The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Jalen is a star, Travis speaks, Super Bowl Rating

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

John opens the podcast by giving Jalen Hurts his well deserved praise. Despite having doubts about Jalen's talent earlier in the season, he has made many people rethink their views on him as a player. Next, John dives into Travis Kelce opening up on his podcast about what happened in the Super Bowl, and if KC should consider a move away from Kelce. Later, John dives into the Super Bowl ratings. Later, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 4:07 - Given Jalen his credit 15:17 - Trvis Kelce speaks 23:04 - Super Bowl ratings 29:06 - Louisiana Hot Sauce 34:07 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And then we'll see you early next week. I do want to start with with Jalen Hertz. And I think big picture when it comes to sports, most players, I've been following sports like as a passion, as a lifestyle, the majority of my intellectual capacity going toward it for 30 plus years. And the overwhelming majority of players in any sport are polarizing. there is a small few that hit a point where it's like what do you even say about them right like a tiger woods a roger federer or a michael jordan it's like clearly the best no flaws dominate

like what are you going to argue there's nothing to argue they're by far the best player that if you could pick them on your fantasy team on your actual team if you could bet on them like they're just a no-brainer best player favorite that is a tiny tiny percentage of these guys. The majority of guys, the best players, when I was a kid, Shaq and Kobe, like, they were pretty polarizing. Peyton Manning early on his career could not win big playoff games. Tom Brady, people thought after he won championships, was he even any good?

Honestly, that was a conversation when I was in high school and in college. Tom Brady, what is he really doing? Obviously, that changed in 2007, but his first three Super Bowls, He was not viewed anywhere close to like the Tom Brady he became. It's part of the business. It's what makes this fun. And the thing I like the most about sports, which probably has a lot of parallels to a lot of industries you guys work in,

it's very black and white, right? In this business, how many people are listening? How much revenue are we generating? Are we increasing listenership? Are we increasing revenue? You're either doing it or you're not, right? In your jobs, like you got quotas, you got a hit quarterly, Numbers, you're either doing it or not.

In sports, like, at the end of the day, you either win or lose games. But a huge part during those games is us judging you within the context of the game. And I think Jalen Hertz has been a polarizing player since he was in college. Like, Jalen Hertz didn't just come on the scene when Howie drafted him in the second round. He was benched in the national championship game, in the peak of the Nick Sabin Dynasty. And let's face it, that is the last college football dynasty we are ever going to see. NIL will never, and transfer portal will never allow that to happen. So in the peak of the Alabama dynasty, he was benched for another guy who is extremely polarizing into a Tongue Vailoa.

And I think the one thing, anyone that watched Jalen talk, it is, it's very admirable. His resiliency, his focus, how serious. of a guy he is. You know, I joke with my buddies on the Eagles, like the two biggest cremudgeons on the team are Fangio and Jalen. They're not smiley, happy-go-lucky individuals. Like, they're old school. Now, understandably with Vick, he's 66 years old, but like that's kind of Jaylen's the way

he conducts himself. And so why he's talking, talked about it over the years, why he got along with Sabin, because they were very similar. And, like, part of what makes Jalen fascinating. is he's never going to throw for 35, 40, 45 touchdowns. That's not going to happen. Like, in his short career, like, he's not getting to 25 touchdown passes. This year, there were 20 guys in the NFL who threw more touchdown passes.

But I dove into some numbers today, and I was like, maybe I'm missing the boat on this guy a little bit. Because if you're going to throw 18 touchdown passes in a season, you can play on a team that's super loaded like the Eagles. and, you know, you can get by, but that's not ideal. I would say at a minimum, you would like your quarterback to throw mid-to-high-20s. But the one thing Jalen brings to the table,

well, two things. One is a passer. Only three full-time starters, average more yards per attempt than Jalen hurts. So while he's not, you know, Josh Allen or Brett Farve or Aaron Rogers slinging that pill around, when he does let it rip, he is pushing the ball down the field.

And we've given them a lot of credit on that. He is a guy that is a great deep ball thrower, and it shows when they play. And Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff, and Brock Purdy, actually, are the only three guys in the NFL that average more yards per attempt. And the 49ers, while they had an awful season, offensively, they were really, really good. They were just bad in the red zone. obviously Jared Goff and Lamar dominated but those offenses push the ball down the field or attempt to

the 49ers are kind of a hybrid they break a lot of tackles but like when Jalen makes plays with his arm he is not dinking and dunking he will let it rip and he's accurate when he lets it rip but the other thing he does that we talk a lot about they have a play that's unstoppable it's literally an unstoppable play. It'd be like

every time a badder swung, he's going to hit a home run. Or it'd be like anytime Bryce and Deschambeau hit a drive, it's going to be right in the middle of the fairway. It'd be like, Steph Curry, if he never missed. It's like every time he shoots, he hits a three. He's like, well, how do you stop it? You're like, well, you don't. You just lose. And that's what happens with the tush-push. So he accounted for 14 rushing touchdowns.

