The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Hard Knocks recap, Who to blame in NY, Mailbag

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

John discusses the last from HBO's Hard Knocks where the Giants fail to re-sign Saquon and how they had no idea that he was going to the Eagles. Later, John answers your questions when he does a massive mailbag by diving more into the Giants, what Prime is doing in Colorado, thoughts on the College Football Playoffs, and much more. 11:18 - Hard Knocks recap 18:16 - Mailbag 24:49 - The Giants blame should fall on the Mara's 30:52 - Colorado and Deion are a big fugazi 35:59 - College Football Playoff expansion 41:06 - Where would LT get drafted in an All-Time draft 45:54 - Will SF be back in the SB 48:10 - Why is no one talking about Seattle 1:01:17 - The importance of good ownership Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I do want to hit on something because I talked about this a couple days ago that I had watched the hard knocks, the first two episodes, the third episode came out on Tuesday night, on the Giants. And we posted a social clip and a lot of people, basically, I mean, essentially what I said is, if Sequan Barclay goes to the Eagles and has success,

Joe Shane's going to get fired. And I would imagine if they have a bad year, Brian Dayball potentially gets fired as well. I don't root for people to get fired. I truly don't. I don't know these guys. Joe Shane seems like a really nice guy. I don't really care.

I mean, if he keeps his job for another 20 years and makes millions of dollars, great for him. Like, just by prediction, watching the show, I don't see how you could argue, how anyone could argue. A Giants fan, a non-Giants fan, if you just watch the whatever hour, 45 minutes of content on that series. And your takeaway is the owner was not comfortable with this. Now, the owner didn't meddle. He let Joe Shane do whatever he wanted. but he was adamant. Like, are we sure?

Are we sure? And then in the third episode when he said, I don't know if I could sleep at night with him going to the Eagles. Listen, I'm all for letting running backs walk. I'm all for not paying premiums for that position. But here's the thing. He's no longer a premium.

If you want to buy a car that's 50K and you go, that's a little overvalued. And then in a year, that same car with, you know, a little bit more miles. is $28,000. You could argue that's now a good buy. And I looked at the contracts last night after I watched,

I didn't actually watch the episode. I just watched the clips. I haven't had time yet. But I watched the main clip of Mara in the office with Joe and Brandon Brown, his other crew, talking, you know, basically shaking his head and walking out. And I looked, they gave two years ago, Daniel Jones, $92 million guaranteed.

His cap hit this year is $47 million. $47 million. Sequin Barclay got $26 million. The difference in those two numbers is $66 million. Sequin Barclay's cap hit this year for the Eagles is $3.8 million. So yeah, the Zeech contract, the Todd Gurley contract, those were bad deals. Those are no longer what these guys are signing. And Howie Roseman talked about it.

He's like, this is now a bargain deal for a player that is an impact guy. And listen, I've thought over the year, Sequan's a little overrated, because people talked about him being like the best running back in the league. But he's damn good. And if I get him for $26 million guaranteed, that's bargain shopping. I mean, we see guards going for $40, $50 guaranteed, making $18, $19, $20 million a year. This guy's making $12, $13 million. So it just looks, and I heard Colin talk about it, little Mickey Mouse.

It feels like this guy, nice guy. smart guy looks the part. It just doesn't really know what's going on. And the comment before John Mara said it was like, yeah, I don't think he's going to Philly. I think Chicago's driving up the price, not that worried about it. Your job is a general manager.

Nobody, I'll promise you this, has more information in these situations than Howie Roseman. Even separate from Sinai's Sekewan Barker. I'm just saying the market of his players, the market of other players, Why? Constantly has worked the phones for 20 plus years, knows everybody. Information is their gold. It is the asset that is most important to these guys because you need it to make decisions.

You need it to answer to these owners. And you watch a guy that just, I don't know if he doesn't have the connections. I don't know if he doesn't have the ability to work these situations. And I'm not crushing him for letting a player go. I'm crushing him. I'm not even crushing. I'm just saying that the owner is not comfortable with this. And ultimately, the owner is the guy that signs the checks.

The owner is the guy that's fired countless people post Tom Coughlin. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. So when you watch the Giants, little to no direction, this series, which has been cool because it's been very open in terms of the access we get, very unlike the other hard docs in recent years, I would not be comfortable if I was the guy. I really wouldn't.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get to the mailbag. I know Jim Harbaugh is your guy. But help some of us understand how you draft them in the top five of your coach draft and leave Sean Payton completely off. 73 total games, 49, 22, and 1, 5 and 3 in the playoffs. No Super Bowls. I don't care what he did in college.

