The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Extend Ryan Poles, Training camp reports, Jeffery Simmons goes off

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

John dives into the 2023 trade that the Chicago Bears made with the Panthers and how it's been the gift that keeps on giving for the Bear and he gives his thoughts on if Ryan Poles should be getting an extension based on this trade alone. Next, John talks about how the media reads too much into training camp dust-ups and if anything should be made out of the "conversations" the Rodgers and Wilson have been having at Jets training camp.  Later, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 7:05 - Give Ryan Poles an extension 19:53 - Training camp reports 27:18 - Jeffery Simmons gets upset at a radio host 29:37 - Tyson Bagent talks his off-season 39:03 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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DJ Moore signed this big extension. And then today, I started kind of Googling just to remember exactly what the trade was between the bears and the Panthers. And I'm going to go out on a limb and think it has a chance to be one of the greatest trades in the history of professional sports. Not the NFL, all of sports. So I want to go over a little bit of that. It's not even over yet. It's crazy what the bears have now because of that trade. I'm not saying he should,

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Last minute, tickets, lowest price is guaranteed. I would say Ryan Pohl's tenure early on was Rocky. He made a trade that was pretty embarrassing when he traded for Chase Claypool. But I don't care who you look at. It could be Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick. Everyone makes bad moves. Obviously, when you don't have a, you know, a long resume on the job as the boss and you're new to a job, a move early on your career that's bad is magnified, right? When Belichick would make shitty moves in 2016, no one cares.

It's like, well, I've won four Super Bowls and Glenn I won a couple more. I'll see you in three more AFC championship games, right? So Ryan Poles, I would say, has, to quote, dumb and dumber totally redeemed himself because I think there's a chance that the Bears trade with the Carolina Panthers will go down as the greatest transaction in the history of American sports. I looked at it today. It is insane. And it got me thinking because yesterday when I was recording the podcast, I'd already

recorded the main part of the podcast. We were starting the mailbag. News broke about DJ Moore, getting a massive extension. I mean, the dude had 96 catches, 1,300 plus yards and eight touchdowns with, I mean, multiple different quarterbacks. Most of could not throw very well. Like what? DJ Moore is a stud. He was part of the deal.

And listen, anytime you make a trade, even if it's for a great player or a big draft day trade, there's luck involved. I mean, let's face it, there is luck involved. I mean, let's face it, there is luck involved in most transactions. I heard a story when I was in Tahoe about Joe Lacob, the owner of the Warriors. Well, he accumulated his wealth in the investing venture capital world. And he was partners with some guys. And they were one of the first big investors into a little company called Google. And at the time, Google, I don't know if they were quite a company based out of a garage.

but they were closer to that than what they are now. And they were not some can't miss home run. And from my understanding, that transaction netted them well over half a billion dollars. And the investment, a couple million dollars, whatever it was, it's an all-timer. And even when you hear these stories, like even if you believe in what you're doing, it's hard to think about the best, best case scenario. And I think when you look at the Chicago Bears, it was an easy trade for them to make because they were essentially getting three first round picks.

They were swapping to nine. They were getting the following year's first round pick. And they were getting DJ Moore, which Ryan Paul said, we valued as a first round pick, which I would agree with them because when they traded for him, now they gave him an extension. He was already under his second contract. So he was a cost controlled player. I mean, they just gave a guy an extension. He has two more years on his deal.

So they're getting out ahead of it. They also received two second round picks, one that first year, and then another one coming in 2025. But if you look at it from the Carolina standpoint, they traded for Bryce Young. That's their asset. They got Bryce Young, who I've heard is having a pretty solid camp. And listen, I'm not trying to act like he's got no shot, but if you watch him his rookie year, the size, even if you think he can get better at playing and they do a better job coaching around him, It's just hard to envision a guy $5.9.

You know, buck 75. God be weighed in at $200 at the combine. I think that was minimum 15 pounds of fake weight. So I'll give them $184 to be some high-end top 15 player. But the Chicago Bears now officially with extending DJ Moore, here is what they netted from that trade. When they traded back to nine, they actually then did another trade.

with the Philadelphia Eagles, just from 9 to 10, and selected the guy clearly they would have taken at 9. And they got a fourth round pick, which they used this year. They drafted Darnell Wright, who started 17 games for them at right tackle. I'm not acting like he's the next Lane Johnson, but based on his rookie year, is pretty good. And anytime you get a starting tackle, that's a win. Well, obviously, because of a...

They also had a second round pick last year, which they traded up a couple spots and got Tyreeks Stevenson, who started 16 games for them across from their all pro pro bowl corner, Jalen Johnson. So they got a starting tackle and a starting corner. That's just year one. Then because the Panthers couldn't have been any worse, it led them to get Caleb Williams. And let's remove the corner, the right tackle, and DJ Moore. There is not a team in the history of football. NFL, AFL, UFL, XFL, USFL, any European leagues who would trade Caleb Williams for Bryce Young.

The Panthers, obviously last year, would have taken Caleb Williams if he had been eligible to come out. We all said it two years ago. If Caleb Williams could have been in that draft, he would have been number one overall pick. so they got an inferior player if it was just one to one. But the Bears already accumulated right tackle, starting corner, DJ Moore, and now Caleb Williams. But because of that trade with the Eagles going back one spot, they had an extra 2,024 fourth round pick.

