The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Falcons bench Cousins, Is Penix the answer, Coach vs. Ownership

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

John opens the podcast reacting to the news of the day that saw the Falcons bench Kirk Cousins and are turning to Michael Penix as their new starter. John talks about what might be next for Cousins and why the Falcons decided to make the move now. Next, John talks about the relationship between coaches and ownership, and the importance of coaches having freedom to make decisions. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:30 - Falcons bench Cousin 32:48 - News and Notes around the league 18:31 - Coaches/GMs and owners 36:31 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And according to Rahe Morris, he was very classy about taking the news. Well, I sure hope so for $90 million that he knows has coming to him after 36 coming off of torn Achilles. You could tell him he's going to rent scout team the rest of his life. It's, I looked yesterday when he gets paid for 2025, which is guaranteed $27.5 million, he will have made over $300 million playing football. And, you know, sometimes media, younger players get very angry at the older generation for being critical. It happens a lot in basketball. I do understand if I was an elite guy that played in the 80s or the 90s, especially in football,

which was much harder on my body. We didn't play as long. And I see some of the money that's getting tossed around. Kirk Cousin is going to make over $300 million. I don't care. I support other people having success. Good job, Kirk. Great job by his agent.

Mike McCartney, who's a really good agent. They've done a good job. But I do get the bitterness. I think you just have to ask one question. What took so long? Why did they wait till three games left when he had been playing like shit for, I don't know, 40 or 50 days now? He had been objectively atrocious for the last month.

If you watched him on Monday night, he looked like a shot fighter. And it looked like it had previously looked like it's over. And sometimes that happens. A 36, 37 year old player who's, you know, from NFL standards, a below average athlete, has now, he's never had a great arm. His arm strength looks extremely poor. And I don't know if there are some connections there in the biomechanics of the Achilles, up through the body, up through the shoulder.

However it's happening, he's not throwing the ball very well. and it shows. He's a bad player right now. But why did this take so long? And I thought about it and I went, well, these guys that run this franchise just convinced their owner to give this player

$90 million. I mean, all the best players in free agency, most of them, now I get it. Quarterbacks make more. We all understand that. We all acknowledge it. But it's also easy to pay, quote, unquote, overpay your own guy.

Right. There were points in times where it's like, how good is Maddie Ice? But he was the Falcons guy. How good is Dak Prescott? Well, he's Jerry's guy. Right?

Purdy's going to go through that. Well, he's the Niners guy. When you hire outside and the guy has no equity, sweat equity, blood equity, no production equity with your franchise, like it can get weird

and it can get weird fast. And when a guy just stinks, and that's Kirk Cousins right now, is just not a very good football player. I mean, he's a bottom five quarterback. And it's not like character issues. He's not creating a problem. Like, all that stuff's great.

It's just like simply play. That can get weird and that can get weird fast. But when I saw this news, I went, could these guys all be one and done? Could these guys jobs be in jeopardy? Because never forget. When Rahim Morris was asked about why his coaching staff was so big,

he said, well, we're going to win here. And when you win here, What happens? You lose coaches, and you have to retrain guys. Well, we're already going to have guys on the staff for when our guys get hired. That's a pretty cocky thing to say. Also, why did you draft a quarterback eight after you had just given a four-year $180 million contract and almost $100 million guaranteed to Kirk Cousins?

Because we don't ever plan on drafting this high again. And we thought that this was the right move because we won't ever draft in the top 10 again. I'm sorry, you're pretty cocky for a guy. that had one head coaching stint, and is now working for a GM who just led a squad that average seven wins a season for three straight years. Can't draft a quarterback, drafts all these skill guys. And besides Bejohn Robinson, Drake London, like I think Kyle Pitts won, they would like to have a do-over on that one. So it's like, do you guys know what you're doing? Because I think at this point in time, it's why I just simply bet against the Atlanta Falcons. Now, I picked

the wrong team. I picked the Saints. Turns out it was the Bucks, but I bet against the Atlanta Falcons when the season began. said no way it's going to be this easy. This team has no winning, you know, I would say history. These last couple years it just thinks one thing's going to switch. And this is not signing Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. This is signing a guy coming off in Achilles who, even on his best days, has been an extremely polarizing player.

And what happened? I would say they have been one of the biggest underachievers this year and a team that, you know, as looking forward and projecting, is not going to win the division. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are. Well, of course they are. They're a better run organization. And this was a team that now is stuck with Kurt Cousins,

who this notion of like, part of the reason I thought it was so insane to make the pick at eight is, listen, sometimes you get new information. Obviously, something's changed between March 15th and the draft in late April. You talk to more people. as a general manager, you're able to get on the phone more and really focus on that.

But in my experience, during the season, starting in the summer through the end of basically the new year, right? So like December 31st, all GMs worth their salt are evaluating all the top free agents and all the top draft picks. Now, they're not grinding on fifth and six rounders, but any guy with a legitimate draft grade probably in the top, 100-ish is getting evaluated by the GM during the season. And a team like the Falcons, who have an atrocious quarterback situation the last couple years, would be evaluating, their general manager would be evaluating all the quarterbacks thoroughly, right? And Michael Penix is a guy that I really like.

I would have drafted Michael Penix. But he was a very polarizing guy in NFL circles. Depending on who you spoke to, some people thought he wasn't even a first-round pick. obviously the Falcons viewed him as the eighth overall pick, which was extremely polarizing at the time, not just because they had just signed Kirk Cousins, but because like, is that a major overdraft? I don't necessarily think it was.

But I thought, like, in football, everyone gets the same amount of resources. Everyone has the same amount of money to spend under whatever the cap is, $200 million, $250 million. Every team gets the same amount of draft picks. You just, obviously, they're not all the same slot, but every team gets a first round pick every single year.

You get to be a first round pick every single year. pick and choose how you want to use that. Do you want to trade up the next couple first rounders, the next, you know, the following years and make a huge trade? Do you want to trade back and accumulate more picks? Do you want to allocate your resources? Do you want to pay Brandon I.U. $75 million for 75 catches.

Or do you want to trade them and use that cap space on something else? My favorite part about the NFL. This is not baseball or some teams spend more money. Every team's spending money and every team's using their draft picks. You just get to pick and choose how you want to do it. and use the Minnesota Vikings as an example who, if I was around Ziggy Wolf after the other night, and really after Cousins last month, I'd go,

the people that you empowered to run this team, your general manager, your head coach, they fucking know what they're doing. They're not only winning, but they are saving you a lot of money. They chose $10 million because you know what they knew at the end of the year? We want to draft a quarterback. We are going to draft a quarterback.

We were saying that about the Atlanta Falcons during the season. We're going to draft a quarterback. and they spent $10 million on Sam Darnold, which is an incredible contingency plan. If it works out, we get one of the best assets in the league. It clearly is, and they are banged for their buck. It doesn't get any better than a quarterback who's going to throw 35 plus touchdowns, lead you to 13, 14, 15 wins for $10 million, who was a free agent.

That's an incredible, mid-March free agency signing. And then there's Kirk Cousins, who were going to guarantee multiple years, give $90 million, which all has to go into escrow every penny you don't pay them. And he almost has a one-to-one touchdown interception ratio. And we also gave him a no trade clause. So like we can't just cut him or trade him like he actually controls a lot.

