run stuffer, and he's battled defensive or injury concerns over the course of his career. But one thing with those first two picks, they got enormous human beings. And their defensive line is non-existent. It's like Nick Bosa, and then it's that Will Smith Giff,

where he walks into the mansion, everyone's gone. He's just standing on the rug looking around. That's what it looks like after they've literally got rid of everybody. So I never have a problem taking blue-chip players from blue-chip programs, and it's on you to coach them up, and their defensive line coach has had a lot of success. I think in the third round, they had drafted the kind of run-and-hit guy from Oklahoma State, which again, some of my friends didn't love the player. But, you know, you watch his highlights.

Howie Roseman talked about this over the course of the draft weekend. This game is so much about space and speed now, and that's what this guy is. But, I mean, put an emphasis on their later round picks. They have hit on a lot of those guys, but, you know, who knows? I don't know. So I have no issue. I'm not pushing back against people going their drafts suck. Like, nobody knows.

They'll be fine. The key to their draft is going to be those two defensive linemen got to be good. And obviously, ideally hit on some random guys throughout the course of the third through seventh round. Right. But I think they had two high picks. Pick 11 and pick whatever it was, 44 or 43 or 5 or whatever number it was in the second round. Like those guys got to be good. Like those were really, really, really valuable assets in this draft.

When a team is reviewing a draft prospect, how much does a school play a factor in their draft grade, generally speaking? For context, I'm an Iowa State alum, and it feels great, so many cyclones not only got drafted, four in the 25 draft, five as a UDFA, but also seeing them make on-the-field contributions throughout the season. With Purdy Hall and Montgomery being great examples, among others. You know, I think because Iowa State, I mean, let's face it, the Big 12 is the worst of the power conferences, but under Matt Campbell, they've proven now to have NFL ready guys.

Boise falls under this category. When I was at Fresno State, Pat Hill fell under this category. There are certain programs that aren't like blue blood, blue chip, top 10 programs that are like, we're getting a high-level player from there. You know, Iowa is never going to win the national championship. I was probably never even going to make the playoffs. But you draft certain players from there, like you're getting NFL guys. And obviously when you draft players, I saw a Monty Awesome Fort,

the line, I was a linebacker, the general manager from the Arizona Cardinals, say, because I think they drafted multiple Ohio State players. And he's like, think how hard practices. We know how much, you know, in terms of they play in the bright light game, They playing all these playoff games. They play in multiple Penn State, Michigan, an Oregon. You're playing huge games throughout the regular season. Think about practice.

And this was true for Alabama. This is now true for Georgia. This is true at Ohio State. Michigan under Harbaugh. If you are a DB at Ohio State, every single day you're playing NFL guy. If you played for Nick Sabin, no matter what position you play, every single day at practice, you're going up from your freshman year, going up against other NFL people.

So obviously the games when you play, you know, certain competition depending on the week. But when you're the top programs, Ohio State, Georgia, now Texas, Sarks really turned them in to a top flight program. And obviously the NIL having money has helped. But I think when he first got there, they didn't even have a player drafted. I mean, Texas was in a bad spot.

And he's turned them pretty quickly just into one of the elites again. and I think that really, really matters for, you know, Oklahoma is like this under Bob Stoops, and then Lincoln is like, so many NFL guys, you just get better practicing every day. So I think it really, really matters. And if you're not going to be at, you know, one of the quote-unquote blue bloods, you've got to earn the respect to the league. And I think Matt Campbell and Iowa State really has because they have guys that are ready to come in, contribute and play at a really high level.

I have a question with the fall of Sanders. Is he privately happy that every single podcast in the, the sport show led with him today? When is the last time in draft history that a fifth round draft pick was the lead story? Doesn't it just feed the legendary ego? I was kind of thinking about that today. Wherever you fall on him, it's got to be pretty crazy. And I get his dad's Dion Sanders.