And they took a punter who, listen, anytime you draft a kicker or a punter, great unknown. Because a lot of undrafted guys at those positions come on to be great players. This guy was the right guy winner. So who knows, but if they get their starting punter, their starting quarterback, starting right tackle, starting left corner or right corner, depending on the day, which angle you're at, and DJ Moore, but we're not done yet. We're not done. The trade is not over. They still have a 2025 second round pick coming. I think if most of us were being objective, no bias, right? not a Panther fan, not a Panther hater, not betting on it or whatever, if we say, where are the Panthers this season most likely to be drafting? One through 10, 11 through 20, or 21 through 32.

I think if we did a poll, like one of those political polls, but one that actual people that you know participated in, I think the overwhelming majority of people would pick in the top 10. So if you're drafting in the top 10, that means your second round pick is usually pretty good. I was watching Giants Hard Knocks the other night, or I guess last night. Well, part of sucking and having a top 10 pick means you draft high in the other rounds. So it's a great benefit. Because now granted, they use their second round pick to get Brian Burns, pick 39, but they had another second round pick. I have to go look up where it came from. But my point is, when you stink, This is why I've always defended when good teams have a rough year or two drafting.

You do know it's difficult. Drafting pick 28, which also means you're drafting at the end of every round. So you are getting the shittiest player in theory in each round. It is difficult. It is way easier to be drafting 7th and then carry over through the rounds. You should have a good draft. If you don't, that's on you. it's why once you're good and you have good drafts like Vich,

like you get extra credit because you're not exactly swimming in the deep end on that. Most of the talent is off the board by the time your selection comes around. So listen, there's luck involved in this. Even though based on what they were getting, it was so much they had to say yes. I would say this could not have gone any better. And it could not be going that much better. if Caleb Williams becomes a top 10 quarterback, I would say regardless of these other players, you could argue it's one of the great trades ever.

If Darnell Wright is their right tackle for the next eight, nine years, if DJ Moore continues to produce as he's been producing his entire career with random quarterbacks, if Tyreeks Stevenson continues to start at corner, one of the most important positions on the field, if the dude they draft in the fourth round is just their punter and if they get anything out of this 2025 second round, I don't see how it's humanly possible

to do more in a trade. I think this will easily go down as the greatest trade, not in NFL history, in American history. Maybe there have been more transcendent trades. Babe Ruth, right, was once traded.

Joe Montana was trade. The bigger individual names at the time were traded, but just in terms of a totality of what you accumulated for the number one overall pick, Ryan Pohl should get an extension off this alone. He really should. I mean, I don't know how it gets any better from a general manager. I really don't. If I was an owner, I would extend them right now just based on looking at the information we have based on the trade. and that's got to be one. And David Tapper, listen, he's in the invested in world.

He's an all-time stock trader. You're not going to win them all. But it's tough when you swing and whiff on something like this. This one is going to be hard to shake. It's easy to go, well, it's water under the bridge. You know, it's sunk cost. Not sunk costs are all the same. Not sunk costs are all equal.

It's one thing if you walk in, you're like, God, bought a bunch of chicken from Costco. It's all rotten. Whatever. He spent 50 bucks. Remodel your whole house, have the roof leak, and ruin your entire floor. A little different. I would say they don't parallel each other. And I would put this under one of those disastrous sunk costs. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at It Podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it.

Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed cracks. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. One thing that drives me nuts are HAMP reports that gain a lot. lot of steam. And listen, I'm not anti all these reporters at practice. I've done it forever, tweeting about what's going on. It is entertaining and it's fun. Where I do have a gripe is the things we pick and choose. And I understand the way social media works. There was a video yesterday

of Aaron Rogers and Garrett Wilson on the field, which what looked like after a team drill. And they were, you know, Garrett Wilson was kind of screaming out of him and Rogers was giving it back and everyone's like, what does this mean? Sometimes it happens when a coach, I saw, was it George Pickens the other day? This is probably before Pats came on, was getting into it with a position coach. You know what this is called, guys? Football. It's called football.

To me, controversial things in training camp are like what's going on with Matt Judon. Or they had to tell him to leave the practice field. that's a problem. Coaches yelling at players, players yelling at coaches, players yelling at each other is called training camp. So I saw this, like nothing is dumber to me than making a big deal about people getting it into it on the sideline during practice. It's really hot, you're grinding it out, especially in, I would say, most levels of football, high school college pro. The offense is typically slow.

It's usually not on the same page where the defense has a massive advantage. So your offense gets frustrated. Like I said, welcome to the sport. Here's another one. And I saw this because probably a disproportionate amount of things that I follow are content creators for the 49ers. And this was a big, big deal last year because people, like, are we sure Brock Purdy should be the starter?

Give Trey Lance a shot. Turned out, Trey Lance was never even going to win the second string quarterback. But every interception that happened in practice, you would have felt like it was a fourth quarter of a playoff game. It's like, guys, you do realize that interceptions for starting quarterbacks, established starting quarterbacks, are completely irrelevant.

It's kind of like spring training in baseball when you see starters. give up a lot of home runs. In Arizona it happens a lot. Partly the ball flies here. But the other thing is, sometimes the starter after the game would be like, you gave it four home runs. Like, yeah, I was only throwing fast balls.

I was just working on my fastball location. And I see this with Brock Purdy. He threw some picks. It's like, well, yeah, he could check the ball down every single play in practice. McCaffrey or work on his timing and push the ball down the field. and in July, if you're going to throw some interceptions,

and this goes for a Dak Prescott, a Kirk Cousins, you name it. No one really nitpicks like a Mahomes if he throws picks in practice or even Josh Allen or Lamar at this point. But there is the group of other guys, Derek Carr. If you are a 100% lock starter week one, interceptions in training camp do not matter. Nobody cares. Now, if you just threw a pick every single plate, you couldn't function as a team.