Now it makes sense for him to waive that to go to a new team. But what team worth their salt is trading anything of value for a $27.5 million backup quarterback? Hell, even if you consider him a bridge starter, the bridge starter, we just saw Sam Darnold, that market is like $10 to $12 to $15 million max. What Gardner Mintz you got? So his market values all out of whack. But the difference with most bridge quarterbacks, ideally,

they can move because a lot of times the team's probably not going to be in a great position, questionable offensive line, and they're going to have to have some mobility. Cousins has none of that. He's a sitting duck. So to me, this situation, you could say it's cavalier. They just kind of went into it blind. I think it's a major, major indictment on everyone running the Falcons

the way this process played out. And these transactions are independent of each other. Because if you knew you really like Michael Penix, which you should know in the middle of March when free agency starts, wouldn't you be in the mix to sign a Gardner Mintzue with Sam Darnold because you would want to transition to a guy

who is 24 years old who had been in college six seasons? Say what you want about J.J. McCarthy. He was more of a project. Drake May, more of a project. Michael Penix is not a project. He's a pro-ready player to plug in play and let's roll. But you signed Kirk Cousins, which, in a perfect world,

he would have been your starter for multiple years. This is one of the worst transactions we've ever seen as completely blown up in their face. And I think the reason they waited so long because they wanted to avoid the wrath of their 82-year-old owner. They just had to cut him a check for a guy who did not make it until Christmas and now will not be on their team

in year two. And now the pressure put on this young player, what if two of these three games go poorly? And everyone turns on them and goes, God, this guy sucks, what's going on? It's a crazy amount of pressure. And I'm a Michael Pennix fan. I'm rooting for him to play well.

But what if it goes bad? The Bucks, meanwhile, just in the playoffs again, for what? The fifth straight year? Three with Brady, this is second with Baker Mayfield, and just feel like they know what they're doing. And the Atlanta Falcons feel like they have absolutely no clue what they're doing.

from the general manager to the front office to now the coaching staff. They just kind of feel lost at sea. And I also think the cousins thing shows. And then the Pennix is like they're just kind of doing whatever the coaching staff wants. And I just in terms of the transactions when they were made. Obviously, if you're Zach Robinson and Rahim Morris, you'd want a veteran quarterback. Let's get the best one, $90 million. And it's like, God, we love this Michael Pennix guy.

Well, let's draft him at 8th. And now it's like you've allocated it. all these resources and these two guys. And if panic struggles these next couple weeks and all of a sudden you have nothing to show for it, it is an epic disaster. And I think it's one that like, would all these guys get shit canned after one year?

Because what's worse? Being just a complete embarrassment on a bad team like the Patriots who might fire Gerard Mayo or the Raiders. Well, the Raiders, their quarterback situation's awful. The Patriots, it's like, well, like how's your defense way worse?

same players. This situation is like, well, you've got legitimate players. And then you sign Kurt Cousins. And then as a season goes on, it gets worse. Is it just Zach Robinson's fault? Is just the GM's fault? Is Rahim over his head? I don't know, but if I was the owner,

I'd want to fucking answers. I just got a $90 million check and this guy's on the bench now. And now we have a rookie quarterback. He better start slinging touchdowns here. Because if he doesn't, and we're missing the playoffs again to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We've had a million injuries. I mean, guys getting injured, left and right,

star players. And it's like they got a quarterback that they also gave $100 million. And we all acknowledged it was like really good. And last year they got him for nothing. They paid $4 million. So if you aggregate that year on top of his new contract,

it actually lowers the value of the overall time that he spent on the team. And it's like their coach just kind of seems like he's got a hold of everything. And our guys are just kind of swimming upstream without a paddle. What the hell is going on? So I bet against the Atlanta Falcons

simply because I didn't think they know what they were doing. And I think as of this week, and really over the last month, anyone with that thought was kind of proven right. And it helped. I didn't expect him to just fall off a cliff this hard, but he obviously has. A couple other things on coaching.

You know, we got a big Thursday night game. Two teams are going to be in the playoffs. The Chargers and the Denver Broncos. And, you know, I would have told you three or four weeks ago that the Chargers probably win a playoff game. Then you watch them, it's like, well, their offense is, one, it's all banged up. Turns out J.K. Dobbins is like Ladani and Tomlinson. You remove him. It's like they struggle to get 50 yards on the ground.

You know, Herbert's just limping around out there. They got no passing game. A lot of people think Greg Roman's the village idiot. I often go like, well, how about the talent on this roster is not great? But they are very defensive reliant. And when their defense is given up 30 plus points, like they're going to be in some trouble. They're not really built to win shootouts. I also think you could have a really good defense and there gets to a point in time in a season. When your offense is just struggling, they kind of break, it's almost like the damn breaks. It's like, you know, we just can't hold the Ford anymore. We need a little help. And it's like the perfect combination, everything kind of falls apart. It kind of feels like that's what's happening with the Chargers.

But even if the Chargers lose this game to Denver, they're currently at 8 and 6. They finish with New England and Vegas. So I think they're getting to 9, no problem. And I would bet on them getting to 10. Obviously with the Colts and the Miami Dolphins who are in Shambles, that, yeah, I think the Chargers end up with that seven spot.

And if Denver were to win this Thursday night game, they should finish the sixth spot. I actually think they would be a feisty first-round team. One of these two teams, whether they win the game or not, is going to be in the mix when it comes to wild card weekend. One of these games is going to be tied in the second half because if their defenses play well, things get weird.

Obviously, Herbert, who can get hot in Bo Nix, he's definitely a wild card because he can throw a couple of picks. And you're like, what the hell is going on? but he also has proven with some schemed-up plays with Sean Peyton, like he had some big plays. So I enjoy watching Denver. Now they finish after this Charger game at Cincinnati and then Kansas City. Now that Kansas City game, depending on how these next two weeks could go,

could be nothing is on the line. So if Kansas City were to win these next two weeks, then that game would be meaningless. And I would imagine that they would rest everyone, which would be an easy win for Denver and basically be a lock, even if they lost these two games to get them to 10 wins, But if I was a betting man right now, I'd say Broncos' worst case, 10 and 5, I'd say 11 and 6 is on the table. And that's just an incredible accomplishment.

I mean, two years after taking over that Nathaniel Hackett Russell Wilson experiment to have this team in the playoffs, same thing with Jim Harbaugh. Last year, that Brandon Staley experiment where they won five games, and now you're in the playoffs, it just shows you. I mean, this is why you pay big time coaches. Because unlike the Falcons, like, who's actually in charts? Like, remove Arthur Blank. Like who's actually, what's going on here? Right? Is the GM doing anything?

I say the same thing with New England. Like, is Jonathan Kraft in charge? Is Elliot Wolf the guy pulling the trigger? Does Gerard Mayo have any juice? What's going on with the Raiders? Like, does Telesco? Is he the boss? Does Brady get to tell Mark Davis what to do?

Like, what's going on? When you say the Denver Broncos, who's in charge, you say Sean Payton. When you say the Los Angeles Chargers, who's in charge, you say Jim Harbaugh. And I think that, like, makes everything a little bit easier. And in the day and age, when everyone wants their, hand in the cookie jar in the NFL because even if you're a team president like Kevin Warren, the only way, no one cares how many season tickets you sell. Even once you build a stadium, like, that goes away really quick.

That fades into obscurity really fast. Like, what's going on with the team? What's going on with the team? And the way to get headlines and the way to get discussed on, you know, Colin's show, on ESPN, on podcasts, on local radio, is to be involved in football and have your hand in that and be standing there in the locker room at the end of the game. And it's why everyone's drawn that way. But it's also why football guys like to separate church and state.

Like, I don't need to answer to a non-football guy if he's not the owner of the team. And both these two franchises, the Spanos family said, Jim, you take it. Obviously, the Walton family said, Sean, you take it. And for Sean Payton, two years later, it's paid dividends. They're in the playoffs. And honestly, I think they could win a game. Chargers might not win a game because injuries and just their lack of offensive talent. but if I would have told year one Harbaugh in the playoffs,

which I knew what happened, but all you guys talked me out of because you're like, their team sucks so much. I was like, of course. You know why? Because Jim Harbaugh wins. Speaking of coaches, Mike Brable.