14. So really you have to look at him like, you know, Lamar, Lamar's a better thrower of the ball. And he is a guy that's proven now that he can get 35, 40 touchdown passes in the year. But like, Jalen's going to get you 14 to 16 rushing touchdowns on the ground. Last year was 15 and the year before was 13. If you just pulled the average guy, you just walked down the street, even if you went to Philly and said, who had more rushing touchdowns? I'm not talking about super nerdy guy that's always on, you know, ESPN.com stat sheet. Just the average fan.

Hell, you could go to a game and just poll the average man. Who had more rushing touchdowns this year? Sequin Barclay or Jalen Hertz? I do believe that majority of people would say Sequin Barclay had more rushing touchdowns. Honestly, before I looked, I would have said that. Jalen had more. And it was only like Derek Henry, Josh Jacobs, Jamir Gibbs, that had more rushing touchdowns than Jalen hurts.

Jane Daniels was like, oh, this dynamic, he had six rushing touchdowns. So part of what Jalen brings to the table is like his rushing ability and his scoring ability as a goal line running back, he's just, he's an outlier player. We just haven't seen anything like this. You know, because part of like Lamar,

it's speed. It's like the elegance in the open. field. With Jaylen is power. We're going to get down. And listen, I don't love the play. Like, I'll be honest. Not because I think they're like fucking anybody by breaking rules or not. They're just

following the letter to the law and taking advantage of it. And they got a lot of power up there, starting with him. A lot of teams, we saw Josh Allen try to run it. He can't get low enough. So it's an advantage they have. My issue with the play is when they go into the position, it just never fails.

And part of sports is like, when Steph Curry shoots, I don't know if it's going in or not. I think more often than not it's going to go in, but he misses. Bryson doesn't always hit the fairway. That's part of it. Like when he gets under center and they go to push push, it's, you know, especially on the goal line, he's scoring a touchdown. But like, I think we need to come to grips with we're evaluating Jalen. Like, is he a top five, eight quarterback? Well, in the traditional sense, if you're comparing him like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers and Mahomes and Josh Howard,

no, he's not going to play like those guys. But when you look at production, the fucking guy is productive, and he's a huge part of their running game. So he gets 14 touchdowns on the ground. You add 13 more with Saquan. If you have 20 plus touchdowns from your running backs, you are in great shape.

I mean, great shape. If you get 27 from your top. two backs, and I'm including Jalen in this. So between Jalen and Saquan, you have a dominant running attack. So to me, the Eagles, like, I just think he's a unique player, and you try to put him in a box, you can't, because he's not a player that can be put in a box. And he's just, his career has been different. I will say this.

You play big in big time moments in sports. It's worth a lot more. It just is. You see it in the NBA all the time. Like a lot of guys can score 40 in a random game in January in Sacramento. No one gives a fuck. A lot of guys hit four home runs. I don't want to say a lot,

but people have hit four home runs in a game or three home runs or, you know, thrown eight scoreless innings. It's cool. It's July. What happens in September? or October when everyone's watching. It's harder. And he now has played really, really well

into Super Bowls, completely under control. And that's where I think his kind of mantra of like, he's not a super celebratory guy. He's not Mr. Jumping for Joy all the time. Neither was Belichick. Neither was Sabin. And like their teams usually played well

in the biggest moments because that personality sometimes doesn't always serve you in early October. It's like, why aren't you showing more fire? because this is a marathon, not a sprint. And I just, I have a lot of respect for what Jaylen accomplished in the playoffs, specifically in that Super Bowl, because that was really, really impressive. Speaking of a guy that obviously didn't have an impressive showing,

I saw a clip from his podcast where he was just, you could tell Travis is pretty shell-shocked. It's one thing to lose Super Bowl. It's another thing to just get curb stomps like they did. Now, I think as a fan, I said this. I do believe it's easier to just get your teeth kicked in to just the game basically being over in the first quarter. You're like, we're just going to get killed than it is to lose in like historic fashion, like a Malcolm Butler pick or 28 to 3 in overtime. Like I think those, the level, I mean, it's like getting kicked in the balls over and over and it just feels like that pain never goes away.

Like there's not that much pain because it's over so fast. It's like getting hit by Mike Tyson the first 10 seconds of the boxing match. It's another thing to lose in the 15 round, just bloodbath. You're like, God, I couldn't have given it anymore. And I think here's the thing with Kelsey. These situations are complicating. And I saw it last year with the Warriors and Clay Thompson. Now, it was different.

Like, the Warriors were never going to cut Clay Thompson. They were never going to... He was more than likely he was going to play for someone else eventually. That's not the case with Travis. Travis Kelsey is going to retire a Kansas Chief. If he wants to retire right now or if he wants to retire after next year, it's going to be his choice. The Kansas Chiefs will not cut Kelsey this offseason, though they could for $2 million. And I think if he was any other player not named Mahomes or Chris Jones, he would get cut. But he's an absolute legend.

