The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Jerry is getting old, Latest with Purdy, and NFL rule changes

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

John opens the podcast talking about the comments made by Jerry Jones regarding the Cowboys approach to giving Micah Parsons an extension, the QB situation in Atlanta with Kirk Cousins, and the latest with the 49ers and Brock Purdy. Later, John dives into the Eagles off-season, and the rules changes in the NFL. Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 4:38 - Jerry is getting old 11:29 - Kirk Cousins 14:00 - Latest with Brock Purdy 16:27 - Holiday games 23:56 - Rule changes 35:41 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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star for Michigan State. I remember being at a Kings game sneaking up to basically court side a couple rows behind with my buddy Mike Ewing that I grew up with watching a Warriors Kings game and Jason Richardson who at the time felt like he was a first or second year player.

I was in high school and him doing a breakaway 360 and I'm watching his son. It's like, God, I feel old. and part of life is aging. And as you get older, you know, these people that have been in your life kind of come down the home stretch. And if you love sports, and if, especially where I grew up, 49ers and Cowboys were a really big deal. And Jerry Jones has been in my life, like most people that follow football, for a long time now. And I watched a clip of the kind of quote that went viral that discussing my,

Micah Parsons. And, you know, the main part of the quote was like, I'd rather pay more and get it right, which I want to dive into that quote. But watching Jerry is like, God, he's aging. And he's aging. Of course, he's in his 80s. And I think the Cowboys right now, it's just going to be a weird little stretch in Jerry's older years. There is no disputing.

It's not apples to apples. But there does feel a little bit like Al Davis, Jerry, Jones, two of the biggest names in the history of the league, guys that own the team and ran the team, the end got a little weird. And that's what it feels like right now with Jerry. Even if you listen to him talk and go, yeah, I'm just going right to Micah Parsons. I'm the guy cutting the check. He's the guy that has to accept the deal. Why am I wasting time talking to anyone else? That's not that abnormal. It feels kind of weird because Jerry's saying it. T.J. Watt did this a couple years ago when he held in and went right to Art Rooney's

office. Last year, when the negotiations were going on with Brandon Ayuk, it was constantly Kyle, John, and Brandon and Iuk dealing with each other on top of the agent. Now, when you make the quote, I'd rather pay more and get it right. I think there's a lot of validity to that statement in any walk of life. You were better off paying a little bit more and being happy with your purchase. I mean, think how many things in life that if you go cheap on end up costing you more money in the long run. It happens constantly with, you know, purchases under $100 to purchases like cars and homes that you're like, God damn, I should not have done this. And it backfires. I would say Jerry has a point when you'd rather pay more and get it right when it comes to

free agents, right? When you are shopping with NFL free agents, you would rather pay a guy $20 million a year and feel very good about him being a pro ball player, a high-end starter, and feeling good about it, even if you are making him the highest paid player at his position, then pay an average guy $16 million a year and go, we're just feeling a need here. I'm not comfortable with it.

Totally understand that. And I completely agree. But when you are extending your own players, especially superstar players, who are going to make an astronomical amount of money. The Miles Garrets, you know, the Justin Jeffersons, obviously the quarterbacks, a guy like Micah Parsons, the difference of $10, $15 million on the total guarantee

could be the difference of an extra starter or two. So when Jerry, the last couple deals he's had with C.D. Lamb with Dak Prescott, has cost him starting players. They don't have the wiggle room because of the way that he does, deals. And then his arch rival, the Eagles, are known for doing deals early and saving money over the course of a couple seasons. It's not like the Eagles don't have a lot of high-priced players. They've extended a lot of them early. It saved them money a year or two later. And it enables them to basically have an offense that has like nine of their 11 starters are maxed players.

and the Cowboys like, well, we can only have three max players on the whole fucking team. That's not normal. Like, that's just bad business. And I would imagine, you know, Stevens in a tough spot.

I've always, I've never met him, but I've known people that have negotiated with him, not even for player stuff, but in other walks of life that speak really highly of him. And to say he's pretty level-headed guy to do business with. I think sometimes when you're 80-plus years old, you are as rich as guy a guy like Jerry, and this would be true in any walk of life.

You know, it's hard to maintain your fastball. Usually the guy that throws 100 miles an hour at 28 at 30 years old is not doing it at 45 years old. Dan Marino can throw a tight spiral, but his arm strength probably isn't the same at 60 years old. And you're watching Jerry now, one of the true mavericks and great businessmen in the history of the NFL.

has been a huge part of the growth and the explosion of the marketing and the popularity of football in terms of the mindset on the business side of the league office. He deserves a lot of credit for that. But the guy we're seeing now, and it pains me to say this, feels like a shell of himself. And, you know, it goes with the Brian Schottenheimer hire. It's just a bizarre place right now. And ultimately, he'll pay Michael Parsons and he'll give him 100,000. $150 million guaranteed where, you know, if he would have done this early,

he probably could have got him for 20% cheaper. But that's not the way Jerry does business. And then he'll just complain, like, we got three guys making max money. And it's like, yeah, probably could have saved on all three of them. And they still could have been incredibly wealthy and you would have had a better team. But that's not what happens when you got a guy like Jerry running the team as a GM in his 80s. Like, how is he going to compete against Howie Roseman? in Adam Peters in his own division.