But he kind of got the like Tim Tebow treatment. Now, a huge part of that is if he had just gone, pick 21 to the Steelers, or somewhere in the 40s, it wouldn't have been the same. Like, anytime you're part of like a legendary, no pun intended, fall a precipitous drop viewed by people. Listen, I'm sure there are people like,

I can't take hearing this anymore. And I tend to fall that way too, but this has been one of the crazier stories I can just see by the numbers that I've, since I've been doing this for a decade plus ever seen. I don't know how he feels. I never met the kid, know nothing about him.

Seems like he handled it pretty well in terms of like from the prank call. I know he went to the club and has like a bunch of money and a Louis something. I'm not even a briefcase or something. But maybe he just doesn't even care. Maybe he's kind of numb to it. Maybe he truly doesn't give a shit.

Honestly. Or maybe he does. I'm done even trying to guess where he falls. falls. It'd be interesting when Dion comes out with his first comments where he falls. Because we haven't really seen Dion like just sit down, you know, on a show and sling some takes. Because that's coming.

You could convince me a lot of different angles. Well, I'd be stunned if Dion is like, I screwed up. I wish I would have handled it differently. I don't think he's thrown that pitch. but whenever we get him talking, I don't know. Are the Lynch 49ers just plain bad at drafting? In three years 21 to 23, they only have two players who will see a second contract with the team,

Brock Purdy and Lenore. They seem to overvalue perceived fit in their system compared to consensus rankings, while teams like the Eagles and Lions have been stacking blue chips by not overthinking the picks. Do you think this year's 49ers draft class could be different in why? Well, it's hard.

When you draft 11, you don't get the pick of the litter, but you get the option to select guys that the good teams, the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Ravens, the Bills would die to have access to. They would have, imagine what all those teams would do

to have the access to draft Michael Williams, who most people thought was going to go in the top 10. John Lynch thought he was going to go in the top 10. So I don't give you, like, I don't give the 49ers credit on drafting Nick Bosa. You just don't get any credit on that. Like, no shit. Easy pick. Like, you don't get credit on drafting Miles Garrett.

If anything, it's an indictment that you suck so bad to draft that high. Or you do get a lot of credit. It's like, well, Fred Warner in the 3rd, George Kittle in the 5th, Brock Purdy in the 7th. Lenore was Lenore I think Lenore is a fifth and Ambrie Thomas was a third like that those are really good picks you get credit for those Michael Williams like I don't give you

I give you a little more credit than Bosa because you're drafting 11 not two but like you get credit in the second third fourth round and we'd all be taking educated guesses nobody has any clue honestly I've heard a lot of people that I know don't love their draft picks but

not a soul ever thought Purdy was any good plays some pretty big games so far in his short career. Since it appears Shador, the other thing with the 49ers, like here's the thing with the Eagles. Howie Roseman runs the draft. Howie Roseman is the boss. He runs the draft. Kyle Shanahan and the coaching staff has a massive impact on the draft.

Obviously they let John do some stuff, but John Lynch is not picking a player that Kyle Shanahan doesn't want and probably isn't pushing to get. So I think that depending on your building, like the Chiefs right now, Brett Veach runs the draft.

Andy Reid's like, I don't want to do this. And he's been like that since he got to Kansas City. And look how they've done. Pretty good. A lot of success. Scout should scout.

GM should pick players, coaches to coach. But that's not really how a lot of the way the sport works anymore. because most of these, like Seattle got a ton of credit, like great looking draft on paper. Mike McDonald's not picking the players. John is.

So I don't love my coach, you know, picking all the players. I don't. Because I do think it's difficult for them to separate evaluation from the way they view it through a coaching lens. Obviously, it can help them out positively sometimes. but I think like almost knowing too much football

limit your way to be objective. That sounds crazy, but I promise you, some of these coaches are terrible evaluators and great coaches. It's completely different, I would say, profession almost.

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do you think he's even, do you think he even gets drafted without an owner facilitating the pick? It's a hell of a question, man. I think the easy answer is like, we'll never know. Who knows? I would have a hard time thinking that some GM would go, listen, seventh round. But like, what the hell?