He's one of the most impactful and important players of his generation. not just in the NFL, but for Veach and Andy, he's in a league that is really not full of anyone on scholarship. He kind of is. I also think he's owed close to $18 million next year, and I understand he's made $95 million, and he's dating, potentially engaged, maybe ends up getting married to a woman that has an unlimited amount of money. But $18 million is still $18 million. and living a high-priced lifestyle. I've heard a lot of people talk to cover sports media about Tom Brady.

He's not giving up 10 years, $370 million. Do you know how much money that is to work one day a week? It's like he has an expensive lifestyle. Rich people like to keep up the rich lifestyle, you need the money to keep coming in. For the first time in my life, I flew first class to New Orleans because we had some extra credit from Maria, so I combined it. I was just going by myself. I was like, damn, this is pretty good living.

I've always wondered what it felt like to sit, be the first guy on the plane. Sometimes on Southwest I am, but I gotta pay 50 bucks to get like A2. And see everyone walk back, knowing I got a way bigger seat, knowing I'm about to get free cocktails, free food, just taking care of.

It's like, this is a good living. I told Maria when I got back, I'm like, I don't know if I could ever sit back in the normal seats again. I don't know if I could do it. I'm sitting next to Debo seat. Samuel, I'm sitting next to Pave Sparantic. I'm like, I see the way these people are living.

This is good living, but it's expensive. You need money to sit up there. It ain't cheap, relative to the other seats. And I just wonder if you're Travis Kelsey, like, it's over. He's not nearly the same player. He is, you know, for a guy that is scheduled to make $18 million, if he was just, if the chiefs had to resign him to a one-year deal, that number would probably be closer to like two or three or five, right?

I just think, and I know he's going to contemplate it, it's got to be a tough decision because this is not a quarterback or you've made hundreds of millions of dollars. You know, he's trying to, like, he's keeping up with the Joneses now. Look who he's hanging out with. And I think if you're the chiefs in a weird way, they will never say this publicly.

And these are the tight conversations that Veach and Andy only have with themselves. They're hoping he retires. They want this to be over. because it's very difficult to get rid of aging superstars. And aging superstars who have led you and the organization to the highest of highs. I mean, the last, there is a chance. And that's the great unknown about the reality television show that is football. Jesus might never make it doing the Super Bowl again.

So the greatest era of Kansas City football might have just happened. Right? It could have, we could have just witnessed it. Five Super Bowl's in six years. Honestly, it's hard to get any better to that in any era. Five Super Bowl's in six years and win three of them. That's fucking as good as it gets. I mean, that's a legendary run.

And it's hard to pivot off those guys. So when you're, their situation, I think they're praying that whenever he makes his decision, and they're going to need to know before free agency, before the draft, hopefully, you know, in the next couple weeks. but I'm out. I think the thing is his downfall as a player right now

is he can't move nearly as quickly as he used to. He used to be just such a great athlete. And part of getting older in the sport at running back, at wide receiver, a tight end, a DB, is when your speed goes, if you were once a 4-5 guy and you become a 4-8 guy, it is glaring.

And I'll never forget, that big play that he had against the Texans, where he made a guy missing space and he took it like 50, 60 yards, I was like, he's way slower than he used to be. He's still a great player because his instincts and ability to catch the ball and get open, but he used to be an unstoppable playmaker because he was so much faster than every tight end. We have seen a small percentage of tight ends over the course of the last couple decades that could really run. Listen, I mean, this guy's a murderer,

but Aaron Hernandez was faster than everybody else. He played tight end, but he ran like a wide receiver. One of the things that makes George Kittle such a dominant player is he is a physical player like a Rob Grinkowski, like he likes hitting and he likes blocking, but he can run like a wide receiver. So you get him in the open field, he can fly. And that was Travis for the majority of his career.

And part of getting 34, 35, 36 is it just goes away. And it was always going to be difficult for them to transition off of this. I mean, part of the reason their offense has not been the same is his limited explosive playability. I mean, look at his yards per catch over the last couple years. It has been a precipitous drop. And I admire the guy because I have, like most people, watch so much Kansas Chief football over the last six, seven years. and in the peak of his powers, he was as dominant of a past receiver slash tied in as you'll ever see. And he has legitimately won them games.

I mean, some of the biggest games in the history of the franchise, he's played a huge role in. And just random regular season games over the years where he just took over. Those days are done. And when you pay a premium for a guy who's not even close to it anymore in the economics of the NFL, that's where you can get in some problems. I saw the Super Bowl. You know, ratings now, it's just, it's so inflated. They add the bar.

It's just, like, obviously, whether you tell me 120 million people, whether you tell me 105 million people, whether you tell me 150 million people. Every single human I know watches the Super Bowl. I would imagine most people you know watch the Super Bowl. It clearly is a universal event. And I was thinking about one big advantage footballist had. And I do think the Super Bowl,

has always been a big deal. But it is increased in its relevancy. I feel pretty dramatically over the last couple decades. It almost feels like an American holiday. And I know that's a huge point. Like people argue against, like we need the off day, the next day. Treat it like it's July 4th or Thanksgiving or New Year's. It's not treated like that on the calendar.

