The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Is Nick Saban RETURNING to football, the HYPE around Arch Manning, Barstool TAKES ON Fox

Episode Date: July 20, 2025

John opens the pod diving into the conversation surrounding Nick Saban and his potential return to football. John talks about if he could see Saban returning to college football or if the NFL would be more attractive to him at this point in his life. Next, John discussed the hype that is surrounding Arch Manning and how Arch has been doing a good job trying to get everyone to calm down. Later, John talks about the changes at Fox and how it is smart of them to be interested in bringing on the Barstool Sports team to be part of their College Football coverage, and how Grant Horvat has turned down an invitation to play a PGA Tour tournament because they won't allow his youtube crew to film him during the event. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:07 - Nick Saban returning to football? 13:20 - Arch Manning hype 21:07 - Barstool going to Fox? 27:59 - Grant Horvat says no to PGA 42284 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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what about the Dallas Cowboys? I have some thoughts. The Arch Manning Hype Train. Obviously, it keeps growing, it feels like, and he hasn't played two games. But I do think it directly benefits some guys in his quarterback orbit, guys in the conference,

who are obviously at this point in time more accomplished. And then a couple of media stories I wanted to touch on. Fox Sports 1 blows everybody out. And now it looks like they're going to hire Barstool. Portnoy, Big Cat. And there's another story that a little golf related, but Grant Horvatt, a YouTube star,

turned down the PGA tour. Refused to accept their invite this week in an opposite field event in Truckee, California at Old Greenwood. He said, won't let me film, I will not play in your event. So some thoughts on Barstool and Fox Sports 1 and Grant Horvatt. We'll mix it up a little bit as well as a mailbag.

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pros. I don't think there's any arguing. There's a stress and intensity that comes with the profession of coaching. I've said for a while now football, and you can include college now with the money everyone's getting paid, is Wall Street on grass. Long hours, crazy hours, crazy money, crazy stress, ton of coffee, lot of adderol, not much sleep, but listen, it is a drug that a lot of people, once they get into the industry, become addicted to.

And like in any industry, there is a percentage of people, and in football, that's players and coaches in Wall Street, that's traders, that's executives, that's hedge funds that are better than others. And obviously, Nick Saban will go down as, in my opinion, the greatest college coach I've ever seen. And you could put them on the short list in terms of basketball football. football and men's and women's sports as one of, if not the greatest college coach of all time. Right up there with John Wooden, the coach K's, the Gino Euremas, you name it.

He's as good as it gets. So when you're that good, until the day you die, people discuss once you've retired about you coming back. Now, we had a three and out call with everyone behind the scenes and we were BSing. if you win a couple championships in college athletics, right, if you went two Super Bowls in the NFL, if you win multiple World Series, if you win two NBA championships, you're freaking made man, you're a legend, right?

I would say in college football, for example, Dabo, Kirby, guys that have won multiple championships, you basically are in scholarship at your school. You immediately become, up until now, Nick's gone, but highest paid guy. You basically run the school. You answer to nobody. You've earned that.

One championship, you get a lot of juice, but hey, we've seen people win a championship, and people, you win two? It's like you're untouchable. Nick Sabin has seven, has seven national championships. That might as well be the equivalent of like 20. Think about the way Jay Wright is treated in terms of like,

the Knicks should be Oliver Jay Wright, Duke basketball should be all over Jay Wright. North Carolina should fire. whoever hired Jay Wright. And it's like, yeah, they probably should. And he's like, no, I'm good. But he's treated like John Wooden or Coach K. That's the power of the two.

Obviously, Coach K won more, and John Wooden won a ton. I do think when you look at Nick Sabin and when he got out, obviously the changing landscape impacted him. And there are more question marks still than answers, right? In the NFL, we can bitch and moan and people can have conversations about contracts, guaranteed money, you know, what franchise drafts you, franchiser GM you're dealing with, who's coaching you. Obviously, there are a lot of variables, but the rules are very black and white, right? If you're drafted in this slot, this is what it paid,

pays. If you play this position and are this good, give or take, this is what you make. There's a hard salary cap. In college football, I have no clue what's going on. I was told that it's going to go to revenue sharing. It's going to go to a salary cap. No one has any clue. There's now going to be regulations on NIL. Bullshit. I feel like it's still completely the Wild, Wild West. and Nick Saban, who didn't dominate that era, who was already old. Like if Nick Saban was 50, he just would have adapted. But he was older, and he said, I'm out. And let's face it, the elephant in the room, too, was Alabama's AD last year put out a tweet,

essentially begging for money. Alabama is not equipped, like the University of Texas, with unlimited funds. So you are at a disadvantage in this modern day game, and he realized it, and he got out. But now Greg McElroy says that he's coming back. I watch Lane Kiffin with Paul Feinbaum that says football is worse off with Nick not coaching. When you watch him talk, he's still really sharp. Obviously, his football knowledge is elite, and we are better off with Nick Saban out of the chair at ESPN and coaching football. I did a little digging, text a couple people that would have a pretty good idea.

and for my recon, I think it's, I'm taking an educated guess that Nick Sabin is in the, in the ballpark of five, six million dollars is what ESPN pays him to work college game day and obviously do some hits, which clearly takes a lot more, a lot less mental and physical toll on him than coaching a football program, right? So it's a much easier life, though it's for way less money. face it, way less juice. I mean, when you're the head coach at the most important program, you are typically the number one story in the sport.