I kind of do. I kind of do. Like, I don't think you can just compare Jim Harbaugh to Sean Payton. And listen. I'll wear this one. If I was doing it where Colin was right, well, Colin was wrong on this one, Sean Payton, I should have found a place for him on the list.

But that's fair. That's a, I feel worse about him than I do about Sifansky. And I like Sifansky as well. It's a hard list to make. If I redid the list today, there's a decent chance. But look at his last couple years in New Orleans. Look at last year with Russell Wilson. I also bought this list for the next five years.

And I'm not anti- Sean Payton at all. Like, I understand, like, if he was my coach, I wouldn't feel, I'd feel pretty good about it. But I don't think there's a general manager in the league today that would take Jim, that would take Sean Payton over, Jim Harbaugh. And I know for a fact, under no circumstance, would I. And I'm sorry, like what you do in college. College kind of became a lot like the NFL with NIL, with working your roster. And Jim Harbaugh, the last three years, is dominated.

And obviously, he just won the national championship with an NFL team. And what did he do at Stanford? took over a joke and by the end they were in the BCS and his team was loaded with NFL players. So like we can do the resumes. Obviously Sean Payton has a Super Bowl. But like shit, 2009, guess what? I was working at Fresno State and had a head of hair. Like, that's a long fucking time ago.

It really is. It's a long time ago. I watch Sean Payton then after that. Didn't Jim Harbaugh play Sean Payton in the playoffs? Didn't that happen? And didn't Jim beat him? A couple years later? for the 49ers,

I'm just trying to remember that one. But that happened with Alex Smith. Remember that one? In 2011? So they played head to head in a big game. He had Drew Brees. Harbaugh had Alex Smith. Guess who won the game?

Harbaugh. But again, I don't care. Like, I'm not a huge hold on to 15 years ago. Like, it doesn't matter to me. I mean, it does for, like, talking the legacy and stuff. I'm talking today. was Shane Stuyken even in the NFL in 2009? D'emico Ryan's was a star player.

So we have to live in the present in 2009 or 2015, like Belichick. Now Andy reads the top dog. Once upon a time, Michael Jordan was the best player. Then Toby Bryant was. Then LeBron, like things change. So listen, if you want to be critical of me for Sean Payton, I can live with that. I got thick skin.

But under no circumstances, would I put Sean Payton above Jim Harbaugh right now. And anyone listening, tell me this. If I told you the next three years, just picked the next three years, all rosters are even, are you taking Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton? I think most people,

I think the overwhelming majority, I'm not saying 100%. I think Harbaugh would be, I don't know, 8515 ratio. And this, we're talking Jim Harbaugh. He's one of the best coaches of my lifetime. think how many guys can go both and kick ass. Urban Meyer run out in less than a year.

Spurrier laughed at in the NFL. Chip Kelly. Kind of a joke now in both, but like couldn't do the jump. Got weeded out within a couple years. Harbaugh seamlessly does both. Hey, John, congrats on the engagement. Appreciate it. I graduated back in 2004.

What makes you the most nostalgic that time of that time and what do you miss the most about the 2000s? Go, pack, go. As I age, I'm sure like many, you find yourself getting nostalgic about certain things, maybe friends lost or family lost, but I would say I am much more nostalgic about the 90s than I am during the 2000s

would probably be my overall take. I find when it comes to sports, whether it's Michael Jordan, whether it's, you know, some of those 49er teams when it comes to sports, even Barry Bonds, but he went into the 2000s. But music, movies, I am much more nostalgic about my childhood than I am the college days. Listen, and I don't blame anyone for being this, but I am not that guy that like, wish I could go back to college. You mean living in a tiny room with no money? No, I would much rather be where I'm at today.

I have honestly never thought since I left college and I graduated college in 08 that I wish I could go back. I swear to God, it's never crossed my mind. And as the years have gone by, whatever, even if it was like 0.1% might have been there like, ah, I wouldn't mind a college day. It doesn't even exist anymore. So I enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun in high school. I guess my high school days.

were like 01, 02, 03. I would probably be more nostalgic about that. Like, listen, I had fun in college. It was a huge part of my life. But I don't miss it. I mean, I honestly never really have. I completely disagree with your take on Joe Shane. It's been tough to watch the Giants the past 10 years,

but most of the blame should fall on the Mars. For any sport, consistently, bad teams usually have one thing in common, meddling owners. I believe Joe wanted to follow that what Buffalo did. Get rid of bad contracts. Giants had some bad ones because of Dave Gettleman. Build a solid roster, then draft a quarterback with high upside. After Jones had the great game in Minnesota during the playoffs,

I believe the Mara family wanted Jones to stay and push for him to get paid. It's no secret that the Mara's view Jones as a young Eli. What is a first-year GM to do when the guy who signs your paycheck pushes you to sign a player and the coaches you and the coaches don't like? But after watching Hard Knocks, it looks like Shane isn't letting Mara tell him what to do. X letting Sequin walk so he can invest more money into the offensive line. My question is what is a GM supposed to do when the owner is pushing for contracts and moves that the GM disagrees with?