I mean, honestly, what's the different? in a quote-unquote bad draft between like the fourth or fifth round and the seventh with a quarterback like he's going to be a backup no matter what so I do think when owner I think owners would have got involved in the sixth or the seventh round because they go we're not paying this guy anything it's on me if you guys want to cut this guy you can cut them whenever you want but there is too much value here so I I think let's say the browns never exist or jimmy haslam never forces their their hand I think he gets drafted,

but if you told me that he got drafted in the seventh round, like I think it would be on the table, which again is kind of crazy, because talent-wise, he's a top 50 player, clearly, top 75 player at worst. I don't think anyone would debate that. But it does really matter. I mean, I just,

I remember I did something on the Todd McShay report. Again, I was just giving my opinion based on that report. Because at the time, and this was two months ago, it's like Todd doesn't really just throw shit out at the wall and hope it sticks. And he said, like, he's had some awful meetings. And I remember thinking and saying that, like, that's pretty crazy to me.

Because usually, like, this is kind of an important job interview. You know, it's one where if you get drafted high, they don't pay millions. They pay like $40 million. If you get drafted in the second round, you make millions of dollars. Like, it's kind of a big deal. And then, you know, like classic on the comments, he didn't want to conform.

You see that a lot. It's like, well, guys, part of this business, like in any business where a lot of money's in the line when you're interviewing with someone, is to kind of be on your best behavior. Literally, everyone does it. especially people that aren't and any people that don't historically in football one are either just complete morons and deserve to fail because they usually do

or people that are so goddamn good they could walk into an interview pull down their pants and fart on the people interviewing them and nothing would matter. It's like yeah we'll still take you forth and he did not fall into that category but in his mind

and this is what really turned people off clearly he carried himself like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread based on all these reports and obviously just look at the actions yet they all looked at him just like a run-of-the-mill player which to me

if this wasn't Chidor Sanders and that's what makes this such a polarizing thing is his name but if he was just a normal player and he had acted like that and we all thought like he should be a top couple round pick and fell every single person would be calling this guy a doucheback

every single person I think it'd be universal but it's like people are scared which I get it if you're friends with Dion you don't want to crush his kid and again no one said he did like anything bad off the field but in terms of the interview

like it's like well reported now like it's well established what happened and why he fell because it's like why are he acting like this nobody acts like this

it's what pushed and turned everyone off nobody acts like this if anything guys that aren't as good. Jalen Milrow had an awful season. Yet he was blowing people away with his interviews.

Dylan Gabriel is tiny relative to NFL standards for quarterbacks. Viewed very small. People love the fucking guy. Why? Because it's like, sit down with him. I'm like, God, I want this guy. I want to draft that guy. That's usually what quarterbacks do.

Most of these quarterbacks in this class are, I would say, like, super impressive guy. the Riley Leonard's Will Howard's Dylan Gabriel's Jalen Milrose I haven't heard

one negative thing on any of them that is the other problem he went in with his attitude clearly in these rooms which again when I say

when of that no one does that nobody I don't know why you pulled down your pants and fart on someone but I was just trying to think

of something outrageous uh Longhorn's fan I got consistent pushback for believing URs was overrated I saw a player that never seemed to perform well into the biggest moments, ran in two instead of out

of trouble, and was a product of the scheme. My question is, as a former scout, what did you see on tape, in your opinion, that forced him down to the seventh round? I was never a big fan, and obviously because you guys played in so many big games over the last couple of years, we watched a lot of you, clearly, if everything's perfect and he just drops back and throws a deep ball or throws a ball where the guy's open, the ball looks pretty coming out of his hand. And in college, depending on who you're playing, he can be put in those situations. You're like, that was just a beautiful play.

But the better teams you play, football becomes, there's an instinctive element. You've got to have a feel for the game. And when I watched Quinn Ewer's play football, I saw a guy that was robotic that didn't have a feel for the game. And those type players at quarterback, I am 100% always out on. I don't care how how tall you are.

I don't care how big your arm is. I just saw very robotic and a guy that just lacked natural instincts to play the position. Because to be good at football, at any position, but especially quarterback is like, people love Cam Ward's instincts.

