The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Eagles handle the Commanders, KC takes down Buffalo, Super Bowl match-up is set

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

John Middlekauff gives his big picture take on the final two teams left in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles, as they get ready to go head-to-head in Super Bowl LIX. John explains why he feels why the coaching prowess of Andy Reid and the Chiefs give them the edge. John also gives his flowers to Eagles GM, Howie Roseman, for being able to put together a team that many GMs would not be able to do. Buckle up as we get ready for a Super Bowl match-up for the ages! Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:50 - Kanas City is heading back to the Super Bowl 19:26 - Howie Roseman built the Eagles amazingly 34:45 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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beautiful night i um like every sunday i did a podcast with colin after the bills game and i wanted to do some thoughts as well. So I recorded just some big picture stuff when it came to the Chiefs, when it came to the Eagles. I worked for Howie and Andy. So I told these guys in 2010 when they hired me. I said, do you guys know what? Howie, you're going to win a Super Bowl and Nick Foles. You're going to play Andy twice in Super Bowl. Andy, you're going to rattle off Super Bowls like you're Bill Walsh or Phil Jackson. And I'm just going to be podcasting about it in Scottsdale. So let's all enjoy our life. I got a pretty good insight on these two teams. I know a lot of people in the front offices, the coaching staff.

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up again in the fourth quarter and just can't get it done and just can't get it done. Spagnola calling those blitzes. Other than that, we're going to do a lot of podcasts this week just keep rocking and rolling. I'll dive in on tomorrow's show.

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Which I don't think any of us saw coming But Super Bowl is here I think the matchup that a lot of people were like I don't want the Chiefs Well you got the Chiefs Where people say in them about Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods Like I'm just so tired of Tiger Woods I don't know why

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And I also understand on individual calls that are egregious. I thought this conversation like the Chiefs, they've won all these games over the last half decade just because of the officials, like got a little crazy. I mean, what the fuck are we talking about? It's like, do you think Belichick bent over the Colts because the balls were deflated or because he had Eric Mangini's signs? I remember some of these conversations around the paths.

It's like, guys, they are consistently better than these other teams in the big moments. And the same can be said for the Kansas D Chiefs. And that was on full display tonight. When they needed a big play, they got it. When they needed a big blitz to hit home, they got it. When the bills needed one, they did not get it. Like, they had a lead in the second half at Arrowhead for the second time in, what,

three or four years, and couldn't get it done. Enough said, period, point blank, end of story. And listen, there have been moments. The Patrick Mahomes things on the sideline drives me nuts as well. But to think that they're only winning these games, and that's how it felt because of the officials, is, like, the conversation just got lost. And I honestly stopped following it on the internet. What I saw people screaming at Sheff third day, I'm like, I don't care about any of this,

because that's not why the Chiefs have been winning. They make the critical plays when they have to. And the Ravens and the Bills simply do not. And those two teams view themselves as Super Bowl contenders when the year start for the last three or four years. And when the dust settles, the Chiefs are the only team there. And the only team to beat him over this run post Tom Brady is Joe Burrell. Why? Because he made big plays at Arrowhead. The other guys do not.

the other teams do not, the other coaches do not. They fuck it up somehow. Slash the Chiefs make place. They're hard to beat. And if you are going to lose to a team, if you're Lamar Jackson, if you're Josh Allen, if you're going to lose to Michael Jordan, if you're going to lose to Tiger Woods, if you're going to lose to Tom Brady, it's not the worst thing in the world. You would rather lose to probably some of the historic great champions that the sport is ever going to see than just some random one-off.

They are literally beating everybody. Why? They're more buttoned up. They're better coached. They're just better than you. I mean, it's just really that simple. They are just better than you. I think sometimes we overthink this stuff.

Like, it's like, well, they're just not quite as good on offense. Well, yeah, their defense is dramatically better now. And in big spots, their defensive coordinator makes the greatest calls ever. And when he has to have it, Andy Reid's always going to get a first down. And when the game opens up and he gets his first script, it's just brilliant. It looks like Bill Walsh in his prime. He's not just the best coach in the NFL. He's one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport.

He's one of the greatest coaches in the history of sports. And Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones are some of the greatest champions we've ever seen. And that's who you have to beat. Guys that know how to do it. Guys that are comfortable in that moment. guys that have full belief, they're going to get it done. And the bills, I think, are one of the lone teams that believe they can beat them. I said this before.

Like, I don't think the Ravens think that. I don't think the Eagles are going to think that when they show up. I'm not saying that they can't. I'm just saying they're going to question, can we beat these guys? I do think the bills, because they beat them so many times in the regular season, at least go into the game believing we can beat these guys. Hell, they had a lead in the fourth quarter, 22 to 21. but people had leads against Michael Jordan,

people had leads against Tom Brady, and most of the time they lost. It's pretty crazy, and no one plays this team better than the Buffalo Bills. And Sean McDermott, who worked for Andy Reed for a long time. My first year with the Eagle, Sean McDermott was the defensive coordinator.

High-level cat. I think he's a good coach, but, like, I want to make some grand statement of, like, he's never, like, I don't know, maybe just no one's ever be able. these guys. You know, I don't know what else to say. I really don't.