Newsflash, he can't. Kirk Cousins, this situation is just weird, man. I think, and we've talked about this before, I get when you make such an aggressive purchase, if you're Arthur Blank, another guy in his 80s, and you give a quarterback essentially $100 million over a couple years, that you're just like, I'm not letting this guy control his own destiny

when I paid him all this money. And I'm not just cutting him and allowing him to go to another team. Well, I give him $27.5 million this year. And then I guarantee $10 million for 2006. FU. B.S. That's not happening. And Arthur Blank essentially told him that, right? When they met, like, we paid you all this money. We plan on you being here.

I do think this situation is going to get weird. Now, Rahim Morris said at the owner's meetings, he does not expect her cousins to be at minicamp. news flag, shocker. I mean, okay, I do just wonder if, and I think the hard part is, is Cousins is in line to make $27.5 million this year. Based on the way he played last year, I don't think he would make $27.5 million,

had he been a free agent in March. I think he would have got like a Russell Wilson-type deal. Here's $10 or $12 million and will incentivize you up to $30. But how bad that was, given his age and given the injury he just had, I think that would have scared off a lot of people. And I do think if they are going to trade him, especially if I trade for him, I also take in that roster bonus that's owed in 2026. If anyone were to sign him, if he had been a free agent, no one would have guaranteed him anything past 2025. So I think the Falcons are just operating at a spite. and we're just going to keep you around.

Don't love that once training camp hits. Now, we got a long way to go till then, and maybe teams will find out after the draft who really needs an extra veteran quarterback. But this situation went from pretty normal when they signed him in March to then very weird with Kirk Cousins to now being pretty petty. And it's going to be fascinating.

I don't know how this thing's going to play itself out, but there is a lot of money on the line with a quarterback that is not worth that type money based on the way he played. Talking about guy who is worth a lot of money would be Brock Purdy. And Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch, and Jed York all spoke about his situation. And the owner who also talked about this last year expects a deal to get done. Now, listen, I've said over the course of the last month, I'm done arguing, like, whether they should or shouldn't pay him.

They've already told you they're going to pay him. So I will react when we see the amount of money they gave him relative to these other quarterback contracts. But we already know that, like, he's not a top five quarterback. Even in the best moments of his career, he's not as good as the Mahomes, the Josh Allen's, the Lamar Jackson's. He's not on that level, Joe Burrow. But he's proven if your team is good enough around him, you can win.

and two of the best teams in the NFC are proving that you can have a high-priced quarterback and build a loaded team with a lot of high-priced guys around them. So it is on John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan to figure this the you-know-what out because the Eagles have a quarterback making a ton of money and they have a loaded offense. The Lions are paying Jared Gough a ton of money

and they have extremely high-priced offense. So it's on the 49ers to figure the same. out because we saw it down the stretch of last season. He can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad. That's not Brock Purdy. Just like it's not Jared Goff or Jalen Hertz. If I put Jared Goff or Jalen Hertz or Brock Purdy on the Chiefs last year, they're not the number one seat.

So like these guys, and there's nothing wrong with it, luckily for Brock and the 49ers, he doesn't have to go through Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. They got the NFC. But the teams at the top of the NFC are pretty loaded around the quarterback. Hell, look at what the Washington Commanders just did. They added a starting left tackle. I would imagine they add more offensive weapons come the draft. So you got the 11th pick.

When you have the 11th pick, that means you have high picks in every round. You better get it right. Because if the 49ers just have an average draft, they're screwed. They need a draft that's like a moment that changes the franchise. If not, given how much they, I'm sure, plan on paying this guy, it could set the franchise into just mediocrity for a while. Obviously, the NFL doesn't control what day, holidays fall on. Last year, they got ultra-aggressive with a Wednesday Christmas,

and they said, screw it. We're going to give Netflix a package out of thin air. And they did. And they gave the teams the ability to play on Saturday. so a Thursday schedule, Wednesday, and then clearly they got a long break, but it was pretty unfair to force teams to play that short a week, that late in the season. It's not an ideal thing for these teams. This year they get a little reprieve because they announced they're going to do a triple header on Christmas. Because Christmas is on Thursday.

So you will have two Netflix games and then an Amazon. on night game. Sign me up. I'm in. But I also think it works out because you could have probably three games on Saturday. So basically all these teams play on Sunday the previous week. And then they just get one less day. They play on Saturday. And then you just rotate them all and they play on Thursday. So instead of a short week, instead of four days, you get five days. Still not ideal, but much better than last year. And that's what I would imagine happens is we get three games. We get three games the Saturday before Christmas and then Christmas on Thursday, you get those same three games and just rotate the teams, just like it happened this year with who was.

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Dallas Gotter. He's getting traded. It's pretty clear. Nick Siriani says he's on the team as of now. And essentially, like, we can't. This is the NFL. It sucks. I watched this thing on YouTube.

