The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Eagles-49ers TRADE, Joe Flacco is NOT a mentor, Cowboys ALWAYS wait to pay guys

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

John reacts to the trade between the Eagles and 49ers that saw Bryce Huff get sent from Philadelphia to San Francisco and gives his take on why the Eagles always seem okay to trade away impact players. Next, John talks about Joe Flacco's comments about how he is focused on helping the Browns win games and less concerned about being a mentor. Later, John dives into Jerry Jones always waiting to re-sign players, the latest on Stefon Diggs, and other sports news. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 6:12 - Eagles-49ers trade 13:30 - Joe Flacco is not a mentor 26:23 - Jerry Jones not paying guys 29:19 - Diggs on his boat 33:02 - Other sports news 45:33 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think over the course of the the last couple years, this probably doesn't happen. You know, the Eagles trading with a team that they viewed as not just an equal, but as a team that they would have to go through in the playoffs. I think it's a little bit easier to acknowledge a expensive mistake. I mean, they paid Bryce Huff a lot of money. They kicked Reddick to the curb, who ironically got traded to the Jets to fill Huff spot and never showed, at least for a long time.

And clearly Huff was not a scheme fit for Vic Fangio and it didn't work out. but guess what? There is not probably many industries. I guess it's like this in most businesses if you screw something up but you're making so much money who even cares about the screw up. It's like an investor.

It's like when you read about these VC guys that just throw a bunch of money into startups if they just hit on the one Google, the one Uber, the one Facebook, all the millions of dollars they've wasted investing in other companies, none of it matters because that return on that. And in sports, when you win a championship,

no, honestly, if you just win, you don't even need to win the championship if your team is just consistently good, people overlook your mistakes. I've seen it with the 49ers. I mean, they made one of the worst trades, if not the worst trade, in draft history. And no one really cared because they landed Brock Purdy and they just kept winning. And I think the Eagles, like, how we made a mistake. And guess what?

Wins the Super Bowl. No one gives a shit. And a couple months after, in the offseason, he trades them to a team that they've played in the NFC championship, before that was in the NFC championship and the Super Bowl the following year. And it's like, whatever. And I think it's much easier for Howie to make this trade because, one, the 49ers are interested because Robert Sala coached Huff, his most successful year, double-digit sack guy.

And, you know, some of the rumors that I had heard when he had gone to the Eagles was, you know, the front office didn't quite view him as good as the coaching staff. And sometimes that happens and they weren't willing to pay him huge money, even though I think he's a pretty good fit scheme-wise for Sala. Now, we can argue, and I think, listen, sometimes when you're an undrafted free agent, like you do get, there is some sort of,

how good are you, even once you produce, right? And when you're a first-round pick, if you had double-ed-edgedy sacks, I'm not only extending you, I don't even hesitate doing it. I'm like, I can't overpay. This guy's a big-time player. But when you're an undrafted free agent,

and by your third or fourth year you kind of come out of nowhere and start making plays it's like how good is this guy should we sell at the top of the market and i think that's what the jets ultimately did and the eagles once they brought in fangio it just didn't work and if you're the 49ers like you're somewhat desperate for talent i mean you're doing this totally rehabilitation of like churning your roster from scratch and you also have some money to spend you have some wiggle room plus you don't even have to eat it all basically i mean give or take, splitting his $17 million salary with the Eagles. I think the Eagles are eating like nine of it,

and the Niners are like seven and a half. However, the exact numbers play out. But go, we get a guy that our defensive coordinator knows, and along with Bosa, along with our top 12 pick in Michael Williams, can be an impact player force. And if you're the Eagles, like, this isn't going to work. He's not going to be on this team.

We don't want to cut him and just totally eat all this money. So can we find a suitor? He does make a lot of money. and he's, I would say, somewhat of a one-trick pony. And that's the thing. When you hear this a lot, like, why is this guy not a scheme fit? And there are a lot of different positions that, you know, depending on the team, why it's going to work or not going to work.

But it's pretty hard to play for Vic Fangio as an edge player if you're not going to be a run stuffer. And teams, I don't even, I hate this term, the wide nine, because I think it's such a hybrid defense, but just in general what the 49ers and a team that has a true like four down linemen want to do, especially with the 49ers over Sala and then D'Amico, is get up the field and rush the passer. Fancho is not against rushing the passer,

but he's big on gap integrity and like you can't just run all over the place to make place. And I think the 49ers over the course of the last five or six years just promote much more just like impact the quarterback. If we got to give up some running lanes, hopefully Fred Warner will clean it up. That's just not what Vic Fangio's into. So it's really hard to play for him if you're going to be a one-trick pony, even if that one trick is like pretty damn good edge rusher. It's just not really going to work. And it didn't work. And no one cares. And it's the best part about winning in sports. You can make these, I don't want to call it a major mistake. It's not even that big a deal. But you can make mistakes. Obviously, if the Eagles could have a do-over, they would do it over.

There were much bigger mistakes in his free agent class. Kirk Cousins, Wilkins got injured. It wasn't the Raiders' fault, but obviously, once the guy's injured and who knows if he ever going to be the same, you would like a do-over. But Cousins is the best example. Gave him $90 million, essentially, and by the end of year one, he can't even be the starter. And now it's hard to trade him because he's got a no trade clause and just becomes, you know, very fishy.

Like most contracts in the NFL, and we saw this this year as well when the Rams traded an offensive lineman to the Bears, it's like you're kind of year to year. I mean, most of these contracts are not Miles Garrett, Nick Bosa, Justin Jefferson, let alone the quarterback contracts, where you're kind of on scholarship, worst case scenario for like three years. It's pretty unprecedented what the Broncos did with Russell Wilson. It's like, we can't stand this guy so much. We think he's so bad, not just on the field, but just for the aura of our organization, we've got to get this guy out of here. I don't care how much money we're going to eat. I don't even care if we don't have a solution. Get this guy out of my building.