It's funny, like, I mentioned this earlier, but when you have a hot coaching candidate, it's just got to be an incredible feeling of knowing you could leak things, and it just, gets everyone talking and freaks out the people negotiating. I was hoping that SAC State would hire Michael Vick.

I think that would have been so badass. But it's pretty clear that Michael Vick's representation put it out that Sack State was talking to him to get a little bit more money at a Norfolk State, which you should do. You've got to use leverage to your advantage. I saw it with Marcus Freeman, who was like, the Chicago Bears are interested.

And you're like, oh, of course they are. He played in the NFL. He went to Ohio State. Coach of Notre Dame, like probably should be, you know, should be talking about. talking to him. Well, then a couple, like, less than a week later, he signs a six-year extension. Well, do you think that it came out that his name was in that mix randomly? No. He wanted to get more money, as he should. That's what an agent gets paid to do. Every time I look, it's Mike Vrable,

the bear's number one target. Mike Vrable, he'd be interested in the, uh, in the Patriot job if it became available. Mike Vrable, would he listen for $100 million dollars at Ohio State? And you just throw this enough kind of at the wall. Eventually, it's going to free people out that actually are interested in them. And in fairness, all these people should be interested in them. But if you're Mike Vrable right now, and let's just say you do have your pick of the litter, and let's just say Robert Kraft will fire Gerard Mayo after this season because of just how poorly it's going.

And he can't risk ruining his young quarterback, a lot like, you know, what's going on in Chicago. Would you rather coach Caleb Williams or Drake May? Who would have ever thought that that would be a conversation? But it's a legit conversation. Because one, if you did a redraft today, day, Caleb Williams would not go number one. Jaden Daniels would.

And I think the question is, who would go number two? And let's face it, the guy Mike Vrable played, or, you know, when he was a coach who used to play a quarterback, was Ryan Tanyhill. He was like a game manager. He comes from the Bill Belichick, you know, kind of school of thought as a player. The Tom Brady that was the quarterback for the Patriots when he was a player was not the Tom Brady that we saw 06-07 moving forward. it was much more in the game manager played events.

Now, you could argue that's an archaic way of thinking you can't really operate that way. And I would tend to agree. But your football philosophy is kind of your football philosophy. Most of the way that I look at this world, I'm open to new ideas. But like my core values, I don't think it's really changed in 20 plus years. Just like most football coaches I know, doesn't mean they don't implement new things. But their core belief on how to play ball doesn't really change as they go. from 40 years old to 50 years old to 60 years old.

They might implement some more things, but they still have a core philosophy of how to play. Dan Campbell, he goes for it more than some of these guys would have done 20 years ago. But like the way he built his team, it's not paying off right now because they're all injured, but like defensive line, physicality up front, and fucking run the ball down your throat

with a big ass offensive line and multiple running backs. Like he built his team a lot like a team that would have played in the 90s. and I just wonder if Mike Vrable, would he even be interested in the project that is Caleb Williams? Because that's a pretty big undertaking. I mean, the guy we saw the other night, and really most of this year, has been atrocious.

I mean, I thought it was crazy that everyone just anointed him so quickly before the season. I'm like, the NFL is really hard. And listen, I thought he would be a lot better, given the wide receivers he's throwing to, but you talk about a guy seeing go, I mean, Sam Donald four years ago. Got no clue what he's doing.

And he just freezes. So based on the information we have right now, I think you could make the argument. I'd rather coach Drake May. And obviously he has the connection with Robert Kraft. And here's the reality. I think you learn this the older you get in life is whether it's the Bears and you've got to deal with Kevin Warren,

whether it's the Patriots and you've got to deal with Robert's son, Jonathan. Most of our jobs, you know, if you do not are the boss or the owner, Like even Belichick, one thing I think he miscalculated is like, Bill, you're not an entrepreneur. You can't just start a football team. Like eventually you kind of got to play nice. So when some of these stories were coming out, they're like, God, you know, it's going to be tough for Bill to work with people. Like, he needs someone to buy into him because there are only 32 NFL teams. And he doesn't have the money or have the capacity to buy one.

So he's going to need one of these owners and team presidents to hire him. Like, that's just a reality. me. This is not like my job tomorrow. If I was like, yeah, kind of, I just want to do something different. Well, I can just do something different, whatever I want to do. I could start the company. It doesn't mean it's going to work or not, but I can do it. Like, if you're a football coach, there's no just starting a football team.

Like you need, and as Bill finally did, he had an athletic director and a chancellor buy into him, but he couldn't just start like a college football team or an NFL team. So you do have to learn to work with others. It's a little corporate structure that way. even Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh. Like Jim Harbaugh still answers to the Spanos family. Sean Payton still answers to the Walmart family. Now, ideally, you just answer to the owner.

Best case scenario, right? But when you got to answer to some of like the owner's kids, I totally understand how that would be tough. Right? And it's one thing the owner's kid, like Al Davis is dead. So it is Mark's team. Right? Lamar Hunt is no longer with us.

That is Clark Hunt's team. It's another thing like when the dad's still there and the kids in your ass and you're like, well, do I go through you or do you still got to go through pops? Are you just like a 58 year old rich kid that still has to ask your dad for permission on this where I just might as well call him. But I can't totally dick you over because if your jab drops dead in a year, then you are actually the boss and I do have to deal with you.

So all these situations are a little complicated. So you just got to look at it from the best case scenario from a football team and probably the easiest case scenario with who you have to deal with your personality. But I think most of these jobs, whether it's the Patriots, whether it's the Raiders, whether it's the Jets, whatever, becomes open. The Cowboys were to fire Mike or not renew his contract. They all have severe complications of you have to run the team, manage your coaching staff and your players, and also deal with whoever is above you. And some of those might be owners and team presidents. Some might be owners and their children.

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So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some

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Listen to Help from Hippocrat as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the I-FAR radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the balls. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne.

Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast.

We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. with all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here? Just take it.

Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you move? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake.

That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team.

And I'm really. trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's do a little Middlecough mailbag. Add John Middlecough, Instagram, fire in those DMs. Get your question answered here on a little thing called the podcast, Mailback. Aaron.

Love the pod. Question around the chiefs. Looking forward to upcoming. seasons. What do you think the strategy is around some key players that come at a price? We look at some of these guys coming up on their final years of their first contracts. Who do you retain versus who do you draft? Players like Bolton, Carlavskis, McDuffey, Trey Smith, Pacheco. Not all these guys are going to be top of the market. Some probably are, but they aren't going to be cheap. Curious your thoughts on those discussions with Vich

and the team having around this topic. Well, I would say McDuffie is a lock keeper. I would say Carliscus is going to be kept as well. Nick Bolton's obviously a really good player. It just becomes a little complicated with linebackers and prices, how much you're willing to pay them, how much you're going to allocate. Like, McDuffie is not going to be cheap. Like, that's a really, really expensive player.

You know, George is not Bosa, like the high, high-end pass rushers. but even if you get those guys at a discount, it's still, you know, what is it, $18, $19 million a year? I would say Isaiah Pacheco, he is not a second contract guy, despite him being a really good player. My guess is that they will just play out his rookie contract. When it comes to Trace Smith, I thought they extended Tray Smith. Maybe they didn't. So Trace Smith's contract, I mean, he's a really good player. God, he's a great deal right now.

Trey Smith currently costs them 940 grand. So yeah, I don't know. You're going to have to pay some of these guys. Now, Carlisks, McDuffie are both going into their second. This is their third year. So I think they would play it out again with both those guys. Usually, ideally with, you know, guys you sign after, four years, so you could keep them under contract for another year.

Am I nuts? Or is the Darnold v. McCarthy talk complete nonsense? How in God's name are the Vikings going to even consider letting Donald walk? Because they love JJ? Based off of what? On what planet does an unproven injury-prone, J.J. McCarthy put you in a better position to win than Sam Donald? I totally agree.

