The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Flacco changed the Comeback Player award, Shedeur skips the Manning Camp, Rodgers skipped camp to do ayahuasca

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

John dives into the impact of Joe Flacco winning Comeback Player of the Year and how him winning has changed the criteria for the award and if that's a good thing, why Shedeur Sanders shouldn't be ski...pping the Manning Camp when all of the other top QB's will be there, does Austin Ekeler have a point as to why he's no longer on the Chargers, and what's the real reason why Aaron Rodgers skipped Jets mini-camp. Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 7:29 - Flacco and the Comeback Player of the Year 10:53 - Shedeur Sanders skips the Manning camp 12:14 - Austin Ekeler and the Chargers 13:32 - Aaron Rodgers and the Jets 23:01 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:41 NFL comeback player of the year changes its parameters. Peyton Manning passing a camp. Shador Sanders, no show. Rumors of Rogers, it turns out, might be on ayahuasca instead of being a practice, which I think is just hilarious. And then we'll do a big mailbag. At John Middilcoff is the Instagram. Fire in those DMs.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Get your question answered on the show. Very easy. So we will be a mailbag-heavy podcast for sure. This is going to be my last podcast of the week. I'm going to go on with Colin on Thursday night, so that'll be out Friday. I'm sure talking some football. You know, he loves talking Rogers and a little ayahuasca. So we will discuss that as well.
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Starting point is 00:07:39 Joe Flacko became the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns when Watson's shoulder didn't work anymore. He wasn't on the team. He wasn't the backup. He wasn't even in the league. As he had said, I was taking naps and taking my kids to school. I was waiting for my children in the carpooling. Now, the league or maybe the AP, whoever controls this award, has changed. change the parameters on how to win it. Now listen, if you have a major injury and you come back and have a great season, no one ever argued that is an incredible accomplishment and you should win the comeback
Starting point is 00:08:23 player of the year. That's awesome. But now that is the only way to win the award. To have an injury or to have something happen to you physically that you overcome and come back and perform. I'm sorry, you can be the comeback player. of the year if you're literally not playing football. The other thing with Joe Flacco is he had been objectively awful for several years.
Starting point is 00:08:50 And I know the playoff game did not go well. They got their butt kicked against the Houston Texans. But what Joe Flacco did last year was freaking amazing. It was easily one of the best stories of the year. And when stuff like that happens, when a guy who has been a good player or a famous player either washes out of the league or is just kind of irrelevant for a couple years and come back and has either a Pro Bowl-like season or does something like Flacco does, they should be up for the award.
Starting point is 00:09:22 I don't think we need to overthink this. Just because you shatter your leg and come back, you shouldn't have the market cornered on the ability to vote for other people. And I just think this is stupid and this is classic like, what are we doing here? Did anyone argue about Joe Flacco's story last year? Weren't we all amazed by what was going on? He literally saved the franchise.
Starting point is 00:09:47 They were in major trouble. I mean, they had problems when Watson went down. The guy came off the couch to lead them to 11 wins and the playoffs. If that's not a comeback story, I don't know what is. I saw this headline today. The Manning Academy is going to go on in the next couple days. maybe this weekend or next week. And every top college quarterback is going.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Carson Beck, Quinn Yours, you just go around. All the guys, Jalen Milrow, everyone who someone in college football attends the event. Just like they always have, right? All the top prospects go to the Maining Academy. Hell, Johnny Mansell once got kicked out of it. If there's one name missing, Shadour Sanders. Now, I don't have the report. or it doesn't have the reasoning why he's not attending.
Starting point is 00:10:40 I just know this Colorado thing has gotten a little weird. I mean, with Dion and Shador talking a bunch of shit to a player who had to transfer, he is going to be one of the more fascinating evals coming into the year. Just because there's a lot of noise, there's obviously a lot of talent, but the team is terrible. There's some pressure now. You move conferences, which is a much easier conference. In theory, is the team any good?
Starting point is 00:11:08 I don't know. Are they going to make a bowl game having a long time? I'm just telling you, this thing's got potential to get weird. And I know through the first couple games last year, and I thought this too, I'm like, this guy's going to be the number one overall pick. This happens a lot. I mean, we once did it with Josh Rosen. He ended up going 10. I'm not acting like this guy's not going to get drafted high.
Starting point is 00:11:31 I just know if you're a scout, if you're a front office, you're going to have to do a lot of work. this situation. Listen, I'm not acting like it's the end of the world. He's not going to the Madding Academy. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. I'm sorry, a little bizarre. Literally everyone always goes. Austin Echler, who is one of the better quote-unquote scatbacks in the league. Taylor made for modern day football. You can catch the ball. Pretty good running back, but really good out of the backfield. Very productive player. He said the reason he's not still on the Chargers is because Jim Harbaugh and that offense wants a guy to carry the ball 300 times a year, which I got news for you.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Most guys don't even sniff 250 carries anymore. Awesome. The reason you're not on the Chargers anymore is because you're not a fit. Jim Harbaugh doesn't use guys like you. Jim Harbaugh likes guys that can run the ball between the tackles. is what he yearns for. Going back to the 49ers, his favorite player of all time,
Starting point is 00:12:40 Frank Gore, to the guy that he has dominated with the last couple years, Blake Corm. He wants an every down back. You're not that guy. They might have lied to your face that they want a guy that could carry the ball 300 times a year.