That's pretty rare. I mean, it takes kind of a crazy SOB like Sean Payton to really have that level of, I don't know, belief that he can fix the problem. And what's crazy is he fixed the problem kind of immediately. but like most of these contracts, these $50 million, quote-unquote contracts, it's usually like $15, $20, $25 million guaranteed. And if the guy doesn't have a catastrophic injury, you usually can move them. Especially the one thing with the NFL, too,

more than the other sports is the coaching movement around the league is so fast. I mean, it happens at such a rapid speed that a guy's one place, one year, then all of a sudden he's a coordinator at the place of another year. Right? It's like, look at the head coach. just two years ago. Guys like Dennis Allen, Arthur Smith,

Robert Sallow. They're just guys that come up top of my head. And now they're all coordinators at different places. So you usually can pawn some guys off if they've had experience, or at least pressure that organization, if that coach likes the guy. And that's exactly what happened here.

Joe Flacko made some comments. I probably could play them, but the gist of it essentially was like, I'm not here to mentor guys. Because he was asked, like, do you view your, as a mentor. And he gave a really, really good answer, I thought. Right? Like, he's like, I could go either way, right? I could, I could come out and say, I'm going to be a great mentor, and then you guys can

crush me. I'm not focused enough on, on winning. I could say, I'm not going to be a great mentor, and you guys could look at me like I'm an asshole. And the reality is, I'm here to try to win games. And in fairness to Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco knows this. Kevin Stefanski knows this, because he surely told him when Joe Flackos came there and signed. The entire team knows this because a couple years ago, Joe Flacco led them to the playoffs. And I don't know how long this is going to go on. I don't know if their team's going to be that good.

But when it comes to week one, if he's healthy, Joe Flacco's going to be the starter. I saw Colin go on this thing that Shador should be the starter right now. Like, yeah, listen, for an entertainment standpoint and content standpoint, I'm all for it. This is not going to happen. Joe Flacko is the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns week one.

you can put that thing in fucking Sharpie. And if I'm signed to be the starter, my job is not to mentor the guy. My job, especially in the offseason and in August training camp and going into week one, is to try to help my team win. Now, if Joe Flacko had said this as the backup quarterback for Josh Allen,

or that's a bad example because he's been in the league for a while. Let's say the Bears had signed him to back up Caleb Williams. Or the Patriots had signed him to back up Drake May. And he had said this. And it was clear like, Joe, you're not the starter.

I would have been like, that's the wrong signing for that team. Because when the Kansas Chiefs signed Chad Hennie, the year they got rid of Alex Smith for Patrick Mahomes, the reason they signed Chad Hennie, obviously he had a bunch of experience. He was married and mature, but was just to help Patrick Mahomes

to be like an older voice in the room on how to prepare and be a pro, a.k.a. be a mentor. That was his role. That is not Joe, Flacco's role on June 1st, 2025. His job is to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. So I've seen a million different thoughts and people with different takes on this.

Like, guys, it's not that complicated. He's the starting quarterback. We all know that's going to play out. Now, if by week seven and they are two and five and he gets benched and Dylan Gabriel or Chador is thrown in the mix, then yeah, his job then pivots to help that guy out, which he has surely done before. But like, you can only do so much. You really can't.

Like, look at last year. I would imagine he tried to help Anthony Richardson out. But there's a chance to some of these young guys because this is the nature of, you know, a young, I don't want to say no at all, but I think young, successful people probably think they know more than they actually do. They're probably not asking him unlimited questions. And the other thing he alluded to, like, ideally I hope our relationship's good.

Like that's just the organic nature of being a good teammate and being around each other and being like-minded people. But there's no guarantee. It's like, yeah, welcome to life. You can work with people if you don't have the same values and morals and kind of standards. If one guy's lazy and you don't buy into it or that guy, if you're lazy and the guy that's a grinder, you're not going to get along. It's not going to happen. It's not going to go well. We have all been in different scenarios.

in our professional life once you get to a certain age. If you've worked in the workforce, I would say for over a decade, you have worked with someone you do not like. I think that's borderline impossible. Now, depending on your personality, that number could be higher or lower. But we have all worked with people. Again, not a boss that kind of rubs you the wrong way or pisses you off.

I'm saying someone you legitimately can't stand. Someone you view as like a piece of shit, low character loser. And that happens, I'm sure, in every locker room. There are a couple people that can't stand each other. And you hope that's not the case. And you definitely hope it's not in the quarterback room. But it is not Joe Flacco's job to hold, you know, everyone's going to say Chador.

And here's the thing with Chador. The coaching staff and the GM drafted Dillon Gabriel first. So we can all want Chador to play from an entertainment standpoint. Who do you think Kevin Stefansky and Andrew Barry are going to put out first? because they do control a lot of this. I've said forever the moment you get drafted, a GM and a front office can like the player, but they don't control the practice script.

They don't control who goes in when at practice. Now, obviously some GMs have more juice than others, but the coach has the majority of the poll, especially once a practice starts, he can do whatever he wants to do. So it's going to be on those two guys who are going to be taking reps with backups, and who knows, maybe because Flacko,

old and has so much experience that they just don't even give him that many reps. I have a hard time seeing that in training camp at least because you do need to have everyone on your team at least think that you have the

belief that winning is possible. You can flip the script pretty easily once you've lost a couple games but in training camp what's the point of grinding if we're just going to mail in the season? It's why tanking doesn't exist in the NFL because no one has that mentality. No one just fucking mails it in. Now, maybe they do some sort of, you know, like they did last year

with Drake May and Jacoby Verset. Jacoby was going to start week one. But in training camp, they were splitting the reps, unlike most teams would normally do. And maybe they do that with the young players in Gabriel and Chador when it comes to training camp reps with Joe Flacco, because you go, he doesn't need as many reps. But I don't blame him for thinking that at all. The NBA finals are here. And this is your last chance to, to bet on the NBA until next season. And the Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA

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is you're in this partnership, this 50-50 revenue partnership. Yet the only one guaranteed to not have to fight over any of the revenue are the owner in the team side. Like they're guaranteed their split. Yet the players are guaranteed their money. They just all have to fight for it.