And now he just gives his opinions on the stories. Well, if he does say something important, he then becomes a story, but he no longer is under the microscope. He kind of has a part of holding the microscope and talking about what's going on. I saw a coward today that said, what about the cowboys? Brian Schottenheimer, one and done and then go after Jerry Jones. I have a hard time seeing Nick Saban at 74 years old, a guy who's accumulated an ungodly amount of money over the last 15 years,

answering to Jerry Jones, who is a decade older than him and clearly coming down the home stretch and pretty addicted to power. And if you look at the Cowboys hiring practices, besides Bill Parcells, whatever, 20 years ago, in Jerry's 70s and 80s, he has done the opposite of hiring a guy like Nick Saban, right? Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, even Mike McCarthy was kind of down and out.

Paid him $35 million. Over five years. Nick Saban would have laughed at that if someone put that in front of his face at Alabama six years ago, let alone now. Let's face it, Brian Shodden. While compared to rest of society makes a lot of money, relative to coaches, I think it's fair to guess Brian Schottenheimer's a bottom five paid coach in the NFL in terms of head coaches. And rightfully so, he has no head coaching experience and no one else was offering him head coaching job.

So Jerry actually got a cheap version of, I think, what he hopes, Mike McCarthy. Nick Saban's not going to the Cowboys. Nick Saban also isn't coming back to college football. unless even if he was interested, it would have to be the best overall job, which I think in this modern day landscape, you'd argue would be the University of Texas, where his guy, Steve Sarkesian,

just got a massive contract because when Nick retired, he said, no, I'm good. So what happened? He got a massive extension. And as multiple people have said within the college football world, that these guys with 40, 50, 60 million dollar buyouts, that's just the cost of paying a guy

to leave. That's not going to happen as much anymore. Why? Because a lot of that money is now being put toward and forwarded to, and rightfully so, the players. So I don't envision Nick Saban coming back. I feel Nick Saban's going to ride off into the sunset, do college game day for the next several years, enjoy himself, still get to be around the program. But relax while he still gets to make some money. But the notion that Nick Saban's going to come back. A lot of people have also disputed that, one being A.J. McCarran, I saw on the interweb the day. I actually don't think there's a fit out there even if he was interested. Arch Manning. The hype on this guy's second to none, which is cool. Like, part of the business I'm in.

Like, I like hype. And sometimes it's kind of fake. And other times it's like, is Trevor Lawrence the best prospect in the last 20 years? How good of a prospect is Caleb Williams? What is Cam Ward? Number one overall pick? Why is no one talking about him? and then you get Arch, who has spoken about like he's his uncle. Not Eli, but Peyton, and he's played two games against nobody's. And that's not his fault. That's the nature of having that last name. That's the nature of playing at Texas.

It's the nature of being a huge recruit. That's the nature of in this day and age of sitting in college, which is unheard of. Most guys that have to play one year as a backup immediately transfer, let alone to. but you know who it actually benefits in the SEC? You know, we have had years where the SEC has been loaded in terms of defenses, a ton of NFL guys at all these programs. But the quarterback play has been like,

eh, not great. I'd argue this year coming into the season, it's freaking loaded. DJ Lagway, who has a chance to resurrect the University of Florida. Lenora Sellers, who down the stretch of that season last year at South Carolina,

looked freaking awesome. Obviously, Nussmeyer, who at one point in time last year was like, hey, if this guy comes out, he might be a top 20 pick returns to school. You have John Mateer, who I'll be honest, a couple years ago, never heard of. Most of you hadn't either. Then he started last year at Washington State, and it was awesome. And then Oklahoma hired, you know, paid him in the transfer portal and hired their offensive coordinator and paid them both a lot of money.

And now I was in the car the other day listening to, serious XM college and someone who's around the program was like, I'm not comparing this guy to Baker. That's an unfair amount of hype to put on this guy. But in terms of the juice and the excitement he's given this locker room, they love this guy. So I'm like, damn. And we had on his former coach who's now at Wake Forest who said they desperately tried to keep him back when he was the head coach. And then there's Marcel Reed who's like this dynamic dual threat guy at Texas A&M, which is going to have a loaded roster. that all these guys are legitimate NFL prospects.

And the difference of these guys in Arch, they've all played. Now, like Mateer transferred in to Oklahoma, but he started last year at Washington State. DJ Lagway played last year as a true freshman. Garrett Nussmeyer, obviously once Jaden Leaves, started all year. And I do think this class and this group, some of these guys, a couple of these,

names are going to be top 10 picks. There is a chance, especially if Arch doesn't even come out, we might end this season go that DJ Lagway, John Mateer, had a better year than Arch Manning. But coming into the year, typically where it's kind of spread out, we're talking about this guy, we're talking about that guy, Arch is taking all the oxygen. He's the only guy any of us are talking about. It's like he just is the story. And I understand why the last name, but even he's like,

listen, the hype's a little out of control. I've played two games. These other guys, I mean, some of these guys are multi-year starters. And I'm just fascinated to watch the way it shapes out because I think a couple of these guys are going to have really good seasons. I think the SEC quarterback play this year is going to be fantastic. I haven't even talked about Georgia's quarterback or Alabama's quarterback. Obviously, some unknowns there. I mean, I would say these guys are better prospects. But I do think Arch is really doing these guys a favor.

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You know, forever, if you were on, if you had a television show or a radio show on a big channel, right? Where I grew up, if you had a radio show on KNBR, if you had a sports radio show on ESPN or Fox, if you had a television show on one of the major networks, a sitcom or whatever, it didn't guarantee success. Because still, like, a lot of people have gone through ESPN over the years. like guys like Colin and Dan Patrick were just better than 99% of them, right? And they would have succeeded anywhere they went. So that is never going to change. But there was a built-in platform before, especially like when I was a kid.