Starting point is 00:12:53 They just don't want you as a player. And there's nothing wrong with that. When new coaches come in, schemes change, ideas change with how they want players. Austin Eccler is a really good player. If, depending on my coach, I would want him on my team. But when you say Jim Harbaugh,
Starting point is 00:13:08 I don't think Austin Echler, like, welcome to the business. Rumors are flying that Aaron Rogers, and I said this last week, and I'll continue to say, I don't think it's a big deal. That in terms of football, that he missed the minicamp,
Starting point is 00:13:26 I think it has zero impact on the actual team come Monday night football against the 49ers week one. I think it has zero. impact. Where it does have an impact is because of the market they're in New York, because of the NFL, it's, and obviously him, you could argue now, is definitely the most polarizing player in the NFL. Their coach, who feels a little over his head, and all these stories become
Starting point is 00:13:51 bigger stories. But the rumor is that he went a long way away to do ayahuasca. I don't really have anything to say besides that's kind of hilarious. Like, this is the ultimate, brand move. I guess I would, if I was Robert Sauer or Joe Douglas, I don't think it would be crazy to push back.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Like, couldn't we just do it three days later and just avoid all the hoopla? But he's like, hey, we got an ayahuasca convention in fucking Japan or China or in, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:24 some mountain somewhere in India. I got to be there, bro. Or, I don't know, do you eat the leaves? Again, I'm not anti, I'm not anti-drugs. Not a drug user,
Starting point is 00:14:34 but definitely not. I haven't done ayahuasca. I'm not too proud or definitely too prude or too big of a stiff to ever try it. Seems like it's not really for me, but right circumstances, you never know. I do think if you just say it out loud, he missed mandatory minicamp to do ayahuasca. Like, I get the pushback. I get people going, are you serious? It's like one thing.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Hey, brother's wedding. Hey, my wife's having a baby. hey, my grandpa is sick. Like, there are a lot of, hey, I have this trip planned with my wife's family. There's no way to get out. Even that. Like, you're doing ayahuasca? Like, you have the whole summer to eat these leaves or snort this dust or whatever the hell it actually is.
Starting point is 00:15:24 And again, I'm not some, you know, Big Jay who doesn't, like, I get it. I have friends that have done it. I understand the potential positive impact. guess it has on your mental space, which is big for Aaron. But when you do just say, like, I heard Nick Wright, he's like, just say it out loud. He mispractice to do drugs. Like, it is, it is kind of funny. Like, some stories are just kind of funny.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Belichick, dating a 24-year-old. They bonded over philosophy. He's helped her with her homework. He goes to her cheerleading competitions. There's no way that you don't just smile when you talk about Bill Belmont. And his 24-year-old girlfriend, I kind of think this is in the same vein. Aaron Rogers left practice to do ayahuasca. Again, don't have that second source.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Just seeing it flying on the internet. I just find it funny. A lot of players in the, this is one thing as a pro scout in the NFL, you are tabbed with following the CFL, and we've had a lot of different leagues over the year. The XFL, the UFL, what's going on now, the AFL, the USFL, whatever league is going on domestically or in Canada, where guys that played college football and maybe played a training camp or run a practice squad, it's on you to follow that.
Starting point is 00:16:57 So you are watching that tape and evaluating. Now, it can be relatively, it's not like you're just evaluating every, player. You're following guys that are productive, that had college grades, you know, draftable grades coming out, maybe guys that have played in the NFL. So you can whittle down the list pretty easily. But you do got to keep taps because when so-and-so from the Birmingham defenders and you're working for the Eagles, signs with the Cowboys, it's like, hey, were we on this guy? Were we interested in this human? And I have seen six or seven players sign with very, very, very, you know, teams. And that's all because of the pro scouts. And they get no love. Like college scouts get a lot
Starting point is 00:17:42 more credit just in terms with a casual fan because they're going into schools. They're writing the reports. Hey, I love this guy. I didn't like this guy. The pro scouts is a pretty thankless job. You just sit in the office all day. You watch practice squad players. You basically write up every team and you watch these leagues that no one is watching. Besides actually like a million people, I think they're actually doing relatively well in terms for what they are. But you do get a lot of credit if you sign one of these guys. And I'll never forget.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I had one of my tasks. My first year in the league was to keep an eye on this league that went under after one year. And this safety from the Sacramento Mountain Lions, I think, they were called. Andrew Sendejo. I was like, God, this guy's a pretty good player.
Starting point is 00:18:31 He plays the ball, hits people. and I went to my guy Lewis Riddick, who was our pro director at the time. I said, Andrew Sendejo, we should take a look at this guy. 10 years later, he has a long NFL career. No one listened to me, but hey, it is what it is. So props do all the pro scouts out there in the NFL grinding on USFL tape. Because I'll promise you this. You get a lot of internal credit from your GM, from your head coach, and your owner,
Starting point is 00:19:00 if that guy were to bake the team. Hell, it's an enormous win. If a guy you sign from a league like that makes your practice squad. So you never know. That's a great part about football. You have a lot of undrafted free agents. Random guys make teams all the time. So this guy is probably a little harder because you've been playing football during the spring.
Starting point is 00:19:19 So you better come into training camp. You're a little behind. You don't know the playbook. All the rookies and the younger players have been practicing and working out with the team. So you're at a disadvantage. But football's crazy. know. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.