But I think that they, you know, there's a moneyball element to them. They just did it with cousins. I think they believe they can do it again with Darnold to J.J. McCarthy. I think one thing when you watch Donald compared to cousins, that element of movement is something that cousins did not have. And he has a much bigger arm. And being 27 years old, when you just build around him and keep JJ, let him prove that he's healthy as like a contingency plan,

man. Right? Like if you knew, if Cousins was a pro bowler this year, no one would have any issue and they'd be in first place. But he's a disaster. Right. So like once you sign the bridge quarterback and then he's incredible and he's also 27, 28 years old with a pedigree being a high pick, you go, are we sure we didn't just strike oil here? I would keep my, I would offer him the Baker Mayfield deal yesterday. The Packers have a ton of offensive talent. Watson, Dobbs, Reed, Wicks, and Tucker Kraft. Who are they going to pay? The Packers make quick, smart decision, so I assume they already made up their mind. What do you think?

The Packers paid love, a ton of money, so that is going to hurt them moving forward. They cannot afford to pay everybody, especially with young emerging talent. Well, a tight end is one of the best deals in the league. because the highest paid tight-in makes less than half of what the top wide receiver makes. So you can get that guy at a very, very cheap number. To me, they are a great, great deal. So I would say that Tucker Kraft is a lock. And listen, how much is he actually going to cost?

He's having a breakout year this year. He has 41 catches and seven touchdowns. And he's only in a second year. So, like, you've still got another year under him on a very, cheap deal. You know, Christian Watson is, what year is this for him? Four? Or is this year three? Some of these guys aren't, I think you got some time with some of these guys. Christian Watson was 22. So 22, 23, 24. He's a second round pick, so he would be going into his contract year next year. He's kind of polarizing because he's been injured. Honestly, he hasn't really been that productive.

God, he's been way less productive than I realize. I guess last year he was injured. This year he's got 29 catches, only two touchdowns. What the fuck's that going to cost you? I think Jaden Reed's a stud, but how many... You got time on these guys. And when I say time, like... Plus, they all kind of take away from each other.

None of them... Like, Jaden Reed is a second-year player, and he's got 44 catches. Last year he had 64. He'll be back to back, 64, 60 catches, 7, 8, 9 touchdowns. I think you're in a good position. None of these guys have to be paid. What the fuck is this for the mailbag?

This is crazy. You can talk to your players as the head coach. Are you the boss of all bosses? Like, what is this guy thinking? It was the video of the Eagles defensive line coach screaming at Siriani to get away from Jalen Carter. I think Jalen Carter is a pretty big wild card. And the way I heard to describe when he was coming out of college,

he's a little bit of emotional roller coaster. So you got to be careful with him. And after he hit the dude on the Steelers and took the 15-yard penalty, any coach worth their salt would go over and talk to the guy, every single one. But I wonder if the D-line coach knows that, like, this could unravel fast. And Jalen has been playing at, like, a Pro Bowl level.

So it's like, we got Siriani, who can be a hothead. We're just trying to simmer everything down. But can you imagine an assistant coach telling Mike Tomlin, telling Jim or John Harbaugh, telling Andy Reed, telling Kyle Shanahan or McVeigh or LaFleur to back the fuck up? That's not exactly what he told him, but like you're not talking to this guy right now. Think about that.

That was pretty nuts. Like, hey, bro, you work for me and I want to talk to my guy. Even if it's not a great idea. Now, that position coach might have been doing. in Siriani in favor because there might been nothing productive that would have been a result of their conversation because

everyone's emotions were high. You're winning the game. But that seems crazy to me. Like, I'm the boss. And it's like, well, are you? I don't know. Eels are a weird thing. It's like they're a dysfunctional high-end operation. It feels like they're a little, like

they got a lot going on, but they got so much talent, it works. It's like sometimes you hear about a buddy who like works for a guy. Sometimes you'll just meet someone and you'll be like, this guy's nuts. It happens a lot when I'm playing golf that, you know, you play with other friends and they bring people. And then all of a sudden you'll realize like on the seventh hole,

you'd be like, yeah, that company he's talking about, he owns it and it's worth like $300 million. I'm like, that guy? Yeah, he's just a dysfunctional, functional individual. And it works. And that kind of feels like what the Eagles are. They got a lot of shit going on at all times, but they got so much talent,

and it all comes together, and it just works. Question for the bag. We know that the quarterback is the most important position in sports, but I can't help but think that having an elite coach and a good quarterback is better than an elite quarterback and a good mediocre coach. Look at Burrough. Versus the Broncos and Bo Necks.

For example, I genuinely think that I would much rather have Andy Reed and a quarterback like Dak than Josh Allen and Zach Taylor, curious your thoughts. I would agree. Like, I would rather have, if I was a fan, my team would make the playoffs more often and more consistently with Andy Reed

and Dak Prescott than Josh Allen and just pick some terrible coach. The problem is, we've seen like Andy with Josh Allen, how we saw Bill the one good year he has with Mac Jones, your ceiling in the playoffs is pretty limited. So it's like, yeah, your team can win nine to 12 games. We saw it with Andy for a long time with Alex Smith.

Same thing with Jim Harbaugh with Alex Smith. But if you get the real coach, like Andy Reid and Alex Smith are making the playoffs every year. They just weren't going for. But if I gave Josh Allen, Josh Allen's in a pretty good organization. Like Sean McDermott's a good coach. The bills are just a well-run organization.

If you put them in like the Jags, it might not look the same, even if he was a great play. player. I agree with you. Football more than these other sports, like baseball, my manager, how much does it really matter if my team stacked? A little bit in the playoffs. But during the regular season, if my team is loaded, I can win 100 games. In basketball, you would 100% pick one of the top players over a top coach without hesitating. Football, like, what's the number one overall draft pick if you were a team? Could you argue that you would pick Andy Reed? And,

before you picked Mahomes because if you had pick number 33 you know think of all the coaches and quarterbacks that would be off the board couldn't you just draft like Dak Prescott right or just some solid quarterback

so would you rather have Josh Allen or Mahomes or Lamar won and if I got to pick a below average coach that'd be pretty risky football is the one sport where you could justify taking it if everyone was available, taking the coach first. I'm not saying that's the right move.

Like, I probably would just take Josh Allen. But if you took Andy Reed, I couldn't argue with you. Question for the bag. Long time, Niners fan. With Lynch willing to take swings, would it be a fantasy world if him and Kyle would be willing to trade Joe Burrell? With reports coming out between the disconnect and the Bengals and their history of frugality,

it would be a long shot, but the combo of Burrow and Shanahan is a mouth-watering prospect. I think about this sometimes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't. I think if you'd even entertain the call, even if they said, hey, we'll offer you whatever you want. You tell us what you want and we will accommodate your wishes. Just fold the franchise.

If the Bengals right now would entertain Trading Joe Burrow, they should fold the franchise or sell the franchise immediately. So I tried to put myself in their shoes, and I think because the NFL, if this was baseball, you'd be like, yeah, Joe Burroughs on the market. You could go get them. But I think because it's football, they have the money. I just don't think he'd be available in 2025. Now, maybe in a couple more years, if they keep losing, maybe they try to pivot, but I see under zero circumstances. Now, would the 49ers do it in a New York second?

I'm with you. I mean, Joe Burrow, I mean, we've seen Joe Burrow and Brock Purdy on the same field at the same time last year. One guy looked like Joe Montana. And listen, it feels like I'm shitting on Brock Purdy. I'm really not. I like him a lot as a player. But like Joe Burroughs would an elite, blue chip championship level player, it looks like. Purdy is like, I don't know.