If you got a job at a major newspaper, you had a huge advantage. Why? Because it was distributed to millions of people who got to read you. And obviously there were better columnists than others. but I bet if we look back, there were some people that were kind of average that had long lucrative careers because they got involved with the right paper. Well, those days are done. Just because I put you on a network, if you aren't talented, you not only will get exposed, nobody will watch.

No one will care. I value, or I look at myself as a consumer first, right? So like the way I consume is, if you're good, I just kind of find out. about you and I'll just consume you. I watch a lot of different people that would be quote unquote considered YouTubers or podcasters, right? Whether it's finance, whether it's in golf, whether it's in other sports. And some of them, like if you talk about Colin or like a Brian Winhorse work for a major network. And some of them, I was just watching no laying up's British Open preview work for themselves. And you can cut through the noise and make a lot of money

as an independent nowadays, which was extremely difficult 20, 30, 40 years ago. Obviously, YouTube and the podcast world slash social media has helped change the game. But if someone becomes big now, let's use Dave Portnoy or Big Cat with Barstool, who are now rumored to go to Fox Sports, who just fired half their shows. Just because I put a show on Fox Sports, it does not guarantee that anyone's going to watch. Why? Because I'm a good example. I watch content. If you're not good, I'm not going to give you my time. I don't just have two options. I have 500. I can watch a million different things. I can listen to a million different things. That used to not be the case. So the power of an individual, like Dave, who created a brand off literally just eating pizza and a lot of people watch men and women. Or pardon my take that gets millions of people to listen every single episode. episode, it's not because, oh, I just heard part of my take because I was on the main network. There is no main network.

You have to actively seek them out. That's why I really appreciate and value everyone that listens or watches my show. You have to actively come to me. You're not just going to find me of like, I just saw Biddlekopf on CBS. That's not going to happen. So when I see that Fox Sports blew out these shows. shows, which I'm not trying to be a dick because it's hard and hell, if you would have put me in one of those shows, probably would have failed too, just didn't get anyone to watch. Where when you hire these guys, you give yourself an opportunity to bring an audience that watches everything these guys do.

When you put Colin somewhere, people gravitate toward two. It's why you can say whatever you want about Stephen A. He doesn't know what's going on in the draft. He screws things up about the NFL. those things are true. He has proven like when you put them on different platforms people go there. We see it with Shannon Sharp. What happened when Shannon left Fox and skipped? Show fell off a cliff.

What did Shannon prove whenever he has a show? A lot of people watch. That's really, really important. That's really, really valuable. So when I see that Fox is going to hire Barstool, I go, makes a lot of sense. I would do the same thing if I was sitting in their shoes. Because paying

these former athletes some of the numbers that I heard, millions of dollars to do these shows where 60, 70,000 people are watching is just moronic business. And pulling the plug to go into business with Barstool, which honestly set the tone. Like the business I'm in now exists largely because of them. I mean, let's face it, they set the tone in this industry, them and maybe Bill Simmons from a podcast perspective. I remember when Collins started the volume. One of his first calls and he talked about this openly. I remember him telling me this.

He called Erica, who was Dave Portnoy, CEO. Because that was the business we were going to try to emulate. Because they had figured out a way to monetize this world. And I just think that when I saw this story, not only was I not shocked, my first reaction was like, yeah, it's probably going to work. you will get a huge bump in quote unquote ratings you will get people to pay attention and i was on a text thread today with some friends like how are they going to not swear it's like i don't know i swear all the time i went on call and show and guess what i i didn't swear for a couple hours it's like you can figure it out it's not that difficult and honestly maybe they can license it outs where they allow

him to do that like they do pat maccify pat maccify is a good example People like Pat McAfee. If you get on the internet, everyone seems to hate him. It's like everyone I meet in the real world, all have good things to say. All enjoy a show. All are entertained by it. And I just think sometimes you got to be careful about what's said on social media and what happens in real life, especially on Twitter. And that's where I think kind of the media world got lost down this rabbit hole for a long time.

there are some benefits to the speed in which I guess news breaks, but in terms of trying to gauge interests or what matters in terms of putting on a show, which I think for a long time would shock people, played a huge, huge, or had a very influential pull, was we'll look back as one of the dumbest business moves in the history of American media. But my first take would be, I bet it works and I bet they have success doing this

and I bet it turns out to be a win-win. The other story that went pretty viral was Grant Horvatt, who, for those of you that don't know who that is, it's hard for me to kite give like a comp for him. He's basically this internet golfer who is just a sensation.

He's an independent, individual, who does videos where he plays with either other pros. He partners with Phil Mickelson, and he also plays with these two guys called the Brian Bros, and they play courses that the PGA plays, and they try to break the cut, and millions of people watch. And he has countless sponsors who support him slash he's a co-ownerant.

I have heard some of the numbers in which it costs who get involved with his show. Let's just say, I think it's fair to say, he easily has an eight-figure operation going right now. And when I say eight-figure, that's, I'm not saying like $90 million, but he is making eight figures. And it's very, very lucrative, successful, and I would say impactful in the world he's in. He was offered a spot, which happens in golf.

They're called a sponsor invite in this golf tournament this week. Well, on the PGA tour, when there's a major, typically they have an opposite field event, which is basically an event for a bunch of random guys trying to make it a couple big names, but for the most part, is a completely irrelevant event. Now, it's not irrelevant for the people playing in the event, because if you win it, it changes your career and get you into majors, but on the totality of it, no one watches, no one's really paying attention.