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Starting point is 00:25:00 we'll start with Wyatt. Huge cheese fan here. I was rewatching the miced-up from last year's Super Bowl. You know the best part about rooting for sweet teams? It's like whenever you're bored, you're like, I'll just YouTube some sweet content from my squad. And it's always fun. That's the best.
Starting point is 00:25:19 When you're a loser, like when you root for a awful team, which at some point in time, you all go through, the off season when you're bored that you just, it's tough reading articles like, hey, we got this fourth rounder in camp. It looks like a steal. It's like, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. But when you're just sweet on top of the mountain, you just can never. overconsume. You're like, yeah, watch the miced-up segment for the 17th time. Mahomes calls out to Rice, be ready for the ball, before he's even relayed the play to the rest of the offense in the huddle. How many quarterbacks in the league have a good idea who will be open
Starting point is 00:26:00 on a specific play before they even break the huddle? Also, how many quarterbacks all time? I would say the ebb and flow, like in that situation, it's probably a short list. I think good quarterbacks throughout the week and you have a good offensive coordinator and you've scheme plays and you have a pretty good idea. This is going to be, if they're in the coverage, this is going to be, this is going to work. Right. So any good quarterback slash good offensive coordinator, the communication is when we call this play, because you've schemed it up during practice, this is a touchdown. This is an explosive play.
Starting point is 00:26:40 but I think what you've really seen out of Mahomes is obviously to become really famous and a fun player. I mean, nothing like winning Super Bowls, but like individual games as a quarterback are sweet plays, right? And for a quarterback like Mahomes or Josh Allen or Justin Herbert, it's like the 60-yard bomb. On a rope, I mean, Rogers did it forever, right? I mean, when I think Rogers' best play of all time,
Starting point is 00:27:07 I mean, best play of all time. It might be that Arizona Cardinal playoff game. I think it was like the wild card game where he ended up hitting the Hail Mary, but he scrambled in the end zone and hit a crazy play down the field. Like, when you can do stuff like that, it's like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:27:26 But what makes a great player is like doing some basic things well, understanding when they blitz, where I have to throw it to immediately. When I hit the checkdown, hit the guy in stride or does he have to stop? And is it the difference between an eight-yard gain on third and seven for a first down or like a three-yard I'm tackled because I had to stop, the linebacker can make the play?
Starting point is 00:27:51 I don't want to say he's mastered the position because I still think that probably takes some time. But relative to his experience, I don't think you can be any better. Because physically he has all the traits to do all the special stuff. And then when you master the mind. game of playing quarterback. I mean, that's why, I mean, the two best quarterbacks of my lifetime, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, and they had
Starting point is 00:28:15 to because they didn't have the physical skills of Aaron Rogers. They mastered the game mentally. So when physically they could match up with the mental game, they were an unstoppable player. And Tom's the best version of that. And I think Mahomes has
Starting point is 00:28:31 become much closer to like Peyton and Tom in terms of I can just control a game. that we have to win 17 to 14. Obviously, when those guys have weapons, they can score 35, 40 points. No problem. On basically 90% of the league.
Starting point is 00:28:47 And then against the best defenses, find a way to score 24, 28 points. But like, what happens in that moment when you and Andy are on the same page, when you know the defensive looks, when you've mastered the coverages that they run? Obviously, with the Super Bowl, you have multiple weeks to study the team.
Starting point is 00:29:08 I guess they played the 49ers last year. I think they play again this year. They killed the Niners two years ago, right after they traded for McCaffrey. But I mean, in the two playoff games, I would say his first Super Bowl against the Niners, he's most famously known for the Wasp play to Tyree Kill, which was just an awesome play.
Starting point is 00:29:30 This Super Bowl, and really this playoff run, especially the last two games, the Ravens and the Niners, We're about mastering the mental game. And that's what makes just all-time grades. And that's what he is at this point, because he was dealing with, his best receiver was a rookie. And Travis, who I saw even admitted to, who was he talking to? He was doing an interview somewhere that, like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:29:55 I understand that, you know, at this point in time, my career, like, I come on and off the field because I'm an older player. I need my energy as a season goes on. like he's not and Rishie Rice is going to get suspended. I guess, did they sign Hollywood Brown? They drafted worthy. Like, he's going to be depending on some kind of random group of guys. Tony can't catch a cold.
Starting point is 00:30:18 So I think Mahomes is just a pure joy to watch. This is what I said about Bryson. I was texting with someone the other day. Like, has anyone ever made a better comeback? Right, from, like, villain to, like, very beloved. And I think Kobe went from beloved to kind of villain to beloved. Obviously that was because of everything that happened in Colorado and kind of the way he acted in the mid-2000s.
Starting point is 00:30:43 But what makes for the most part, like the most fun players of my life who have been great players are just kind of universally liked because it's enjoyable to watch them play. It's amazing if you just smile and look like you're having fun, how far that will go for the dude sitting on the couch for little kids. Brett Farv in his heyday was the most fun to watch because he was just out there. It looked like he was playing backyard football.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Now Mahomes has, like, combined the two, but he's just a fun player to watch. He's an enjoyable, just athlete to consume. He's probably a little less enjoyable, this version of him, because they're not as explosive on offense. But, like, I just like, like, Bryson was a lot of fun the other day because he was always smiling. And it's sometimes I think about that Because I can be a little grouchy I can be a little negative
Starting point is 00:31:39 I just put a smile on your face Just be a little happier And things get better So it's amazing how easy that trick is The older you get Went to the U.S. Open Sunday Was truly an incredible tournament And one of the wildest experiences
Starting point is 00:31:53 Running up to the 18 Two guys with radios Heard Bryson hit the bunker And everyone started running to 17 Only to hear the knocks only to hear that he knocked it in from three and a half feet. We all dead stopped, turned around, and sprinted back to 18. The reason they ran to 17s because everyone assumed they were going to go to a playoff.