Well, here's the hard part about the Daniel Jones situation. If John Mara completely forced his hand, then that is not on Joe Shane or Dayball or any of those guys at all. But Joe Shane has talked about in this show, which, I mean, it's not like they're editing it because we're seeing kind of the raw uncut all these conversations. Like he still believes in Daniel Jones. So I do think it's fair to assume. I'm not disagreeing with you that the Mara's want to. a DJ and we're on board with paying him. But I think it's fair to say that the GM was too.

I really do. And watching John Mara with Sequin, he didn't meddle at all. He let him cook. So if we assume that Mara treated Sequin, who he said is their most popular player by far, he's like, I've been around a lot of good players in my life. Newsflash. He has. I mean, Eli beat fucking Tom Brady twice, right?

Pretty popular after those games. Ossie, talk, Strayhan, Odell Beckham. You know, clearly his family was around back in the day with Parcells. But to think that, I think we have to assume he kind of has let these guys do what they want to do. But if an owner, if John Mara had forced him to sign Seek Juan Barclay, Yeah, the GM has, what are you going to do? If you work for somebody and they tell you you have to do something, you either have to do it or you get fired.

It's the way the private sector works, right? You can't really go rogue when you ain't the boss. Especially, it's one thing too, like when the boss in some of these huge corporations, like corporate America, it's like, yeah, I'm going to go above the boss's head on this one, and I'm going to go right to the CEO because he's middle management. you can pull that off, especially if it works. But I think in this scenario, when that guy is the one signing the checks

and it's his team, and it goes for this in anything in the NFL or any business like that, hell, if you work for a deli and the owner doesn't want you to make a sandwich a certain way and you make the sandwich the wrong way, like he can fire you. So there's nothing you can do.

Really isn't. It's part of the business you're in because all these GMs answer to that guy. and ideally you hope they let you cook and John Mar did and as I said over and over we've seen running backs go like I'm not I don't think it's that crazy

but just listen to the way the owner talked he knows their team isn't very good to go to the rival Eagles who are good and watch Howie get the guy for 26 million dollars it'd be one thing it's like God fucking Howie gave him 43 million dollars guaranteed

that's pretty bold man 27 year old with some injuries $26 million guaranteed. Brandon and Iyuk laughed at that per year. Per year, Brandon and a guy catches 74 balls, laughs at that per season. Demand and trades, not showing up per year. That's how he gave him total guaranteed. So to me, like, you got to factor in all the variables.

Because the money is a huge, they gave Daniel Jones $92 million. And like you said, if the Mars 100% forced that, I don't blame the coach or the GM. I don't know, like most people, the inner workings of that. But I do feel like the front office was somewhat on board with keeping them, and they misplayed that whole thing. Because even if the Mars were dead set on it, here's what they should have done.

And it was obvious at the time. They should have franchised Daniel Jones and paid Sake Juan Barclay. And I guess they tried. Saquan Barclay would have been an easy extension, even at like $38 million, because that would already factor it in last year. And now you would have been looking at probably in the mid-20s, like what Howie gave, and let Daniel Jones hit the open market and go, who are we bidding against? Who in what world is giving him $92 million?

If Dak Prescott hit the open market, someone would pay him. That's not debatable. Cousins has hit the open market twice and got a lot of money. Who was paying Daniel Jones? Someone would have been willing to sign him. But 90? Would someone been willing to sign them for 50 guaranteed? I don't know, man.

I have a hard time seeing that. Got a Fugazi Friday for you. I'll keep it short, but I think Colorado and Prime are a giant Fugazi. It was a fun story, but it's gotten weird fast. I just saw Antoine Hill, the number three quarterback in the 25 class, uncommitted and is going to Memphis. what is your take? Can't speak to recruiting rankings.

Not a not super. I'm a little more dialed in in the summer to the PGA tour than I am to Rivals.com. But I can't say this. I saw this because the way I did this is I screenshot it all these to make it a little easier. And I just looked before I hopped on their schedule. Obviously, Colorado's going to the Big 12, which no longer has Oklahoma and Texas, which in theory should make it a lot easier. but Oklahoma State's good.

Kansas is now good. Kansas State is always feisty. Arizona's turned that program around, even with a new coach. Their opening game is North Dakota State, which I don't pretend to know North Dakota State's roster, but I do understand and do follow football really closely. They are like the Alabama or Georgia or LSU. of D1A. They don't win the championship every year,

but they win it a lot, and they have a ton of NFL players, and they are really, really good. So I think it is no lock, and I mean no lock that they win that game. I think big picture for Deon, what's going to be interesting is, listen, I don't think they're going to be very good.