It's like they're fishing the sea all fighting for the food. And a lot of teams, make it very, very difficult. I mean, I've had a lot of experience being around the Niners. It's hard to negotiate with them if you're going for premium bucks. At least it has been historically, the numbers have gotten so big. They've had to kind of take it on the chin a little bit. But most teams, like it's not easy to deal with Howie or some of these guys. It's a challenge, right? It's why you pay your agent to negotiate for you. But deals get done. For whatever reason with the Cowboys,

it's like everyone knew they were going to sign DAC last year everyone knew they were going to sign CD Lamb last year like everyone knows at this point in time they're going to sign Michael Parsons but we all know they're probably going to sign them toward the end of training camp and I theorized last year it's like maybe Jerry just likes keeping this cash

because you have to give huge signing bonuses in these type contracts maybe he just wants to wait to the last possible second to take his money out of wherever he has invested I'm sure the markets because it has to be some sort of tangible asset that he could get access to quickly before he pays these guys. Because otherwise it makes no sense.

What's the point going back and forth in Micah Parsons right now? Obviously, his number is somewhat established based on Miles Garrett and Nick Bosa a couple years ago, based on the inflation year by year. And you have a pretty good idea. Wouldn't you want, especially a first time head coach who most people thinks a little over his head to just have the easiest runway possible? and if I was a betting man as we sit here on June 1st, I would be pretty stunned if Micah Parsons' contract is signed.

I mean, at earliest, like August 20th, 25th range, I think if he is signed over the offseason, when I say off season, it means summer break before you report for training camp or even those first couple weeks or first couple days of training camp before you get on the field with pads. I think would be really shocking based on the way they do business and at this point in time

if you're a cowboy fan if you just follow the league you've kind of seen a pattern with Jerry Jones like this is the way he does business he weighs till the last possible second then he doesn't go cheap like he gives you the most money possible

but he just weighs till basically the last week right before the season and last but not least the dig story I think a huge part of the reason this story is so big one I mean that everyone like felt like they had to talk

there's not much going on right it's late may it they're practicing in shorts and t-shirts it's a pretty boring time in the NFL and obviously the the combination of this this player is pretty polarizing cardi b the drugs perfect storm but i also think part of what made last week so weird is and anyone knows this listen like i work with a lot of people and we're all in different spots and sometimes it's hard to communicate right because you can't just be like, hey, let's meet in the conference room and talk it out. Right. Hey, or just walk into the guy's office, knock, knock, and have a conversation with them. It makes communication really hard. It makes you communicate, be over the top on communication

if you want to have, you know, a good working relationship and make everyone being on the same page. And it really forces you to over communicate. And any of you that work from home right now is like, does my boss even like me? It's like, does the guy I'm working with even know what they're doing? you have those questions because you're not able to have a normal in-person relationship with him. And I think sometimes when a situation like this happens, he's just nowhere to be found. OTAs is going on and he's just not there, which if this was during the season, even if it had been on like a Monday or Tuesday of the week and he had been out, you know, where they get the clans for the clam chowder up in Boston,

he would have answered to it on Wednesday or Thursday. He would have talked. and the story probably would have died. He either would have been cut because they would have been anti him doing the Tuesdays or whatever the fuck it's called or they would have been like,

listen, let's make better decisions, watch out when cameras are around and we're onward and upward. And stories like this grow during this time of year because like he's nowhere to be found and he doesn't get to answer for himself. It's not, he didn't,

not that I saw post anything about like, hey, it wasn't even mine or hey, it wasn't actually what you thought even if it's a lie. like you just have some sort of rebuttal. And I think it's a good example of like, when you start moving around bouncing around teams, the equity that team,

because Scott Zolak, who's associated with the Patriots and been their color guy on radio forever and has a massive radio show in Boston, I think gave a comment. I think it was on his radio show that like, cutting him is on the table. And whenever you leave a team,

like whoever the team and the GM and the coach that drafted you, that, or signed you as an undrafted free agent, that you made the team that you played along with. Like, you get to build up equity. You get to know that person, right? Why do you, usually your most supportive person in life as you're growing up are your parents, right? They spend the most time around you. So it's like, why do coaches in front office people like the people they drafted and have been playing with for years?

Because they have a long relationship, the good and the bad with that human being. And the moment you start bouncing around. that's what Diggs is in this portion of his career where he's just kind of this mercenary. It's like your margin for error and your leash is really, really small. And listen, I think it's kind of funny. But who knows? If you told me they cut him because it was like, we don't want to talk about this shit anymore. If you tell me that he next week at OTAs, he's there and he gives a statement or talks about it with the press,

could believe that as well. But things get weird when you start bouncing around. round and they just don't know you that well, especially when something like this happens, you're not even anywhere to be found. A couple other sports things I want to hit out before we get out of here. The NBA Finals is set. Shows you what a moron I am. I bet a decent amount of money on the Minnesota Timberwolves to beat the Thunder.

And not only did they not win that series, obviously, they got their ass kicked. Well, that team they played is currently a minus 750 favorite in the NBA Finlay. Now I googled, I couldn't quite find it. I would imagine some of the KD Warriors teams were huge favorites. Obviously gambling has changed dramatically over the last couple years, five, six years with Draft Kings and Van Duel and how easy it is to see all these lines. But you basically, for those of you like gambling novices, would have to bet $750 to win a dollar. To put this into perspective, the NHL, the Stanley Cup finals, is a rematch.

between the Oilers who kicking myself as well. I had $1,000 in my account after some wins a couple months ago. And I was like, you know what? I'm not the biggest NHL guy, but let's put a couple $500 bets on a couple teams to win the Stanley Cup finals. And the two teams that were really jumping out to me were the Washington. I wanted a team in each conference. I was like the Washington Capitals and the Edmonton Oilers. And then for whatever reason, I put it all in the Capitals, who obviously got their ass kicked by Carolina.

But my point is in that series, it's a coin flip. I checked it yesterday and it was both teams were minus 110. Usually in the NBA finals, the, you know, the World Series, whatever. Even if one team's favorite, like the Super Bowl, you get like Eagles favored by two points, right? This is pretty crazy. I mean, it really is, especially for a team that's never really accomplished anything, right? It's not like they've, they're the defending champs. It's not like they got a bunch of guys that have won.

you know, a shitload in their career. I mean, obviously they got the MVP on their team, but that's pretty nuts. You can get the Indiana Pacers who just beat the crap out of the calves in the second round, who were the one seed. And then for the most part, I thought, handled the Knicks. If the series 100%, I'd say they took it to the Knicks at least 75% of the time. I mean, they're good.