Like you don't get the day off from work the next day. but humans treat it that way in terms of gathering the parties and how they build their weekend and they talk about it for weeks leading up to it. So the other sports have no chance to compete when it all leads to the end, which is the Super Bowl, and you got to watch everything in between. Now, you don't need to fall the draft that closely.

You don't need to fall free agency that closely. But once the game start, like making the playoffs, most people know that if you just get in, you have a chance. Because we all know we're going to be watching the Super Bowl. texting with my mom in her mid-70s, who's devastated. She's a big K&C Chiefs girl. To just hearing stories from Maria at work of like all the different parties that people she works with went to.

And I think it's just pretty cool in a day and age where we agree and disagree and everyone's got different opinions on everything. the one thing that we all come together for is football. It is by far the most popular sport, and its big event is by far the most watched event. It was my issue with the halftime show. A lot of people think that I believe that Kendrick Lamar is not popular. I don't believe that.

I believe that Kendrick Lamar is popular. He's not like some Instagram influencer. I don't believe he was popular enough to put on the Super Bowl was my take. I think typically when you put people on a Super Bowl halftime show, let's just like I said a couple years ago, Dr. Dre, M&M, Snoop Dogg, these people had been so famous for so long. Their songs are just kind of universally known. I was thinking the other day about Usher.

I remember singing Usher songs when I was in junior, high. I'm 40 years old. Usher Raymond has been in my life for a long, long time. The Super Bowl halftime show is not some like niche deal. And I'm not saying Kendrick is, but like a huge part of his show was this Drake beef where Drake is infinitely more famous than Kendrick. Drake is much more mainstream. And that's what the Super Bowl halftime show is. It's mainstream. Throw out you too. I saw, I just went to the list of some of the people that have played it in the past. It's like Tom Petty. It's just people that most people have known for decades. And I do think looking back, it was just a bizarre choice. And I've had a couple people like, listen, I'm younger

than you, like we don't like the music of the 90s. I get that's the way things work. Is younger people, but this is not about young people. This show is about the masses. Why? Because it's by far the most amount of people watching. Now, if you're Kendrick Lamar and you get asked to do it, of course you say yes, because you will never, ever be able to perform with that many people watching, ever. I don't care if you're Beyonce, I don't care if you're Taylor Swift. It doesn't get any bigger. This is by far the biggest event. It's why the NFL doesn't have to pay you to participate.

You show up and 110 to 130 million people are going to be watching you perform for 15, 20, 30 minutes, however long it is. But to me, it wasn't a lot of, I've heard like, oh, these aren't his best songs. I'm not, it's not like I'm, when I say I'm not a huge fan, I'm not like, I'm indifferent. I don't really listen to them. But I'm more, I'm not really a modern day. like, I would say the last, like I said, 10, 15 year hip hop rap guy. You know, listen, I think mumble

rap's awful, but I also don't want to sound like the old guy with the young guys, like, this stuff's good. Some of it's not bad. I do like Drake. I just think if you think that, like, put them on, because this beef is so big, I think the beef is something you see a lot on the internet. I don't think the

casual person is like talking about the Drake-Kendrick beef walking around society. Could be wrong. Maybe I'm out of touch. I'm not acting like I'm super in touch with everything going on in the world here. And clearly that was a big story because Drake is way bigger than him. Like, that's just a fact. Someone's like, well, Kendrick has all these streams on Spotify.

And he was like, per month, he's like 21st. Or in 2024, he was 21st on Spotify. Drake was third. Even the weekend who played, who played the Super Bowl a couple years ago was like fourth or fifth. I mean, these people, and he's a relatively newer, I would say, artist,

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So make sure that you flood my Instagram with any questions. Football, life, you name. We can talk about whatever you want. Everything's on the table. It's the off season. So fire in there. And anything but like breaking down some potential six-rounder's feet or something. I'm not doing that.

But any other question you want, fire in there. We will start with Joey. Hey, John, love the pod. Here's a question for you. I know you aren't a big NBA guy. At least I don't think. I would say I'm the modern-day NBA consumer. Don't watch many games.

Follow the league. I listen to podcasts. I listen to Simmons, win-horse podcast. I like a lot, and I listen to like local warriors coverage. But I know what's going on in the NBA. Just don't watch the games. But I'm sure you have some thoughts on the Luca deal. Now we can go back and forth over whether the Mavs should have traded them.