I mean, we're still kind of figuring that out. I mean, hell, he makes a million dollars. What happens when he makes 50? But obviously, you would rather have Joe Burrow than Brock Purdy. I just think it's very rare. in the NFL, you know, it takes a lot. Carson Palmer basically quit. Had to retire for them to get rid of them.

A Bay Area native. Living near your hometown. Living in Vacaville. No, I know Vacaville well. They used to have a mall. Back when malls mattered. I guess you guys still have outlets. When I lived in Walnut Creek, I used to stop at,

they had a Nike outlet there. They had a Chipotle there. Every once a while when I was feeling like a fat ass, that you had a crispy cream there that I'd hit up. They had an in and out. So I was a frequent Vacaville stopper, really my adult life. And when I was a kid and my mom, we used to go there all the time. I am a diehard Niner fan and a pretty believer, but I do think he's anywhere,

I don't think he's anywhere near the elite quarterbacks and certainly doesn't deserve to be paid like a top guy. If you were the Niner GM, what would you do with Brock and what would his contract look like? Second, looking down the road, after I retire from my current career, I would like to get a job in football, assistant strength coach, or even a scout. I've been an assistant football coach at my old high school for 20 years and plan on continuing. I'll be 50 in 12 years when I retire. God, you're retiring young. Life is good. So would I be too old to get a job like a scout or an assistant coach at like a SAC State? I don't think you'd be too old to get a job at like a Sack State or UC Davis. I think it would be very difficult for you to get a scouting job.

At that point in time in your life with no history of, it's not like you could just, even if you know football well, it would be difficult. Obviously, too, I don't know. If you don't know anyone, it'd be near impossible. Sack State or UC Davis is much more, I would say, of a attainable goal. You know, I was trying to, my fiancé Maria is a huge 40. Ninner fan. So we were talking last night because she sees all these memes and things and she's

trying to figure out like, why's everyone talking about Purdy and his contract? And she saw Richard Sherman go on this rant like the price is the price. And it's like, yeah, the price of the price of your bad at business. It's like, yeah, this house because of the market is worth $5 million. But I also think if you're willing to pay $5 million for this house, I think you're an idiot. You know, like two things can be true. Like that's kind of the going rate because of the market conditions and it's like this house is in terrible shape and you'd have to put in another three or four million dollars just to make it livable right but because of the location where it is i mean we could argue market conditions till we're blue in the face and i she's in real estate so i use the example of

like well he's technically going to make more than patrick mahomes because patrick mahomes had his contract years ago and a lot like real estate well if you bought the house in 2021 now the next door neighbor's house, even if it's not nearly as nice, is worth more than that four years later. And it's kind of this scenario. But again, like, if you want to pay them that, I don't know what to do. I think it's bad business. Like, well, the market's the market. That's, well, yeah, the market's the market.

Trevor Lawrence, that's fucking terrible business. Tua is, those type contracts derailed their franchise. Derailed the franchise. If you would look at the Jags and go, they still owe him, his contract hasn't even started. It's like, I'm shorting. your franchise. Tua, his contract hasn't even started. I'm out. Like, I'm gone. So it's like, well, the market was the market. Well, yeah, some things you pay market prices for, other things

you go, I'll pass. That's not a good idea. And I saw one thing Richard said is like, well, do you have a replacement? It's like, do you need a replacement right now? He's still under contract for a year. Why can't we play? What's he going to do? Hold out? Okay, good luck. I don't think you will. Whatever happened to playing hardball? What happened to that? I think we need a little more hardball, right? The NBA stopped playing hardball. We see how that's going. Not well. Because they just acquiesce to every demand. And now they're starting to do not, but it's almost too late. Everyone checked out. The NFL just kind of gave in to a lot of this stuff. It's like, yeah, we're just going to let it ride. It's one thing. It's like Joe Burrow. Okay, generational player. We get it. Like,

we've had, we know what it looks like and this is fucking good. You know, we've had solid average and Andy Dalton before that. We had high-end Carson Palmer. Like, okay, we have a pretty good idea. This is pretty special. This is what it costs. I'm sorry. It's just, just because other people got paid something doesn't mean it's a good idea.

It honestly makes no sense to me. And I get the caps going up. And I'm not saying you pay them nothing. But like, if you use the Trevor Lawrence deal as a comment, I go, yeah, we're not the Jaguars. We don't ever plan on running a business like the Jaguars. And we think signing a contract like that is the immediate death of everything we got going on here. So again, we pass. It's like, well, who's your replacement? Well, we don't have one. You're sure the quarterback. There's a national football league you're under contract. And all that money you're making off the field is because you're the starting quarterback for our franchise.

And I'm not trying to be a tough guy or whatever. Like, he's a very respectable, good guy. And it's not like he's even said any of this. But this conversation, I feel like, has jumped the shark. And maybe it's some of the reporting Pellasaro said I'm not going to take a hometown discount. Well, who are you going to play for then? Like, what's your market? That's where I still don't understand, like, what's the market? Part of, like, when a guy's holding out, like, T.J. Watt, it's like, well, he'd have a massive market. Even IUC last year or the hold in, like, other teams wanted them.

The Patriots were willing to give him $32 million a year. The Browns were willing to give him $30 million a year. Steelers were willing to give them $28 million a year. Like that was factual. Is that the case with Purdy? Like, hey, we're offering you $110 million guaranteed. Do you have other offers out there? We'll let you sniff around.

We need your replacement and we obviously let us know what the contract is. And we'll see if we'll match or whatever. Like you got $150 million on the open market? Just because previous deals are bad, like the Deshawn Watson deals an embarrassment for the NFL. No one else is getting fully guaranteed contracts. Is the mainstream sports media propaganding us to believe Josh Allen is the MVP? Lamar Jackson is leading him in every statistical category outside of rushing T's. Is this sort of like LeBron fatigue?

Why do you think Lamar isn't getting any more love this year? Well, he's the defending champion, you know, with the award, defending award winner. He's actually having a way better statistical season than he did last year. Remember last year he threw 25 touchdowns. This year he's got 34. He's got multiple like four or five touchdown games. Part of it too is Josh's team has a better record. And his team cut all these people in the offseason.

Most of Lamar's teammates came back and they added a very similar roster to last season for Lamar Jackson. Defense has fallen off a cliff, but it's same players. So I think there's some fatigue. I think if Lamar hadn't won it last year, I think there would be more of momentum for him in the mix. I think fatigue is fair. Like, is Lamar Jackson a three-time MVP at 28 years old or whatever he is?

Like, that seems a 27 years old. Like, I got no problem with people not giving him the award this year. It's like, well, okay, he's at a better season this year than last year, but he still got the award one of the two years. That's fine on me. I love the content. I'm a die-hard cheese fan, and I've been one since I was little.

We constantly get a lot of hate from the rest of the league and fans around the refs and dark magic. I personally feel it's unjustified. I was wondering your take on this and possibly what you think about them completing the three-peat and what it would mean for them in the league.

Well, you know what's funny is, historically, the big brands used to get this. The Lakers, when I was a kid, hated the Lakers, right? I was a big Kings fan as a kid, and the Lakers lost that series when Vlotti tipped it out to Robert Ory. And then it turns out Tim Donagie was

throwing the game. I mean, he admitted to like cooking the books. And obviously David Stern, which I don't blame him if I was in his shoes, one of the bigger brands for television ratings. But in the NFL, it doesn't matter. Whether the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl, whether

the Bills are in the Super Bowl, whether it's the Lions, whether it's the Eagles, whether it's the Packers. It's been proven now these last four or five years. These playoff games, I just saw the Bills and the Lions out drew the Steelers and the Eagles. 23 million people watched the Bills and the Lions. Buffalo and Detroit

over the Steelers are a top five brain in the NFL and the Eagles are clearly one of the biggest markets in the league. And they out drew them by a lot. Honestly, I had both games on. Obviously, so did most people. But I had the Eagles audio on. Up until the second half, when the game kind of got out of control, then I flipped. I felt like, and maybe it's, I don't know.