And they are, I mean, a portal line like historic underdog here. And it's not like there's some major injury. It would be one thing. it's like, oh, their best player broke his foot. It's just pretty crazy. And the gambler and me, it's like, should I dabble on the Pacers? But I'm just, I'm out.

After that, Minnesota, shalacking, I'm out. The other thing is, we have been going on this tour. And I love inside the NBA. I've been watching it my whole life. No one makes me laugh, like when Charles makes Shaq laugh, when that combination of Charles saying something

about fat women in San Antonio eating the church, about how some dude in a sauna gave him a bracelet that he was wearing and they were both naked and Shaq just starts pissing his pants laughing across the desk. That to me when it comes to sports is like as funny as it gets. It's just so natural how much he makes Shaq laugh. But there have been like this, who was Alaska? It was a Jeter.

Remember when Jeter was retiring and everywhere he'd go, they'd give him like, they'd give him something cool. Like you go here, he gets like a person. He goes here, he gets like a personalized, you know, a Chevy truck. Every team just had something special for him. It's kind of what it's felt this year with TNT, but it's like TNT is going away, but the actual show, I guess, is not going away. We'll just be on ESPN, which I don't really think is going to work. You know, one part of what makes the show so special is how little these guys, I mean, seriously

how little they give. a fuck about anything. Now, they haven't been able to swear because, you know, cable rules. But I would say, you know, McAfee kind of gets a lot of credit for how little he buys in to like the ESPN world and he just does his own thing. These guys were the original that way. Like, they're in a corporate world, yet they operate like they're the NBA's version of like Barstool.

and I just don't quite know how it's going to work. It's one thing to like all these people on ESPN that feel like, especially some of these anchors that feel like they get offended by everything and Berkeley starts talking about fat women. I mean, it's going to be fascinating because Charles, obviously, Shaq, they're too rich, too well established to ever change. There is absolutely no changing between those guys. And I also think this, sometimes things are meant to end, right?

Most great television shows come to an end. It sucks, but it ends. And I think sometimes you know, and if we use the television show as an example, when a show goes a season or two too long, it's like, yeah, didn't quite work. I remember the show with Kevin Spacey, I would say one of the, what was it called, the first big Netflix show. House of Cards is the reason that I originally signed up for Netflix. and it's, I remember watching it thinking,

this is like one of the most remarkable, just entertaining shows I've ever seen in my entire life. And like most people, if that was a show that got you to sign up for Netflix, I've been hooked ever since. But by the end, he had, you know, was going through everything, got in trouble and was like kicked out of Hollywood or whatever.

I think he's kind of back now, or I don't know, like I haven't really followed that story. But he was just off the show. It's like, yeah, guys, this show doesn't really work without him. Like, we just got to end this thing. And, like, if Ernie's not going to leave, I, however this, I just think they probably should have ended it. Now, I totally understand Barclay and these guys only want to work if this is the show and

they're getting paid so much money. But I just don't think it's going to work. I think culturally, it was pretty special because of the rules that they didn't have to follow. And we see how often, you know, people at Disney get offended and statements have to be made and apollic like it's just i i don't think it's going to work that that's my first reaction i i think you can't create something that special slash organic and then try to replicate it somewhere else even if it's in the same studio even as with the same people it's just not going to be the same

and um i i i think the right move and listen i these guys have no problem with anyone wanting to make more money. But I think for the health of what it represented and how awesome it was, like universally, like no one watched that show over the years and didn't multiple times like piss your pants laughing. I just, I would probably bet against this working. Other than that, I saw the Colorado Rockies. Jeff Passon tweeted that they're nine and 50. Nine and 50. Thing with baseball, and this is, you know, luckily with basketball, most teams, could pay for players. They just choose to tank.

Even though I hate tanking and what it represents, I do understand, like, the only way for the Utah Jazz to get good is to be drafting high and land sweet players. But in baseball, some of these owners, like, we're just not going to spend. We're just refused to spend. And then they just suck.

It's like, this product is just terrible. I don't necessarily know how to fix it, but 9 and 50. That's, that's, to put that in perspective, now the division's good. I look, the diamond backs, have are in third place in that division, or excuse me, in fourth place in that division, so just the next team above them has 27 wins.

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Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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Is the biggest Fugazi in all sports college football preseason rankings? I actually think this is no longer really a Fugazi. I think it used to be like Texas used to always be up there, even when they sucked for a long time. They're kind of the same cast of characters. obviously Alabama and Ohio State but there would be like four or five of these teams it's like guys Texas hasn't won like a decade

Florida how are you putting them like 11th they're going to go 7 and 5 I think in this NIL era we have a pretty good idea I mean let's look at last year you know Ole Miss is a good example a lot of people thought Ole Miss could be a sleeper for the national championship

now they ended up not making the playoffs they still went 10 and 3 because their team's just too good they're spending too much money. So when you see some of these teams last year, a lot of people like SMU, SMU, SMU, it's like they're spending a lot of money, guys. I think, you know,

I guess Texas Tech is spending, someone sent me something that said they spent $50 million. Now, I saw the AD of Texas who pushed back against Ohio State, who wanted to, I mean, Texas Ohio State is week one. That's a pretty good game. and Ohio State wanted to move the game to Sunday night and Texas is like we're not moving that game

for Sunday night like put us on a short week and everyone's like well you're playing San Jose State the next week it's like guys that's not really their problem like you could put this game on Saturday night if you want even though I think they're not allowed to do it but the point is I think we got a pretty good idea I I think there are only a couple wild cards but like with NIL we know for a fact

Oregon's going to be sweet Ohio State's going to be sweet Texas is going to be sweet. I mean, Georgia's is proven it over and over. We know Notre Dame's good. We know Penn State's good. I kind of view it. Now, there's going to be a team, you know, like Arizona State last year that's going to come out of nowhere on a given year.