It was Tanenbaum interviewed John. Schneider and Jason Light. It was like a very relaxed setting. I don't know, maybe they did this at the Combine. Maybe they did at the owners meetings. I'm not exactly sure where it took place, but there's like the three of them in a room. And it was just refreshing to watch two guys that are GMs now. Say, most of the time when we let good players go, we get crushed locally, you know, by our fans and everyone's pissed off.

We never want to let these guys go. If you know the guy's good, we definitely know the guy's good. want to keep them. But that's not the way the league works. And John Snyder was like, Mike, I watch all these shows you're on on ESPN. And every former player is like, just pay them. He's like, well, yeah, no shit. If we could just pay everybody and there was no salary cap, most of the big time teams,

their salary, you know, their ceiling for salaries would be much higher. They would be spending way more money keeping players. But you're not allowed to do that. like do I think the Eagles want to get rid of Dallas Goddard? No. Do I think that they have to make some sort of financial move? Yes. And I also think he's got value because we know a team like the Chargers.

They need an offensive weapon. I think teams like, I think you're going to see teams, what about the Chiefs? They got an aging tied in. Now, again, financially does it work? This stuff is not easy. And then there are going to be teams that missed the playoffs last year who are bullish on their chances moving forward and we'll sniff around. Now, are they getting much of value for Goddard? I think they would be lucky to get a third round pick given that I'm sure he's going to want

a contract extension in the next year or two. And he's already an expensive player. But I do think he's going to have a market based on the teams that hopefully draft the tight end in this draft aren't able to because when they pick, the guys off the board. So Dallas Goddard, will be on another team pretty soon. Some rule changes in the NFL. Overtime, which Andy Reid's been beating this drum forever, will change for moving forward that in the regular season, like the playoffs, both teams will get the opportunity to possess the ball.

Cool. I'm in. I think we all agree. That's fair. You either got to do sudden death or you've got to go all in. They both get to touch it. You can't do, well, if we kick a field goal, then you get a chance. If we score a touchdown, like that, that, they were trying to have their cake and eat it too.

That was kind of bullshit. Like, to me, if you're going to have, you either do sudden death, it's kind of like the luck of the coin flip. And then if you score field goal, touchdown, whatever safety, games over, or both teams get to touch the ball. And that's the way moving forward, which I'm cool with. If you go on the internet, a piece of wisdom, the older folks often give is, learn to code kids because technology is taking out all of our jobs. AI is coming. Well, the NFL will no longer be dependent on the chain gang.

They will use a camera technology to now determine first downs. But the chain gang crew, who stands there with the first down marker and that the other, you know, part of the chain, will still be on the sideline. So no one, this isn't Woody Johnson. We're not giving golden parachutes here. We're not firing the chain gang all over the NFL. But they will no longer be in charge of determining first downs, second downs, down and distance throughout the game. So we have camera technology now coming into play.

This is what Belichick's been banging the drum forever. You know, camera technology, goal line technology. The NFL is like, okay, we're making some profits. We'll start paying a little money here. And the touchback as well, we'll go. from the 30 to the 35-yard line. It feels like they're very bullish and feeling themselves

on this new kickoff rule. Which again, I'm not opposed to it. Don't love it, but definitely don't hate it. Kind of just like, yeah, it's cool. Like, in theory, it should have given a lot more action. They love saying, like, way less injuries. Like, yeah, I don't know if the consumer cares that much. I just want action.

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And there's a lot of them constantly. This feels like one that a lot of people are very emotional about. And I don't think this would be a big deal if this was the Jags or the Miami Dolphins or the Arizona Cardinals. But it's a team that's been in the Super Bowl two of the last three years and just kick the Chief's ass on Super Sunday. So the Eagles are finding out when you're the big dog, everyone comes at you. We saw it forever with the Patriots. People are just gunning for you. And there are going to be teams like the Packers.

Well, what do they have in common with the Eagles? They played them. And what happened? They lost in the playoffs. They can't stop the play. So I think there's a tough one for Roger because he's just letting the teams decide and they get to vote on it.

But it's like a lot of people are up in arms. And my ultimate take is anyone can do it. And do I like watching it just as an independent fan of football? Like if it disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't think about it again the rest of my life. But from just what's fair is fair, anyone could do it. No one steals plays and steals information like football people, especially coaches. That's constantly stealing other people's stuff off Phil. And the Eagles have been putting this on film now for three.

plus years. So if you want to do it, you could just do every cut-up of every time they run it and install it with your own team. And I would imagine some teams have tried and they don't feel comfortable doing it. Their guy's not good enough doing it.

Hell, Patrick Mahomes, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time after he hurt his knee on a quarterback sneak, like they don't love quarterback sneaking them. So now on short-yard situations, like they do rollouts and stuff because they don't want to put him in a compromise situation. But I just think this situation is not going away.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife-12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Let's do a little mailbag. At John Middilcoff is the Instagram firing those DMs, get your questions answered right here on the podcast. We will start with Matt. All this talk about the tush push brings me back to Brady and the quarterback sneak. We hear how the Eagles and Hertz are uniquely built for this play. But how was a quarterback so automatic like Brady?