I don't know why I was inclined to be drawn to the Eagle Steelers over Bill's Lions, but as a consumer, that's what I lean toward. Like, if you told me I could only watch one game at the beginning of the day, I would have chose that game. So maybe I'm out of touch with like what the consumer is. The Lions are incredible story. Great part about technology. You can watch them both.

Dark Magic, like, no one gives a fuck. The Raider fans have been saying it for years. Like, they still got it out for us. Guys, Al Davis has been dead for 15 years. Your franchise hasn't been good in 20. It doesn't matter. You're not getting called for a lot of penalties because you're the Raiders. Maybe that was true in the 70s and 80s,

and I'm sure there was some validity behind it. That's not true anymore. Just like the Chiefs are not getting bailed out. Referees are a lot like government officials. They're incompetent. Honestly, nobody roots for referees. If it wasn't for social media, I wouldn't have realized they're,

obviously the political media and the sports media root for these politicians. It's really weird. These people are lifetime politicians, guys. They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire in their front yard. And it's like you guys are, their biggest cheerleaders.

Like, it's kind of weird. They're both incompetent. Like, these guys couldn't fucking operate in the private sector. This is their only job, politician. Like referees, like, what are we doing here? Now, being a referee is difficult. Like, you're talking real-time, you know, human beings, basketball, baseball, football, for sure.

But in football, if you play bad, you get cut or fired. You know, if you coach bad, you get fired. GM, if you pick the wrong player, you get fired. These referees make bad calls and they're on the game the next week. I just don't get it. But it's the way it is, so I've just... I don't get caught up in anymore, but I don't, some stories I just don't pay that much attention to.

Like, it's like, I just, I don't care. It's like Travis Hunter and his girlfriend. Like, I do not give a shit. Like, you'd have to pay me to care to, like, have an opinion. It's like, guys, he's 21 years old. How are people so invested in this? Maybe there are certain parts of sports that, like, I'm detached from, but that's one area.

And maybe this is a personal thing with me. like I'm a big believer in I don't really have opinions on my friends or my family like who they're sleeping with whether it's girlfriends, wives, like you choose to do that. You can do whatever you want to do.

I don't care. Like we're all adults, that's on you. You know, do whatever you want to do. I'm not going to get caught up in it. The Travis Hunter thing is like, guys, what are we even talking about? I think the same thing about refereeing. It's like, are we serious?

I also think that's, It's such an online thing. Question for the bag. I like when you shout out of other bald men. I'm not bald myself, but I support the bald community. Give me your Mount Rushmore of bald guys. One for sports and one for general population culture. Also, how do you feel about bald men like Larry David who don't shave their heads?

Instead, maintain the cul-de-sac. Well, I think the older generation, the cul-de-sac being cleanly shaved, Haven, like with a Bick razor back in the day and now the, you know, four, you know, three heads, five heads, the mock threes, mock fives is much more in vogue. I would say I got no issue with Larry and kind of that generation rocking that my father, who was bald, rocked a cul-de-sac when he was my age. If I rocked to cul-de-sac, I just, I think people would think I was the ugliest human alive. So things have changed. I would say Mount Rushmore for the culture or pop mainstream non-athlet. You would go, when I was a kid, Bruce Willis, who's battling, I think dementia right now,

it's not going good, but Bruce has got to be near the top. You know, this guy's technically an athlete, but at the last 20 years, you know, he played college football. The Rock would have to be extremely high. I would go Bruce Willis, the Rock. rock. This is tough. Sports are easy, right? Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods. We got any bald baseball? Jay Buneer? Love Jay Buehner. And he rocked the cleanly shaven head in the 90s before it was cool. Trying to think of other really famous actors or people in pop culture.

it's a good question. You know, the actors, it's hard for them to get jobs. So many people do fake hair. So many people would be bald, but bald culture. Actors. You know, like I wouldn't. See, honestly, I did most famous bald actors. And my two were near the top,

Duane Johnson and Bruce Willis. I guess you'd go Jason Statum. I don't know. Ed Harris. Samuel L. Jackson. I think Samuel L. would be up there. You know, Vin Diesel, I don't know, Terry Cruz, J.K. Simmons, big fan of J.K. Simmons. Travolta's one guy that clearly fought it for a long time and has now just completely embraced it.

When you see Travolta now, he used to like, he clearly had a wig for a long time. Bald singers. Kenny Chesney, it's a pretty good one. Billy Corgan, a smashing pumpkins. Not bad. To me, it's hard to get stronger than Willis and the Rock. Everyone else is fighting. And in sports, I mean, I would say the most iconic one by a Miles Michael Jordan.

I consider Tiger Woods ball as well. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and Headwriters. or street or side L, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Joe Dono. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! But there's so much more to me than me. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian.

And recently, I've become... quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hippocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions.

Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you,

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And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play. game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And

then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. He's nice, but get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. After you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hipsons High School. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip.

Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here?

Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. How did you believe? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot.

Hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on.

Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Eagles fan here. I know you have mentioned on several occasions that Big Dom is an important message of the Eagles. I think it was you that referred to him as the guy who knows where the bodies are buried. My friends and I in our group chat have been discussing that he's become famous. It almost comes across as a joke every time his name is mentioned in his story about the team. I tend to agree that he is important to the team and their culture, but always get pushback. My question is

this. Can you put into words what exactly Big Dom does and why is so important to the team? No, I can't. I think he does a little bit of everything. There are humans in companies that work for the bosses that it's hard to describe their roles. But that boss and that human knows what they bring to the table that no one else can quite figure out. Right. In a lot of non- Fortune 500 companies and like a smaller business, that guy exists sometimes. and ultimately while a football team is worth billions of dollars, they're not a huge operation in terms of employees.

And obviously the most important employees are your players and your coaches. Like, I would say he assists them. He just makes sure things happen. You know, Philly's a town where, you know, shit happens. And it's a small town despite it being a big city. So I think, you know, when people have described like Ernie Adams with Belichick, They're like, yeah, we're not really sure what he did, but I know what he did was important. Well, Bill kind of knew what he did, and Ernie kind of knew what he did, and it both, it just worked.

It's kind of dumb. Except it's not like on the field scheme stuff, which Ernie kind of did. It's more like lifestyle stuff. So whether it's helping guys out, whether it's a situation, it's a lot of personal stuff. Just making things happen or go away. It's really hard to describe. I mean, I can't give you like, I could give you a couple examples way back in the day. Probably statute of limitations.

It wouldn't matter. It's not like I know, like, incidents that are going on right now, you know, specific things. But I just know the general. It's why when people describe him, everyone talks about him kind of like a mythological figure because you can't exactly say what he's doing, even though half of it's not even bad. but every team's like that. I used to hear stories about Eddie de Bartolo when he owned the Niners in the 80s.

Like, you think, I mean, same thing with like Al Davis in the 70s. Like all these guys had dudes that just took care of stuff. I'd like to get your take on just how close teams with no realistic chance of winning a championship are to the cream of the crop in both the NFL and college.

Here's the scenario. I'm a 36-year-old. Six feet tall, 230 pounds. Out of shape. Get to play as a 12 man on every snap of offense, defense, and special teams for the Jacksonville Jags or the West Virginia Mountaineers, my favorite team. Injury sliders are turned off for me and opponents only get to play with 11. I recognize that my 40 time probably starts with a 6 and I can probably only bench 200 pounds. nevertheless, I am able to body adult males

that would need to at least be accounted for schematically, and I suspect my presence would immediately catapult the team to contender status. I would be a little utility in open space. I would be of little utility in open space, but sure my use as an extra blocker inside rusher for every snap would pose timing and assignment issues.