You know, Boise State was kind of a pick last year like most people thought they were going to be that one individual team that stole the at-large bid for the non-power conferences. I don't think people ask me all the time, like the U.S. Open's coming up. in two weeks for golf, like, who's your sleeper? There are no sleepers anymore. I would never bet a sleeper anymore. Bet Scottie Sheffler. And if you want a sleeper, bet Bryson Deschambeau to top five or top ten. John Rahm, maybe, to top five or top ten.

I wouldn't mess with, unless you want to take, like, Tommy Fleetwood to top 20. No sleepers are winning these tournaments anymore. There's no sleeper going to the national championship anymore. It's not going to happen. Look at the way the Final Four played out last year in college basketball. It's just the elites. I mean, it really is.

Love the show. I love that what if question someone sent in the other day and you talked about Torell Davis. There are so many angles you can go with a question, whether it's injuries, what coach lands where,

who drafts who. I think you could do something like that weekly, just kind of get us by until the season starts. Just thought. If you consider, it would love to hear your

what if Willis McGahey doesn't have the horrible injury in the Natty. still had a hell of a 10-year career with over 8,000 yards. I think that's a pretty good one. I think what's his name, Jalen Smith, who was viewed like, I don't know, better than like Roquan Smith coming out of college, and Rochond went where, like seventh or eighth in the draft or Luke Keakley?

I think Roquan, or I mean, Jalen Smith out of Notre Dame, was going to be a pretty special player and had the devastating knee injury. So I think any guy that has a devastating knee injury, Marcus Lattimore, if you remember at South Carolina, had a horrific knee injury. The 49ers drafted him. I remember being a training camp and just seeing like, this guy can't move,

which is sad. Willis McGahey's the best case. You come back and you have a long career. I think one guy, and again, some of these, I was so young. I was in high school when Willis McGahey was in college. But I remember by the time Ricky Williams kind of got his shit together,

and just was trying and with Dave Wonstead in Miami, he was like, this guy's a monster. Can you imagine how good Ricky Williams would have been if he just would have gone to probably a less chaotic place than where he went with the Saints and they traded the draft and then the weed stuff and he left? One, if they just would allow him to smoke weed and two, if he just would have gone to a better organization than the Saints

when Didka traded the whole draft for him? I definitely think that's one of them. Because Ricky Williams was a fucking monster. For the bag. I'm in my mid-20s, firefighter from up north. Seems like all my friends and family are finding their special someone

and I'm patiently waiting. As someone who just got married, how did you manage during your years of dating and waiting for your wife? Also love the side stories of Sequin and Scorpion. I would say,

you just do that. You just date. You know, I think the Mr. and Mrs. Wright, you never know. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in your life that you do not control, when you meet people is definitely one of those

when you're talking about a significant other unless you're marrying your high school sweetheart or someone you met in college. But once you get to the workforce, you know, the one thing with high school in college is like you're around a lot of women, right? Once you become a firefighter, like you're just kind of around the other firefighters.

So unless you're going to marry another firefighter, you're probably going to have to date either going out or internet dating, which is not easy, or have friends introduce you. But for me, I just focused, I just dated, had a good time, and worked. And I just threw everything I had into work. And I just, again, I'm lucky one, and I have a lot of deficiencies, probably insecurities and different things in my life.

But I did never compare myself. Like, I never had FOMO. Was I late to the party? I just was pretty kind of tunnel vision and just doing my own, living my own life. and new people that were having kids. Hell, my brother has two kids. So, and got married in 2018. It's like you just, you don't want to get married just to get married.

Like, that ain't going to work. There's a reason 50% of these things fail. So I would say a lot of, I'm sure people you know that are married aren't happy. So you can't always be jealous or worry. You just, you've got to really work on. It's way easier said than done, especially in the world we live in. is just not comparing yourself to others. The faster you can not do that as much.

Like, this isn't football. We're not in a draft. Well, is this guy stack up to this guy? Like, this is your life. And there are always going to be people doing things that you're not, that you want to do. And you just got to focus on how do you accomplish those things. Now, obviously, when it comes to a wife,

you definitely can change your mindset. Like, I wasn't ready to get married in my 20s. And even through most of my 30s. Like, it wasn't something that I, was, it might have been the people I was meeting, but I didn't bother me. The girl I was dating, I kind of knew. Like, I'm not marrying this girl.

He's got to let life sometimes, it's out of your control. Pray. My question is this. Die-hard Alliance fan. I feel like there are not many weaknesses roster-wise and theoretically should be ready to compete for Super Bowl. Regardless of losing both coordinators, I do have true belief in Campbell.

I want to have equal faith in golf, that he is an elite quarterback to win at all. But when the biggest games occur in the playoffs, I feel like he crumbles. Now I feel like the lines are the right quarterback away from winning a Super Bowl after losing Stafford. But at the same time, we couldn't have gained the assets from the quarterback trade. Do you think golf is good enough to get it done? I do. I think if you're healthy in the dome, you have a shot.

I think if you've got to go on the road outdoors to Philly to Washington, that's going to be pretty hard. I do think he could win in L.A. I think he could win in San Francisco. I think it would just be difficult for to see golf. Now, your team can win. That's the other thing. Like, you can, if you're playing at Green Bay in the second round, let's say they win the division and you're the five seed and you play them in the second round.

And it's zero degrees and it's hard to pass. It's like, well, play defense and run the ball. I mean, the 49ers beat the Packers one year against Aaron Rogers. I think the final score is 13 to 10. So, like, you're going to have to win with a quarterback like him sometimes when he doesn't do that much, which is fine. But I think the scary part with him, just like a lot, I mean, it's no different with Purdy outside. And this is where Stafford has an advantage is like Stafford, we saw him last year in that snow game against Eagles. He was unfaced.

I mean, he was throwing dots. And it's like there are certain players that you just do not trust in outdoor cold conditions. I've seen it with the 49ers from Jimmy Garoppolo to Purdy. It's just not going to be. No problem going on a dome. Go play Minnesota or the Lions in a dome in December or January. It's like, okay. Playing outdoors is hard.