He isn't uniquely strong, fast, or tall? Brady's six huge, but I hear what you're saying. Maybe the better question is, why do other quarterbacks, why are they so bad at it? I saw Vrabel, came into my YouTube algorithm. He was on like, you know, one of the local shows on Boston Radio, the big, the Sports Hub or whatever, 98, and I watched his interview

and he mentioned that one thing that Tom was so good at is like he could hit like three or four gaps. You know, he would see wherever you weren't and he would attack that gap. Like the tush push is the same every time, right? They are just shoving you forward and he's going, I think it's fair to say. I mean, I've never broken it down on the all 22,

but just in a vertical straight line forward. Maybe he moves a little bit left or right, but it's just, it's a push forward. Tom, like Josh Allen tried to do in the AFC championship game, is like picking lanes. And historically, that's kind of what you did. Like, if a dude was shaded over the center and shaded over the right guard and you had a little angle to the left guard, you would fire to the left side or vice versa. I don't know.

I mean, Tom was just a lead at it. Some people just have certain skills and are comfortable doing it. Maybe there's a push-off element. Tom is also, Tom is tall. I mean, Tom is 6-5. So I think some people, Mahomes, I mean, they just don't even run it. So I don't have a great answer for you beside like, I do think the reason people don't just 100% copy the tush push.

Like if I have Jared Goff or Patrick Mahomes or some of these quarterbacks who like, Jared Goff is not, you're not going to want to put them like that low one. He can't. He's tall as well. But like, he might be liable to get hurt. You know, part of what makes Jalen unique is kind of his body type. He's like the bigger, he's a little bigger version of like Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson in his heyday would have been good at the tush push, I would guess. So it's harder for Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers to get that low.

It's crazy how big of a topic the tush push has become. And I'll keep saying this. The torpedo bats. someone hit me like, Judge isn't using them. Listen, I enjoy the Yankees. I'm not anti the Yankees. I'm entertained. Honestly, like two baseball teams I kind of loosely follow

or the Yankees and Dodgers just because you just want to see the best teams. But I guess he's not using the torpedo bat. But the dude on Cincinnati used a torpedo bat on Monday night had like seven RBIs and went four for five. I'm pro the torpedo bat. I'm not anti the torpedo bat. Yeah, I don't even know why I've ever. brought the torpedo bat, but question for the back. The NCAA is so opposed to having student athletes be employees,

even though every university employee employs students for several non-athletic campus functions. Why doesn't the NCAA allow college athletes to be employees of the university with contracts that stipulate classroom attendance and other specific terms? Is it simply because the NCAA doesn't want universities to provide health, insurance and other benefits? Seems like most of the NIL sketchiness we're seeing is because there are no rules. But in my opinion, having contracts

would solve the vast majority of the issues. I don't pretend to be like NCAA revenue share, like a master on this topic. But health insurance, if I shatter my leg playing for Wisconsin or playing for UCLA,

or whatever. Ruin my shoulder. Ruin my elbow. I get surgery on their dime. So the program ensures me. Let's assume, like, I don't even have parents. My grandparents raise me. And they don't have health insurance either.

The school covers me as a collegiate athlete. I think their issue, the school's issue, like the Title IX thing is kind of the elephant in the room. You know, you couldn't just employ the foot. football players and not employ the soccer players and the softball players. I mean, it's just, it becomes this weird situation of legalities, which again, like, I don't feel that comfortable talking about, but I know they exist. I saw them at Fresno State. The softball coach, when I was there in 2008 and 2009, had sued the school and was one of, if not

the highest paid softball coaches in the country at the time. she was making like 400 grand like 08 because she had sued the school for Title IX violations. The basketball coach, Stacey Johnson Klein, who's this good looking woman, she actually had been fired, had sued the school because she claimed like the AD had like touched her in a car wash

and it got like $10 plus million. So the Title IX situation can be very financially limiting if you screw something up. You can be forced to pay a lot of money in situations that you don't like the softball coach making 400 grand at Fresno State in 2009. I mean, that's insane.

But like Title IX, she got it. The Stacey Johnson Klein, the basketball coach, there were a lot of different opinions on what actually happened. But what did happen is she won a lawsuit for a lot of money. Is Matt Ryan a Hall of Fame quarterback? I think anyone who says no is crazy. Pro football focus agrees if you look at their Hall of Fame rating.

But here's why. And then he just rattles off. MVP award. Has one MVP award equal to Elway, Burrito, and Terry Bradshaw. First team all pro selection, achieved in 16. Surpassed legends like Elway, Aikman, and Warren Moon. Career passer rating. Higher than Favre, Montana, Rathesberger, Warner, and Aigman.

Touchdown to Interception Ration. It just rattles off. When I close my eyes and I think Matt Ryan, do I think Hall of Fame? And again, my standards are really high. Like when I think Hall of Fame, Brady, Manning, Rogers, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Adrian Peterson, like the greatest players of all time. Trent Williams. Ledany and Townlinson.