But it's universally agreed that the Mavs definitely didn't get enough in return. Interestingly, the Mavs sent the league's biggest international star to the league's most popular franchise. I like this question already. And they did it multiple days before the deadline. So even though the GM may have been forced to do it by the owner, it's not like they didn't have time to weigh out other packages. With the NFL being consistently ridiculed for allegedly rigging the sport,

who's to say that isn't a result of Adam Silver and other execs forcing something in their desperate quest for ratings? And yet the idea has gotten less buzz than the OPI on A.J. Brown and the Super Bowl. Why has the possible example of rigging the sport not gotten the same level of attention? I don't know about you, but Adam Silver being exposed for forcing Luca to the Lakers would be a much bigger deal to me than Roger Goodell telling a ref to give a catch to Xavier Worthy in the AFC championship game. What do you think? Also, for the record, I don't think either is rigged. Yeah, I mean, some people get more calls than others.

That's just a fact. Some players, some teams. teams, NBA, NFL, baseball, referees are human. I mean, Draymond's going to get treated differently than other guy. It's just part of the sport. You know, the Lakers, Kobe and Shaq got treated different than the Kings. Now, we could argue whether the David Stern back in the day wanted the Lakers in the finals for ratings, I don't blame them if he did. I get it, but it still felt rigged when Tim Don G was on the take from the mob and calling those games.

I would say this. Clearly, if the NFL was rigged, they would want the chiefs to have a three-peat and everyone would have been up in arms and they just got curbstoms. So I think that conversation came to a screeching halt. It felt like the moment A.J. Brown got called that the fire wasn't just lit.

They threw like sticks of dynamite on it. You're like, oh my God, here we go. Then it just played out. How's it played out? you cannot convince me that something shady did not go on. You cannot convince me that like, well, you think he's fat. We just think he's fat. He just led your team to the NBA finals.

He literally just carried you through the West and destroyed everybody. He's fat. He's 25. And this isn't one of those like Zion's fat yet and doesn't play. This guy like plays injured. We saw him in the playoffs, limping around, still going for 30, 40 points. If you could save one franchise, if you're Adam Silver, it would be the Lakers. LeBron James was 40 years old. Anthony Davis, who actually has really resurrected his career, awesome player, but kind of irrelevant.

You put him on any team, like he's not, people aren't tuning in for Anthony Davis. This is guys on the short list of Changes the Lakers, and he's 25 years old. So do I believe something shady happened? I definitely think it's a possibility. And if you told me, one, I think the whole Maverick situation doesn't ever add up. Mark Cuban, if you think about the last 25 years, or just think in my lifetime, I'm 40 years old. When I think of owners that loved their team slash the sport more than anyone else, I think of Al Davis with the Raiders and football,

I think of George Steinbrenner with the Yankees and just like loving the sport. I'm saying like addicted to just being involved, Jerry with football. Can you ever imagine those guys? Ever selling their team. Not like a piece to get some cash, but like selling their team and going away.

Not in a million fucking years. I would put Mark Cuban under that umbrella of like this guy loves owning the Mavericks, loves basketball, loves the players, loves it all, loves the show of it. He just randomly sells his team. And I thought it's like, well, he thought that the television deal is going to be bad and the business was going to go the other way. They got like 2x, 2 and a half X, the television deal.

And he has a superstar player. He sells a team. Like, that never added up. For people that were in the gambling industry that clearly don't care that much about basketball, it's not like the Adelson family are like, you know, basketball junkies. right? It's not like they're banging out I bet if you go over to their house they're watching Kentucky play Tennessee on a Tuesday night

they're not watching Wizards Hawks on some random Monday so they buy the team clearly they have a lot of money they're in the gambling space in Texas is like no guarantee to pass these gambling laws it never added up to me

this whole thing and then his quotes about like work ethic and he's including like Shaquille O'Neal it's like this guy was he like a plant I don't get it like it doesn't make sense

and there's some similarities here with the Broncos where the dude that runs the Broncos is like married to one of the Waltons but like clearly they're not they had some superstar player

they wouldn't randomly trade them they clearly want to run that business and it's not I don't know if it's just love a football. More because they like the business. It's a cash cow. But what do they do? They immediately go out and give Sean Payton $20 million a year

and say, you do whatever you want, make us a winner. I don't get it. It's extremely shady. Now, you'd be like, Middlecoff, you just hate the Lakers. I do hate the Lakers. But it does not make sense that they just get handed. One of the most talented young players we've ever seen overnight. It's like, well, they gave him.

you know, the biggest hall in the history of the sport. No, they actually didn't even give them that much. I mean, that's part of it. It's like, wait, this trade happened in the middle of the night, they didn't even trade them for that much? It'd be like if you're a Browns fan and you just woke up. It's like, oh, Miles Garrett's, you know, on the 49ers. They gave you a Debo in a couple seconds.

He'd be like, what the fuck? Or, you know, hey, Cowboys, you just, you traded Mike into the bills. It's like, what did you get back? It's like, oh, they traded you a guard and a second and a third. you'd be shell-shocked. You wouldn't even be able to speak. That's this times 100.

Except he goes like you said, the Lakers. This whole thing, Shady. I'm 100% conspiracy theory. Sometimes conspiracy theory, I feel like that word's been overused. There are just things that are red flags, and this is a gigantic red flag.