There was one stretch. Might have been Jimmy Garoppelos. Might have been the year they went to the Super Bowl in 2009. It could have been 21. I lose track of time. Might have been after that, like 21. Well, I think he threw four straight interceptions in practice, and two of them were pick sixes. And do you know what happened?

Jimmy Garoppos was starting quarterback. And when the dust settled, do you know what happened? The 49ers were in the playoffs. And I just think, listen, practice is about working on things, developing timing. It's no different in the spring training with the pitchers. You should not be perfect in practice. And like I said, it's well documented. I saw Jim Harbaugh talking about this the other day.

It's pretty well established. Defenses are way ahead of offenses in high level college football and definitely in the NFL. Now, I just, some of the stuff that gets made a big deal is pretty laughable. Now, I did see a couple clips throughout the last 24, 48 hours that I thought just were incredible. And one thing I miss in sports, this usually happened a lot in baseball, is their managers would throw some legendary tirates. Remember how McCrae has one. LaSorda has a bunch. Leland has some good ones.

They don't really exist anymore. And I miss that. And it's kind of sad. The NBA used to have huge personalities with their kids. coaches. And they used to just getting a lot of tussles with the press. And it's kind, it doesn't happen as much anymore. Now it's more over social media. And I get being a player, if you were young and seeing just like overweight radio host, well, let's just go to this. This Tennessee Titans and Jeffrey Simmons, who I was, I was texting with a buddy on the staff.

He's like, it is stupid how good this guy is. When he tries on a given play, we have no shot to stop. I mean, he's one of the best defensive linemen in the league. And to put this in context, I can't. I don't follow Tennessee radio. I don't know what was tweeted. Honestly, I don't care. This was just incredible. Jeff, you want to sit down?

We can talk whenever you want to talk. Jeff. We'll deal with that later. Roger McCreary sitting down with us here on 104-5. Jeff, I mean, we're on the air right now. I'm right here, Jeff. We can talk anytime you want to. Unbelievable.

We got to make that happen. Well, we'll deal with that later on. Roger McCreary sitting down with us here on 104-5, the zone. Jeff, if you want to sit down and talk about this, we can talk about this. I'm talking to you right here. Jeff, we tried to talk to you last week. I'm being rude to Roger. We'll deal with you later.

Roger. What's going on? It's good. You're doing good out here. I'm doing good. How was the day of practice? First padded practice. I mean, his teammates sitting down.

He is taking collateral, just friendly fire everywhere. Just a disaster. You got the radio host. And listen, I have been in this situation. I would guess that that radio station has the Titans games. When I worked in the Bay Area, we have the Raiders games. So if you were being critical and stuff, during training camp, they set you up right there. Like we were right on the field.

And social media probably then 14, 15, 16 kind of range was a little different than it is now. It's probably way more powerful now. But it could be a little awkward. But I do appreciate, I'm a sucker for a good radio host and a player that know each other through the airwaves, the podcast waves, social media, seeing each other in person and just kind of screaming it out.

And I saw that Jeffrey Simmons has apologized, said that it was out of character, and I guess they hashed it out. I just, I want more of that. I miss that. Some of my greatest memories

as a young sports fan were just, was mayhem. I mean, one of the most legendary clips of all time is Jim Rome, with Chris Everett or Jim Everett and he kept calling him Chris Everett

and Jim Everett who clearly was a big MFer basically picked up Jim Roman slammed him to the ground but I just think we need more of that we really do. I thought I was going to have that actually the combine when Dayball got on the elevator with me but we didn't even say a word.

I was buckled up. I was ready. I was like, I'm going to get it right now. Not physically, but I thought he was going to be pissed. What, you listen, he is right. I said what I said, which was factual. And by the way, Daibo looks fantastic right now. I mean,

he's got to be on Ozempic. He claimed Pilates, but I just can't lose that much weight. And listen, I'm not anti-Ozemic or whatever. I'm someone who's, you know, battles a little bit, trying to eat a little healthy.

So props to Daveno, he really looks just, he looks great. But this might have been one of the best things I've ever heard. Last year, like the overwhelming majority 100% of sports fans, unless you went to Shepard College

or worked as an NFL scout currently, you had never heard of this human, Tyson Badgett and he ended up playing. And he actually started the game to beat the Raiders, which I'm pretty sure did in Josh McDaniels because he got fired the next day. But this is a player who I don't know much about because he's, you know, he's not one of those guys

you watch through college. You just learned about him when he got to the NFL. out. And he was asked about competing kind of for a backup job and gave one of the greatest answers of all time. Yeah, you know, I didn't really think too much about it. I was too busy grinding my absolute face off in the off season. But whatever they were going to do, you know, that's completely up to them. I can't control that. But yeah, I was just excited to come back. Whoever was going to be in the QB room was going to be in the QB room. I was, nothing was going to change on my end though. But yeah, I mean, like you said, it feels good.

know that they have some, you know, they have confidence in me and that, you know, that they like what I was able to do last year and hopefully they're being able to see the strides that I've made in the off season and going into year two. What was the hardest grinding your face off thing that you did? June 19th, shout out to my, one of my best friends, Derek Gallagher, one mile burpee burpee brawl jump. Hour and seven minutes. Let's go. Is that a mile? Burpee brawl jump.