I would say Shadour has pretty natural quarterback instincts. Right? That's why you would consider him a playmaker. When I watched Quinn Ewers, I just saw like, kind of bleh. Honestly, him and Carson Beck are very similar. You just watch, you're like, I don't see it. Now, they can have stretches in a game. I would say Carson Beck had stretches throughout his career that looked better than Quinn Ewers. I never understood people projecting

Quinn Ewers really high. But I will say this. He has a much better arm than Arch Manning. Now, maybe Arch is young, maybe his arm can get better. But the arm I saw last year from Arch Manning in when he played is pretty average. relative to NFL standards. Speaking of Arch. Why is Arch getting all this hype, but I see Nussmeier getting left off early draft boards? Only 4K yard passer coming back,

NFL style thrower, and we'll have plenty of experience. Guy is a winner who carried his team with the LSU janitor for running backs after all the injuries. He needs to rename himself Shador. Listen, hype is really. real. And media hype is real.

And when you are, it's one thing if you're like, Steph Curry, his dad was an NBA player. But his dad was Del Curry, not Dr. J. or Michael Jordan, right? If Steph Curry had been Michael Jordan's son or Dr. J. son, the hype on him coming out would have been a lot crazier. He wouldn't have been denied at Virginia Tech coming out of high school and had to go to Davidson. just based on name alone. And his dad was an NBA player.

So if your dad's an NFL player, which countless guys who are NFL sons that get drafted every single year. But when you are, he's not Peyton or Eli's son, but when you are a manning and your last name is football royalty,

it feels a little different. I would say the same thing for Shador Sanders. His dad isn't just one of the greatest players in the history of the league. He's one of the greatest athletes in the history of America. and he's definitely one of the biggest personalities to ever play pro sports. So it just creates something.

And I'll say this, Chador played well. Arch is going to play in a much more difficult conference than Chador did. But who knows? Like you said, Garrett, Nussmeyer's dad also played in the NFL. Coach is now in the NFL. But if it was Garrett Brady, and he was like Tom Brady's nephew, or it was Garrett Farv, we'd probably hype them up a lot more.

Fair or not, that's just part of the deal. It really is. If I wasn't John Middilcoff, but I was John, let's say I was John Francesa. It's like, that's Mike Francesca's kid. Worked in the NFL. Now it was a podcast for Coward.

I bet I would get discussed a little bit differently than I do. It comes with territory. John Frances. That's actually a pretty solid name. My twin brother and I watch you whenever a new episode drops. Appreciate it. I want to know what you think about the Saints draft and what we're going to do next season.

Is drafting a quarterback still in the cards? I text some people because, again, sometimes when you have a bad exposure, I'm not in the weeds like I used to be. So a lot of my exposure comes on my couch in the Saturdays, the biggest games. and, you know, Banks to me, I had, I would say, a lukewarm kind of first big exposure to them in the Georgia game. And I have countless friends who like that pick a lot.

So I said, listen, they know what they're doing and are on winning teams and have won a lot in the league. So it's like, people like that pick, no issue with that pick. And I am never anti-taking offensive linemen really high. It's always going to be the right move because when you hit on it, no one ever complains about having awesome tackles on your team. I just can't get behind the quarterback selection. I think it's insane.

Now, Derek is leading some sermon the other day, talking about his shoulder, bitching and moan about the media when it's like, didn't your agent leak this, bro? Like, what are we even talking about? I'm still a little confused by this whole Derek Carr shoulder saga. he's doing podcast with his brother like, is your shoulder fucked up?

Is this all a ruse because you're mad at the team? Didn't they pay you a ton of money to not play that well? I just, I'm done kind of following the Carr Saints saga, just like, is he on the team or not? But I would say the more and more that you create problems, they're just more, Tyler Shuck, he probably started a quarterback and basically gets this year to prove he's a starting quarterback or not.

Fair or not. and then depending on how it goes, you're in the quarterback mix next year, or you just keep wrong with Shuck. I do think it's crazy to draft a player that is older than Brock Purdy and who went to prom with Brock Purdy. Like, it's crazy.

It really is. Like, there are some things that visual of him standing in his tux next to Brock Purdy, it's like, wait, they're the same age? It's like, no, yeah, Brock's actually younger. Hasn't Brock been in the NFL for three years of a starter? It's like, oh yeah, and he was a four-year college starter? It's like, yeah.