Oh, you get to play as a 12th man. It's a good question. I think you would probably impact more on defense. Like, for example, in the run game, if I just place you between the slot and whoever my rusher is, and you just ran up field, you would be like a forced defender to win the run game. Anything outside would force the guy in.

Or if the guy was busting a run, like, you know, it was an inside run and he tried to break it out, you would be there. even if you couldn't catch them and tackle them, which would be difficult in the Big 12 level. I mean, you would be the worst athlete on the field every game you played. The NFL, you'd have no shot. You'd have a better shot in college because the guys aren't as strong.

In the NFL, you get hurt. That'd be another thing. You would get injured. Like, you would get hurt. And you would get hurt fast. So as a 12th defender, even if you played for the Jags, like someone on the Titans would injure you. who the Jags just played the Jets.

Like, they would fuck you up. I mean, and honestly, it would happen in college too, depending on the team. I mean, you get hit hard in college. But, you know, there's a big difference getting hit by a guy at Alabama and getting hit by a guy at Texas Tech. But in the NFL, you would not last a game. I think you would get injured quick. You would get tossed around like a ragdoll. If you weren't touched, I guess you could impact plays on defense.

Offensively, I do not know what you would do. Because I would not put you at the line of scrimmage. You would get tossed. If I moved you as a slot or a wide receiver, a DB could break it off and come catch you. I think you would have little to no role as a bad athlete and out of shape. Listen to your answer about paying Brock. If we agree that Brock is easily a top 15 quarterback,

Most people have them in the top 10 and you're wanting to pay him $25 million a year? Do you think there could be a market reset of quarterback payouts? Because if the Jags are paying Trevor that much, he's garbage. Why wouldn't the team pay Brock twice as much as Trevor? Also, the rise of backup quarterbacks like Donald and Sam or Donald and Gino could mess with the market. Is he a top 10 quarterback?

He was last year when everyone was healthy. Is he this year? we know he's not, you know, Mahomes can have the worst year of his career and he's infinitely better. Burrell obviously much better, Lamar obviously much better. Josh Allen obviously much better. Justin Herbert's a better player. Matt Stafford is a better player. I think then we started arguing about the group that he's in, like the DAC, you know, Kirk Cousins isn't good anymore. Jared Gough is a better player this year. Now he's on a better team. Jalen Hertz is currently playing better. more functional. Yeah, I think it just becomes complicated. Again, I understand that he's not going to sign for $25 million a year. My point is, like, I just have a hard time giving him $200 million guaranteed.

I can't do it, especially not with a year remaining on his contract. My guess is they give him, like, $150 million guaranteed. If they give him $200, like, I just... Maybe I don't even know what I'm talking about. Or maybe the 49ers are just, like, the Jags and the... and the dolphins. Maybe they don't know quarterback that well, the quarterback market.

They traded everything for for Trey Lance, and now they're giving him. I was not to see how it plays out, but... Can you explain more about how teams deal with injuries like we have? This is a Lions fan. As far as once a player goes on IR and we sign a new player

or an entire defense like Detroit has to, is the player on IR counted against the cap? How do you balance the cap and money if you're having to sign so many additional players to fill in for these injuries. At a certain point, you hit the salary cap. How do you sign additional players? Well, when a guy goes on injured reserve, his cap money,

like the money you're actually paying him changes for a lot of these players. This is a good question for like Josh or Jake Rosenberg, specifically on the cap. But basically when I put a guy on an IR, he no longer takes one of the 53-man roster spot. And then when I sign one of these guys, I'm obviously paying him the minimum salary. So if I'm up against the salary cap and I have an injury, how can I pay a guy when I'm up against a salary cap? I'll be honest, I don't exactly know how to explain that because I don't know the exact logistics of it.

Clearly it makes sense once it's explained by a cap guy. But I know that when your roster opens up, you know, a guy's salary, if he's playing, you're paid to play games. So Cousins is getting $60 million, whether he plays, whether he doesn't, whether he goes into reserve. But a lot of guys' salaries, it depends whether are you active on game day? Are you dressed on game day? Are you on injured reserve? A lot of these salaries get cut in half.

Like, we're not just paying you to be on, even though it's not your fault, you got injured, but you get paid less. Like, ultimately you're compensated to play these games. Now, Ray Lewis once famously said, you pay me Monday through Saturday, Sundays are for free. But that's a better question for a Cap guy. I don't know the exact answer to that one. Or like how to describe it properly.

I've been a Titans fan my entire life. I feel like we are such a weird spot. With quarterback being the made question mark, it had me thinking, what can we realistically do? I don't think we get ahead of the Raiders or the Giants for Sanders or Ward. I also don't think Darnel would be playing at the same level he is he would be in Tennessee without Kevin O'Connell.

I also don't see a Rann Carthon could risk his job with another year of Levis. If you were the GM of the Titans, what would you do? I do think you'd have to entertain Sam Donald. I do think Sam Darnold in your division you would have to think long and hard about. Will Levis is never going to be your quarterback again after this year. Like, I don't even think he's on the team. I think he'd probably get cut. Like the Will Levis experiment ends right now.

You know, or, yeah, I don't, we'll see it. You know, how many games? Does he play? Is he benched? You know, what his situation is these last three games? But there will never be Will Levis anymore in a Titans uniform. So you go, you know, the draft is after a free agency. So in free agency, if Sam Darnold is available, like, would you be willing to give him a Baker

Mayfield contract? track. We saw Callahan, you know, with Joe Burrow. We know how he wants to play on offense. Your options are kind of limited. Like, this is not going to be some loaded situation. The draft is terrible. We'll see, McQuinn Ewers might not come out.

He's not even a good player. Carson Beck, who knows, you know, is Cam Ward a top 10 draft pick? That seems kind of bold. Dion Not Dion Chador I mean all signs point to him being the number one pick

Would Dion even allow Shador to go to you? I don't know I don't know man I mean I'm not saying you're screwed but I think you're in a little trouble Do you think Kyle Channan is unfairly escaping criticism this season?

He has been brilliant for years but much like Belichick he is very slow to adapt or adjust a lot of the struggles this year are on injuries plain and simple. But Kyle had a funky year where he refused to adjust even though he had gotten predictable. Teams know exactly what he's going to run. Every time Debo was in the backfield, they kept force-feeding players like CMC and Debo even when it was clear it wasn't effective. He has never been good half-time adjuster. His teams just tend to have the lead so it doesn't matter.

I wonder if his commitment to the game plan is hampering his quarterback's development and ability to make decisions. For example, calling audibles or even using his legs. I don't think he scrambled at all that Rams game. You would think he would dial up and play using Brock's legs. I always thought the might of the 49ers weapons were a bit overstated. Outside of McCaffrey, who's a monster, they are average at receiver and have a very good tight end. You could probably name eight, nine teams with a better overall core weapons. I think the receivers, you know, I use heard, but what I use, Eukes there, Joanne Jennings, Kittal. I mean, ultimately, if you're tight ends, a good pass catcher, he's a receiving option.

That's pretty good. I wonder if this is being slowed by the lack of weapons or it's the play caller. He needs that physicality and ability to separate for his schemes to run the way he wants them. They went from the best yak team to one of the worst. Is this true? How do they fix? I think he's very, very reluctant. And this is the way he builds his team.

Like he doesn't want to play like, you know, old school Andy Reid, I don't want to throw the ball 40 times a game. I want to play where the running game dictates the passing game. It's a very old school way of thinking. Even if the running back is coming back, that's just because our run game is effective. You know, a lot of teams like, oh, run game's working today. We will keep running the ball. Kyle is dead set on making sure the run game works.