So they offered Grant a spot. And Grant, probably a couple months ago, filmed a YouTube with Scotty Sheen. Sheffler. He asked Scottie Sheffler. He's like, I've been invited. I don't think I'm going to take it. And Scotty pleaded with him, he said, you should take it. You're not taking someone else's spot. They need you in that event. But Grant does not need the PGA tour. He is probably making more money doing what he does play on YouTube than potentially every single person in this tournament this weekend called the Barracuda beside Max Home. And let's first. face it, if you play professional golf, you are playing for money. That is literally the end result

of what you are doing. You are playing golf tournaments, trying to win as much money possible. Grant Horvatt plays golf on the internet to earn money. Right? I mean, that's what he does. And he's successful at it. So ultimately, he denied the PJ Tories that, I'm not interested because they denied him allowing to shoot YouTube videos while he play, which was never going to happen. The PJ Tour was never going to allow him to shoot YouTube videos during the tournament. Just like Grand Harvatt was never going to play in this tournament because he knew they were never going to give in to those demands because they're very strict laws, right? Just like Jamar Chase can't bring a YouTube or a video crew during a game.

against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday night football. That's not allowed. It can't happen in any of these sports. It's very black and white. Even though this tournament needs Grant more than he needs them. And I've seen a lot of people freak out,

even people I respect, going, I can't believe a golf influencer would turn down the PGA tour. Well, I agree that would be crazy if two things were true. One, Grant wanted to be

on the PGA tour, which he clearly doesn't. And two, it was an opportunity for him to make money. He would actually probably lose money if he wasted a week. Well, let's say he was shooting other stuff. It would be a net negative for him. I think people underestimate the amount of money, especially a lot of these legacy media people that are in this bubble of like what's actually going on. Hell, if I didn't do what I did and still worked in radio,

I would have no clue how much commerce and business is actually done in the podcast YouTube world. But I've been in it for 10 years. Those are a lot of people that I talk to and ask questions about. So I have a, I would say, a better understanding than I've seen some of these reactions. Like Dave Portnoy and Barstool, they don't need Fox's money, right? They don't need to do this. This isn't something they need. They actually have leverage because clearly I would imagine Fox wants them.

So what happens when you got the leverage? You get more money. Now I'm not saying it's strictly a money grab. It's also cool. It's also a way to get different eyeballs. It's a way to just potentially expand your brand and grow your business. But let's not get it twisted. Dave, Big Cat, Barstool does not need to be on Fox Sports 1.

but if the business deal makes sense and we can be comfortable with what we're doing, it works. Like ultimately, Pat McAfee didn't need ESPN. At any moment, if he wanted to leave, he would be fine. Does he benefit from it? Sure. He's on ESPN 2. You see him at gyms. You see him at airports.

He gets benefits of, you know, doing the All-Star game and doing different shit. But at the end of the day, him and his operation does not need them. No different here. Grand Horvatt does not need the PGA tour. Now, I'd argue if the Masters or the U.S. Open or something invited him, it would be insane from a business standpoint for him not to accept the invite. But the fucking barracuda at Old Greenwood in Truckee, California that is going to have no one paying attention, I don't know because the British Open is going on and it's in the middle of summer. is not that crazy for him to turn down. I also think it's a genius PR move by him to go, hey,

I'm not playing in this because they won't let me film. It actually is a story that shouldn't be a story because they were never going to let him film. He was never going to play in the event. But I will give him credit. Him and his team and whoever's, they're pretty good at this. And they created a massive story out of nothing

of something that was never going to happen. Like the Barstool FS1 story, like clearly there's a lot of substance there. This thing, if I was a betting man, probably happens. I even saw Colin tweet something out. But the Horvatt thing and the reaction by a lot of the legacy journalists, it's like, guys, are you that out of the loop what Horvatt has going on and how successful his operation is?

I would guess like whatever his, the Grant Horvatt YouTube Empire makes in Grant's pocket who plays a huge role in it, where would he be valued on the PGA tour? I bet he makes top 75 guy, top 50 guy. Like, financially, he ain't desperate. And I think that always shocks people. When someone's not desperate and they go, yeah, I'm not going to do it.

I'm good. Because forever, especially in the media world and the sports world, you just always say, yeah, right? Yes. Yes. And obviously saying yes sometimes, even if there's not, it's hard to quantify, is this a good idea or bad idea? Can be a good tactic to approach life with. But every once in a while I was like, yeah, this is a complete waste of my time. I don't want to do this. And I don't want to, you know, ruin an experience for all these other guys, which are going to be resentful. It'd just be a weird operation.

because everyone would be looking at me funny. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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Okay, let's do a little Biddlekopf mailbag. At John Middilkoff. Is the Instagram fire in those DMs. get your questions answered here on the show. Really, really easy to do. Just my name. At John Milikoff, DM's wide open. We will start with Pat.

Not Pat Burrell, but just a guy named Pat. Big fan of your pops, including the ones with Colin. Loved hearing you guys give Campbell some love on the last episode as a really good coach who also benefits from a great front office. By this rationale, though, doesn't Siriani deserve some flowers to? No, he's a little annoying, but while he also has a great GM, he's been to two Super Bowls, one, one, and has been able to keep the team together in a noisy market, and the players have pretty much stood by him repeatedly.

Not to mention he's shown the ability to adjust mid-season based on the players he has. I'm not ignorant to his annoying qualities, just kind of think at some point we have to acknowledge he's done a pretty good job. I don't think it's disputable. You win the Super Bowl like he just did. You rally the troops. as he just did. I think one thing, you know, people in the business,

it's like Vic Fangio comes. Like, that's Howie Roseman's been trying to hire Vic Fangio for a long time. Like, is that a Nick Siriani thing? You know, he gets a lot of credit for Shane Steichen existed on that staff because of him. And same thing with Jonathan Gannon. Like, those were his two initial hires. The hires since, you know, I think the organization,

good and bad, right? and that's where the Eagles are kind of unique, where it's like, you know, I would say Dan Campbell has the autonomy hiring the staff, whereas Nick Siriani just has less juice in terms of the day-to-day operations of the Eagles. But when it comes to the players, motivating them, that there is no disputing, he deserves a lot of credit.