Burpee brawl jump. One mile. How are you burned out? I don't know. I ate a lot after that. It was nice. What would you eat afterwards? Where'd you call after that?

I went to Betty's. Shout out to Shepardstown, West Virginia. Went to Betty's restaurant. I think I just got six eggs and bacon with some toast. I might not be getting better necessarily at football when I'm doing a workout like that. However, just the mental edge that it gives me finding out what I can endure versus what the next man can endure, in a sense, gives me a little mental edge. I show up to things like this and people start complaining about our schedule. I can kind of have somewhere in the back of my head that I've done things far worse than this.

That I can handle necessarily really kind of anything that's thrown at me and be able to just keep the main thing to main thing, let it flow off the shoulders and just kind of, you know, react to what happens next. One thing I think I'm going to attempt to do because I get asked a lot, like, what do you do? And I used to try to like give a long spiel. like, you know, I used to work at radio. Now I'm in the podcast business. And they're like, what are you sell? I'm like, no, I host podcasts.

And over the last couple years, you just get more secure. You're like, I'm a podcast, right? I just say that. I think when someone asked me what I do for a living, I'm just going to say grind my face off. I can't even imagine doing a mile of burpee broad jumps. He said he did it in an hour. And there's a guy who's in the NFL.

I wonder if you took just a random guy like me, you know, mid, late 30s, decent shape, goes to the gym, how long it would take me to accomplish that, how many times I would throw up, if I would even be able to move. If it took an NFL athlete of burpee broad jumps, an hour, do you think what would be the over under for just a random non-professional athlete who just goes to the gym in decent shape? to accomplish that. Hour and a half, two. I can't even fathom the pain. You would feel in your legs, your heart might explode.

You wouldn't be able to breathe. And like he said, like does it help me a football? Like, not directly. It doesn't help me read a defense or make a better throw, but mentally, and I totally agree.

That feels like something that SEAL Team 6 would do. Or you would have to, the dude for SEAL Team 6 to even give you a shot to be on the squad. Where would you even think about that? Where would someone come up? We're going to go a mile. Burpee broad jumps.

And obviously a burpee is just down and up essentially. And you kind of add a push-up or not. But in the broad jump, I'm speechless. I really am. I think that's one of the greatest, achievements of non-like actual sports, like not like a golfer or tennis or football or rugby or whatever, like a real sport,

just a CrossFit type workout. I've ever heard of. I truly believe that. That is a remarkable accomplishment. Other than that, we're going to have Jake Rosenberg, who used to be one of Howie's right-hand men on the pod tomorrow. we're just going to we're going to call it contracts for dummies because I like most of you get really

confused with dead money cap bonuses like how it all works. It's very simple in baseball and basketball. It's like, hey, we just signed him $200 million. He gets $40 million a year. We signed him to do a three year, $100 million deal in baseball. He can opt out it for two years. This year he makes 25. Next year he makes 35 and like, oh, fall that last year he makes 30 if he opts in. football, you just never truly know what's going on. So we will discuss that. And other than that, I did see something crazy yesterday on Instagram. You know, sometimes you're scrolling Instagram.

It's crazy. Their algorithms, how they work, right? I'll get something with a dog. It'll make me laugh or cry. Then I'll get some highlight package from, you know, 1996 of Barry Sanders, which I'll just be glued to for like four minutes. And then I'll get like Joe Rogan discussing drumsticks. the ice cream.

And I had never seen this, and it really made me question myself, is that someone took one of those drumsticks, which I would say over and or drumsticks I've had in my life, probably closer to 100 than it is 50. They left it out all night. Right. If you leave ice cream,

I'm man enough to admit as a struggling, skinny fat guy, I've ordered ice cream on DoorDash before. I don't want to go to Coldstone or Basket Rob, or whatever, and you almost have to do the express to even give yourself a chance is the ultimate lazy move to hope it's not too melted. And you don't have to put it into the freezer for extra 10, 50 minutes because it's kind of melted, but ice cream melts.

I mean, that's what happens. But these people, or this guy ran an experiment, he left the drumstick out all night. Actually, it was 24 hours. And you know how the nuts are on the chocolate on top of the cone. And he cut it. and the ice cream hadn't melted. And I guess on the drumstick box, to consider something ice cream,

it has to have like 10% of milk fat or whatever. And they don't even consider it ice cream. And I started thinking to myself, holy, holy, how bad all the drumsticks I've eaten. I mean, my parents used to get them for us when we were kids. You go to sleepovers. Someone would have like two boxes of drumsticks. You'd like three your buddies and you just,

you'd cash both boxes by. 9 o'clock at night. Turns out, I was telling Maria, then it really got me thinking. Remember those, anyone that is kind of similar to my age, the luncheables, which are basically charcutory

for little kids. But then they also created the pizza one. You know, the pizza, they give you like three, four little pizzas. They give you some pepperoni, some cheese and some sauce.

I mean, I can't even imagine what was in those things. And I used to house those in like six, seven grade all the time. But keep your head on a swivel when you're eating, man. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Okay, let's dive into a little thing that we like to call the Middlecough mailbag. At John Middlecough, at John Middlecough is the Instagram handle. Fire in those DMs, get your question answered here on the show. Really, really easier to do. Start with Chris. John, stick to your gut and don't do the big bet on the chargers to make the playoffs at plus 110 or whatever it is. You will regret it if it doesn't hit.

If Herbert gets injured, the bet is dead. If you are going to go to do some future bets, it has to be high odds. I won the bucks plus 850 to win the division last year. and they are plus 325 this year. Obviously the Falcons can win it, but the real odds are much better than the implied odds of them winning it. If you want lower odds, the bills are plus 165 to win the division, a much better bet than the Chargers.