I talked to a couple people around college football over the last, like, three or four months. I think a lot of people are skeptical that they can get to a ball game. Very skeptical they can get to a bowl game. Now, the Pac-12 was really good last year, and they started getting worked. I don't think the Big 12 is as good, but all these teams are better than this. I think a lot of people think their line sucks.

I think I saw Travis Hunter. I don't know if it's on Twitch or something, even made fun of his own offensive line. Travis Hunter is special player. Shador is really, really talented. What happens to Dion, right? Like, if I'm a high school football coach and my kid is going to be, Let's just say some elite college prospect. And I have him sophomore, junior, and senior year.

And we kick ass and take names. Am I a great coach, or did I just have this unbelievable opportunity with my kid? Now, if I keep winning after he's long gone, then I'm a badass. Right. Think about the Hurleys. That guy's dad won with his kids and won after his kids. He was an excellent high school coach. What does Dion look like after Shadua?

I don't know. Like, is he landing these sweet quarterbacks? Only time will tell. I mean, their best player is a guy that he's known forever considers his son and was able to flip from Florida State. And when I see all these people, and listen, I've always liked Dion. I root for Dion. Some of the stuff with him and his kids talking shit to the kids on Twitter was,

I don't mess with that. But I appreciate Dion going pads in practice. Dion 8. I think people think he's like this kind of super progressive dude because he's on social media. He's pretty old school. And I appreciate that about him. But one, his team's not good enough. And two, what will look like after he loses two guys, one's literally a son and the other guy is essentially a son who have a chance to be, you know, Travis is going to be a top 10 pick.

And Chador, he could either be a top five pick or he could, who knows, but he's going to get drafted relatively high, even if things go average. But this notion that like, Deon's not going to be at Colorado long. So you're telling me, let's say Dion, let's say this year wins five games. So they go five and seven. It doesn't make a bowl game. So he's been a Colorado two years,

never won more, never gone 500. He's just going to go to the SEC. He's just some ACC school. He knows he's going to hire him. That's not usually the way it works. Now, maybe because he's so famous, but I have a hard time seeing that. I do think for him to get a legit job, you know, let's just say, an Auburn, you know, if Norville would have gone to Alabama.

Like, you do need a hot, these programs want guys to win. And I just, Dion 1 at the HBCU, but last year, like, a long way to go. And I think the way he's played it with the portal, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he's a giant Fugazi quite yet. But I don't think this year is going to be that good. I really don't. I think the max is five wins, and I don't think it's inconceivable.

He has one of those four or five wins seasons again. He's clearly not going to win like one game, but if he wins eight, remarkable coaching job and the SEC school should hire because his team's not nearly as good as all these other programs he's about to be playing. For a top-level program like Georgia, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, do you view the new playoff format as an advantage or a disadvantage for their chances to win the Natty? I could go either way, but it seems like the 12-team playoffs for these teams are almost guaranteed to make the bracket. Then once they are in, talent coaching takes over.

As an example, last year Georgia missed the 14th playoffs but could have easily won it all. I think it's kind of a double-edged sword. Right? You're right about Georgia. They easily could have won the Natty. It is definitely easier to be in the mix now. Because ever since the 14th playoff, if you've got a couple losses by the end of October, you're in major trouble.

And most times, like, there hasn't been that many two lost teams. So getting into the Final Four is really difficult. Look at the NCAA tournament. It's not that hard to make the NCAA tournament. It is very, very challenging to make the Final Four. making the final four is a massive accomplishment, right? because winning four games in the tournament is hard. But let's face it, 64, really 68 teams,

it's not very difficult to get in the dance. And now, like you said, the teams you listed, I would say the top 7, 8 programs, it's a major disappointment if they ain't dancing. And that'd be Georgia, that'd be Ohio State, that would have been Michigan with Jim Harbaugh, we'll have to see how this guy is as a full-time head coach. now with Texas the way they're recruiting

LSU with Brian Kelly I think USC Oregon are going to be under that umbrella Florida State Clemson like anything less than a playoff berth is a disaster but it's football man and this is what makes the sport so much like the NCAA tournament

you have one bad game you have one bad half where your quarterback throws a pick six and fumbles and all of a sudden you're like holy shit it's 28 to 7 late in the third quarter. Like, we're the three seed, they're the nine seed, we're in trouble. And that's the thing with the, what makes this sport so unique. It's one game.

It's 60 minutes. And anything can happen. So is college 60 minutes? I'm pretty sure. I'm blanked, some remote. But, yeah, I think it's going to be difficult to win the national championship. I think this, if you got to the final four before, you had a pretty good idea. Like, Georgia's got a pretty good chance. Michigan's got a pretty good chance.