And a lot of his past plays are dependent on those run plays working and if those past plays are not going to get used if the run game gets stuffed. And then a lot of his passing game is tied to like the boots and the waggles off the running game. Well, it feels like a lot of times this year when you're playing Brock Purdy, you know that like, hey, do not bite on play action fakes because he's going to roll right to you. And how many times they have tried to run like an outside zone that's a fake run, the play action, play with Brock then turning around and running the other way, and the defender's right in his face. It's like, Kyle, you've been running this play. And again, I'm not saying scrap the play,

but it is not as effective after four fucking years of using the play. And I just think that a lot of times, like, they can't just drop back and throw. So I don't have a great answer. Obviously, Kyle knows what he's doing and knows his offense really well. He's clearly just been out of sync this year. And I think losing McCaffrey early on in the season really threw them off. And I don't know. I don't have a great answer for you. I do think it gets back to, though, personnel. And their offensive line sucks. So beside Trent Williams, just to be like, we're going to drop back 40 times a game, Kyle would be like, our guy's going to get killed. And I'd be like, well, start drafting some more offensive linemen. You draft Ricky Pearson

on the first round, and you find Ricky Pearson on the fourth. So my bigger issue is, you know, not investing in offensive line. In fairness to Kyle, you watch some of these teams play, right? They drop back and their guy just gets killed. And it's like they just call pass play after passplay. That's probably what would happen if they just called pass play after pass play with his offensive line. So some of these, like some of his minions, like Bobby Slowick, it's like, bro, you keep calling passplay with your offensive line. You're going to get fucking CJ, you know, they're going to bury him in the ground.

Look at Gino. I mean, Gino's clearly running around for his life. My question is kind of twofold. As a Seattle fan, we used to be one. one of the best home field advantages in the league. Now we can't win at home to save our life. So one, what do you think is to blame for Seattle's home struggles this year? Also, I don't see Gino or Sam Howell being the quarterback long term.

Well, I think we agree with Sam Howell. I think there's a chance Gino's your quarterback for a couple more years. I think sometimes we take for granted of like your team was elite. So for like four or five years, you had Russell Wilson and this unreal defense. You were winning most of your games, home or away. But at home, like, your fans viewed you as the best team in the league. So it was a massive deal when that team played. It's still a big deal when you play a home game.

But most of the people walking into that building don't go, this is the best team we've ever seen. So I think sometimes we overthink, like, you had the best team in the history of your franchise for like legitimately a three or four year run. And this isn't the same. And part of dominating, your defense was elite.

So when your defense is elite, people aren't going to score on you, and it's super loud, I can't, a good home field, I'm not going to be able to hear anything. So it's kind of a double whammy. Well, your defense hasn't been as good

the last four or five years. So the home field advantage is neutralized a little bit. I think it's really just that simple, right? I mean, your team was a lot better. Team's not bad now. I think you've won nine games. If you win nine games this year, that's like three years in a row. But there was a stretch there when, and this was pre-17 game season.

So basically, when you really started kicking it, everyone's ass was 2012, 11 and 5, 12 and 3, 12 and 4. So you had a three year run of just domination. 2015, you're pretty good too. You went 10 and 6. Then you went 10 and 5 and 1. Then you kind of had the down year as you started pivoting off some of the players, 9 and 7. And then you're really good at the end of the decade. 10 and 6, 11 and 5, 12, and 4. Now, you were losing earlier in the playoffs in the previous years, but still, like you were really good. And that, these last couple years of Pete and now Mike, you know, seven and ten, nine and eight, nine and eight. And now you're probably a nine and eighteen.

So, I mean, there's a big difference between the teams we've seen these last three years, dinner nine and eight, and the L.O.B. Marshawn Lynch teams. I guess I think we all agree that if I take the 2013 Seattle Seahawks and they play the Mike McDonald, Gino Smith, Seattle Seahawks, if we're putting a line on draft kings on that game, Like I like the LOB, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Marshall and Lynch, Seattle, Seahawks, by a touchdown, you know, if not more. And if I told every fan, what team, one's wearing green and the other is wearing white,

you can wear one of the two jerseys, and that shows what team you're rooting for. What team do you think they'd be rooting for? We're all human beings. Like, we know what we're rooting for. It's like, why aren't the Chiefs losing? Because they're fucking fans never think they're going to lose when they enter the stadium.

And in fairness to them, they never do. For the money bag. What's your gym and diet routine, if you follow any? I go to the gym. I try to go seven days a week. I'd say weights, three days, cardio, the other four. And sometimes with the weights, we get cardio as well. With the wedding not too far away, I've kind of upped the intensity of the stairmaster.

Usually do the stairmaster on cardio days for 60 minutes. you know, weights, kind of lighter, higher rep, just try to tighten up the bod. Diet is just very hit or miss. I have a sweet tooth. It's probably my downfall. Not a huge drinker. I would say I can go on stretches where I'm pretty good at, like, fasting. Not eating breakfast is pretty easy for me.

When I'm light and losing weight, I mean, I was skinny a couple years ago. I would supplement lunch with, like, chocolate milk to get some protein. routine and you know whatever she makes for dinner we get hello fresh so we eat hello fresh a couple times a week go the store make some food eat out maybe once or twice a week I mean pretty normal diet I would say carbs and sugars are things that I when I get bigger I eat too much of and when I slim down I can avoid sugar is a key thing for me if I can avoid sugars I can drop like 10 pounds of quick. When I'm eating, you know, holidays, obviously,

you just eat cakes and pies and fucking candy around. So diet is something that is just, I could be a lot better at. I have incredible discipline getting to the gym on a daily basis. Even if at the gym, I'm not claiming to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, but I can get there and work out, no problem. Because I have to do it for my mentals. I'll lose my mind.

Like I get, I don't like the way I feel if I don't get a sweat. every day in some form or fashion, even if it's just sometimes I was going like an hour walk around like where I live. But I got to move or my mind doesn't work. But as you get older, you realize you can't outrun a bad diet. And to me, that's, I even feel it from like 36 to 40 years old. It's dramatic. And there was a big switch for those listening in their 20s, like it starts hitting your late 20s to your early 30s is a dramatic change. I remember being in the NFL. seeing like older guys be very good about their diet and realizing that they knew that you got to be like you could, I remember Deshaun Jackson could eat fucking French fries, you know, three meals a day. That'd be his only meal like French fry. It wouldn't even matter, right? But some guys, you got to be careful. And I definitely don't have the genetics where I can't just eat like shit. And at my core, kind of like, I don't really like eating like shit as you get older because I don't feel great, but I have no problem taking in the food. then after you're like, I kind of regret that.

I'm loving Bo Nix and Sean Payton combination. Do you think his ceiling is higher than the draft analyst thought? I would say, I think Bo Nix is a good example, and this is like a lot of players. Some guys can transcend,

like Lamar Jackson was going to be a really talented, explosive NFL player, whether he played for the Ravens or whether he played for the Jacks. But do you know what turns out about Trevor Lawrence? Like, he might have really needed to go to a stable organization. And I think Purdy, who we talk a lot about here, Bo Nix, some guys are desperate if they're going to succeed to go to a good coach

and go to someone that knows what they're doing. Like if you put Bo Nix on Jacksonville, or you put Bo Nix on like, just put them on some, the Giants, it would look awful. It would not look good, right? Just like if you gave Bo Nicks to Andy Reid, he'd be a good player. Give Bo Nicks to Sean Paiton, you'd be a good player. If you gave Bo Nicks to Kyle Shanning, it would be a good player.

If you give Brock Purdy to Andy Reid, he'd be a good player. So I think most guys that aren't just like Kyler Murray, who's up and down player, like on any given play, he can look like the best player in the league. Most guys don't have that capability. So most guys are very, very dependent on who's calling the place and who's coaching them up. Appreciate everyone listening. Have a great day. Talk to you soon. The volume.

Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

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