Like just Dion Sanders, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice. Like, those are the type guys I think about. And maybe I have too high of a, of kind of like my threshold is way higher than some.

Matt Ryan is a phenomenal player. And like, he falls under the, you know, Cam Newton. one year was more of an outlier relative to most of his career. But I do think Matt Ryan and Cam Newton both, like, they had this remarkable MVP season and they led a team to a Super Bowl and then they lost.

I do think if they had won the Super Bowl, like won the MVP and then won the Super Bowl, you do stuff like that, it's like, yeah, Hall of Famer. I think when you lose that game, fair or not, it can kind of rattle your candidacy. It's hard to do Pro Bowls and, yeah. He played, you know, in an era with, in the NFC, Rogers, really his entire time, and Breeze. And then Russell Wilson. So I just have high standards.

I'm not anti-Mount Ryan. And I respect Mount Ryan's game, but my first reaction is no. But I think the same for a lot of players in his era. Philip Rivers. You know, Eli's tough because he did have those two seasons. And I just used the example, but Eli wasn't win the MVP. To me, if Eli had an MVP, it'd be a no-brainer. But I understand the arguments on both sides.

Longtime coffee member, everyone says that Josh Allen is an all-time talent. No argument. People also claim that Dayball is the one who fixed Josh. What are the chances the majority of people are incorrect in their assessment of Brian Daibol. I'm not saying he's necessarily a bad coach, but it seems to me that he got more good coach credits transferred from working with an all-time talent in Josh Allen

than the bad coach credits for sucking consistently with the Giants. Josh likely would have figured it out. It just happened to be with Daibol. In the year Daibol went to the playoffs, DJ had 15 touchdowns, five interceptions and seven rushing touchdowns, not exactly killing it. I do understand that he maximized Daniel Jones,

but I can't help but think Alan saved Dayball and not true the other way around. I think the reason he gets a lot of credit with Josh Allen is because when the bills drafted Josh Allen, it was an extremely controversial pick. He was not very good in college. Now, granted, he played at Wyoming and his last year there, they had lost a bunch of skill guys,

so his team wasn't as good. But coming out of college, he was, his two seasons starting at Wyoming, 56%, 56%. He had a pretty solid 2016 season with 28 touchdowns, but he threw 15 interceptions, and then his senior year he threw 16 touchdowns. So I just think it's not, it looked like he got a project. And this is the best part or the most fascinating part. about arguing this stuff, we'll never know. Like, is Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes,

if some random, if Todd Bowles gets him, Robert Sala gets him, I don't know. I think it's fair to say he would not have rattled off all the Super Bowls, but does he win a Super Bowl? Would Josh Allen been great no matter where he goes? I don't know the answer to that. Could you make the argument that Josh Allen made Brian Dayball 100%? Because I saw Brian Dayball coach.

a lot of offenses before he got to Buffalo, and it was not pretty. Now, maybe he learned in his one stint from Sabin, but I don't have a great answer for you besides, like, I don't know. One thing's clear. Josh Allen is now a dominant player, and anyone who coaches him is going to get a lot of credit. But Brian Dayball is, I think he was asked today on Tuesday that if he'll call plays and he still didn't have to be.

have an answer. It's just, the giant situation has just been weird. It really has. Huge Charger fan. A lot of people talk about the Chargers need weapons. While I agree, I look at the new regime as building through their identity. Build inside out. I see you say Jim was never going to pay $30 million for a receiver. My question is, what is your viewpoint on the value of weapon pieces after the interior is built? Can a lesser of talented player be evaluated to a superstar level with strong foundation built first? The most popular example is the Lions. Well, I do believe that when you build a great offensive line, if you hit on a solid running back,

he's going to look way better. I would imagine Najee Harris has a good season. I would guess they draft a running back with their first three or four picks. I'd be a little shocked if that guy's not good. so it's much easier to be a running back behind a good offense blind than a bad one look at Sequin. But I would say that

part of having great wide receivers is like if you don't throw it all the time, who really cares? Jim Harbaugh wants to run the ball. He wants to run the ball, slow down the game and play defense. What he's been doing for 15 plus years at Stanford 49ers in Michigan.

So like having DK Metcalf and allocating that much money to one player, feels like a misuse of funds and misuse of resources. It's why he doesn't usually do it. Like to me, the chargers need tight-in running back. Question for the mailback. What are your thoughts on Shrager leaving the NFL network? Are you friends?

I wouldn't call him a friend, but I know him. I think the NFL network is just not going to exist. I don't know when or how or when you turn on television. It won't be there or it'll be morphed into ESPN. But the NFL network that we knew a decade ago or five years ago is not going to exist over the next three or four years. They have been trying to sell it forever. So I think Schrager is very, very tied in with the NFL, you know, in terms of coaches and just he's good. He's entertaining.

I enjoy him. Got off a sinking chip. Like the NFL network is just, not going to be around over the next several years. I don't know when, but as we know it, it's really just not going to be near the same. And, you know, he's a New York guy. They move good morning football to L.A.