Now, you get a buy if you're one of those top seeds. So there's a big difference of getting the buy and having to play that first weekend. But I have to go back and look. You get home games now, which is an advantage before the final four. So I would say it's more challenging. Anytime in football, the more games you have to play, the harder it is. I mean, I think that's pretty simple. So you have an upcoming fantasy football draft?

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or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

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everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick.

Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Love your podcast. Listen to it while I run. If all 32 teams were empty and you had one season to compete for a Super Bowl and you could pick any player in NFL history in their prime,

who's the first pick? Who's the first five or ten picks? How many picks would there be before a non-quarterback like LT has taken? Depends what rules we're playing. If we're playing in 70s, 80s, you could take LT in the top 10. You could take a Reggie White, you know, whoever, me and Joe Green,

the great players on defense of all time. Hell, you could take Walter Payton or Barry Sanders or something. If we're playing today's rules, the modern game, I think it's, you know, Brady, Peyton, Farr, Marino, Elway. This is in order, right? Montana, Steve Young, Rogers, I might already said him, Mahomes, Josh Allen, I think quarterbacks are flying. I think if you go like 1987 rules, I'd take L-T, I think he'd be in the mix.

You know, Aaron Donald, I think these guys would get drafted really, really high. But that's a huge caveat to the whole thing. You could argue just if you know what you're doing as a team builder and just pick seven and Dan Marino's on the board or Lway, how do you not pick them? I understand the NFL continues to have more games overseas each year to grow the company and the game. What do you think about the NFL playing a few neutral site games here in the U.S. and potential future expansion cities like San Antonio, St. Louis, in Oklahoma City.

I don't think Oklahoma City is ever getting an NFL team. Maybe potentially getting one game a year in Hawaii to bring the NFL back to the islands. Keep crushing it. I think the international games, in theory, have a big picture business element to it. Right? So whether you agree or disagree, they feel there's a value of playing in Germany,

of playing at Wembley, of I don't quite see the value, but playing in Brazil. I understand Mexico City. It's one of the biggest cities in the world. They used to play in Japan, I think preseason games. If you're going to play in America and I'm an owner of a team, there is no way on God's Green Earth.

I'm not playing at my football stadium. It's not happening. International, it's out of my control. I'm a league partner. Why do I care about playing a game in Oklahoma City if I'm the Giants or I'm the Rams or the Niners? It's a non-starter. So the league office has juice, but ultimately the owners are in charge. And just put yourself in their shoes would never do it.

You could argue do something like if you're Cleveland, the Browns, or the Lions, why wouldn't you play a game, this would be pretty cool, like at the shoe? Or if you're the Lions at the University of Michigan. I could see doing something like that. If you're New Orleans play a night game at LSU on Sunday night, right? If you're one of the Florida teams at Florida State or Florida, like I could, I doubt that would ever happen,

but like that's less crazy. The Rams, remember they played a game at the Rose Bowl against the Chiefs, which was pretty cool. That's conceivable, but going outside of your market to these random cities that aren't getting a team, they're just not.

And listen, I don't feel bad for St. Louis. They stole the Rams. The Rams were L.A.'s team. You stole them, and you got a jacked, right? If you end up marrying someone who had cheated on their significant other, and then 10 years later, they cheat on you, like, it's kind of on you. I have little remorse. I have more understanding when it comes to the Raider situation.

Oakland's team, even though they left to L.A., they came back to Oakland, and then they went to Vegas. I get their animosity toward the league and the whole situation. I don't, zero, zero feelings towards St. Louis. Sorry. Give it to me straight. Niners back in the Super Bowl this season. Well, they're clearly one of the best teams in the league. The IU situation is kind of their only problem.

I guess Ricky Piersall, I haven't seen the update, but was somehow injured. not training, which is never ideal. But overall, let's look at their competition. Who is the, I would say the Eagles and the Lions have the best rosters beside the Niners in the NFC. And both teams should be playoff teams, and the Niners have played them both the last couple years. They played the Lions in the NFC championship.