Well, the Chargers, part of it is my admiration for old Jim Harbaugh. I love the bills. and I looked before I read that question. Two bets that I like a lot are over 10.5 wins for the bills plus 130. So if you bet 5 grand, you'd win 11.5. For them to win the division on draft kings, promo code John, it's actually plus 180. So if I bet $5,000 on them to win the AFC East, which they have done a lot, I think four straight years, I think the Patriots in 2018 when they played the Chiefs had won the division 10 straight years. So we've seen in this division one team with the best quarterback dominate it plus 180.

If I bet $5,000 on that, it would pay $14K. You're right. I mean, there are some risk involved with Jim Harbaugh. in the sense of the roster, but I just believe in what I've seen out of the guy, but you could argue the bill's a little bit of a safer bet. I want to do larger bets on something I feel good about.

Chargers definitely has some risk in it. I think the bill's a lot lower risk. But when you use the example of if Herbert goes down, well, I could say the same thing for Josh Allen. You could say the same thing if you took the Ravens to win the division and Lamar goes down.

Obviously last year with the Bengals, so you just got to keep your fingers crossed with a star quarterback. You know, if Patrick Mahomes went down, are the Chiefs winning that division? I don't think they would with Carson Wentz. Question for the mailback. I agree with you about Tua not deserving to be paid like the rest of the top quarterbacks in the league. He definitely is not on that level.

However, you said that if Tua was to hit the open mark, there wouldn't be teams bidding against them. Maybe not a lot of teams, but definitely a few. I personally think teams like Seattle would be a great spot for Tua. It would get him out of the AFC and back to the West Coast. He would have to go to snowy, he wouldn't have to go to Snowy Road playoff games as often. And I think the cast of characters that Seattle has on offense,

it would be exciting. We've seen Tua be able to get the ball to playmakers, something I think Gino can lack. You've said that Dack can get hot and go on a run and the Cowboys could have a chance at the Super Bowl. Why couldn't do it? Well, I think Dax is a better player. I've seen Dax in high-leverage games against good teams

in November and December and play well. I saw him play awesome outside against the Eagles late in the season last year. We have seen Dack excel late in the season. Now he's older. I just think DAC by every metric is just better He's bigger

Better arm Not the DAC has a great arm You could argue they're similar arms He's definitely more mobile I just think he's a better player Now I never said that no one would want him My point is who's bidding against them at that price Right

If you go to CarMax right now And you find I don't know two people want the same car. Well, if one guy's willing to pay 70 grand and the other guys be like, hey, I'll give you a 50 grand. Like, there's a big difference.

Right, that's a large percentage from 70 to 50. That's my point is like, our teams would be lined up. Seattle would give them $180 or $70 million guaranteed. I don't know, man. You're telling me, John Schneider, who pounded the table. Think of the quarterbacks John Schneider likes.

I actually disagree with that one. He loved Russell Wilson. Well, Russell Wilson had a big arm and was really mobile. He wanted a trade with the Browns. Remember when he offered Russell Wilson and Russell like refused because he wanted Josh Allen. John Snyder had an affinity for Drew Locke in the trade. Why?

Drew Lock's got a big arm. Now, he's not the caliber of players of the other guys, but look at the type, Gino Smith has a big arm. I don't think Tua's John Schneider's type player at all. And the other thing is Mike McDonald, being a defensive guy, would he go, does Tua scare me if I'm game playing against?

Because that's how he would look at it in the evaluation. So, again, not saying no team would be interested in him. He's a starting quarterback in the NFL and there's value there. but Seattle, I would not have them near the top. Hope you're doing well. Thanks for providing us with content on a regular basis. Wanted to get your opinion regarding who you think the favorite for the awards next year, specifically coach of the year.

Well, who won it last year? Stafansky. Coach of the year can be a little bit of a challenge because it's either a team that you think is going to suck that then is good dayball a couple years ago. Or a team like the Brown, who made the playoffs with Joe Flacco. So to me, you can never guess in that scenario

when something weird happens and the team maintains being good. Like if Josh Allen missed two months and the bill still won 11 games, McDermott would get it. But you can't foresee that gambling before the season. So I would argue your best bet would be to pick a team who no one thinks going to be that good. Like the Saints,

What if the Saints won 12 games this year? I'm not saying they will. I'm just giving a hypothetical. Like Dennis Allen would have a pretty good chance. Or if the Arizona Cardinals won 10. I think you have to look at a team that people don't think is going to be in the playoff mix or be in the playoffs and go, what if this team's in the playoffs? Offensive player of the year.

MVP, rookie of the year, comeback player of the year. I would say player, comeback player of the year. If Rogers is solid, he's going to get it. Taryn his Achilles. Like, to me, it's got him written all over. it, even more than Joe Burrell. Because Rogers missed the entire, I mean, played three or four or five snaps, whatever it was.

The other ones, I mean, it's the MVP. Your best bet is typically a quarterback, right? So Mahomes, Lamar, or Josh Allen, probably be the safest bets. Maybe Jalen hurts. I mean, they're pretty loaded on offense if he were to throw 35 touchdowns. Or a count for 40, maybe throw 30 run for another 10. in order, I think Dave Canales,

I don't think the Panthers are going to win enough games for him to get the award. For Canales to get it, I think they would have to win probably, I think it's hard for a coach. I'd have to look at the recent winners. But if you went 8 and 9, which would be an unreal season for the Panthers, I don't think you can win it at 8 and 9, even though he would be worthy of it. But I think they're more likely to win like six games.