We've had a lot of red flags over the last four or five years, and this is a fucking gigantic red flag. Now, does silver have the ball, the balls to do this. If he did, I'll say one thing. I do respect it. If he did, like, it is the right move. So if he did orchestrate this,

in a weird way, I'd say congrats. That's your finest moment as a commissioner. But if you're a Mavericks fan, you'd have to just quit watching sports. Okay, this guy's from Northern California. Ask me about the Niners, love your takes, truly do. I'm from Chica.

home Aaron Rogers. Well, he doesn't live there now. That's where he grew up. Can't wait for the draft to see what we do at 11, or if we trade for Garrett, Crosby, or Hendrickson. We have hit on our number one. Trade 11 down for more picks. Try inside DJ Jones and get some more O-line D-Line,

sign a veteran wide receiver until BA gets back. Let's go. Massive offseason for the 49ers. there's just no way around. They're about to pay their quarterback, a huge amount of money, and he's in the world, like, you can win Super Bowls with Jalen Hertz. Jaylon Hertz is never going to be, you know, on a year-in, year-out basis,

consider a top two or three player at his position. But if you do a good job building around him, you can win big. I've seen a lot of random. Like, I saw Alex Smith with the 49ers when Harbaugh got there. Win games. Like, you can win a ton of games and win playoff games when you don't have Joe Montana or Tom Brady or Peyton Man. or Aaron Rogers playing quarterback.

And just because you have those guys doesn't guarantee you anything. It's how building the team. And the way you build the team is like hit on draft picks. It's why the buccaneers have been productive. You good, you sounded exhausted on the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I got this flu or something. I don't know.

You tell me. Do you view the Rams as a Super Bowl contender going into next year? I feel like they're being disrespected by sportsbook and news outlets projecting next year they are ranked 8 to 12 by most. They were the only team to play Philly Close, assuming Stafford's contract gets reworked,

that's a big question, alongside this much-improved young defense, and Sneed and McVeigh's demonstrated ability to bring in young talent, why would the Rams be a top three NFL contender? Why wouldn't they be, along with the Lions and Eagles? I do think the Stafford thing's kind of lingering.

If Stafford is not their quarterback, it's a pretty big deal. Those two have a weird relationship. It's like they've had so much success together, but it never feels like they're both happy with each other. I don't know. So I get that situation, Red Flag. If they get good quarterback play, they're a contender.

Now, their defense was not as good throughout the season as it was in the playoff game against the Eagles. So, especially from a pass rush standpoint. Now, you get verse, takes another step. Like, what a verse is one of the best players in the league next year? And Braden Fisk is right there. Like, their defense could be really good. But offensively, Cooper's going to be gone, which not that big a deal. They probably need to add a tight end, add another wide receiver.

I just think the Stafford thing is a pretty big question mark right now. But as long as you got McVeigh, and if Stafford's there, yeah. I mean, they're a double-digit win team. And thinking football, you just make it the playoffs, like anything can happen. Think about this. The Eagles were, I don't know what yard line they were on when Stafford got sacked, but what was that, the 20 yard line? I mean, they weren't that far away from losing that game.

That's the thing with football. You know, it's so cliche, game of inches, details matter. It's kind of true. You don't make a play or not make a play? Some coaches just say that. Like, who in this room is going to make a play, especially at halftime? We just need someone to make a play. right this is the moment most people in most of our jobs like you don't have to perform in like 20 minutes

like you can do it over the course of a week of a month or whatever and like in football it's like this is our moment we get 30 more minutes and if you're a defensive player you're only going to get what seven eight more series so you're going to get say 20 to 25 more snaps in one of those 22 snaps can you make a play and can you make a difference and jalen Carter didn't that game. And it was the difference in the game. And then the rest two games were a joke. They beat the shit at them. What do the Colts need to do to actually contend for a playoff spot and possibly win the division? The division is winnable, and I feel like our roster is pretty solid. We've got a top five running back, win healthy. The defense will be better with Anirumo, and the wide receiver

core has improved. Obviously, Richardson needs to prove that he's a franchise starter. I do think think that at the end of the year, when McAfee put out the tweet and then Shane Stuyken said that it was true essentially, like, yeah, guys show up late, that tells you everything you need to know. I think it is way easier. And any human with a brain has said this in life, let alone in football, to go from asshole to lighten up. Like it's much easier to start like Parcells, like Belichick, like Mike Shanahan, and then as you get older or as guys, you know, age under you to loosen up on them. It is very difficult to go from Lucy Goosey, everyone's friend, player coach to then be hardass. So you're telling me this guy, these players who had not been accomplishing Dick,

we're just kind of showing up whenever they want it. I can't imagine someone consistently showing up late to meetings with high-level coaches. You mean that's happening for Andy Reid or Sean McVeigh? Like, you think that flies with Mike Vrable? Like, you think that flies with the Packers? And listen, this is the pros, like, you just get fined. And listen, every human being, I don't care who you are, you might be the most punctual human alive. you're going to have a day where something happens

and maybe you're 10, 15, 5 minutes late. Like I'm not acting like you should never, ever be late. Life happens. But it was pretty clear that it was happening a lot. And so we can talk a lot about the football team. You know, Anthony Richardson, how do they fix that? And this is what McAfee put out. Like, there's a culture problem in this building.