You know, I think Jason McCordy, who was part of that show, or Devin, one of the two, I think it was Jason, like refused to go. He's like, no. I think Kyle Brantz really talented, kind of in a tough spot. I don't know. I mean, it's just you're part of these shows and you're one of the talents. Well, this is the thing of like, you know, quote unquote legacy old school media. You're, you're, if they want to move studios to a different state, what are you going to do?

It's in the podcast business. You can't just do it from your house, even though he kind of did at times. But, I mean, it was clear that that show is coming down the home stretch. I don't watch it, but it gets good reviews. People enjoy it. It's just an easy show to consume when I have seen it. How much stock do you put in cold weather NFL teams, bills,

Pat's, Packers, etc? Put into players that came from cold weather schools. It's a good question. I think it matters at quarterback. You know, if you take a guy to New England or you take a guy to Philly and they don't have a strong arm and don't function well in inclement weather

or New York or Pittsburgh, it's going to be difficult. It is dramatic. dramatically easier to play your home games in Los Angeles or San Francisco or a dome than it is in freezing cold conditions. Can you imagine playing Kansas City home games in December? It's going to be hard to have a weak arm. Now, Alex Smith, like, they could kind of manage it, but it was difficult and they had limitations. I think when it comes to other positions, like tough guys translate.

Like if you're a tough physical linebacker and you played at USC or Texas, you're going to be okay, right? Same with guards and detackles and corners. That's where the scouting aspect of your football character, of your personality come into play. Like it's not anyone's fault. You play at Alabama. A lot of guys from Alabama have gone on to cold weather cities and been just fine. Or Georgia or Florida. I think it's much more difficult for,

quarterbacks, especially arm strength. I mean, if you play, like, it's hard to play in Chicago if you have a weak arm. Part of the reason they love Caleb, he has a hose. It gets fucking windy and cold there. You're not going to be throwing 80 miles an hour in Excel. You've got to have a fastball. I mean, who's, look at the Packers. There's a reason, their last three quarterbacks, big arms.

You need it. Josh Allen, Baltimore, or Buffalo, freezing cold, inclement weather. Lamar has a pretty good arm. So I think it's more personality for most positions. You know, receivers, if you get a little bit of a diva, but again, like Deshaun Jackson was from L.A., played a Cal and went to Philly and was just fine. I think for most positions, it's a pretty easy transition. Plus your body, you know, I've been living in Arizona for a while.

The Bay Area is just much colder. People say California, great weather. The Bay Area does not have great weather. they talk about Northern California like at Southern California. It is not. San Francisco is freezing cold. I think Mark Twain said the coldest day of the year is a summer in San Francisco, summer night in San Francisco.

It's a cold place. So like you kind of adapt to your surroundings since I've been here. Like it's 60 degrees or under. I get really cold. Not that I ever truly embraced it, but when you live in Philly, you kind of get a little more used to the cold. But if you have small hands,

you have a weak arm, I don't care how mentally and physically tough you are. They're just limitations. Lifelong Bears fan. I know you've gotten a lot of mailbag questions about Caleb, but here's one more. I completely agree with your outlook on him. Next year will be a big tale about his future. Last year is tough to judge him and how he'll be as an NFL quarterback because of the lack of the team's competitiveness and maybe the worst coaching staff of all time.

I've seen a few worse, but it's bad. I've heard you say he was getting all his stats in the second half of games that were already over. It's definitely true, but on multiple occasions during one score games against the commanders, the Packers, and the Vikings, the forced overtime and the Thanksgiving game against the Lions, he was able to drive the ball down the field in the fourth quarter and fell short due to his team or coaching staff letting him down. Can we start being fair when talking about the guy who has shown? showing flashes of a late game clutch gene. I don't think anyone's shitting on him.

I'm just, the guy presented his stats of his touchdowns and his yards, and I just said a lot of those who were accumulated down a lot of scores. I mean, that Lions game, when Iber Fluse fucked them by not calling the time out, I forget the exact score, but I mean, wasn't it like 24-0. And half? 28-0. I mean, it was a blowout. So I think when you're in those moments, you get to accumulate a lot of stats

because the other team loses focus. Especially by then, everyone viewed the Bears is terrible. Now, I'm with you. Once the game becomes tight, you either got to make the plays or you don't. He made a lot of plays. I'm not acting like Caleb some scrub. No one's saying that.

We'll see what it looks like. I don't know the answer. Not all these guys are going to hit. And who knows? From year to year, like we saw CJ Stroud. It looked like he was a top five quarterback. Then he had a bad second year. So things change really quickly.

All of a sudden, Caleb can become a star. I don't know. everyone, as the kids say, love glazing Ben Johnson. Well, see, this is a head coach. I don't know. Everyone thought Dan Campbell is going to be Jim Tom Sula. And it's like Dan Campbell's one of the best coach in the league right now. Ben, listen to the pods.

Since my brother, who's a fanatic fan, sent it to me mid-season. I love your takes. I'm in the process of building a team for a company to launch a new product. Some days, I feel like a GM. Trying to bring in all types. internal, external, outside the box thinkers. My non-negotiable qualities I look for in each person are vision, consistency, and humility.