Justin Jefferson, player of the year, Herbert MVP Nick's rookie of the year Don't hate it I think Caleb Has a pretty good chance as well And Darnold is a sleeper

I think it's going to be very very difficult For Rogers not to win it If he plays 17 games But I like where your heads at Out of the 2024 quarterback first round picks Which one do you think If any will be bus

Which one do you think will be stars? Well, I think the easy way to go is it's going to be hard for Caleb to not be good, right? He is very talented and they have a lot of offensive weapons. I would say when you look at Jaden Daniels, you go a little bit, I mean, he was a one-year wonder. He had Malik Neighbors, who, I mean, might be a star in the NFL. His other wide receiver was drafted in the early 20s right to the Jags. So he had two guys go in the top 25 picks. One guy go in the top six, who easily could have been the fourth pick.

His defensive coach is a head coach. So he's very reliant on his offensive coordinator. And the offensive coordinator is Cliff Kingsbury. So you just go, that thing could get weird. Drake May, I think there are going to be some growing pains this year in Washington, just natural transition of kind of starting over. obviously Drake May would be an easy guy to pick to just fail. The organization, defensive head coach who's only been coaching for three or four years,

not much talent on the roster. The offensive line could be awful. That could just be a very, very rough couple years. And for every Alex Smith who can be really shitty, shitty, shitty, and then all of a sudden resurrect his career, most guys get just wiped out and just turn into a backup. Pennix I mean it's just a bizarre situation

Right how long does he sit when does he actually play Does he end up starting for the Falcons or is he on another team one day who knows Obviously Bo Nicks having Sean Peyton is a huge huge advantage And J.J. McCarthy having Kevin O'Connell is a huge huge advantage I think beside like the The ultra talented guys Where you just go it's going to be hard for this guy to fail

and like we've already discussed the Bears roster for a team drafting number one. I mean, they didn't even have the number one pick but the way they ended up having it. Obviously, it's a unique situation because of the trade. I think you just try to bet if you go, I like the offensive play caller,

who's also the head coach, you just bet on that and you bet against the defensive coaches. I think if you just followed that formula, you'd be right a lot more than you're wrong. Pickleball is the crossfit of sports. I've never played pickleball in my life. And I mentioned this on the podcast the other day. My natural inclination is just to talk a little shit.

It's just my natural inclination. Clearly people like it. It's an enjoyable activity. I'll say this about CrossFit. I had never done CrossFit in my life until I moved to Arizona. And I started going to this place because a couple of buddies had recommended it to me. And I haven't been in like six months and they're mad at me. I get texts like, you better be showing up.

I'm going to show up. I think I'm going to get back into it during football season because my workout's done by 7 a.m. And I have the rest of the day to grind my face off. CrossFit is hard. CrossFit, you could make fun of it. And people that take it very, very seriously on social media, I understand, you know, the pushback or the sarcastic remarks on the other side. Whenever I did it, I felt incredible the rest of the day.

Like it works. To me, pickleball, fat guy's tennis. During hard knocks, it seemed like Malik Neighbors was unhappy being selected by the Giants. If Neighbors isn't spectacular, do you see Dayball and Joe Shane getting fired?

I do wonder if he would have reacted like that with any team selecting them. It didn't feel like Neighbors was some big jump up and celebrate the moment he got. out the call. But I do agree when you just watch the video of him getting the call. He wasn't overjoyed. He wasn't doing cartwheels in the in the green room with the other players. I do think as the night went on, he did the face time with the entire group. You see this if you haven't watched the last episode of Hard Knocks Giants. He definitely looked happier. I think he'll be fine.

I mean, he's, he's an excellent prospect. I mean, he's an elite player. Like, that's a good pick. The last episode, and I've said this, the Hard Knocks was fantastic. When it was announced, they were doing it, I'm sure like most people thought,

like I'm not watching this stupid. I thought that's one of the better NFL programming by HBO I've ever seen. I think their problem is going to be, I've said this over and over, like they actually have some solid players in the roster, and their defense could be pretty good. but we saw them with somewhat of a similar situation a couple years ago

they were very, very dependent on Saquan. Now, in theory, their old line should be better and you should be able to manipulate the running back spot. But like, this isn't an opinion. This is just based on watching the owner. If this team goes six or seven wins, even if they show some progress, one, that'll clearly Daniel Jones won't be good enough,

which I think we already acknowledge. and two, you go, well, did the Eagles just win 11 games and Sequin had 1,200 yards and 15 touchdowns rushing and catching? It's going to look pretty bad. And that's not a fan take, that's not a podcaster take. That's literally what the owner said. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at night with Seekwon on the Eagles. And now the dude's on the Eagles. So I think the Giants are going to be a fascinating story.

Like I said, dayball looks great. physically looks fantastic. Props to him for losing all the LBs. Looks like he's lost 50 pounds. Looks fantastic. He's calling the plays too. So anytime you do the shift play caller, like they yanked it away from Kafka,

he took it, there's no one to point the finger at. Like you got rid of wink, you're calling the plays now. No one's expecting you to win 11 games. But like, I would say anything less than eight, people just start questioning what's going on here. Listen to your recent take on Purdy and his expected big payday next year, I have to disagree with you a little.