Starting point is 00:32:13 All-time classic for sure. Luckily, lucky enough to live in South Carolina and be near the action. Yeah, I mean, it's, I've been to a couple golf tournaments, but I've never been to a golf tournament on a Sunday. I mean, that's probably one of the more historic moments. There is nothing like being at a big moment. in sports when everyone kind of knows it's a big moment, whether it be a tight playoff game, whether it be I've been to World Series games, I've been to NBA Finals games, there's something
Starting point is 00:32:45 special about being in the arena, right? Obviously, there's nothing like being the player in the arena, the pressure. And I make my living now off watching games. People are like, why don't you go to more games? It's because I can't really afford to. Like, I got to see everything. And if I can't go to a game on Sunday because I'll miss everything that else is going on And how am I supposed to talk to Colin Record a podcast when I haven't watched anything? Like that's I'm not doing first take here
Starting point is 00:33:13 Or I don't watch half the things and just You know shout out like Like I'm really aggressive That's not what I do And I enjoy watching the game So I miss going to some big events And That had to be pretty special
Starting point is 00:33:29 And I would imagine a lot people listening have just over the course of your life you're a big sports fan have got an opportunity because you never know that's the thing you have an idea when you go to a playoff game an NFL playoff game obviously you know what's on the line if you went to like a final four national championship you know what's on the line but even some regular season games some things can just turn into instant classics a record could be broken you can just watch something pretty special and that's the great unknown about the reality television that is sports I know people said that football was rigged.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I'm maybe of the of the group that thinks that's not true, but I would say one of my favorite games I've ever been to in my entire life is the last day a candlestick and back a candlestick you could walk on the field five minutes before the end of the game
Starting point is 00:34:21 if you had a media pass. And I got to go on the field. And this was the 49ers Monday night football John Grude and Mike Tariko against the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta was having a horrendous season, but they were beating the Niners. And they were, or maybe they were tied. I can't exactly remember the score, but they were driving to essentially win the game. And I'm on the field standing next to Chris Berman. It was just like this in the place is fully packed.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Joe Montana, every famous Niners at the house. Eddie de Bartolo's there. Boys and Men's going to play after the game. And Matt Ryan throws a bass, a little behind, I think Roddy White, lands in Navaral Bowman's hands, and Navaral Bowman takes it 75 yards, jumps into the end zone for a touchdown, and it clinched the Niners in the playoffs, and the place went berserk. It was, it was just one of the coolest experiences of my life from, in terms of sports. You just can't, there's nothing like it. You can only get those highs watching sports on television from gambling, I think. For the mailbag.
Starting point is 00:35:33 With Netflix getting the rights for the NFL Christmas slate, do we expect a new commentary team to come in? Who would you like to see call these games? Or do you think they will ultimately end up doing these games? Was curious because Olson's in limbo, situation second in line at Fox, and potentially securing a spot with Netflix. I don't think Netflix, if I had to guess,
Starting point is 00:36:01 and I'm not something like media reporter, this way. I have no clue. Greg Olson, you wouldn't give up. I know he goes, I mean, it sucks. Now, it's also understandable. They signed Tom Brady is that he went for making $10 million or $3 million, just because Tom Brady signed on. But listen, I'm not going to cry a river for a guy making $3 million con football games, even though Greg Olson's really good and I enjoy him. But he still gets a big slate every single week. Now, you don't get the number one slate, but you still get really, really good games as the number two at Fox. But you wouldn't give up 16, 17 games a year
Starting point is 00:36:38 just for one Netflix game. And who knows? Maybe he can do both. And my guess is going to be that Netflix is going to outsource the production to a Fox, a CBS, a NBC, someone like that, and then use people to call the games.
Starting point is 00:37:01 I'm not, unless you're, you're terrible. I mean, God awful. It doesn't really bother me much. Because honestly, most crews, I don't think are like that great, but also are that bad. They're just kind of meh.