You win the Super Bowl. Now, I don't give a shit what the circumstances were. Obviously, their team was. was loaded, but you beat the chiefs like that. You have the team ready. Like, what you are 100% spot on, it's by far the most intense market in terms of the stories, in terms of the way the team's covered locally and nationally. But I would just say if you pulled every, let's remove the lions and the Eagles, and we just

got 30 GMs, and they have the choice to hire one of two coaches. Campbell or Siriani. So I'm not including Howie, and I'm not including Brad Holmes or the Lions. I think the numbers for Dan Campbell of the other 30 GMs would be fair or not. I'm taking a strong educated guess here. I think would be extremely strong in the majority of Dan Campbell. I'm not saying it's 30 to zero, but I think the number would be in the 20s. Question for the pod.

Lamar was recently talking about how he had to learn to be a vocal leader. It got me thinking, who is the best leader in the NFL at the quarterback position? And how much does it affect the game? Example, if Tim Tebow was one of the best leaders in football history and knew how to fire up his guys up, here's the link to Lamar telling Kevin Hart this. Well, to be a good leader, you have to be a good player, right? no different to me to be a good boss in any corporation. Like, I've worked for people that I thought were really good, had interesting tactics,

but if I thought they knew what they were doing and talented and gave me an opportunity to be my best self or to have a successful operation, I just bought into, right? Whether they had, you know, I've been around football coaches, Pat Hill, Andy Reed, natural leadership qualities. but like you just knew being around Howie who was new on the job you're like this guy's fucking smart I don't always agree with everything he was doing it was intense environment but it's like no one disputed like Howie's capabilities

right and then I've worked for people in radio I'm like is this guy the biggest idiot I've ever been around in my entire life and you just can't take him seriously so you can't be a good leader if you're not a good player right just like you can't be a good coach if people don't think you know what's going on It's just impossible.

So most of the good leaders, and I've known someone who worked with the Ravens, two years when McDonald, that team that lost to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game, who said Lamar was like guys would run through a wall for him in Harbaugh, right? But Lamar at that point in time, it was like one of the best players in the league. Now, I think Lamar, Mahomes, Josh, Joe Burrow, I, I, I haven't watched the quarterback show yet. I just had a buddy in the league text me. He's like, you got to watch it.

It's fascinating to watch Burrow. Clearly, these guys really like them. So they're the best player on the team, one of the best players in the league, and the players really like them. So then, I think Lamar has talked about this. It's on you to get more comfortable with, like, being loud. And being loud isn't just like speaking loud. It's being assertive, telling people what to do and when to do it. And Dak Prescott, Jared Gough,

Kirk Cousins, the more you play, the more touchdowns you throw, it's easier to get on guys. And you have to back it up by like Patrick Mahal, all these guys, their work ethic of what time they show up, how late they are. I remember, what's his last name? Brandon, former offensive linemen for the Saints, who when he retired, cried because of how inspired he was every week watching Drew Breeze, how much time he put in. So it's easy like Peyton Manning can just He get him and Brady Their personalities can be pretty aggressive But it's easy for them to be aggressive with the guy When they're a dominant player

Right if Daniel Jones started hooting and hollering And pointing at people to do shit And be like, what are you doing? Look at Baker's a good example I think his natural personality Is very outgoing very just very verbal Well he's excelled because he's played well in Tampa and he can use that personality.

When he wasn't playing that well in Cleveland, it got weird. So I think all the top guys from the top, really real true top group, that top four, but then the group of the goffs, you know, Jaylin is a good example. Like when your work ethic and you're, you know, part of being a quarterback, I've heard was Albert Breer or someone talked about this. One thing Brady really, really took seriously. was like he knew that he could never impress anyone with his speed or his athleticism. But like if his teammates knew that like he was tough as shit,

so every time he got hit, he'd pop up and as quickly as possible to pop up. That resonated with people. What did Ben Johnson get on Caleb Williams for? When you get hit, your body language matters. Get up and get up fast. Because that is what people are looking at you for. And I think being a quarterback, and it's so hard. hard because it's physically demanding, it's mentally demanding, obviously you've got to produce,

the coaches are on you, the media is on you, the fans are all watching you. I think all these guys are really, really impressive. Burrow, Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes. I've heard more direct stories of Lamar and of Mahomes, just knowing people in those organizations. I have, I've just seen from the outside on Josh. I mean, I know McDermott. I've never really talked to him about it. Obviously, Josh is impressive, too. But I think, you know, listen, all of our personalities are different.

Some people talk a lot. Some people are quiet. But there are certain things that you can prove of like, God, this guy works really hard. You know, especially in football. God, this guy's really tough. I've never talked to a football player that whether they like you or not personally, if you're tough and you're their teammate, they're going to respect you. That was a good question.

It's become more apparent to me recently that there seems to be two schools of thought when it comes to giving out contracts. When a player has a season worthy of money contract extension, of more money or contract extension, the GM gets out in front of it and gives an extension, i.e. Howie. The Niners, the Cowboys, School of Thought is, which seems to push players to hold out for a contract. Can you talk about the pros and cons of each contract in strategy and why, a GM may prefer A or B.