Do you think people with Peyton Manning in their heyday were just showing up late? No, fucking chance. None. So, I don't know how you fix that. And this is Mike McDaniel and Shane Steichen thing. Both those guys both said at the end of the year, tardiness

was a problem. So how do those guys go from like Lucy Goosey, everyone's friend, you know, Mike McDaniel wearing sweet watches and Gucci sunglasses to now be a hardass? You can't. I don't think it changes. because that's who you are. You know, and part of being a tough guy is, like, you're just tough. And some guys, you know, people make fun of Sean McDermott

for being kind of stiff and kind of old school. Like, yeah, he ain't allowing people to show up late. Like, that's not tolerated in Buffalo. Not shocking that they kick everyone's ass in the division. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called,

Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

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It looks like Gino will be extended this offseason, but I love the idea of drafting a quarterback sooner rather than later. Do you see the Seahawks making a move at quarterback in the next year or two? I think it'd be pretty crazy to extend Gino Smith. I haven't looked. I mean, how much money is he making? Does he have to be extended because he makes so much money? They gave him three years, $75 million.

It's a pretty good contract. So this is last year of his contract. His cap hit is $44 million. Man. So he's not going to plan $44 million. You wouldn't think. I'd have a hard time extending him. I really would.

And I know he's people like him. He's a good guy. He's 35 years old. That's pretty crazy. He's thinking he probably been on the Seahawks a little longer than you think. Career earnings, what year did you get to Seattle? Got there in 20, so this is going to be a six season there. Do you know he was making some money?

I would not extend them. I would just play it out. Now, I know it's hard to build your team. when a guy's cap hit is that big, but I would struggle with that. Now that football season is wrapped, I was wondering if you could help explain the scouting process that happens

after the college season has ended. We hear every year that ex-player can improve their draft stock by having a good pro day, Senior Bowl, Combined. Doesn't their season speak for itself? I remember DJ talking about Jalen Milrow saying he could improve his draft stock

by having a good senior ball. He just played an entire season at 1st,000, one of the best programs in the country. This is just one of many examples. Do scouts really take pro-day senior bowl combine into account? Okay, let's factor in some things. Jalen Milrow is a bad example because he's played for Nick Sabin and Kaylon Du Boer. So it's like, well, those guys, like, if you're not accurate for those guys, it's a red flag.

I think what he's meaning is like if he goes to the senior bowl and he looks accurate, people might get excited about him. But it's not going to make or break anything. Because like you said, he's been playing at such a good program. So I would tend to disagree. He's just a polarizing player. Because his good so good and his bad can look so bad. And then you see some of the highlights of the Senior Bowl.

He's just not an accurate enough passer. I think when you hear guys at Senior Bowl, it's like, if you play guard and say, I think this guy could be like a second. round guard, but he plays at a program where they're not playing, like you play in the Big 12. So I'll just pick a team. Let's say you play it like Texas Tech. But throughout the last couple years, you've been a starter there, you don't go up against

NFL defensive linemen. So it's like, I really like this guy. But how can I take him on the second round when I haven't seen him play anybody? When he goes to the senior bowl, every day in practice, he's going up against first, second, and third rounders. So if he looks good, you're like, damn, this guy's a player. Or vice versa. God, this guy's a little overmatched, scares me.

So I think it's a lot of stuff like that. It's like a guy goes and you see him against good competition. But like Dylan Gabriel, right? He's been a starter for like six years. UCF, Oklahoma, what's he going to do at the Senior Bowl that's going to help or hurt a stock throwing the ball to guys that he's never thrown to? It just, it can't.

I think it's more for the line of scrimmage, depending at the programs you play at, wide receivers and dbs, you get to show your speed in front of guys. It's just, it's a small percentage. I think at the combine, you know, the 40 time we can act like it doesn't matter. I'm sorry, it just does.

Right? There are certain things, you know, the draft is a market, it's a marketplace. It's like an economic exercise. Right? There's reasons certain homes, sell for more than others on the same block.

More square footage, an extra room, bigger kitchen, extra bathroom, two to three car garage. Well, if you go to the combine and you run fast, if you're a corner and you run a 440, that helps you. I'm sorry, it just does.

Just like if you go to the combine and you're a corner and you run a 458, that hurts you. Doesn't mean you're not going to be a good player, but it does determine your draft stock. Draft stock is different than how you're going to be as a player. It's just what price do I have to pay to get you? So if I go to the Senior Bowl,

I didn't watch that much Ole Miss this year, and the one game I watched was the Florida game, and Jackson Dart just, I mean, fell apart. I mean, he couldn't have played any worse. He looked like Sam Dardled against the Lions. It was like, this is. He's throwing awful pit. So my exposure to him was like, I don't know, this guy's good enough.