Starting point is 00:37:16 It doesn't matter. I'm there to watch the football game. I'm not looking to gain an education from these guys. I've said it forever. I would have loved and Drew Breeze is like bitter that he got fired. It's like Drew, I have a ton of respect for you as a player. Not
Starting point is 00:37:32 everyone is meant to have a mic in front of their mouth and entertain. This is entertainment. And I just, I don't think you're really tailor-made for that. I think you should, like, run a team. I think you should be like a team president or GM. If you don't want to coach, you'd probably be an outstanding offensive coordinator. But just because you're famous at playing football doesn't mean that anyone wants to listen to you talk about football because maybe you're just not good at doing that.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I mean, Joe Montana, one of the best football players of all time, was awful. A lot of guys have just been awful. I think Philip Rivers would be really good. But if you, I hope they don't do this, but I do think this is potential to happen, is they try to do some like famous non-football people with football people, maybe throw in a comedian there, do something like that. I would imagine anything's online. Now, I can imagine the NFL would just want a normal crew. but I don't spend that much time thinking about you know
Starting point is 00:38:35 who should do what you know if you tell me it's Macafee and someone I just it won't bother me just do whoever just throw on the game most people are going to have it tuned relatively down because of Christmas stuff but my guess would be is they use crews from other networks
Starting point is 00:38:53 Gruden maybe Gruden gets back in the mix problem is he's suing the league if I was Netflix John Gruden. A question for the mailbag. More of a coaching one than a scouting one. How do skill position players know when they have to get in and out of the next play,
Starting point is 00:39:13 especially in the pros, where they don't use signs to get plays in? I've played soccer and rugby where you substitute one for one when play is dead. How does that work in football, especially if the quarterback gets the play from the OC? Well, on the sideline, you are screaming the, you know, the formations or the, what's it called? I'm blanking right now. The, not the position groups, but the, I can't think of the terminology. But like three wide receivers, two wide receivers, one running back, one tight end. Two tight ends, two backs, one wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:39:55 whatever that is, it is getting screamed from the sideline. So you know what groups you're a part of if you're a quote-unquote role player. And then there are times when, you know, a starter needs a breather, right? You see that all the time. Like a guy busts a big run or a guy's just exhausted and it'll kind of tap his chest like Christian McCaffrey or Alvin Kamar or running back. Like I just need a breath. But I think with the signals, there are still guys screaming.
Starting point is 00:40:25 the whatever the group that's supposed to be in there on the sideline. And you're close enough, you can hear it and you just come off. It's not very complicated. And you've been doing it so consistently. Like in college, obviously there are the signs. But in college, most of the guys playing in the pros don't come off the field that much. In pro football, you rotate a lot. There's also a lot on a given week schemed up.
Starting point is 00:40:51 So you kind of have an idea like, hey, this play, I'm not a part of, but you'd already be off the field. It's a relatively seamless transition. It's why when you see a delay of game for substitution issues, usually the head coach goes nuts because that should not happen because you practice it so often. Now, on the road, in certain environments, it is louder, right? So it is hard. But I think these guys relatively are used to the ebb and flow of looking at the sideline and kind of knowing.
Starting point is 00:41:22 I would say a well-run team has little to know. issues with that. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
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Starting point is 00:45:49 I would love to hear your insight. The quarterback talent that has been drafted from 17 to 24 has ushered in a new era of football and has replaced the legends of the 2000s and the 2010s. Yet only one of them has won a Super Bowl. over the next 10 years, assuming Mahomes wins two on the low end and four on the high end. If Mahomes wins four on the high end,
Starting point is 00:46:12 that's pretty nuts. I think it's fair to assume the Chiefs probably win another one, but I'd set his over-under at one and a half. If he wins two more in his career, he would pass Montana, and I think he'd be wildly considered
Starting point is 00:46:34 Brady would have the best career ever, but people would be arguing he's the best quarterback ever, but I think he would definitely solidify himself as the number two quarterback of all time, fly by the mannings of the world. I think to avoid a cop-out answer, I'm only going to give Mahomes three. Giving Mahomes three is a lot.
Starting point is 00:46:55 That would be when six Super Bowls, I know he's already won three, but think of the gap between Brady when he won his three, To the next Super Bowl he won, right? He won his third Super Bowl, 2001, 2003, 2004. Then they didn't win another Super Bowl till what, 2014 or 15? Because they lost in 07 to the Giants. They lost an 11 of the Giants.
Starting point is 00:47:22 There was a wide gap of Tom Brady down win a Super Bowl. And the difference is Belichick, like, he was going to coach that whole time. Andy is what, 65 years old? so if Mahomes plays another 13, 14 years, is he going to be coaching to his late 70s? That's a variable here. Here's where I tentatively landed on this. Let me know your thoughts and what changes you would make.
Starting point is 00:47:51 So Mahomes 3, 2 for Josh Allen, two for Jordan Love, one for C.J. Stroud, one for Caleb Williams, one for Brock Purdy. I could not go two for Jordan Love. Could not do it. Because while he did show some signs of being Aaron Rogers like, Aaron Rogers was Aaron Rogers and rattling off MVP's.
Starting point is 00:48:16 And beside Tom Brady was probably the second best player of the 2010s, he did not get back to a Super Bowl after he won it. It is so different. It's so random. Because the other thing is you're going to have some random guys on really good teams beat you in the playoffs. I would drop all these numbers. numbers. I would put Baham's lower. The bills, have the bills ever won a Super Bowl?
Starting point is 00:48:44 The Packers have won two Super Bowls in 35 years, and they've had Aaron Rogers and Brett Farf. Caleb Williams, I can't assume he's going to win a Super Bowl. Let's see him make the playoffs. To me, Brock Purdy, you could go one for Brock Purdy. Might have to happen this year while he's on the rookie contract, and their team's going to be really good. Who knows what the team will look like after that? Maybe they'll be in a transitional period. I think it's hard to do this in the NFL because like, what if the Lions were to win a Super Bowl this year? What if
Starting point is 00:49:17 trying to think of what if the Eagles were to win a Super Bowl in the next couple years? Their team's pretty stacked. What if Matt Stafford and the Rams? Their team's pretty good. I think it's impossible to play that game. And I think whoever you think is going to win Super Bowls always ends up winning less.