That guy was the backup for Justin Herbert. It's like, you start doing the math. You're like, this is insane. It's kind of like the Belichick video. It's like, listen, it can't be as crazy as everyone's making it out to be. And then you watch it, you're like, this is insane. Did she really just chime in like that and he went quiet? Did that, did I really just see what everyone else saw?

This is crazy. Listen, we all do different things for love. I never try to judge a person when it comes to their significant other. But that interaction of, and I don't blame Bill for dating someone 25. It's easy for every old person. Like, someone should be dating your own age. Like, yeah, you think Bill's going to be laying naked with a 73-year-old? You're fucking out of your mind.

But when you see that, it's like, Jesus, this is. This is crazy. She is running the ship here. Now, who knows what's going on when the, you know, doors closed and lights are off? Bill's probably having time of his life. Good for him. Good for him.

But that is something that's going to be hard to unsee. That CBS viral clip of her chiming in. That was crazy. I mean, that was, I can't unsee that in my mind. Given how the media, Stephen A, Shannon, Mel Kuiper, lesser extent, some other people are trying to spin Chidor's fall all about race and about some vendetta the league has against Dion.

Do you think Chador will come away with the right, accurate lesson from this experience? I really like Chador as a quarterback prospect and as a person. The bravado doesn't bother me. I want him to succeed. But my concern is that he and his camp will not, take the proper lesson away from this and instead blame others instead of doing the proper amount of self-reflection. People are saying maybe a little bit of humbling was good for him, but I'm not convinced he was humble. L.O.L. The night he was drafted, he was at the Dallas Club partying and

holding a suitcase of money. If I were him and I just lost millions by sliding to round five, I'd be at home. Figure out what happened and how I was going to take the preseason by storm. Well, to be humbled, you know, I think we throw that around, especially older people, love younger people when they get humbled. Like, ultimately, to humble a human being, if most of us lose a bunch of money, like, if I don't have a podcast tomorrow, like, I don't do anything else. I don't have some trust fund. I don't have any money. I'd be in trouble. I'd have to figure something out.

Like, this guy comes from a lot of money. I mean, we just saw the contract Dion signed. Obviously, they are a very close-knit family, and Shador has just made a lot of money the last couple years. So money to this guy is not an issue. He does not go to bed at night, like a lot of people in the draft, and worry about his financial future.

I think that's fair to guess that, especially based on the club after. But in terms of being humbled, I got no clue. It's impossible to psychoanalyze because if you just watch his reaction when he jumped into the pool, he'd be like, I actually thought he handled it pretty well. He just got drafted in the fifth round and he was still excited to be drafted. He thought it was a cool moment.

He didn't. Now you could also have said if he pouted, you would have thought like he would have been pissed off. That's cool too. You could nitpick anything he does. And he is by far the most nitpicked player. that I can remember in recent memory, especially when you factor in he's a fifth round guy. I'm fascinated what Dion's ultimately going to say.

If I was going to guess, I would say that he will not, like, there's not going to be a lot of like accountability. I would retract my statements or retract the way if I advise Shador to handle that. Because there was a video that went viral that Shiloh was screaming at Dion. You screwed this up. And who knows?

Maybe he told, Should Dora act like this? I don't know. I'm kind of fascinated to hear Dion if he's like, you know, not screwed around, like being serious about it, what his thoughts on this are. Because I don't know, like being humbled. At the end of the day, humbled, not humbled, like, you got to go and you got to compete against NFL guys.

And once camp starts, they can't hit you because you have a red jersey on. But while people like root for others, NFL training camp is kind of like a doggy dog. I mean, it's kind of a fucking crazy place. There are 90 guys that show up. You know, depending on your team, there are 30, 40 guys on scholarship. And there are a lot of people competing for starting spots and backup jobs. I mean, it's kind of like, you know, only the strong survive. And Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett, and these guys are desperately trying to make the roster.