They played the Eagles two years ago. When Purdy got hurt, they played the Eagles last year in the regular season, developing a little rivalry there. Cowboys feels like it's going to take a step back and the Niners fucking owned Dallas. I think the Packers are team to keep an eye on. They easily

could have beat the Niners in the playoffs. So I would say in the Rams while the Niners have mainly owned them, that Rams team the way they were playing, that feels kind of like the crew that could give the Niners a run for their money. And this is back to the comment about the college football playoffs.

football man like Kentucky or Virginia or Purdue like sometimes just getting knocked off in the first round last year I thought the Cowboys were pretty good then the Packers beat the crap out of them I almost put at the time that would have been an unhealthy amount of money when the playoffs started on the Packers to win the Super Bowl

I'm like I think they're the best team in the league I think this is when Rogers gets number two and then Tom Brady beat him in the NFC championship game Now, you could argue, did he get too conservative in that game? Did LaFleur screw up when he kicked the field goal? Obviously, we can argue until we're blue in the face, but that type stuff, historically, that's what happens in football. That's how it works. So I would say there are no lock to be in the Super Bowl, but I know anything less than that's going to be a disappointment.

And two, that they have no business not winning, I don't know, 12 plus games. And if you win 12 plus games, you put yourself in position to have the number one seed, which is a huge advantage. Why do major talk show shows never talk about my Seahawks? Is it because we're tucked in the Northwest or what? And what do you think about the playoff chances with the new staff? Well, I think you're not quite as sexy as you once were. Let's remember you guys got talked about a lot when Russell was on the team. It was a major conversation point for talk shows, for podcasts.

Russell Wilson was discussed a lot why he was a superstar and when you have a superstar quarterback and your team's in the playoffs every year newsflash you get talked about but Gino Smith I can't open shows with Gino Smith now Mike McDonald

your new coach elite defensive coordinator I mean he was a badass Ryan Grubb your new offensive coordinator has been incredible in college never coached the league so I think there's some question marks You have a talented team.

I don't think it's inconceivable. You're in the wildcard mix. I don't think I'm going to pick you, but it's not because I don't respect it. You have one of the best GMs in the league. Your fan base is awesome. But I think star quarterbacks move the needle. It's just really, it's kind of that simple.

And when you had one, you got discussed a lot. Question for the golf mailbag. I'll answer right here. Doesn't the PGA's non-compete rule actually empower live? to steal golfers. It seems to me if the PGA would allow live golfers to compete on the tour, they would take away the exclusivity

of Liv to many of the top players. Sure, we might not see Bryson 25 times a year on the tour, but we might see him 10 to 12. Instead, now it's just the majors. Live would be even more relevant than it already is. What are your thoughts? Dan in Lakeville, Minnesota. Well, eventually this whole thing's going to come together,

but I think the huge mistake, the PJ Tour made and Jay Monaghan, the commissioner, if this was the NFL or this was basketball and he had made a decision like he made to ban them, I think he would have been removed. But because it's golf and it's just a different world, he somehow still survived. And I think that was a catastrophic decision.

It really was. And like you said, it led to a lot of these guys going, but now it's too late. I mean, they're going to, whether they merge next year in the next two years, it's already kind of over. But yeah, that was a, I would say any leader in any business, any person that's a decision maker in any role in a company, you get tasked with some decisions that are bigger than others. And when you screw up on little decisions, whatever, like if I pick a topic that doesn't really work or a segment that a lot of you guys don't like, whatever, I do five of these a week. but if I made a decision to you know put this behind a paywall

and it backfired like it could derail the show right and that would be a huge decision because it's the lifeblood of my business you people listening and I think that he made a decision on the lifeblood of his business which is the players and the star power of six seven guys that the defected and it back fired tremendously. I've been a diehard fan since the 70s. Super Bowl, I think it's going to be pretty embarrassing, but I'm not quite up with my Roman numerals. I guess it could be four was my first

memory. Is the V5? Maybe that's nine, either four or nine. I listen or watch NFL content unless it's outright poor. I used to watch shows like get up and first take every morning. I'm tired, but I can barely watch get up and I'm completely done with first take. Why is 25% of get up and 50% of first take focused on a team

that hasn't made the conference finals I think he means championship, but in 30 plus years? While the team that has been to six straight conference championships and has the most exciting player in the history barely gets any coverage, not to mention the other 30 teams.

32. Maybe he's getting mixed in basketball and football here, but I think he's talking about the Cowboys. I get that Dallas has the largest fan base, but seriously, do the suits not see this? What am I missing? This business, because of the technology, is not that complicated. So when you do a segment on TV, on podcasts, on YouTube, the metrics you get, it's the power of all these streaming services. when they run a series, it's when they run life broadcasts, the information that they could get is stuff. When I worked in radio, the way they equated terrestrial radio, the way they just were able to figure out the ratings were by like 15 to 20 meters when I worked in the Bay Area in the San Francisco market.

I don't know how many people are in the general market, but it's a top five, six market in America. And it's based on, maybe it's a little more than that. Maybe it's like 30 or 35. Just meters in a car. And when they listen to your station, you get credit. It was one of the biggest Fugazis in the history of the world. I remember when I got out of it, I'm like, they're fucked. Because this is an all-time Fugazi that is complete BS.