Starting point is 00:49:36 There was a time after Peyton Manning when his first Super Bowl, be like, this guy's going to win like three, four. Shit, he barely won two. The Jordan Love thing, how many playoff games with Packers won over the last like 10 years? And again, I'm high on the Packers, but they couldn't win him with Aaron.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Now they're going to win one with Jordan Love. Vince Young won the rookie of the year in 06 and left so much to be desired for the remainder of his career. Is there any chance that C.J. Stroud has a similar fate is the hype too much. Why is everyone in complete agreement that he will be able to compete in the AFC for years to come? If Burrow returns to what he was and Herbert takes off this year,
Starting point is 00:50:23 he wouldn't be a top five quarterback in his own conference. Well, if I remember correctly, Vince Young was kind of playing hero ball scrambling around. Like Vince Young, his whole game was not predicated on throwing the ball. C.J. Stroud dominated from the pocket. C.J. Stroud's skill is a sustainable skill. It was like, no way Steph and Clay can shoot this many threes, this consistently. And then like after three years, like, oh, yeah, they kind of can.
Starting point is 00:50:55 It's kind of what they do. If you play well from within the pocket, you are a good player if you obviously have the arm and are accurate. Look at Jared Goff. Jared Goff has the skills. If you can protect him, he's going to. to be a good quarterback. He is an excellent pocket quarterback. Well, C.J. Stroud is more athletic, has
Starting point is 00:51:16 a little bit more potent arm, and he plays in a dome. So, I think it's fair to, I'm with you, just to anoint him. Part of being Mahomes or Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, like, can you do this for five years? Year in, year out,
Starting point is 00:51:33 every single year, like, yeah, I might win the MVP this year. This is a big year for him. Plus, they were not a target team. last year. They were not treated on a weekly basis like, we're playing the Houston Texans. They will be this year. So what's it like having the target on your back? But his skill and everything that I've heard about him as a guy and you just watch him talk, he's clearly a high level, great guy, people like him, hard worker. But like his skill transfers long term. That's the thing with Deshawn Watson. You know a lot of, I'll, I never enlisted to Sean when he was young,
Starting point is 00:52:10 was awesome to watch, but it was a lot of outside the pocket scrambling around making shit happen. That's kind of random. Like it kind of comes back in to equal out over time. It was Russell Wilson's problem. He's not some great pocket quarterback. But early on in his career and in his heyday, scramble around, he would make these remarkable plays. But like what happens when you're just like 34 and you just have to play from within the pocket? Can you play from within the pocket. Why does Zach Wilson suck? Can't play from within the pocket. Why did the Niners get rid of Tray Lance?
Starting point is 00:52:45 Didn't think he had any pocket presence. CJ does. And when you have that skill and then you're accurate and you have a good arm, your floor is really high. No, does that mean you're ever going to be the second best quarterback in the league? We've got a lot to learn. But I would be stunned if he's not a really good player.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Now, like where he ranks, I'll have to see. If he keeps playing like he did last year, he's going to rank high. Hey man, love the pod, but your take about Lamar has been horribly wrong. He was at the first two days of OTAs, mixed the next two days, and there the last two days. Not sure how you got the misconception he didn't show up at all. I let it slide the first time, but when you pre-ed it today when talking about Rogers, he missed all the OTAs and showed up to the mandatory minicamp. It's been well reported. I don't care. It doesn't bother me. But when you're Lamar Jackson, you show up
Starting point is 00:53:42 to everything. You know why? Patrick Mahomes did. Josh Allen did. Every quarterback worth their salt does. Aaron Rogers is 40 years old doing drugs somewhere. Whatever. I don't, I don't care. But like, Lamar, you're chasing Patrick. If Patrick's at practice, you should be a practice. Paying you $50 million a year. How's this debatable? Like, how could anyone go? Yeah, this is a little weird. What's he doing? Why's he not a practice? I'll tell you who was mad. It doesn't bother me. I'm not a fucking Ravens fan. You guys. screwed me when I bet $5,000 on you win the AFC championship game and you shit down your leg. One of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Biggest waste of money I've ever had. I can't believe I bet against Andy and Mahomes with Todd Monk and Lamar Jackson skipping balls into the ground. I was the guy that believed. I was finally a believer. I was like, okay, this team, I thought Braves were going to win Super Bowl. And you don't win the Super Bowl and then you're skipping practices? When Patrick Mahomes is at practice? Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Like, that's just a bad look. Pay a 50 plus million dollars a year. Every time we have an event, you should be there. Period. Point blank, end a story. What are we talking about? I'm not a journalist. This is not about facts, right? It's been well reported.
Starting point is 00:54:55 He was nowhere to be found. Showed up at the end when you literally have to because you get fine. I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to get fine. He got fined $750,000 workout bonus. He didn't get. Why? Because he wasn't at practice.
Starting point is 00:55:10 And I defended him like it's not very much money to him, relative to how much he makes, though I wouldn't be in the business of giving $750K around. But like, there's no defending Lamar Jackson not showing up. There just isn't. Like, unless someone's sick or ill. But if you're just not showing up because you don't want to be there, like, is Patrick Mahomes there? It's Patrick Mahomes at practice? Because that's what I'd be looking.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I'm chasing, what's Tiger Woods doing? He's hitting balls? I better be hitting balls. Michael Jordan's in the gym? LeBron's, Steph is in the gym? I better be in the gym. Not by myself, with my team. when my team's practicing.
Starting point is 00:55:47 God, that performance in the playoff game was all-time embarrassment. Really was. Question for the bag. Given the modern landscape of the league and game, in a hypothetical 53-round fantasy draft quarterbacks would fly off the board to start. My question is how many think would come off the board before taking a non-quarterback. I think I got this question by someone before. I think the number's a little smaller.
