The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Jerry Jones Speaks, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, Kauff on Campus

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

John dives into the latest comments from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones about how he could possibly give head coach Mike McCarthy a contract extension. John gives three reasons why Jerry Jones made these comments and talks about if it would be the right decision to do so. Later, he talks about the latest with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets and if Rodgers is planning on coming back to the NFL next season. Then, John gives his best bets for the Thanksgiving Day slate of games. Later, John is joined by Jackson for the latest edition of "Kauff on Campus.". 4:51 - Jerry Jones speaks 11:59 - Aaron Rodgers and the Jets 20:57 - Thanksgiving Day Games 35:37 - Kauff of Campus Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, well, you know, the thing with Jerry is every week, you're going to get some quotes because he talks, unlike every other owner, multiple times, every week. And while he is technically the GM as well. Most GMs do you notice you don't hear from much during the season, if it all.

When's the last time Howie Roseman gave a comment? When's the last time you heard some scorching take from less need? Right. Is Brett Veach coming off the top rope with some thoughts on either his team, other teams, or just in general football? They don't really talk. Because once the season starts, typically, one, the owner doesn't get any benefit from ever speaking.

It's why Jerry's such an outlier. Listen, I speak for a living, so I get it. Jerry likes to hear himself talk. I guess there are parts, even if you don't speak for a living, there are parts that we all do. But Jerry's overboard. It feels a little excessive as of late. And, you know, the elephant in the room is like,

who's going to be the Cowboys' next coach? is Dion Sanders really on the table? Which becomes, I would say, less likely with every game they win because they aren't going to have the number one pick. Hell, they probably aren't even going to sniff the top five. They could rattle off some wins and all of a sudden be drafting like 13th. And unlike the National Basketball Association, even if they were to hire Deion as their head coach,

there just is no way like, don't draft us, we won't play for you. That's not the way the NFL works. Someone would one million percent draft should. Dor Sanders, if they wanted to, if they viewed him as a high pick. He wouldn't just fall. Hell, the last time it happened with Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, Eli dropped a couple spots. Like, there is no way to orchestrate this like you can in, you know, in basketball

where you've seen that happen constantly when an agent can kind of maneuver their way. We've seen it happen a couple times in football, but it's really just the difference of a team. It's not like, I have to go to this team who's drafting 17th. Like, yeah, good luck. but Jerry was asked about Mike McCarthy today and about a contract extension and his status and when I saw the headline like most people

you're like what did Jerry say and I think the hard part about this now is we're going to put Jerry's comments into a couple categories because he's got to fall under one or two things and when asked about McCarthy status and if he could get a contract extension Jerry said that's not crazy at all

and the first thing I wrote down, if you believe Jerry still is cognitively there and as some people that have covered him said, don't sleep on Jerry being crazy like a fox, this would be a comment that would ensure that his team doesn't quit on Mike McCarthy. This is a comment that they just show life against Washington.

They're playing New York on Thanksgiving. You want everyone in that building to think that Mike could still be in charge, next year and have a huge impact on your fate. That he is the guy with Jerry Jones deciding who's going to play, who's not going to play. Do you get to maintain your status as a cowboy player? There are really only a couple guys on the roster that are quote-unquote on scholarship, right? Dak, C.D. Lamb, Diggs, maybe bland if he's healthy.

Obviously, Micah, if they extend him. But you want the rest of the guys to go, hey, it's, pretty good deal playing here. Right, you guys make a lot of extra money off the field because you're a Dallas Cowboy player. And don't think for a second that I couldn't bring Mike back. So that felt a little bit like, if you assume Jerry's still got a little crazy like a fox in him, that's where that comment would kind of come as a curveball.

If he is serious that he might resign him, it could just be simply, listen, I'm 40. I'm not a huge fan of change. professionally I will do it when you just realize one you're making a mistake you could do something better the industry's changed or whatever but I would say

a pretty consistent theme in my life is like I'm pretty regimented and organized and like how I like my days and the foods I like eating and I stay pretty consistent I'm not a big like huge curveball coming up this Wednesday like I understand someone

not wanting drastic changes. That, I can relate to that. Some people just kind of blow by the wind, wherever it takes you, see what happens. I could imagine at 82 years old, Jerry ain't really excited about hosting interviews for future coaches.