I don't think like, well, they got to make a change at coach. I mean, they were winning in the fourth quarter, 22 to 21. What else can you ask for? So Andy Reid is just, he's just an all-time great. And he has this unique thing going where his defensive coordinator is clearly one of the greatest defensive coordinators we've ever seen. right, Bill Walsh had George Seifert in the mid-80s. Mike Ditka had Buddy Ryan in the mid-80s.

Bill Parcells had Bill Belichick in the mid-80s. All those guys, obviously, Walsh retires, Seaford becomes a head coach. Buddy Ryan goes to the Eagles and Belichick goes to the Browns. Andy doesn't have to worry about this guy leaving. It is insane that every time he calls a blitz in a big spot, it works. Think of most coaches that are known as blitzers. guys that bring pressure, sometimes they get burned dramatically. And it loses them a game.

Or it's an enormous play in a big spot. It feels like during this run, that never happens against Spags. His blitzes not only work, they like destroy the quarterback or destroy the play. It's fourth and five. You're like, this is a big spot for Josh out on the bills. Their season is on the line. even though technically it wasn't, it kind of was. And then his blitz comes out of nowhere.

It's not like he even showed it. The corner just lined up. And then he is in the backfield before you even blink. It's like, how does he do this? Why can't other people do this? Think how many fans of other teams look at their defensive coordinator five games into the season be like, I don't think this guy knows what he's doing.

And you got Spags who's like Bobby Fisher out there playing chess. And then you've got an offense in Mahomes that feels like their numbers aren't as sexy as they used to be, but are going to make the biggest plays in the biggest moments. And you have the best coach, not just in the league, like I said, potentially ever, definitely on the short list. Like Andy Reid, win or lose this game is easily on the short list with Belichick, Lombardi, Walsh. Like, that's the group he's in. So Sean McDermott, people are going to be like, well, I don't know, he's taking on just, just remove Andy Reid and put in someone else. He's taking on Vince Lombardi. He's taking on Bill Walsh.

Like would anyone, I like Sean a lot. If I had the opportunity to hire Vince Lombardi or Bill Walsh or Sean McDermott, who are you taking? You could say the same thing about John Harbaugh last year. It's not a fair fight. This guy's way better than you. There's a discrepancy at coach. Andy's all time. And he's in the peak of his powers with the best. player he's ever had. And obviously the best team he's ever had. And, you know, I think Jim Johnson, who was an elite defensive coordinator, who taught Spags, who was a lot like Spags, brought the heat. The difference was those teams were awesome, too. They had Donovan McNabb. This team has Patrick Mahomes. I think if you take Patrick Mahomes this first in the last five years and put them on those Eagles teams,

they probably win a couple of Super Bowls. Maybe Tom Brady doesn't win all the Super Bowls in the early 2000s. maybe Andy Reid wins a couple of them. That's the difference. Belichick had Brady. He had Donovan McNabb. Donovan McNabb was a good player. Really good player. Pro Bowl level guy. He ain't this. So when you give an all-time great coach, an all-time great quarterback,

they're going to rattle off Super Bowls. That's what happened with Belichick. That's what happened with Walsh. That's what happened with Jimmy Johnson. That's currently what's happening with Andy Reed. And it's remarkable to watch. If you like sports, I didn't have a dog. in this race. I picked Buffalo. I ended up not betting on them because I used all my money in

my account, a couple thousand dollars, on the Torrey Pines Golf Tournament. And I thought it was a lock and it was up until the last round. And so I didn't have any money. And I was like, I'm not doing this. It would have all been put on Buffalo. So it would have been back to back years betting against the Chiefs. You bet against the Chiefs, you lose. There's just like, you're an idiot. I mean, you bet against the Chiefs, you lose. You bet against Michael Jordan. You bet against Tiger Woods, you lose. That's where we're at now. You bet against Andy Reid, you're going to lose.

Like, no one, I think the Eagles are pretty good. And I worked for Howie Rosen. Like, he's elite. I just watched the Red Sox Yankee documentary, I think it was on Netflix, maybe Amazon Prime. It was awesome. A lot about Theo Epstein. There are some parallels there with Howie.

Now, I don't know if there are personalities parallel each other perfectly, but in terms of how good they are at their job. When I think about the Canseed Chiefs, I think Andy Reid. When I think about the Philadelphia Eagles, I think Howie Roseman. And Howie's intense. He is go, go, go, a hundred miles an hour. It's an intense environment to work for.

But holy shit, he's good at his job. And what the Chiefs have done, as they turned over this roster and they become a defensive team and a little less sexy on offense. You know, Howie, I said this a couple weeks ago, his moves, changed the franchise. One, after the Doug Peterson, Carson, Carson, Wentz, Nick Falls kind of era, as they transitioned, they made a massive pivot when they picked Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson. It was like a, you know, an eye-opening moment for their front office scouting department and their organization.