You know, Jalen, if it's not really working, he can run around. That's what makes the top guy so special. Like, do you, like Patrick Mahomes could play in Alaska or he could play in Miami. It wouldn't matter. Most quarterbacks are not that. I do think Jared Goff is good enough to win Super Bowl. I feel as if Green Bay has found the blueprint to always have an elite quarterback. First, find your first elite guy, easier said than done, admittedly.

Then have him lead the franchise until his mid-30s, then draft his replacement, the young kid, sits for two years, and then he takes over. My question is, why isn't the rest of the NFL doing the same? The Saints let Breeze go until the wheels fell off. Same with the Chargers and Rivers, the Giants and Eli. not saying love is going to be the Hall of Famer, but he puts Green Bay in a better position than a lot of quarterbacks. Well, if you look at the Saints, they were really interested in Patrick Mahomes.

I think their plan was to draft Patrick Mahomes, and Veach and the Chiefs found out, and they made sure they didn't. So if Patrick Mahomes is drafted to the Saints, does that look a lot different today? And do the Chiefs look a lot different today? So part of your example, like you said, getting far, getting whoever, Josh Allen, Mahomes, Brady, you name it. Then you need the guy a year or two in, right when he's 33 to 35 range, to be at the right spot to draft.

Look at Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love. They were both picked in the middle of the late 20s. so like Aaron Rogers could have gone one I mean there's a huge element of luck there Jordan Love they deserve credit because he was I don't even want to say falling but he was they targeted him and they traded up to get him

now they've also admitted like if Brandon Ayuk hadn't gone to the Niners they probably would have drafted Brandon Ayuk so I think the drafts a little bit of a crap shoot that way and I think it's like okay we didn't have a guy in the first round we wanted because typically in that situation you're going to be drafting in the 20s

well then I'm not drafting again until the late second round and you know nowadays who's even there what you're saying is right that is the right strategy to do I mean the Patriots tried it the problem is Brady just like wouldn't age

and Bill's like I just got to trade Jimmy because I can't get rid of Brady I mean the crazy part is Bill takes a bunch of shit for like letting Brady go he was 40 fucking two I mean it'd been one thing it's like you know he just he let Tom Brady go at 36

I would say that was pretty nut. He let him go at 42. In the history of sports, if you let a guy go at 42, you're basically right every single time except Tom Brady. Any sport anytime. Except Tom Brady.

He tried. And that was a late second round pick. For the bag, huge fan of your football takes. But I have a different question for you. I work for a large corporation, and they recently announced they're eliminating an entire department, hundreds of jobs,

in favor of using third-party automated vendors. We all know it's AI, they just won't admit it. With that in mind, my question is, how do you see the use of AI affecting the workforce over the next decade? And what, if anything, should be done? I'm pro-making money as you are. You don't have to pay AI a yearly salary,

match its 401K, and you certainly don't have to pay its health insurance. So I get the business decisions behind, this. However, if we have millions or tens of millions of jobs replaced over the next decade or so, what do you think those people will lose their job should do? I don't think it's realistic to expect people to have the skills and experience in an office setting to all become electricians, plumbers, or mechanics. How do they survive? Well, they definitely do not. I think any time we're in these scenarios, I do think it's very easy because doom and gloom and craziness sells.

You know, now, I don't pretend, you know, you're in a situation. In my job, I don't feel it on a daily basis in terms of my use of it. Now, from an investing standpoint, I've invested a pretty heavy allocation into serve robotics, S-E-R-V, no financial advice here, but it's a pretty large holding I have right now. And they're basically just Uber's an investor that's like this robotic company that's going to build robotics to do things, right, from delivering food to building different things. It's clearly coming. I mean, the power of AI,

just using it to look up questions is pretty incredible. And depending on what you do, I see Maria for real estate using Chad GPT all the time. I'm not smart enough to know what everything's going to look like in five years. I saw Gary V. Who, you know, is not afraid to make some proclamations. He's like the tech version of like, coward or Stephen A.

Like he'll come with a strong opinion. He thought that like kids in 20, 30 years will marry robots. I'm like, they're going to be banging robots. I could see a robot that can like cook you dinner and can clean up and can do a lot of things. But like you're legitimately, they're going to be your significant other. But I'm also not naive enough to think like that's impossible one day. So I don't pretend to have the answer. I listen to enough podcasts and watch enough TV with enough smart people

that I don't think they're just following the trend line of like, yeah, this is really going to be something. I think it's clear people in different worlds, especially yours, see the power of it. I mean, hell, you just walk into like a McDonald's.

There aren't even humans. I mean, how far away are we from a McDonald's or Taco Bell having a building and they're not being a human being inside? And it being 100% from making, from making the food to ordering. Honestly, some of these probably exist. I'm always shocked when you walk into like a CVS or some of these,

and there's a person standing there at the front, and they don't check you out. They're just self-checkouts, and she's just kind of there staring at you. It's like, what are they paying you to do? I guess if it goes down, but sometimes it's like an old lady. They're not fixing it.

So is it going to be like millions of people just on the sideline? If that's the case, we'd have a problem. And that's where some people have been saying forever. or like we're going to head it toward universal basic income because they're going to be jobs. There's not going to be jobs for these people. But I mean, one thing I heard something the other day that a lot of these college graduates, like, where are they going right now? It's not a lot of openings because like, why would I hire a guy?

You know, when I was coming out of college, it was like starting salary, you had a college degree in like a business type job. I was just say like $60,000. That was, you know, 2008, 7, I mean, almost 20 years ago. So maybe that number is now. on the city, New York, San Francisco, anywhere from like 75 to 100 grand. I mean, depending. Obviously, these numbers change.

But, like, do they even need that person anymore? But that's the scary part. Where do these people go? Now, we could have a whole other conversation. I was thinking this the other day. I was like, I got two college degrees and they're completely useless. Now, I wouldn't have been able to get my job at Fresno State without my degree of Cal Poly. But that degree of Cal Poly was 100% useless the last 20.

years of my life. It's absolutely had zero impact on me in terms of utilizing anything I learned in a class. Not one thing. It's kind of crazy. Yet, like, your percentage of earning power as a college graduate is so much higher than a non-college graduate, even though I think that paper is completely worthless in terms of the actual substance behind it. Now, the actual result, I guess, is clearly speaks for itself. So it's a long way of, like, I don't really know. I'm interested to see as much, as you. Hopefully they don't come out with Fire Football Podcast, or I'd be fucked. Ben Johnson definitely gives off some weird vibes. And yes, Bears fans are almost as bad as Dallas fans. Since Jayden Daniels ripped their heart out, they've been insufferable. Anyway, we're about the same age.