And when I started my first podcast, I remember talking to some of these advertisers. I'm like, they are ripping you off. Like, this is a joke. Now, part of it is to be associated, you know, if a radio station has the Yankees or the San Francisco Giants or the 49ers, I get it. But their rating, they have no clue. And I mean no clue who's listening.

Well, all this stuff now, we know exactly who's listening for every second, every minute, every day. And where you're listening? The city, I mean, the zip code. Probably if we wanted to dive deep, the neighborhood. And they know when they talk cowboys, it not only works, it really works. As you know, I don't talk that much. I don't do this, but I'm not doing the show like they are.

If you're on television, like an extra 100,000 people when it comes to advertising is pretty important. I mean, it's important in this show. It's important to any show. But I think it's just based on the metrics. I don't think it's that complicated. The reason they talk to Lakers, the reason they talk to Yankees, the reason they talk to Cowboys is not because all these people give a fuck that much. They truly don't. It's because you have to for business.

And ultimately you're in the business of getting the most people to watch. And I've always taken kind of the approach. And maybe this is why I guess my career is a little slower bleed than trying to just talk Cowboys every day is I want to like I'm just doing what I like to do. Now also I'm not, but I'm not a little engine that could guy. I'm not going to talk about things that bore me and sometimes little stuff kind of boars me maybe some of you get mad and talk about some of your markets but I'm a big market star guy

but I'm with you. The Cowboys like I'm not opening up every day talking about McCarthy and Dak, but I get why people do. Like I understand why the Lakers get talked about all the time. They have the biggest fan base by far. And when they're on TV to most people watch, that's why they talked about the Warriors like the Lakers over the last 10 years because there have only been two teams in the NBA that truly rate

old school-wise. Steph Curry and LeBron James and the Lakers. You throw in the Celtics, it ain't the same. Rating's down. And they got superstars. So this formula is pretty basic. Most people that watch, that's what you should do, especially on television.

It's why Colin's television show or his podcast, based on the herd, sounds a lot different than when me and him talk. It's just a different medium and the way they equate things more important to do it a certain way. A cowboy fan from South Africa. Always wanted to go there. I think I'm going to go there one time for sure, actually.

Actually, my grandparents, well before I was born, had gone on a safari. I think in like the 70s and one of the people in their safari party got a little too close to a body of water. and that was all she wrote because the crocodile got that person I don't know if it was a guy or girl and it was an older person and they went bye-bye into that crocodile's belly

Jerry may have his critics but the Cowboys had a net profit of 550 mil last year for those of you non-business majors net profit means the money after expenses are paid pretty good

the closest team was million, they were 300 million more than the closest team. They're too big to say FM picks, like the Rams, and potentially suck for years. All I'm trying to say is they're making way more money now, sucking, than they did hosting Lombardis. From a business standpoint, why risk it? Well, they don't suck.

They don't suck at all. Three straight years of 12 wins in a row. How many teams would have signed up for that? 80% of the league? Now, this is a playoff, they've sucked in the playoffs, but they have not sucked. They've been really good. They've won the division two years, two out of three years. So they've been good.

And if you're good in the regular season, meaning you're making the playoffs, that's important. Because, like you said, for your bottom line. Back to the last question. The cowboys are the biggest thing in America in terms of sports. They're bigger than the Yankees. They're bigger in the Lakers. because the NFL is the biggest sport in America

by a pretty wide margin and they are the biggest brand they just have the most fans I mean they just do listen the Packers and the Steelers are massive brands and they're in smaller markets why? Because they were good

50 years ago so when you develop generations of fans like that's pretty important like why are the 49ers such a big brand for the NFL well they start the first time they were really really good was like 1981. It's

2004. So they had 20 years of being good. In the last 15 years, they've been good a lot. So that's generation after generation. That's important. But I do think Jerry's trying. And ultimately, his downfall has just been his quarterback sucked in the playoffs.

Period. Point blank end of story. As an Eagles fan, I obviously would probably rate Jalen Hertz higher than the average fan. Probably around 5 or 6. Behind Mahomes, Alan Jackson, and Burrow. why do you think other people, maybe such as yourself, would rank him as one of the best quarterbacks,

wouldn't rank him as one of the best quarterbacks in the league? In the Super Bowl, he played the second best of all the quarterbacks behind Nick Foles, and played better than Mahomes in it. He just beat Josh Allen in a crazy overtime game where Jalen absolutely carried the Eagles to that victory, and was an MVP favorite for the majority of the past two seasons. Well, he wasn't the MVP favorite last year, but I hear what you're saying. I think part of it is he was really good two years ago.