And they basically said, never again. We are not going to overthink this. We are going to take the best players from the best programs. And over a couple of your stretch, that's exactly what they did. Devante Smith, Alabama. Landon Dickerson, Alabama. Jalen Carter, Georgia. Jordan Davis, Georgia. Nolan Smith, Georgia. Signed, Sequin Barclay, number two overall pick, Penn State.

Even Jalen, who I thought was a little bit of an overdraft, Alabama, Oklahoma. We're not going to draft. Well, this guy might be pretty good from Texas Tech. Sometimes it works. You get Patrick Mahomes. A lot of times it does not. Take the best players from the best programs and limit your chances of whiffing on a guy.

And the Eagles, when you watch their team, you're like, holy shit, they're good. And this team is loaded with moves he made. And last year, and I saw someone tweet this, they were very, very close from firing Nick Siriani and hiring Bill Belichick. That almost happened basically. a year ago today within a week or two, sometime in the middle of January, right? And they didn't,

and they stuck it through. Well, what does Jeffrey Lurie do a really good job of? Pay premiums when he needs to. He gives Vic Fangio, $4.5 million a year. He pays Kellan Moore, $3.5 million a year. So he has two coordinators making a combine $8, $9 million. And listen, Siriani, the guys like him. He's a high energy, positive guy. I'm not really sure what he's doing doesn't totally matter. Why? Because they have a high-price offensive coordinator, they have an elite defensive coordinator, and they have an elite general manager. You could argue the Eagles are the only team in the league where the owner would be comfortable paying the general manager much more than the coach. Nick Siriani should not make more

than Howie, even though he probably does just because his position pays more than GM. Even if Howie's one of the highest-paid GMs, it might be five or six million dollars. low-paid coaches make seven. But when you watch today, anyone in the league could have had Sequin Barclay, they gave him $27 million. Eight teams passed on Jalen Carter, and I get why some of them did it. Risk. This guy's not going to fit in our organization. Every time you watch them play, he's like the best player on the field.

No guard can block the guy. It's why way too early look ahead, that defensive line for the Eagles, which has really come on, is going to be a tough matchup for the Chiefs. is especially you know Nolan Smith coming on Jalen Carter like they got some dudes and it's because of Howie Roseman like think about this draft he was patient he got a little lucky because all the quarterbacks went and no one took defensive players and he got the best corner in the draft by a mile and then he trades up in the second round and gets Cooper de jean who listen everyone likes making fun of all this white corner who I don't know is awesome and is a plug-in play starter at nickel, which in the NFL is a starter?

So all of a sudden, in his draft, he gets Mitchell starting outside corner. He gets Cooper DeGine starting nickel. The previous year, he drafted Jalen Carter, who's one of the best defensive linemen currently in the NFL. He had to Saquan Barclay this offseason. It's like, that's kind of why their team's so awesome right now. Because last year, their DBs sucked, and Saquan Barclay has changed a franchise. Ran for a couple thousand yards.

Today, first carry goes for 55, 60 yards, touchdown, sets the tone for the game. And one thing, and I mentioned this with Colin, that I learned when I was in Philadelphia and Andy Reed, Todd Howie, offensive line, defensive line, defensive line, defensive line. It's why I listen, look ahead at this draft. If I'm the Titans and I am not going to take a quarterback, under no circumstances can I take, I love Travis Hunter. He's one of the most remarkable prospects I've ever seen. But Abdul Carter is an elite prospect as well.

It is a no-brainer. You take the guy at the line of scrimmage. Obviously, you take a quarterback. But if you're not comfortable taking one of the quarterbacks, take an offensive lineman or take a defensive lineman. Because that is where the game is won. Think about what the Chiefs did. They traded Tyree Kill.

They added McDuffie and they added Carlisks. They didn't. go draft another wide receiver. Well, they did this upcoming year at the end of the first round in Xavier Worthy, which I think today, and I mentioned this with Coward. It's like, can imagine me being Bill's fan? I'm watching Xavier Worthy this last month really come on. It's like, we traded that pick with the Chiefs. Couldn't we just have taken Xavier Worthy? And I like Keon Coleman. But all these games come down to, because the NFL, you're constantly churning your roster. You're constantly getting new guys on the team.

in the offseason, in the draft, in free agency, you know, in training camp. So year to year, your teams change. DeAndre Hopkins wasn't on this team last year. Savior Worthy wasn't on this team last year, right? Kareem Hunt wasn't on this team last year. See, I know he's been on the team before, but like you add new players. You get new blood. And your general managers, your team building, matter so much.

Look at the Chiefs. They drafted an offensive tackle in the second round. They thought the guy could be the starter. And then they found out he could not be the starter. Maybe one day he'll be ready, but right now he wasn't ready. So what did they do? They pivoted, and they pivoted quickly. And I think both these two guys, Andy and Howie, and I, listen, I spent two years when I worked in the office before I did college scouting.

Like, I was around Howie a lot. My first year, when I was like the lowest guy on the totem pole, I was essentially Howie's assistant. It is an intense place. honestly a couple weeks in, I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to make it. It really crossed my mind. Like, I don't know if I can do this. It was just my stress levels, the intensity, the pace in which how he operates. It's just the NFL, the pressure you felt.