I think the Niners can drive a hard bargain with him. While Purdy is a great player, he is not elite. How many NFL teams would pay top dollar for Purdy, which would greatly impact their salary cap when they do not have an offensive system like San Francisco? Purdy is great because of the tools at his disposal. He would be foolish to think he can be the highest paid player. I never say he's going to be the highest paid player. I say he's going to get a lot of money. That might look like Tua or Jordan Love.

But if you're sitting in Pertie shoes, you go, wait, I'm throwing 30 touchdowns a year. I'm helping us win playoff games. Tua can't dream of winning a playoff game. How am I not going to get more than him? Because we just have this argument with Tua. Like who are they bitten against? Well, these NFL teams, they just pay them.

And the difference is, I think the dolphins were kind of stuck. Kyle Schenhan loves Brock Purdy. Loves Brock Purdy. Do I think he should get Joe Burrow money? Of course not. But he's going to end up getting a lot. It's just a fact. Now, how they build that, how they structure it,

I'm no cap guru, but he's not getting the Daniel Jones contract. And he doesn't deserve it. Like, he's better than all. He's better than Tua. He's better than Tua. He just, outplayed Jordan Love in the second half of a playoff game.

Who knows? What if the Packers win that thing and they're in the fucking Super Bowl? So, like, he's got a lot going for him in the argument of, like, listen, I actually think he's going to be pretty team friendly because of Kyle, a little, like a way lesser version of how Mahomes worked his contract. But he's going to get a lot of money. And because of what he produces for. for them, he deserves it.

Like, they gave Jimmy Garoppel a lot of money once upon a time. And until Jimmy completely lost his confidence, you watched the receiver show. I was watching it last night. You don't want to watch it late at night because it's hard to turn off. And Devante is like flipping, flipping out and pissed off. Don't totally blame them. Though, like, I do understand the comment.

It's not about winning or losing. It's about greatness. Like, that one had to rub some people the wrong way internally. Clearly, they had like a knockdown draft. I got meeting with the team. I'm a Devante guy. But Jimmy Garoppelow, the version we see now is like a shot fighter. If golf, this would be the yips.

Anyone that's watched the Simone Biles Netflix documentary, it'd be the Twisties in gymnastics. I'd never heard of Twisties. I guess that's when you get a mental block. And like when she bowed out of the Olympics a couple years ago, she just like her mind and her body weren't on the same page, which has happened to any human in any sport, you lose your confidence.

Happens to me in golf all the time. Differences of in golf, like, okay, I'm just going to hit this ball out of bounds, whatever. In gymnastics, if you get the Twisties, like you could land on your head and break your neck and die. I watched that. I was like, damn, this is pretty crazy. Twisties are no, yips, you're just like,

yeah, I'm just not going to score well. Twisties, it's like, I could get seriously injured. And it's crazy. But Jimmy definitely has the version of gymnastics twisties. because it was watching the slow motion highlights. I mean, I watched some of those games live last year. This is a joke. What is?

The balls weren't even remotely close. Guys wide open, they're mailing. It was bad. This from Vince. Love the top five stadium vibes. I'm a Bears fan, but I have to say Lambo is incredible. Also, four of the five are in the Midwest. No coastal elites.

I could have, I mean, Philly when they're goods, pretty awesome. Obviously, New England for 20 years was pretty special. A lot of people firing in. You clearly haven't been to Ford Field. Well, Ford Field was kind of irrelevant for 30 years. You guys are on a heater now. I think that's pretty high. I don't know if you would consider Detroit coastal elitist, but New York definitely not. Sofi, definitely not. San Francisco, definitely not. Seattle has a claim when they're good. I really think it has less to do with the area. and more to do with the venue. One thing they all had in common, or most of them, Minnesota was an outlier,

was the old decrepit stadiums. Because Candlestick was elite. The Coliseum, when the Raiders were there, if they were decent, was awesome. It has to do with, like, there's nothing else to do. No one wants to eat these shitty hot dogs because they're terrible. There's the concourse you can't even move. It's all about football. And there's something special about that.

The Bills have that, the Chiefs have that, Cleveland has that. Lambo clearly has that. But Lambo also, like I said, they really benefit. Like, they have been awesome since 1990, three or four. I mean, 30 plus years, they've been good. Obviously, they've had bad seasons. But for the most part, for 30 plus years, people just pick them to make the playoffs.

Use the Chiefs' example. Before Andy got there, they were a disaster. When Andy got the job, they had the number one overall pick. Do you think Seattle can build a future with Sam Howell or drafting the future as a better move? I think I saw on the old X channel, as my mother calls it, that he's been all over the map in training camp. So, again, that's just a tweet that I saw, that he's been very inaccurate. I would say probably not. I would be stunned.

But hell, crazier things have happened. I'm not saying he's going to be this, but Kurt Warner is bagging groceries. And now he's in the Hall of Fame with a couple of MVPs in a Super Bowl. So you just never know. I would doubt it though. I would doubt it working out. I'm a longtime Steelers fan. And I'm tired of winning 9 to 10 games every single season.

But our coach and toughness of the organization and style of our plays do not let us have a bad year to get a new quarterback. I also think Russ and Fields are not. the answer. If you were the GM of the Steelers, what would you do? Side note. Why do you think Big Ben is not mentioned with the greats? He had two Super Bowls and was a gunslinger in his prime. I think the media doesn't really like him. I think that's part of it. I think the media doesn't like him. I think that's a huge reason. I think he's just not well-liked. But Big Ben in his prime was as good as it got. He had like a three or four-year stress. He had like a three-year in his mid to late 20s, maybe even early 30s,

where it was like, this is elite. This guy can go toe to toe with anybody. I don't think there's much you can do right now if you're the GM. I think you just let this season play out. And if you win eight games, let's say, I think you would have to entertain. Like, is this a year we trade a couple first round picks and move up and draft a quarterback?