So it's going to be fascinating. All the talk about it is kind of irrelevant. Like, you're either going to pick up the offense. You're either going to make plays. you're either going to, the coaches are going to trust you and they're going to get behind you or they're not. And you have the opportunity to earn the right to be on the team. And whether that's the third string guy or the backup, I think it's probably borderline

impossible without injuries to be the starter week one. But there is 100% possibility for him and Dilla Gabriel are competing. And it'll probably start at the third and then they'll probably transition those guys kind of working toward the number two. You play well. It's the best part about football. Is all the BS that's talked about, you know, attitude and race and whatever on these shows the last couple nights?

None of that matters when the pads come on and it's 100 degrees outside. And Stefansky calls the play into Jim Schwartz's their defensive coordinator and on the other side and they're running the defense. Like you're either going to complete the passes, make the plays, make the right checks, or not. None of the shit that was said from countless people last couple days. mean anything. Nothing even as dad can say means anything. But I think like, you know, what's crazy is we've had a lot of former players, kids. And I was around them a lot, like, early on in my radio career around Stefan Clay, whose dad's, I mean, Clay's dad was kind of a legend for, I don't know, the 80s Lakers, like played kind of a prominent role as, I think he's on their radio team, Michael Thompson. and Steph's dad was a long-time NBA player, and these guys just acted like it was crazy early on

before they really blew up to what they've become. They were just really normal, and easy to get along with, and everyone liked them. And I do feel like most of these guys that grew up rich and dad's played professional sports, look at Patrick Mahomes,

they actually feel like the easiest going guys early on, because they're most comfortable in this environment. They're like the most secure. And there's this weird part about Shador of like, is he just copying his dad? I would imagine if you could get a lot of, and I mean, I like most kids, I mean, I love the 49ers.

And when they signed Dionne Sanders, they won a Super Bowl in 1994. Dionne Sanders was one of the coolest players by far of my childhood. Everyone liked Dionne Sanders. And he never shut up. But he was fucking like the most, dominant player in the league. He started dancing at like the 30-yard line.

No one cared. You know why? Because he was going the other way with the ball in his hands about to score a touchdown because he had just picked off the quarterback. Like, no one cares about bravado and that type stuff when you back it up. But when you bring a lot of that and people think that you're not as good

as the way you carry yourself, people kind of think you're a loser. That's part of it. Everyone's like, people don't like the bravado. Well, yeah, we have never liked big bravado. on people that can't back it up. Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods and Tom Brady, they can carry themselves kind of however they want.

It's much more difficult for Kirk Cousins if he wanted to carry himself like that, right? Ken Griffey Jr. and Barry Bonds carry themselves a little bit different than the utility infielder. Now, who knows? Maybe Shador's really good in the NFL. We're going to find out. But I talked about this yesterday. Like, the Big 12 sucks.

We got to acknowledge that. Big 12 is not viewed as like big time football. It's kind of a joke. I mean, just look at all the guys that were drafted. If he had done what he did the SEC, you couldn't even pretend that he wasn't a first round pick. If he had played the exact same way and produced the same numbers in the SEC, you would have had to take him as a first round pick,

no matter whether you liked his attitude or not. But like, I think a lot of people look at it like, you weren't playing any NFL players. This conference is an embarrassment. it's not like you're paying Texas and Oklahoma and A&M anymore. They alone gone. So I think there are a lot of different factors and variables.

But I think we also have to acknowledge that if you act really, really cocky, right? It's like a girl that carries herself like she's, you know, the hottest thing in the room. If you look at her and she's like, she's a five, everyone's kind of making fun of her. And I think a lot of NFL people viewed this guy. Honestly, I didn't even ask that much about him.

One big regret I've had, I would say the last couple days, is not spending more time. I just assumed he was going to be, people just weren't even talking about him. That's what's crazy. We're spending so much time talking about him right now. I actually don't think teams wasted that much time

on him over the last couple months. Once they interacted with him once, they're like, yeah, we're not that interested. I think we, myself, everyone talking about him, fans, are way more invested than the league was. and that's all that matters and I've said this forever

like I really like doing this and it's cool we've got a big audience and I'm able to make a living off this and my opinions are just this is entertainment like my job's not to pick the actual player sometimes people come at me like you know you're no at all you

no I'm just giving my opinion on the move but my job is not to actually make the move right so if the Travis Hunter trade up for Gladstone blows up in his face like he was the decision maker. His job is, I've been over the years, had GMs get mad at me, right? It's like, well, my job and your job are different.