There was a scene tonight when the Eagles won the conference, right? And they have the celebration in the middle of the field. And they got Jeffrey Lurie up there on the stage. even before when he was going up with a couple minutes left putting in the face of everyone one more game one more game like it's not like Jeffrey Lurie's just content with winning the NFC like he was pretty out of it

he was barely smiling and I remember in a documentary about the Raiders when the John Madden the 70s Raiders finally won the Super Bowl and in the locker room after they had finally won a Super Bowl and like I think it was 75 against the Minnesota to Vikings.

And Al Davis went up to Kenny Stabler, the quarterback, and said, like, are you ready to do this again next year? And Kenny Stable, and he was interviewed for this documentary. He's like, I remember thinking, like, ow, we just won the Super Bowl. Can you just enjoy it for 10 minutes? And there's an element of the Eagles that, like, I remember thinking, like, that kind of reminds me the Eagles. It's like, next day, next thing, next day.

Like, these guys don't celebrate things long. you know, Andy's probably a little happier than kind of the Eagles operation. Not that the Eagles aren't happy, but like both these two operations are going to be 100% like onto the next opponent at 6 in the morning, Monday morning. Like this is not a world of celebratory forever like most fans. Like fans are going to be happy as a pig and shit if you're a Chiefs fan or an Eagles fan all week for the next two weeks. it's not really how you think when you're a coach when you're a GM you're on to the next thing

you're scouting staffs at the senior bowl what do we have to do what scheme do we have to run how do we slow down Sequin Barclay these guys are just intense man and I think Howie is easily the best general manager in the NFL I think his combination of understanding elite talent

understanding team building of where he when he started to where he's at now the depth they have at the line of scrimmage. I mean, think about today. Their center's hurt. Can't start the game. They have to mix and match. Dickerson goes to center. He gets hurt. He's battling through with a bad knee. Comes out of half. He can't go. So then Jurgensen comes back in with a bad back. And it's like they just got play. I mean, the amount of players they have, half the teams,

I watched the NFL for 18th straight weeks. Some teams lose one offensive line. The whole thing. fucking falls apart. And there's a depth to the way these two guys do it because they just focus on the line of scrimmage. And they value coordinators like Steve Spagnola and Vic Fangio are the highest paid coordinators in the NFL. Liam Cohen was going to join that list until he got the Jags job. But I just, the talent discrepancy in the game today was really, really wide.

And we knew that going in. It's like, I just, Jaden has to be remarkable. and he was for a lot of the game. But they just, they're in a gunfight and they got a revolver and the other team has an Uzi. It's like, it's going to be really hard to take down the dude with the Uzi. And that's what it felt like watching the Eagles. Like the Bills, I don't think are as talented as the Chiefs, but because of Josh, but because like they're just mentally tough, they've been through the ringer.

Like that game was close for a reason. Just too well-coached teams. They're tough. They've played in a lot of big games. they have a superstar quarterback Washington I mean that looked that wasn't even a fair fight

I thought it was crazy that the game was even that close so I just you know Siriani he's taking a lot of shit over the years and rightfully so again I

I have nothing against the guy personally I don't totally know what he does but he clearly rallies the troops and guys like him and you know when he was up there with Jeffrey Lurie and he's hyping up Jalen Hertz.

He's good with relationships. And he gets credit for letting his coordinators cook and being a positive influence on the building and clearly how he likes them. And people in the building like him. Like, he's a good guy. He just gets emotionally spent. And that's, you know, Big Dom,

going back to another Super Bowl, one of his roles, to keep him calm. But I'm excited. A lot of people are poo-pooing this matchup. I don't want Chiefs. I don't want the Eagles again. Now, this is two best teams. I mean, Eagles are clearly the best team in the NFC.

and the Chiefs fucking erbed it. I mean, this is back-to-back years. Last year, on the road at Buffalo, on the road against the Ravens. This year, the Texans, but then taking on that Bill's team who just threw the kitchen sink at them and it's just not enough.

And I'll never say again that you just... Chiefs, man, they just find a way. And they covered too, because they were one and a half point favorite and they win by three. So congrats to Andy Reed. Congrats to the Chief's King. Kingdom. Congrats to everyone in Philadelphia.

Just one game left. And let's enjoy it. We're obviously going to talk a lot about it. Brings back some memories. I'm excited for all my buddies. Try to get a ring. My friends that work for the Chiefs, I mean, they have an unlimited amount of rings. So this is just like an extra ring for the trophy case. But the Eagles, this be a big moment.

This is a big game for both teams, obviously. I mean, the Chiefs are chasing such a huge. Historic, historic. Like, no one's ever winning three straight Super Bowls. It's never happened before, and if it happens this time, no one's ever duplicating that again. Like, that's impossible. It's insane that the Chiefs are even here. But this would be a big moment for Philly.

They're their second Super Bowl in less than a decade. They've been to three during that span. They've won them with two different quarterbacks. And like I said, I mean, I'm not trying to get Howie a raise here or anything, but I don't see how, if I was Harry Roseman, I'm like $20 million general manager. I mean, Jeffrey, look at this team I built. I mean, holy shit. And we're the team of the Chiefs?