Who's your all-time running back? I never saw Jim Brown and just missed the juice. Barry Sanders to me is by far and away the best I've seen in a tear all by himself. What say you? Uh, I would say Barry Sanders number one. I would say that the best running back I've ever seen live. I've seen Adrian Peterson have a couple. I've seen him play probably five or six times live. I've seen him have some monster games. I saw him in the peak of his powers and the prime of his career.

That fucking guy was like secretariat. Now, he was a flawed player for being this massive, you know, obviously I can't speak to Jim Brown. I think the juice was clearly pretty talented. I would say Walter Payton. I think if Belichick was sitting here, he would say Jim Brown, Walter Payton would be up there. Adrian Peterson just as a pure runner

was a pretty dominant individual. Now, not a great pass catcher, an awful pass blocker. I would say the two most versatile guys I've ever saw were Marshall Falk and Ladanian-Thomason. They were just, I mean, they would have been so good in 2025 playing in the spread era.

I mean, oh my God. So I would go, I'd go Barry Sanders for Walter Payton. Love listening to Three and Out. Every day. I had a question. How easy the Cardinal's schedule is this year with how easy it is. Do you think they underperform again? They will look to move off Kyler with the upcoming quarterback class?

I would say if they have an overwhelming season that Kyler's job would be in jeopardy. Yes. Because how long are Jonathan Gannon and the GM going to tie themselves to Kyle. Murray a guy? They didn't draft or sign. Now, the problem is I think it's hard to move off guys like Kyler. because they're just good enough to tease you, but not bad enough for you to suck.

Like if Kyler is healthy and play 17 games, I would say their floor is probably 7 and 10, and their ceilings probably 10. So what do you do if you're 8, 9, or 9 and 8, and you miss the playoffs? Which would be kind of my guess of what happens to them. Though they spent some money this off season. I mean, they do got good players.

They drafted Marvin Harrison High. I saw a video of him. It's hard to, I never know if this stuff's AI. anymore. Marvin Harrison right now looks like Terrell Owens. He is yacked. You know, McBride's a stud. They signed sweat on defense. They had a good draft. Who they draft? Pass rusher, the inside pass rusher. They draft to Will Johnson. I think Cardinals are going to be tough. I think they're going to be like one of the best teams that probably doesn't make the playoffs. And just toughest to play on a weekly basis. I'm a football coach and avid golfer. I love the

football content. But in the offseason, you need to hit more golf content. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the non-conforming drivers, big names skipping the memorial, and of course the blood bat to come at Oakmont. I will have a go low tomorrow. That is the game plan as of right now. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some

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Okay, we've got a couple more. Hope you're enjoying Arizona. The question is around Purdy and the contract discussion. I agree you watch the guy and he doesn't have the nuke arm, crazy mobility, or any measurable worth mentioning, but the guy wins. The talk of he only wins because of CMC, Debo, and Trent, grinds my gears. How many quarterbacks have won without multiple Hall of Famers on their team or coaching staff? As a business owner myself, I think about it in an off-the-field manner.

How many business owners succeed without great employees? How many employees succeed without great management? The media is asking the guy to do something few, if any, have ever done. Win a Super Bowl with minimum coaching talent or player talent, I just don't get it. Can you actually think of anyone who's done that? What's unfair to Purdy is because the Niners were so good, his team gets discussed right next to like the Chiefs, the Ravens, and the Bills. So guys, no one, and I mean no one, is comparing him to those quarterbacks.

And if they are, they're fucking idiots. He's not as good as those guys. And everyone's like, what about Borough? Borough, 2. Bro too. But like relative to his conference, which is like Jalen Hertz, Jared Goff, and Dak, the last three years, not counting last year, but the three good years with McCarthy, look at Goff and

Jalen Hertz they're on absolutely loaded offenses both of them have the best offensive lines in the league you know look at the the Eagles have A.J. Brown, Devante Smith and Sequin fucking Barclay. The lions have Jemir Gibbs who's one of the more versatile players in the league

Amin Ross St. Brown who's a badass Sam Laporta if you're doing a tight end draft from scratch I probably not making a pass three or four so it's like they're unloaded offenses do you think either one of those guys with a shitty cast is gonna look good of course not

now I would say the difference now that Ben Johnson's gone you know Kyle but I'm with you like Belichick had Brady you know Fav had Holmgren Montana had Walsh

most good players have good coaches I mean well welcome to a football. It's just the reason he's so polarizing and we mentioned this earlier with the Bryce Huff stuff, we discriminate where you're drafted. We just do. If Brock Purdy had been the 33rd pick, the 21st pick, he would be discussed much differently. But he's the last pick in the draft. So his discussion is like, ah, this can't be real. The guy can't be that good. It's just the way it works. Fair or not. But it's not. But it's not.

never going to change. It would happen to if any of these guys, Will Howard, Riley Leonard, Kyle McCord, you name any of these guys who were just drafted in the six or seventh round went on to be starters and good. They would not be treated the same as last year, Bo Nicks or Michael Panics or any of those guys. We give a high pick, a benefit of the doubt. They should be doing this. They were drafted to die. You shouldn't be doing this. You were drafted late. My question isn't sports related. We've been running our YouTube page for three years and haven't gotten quite the traction we'd like. We film musicians mostly through Montana, but get people nationally that come through. We post consistently and have an okay following,

but thought it'd be more by now, specifically on YouTube. What could we do better to gain growth? Do you think this market is too saturated to gain a real following? Thanks, keep up the best sports podcast alive. I can only speak to the way that I post slash consume. I consume like a search engine. So I mentioned last week driving around that Tesla. I'm like, I'm going to drive a Tesla. So I've watched a lot of people do Tesla reviews. And some of these guys have pretty big followings. But then someone sent me an email like you like Tesla's the number one selling car in the world. So it's like it's a pretty big deal, right? So imagine a lot of people are searching on YouTube for that specific thing.