It seems to me that players who hold out often have statistical regression or injury seasons. Well, the Cowboys in the Niners, I would put in different categories. Because the guy running the Niners money, Parag, has been doing it for 20 years. And in the Harbaugh era of Patrick Willis, Navarle Bowman, Joe Staley, Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, all those type players, They could always get guys to sign contract early. They would pay you a lot of money relative to the money at the time, but they would get out in front of it like how he did. And then the Niders have gone through this stretch now

where their players would not sign those contracts. Like Nick Bosa or Trent Williams is not signing a meet-in-a-middle contract. I'm breaking the bank as the highest-paid player in this sport right now. And unless you give me that money, I'm going to be pissed off. The Cowboys just play it till the end, always. Like, now I have a long history. Quarterback.

You know, I mean, the 49ers did it with Brock Purdy, Fred Warner. Like, they will get out in front if you're willing to play ball. But, you know, like the dance floor, it takes two to tango here. So if I offer you a contract, you got to, what if Brock Purdy, when the Niners had offered him that contract, like, no, I want $20 million more guaranteed. $180? I want $200. I want the same as Trevor Lawrence. It's like, well, we're trying to offer McCona.

He's saying no. What do we do? Now, if we play it out longer, does he end up getting 220? If he starts holding out because we start freaking out. So, you know, Howie has benefited that his guys have been willing to sign contracts. You know, I mean, that's, there's a huge element there. But even this year, like, they took care of Sequin. You know, Jalen, they, I'd say that was at the time a pretty big win for Jalen.

So it's just It's very dependent on who you're dealing with Whether the Cowboys, Howie Roseman, whether the Niners had been dealing with Nick Bosa, he was going to cost a lot of money. Now, one thing maybe Howie would have done with Bosa is sign him after year three. The Niners are pretty adamant about signing you after year four

because they like a little more data. Listen, I don't know if there's a right or wrong way to do it. All these contracts in the NFL, besides like quarterbacks, But even quarterbacks, we've seen some be disasters. There's a large amount of risk in signing O-Lyman, D-Lyman, all these guys to these massive contracts because of the injury risk. We're just going to see, there's going to be over the next several years, guys on 100 plus million dollar guarantee contracts. There's going to be a guy who's a devastating injury. Never be the same.

Do you know who's a good example? Christian Wilkins, the defensive lineman, the Raider signed from Miami, who's a stud. I mean, a really good player. The Raiders gave him like $85 million guaranteed. I had heard this, not from SpyTech, but I just rumor out there. And then I had seen a story recently, he's probably never going to be the same. He's still messed up at the end of OTAs. He might never really be able to play football again.

And if he does, people think that his careers, he'll never be remotely close to the same player. And I'm not shaming them for the contract. I would have signed him too if I had the money. But sometimes you have a devastating injury and you're just never the same player. And that typically, I guess in baseball you can have Tommy John, but for the most part guys respond to that. In basketball, it's pretty rare. I mean, Paul George shattered his leg in two in the stanchion and came back and made All-Star games. Do you think Nadomac and Sue is a first ballot Hall of Famer or even Hall of Fame worthy?

I think he asked this question because the big feds, Bella. Just Domakin I mean, if someone saw how I just spelled his name, I don't think I could ever respond. Sue, we'll just type in Sue. There's Nadomacan Sue. My first response is he's not a Hall of Famer.

He's a five-time all-pro. Okay, maybe he's better than I thought. Defensive rookie of the year. Five-time pro bowler. Yeah, maybe he is a fringe Pro Bowl or Hall of Famer. Maybe I underestimated him. Who do you win? He won the Super Bowl with Tampa.

Obviously, he's never a huge sack guy, but that wasn't his game. I would say he's on the fringe. Good question. First ballot, no chance. Maybe I undersold him. There has been a lot of hype around the Chargers and the Broncos. Assuming the Chiefs win the AFC West, which is a fair assumption given I think they've won the division seven years in a row.

What would you consider as the biggest disappointment in the division, the Broncos or the Chargers finishing third? Well, to me, if one of those two finished third and they miss the playoffs, that is pretty bad because the expectation for both those two teams is to make the playoffs again. But to me, if you finish third, let's say the Chiefs win 13 games, the Chargers win 11 and the Broncos win 10. Like, if you're in the playoffs, I don't think you probably are disappointed that you screwed around and lost a couple games. Maybe you could have won, but I don't know if that's that big a deal.

Now, if you finish third in your 8 and 9 and you're not in the playoffs, so to me it's you can finish third, but think about last year, the Packers finished third. It was somewhat disappointing, but they were in the playoffs, so not the end of the world. I think we got a similar question. I did a little digging. I wanted to get your take on the fact that the Browns and the Texans have both have two second-round picks. And those teams are the ones that set the precedent of the guaranteed second-round pick contracts. How do you think that impacts the dynamics of the other second rounders of those teams who haven't signed yet? Junkins for the Browns.

And I might be screwing this name up, though I know the Texans like this guy. Ersi for the Texans, the offensive lineman. I did a little digging because I got this question yesterday. Because I followed this story, but I haven't, like, done that much digging on the story. From what I was told by people in the league that one guy that got, I think one of the Texans guy, that Iowa Statewide receiver, I think picked 34. His contract was essentially like 96% guaranteed. So it wasn't a situation where, let's just pick a number.

$1,000. Well, 500 of those $1,000 are guaranteed. Every $100 I get after that also guaranteed would be a big deal, right? So if I ended up getting $800 out of the thousand guaranteed, I got an extra 30%. That's a huge coup for me. But if 96% of the contracts guaranteed, so 9,600 of the 1,000, getting the extra $40, seems crazier as a headline, not that crazy in reality. I see Maria in real estate all the time, and I've been guilty of this too. She actually talked me out of when we bought this house is so many times in real estate, you end up arguing with the other and there's a pride aspect and ego aspect over a tiny amount of money. It's one thing if the house is on sale for a million and you're offering 700 grand and there's a huge gap.