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. I'm going to do a little middle cough mailbag. I'm recording this mailbag before the Conference Championship games. I just have so many questions from the people out there at John Middilkoff, at John Middlecoff, easiest way to get involved in the thing called the mailbag.

I thought, let's just bang out some questions. So, you know, the context of these games, anything related to any of those players, obviously will not be factored in here. Because I think Eddie, who asked this question about Jalen Hertz and Dak, gives some context here, though, DAC, I mean, this is Jalen's second conference championship game. Dak obviously never been past the second round, but now he's got a new coach. We'll get into that as the week goes on, I'm sure. But my buddies call me a Jalen Hertz meat rider.

I think that means penis. But can you settle out of debate once and for all? Is Hertz better than Dak question for the mailback? Well, I think when you look at Jalen and when you look at Dack, they're completely different players. I mean, Dack in 2025 moving forward, and really he's been this way since he shattered his ankle, is not some dynamic athlete playmaker. He's a pocket quarterback. And as a pocket quarterback, is he better than Jalen hurts 100%.

Now, Jalen, when he's healthy, is a much more dynamic runner. You know, Jalen can turn into a running back. you know, when he's right in terms of he's not like super fast, like Lamar Jackson or Jaden Daniels, but his instincts as a runner are elite, angles, just movement and space, and to me, throwing on the run, deep throwing on the run is something Jalen does really, really well.

What's up, John? Got a question for you. I was listening the other day, I mean, I probably wouldn't really want either, but I think neither team would probably trade their guy for the other. I was listening the other day, maybe the Eagles, well, I don't know. I was listening the other day, I heard you say that it has never been easier to play quarterback in the NFL.

With that being the case, why do you think we don't see guys getting up there in the higher 40s for TD passes as much as we did with guys like Breeze, Brady, Manning, Packers, AR12? You would think that especially with the added game that Payton's record would have been broken by now. Well, I think it's twofold. One, I do think it's objectively a fact. It's never been easier. You are protected at much higher rates. I saw someone put out a reel of Tom Brady, you know, making fun.

It was like a real meme, making fun of Patrick Mahomes and all the hits he takes and the flags he gets. I mean, Tom in the 2000s used to get, oh, Mike, it's crazy, the violence in the NFL 15, 20 years ago. not even comparable to now. In terms of hitting the quarterback, it was unfagged. It was just, it was called football. The other thing 100% you can get away with now are the flags throwing the ball down the field, right? They used to be called hospital balls. Now they're just called minimum 15-yard penalties. But just because it's easier to play foot, you know, quarterback doesn't mean that guys are better at playing quarterback. You know, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, I would say Herbert, the top quarterbacks could have played

in any era. But some of these guys, I think it's more than questionable, how good they would have been way back in the day. I think Jalen's a good example. It was hard to play like he plays, you know, just takes a lot of hits. You can't throw from within the pocket, run all the time. You're going to get crushed. Lamar is such an elite athlete that he can avoid some of it. But some of these quarterbacks, you know, like, is he as good as Rathesborder was in his prime or Philip Rivers? It's just a different game. So it's hard, like, to even compare. pair heiress because it's completely different. It is just completely different. So I think, you know, Mahomes has had seasons where he's throwing for a lot of touchdown passes

with Tyree Kill. I think, you know, listen, you throw for 35, 40 touchdowns, it's a lot. If we have a ton of quarterbacks thrown for 45, 50 touchdowns, we got a problem because we should be able to play some defense. Mailbag, draft slash the Jets, who actually on Was that Saturday hired a general manager? They'd, I'll be honest, had never heard of. But, I mean, there are a lot of guys in the NFL I've never heard of. But congrats on the Jets. They got their coach.

They got their GM. I got no dog in the fight. I'm surprised we've never heard anything of Jordan Travis's contingency plan for when Rogers leaves the Jets. Didn't he fall to the third round because of his injury at Florida State? Seems like a forgotten name who was one of the better college quarterbacks during a 14 playoff before getting hurt in the last game. Well, I think he went later than the, I could be mistaken, but Jordan Travis got drafted in the fifth round. So he's a fifth round pick who had a major leg injury in 23.

So I think there are questions about, I'm trying to find what the injury was. So he was fighting for extra yards, but a defender used the hip job. tackle, left leg, causing his ankle to be twisted. An air cast play so it was carded off. It was announced that he had season-ending college football. Yeah, I don't know if there was ligament damage. I remember it being pretty bad. Now, when Jordan Travis was healthy, I liked the player, like he was a solid player, but I never viewed him as an NFL starting quarterback. You know, good athlete, average arm. Before he got injured, he had 20 touchdowns, two interceptions.

He was doing a good job, obviously not turning the ball over. The previous year for Florida State, when they went 10 and three, 24 and 5. I always viewed him as like a solid player, a guy that could compete to be a backup in the NFL, but I didn't see NFL starter. Now, if he was healthy, which he might not have been, I guess I would have played him for the last couple weeks.