Because, I mean, both those guys' contracts are over. so Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, which is good if it goes bad, they're not in a contract. I don't know. Nothing you can do today. I think one thing you do this offseason, and I know John Schneider did this a couple years ago,

is you do the full court press on evaluating the quarterbacks. Your meetings and discussions with your scouts in La Trobe because they're all there for the first couple weeks is every single scout on our college scout sees every quarterback that we have drafted in the top 100 live. You have to see a quarterback. You could argue if you have a quarterback

that is draftable in your area, you must see them live. Obviously, you go to practice, you scout them. You have to go to a game live. And I would have my national scout, my in-house, like, pro director of player personnel, after about September that we get a gauge of who the top

six, seven quarterbacks are in this class, he tries to get out and see all those guys. So I would go full court press. It doesn't mean it's going to lead to one of those guys, but my effort on evaluating this class would be, it couldn't be any stronger. We're putting full court press. Doesn't mean we're not evaluating all the other players.

And when you go to games, you know, you can cross-check other players. but our effort on these quarterbacks is all in. All of our chips, middle of the table, in our evaluation process this fall. So when the season ends, whether we're good or bad, I mean, like you said,

you're never going to be bad. But whether we win 8, 9, and now we finally miss the playoffs for the first time and we're drafting 17th, maybe this is the year we go from 17th to 6. And we trade our first, a second, another first, and a player or something. We get aggressive.

because we got to be in position and we got to feel good about the class. Right? So by the time the combine and everything, we know these guys so well that that would be my task to my crew. And I want constant updates when you go into these schools,

any information you're hearing. Like we're following these guys. We couldn't follow them any closer. Long time San Diego native and charger fan. do you think the Chargers can make the playoffs? Also considering Harbaugh is going to be the coach for some years now, how high do you think the ceiling is for the Chargers?

But last but not least, considering the so-called weak wide receiver room, do you think Brendan Rice could potentially make the team and become a constant target for Herbert? I think he's got the potential to be a smaller D.K. Metcalf. One thing D.K. had, or has, is elite speed. You know, if you were scouting a baseball player,

he'd be plus plus plus. Like, it doesn't get any better. His top end straight line speed might not be Tyree Kill, but it's better than basically everybody else. And Brennan Rice is not that. Can Brandon Rice make your team 100%. I'm waffling now,

one of the DMers in my head a little bit, and I was on Gottlieb show yesterday, and he's a charger guy, and he thought I was a little correct. crazy. Their back end of their corners, a little bit of a question mark, linebacking group, not great. Their de-lin men have a long history of getting injured. The wide receiver core gives me less anxiety because I've seen Harbaugh be very successful with a good offensive line, a good quarterback, and run the ball. And when you can do that, average

wide receivers get open. Defensively, how good are they going to be? And I, I always just lean back. His defenses are always good. They're always good. He hires Minter, who came with him from Michigan, who was in Baltimore, who was like basically Mike McDonald.

Mike McDonald also did the same thing mentored did. Went to Jim, came back to John. This guy did the same thing. Went to John, went to Jim. Now stay with Jim. So he like cross-pollinates all these guys. Greg Roman, starts with Jim,

goes to John, back with Jim. Like all these coaches have been successful. So I wouldn't bet my life savings on it, but like I said, I don't think it's a bad bet picking the charges to make the playoffs. Why can't they be the Pittsburgh Steelers

of 2004? 9-10 wins be the 7-seat. I'm not saying they're going to win 13 games here, but could they go 9 and 8 or 10 and 7 and be the 7 seed? I think that is a very, very real possibility. Very real. Wouldn't shock me at all.

If I end up not, putting money on it and they do it. I'll be kicking myself. This is from Donovan. What's up, buddy? With college football on the edge of really booming as a sport, is there anywhere to invest into it like you would, the stock market? Thanks for your time.

I don't think there is. I guess you can invest in the networks, corporations that broadcast the games, but there's so much other stuff. under the umbrella. Not stock market advice would not recommend doing that. Colin is adamant that these venture capitalists are going to get involved with college football if it ever goes kind of separates from the NCAA. Because let's face it, it doesn't make that much sense as they keep growing and making

all the money to fund everything else. And because of rules like Title IX, they're forced to pay. And listen, a lot of men sports don't make money either. To pay for all these sports don't make any money. so why wouldn't they just go independent like the NFL and keep all the money for themselves for the coaches obviously and the players and stop sharing it with like women's tennis and men's soccer which feels inevitable at the rate in which they're going because the money is growing exponentially and when that happens who knows maybe it becomes under some crazy like in IPOs one day

if it does I think a lot of people would invest but I would push back a little bit like College football has been popular for a long time now. And I would say their popularity this last decade has really solidified them as the number two sport in America in terms of viewers. Now, it's probably only going to grow because of the 12-team playoff, because of gambling, because of the consolidation of all the top teams playing each other,

adding these teams at the conference. I'd say 50-50 chance one day. There's some way to invest in college football as it's a public company on the stock market. I don't exactly know how the logistics of that would work, but you could definitely foresee a road. But I think right now, the only way technically would be to be a booster of a program,

but you don't get any money back. You know, they give you tickets to the games and take care of you during the Bull Week. But to my knowledge, there is no way to invest. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

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