You just won five games. You did a shitty job. I'm not acting like, like, I would be able to dominate your job, but you definitely can't dominate my job, right? Or you can try, come on. Right? So it's like, in everything I say,

I put my name on, you don't necessarily do that. And I think sometimes these worlds, kind of collide, their job is just to get it right. That's the only thing they're consumed with is getting it right and getting good players. It's all they care about, right? The only thing I care about in my job is to try to make entertaining content. If you're listening to this in your sales guide, the only thing you probably care about is like hitting your quota that year. The only thing these GMs get the best players possible and the right fits in your organization. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

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but Will Levis also gave away games last year that they probably could have won. Yeah, I mean, I think if he's good, I don't see why they couldn't, you know, compete to win seven or eight. Their defense was really good last year, at least until like halfway through the season, you just run out of juice.

Like, how am I going to play defense with Will Levis at quarterback? But, you know, if offensively, he's just a solid player. They could be way more competitive than they were last year. And they were competitive early on. Will Levis was just a joke. So I'd be pretty bullish on the Titans. And I don't even think it's close.

I don't think we'll ever see again a number one overall quarterback feel more relevant. And this is, I wasn't watching ESPN on, it would have been Thursday night. But I guess did Mel Kiper just go into a rant? immediately about Shador Sanders. So I've seen Cam Ward interviewed a bunch. We had Dickerd on his former coach at Washington State. Seems like a really good guy.

I know people with the Titans, they really like him. So if I was a Titans fan, I'd be pretty excited. There's nothing more fun than getting a high picket quarterback knowing he's going to start and also knowing he's got like debility, like a big arm. Let's see what we got now.

I'd be excited if I was a Titan fan. Playoffs seems a little bold, but definitely a competitive I think seven to eight wins is realistic. I'm the biggest Herbert fan you'll meet, but no excuses this year. We've got to win a playoff game or two. I can't wait to see what year two looks like with Harbaugh.

Totally agree. I totally agree. I think it's... I think the expectation would be feeling pretty good about by the time the playoffs start, like we can make the AFC championship game. and I think it's fair going into the season like, can we win this division?

Have we shrunk the gap? Can we beat the Chiefs in a regular season game? Can we win this division and get a home playoff game? But luckily the way they play is always going to translate on the road. But winning playoff games 100%. The last three draft locations have been Green Bay, Detroit, and KC. Next year's draft will be in Pittsburgh. The last two Super Bowl locations have been New Orleans and Vegas.

The next three are San Fran, Los Angeles, and Atlanta. Is it a deliberate strategy to give Super Bowls to supposedly cool cities and give the draft to blue-collar working-class cities? Would love to hear your thoughts. Well, you can't have the Super Bowl in Green Bay or Kansas City. Right? I mean, technically you could, but you're not going to play the Super Bowl in a game potentially negative.

one degree or 10 degrees or snowing or sleet they don't want to do that so part of the reason when you look at where the super bowl is played Arizona Vegas uh Miami New Orleans Atlanta either in domes or warmer weather climates Los Angeles San Francisco they want the sun out if the game's outside forever when I was a kid they used to play at Arizona State Stadium they used to play at Stanford Stadium like they want it in a nice climate if it's going to be outdoors. You just can't have the Super Bowl in Pittsburgh in the first week of February. You can't do it. And they're not going to do it.

Because the other thing is, the football-wise, technically you could. It probably, no one wants to watch that type game. Right. If it's freezing cold, no one can catch. But it's also about the week. And that week is really about the corporate clients that the NFL has. the people they're in business with, all the different companies. It's like the league's convention.