They clearly did not. They went with Rogers. Now, maybe it's because Rogers might retire, so give him just some games. But overall, I don't know, man. I don't see it. Now, I'm not acting like I'm Bill Walshier, but in my eyes, and I watched a lot of Florida State

because my guy, I call him D-ray, but Derek Ray was the GM. Obviously, terrible season. I mean, coming off a rough season, had him on the pod, did not go well. Previous two years, though, 10 and 3, and with Jordan Travis at quarterback, 10 and 3, 11, and 0. I don't know.

I don't see it. I can't imagine that the Texans let slow, go, that's another story. I mean, the amount of stories that dropped Friday night was, we will get into, I'm not going to get in depth about my take on Brian Schottenheimer. But Sloick and Brian, Brian Schottenheimer hired, Sloick fired Friday afternoon. Friday, I mean, Schottenheimer was hired Friday night is the ultimate like, we don't want the PR on this. We want no part of this. The Slowick thing, I was in a car, let me, uh, So he may well just spend amounts by the time you read this. My two cents worth. What was the Texans' biggest offensive problem this year? The porous O-line, which the O-line coach has the best, most consistent protection record. Aaron Kramer, check out his history.

All the best, David. I was in the car, I think, when this got announced on Friday afternoon. And I don't know if I haven't seen this CJ quote, so I'm not trying to push disinformation here. but did he say something or did a story leak about C.J. Stroud not loving the scheme or not being on the same page with Sloic? You don't fire the players. You're clearly not going to fire C.J. Stroud, but anytime you get sacked a million times, it's going to be a problem. And if you're not winning at the highest level when your star quarterback is getting destroyed,

pressure gets put on the offensive coordinator. And you look back Bruce Harriens, they won the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh. They won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh, but the Rooney family, Mike Tomlin, didn't like how often Brothosberger got hit and how often they passed the ball. And I think when you look at Slowick, I don't know if he lost his mojo, if it's as simple as his line, just played really poorly, but his quarterback was getting destroyed. And like ultimately, his personnel is his personnel, so it's on him to kind of adapt, and he clearly could not. So I'm not acting like he deserved to get fired, but it was not going well, and it was not going well at all when it comes to, let's face it,

that they have some fantastic pieces in that organization. No one is more important than the quarterback. When the quarterback is getting destroyed, you're going to be under the gun. Even if you've, I mean, he's been the offense coordinator in the last two years. They've won two playoff games, and that was D'emiko's guy. So I think it's fair to say that this was quarterback owner. I mean, unless D'Miko and Sloak have kind of fallen out of. favor. A little surprise because, I mean, it's announced on Friday, they had lost. When did they

lose? Who'd they lose to? I'm trying to think. Oh, that's Chief Saturday. So I guess it's not as crazy. It's not like they lost the first round. But they wouldn't have known this Monday or Tuesday. Was this a conversation going back and forth? Was this where they kind of looked at each other and realized we're not going to fix our differences? I don't know. Little bizarre to me. Question for the pot. As a 22-year-old who lives in Orange County, California. I've been trying to convince my fiancé to move to Arizona for the last couple of months. Because for our generation, it's nearly impossible to buy a home here. What are some things your wife likes about Arizona that I can use to try and convince her to make the move?

Specifically, Orange County, Newport Beach. A pretty expensive place. I would say this. I've been alive a little bit longer than you. And my advice would be you can't force in situations like this with relationships, specifically with moving or going to a place. I've been around long enough

to see relationships of other people. It's never happened to me. But when someone makes a move that they didn't want to do and the other person wants, it can create resentment and it can create a lot of problems. Even though it's not like you're moving

Arizona, I assume, because you've got family. So you both would be starting from scratch. But if you want to do it and she doesn't, it's very hard to convince a human being. So, like, you can't force her to do something she doesn't want to do. Even if you do have the power to do that and you succeed, it will create problems. I promise you that if she doesn't like it. So if she's not comfortable with moving to, whether it's Arizona, whether it's Texas, whether it's fucking Alaska, it will not matter.

So the only way to convince her is to kind of have her on the same page. Now, she might not want to do it as much as you. But if she is not on board and is pushing back, it's going to be a problem. Now, I think the best advice I ever got years ago was I used to go to kind of this family doctor, get yearly physicals. And he's based out of Davis, California, Sutter Davis. And wise dude, been in the Army, been around. And I was telling him my plans to move to Arizona.

And he's like, here's what I recommend. Because he knew a lot of people over the years that made professional moves and hated it. And he's like, just go there for a couple months and rent. Just go there and feel it out. And I would say whether it's Scottsdale, whether it's Vegas, whether it's wherever you want to go. Just try something out. And you're 22. You guys have your whole life ahead of you.

So you don't have to make any crazy commitments. I mean, unless you start making serious coin, are you going to buy a pass? in Newport Beach, no, you're just not. I mean, those prices are, you know, some of the most expensive real estate in the world. So you're not going to be able to buy home where you're probably want to buy home. But it's like where I live in Scottsdale, it's expensive too.

I mean, it's expensive any area that people are moving to. So it's, that's not going to change. But I say this all the time, wherever you live, and I've lived in Fresno, I've lived in Kansas City, I've lived in Philadelphia. I've lived now in Arizona. I lived in California. Like, your life's kind of your life.