They can all show in different ways, and they don't have to be strong in all, but need to show potential. If you are picking a team for business, what are some non-negotiable qualities you would look for in each individual team member? Obviously, there are certain industries. Like, you can't make the NFL without meeting certain requirements.

Like, there is no mere use in the NFL. You can't just show up like, I'm going to just make the NFL. Right. So you need to have size, physical characteristics. You have to have played football in college. Jordan Milata was standing, like, and even he was like, probably one of the great rugby players in Australia. You can't just normal people can't play.

Same thing with basketball, same thing with baseball. you have to possess certain skills. So not knowing your industry, there are certain, like you can't just be an architect without a background in it. Right? You could do what I'm doing

just with a big personality, I guess. Even if you didn't have a background working in sports or journalism, you could just be a commentator or a broadcaster. You could just learn, you could learn that vocation. You can't just show up and just like learn how to become a doctor

without the schooling, right? So not knowing your industry, clearly there might be a box you have to check to understand if I need an engineer or a coder, no matter how bad I want it, I would never be able to figure out how to code. It's just not in my wheelhouse. So if you're looking for younger people, I would say in my experience, in football, and now we bring Jackson on in the fall and I want to develop a bigger role form here, I like young, hungry people.

and you can just sense their energy. I once upon a time, 20 plus years ago, was as hungry and ambitious as like any young kid that just wants an in. I value, I would say, hunger, willingness to do whatever, and passion very, very highly. You know, when you say humility, with a young person, I don't want them coming in. I don't need all their ideas.

I do think when you're hiring experienced people like I don't really mind an ego like if you're bringing something to the table and whatever we're going to do you're going to help us print money you're going to help us succeed like you know

you got to deal with some egos so humility there's a difference of like treating people well and like assholes and people being you know treating whoever that are lower than them on the totem pole

in an especially if you're in an office setting, you get a pretty good feel for that. That would be something I wouldn't want to deal with if it's just a bad guy or girl. But humility to me is not as big a deal, but I would just say hunger, passion, willingness to do whatever. And let's face it, some people are just kind of, they just produce. It's my favorite part about like the business world. Some people just produce more than others.

and we all can figure it out pretty quickly who those individuals are in whatever field we're in. Some people are cash cows. Some people bring a lot of added value to whatever you're doing. And it's hard. I mean, it's no different than scouting. It's no different than hiring people. You're just taking an educated guess. And you can call a million people to get recommendations.

You never really know until you start working with them. I was driving around yesterday I listened to Brian Callahan talk and he's like listen I've been around my dad obviously 18 years growing up he's one of the closest people to my life but I've never worked with

with my father until this year right so Bill Callahan he's like this was the first year we'd ever work together so there is like yeah we know each other really well he's my father but like as the play caller on game day,

we had to figure out how to work with each other. I also think there is, you know, so much value in, you know, being around the other person. For those of you that have work in office settings, there's just a value there that cannot be disputed. It's much easier to be productive with ideas to figure out, you know,

if you have people working under you, how good or bad they are. That's something I miss dearly, to be honest with you. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Love the podcast. question. What do you think the bear should do with the 10th pick? I personally think the bear should be aggressive and move up to get Abdul Carter. Otherwise, I think they should draft Tyler Warren or Genty. I think

draft in a running back, 10th overall is nuts. I think that's pretty crazy. I really do. People think I'm a hater on the guy. He's an excellent player. I just, in a draft where you can get a running back in the second or third round, I would take a defensive line.

look who you're playing. Great offenses, right? You have to assume the bear is going to be much better on offense. You've got to assume the lions are going to be explosive and they've got sweet players everywhere. And Minnesota has incredible players and a rookie quarterback. I would want to hit the quarterback as many times as I could. And if they're a defensive lineman, like you said, Abdul Carter would be awesome. You're not going to get him unless he has major medical issues and he falls.

But he's going two or three. I would not trade up to two or three. I would just take whoever, Jalen Walker, whoever the best defensive lineman is on the board, that's probably what I would do if I was the Bears. You know, I think the thing with Tyler Warren is, he obviously is, his size is pretty special. I mean, he's huge.

Let me get his exact measurements here. Tyler Warren. So he was six, five and a half, 260 pounds. I mean, he's massive. he's not the twitchiest guy and from a change of direction fluidity I mean he's not Kelsey Mark Andrews, Kittal

he's really just kind of a jump ball he's got great ball skills he's a good player you know I've talked to some people in the NFL I think the way he's talked about is a little strong I would say in a good draft a guy like him goes in like the 20s

10 would be there'd be a lot of pressure on him to become a good player. You take a tight end to 10, he better be a pro bowler because you're paying him a lot of money immediately. Question for the mailbag. Heard your topic about Hertz versus Herbert, and I think it's a very unique situation

when you compare them fairly easily because they've shared two coordinators. Herbert with Shane Steichen, went 4,300 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions, and Jalen went 3,700 yards, 22 touchdowns, 6.000. picks and with Kellyn Moore, Herbert went 20 and 7, Jalen went 18 and 5.