We all, depending on what we do, go to different conventions, right, or meetings, that's essentially the leagues. So for their business partners. Where the combine is like for the teams and the players, the Super Bowl is really about the business of the NFL. And people are more inclined to, I would just say, go to the places where they have it because it's nice weather. And I think that they really just give the draft

two places that are never going to get Super Bowls. So I think that's why they're doing it. I don't think it's necessarily about blue-collar cities. I mean, if Green Bay was beautiful in the spring, I think they would have, I also don't think I've never been there, but do they have the infrastructure for hotels and stuff, for fans? I think that plays a part. But it's 95% the weather.

Last question. As a Titans fan, I probably am a little biased. But I just find it crazy how little coverage Cam is getting. I totally get Shador is a Sanders, and him slipping in the draft is going to dominate the coverage. But then I see more coverage on Jalen Milrow and Dylan Gabriel and try to understand why. It feels like Cam is the least talked about.

Well, the reason that Jalen Milro and Dylan Gabriel, when they get drafted, gets so much more discussion than Cam, is because they're directly connected now to Shador. Because they are part of the story of guys drafted above him. So if they are independent and have nothing to do with Shador, we wouldn't spend any time on them either. Which, again, like, I'm not proud of this, but this is one of the biggest stories in the history of the draft.

It really is. Because sometimes, like, you think about Tebow that went in the 20s, You think about Roger that went in the 20s. You think about when Jordan Love was taken to the Packers with Aaron Rogers was a huge story. There's usually not an individual like this that goes round after round after round that has the fame of this individual. It's led by his dad, who's, I would say Dion Sanders is just on the short list of famous players in the history of the sport. And he's added to that, right?

He was a big media star once his career ended. He then became a college coached his son. It just, it's like a movie script how all the different angles here. All the different guys Dion knows and has played with. He had been started to get rumored, I would say over the last year to SEC schools, then even the NFL. His son, fair or not, through the media hype was discussed. with Cam Ward throughout the season as the best quarterbacks.

And then once the process started, I clearly Cam. I mean, I don't think the Titans deliberated much on this decision for the last couple months. But yeah, it sucks. Now, part of it, you know, Jags fans sometimes fire into my DMs and get mad at me. Say I'm too dismissive of the organization. There's something about the division that is, is like you guys from a rating standpoint and importance of the league standpoint, if the Dallas Cowboys had had the number one pick and not the Titans and they had drafted Cam Ward,

I do think it would have been a little different. But let's face it, the lead up to the draft would have been like, do they take Deon Sanders kid? So Cam was just in one of those positions. Me personally, like my personality, especially at a young age, I would kind of enjoy it. It's like I kind of get to fly under the radar a little bit. no, everyone's kind of leaving me alone. I just have to impress the people I have to impress, but I don't have to turn on television every day,

and they're talking about how, am I going to be a bust? Am I going to be like these other former Titans quarterbacks that were drafted high, like Marriota and Vince Young and Jake Locker that failed? So I actually think he's in a pretty good spot in terms of the pressure, the outside pressure, clearly the media pressure,

and just the overall pressure. Think about going into training camp. he is not going to be talked about I mean it's not even going to be close Shador is going to be the most talked about rookie quarterback in training camp every pass he throws in practice we'll go viral on Twitter and Instagram

I would say any time they're like hey Jalen Milrow he's getting some reps with the twos it's like they're going to have packages for Jalen Milro he'll get talked about a lot so in a weird way Cam Ward is the number one overall pick gets the distinction of

I was the first pick of the NFL draft. Two, I make the most money of every guy drafted. Three, I'm going to be the immediate starter. I ain't battling anyone for the job. It's mine. And no one's talking about me. So I think he's in a pretty good spot. Other than that, I think I said Tess Walker to Colin,

and Colin looked at me kind of weird. It was the wide receiver from Oregon who's like 150 pounds who Bo Nix's family adopted. They played high school football together. and then who transferred to Oregon a couple years ago. I was Ted Johnson, Tess Johnson, who I liked and who is a good, good deep threat.

He's just skinny, which I'm jealous. I wish I had his waistline, but I actually kind of like that pick in the seventh round, but I misspoke a couple days ago when I was on with Colin and said he was Tess Walker. It feels like a movie character or something, but adios. Thanks for chiming in, and we'll talk soon. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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