He lost his offensive coordinator, and you watched him last year, and he didn't feel like the same guy. Obviously, he turned the ball over a bunch toward the end of the season. It wasn't obviously all his fault. The defense, the secondary was, look like me and you out there.

I think most people consider him a top 10 quarterback, and at the end of the day, depending on how you've played lately, if you're a top 10 guys, the difference of 9 and 6. but if you gave me, like, let's just do some, would the Rams trade him straight up for Jalen Hertz? No. Now, the Eagles wouldn't do that deal either because Jalen's way older.

49ers, would Kyle trade him for Rock Purdy? No, Eagles would say no as well. The Lions. You could argue Jalen Hertz is a better player in Jared Goff, but I don't think the Lions do that deal. So, like, when you start talking about those other guys, like, those other guys are in a different category. Because when you start talking those trades, like, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think it's a big year for jailer.

It is. Good player. High character guy. Works his ass off. There have been some stories out there. He's not vocal enough. But I think it's a big year for him. I really do. Because part of being a great player is doing it over and over and over. Say what you want about cousins and DAC.

They have been doing it for a while consistently. Flawed. Never going to be a top five guy. But like every year you kind of know what you're getting. Okay, last question. You've discussed that, now the important of ownership in the league. And I agree. I'm a Bronco fan. And I learned that the Walton Penner ownership is by far the richest in the NFL. $77 billion. You know, it's funny as I

whenever I go in the sauna, I try to listen to a book on tape, but it's not really on tape because it's on an iPhone. And I bought Made in America, the Sam Walton story. It is crazy. Like the Walmart I know and how big and dominant is, his story back in the 50s and 60s, probably more of the 60s and 70s, of building up that company. If you like business and you like stories from scratch,

it's a fascinating listen. He has a net worth of three times that of the number two family. The hunts are worth 25. Greg Penner, the team CEO and husband, of Anne Walton, Rob's daughter, has already spent 500 million of their own money on facility upgrades. He was walking on the field in 22 with one game left and thought the turf looked rough,

so he spent 400K out of his own pocket that the grass replaced for the last home game when we've been eliminated from the playoffs since week 5. 22 was a rough year for you guys. My question is this. how much, if at all, does the extreme wealth matter? More specifically, how can this capital be deployed? Knowing that his wealth is largely compromised of highly liquid Walmart stock

to make the team better on the field. Well, it's weird, right? Because the salary cap, everyone has to follow the same rules. The NFL is a hard cap. So if that number is 200, if it's 240, it's 250, this isn't the NBA, you can't go above it and pay a lot. luxury tax because if you could, they would benefit a lot. So you're hard capped.

Where it does work in the next couple of years when they kind of siphon off that Russell contract on their books, if we're both offering a player in free agency, let's say, $50 million. And Sam Walton, or not Sam Walton, but the Walton-Penner group goes, we'll give you 50 million guarantees, five-year deal for $100 million. I'm just picking even numbers. So five years, $100 million, $50 guaranteed. But that guaranteed, I'm going to give it to you all an assigning bonus next week. I will wire $50 million into your account where the other team was like, your bonus was going to be $22 million. So I will double the bonus because I got more cash on hand.

That's really where it benefits. Ultimately, facilities in the NFL, no one cares. Because I'm getting paid. to play. So if you got the best facilities in the league and some other team offers me five more million dollars a year, I don't care. It does not matter. You think Travis Kelsey or Patrick Mahomes give a shit about the stools or the chairs in the locker room? This ain't college. Like facilities are a little overrated. Though I give teams credit for investing in it. Why would you not? Is your business? These are your players. But I think it's more the structure of the contracts and the cash on hand paying guys is where you can really separate and the signing bonuses and coaches.

They wanted Sean Payton. They gave him $90 million. They want other coaches. I saw Jim Leonard is now prominent defensive coordinator or defensive staff member. He probably ain't making $200 grand. Jim's like, I don't know if I really want to coach. we'll give you a three-year contract at $1.5 million a year. Hell, we'll pay you like a defensive coordinator.

Three years, $3 million a year. Here's a $9 million contract. So to me, it's coaches and contracts with players, specifically free agents being able to land them and keep guys. Right. But ultimately, the cap and the draft capital, everyone's on the same playing field. That's what makes the NFL cool.

It's not like the difference with the Yankees and the Oakland A's, right? or Tampa Bay Race. It's everyone has the same amount of money in terms of to, to abide by with the players because of the contract media deals from the league. But the coaching staff is huge or training staff or some of the, you know, kind of the doctors associated with your team. That type stuff is really big.

Appreciate everyone reaching out. Like I said, at John Middilcoff, Instagram, fire into those DMs. Always open. Take your questions whenever. We're going to really get into it moving forward, and the season can't wait. Have a great weekend. Last show of the week. Peace.

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