They both miss some time. Why do you think people discount Herbert's situation and weapons he's had in this career? With the exception of Ladd-McConkie, the only weapon, not a river's leftover, is Quentin Johnson. Herbert with A.J. Brown and Devante would cook. I agree. The only people that hate on Herbert are people on the internet. You won't find people in the internet, or excuse me, the NFL, executives, coaches, did talk poorly about the guy. He's a really good, talented player.

Is he perfect? No. Is he better than the top guys? No. Would, like, 85, 90% of the league take him immediately? 100%. Also, comparing, like, he doesn't play... He has to beat Joe Burrow,

Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes. Like, those are... He doesn't... Jalen's in a different conference. Comparing him to Jalen's stupid. Jalen's comps, are the NFC guys. Jaden,

Purdy, Dack, Jared Gough, Jordan Love. Like, that's his, that's who he has to worry about. The NFC is a different,

it's like a different neighborhood. The AFC is like the richest neighborhood in the entire state. It doesn't get any better. You got all these guys are going right to the Hall of Fame, especially the top three.

The NFC is like, yeah, I mean, a couple years ago, people thought Jared Gough sucked. Jalen Hertz has been more than up for debate over the last couple years. Purdy's the number one debated quarterback going right now.

Most people think that Dak Prescott's the most overpaid quarterback in the history of the NFL. He's gotten two max contracts. Jordan Love. I like him. But, I mean, maybe I won't by the end of the next season. NFC's got a lot of question marks. Derek Carr's and Bryce Young's.

I mean, Baker, I forget about him. It's not exactly. you know, Farv, Young and Aikman. Let's pretend you and I are on Shark Tank. You are one of the sharks. I'm an entrepreneur pitching you a company to invest in. My best friends from college and I are building a sports betting app for the app store that offers a safer and more social alternative to traditional house betting.

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what do you think about the concept? And what? And would you use it? Well, I would be considered, like most people to gamble, a traditionalist. I like betting $100 on Joel Damon 9 to 1 to top 10 in the Valero. I like betting on a three-team parlay in the Sweet 16 for teams to make the Final 4. I like getting 9 to 1 odds on Arkansas to make the Final 4 and putting $100 on them. Like, I just like me against the game.

So I've never, I'm not a big fantasy football guy. So I've never been a part like where everyone buys in for 50 bucks, 100 bucks. I mean, I've had friends that buy in for four figures. Like, have these huge leagues where the winner gets 10,000 or, you know, you read these stories about like the celebrities, enormous cash prizes. So clearly there's some intrigue in that. But like, when my friends or people in my life, text about gambling, we text about who we should bet on.

Like, do you like the chiefs as an underdog against the bills in the second round? Do you like, you know, USC is getting 10 points at Notre Dame? Like, I don't know. So I've never bet, beside when I play golf against other individuals, I bet against a team or in golf on a player. And I've been doing that, you know, for 15 plus years since college, really. But I just, my gambling habits as a sports better would never lean to that. Now, I can't speak if you're 20 years old.

And listen, there's something like in college betting someone 50 bucks when your team's playing their team. Totally. I mean, I'm not acting like I've never done something like that. but as a consistent gambler, I like gambling on the game more than I do against other individuals. So like there's a reason that, you know, the Draft King sponsorship that we have works so well for me personally. One, I invested in the company in my brokerage account.

Two, I gamble heavily on sports just because I like to. I mean, I've gambled pretty, probably put seven, eight bests. on the March Madness, and I don't even watch college basketball, but I'm a fucking American, and I like to gamble. And it's like, I got to have a little action on this, and it's fun. But it also for me, and we're all different, like, when I put $100 on Arkansas to make the final four, I was on the edge of my seat watching Arkansas play Texas Tech. And while they lost, and I didn't even get the opportunity to see that bet through,

one more game, that $100 was worth the price. It was like I was at the game. It was incredible for me. I get highs from entertainment. I've been watching sports for so long. Besides football, which is extremely intriguing to me because I'm going to do podcast topics off of it. So I do this for a living, but it's just I'm always thinking like, how can I make something interesting off what Mike Vrable just said or what the 49ers just did. A lot of, especially when it comes to basketball or baseball or even the hockey playoffs, like, listen, it's, I do want to pay attention to the NBA playoffs. Well, it's much easier if I place a couple bets on teams to win like the

the Western and Eastern Conference. So I like gambling from an entertainment standpoint because I don't care. I do not care who wins. I have no horse in the race when it came to March Madness. I didn't give a shit who won beside the teams that I. bet on. So that's how I gamble when it comes to sports is I gamble less to like, oh, I beat my buddy and more like I just won money. It's honestly one of the last things in this in my life that kind of gets my juices flowing. Like I would not having just one, I think I put 150 bucks on

Arkansas, would have paid like $1,500. It was riveting. I can't, still can't believe they blew it, But it's like, that's how I get my entertainment. And as you get older, like, I don't, not many things entertain me anymore. That'll do it. Good question. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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