So you want to be comfortable. Like, I think it's easier for humans that are wired like me. Like, I could be pretty unfazed living most places because I'm a pretty consistent routine oriented human. But I think sometimes people that like to socialize or people that are kind of busy bodies where they live kind of matters. And especially with a woman, if she's, He's pushing back. It could go really, really bad. And it's not like, you know, at your age, it's hard to put into context money stuff.

It just is. I mean, you just, you haven't been in the real world long enough. I would imagine high school and then college, like, it's just, it's a lot different after 10 years in the real world and you're 30 years old and you kind of realize this is what costs is how much we can make. This is my earning potential. And I don't put a cap on your earning potential because there shouldn't be one. but it's if she's not on board it it would only create problems so i don't i don't have a great idea because when i came here maria already lived here maria who's from northern california

had lived here since like 2016 she had lived here five years before i even got here so i didn't have to convince anything and she told me early on like i'm not doing some long distance like i you either come here or not i'm like hey honey like i planned on coming here before i even knew you existed. So it's, it just worked out. There was never any, but I've known situations where people battle on it. And, you know, it's,

it can create major, major problems. That you got major problems at home. You got major problems in your life. So good luck. I don't have a great advice there of just like, maybe try to bring her out for a vacation in the winter. Just stay somewhere cool. just see if she enjoys it for like a week, three days, I don't know.

What do you think of my beloved Cleveland Browns need to do to get back to the playoffs? Trade back the number two pick. Trade Miles Garrett for a haul. Where does Defansky rank in your opinion of young offensive coaches? He refuses to give up play, Colin, but I have yet to see the offensive wizardry. What are your thoughts on the hard fall off for Deshawn Watson? Well, I think Deshawn Watson was a fantastic playmaker. I don't think he was a great quarterback.

When you watched him in Texans, a lot of his awesome plays were like outside the pocket. He was like the poor man's Russell Wilson. But like his best season statistically, the team was not good. I mean, didn't they go 4 and 12? I mean, they were horrendous. So I think he was, and then obviously everything that came off the field, he's one of the greatest walking red flags in the history of the quarterback position. So it's like he's got a lot of issues, his skills diminished.

He did not work in the Stefansky under center. He wants to play in the shotgun. And then they put him in the shotgun and it looked like he lost his fastball. And I don't know if physically he's not the same. I mean, now it'll never be the same. Multiple Achilles. I mean, he's just, he's an awful player. I mean, if they cut him tomorrow, he would, no one will ever sign him again.

Like I feel that confident. And I don't ever say that about anybody. I think the best course of action would be, I mean, are you going to draft one of these quarterbacks? Because, I, listen, this is no shade of you guys, but I don't think Dion would let Shador go there. Now, we'll see if Cam Ward goes one. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe just take Cam Ward and see if Stafansky can work with him.

I think Stavansky is solid coach. But I do think he needs his type quarterback. like Stefansky runs his scheme. You know, Stefansky is actually much closer like Kyle Shanahanan. Likes being under center, likes running the ball, like the play action. So if you do that, great. But he doesn't, he's not as comfortable doing all the other stuff.

I would think about trading Miles Garrett. And it's tough. But I think in the situation you guys are in because of Deshaun, he's 29 years old. I mean, if I could trade him right now for three, not, you're not getting three ones, but two ones, I think that's probably the move. I think there's a decent chance he's traded.

My iPhone, I think, is going. I haven't got a new iPhone in years, but I think we're almost there. I've often heard that when a rookie quarterback has success, that during the offseason, D.C.s will pound the tape and find ways to slow them down. I'm curious why these adjustments can't be made during the season. Is there not enough time during the week, or are there adjustments more scheme oriented that teams can make on the fly?

Well, I think during the week, to really, really hone in on a, you have to have the game plan ready by Wednesday, right? It's when the players come in. Obviously, you can tweak it Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. But, like, you've got to have a pretty good idea in 48 hours. So whenever I see, like, why do coaches work so long? Well, they don't have, they have two days to get a game plan ready for the players. So you basically get, you work late Sunday because you're at a game, especially if you're traveling. You get to the office really, really early.

You maybe try to get a workout, bang some breakfast, bang out the tape, grade the tape. Now, if you won, you put the tape to bed, you know, most coaches give players Monday and Tuesday off. Like at 49ers, Kyle Shanahan likes going over the tape at noon on Monday because he thinks you forget it within a couple days. So like players come in no matter what. So it depends on the coach. But then you have the rest of that day and then Tuesday to really develop a game plan. So when I have OTAs and I am Vic Fangio, right, or whoever the Cowboys defensive coordinator is, I can spend a week.