But how often that she sees this dude's offering, You know, the house is on the market for 950. This guy, they kind of finally come to 930. It's like, you guys are pretty close, $20,000. And even with interest rates high, like the difference of a purchase price of 20 grand, 10 grand, 5 grand, has a tiny, tiny impact. Now, hundreds of thousands of dollars clearly make a big deal. But we're not talking about that here. We are talking about 95, 96, 98% of the contract is guaranteed.

So Casario just, I'll give you 100. Now, is that different with the later pick? You know, the Juckins thing, obviously he's in trouble now. That's a whole other complicated issue. To me, if the contract is 97% guaranteed, as someone told me, if we draft a guy at pick 42, like, we believe that guy's going to be a pretty freaking good player. Because if we didn't, guess what? We would have drafted someone else.

Now, that's where the owner gets involved. Well, of course, you guys believed in them. That's why you picked them. But like, we see a lot of these guys fail. So every single penny that we can avoid paying a worst case scenario, you got, there's a reason we pay for car insurance, home insurance. You don't want your house to burn down. You don't want to get in a car wreck.

But sometimes a dude teabones you. When Maria was in college, your parents' house burned down. Freak deal. Electrical thing. Burned down. Luckily, they had home insurance. Rebuilt the house. But if you don't, you're kind of fucked, you know?

and it's no different here. This is a little different because you're just talking maybe a hundred grand grand scheme of things. If you save money on situations that go bad, that's a pretty smart way to do business. So from what I've heard is some teams are like, hey, we're paying them 97. I don't want to argue. From an agent perspective, can you imagine what a win it is? Because if you're an agent, you're not going to have seven top 15 players.

So if you have three guys going on the first round, That's pretty good. And if you have a couple second rounders, if I tell you you got five guys in the top two rounds, that's really good. Well, the first round contracts, unless you're Shamar Stewart, take care of themselves. The second round contracts, if I can go into Alabama, LSU, Oregon, and yeah, this guy might not be a top 10 pick, but he might go 40th, he might go 50th, he might go 38th. And I can go, you know what I did last year? I got my guy draft in the second round where you're projected to go

a fully guaranteed contract. So you want to go with that guy who got his contract, who got 95, I'll get you every single penny guaranteed. If I was his dad, if I was the guy's assistant, you know, position coach or high school coach, I'd be like,

we should probably go with that guy. It would be a good business move. So there are a lot of different variables there. We've got a lot going on with this contract situation. So the 49ers guy, the Texas defensive line, didn't show up today.

It's going to be fascinating how many second rounders over the course of the next week, I was texting with a buddy on the chiefs, he says, I think their rookies report Monday, like they drive up to camp on Sunday. So it's when I'm recording this on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, like all these rookies all over the league are going to be showing up. How many of the second rounders that have not signed no show? My guess is all of them, unless they get a contract done. AJ Green, Bengals, Cards, wide receiver.

I feel like he doesn't get the respect he deserves. He made two all-pros, seven straight-up Pro Bowls in the 2010s, before the Pro Bowl allowed seventh alternate. He has over 700 catches, 70 touchdowns, almost 11,000 yards in 12 seasons, and two of those, he missed many games. During the 2010 decade, he's a top five in catches, yard TDs. If he played in a bigger market, he would have gotten more love. I agree.

We get a lot of Hall of Fame questions. I'm not great with that. I'm really not. My standards are really high. I think AJ Brown, I saw him play. I saw him play when I worked in Philly. I saw him play when I was around the Raiders. He dominated.

I mean, a guy, freak show. I was at the draft in which he got drafted in 2000, would have been April of 11, him and Julio. Great draft. I mean, it was Cam Newton. Von Miller, Tyrone Smith, JJ Watt, Julio, A.J. Green, Alden Smith, Lottoa Town.

So, I'm with you. I think if you put them on the Packers or the Cowboys or something, for sure. I think he's talked about like a Locke Hall of Fame. I'm not great with that. I mean, I'm pretty good with like, is Patrick Mahomes Hall of Famer? Travis Kelsey.

Some of the fringe guys I always lean, no. Like, the Domic can see. I'm like, no chance. And then I look, I'm like, ah. Yeah, he'll be in the mix. My son is nine and we listen to the pod together. I like your son a lot. He's got a bright future.

I was wondering if you could look over the bill's schedule and give us a breakdown of how you see the season going. Michael thinks we still need help in the secondary. God, your kid's dialed in. I will say this about the bills. What they proved last year, which I thought was insane when people were picking other teams to win the bills to miss the playoffs, the bills to come back to earth. I'm like, when you got Josh Allen, it's the equivalent of having like an NBA star, you are a lock playoff team.

And what they have proven, and unlike the Chiefs, because their division's way shittier, excuse my language, they're young Michael, you are a lock to win the division. I think the bills are, at this point in time, to me, just circle them in, division champs, 12 to 14 wins. Maybe if they get injury ravaged, 11. but I don't even think there's question marks when it comes to like what they're going to do. Okay, let's fire through. Ravens.

Okay, let's coin flip. Jets, dolphins, saints. Patriots, Falcons, Panthers, I mean, you got a lot of wins on your schedule, man. You get the chiefs at home. You beat them a lot in the regular season. Dolphins owned them. Tampa.

Even if that's a sneaky hard game. At the Texans. Josh has built. built for a dome, at the Steelers, Bengals, Patriots, Browns, Eagles, Jets. Schedule gets a little more difficult at the end, but I'd say 12 wins, 12 and 5. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a...

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

your group perform. We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me.

And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect.

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just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, a couple more questions here.