Starting point is 00:56:15 I think the last time I got the question, someone wrote 20, quarterbacks, I don't think it would be 20 quarterbacks. I think when we got to about 10. Let's do it right now. Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Herbert, for sure. It's crazy that's going to sound Caleb Williams would go. C.J. Stroud. That's seven. Jalen Hertz.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Like the DAC, Cousins, Purdy, Gough. All that stuff is debatable. Am I missing any borough? But you'd get pretty quick into like, wait, you're not going to draft Michael Parsons? You're going to draft Kirk Cousins over Nick Bosa? And I probably'm doing it off the cuff. Probably left out a couple guys. I think the number is somewhere between 10 to 12.
Starting point is 00:57:11 10 to 12. If Kyle Shanahan was drafted, Purdy would go high. Goff. I mean, would you take golf? This is a good example. Goff. who I'd now put above DAC and above Kirk Cousins because I see the guy playing well in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Would you take golf if you needed to start a team from scratch and you weren't going to, if you had the 10th pick, and you weren't drafting again until whatever 40, or whatever, 42, you do the math. You're taking Goff or Michael Parsons. You could argue just take Goff, you got a good quarterback. I don't know if wide receivers, like I'm taking linemen before I'm taking wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:57:52 There's so many wide receivers in the league. it's like, okay, you took, you know, C.D. Lamb in the first round. I'll take Amin-Ross St. Brown in the third or something. You know, I would take the pass rushers, the tackles. I'd take, I would probably go, depending on where I drafted, quarterback, O-line, D-line in the first couple rounds. With the new kickoff rule in place, do you think the kicker position, as we know it, is a thing of the past? Kickers are going to be involved in a whole lot of tackles, which leads me to, to believe we'll see an evolution of the kicker to a more physical body type than the scrawny
Starting point is 00:58:30 soccer player we've become accustomed to. Well, the problem is you still need your kicker to make field goals. So do you want Justin Tucker making open field tackles? Of course not. But like, are you finding Ray Lewis with Justin Tucker's leg? Like, part of the thing is what they do is pretty difficult. Has anyone ever just screwed around and had someone hold the ball and just attempt to kick like a 15-yard fugal. I mean, these guys are doing it with a pass rush working the ball.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Fades, draws, high, low. I think it kind of is what it is. Now, if you can find a former tight end or a safety that's now the kicker, yeah. But there's a big difference in Justin Reed
Starting point is 00:59:22 kicking the ball off as he did for the Chiefs. and booming it through the end zone, then like, would the Chiefs trust him in the second half of a tie game to kick a field goal? I would doubt it. Obviously, he's not better than Butchers kicking field goals, but most of the field goal kickers, they might miss, but what they do you feel pretty good about, right? The handful of the top 10, 12 guys in the league,
Starting point is 00:59:48 you would never replace that just because a guy, it's going to be an issue because those guys are going to be put in space, and they're screwed. But you could argue a lot of players, if they're in a one-on-one position where a kicker usually is, unless you're Ed Reed or Troy Paul Mollu, you're not going to make that tackle.
Starting point is 01:00:09 You're just at a huge disadvantage. Guys, running full speed, you're backpedaling. You could argue it doesn't matter. If guys get to your kicker, and I would say this in the old kickoff back when more people used to return and where we're at now, I just don't,
Starting point is 01:00:25 I just think you kind of acknowledge it. If you get there, you're kind of screwed. Because that guy doesn't exist. And what they do is just so hard. It's really hard to kick fuel goals. There's a ton of pressure. It's really closer like golf or hitting where you just... There's just time to think about it.
Starting point is 01:00:45 It's just hard. A huge fan of the pot. I think you're undervaluing Iyue's impact on the Niners' offense. Yes, of course CMC is the most. important skill player, but Kyle has never had more downfield attempts than he has with Purdy and Ayuk. I understand that your point is Ayuk is never going to have as many catches as Aminra, but his impact with the ones he does haul in are more valuable. Iyuk averages 17-9 a catch, meaning he would only have to catch 10 more balls to pass St. Brown's yardage for 2023. Maybe 100,000,
Starting point is 01:01:28 balls may be too many, but isn't entirely possible that he catches 85-90 as he continues to build on the work he's put in with Purdy? Not a huge advanced stats guy, but Purdy's averaged the most air yards per attempt this past season, meaning he is pushing the ball past the line more than any other quarterback. I believe Iyuk is a huge reason for this. Doesn't having Iyuk's medium to down-the-field ability to open things up for CMC in the box, his overall all yak, monster numbers on the team, and they're new over the middle slot weapon in Purcell? I think Purcell is going to be an outside-the-weapon, my man. I don't disagree with you that Ayuk's a really good player, and his value is really, really high.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Like, he's a high-end starting winning player. But does Kyle think that he can replace that with someone else? Because where it gets complicated is, like you said, his impact. being threatened down the field matters. But can I find someone else to do that for a quarter of the price? Where this becomes a complicated conversation is he's laughing at $26 million. He wants $30 million. Well, part of my offense, like, can I find someone in a draft in the second round that can ultimately do that?
Starting point is 01:02:51 Can I sign some random free agent for $10 million? that can bring me 80% of his value for 20% of the costs and then my team's better on defense. That's where this puzzle gets put together. In a perfect world, the Niners would get rid of, you know, obviously for the next five years, they would rather have Brandon Ayuk than Debo Samuel, moving forward. But it's a complicated situation because of the money.