Let's go over every first down, second down, third down, red zone, two minute. we can do a legit week-long breakdown of Jaden Daniels, of Bo Nix. Where during the season, it's like we kind of have a plan of like, we attack first down, then we attack second down, then we attack third down, then we attack Red Zone, then we attack the run game, like everyone kind of has, and you're just in the rhythm. Now, obviously, you're also most coaches, playoffs is different, but on like a week seven game, you're not,

breaking down all seven games. You're probably really focused on the last four. Maybe a game or two more, but you don't have unlimited time. We're in the offseason, in training camp, you have unlimited time. It's why the first game of the season, week one, it's like they've had all off season. So they probably did some shit for you during OTAs. They probably did some stuff for you in the summer. And then they spent a chunk of training camp. When I was with the Eagles, we used to have, like, during OTAs, a giant period, a Washington period, and a Dallas period. So, like, during OTAs, I'm sure Andy does certain stuff like this now with the Chiefs,

that OTAs that you give looks just about your divisional opponents, you're just kind of, hey, this is what Bonito likes to do. You know, this is some tells from Patrick Certain. This is what Vance Joseph, some of his go-toes. It's just extra, extra, extra. It's just extra reps. I just think you're limited on in-seasonability, time-wise. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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A pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of... We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. For the mailback, this is about Mahomes. So this is before the conference games, but it doesn't matter. The whole Mahomes is the go-to-groom argument makes zero sense and is ridiculous. It seems the media is whipped to put Pat on a pedestal. Tom beat Pat twice in the playoffs.

So until Pat has six or seven Super Bowls, he's not even sniffing Brady. Brady was also able to win another team when he left the Hall of Fame coach, and I don't think Pat could do that with no read. Pat is amazing. I believe he will be the second or first best quarterback ever when it's all sudden done. But you say he'll be the goat if he wins this year is ridiculous. Who's really saying that? You know, I mean, Brady's got seven championships.

Seven. and he played till he's 45. So for any human to match that, it feels borderline impossible. I think Pat just has the best chance. Right? It's like the whole LeBron argument. Well, he's had a better career.

It's like Jordan's won six. LeBron's never winning another one. So it's like, yeah, he's going to be it. But the career, you've got six championships. And none of them were in a bubble. So like, people can argue all they want, no one worth their salt is ever picking LeBron over Michael Jordan. I think the same thing with Tom Brady.

Like the dude, seven championships? Hell, just six with the Patriots. And he got to nine Super Bowls, right? Because he lost the Eagles, he lost. Like, losing the Super Bowl is not terrible for your resume. Like, Joe Montana's resume would look better if he's like, he won four, but he went to three others and lost. Elway's resume looks better because he's like, well, he won two, but he also went to

three others and lost. That's good. He went to five Super Bowls. Like, Payton's got two, but he also went to a couple other ones. That's a positive thing. I had this radical idea that the NFL should cut the season by a game.

Guys, that's a radical idea because it's never happening. Remove a few preseason games and put it in a double elimination tournament for the postseason. This would allow teams like the Lions who are in the number one seat a chance at redemption and allow games that are flukes to not change the narrative on a team. It would also double the

amount of playoff games and extend the postseason. It just feels like 16 weeks of football are great, then the sports ends abruptly. Your thoughts? That's football, man. I mean, that's why this game is so much different than everyone else. It's why the NCAA tournament works. You get 60 minutes, man. You screw up in a half. It could be your season. You have a major injury the week before. You're in major trouble. You don't get a seven game series. You don't get a five game series. There are no reprieves. It's the most powerful part

about the games is that every game means so much. Why that game for the Lions is the biggest kick in the nuts of all time, it's like we could go 10 more years of being a good team and never be the one seat again. Obviously they're probably never winning

who it's going to be very rare. You have 15 game winners. So it's like it's just, it's rare to accomplish what they accomplish in the regular season. But then in the postseason, none of it. Like, your seating matters because you get a home game. But ultimately, like, it's just, it's what makes the product so powerful to us, the consumer. Because we know it matters.

Like, I don't have to watch a game one of an NBA playoff series. I don't have to watch game two of an NBA playoff series. You could argue until an elimination game, it's like, yeah, that's the end. NFL every single game is a game seven in the playoffs. That's why college football was rigging. Listen to you every single day. Agree with 98% of the things you say, but you said Jaden would start for the Eagles.

Would you really take A.J. Brown reading books or Devante Smith over Scary Terry? My point was that if you just say like, would Patrick Mahomes start for the Cowboys? Like, no one even hesitates, right? Or would Micah Parsons start for the commanders? I mean, there are certain things that you don't even... Scary Terry is an excellent player.

I would take A.J. Br... If I had to rank the three who I'd want on my team, A.J. Brown, even though he's a little bit of a headache, he would be the first guy of the three I would want. Could you make the argument? Scary Terry over Devante Smith? Fine. I'm not... Like, I'm not going to argue all day with you, but...

In fairness, Terry, this is the best quarterback he's ever. ever played with. And he had 82 catches for 13 touchdowns. So obviously, Devante's had a better situation for catching balls. 95 catches, 81 catches. Yeah, if you want to take Terry McLaurin over Devante Smith, I'm not going to argue with you. Okay. We'll get some more questions. Probably tomorrow. So fire in those mailbacks. Add John Middlecoff. Ad John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in those DMs. Get your question answered here on the show. Just wanted to get some of you guys taking care of because I know a lot of you that DM me don't get your questions

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