Congrats on the wedding, child expectancy, got married last September at 26, and we're thinking of headed into Lake Tahoe for a one-year anniversary. Do it and enjoy it. Question for the pod. As an Eagles fan, do you think there's a legitimate stigma against the fan base based on previous reputation of an overall hyper-passionate following?

I've been a fan since I was seven, and I was raised in Southern California. Long story. I've met and no more Eagle fans here than fans of the local teams, Rams and Chargers. Knowing that you've seen firsthand previously working for the organization, I wanted to know your thoughts on the general consensus around the league and if there's truly a genuine disdain for the Eagles fan base.

I think overall, you could go to most stadiums and find fucking people that you would, I mean, not in a million years want to sit next to you for three hours. And these videos go viral of people fighting at all these stadiums, just being complete more. I don't know why you would want to attend an NFL game, especially if you are the fan of that team, spend a decent amount of money,

pay for a bunch of beers while you're in there, which are not cheap, and then get into a fight. I think you are a complete idiot. And we see these videos every single year all the time. I don't think it's random. They typically are in the upper bowl, right? You don't usually see these fights happening in like the VIP section or in the lower bowl, right?

It's like, I'm coming here to enjoy the game. Obviously, Philly is an intense place to play. There is going to be a harsher environment with the people paying premiums, sitting closer to the field than if you went to a charger game, I would imagine, or a game at Levi Stadium with the 49ers. But I think overall, the experience place to place is not that much different. I know my personal experience with Philly, it's like I thought it was pretty normal. And I've been to a lot of NFL games at the Oakland Coliseum.

I've been to games at Candlestick. It's like, yeah, I mean, if you piss off the wrong guy and he's wasted, You might get into a fight. I think that would happen at most places. But I think the overall percentage of people are there to root on their team and enjoy themselves. If you're a season ticket holder, if you're going to a game, you're doing it like as an escape, as something to do, something of enjoyment. Right. I mean, when I see people fighting at games or concerts, I'm like, I can't relate to that.

And listen, I understand. people get a little too sauced up but I've always thought the Philly stuff has taken on a life of its own I mean the amount of people

it's one thing if a player goes listen I had a bad experience there it's like yeah you can have a bad experience at most away places you can get people to say stupid stuff this is sports like I mean most stuff isn't that serious

but when I see like the media people or people on Twitter or people on social media if you've never been to a game there you're just regurgitating what other people have said because they threw a snowball at Santa maybe Santa got him bad presence they booed Michael Irvin when it looked like he broke his neck

it's like yeah, I had a bad moment they didn't realize but in my time going to games at the link I thought it was pretty enjoyable last question Atlanta native we've been trashed for a while now for the first time Terry has been overly aggressive addressing our defensive holes lists all these players

and some really good talent in the draft Pierce etc what are your realistic thoughts on us winning 10-11 games this year I think it's on the table we have the 30s of schedule Pennix I see compared to Warren Moon Bejohn is a superstar

Kyle Pitt should have a good year he finally might have a real quarterback defense should be average, which is a lot better than worse in the league. A lot of analysts are saying us going 7, 10, 8, 9. So I think we fly under the radar. I just have a hard time betting on the culture of your squad. I really, I love Michael Penix. The biggest bet I've ever made in my entire life on a football game

was Michael Pennix against Texas in the final four. And he lit him up like a Christmas tree. It was awesome. I've been rooting for Michael Penix for years. Stud. I think he'll be solid. But I just, it's hard for me to trust the operation. It really is.

I think the Pierce thing, he's a guy, like a major wildcard. He was off a ton of teams boards. So it'd be one thing if like the Belichick Patriots, or like when the Eagles drafted Jalen Carter, they had this infrastructure. Not just from a coaching standpoint, but they're players. So when I got Jalen Carter, you had to answer to Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham.

What are you going to do, screw around, act like an idiot? Of course not. You see Jason Kelsey and Lane Johnson and Jordan Milata every single day at practice. Lana Dickerson. It's like, this is how we do it. Who's that guy for the Falcons? So I'm not disputing you got some talent on the team. 100%.

You do have some good players. You had a good offensive line. Like you said, Bijon. excellent talent. Even Drake London's pretty solid. I'm not the Kyle Pitts thing. I'm sorry, I'm out. That's just one of those things.

Like, I'm just out. I don't think he's like some scrub, but obviously if you did a redraft, he's not going in the first round probably. Defensively, though, I don't know. I just, I'm going to bet against it until I'm wrong. I bet against you guys last year, and I was proven right.

Now, if Pennix is dramatically better than cousins, then maybe you'll be okay. But it's gonna be pretty... The other thing is like, the bucks are just good. Like, Baker's... Their infrastructure, their...

All these guys have won. It's the one thing they really have. Like, all their guys know how to win. It's a problem for the fact that you guys just do not know how to win. And sometimes it's like, okay, we bring in Jim Harbaal or Sean Peyton. It's like, okay. Like, Rahim Morris... as a head coach, I just have no faith in their operation.

I'm going to pick them to win seven, eight games, kind of like last year. Might look a little different, but I think we end up with the same result. I'm going to, I screwed up, I picked the Saints last year. I'm going to take the bucks this year, but I'm going to bet against you guys. And I think you guys will be one of the teams that I envision firing everybody at the end of the season, Which sucks because Michael Panic is going to go through a pretty chaotic NFL life. And everyone, all the Shanahan guys love Rahim Morris.

Seems like a very likable guy. So this is, he just might be one of those guys maybe meant to be a two. Which happens, right? Fangio is a good example. I saw last year, it was like, what is going on here? It might not even be all his fault. Maybe it's the GM. Who built just a weird team?

Maybe. Terry's just not very good. I would say maybe he's the bigger problem than the coach. But I'm bending against the Falcons for sure. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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