Well, you know, for June and July, unless I, you know, Howie said he would come on. I think SpyTech's going to come on. Adam Peters, you know, he's kind of trying to give me the run around. Veach ghosted me. Some of these guys, like if I get some of these guys to come on, who knows, maybe it'll do decent. But for the most part, June and July is going to be dead for my business, right? where do I do the most traction during the season? A lot of stuff's happening.

Big stories, games, guys getting injured, just massive things happening. So it's like you're searching specific stuff. Let's say tomorrow, I'm just going to use this as a hypothetical. The Cowboys trade Micah Parsons to the Detroit Lions. Well, if I did a reaction podcast to that, it would do six figures, I would imagine.

Because Shadur Sanders was huge for us. But these are specific stories that people are searching. So if you're just doing generic stuff, how am I going to search you? Right? How am I going to find you? Why would myself as a consumer that searches different things ever fall on your page? And I listen to a lot of music on YouTube. So I'm not trying to like discourage you by any means.

But I think you have to figure out like how can we just because you, post something doesn't mean people are going to come to it, even if it's good. So, like, what I do typically, I mean, two of the 10 months a year, kind of three maybe are dead. I mean, two are just slower. And then a couple in the offseason are a little better than that, but still relatively slow. But, you know, seven, eight, nine months, there's a lot of stuff happening.

So it's all reacting to stories. So that's kind of the business I'm in. I don't just, for the most part, just post something to post something. So I don't know. I don't have a great answer for you. I think most people that have success, you've got to find some sort of niche that people are going to want to like, not even want. It's not even about wanting. It's about just, I don't even know how to describe it.

I don't, I don't, I'm probably the wrong person to ask on this. because I would imagine some people like, you know, a musician just posts a song, right? Like if Kendrick Lamar or Morgan Wallin or Taylor Swift just post a new song on their YouTube page, their following is enormous. It's going to go viral. A ton of people are going to watch it. But like, how does a musician with a thousand followers grow? Maybe you've got to put out some good stuff.

And, you know, you're just recording someone that's playing at your venue. I take it. Maybe, you know, maybe try to pay someone big to come in, maybe to gain some traction. Like, if I just had, I'm trying to think, if I had Stefan Diggs tomorrow on my podcast, and he talked about the bag of pink cocaine, it would be big. It'd probably be one of my biggest videos of all time. It'd be a highly listened to a podcast. You know, but if I had some

some random dude that played in the 90s for the Arizona Cardinals on my podcast There was like a rotational special teams guy No one's gonna care So I don't have a great answer for you, sorry Love the pod and have been a listener since 2023 As a cowboy fan that lives in the DFW I often hear the phrase

The one consistent factor in the Cowboys For nearly 30 year playoff drought I think you mean NFC championship drought, but I know what you mean, is Jerry Jones. I counter that. There are two consistent factors, Jerry Jones and the lack of an elite game-changing quarterback who can win big games. The media as a whole seems to justify Dak Prescott's ability by pointing to his regular season stats. And this is so frustrating to myself and many of my cowboy fan friends. Why do you think the media, by and large, justifies teams, keep keeping quarterbacks who have success in the regular

season and can't win in the playoffs. In my opinion, fans could care less about the regular season. Stats. And the only important thing is winning championships. Dax's stats to me are a recipe for mediocrity and make it so challenging to care about the team. I think it'd be hard to move off Dack. I really do.

And I do understand why they have reinvested in them over the years. I do think this last contract's a little crazy. I can't believe $230 million, especially after some of the playoff performances. I also think on DAC's side, it's like, can't you work with the Cowboys a little bit? Like, you are making so much money because you're the Cowboys quarterback.

Do you want to become a legend and put yourself in the biggest or best opportunity to win? You're making hundreds of millions of dollars no matter what. But he had to take every penny. And I think some of it falls on Jerry and their emotion toward the guy because he's such a likable human being. But I think the Cowboys have been taking advantage in this situation.

Because when they've needed Dak to step up, he simply is not. And when the Cowboys have had to step up for him financially, they have. I do think there is value in the regular season. Because for your team to be consistently good, and they work for three straight years to win 12 games, having a quarterback that you can rely on is important. That's why I understand giving to us some money. He has value.

Because when he's out, the Dolphins suck. but I also see him against good players in the playoffs you got no shot. So he does have value. But like how they gave him the amount of money they did? It's like, you guys are nuts. So there has to be some middle ground. And that's the thing.

It doesn't really feel like there is middle ground. I mean, Sam Darnold was the closest thing we've seen to middle ground. And he just had, you know, an MVP-ish type season. But then he shut the bed in the playoffs and got $55 million. Now, it was only one year and he had to go to a different team. I think there's some loyalty with Jerry with Dak. I'm not anti-Dak, though I do believe it's fair to say he was never quite the same with the ankle injury in terms of mobility.

That was gone. Now he has this crazy hamstring injury. Is he just going to be truly a pocket quarterback? The problem is he doesn't have some big arm. And he's not like, I wouldn't exactly call him like Drew Breeze from the pocket precision picking you apart. I mean, he's a good player, but the Cowboys would be royally, you know what, if this makes him a worse player, this injury.

and I also think it's easy to say dump her it's like well who am I going to date I don't have any other options it's easy for me to say hey you hate your job quit the job well hey I need some money I got two young kids what am I going to do it's much easier to quit that job when you got another one lined up it's much easier to dump your girlfriend

when you've kind of been flirting with this girl at work and you're like she's single gives you the confidence it was easy for the Eagles to be like, you know what, Carson West, you're out of here. We're just going to go with Jalen. It's harder just to get rid of the guy when you don't have any options.

Like, it takes balls to do what Sean Payton did with Russell Wilson. We don't really have any other options. We'll figure it out. Cowboys are in that scenario. Like, we don't really have any other options. So we're just going to pay him $230 million. I don't agree with that.

But I do understand the logic of like, well, fuck else we're going to do. And the answer is you see these other teams, it usually is worse. The Volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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