And then all I hear is like, well, if you really watch his body of work, this year he's way better. It's like, yeah, I didn't do that. Then he goes to the senior bowl and he looks good and people go, he's really helped himself. Because I think people go in, it's like, oh, he is pretty accurate. God, he's much bigger than I thought. The other thing is, you know, what you do in college might not be what that team wants you to do. So if I'm the Raiders and if I'm Chip Kelly, maybe I go what Jackson Dart does or what, you know, Player X does is something that I think works for us. So people like, ah, why do you draft this guy that eye?

They'd said that with Jalen Hertz. So to me, draft stock is all relative to what you're willing to pay for individual teams. And everyone's price is different. It's why draft boards all look different. We go to 10 different teams, you know, beside a couple players, the draft boards are going to be all over the map. But your interviews, your medical testing, your physical testing does build what your price is. Do I got to draft you 15th or can I get you 75th? Right?

So like when you're big, when you're fast, I mean, that doesn't hurt stocks. Now, that doesn't mean that you're going to be a good player. Because just because you run fast, if you play slow, that can be a problem. But we have seen guys, countless guys, run really fast and really help their stock. Look at what's his name from the Packers, Watson, when he was in North Dakota State. The other thing is when you're not at Alabama or Ohio State or Georgia, there are just a lot more variables. Like, who are you actually playing? What's the competition like on a weekly basis?

It's just not the same. So when you're playing at Texas, when you're playing at Michigan, when you're playing at Ohio State, it actually has a lot of similarities to the NFL. But you might be a guy that's a potential first-round pick from Oregon State or North Dakota State. So judging you at those benchmarks, okay, he has similar size to seven guys that are pro bowlers at his position in the NFL. Like that matters. And it's why it's very complicated. It's a scientific exercise in terms of like there's no way we can do the,

measurable, we can do the speed, we can do the production, we can do the psychological testing. You're still dealing with a human being. So finding out, the other thing at the Combine and the Senior Bowl, and like once we get in the free agency and you start bringing prospects into the building is you kind of want to get a feel for the people. So it's like, do we like this guy? Is this type guy we want in our building? Will he vibe? What is our position coach think? He just spent half the day with him. What is our coordinating? say they just went to lunch together. So you've got to get a feel for the people.

Jim Washburn, you say this to me all the time. It's so easy for you guys to say like, hey man, I know this guy's a shithead, but he can sure rush the passer. And then we draft him the second round. And then you don't have to deal with him anymore. I deal with them every day. I sit in that meeting room for six months with the guy. I practice every day, and it's the head coach is on my ass to stay on him.

And it's right. So it's like you've got to take care of your position coaches. There's a balance. Like you've got to take some flyers. But the personality stuff is so huge. And I do believe beside like, I'm with you on Jalen Milrow. Like we've kind of seen it. Like I would not draft Jalen Milro.

I'm sorry. I would not. He's not accurate enough passer. But there are a lot of players who are NFL caliber and could be NFL starters that just don't play at Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. And their schedule is just very hit or miss. It's why sometimes smaller school guys Like if you play at a Mac school And like that one game you played against Ohio State or Notre Dame

It's almost like you've got to put 80% of your evaluation in that one game Well what if the guy tweaked his ankle in practice So it's like well actually I still kind of like him And he didn't play that well but he was injured Like there's so many different variables That it's hard to figure out I'll never forget my last year in the NFL Ziggy Ansah from BYU

he ended up getting drafted number five overall to Detroit. He had walked on to the BYU football team. And I think his first year, he only played like special teams. And his last year in the program, he played defense a little bit and was productive. Went to the Senior Bowl, the game, he was by far their best player. I remember Brett Deach going, if you watch the tape on Zigginson, he was a best player on the field. And he was. and he shot up like a rocket ship.

And he was legitimately a top, you know, 10 talent. But like it was hard to figure out like, why wasn't he playing? What's his background? What's his deal? Then he ended up, I think, having injuries in the pros. But it's just a difficult situation factoring in all these variables, right? It's pretty easy to go. Trying to think of a good player.

like Travis Hunter. Like yeah, his skill set's going to translate. Abdul Carter. You know, some of these offensive linemen. Like, yeah, there's, now, are they going to be good enough? Are you going to have the work ethic?

Are they tough enough? Like, only time will tell. But most players, like, there's a lot of, there's holes. You've got to figure out a way. You've got to get them with your coaches. You've got to really evaluate the tape. I mean, the Chiefs spent months watching tape as a group together.

It's a huge thing they do. Watch tape as a group together. Anyone that follows, you know, the Colts over the years, they put out videos, they watch a ton of tape together. And you got to let that talk to you, but you also, there's more to it than just, you know, you got to factor it all in. And then make the best educated guests, you know you can. Appreciate everyone listening, battling through with me. And I will talk to you guys next week. Adios.

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