Starting point is 01:03:20 I'm not anti-Brandan Ayuk. I just look at the way Kyle plays and goes, they have you have to understand too they have other question marks moving forward Trent Williams one of the best players in the league is 35 years old so
Starting point is 01:03:36 how are you going to get another tackle you're either going to trade multiple picks to get move up in a draft and try to get a guy in the top 20 maybe if a guy becomes available you trade a first round pick and you break them off with a huge contract you know you charvarius ward is he going to be on team forever so you got the buy a corner.
Starting point is 01:03:56 You just, your team becomes Purdy's about to get, we just saw what Trevor Lawrence got, Purdy's going to get that or not, if not more. It becomes a puzzle of putting money together. It's why the 49ers haven't just handed him
Starting point is 01:04:10 this contract. If I was a betting man, they probably end up paying him. But I do think these conversations have been long and hard. Because Iyuk, like you said, his value to the team,
Starting point is 01:04:22 you just watch them play. He's a very valid. valuable player. But is he an irreplaceable player? We're going to find out here in the next couple months. Because if the 49ers don't extend him and make him play on the contract, then he's, they view him as a replaceable player. If they end up giving him $30 million a year, then they don't view it that way.
Starting point is 01:04:47 I do think he's not, he's never going to be a top five wide receiver in the league. And paying premiums for guy, like I have no problem giving it. and Nick Bose's a historic deal. He's one of the best passers in the league. Fred Warner, one of the highest paid linebackers, best lineback in the league. When they broke off Kittle, he was one of the best tight ends in the league. It's really good. And like you said, he's good with yak. He's just a really good player. And again, I'm not saying St. Brown, like, if you could just have a draft, who would you rather have?
Starting point is 01:05:17 I like both players. But it's easier to justify when I throw one guy 120 passes. the large percentage of my targets goes through him, and not a large percentage of my targets go through this guy when I run the ball a lot. And like you said, you need receivers to move the defense around, but personnel groupings was the word I was looking for earlier. You know, summer brains a little foggy, drank a little too much last weekend.
Starting point is 01:05:44 But, yeah, I don't, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you're saying, but I find these things very complicated. when you're talking about paying premium amounts of money for guys like, can we do better? And listen, can you do better? There's no guarantee you can't. And then you find yourself where you have a hole at that position. But I understand the complicated nature. Like, Nick Vosa wasn't complicated. It was basically how much we're going to end up giving them.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Christian McCaffrey wanted a race. Got to do it. If Trent Williams goes, I need a race, got to do it. When Ayyuk says I want 30 plus million dollars a year, you don't just write that check right away. You have long, hard conversations. They literally just draft a wide receiver in the first round. Here's the other thing.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Like, Kittles been banged up a lot now. They're going to need a new tight end. So you just have a lot of needs, and you don't have unlimited draft picks, and when you're good, you're drafting at the end of the first round, so it's not like you're getting Julio Jones every year. I just think these conversations are very, very difficult.
Starting point is 01:06:47 This is a difficult conversation to have. I understand both sides. This isn't Justin Jefferson, where it's like, yeah, it is what it is. C.D. Lamb. A.J. Brown to the Eagles. This is like, God, this guy's really good, and we love the player, and he stands for everything we do.
Starting point is 01:07:02 And that's why, ultimately, probably why they end up eating it. But I would understand, like, hey, you want 30, we want 26, we'll give you 27 and a half, but we're not budging off that number. Like, not every negotiation is like, well, blank check, you sign it. Steph Curry, you tell me. Aaron Judge, tell me the number.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Otani. How much it's going to cost? That ain't this. That ain't this. And that's why I think it's so emotional because Iyuk sees all these other guys because of the position. And his team is not like kissing his feet, even though they like them. This is just, these are tough conversations because of the numbers we're talking about. They're really large.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Even with the cap going up. Is Brandon Ayukh worth it? It's a legitimate conversation. No matter what side of the. argument or where you stand. So I'm not, I'm not a proponent of trading them. But if you told me they wanted to play this year out, like, I don't think that's that crazy either.
Starting point is 01:08:05 I really don't. And I'd understand it from his side. Like, fuck you guys. Give me my money. Like, I get every, like, this is a very easy kind of situation to understand all the sides. I know my guy earlier thinks I'm a Lamar Jackson hater. Like, the Ravens, like, what, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:08:24 when they were going back and forth for Lamar. Like, you don't have a choice. You're going to pay this guy an ungodly amount of money, and that's what ultimately ended up happening. You can see the different scenarios here. That's where I stand on this. Like, if I had to bet, he's going to be on the Niners. If you had to bet if a new contract,
Starting point is 01:08:44 ultimately give him a new contract. Do I think, yeah, we don't agree on a number. We want you to play on the $15 million, $14.5, or whatever the number is. I can see that. trade harder to see because you'd be trading him for a draft pick who does not help you now. But I've been falling this league in sports long enough that you never say never. So I think at this point in time until a deal's done, you have to acknowledge everything's on the table.
Starting point is 01:09:10 And one guy who, you know, some internet fans get mad at is Mike Silver. Like, I don't know, Mike Silver's known the Shanahan's for 30 plus years. So when he reports on this stuff, he's kind of been right. There's a little bit of an impasse. There's a number the team thinks, there's a number he thinks. It's bridgeable. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
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