And then having to help out and, you know, sign off on new coordinators, new position coaches, probably feels like a pretty big pain in the ass. which like even if it should happen part of that also is like new schemes getting rid of some players

it is just a huge huge undertaking and I bet at 82 years old he was praying to God this would work and the third maybe he's just completely out of it and just everything he says completely doesn't matter which is obviously on the table the older you get that your comments hold less

and less weight and who knows what to believe anytime he talks because he's kind of all over the map. And I think it's probably a combination, a little bit of everything. But one thing I do believe coming into the season, as this season is unraveled, and as everything has taken place, no owner wants to go on a coaching search if they can't avoid it.

Like, in a perfect world, can you imagine what a pain in the ass of coaching search is? one, it takes a ton of time doing something that is a really educated guess at best, which has proven over and over and over again that even if you know what you're doing and have the right intentions and have the right focus on who you're looking for, it's still a low percentage that you are going to hit a home run higher. So I don't even blame Jerry for just wanting to avoid this and praying that Mike can just rattle off some wins, somehow get this team to like eight or nine wins and be like, you know what,

let's just keep this rolling for a couple more years. Here's a two-year $17 million contract extension. But, you know, Jerry finds a way to keep making news. And the other thing is, you know, what's funny is, you know, when you read explosive articles, like the one that came out about Aaron Rogers and the Jets last week, for most of my life, at least. I just assumed everything was true. Like when you read, because any time that a sports journalist writes an article and you get like, this is the reason he was fired, then he stopped talking to the owner and the owner had it out for him. You put all these pieces together about a player

and an agent or whatever. You're just like, this is crazy. And I read an article recently and then I texted someone involved in that organization. And they're like, you know, a lot of that article, and this is not someone that had an agenda or anything. Honestly, he didn't even care. It didn't even really impact him. He was like, it wasn't even true. It was actually the opposite of what was written. And obviously everything that's going on in society right now with a lot of the legacy media from newspapers to some of the prominent news channels that are dying on the vine right now, a lot of people try to justify it for different reasons, the changing of the things, the changing of the landscape, the internet, the options.

I do think there's just of, I don't really believe what I'm being told. So if you lose credibility with me as a consumer, I no longer come back to you. Obviously, there are other factors. But sometimes you read an article and you just assume everything is true, like about Aaron Rogers. When it came out that he was denying scans on his body, that he was. was telling people that, you know, him and Woody hate each other, that hell, Woody wanted him benched, that all these different elements. And I think sometimes you got to take some of

this stuff with a grain assault. But same thing when Aaron Rogers asked about McAfee, like I did, he denied it all. Said one, I haven't told anybody about what I plan on doing in 2025, but I've never declined a MRI or scan on a body part when I'm with the Jets. And I think all this stuff makes for great headlines and explosive stories because his name, Aaron Rogers, and he's one of the more polarizing players in sports. He's kind of the LeBron of the NFL. When you just put him into a story, people just gravitate to it. And when you read it, you are just, you know, probably going to believe it because so much crazy shit has happened that it is believable. But my take would be on just the entire Rogers situation

is that none of it really matters that the next coach and the general manager will determine what happens to him. And he even said as much today of like there is so much unknown that's out of my control who's going to be running this operation that we know is going to be two brand new people, that everything's on the table.

And that's the way it works in the NFL, right? because these contracts are guaranteed, and when new coaches and new GMs come in, that we usually see players up for grabs. There's no telling that, like, next year, Soss Gardner could be on the trading block around the combine and free agency. Or Garrett Wilson. Like, that's, or Brees Hall. I'm not saying that's going to take place, but we have seen way crazier.

It happens all the time. John Gruden got the raider job, and six months later, Kaleo Mack was on the Bears. in the prime of his career at the second most important position in the sport. So everything would be on the table, especially when you're talking about a 40-year-old quarterback who doesn't quite look like himself.

But I just think you just, you read some of these stories and trust me, I'm no different than you. I'm like, damn, this is, whoa, oh, damn, Woody. Jeez, Aaron. And then you start texting around and you're like, eh, it's not really the way it played out.

Like, that's not what happened. And I think, listen, this is a problem that you don't, you just assume things are true. And I do feel for, you know, coaches or definitely players when some of this stuff historically has been, you know, reported. And it just might not be true. And I'm not defending there. And I don't really give a shit. But I just think the Jets situation is just so far out of whack that you could write anything. And it would be believed because it is believable.

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Because we're getting this place called Tom's Thumb. We didn't travel back to Northern California, so we're just hanging out here. Kind of pretty low-key. We ordered Thanksgiving meal, because it's going to be the two of us, from this place called Tom's Thumb, which is Guy Fieri did one of his diners,

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sweet potato pie. I hate pumpkin pie. I just went with sweet. potato pie partly because I've never had sweet potato pie and the lady on the phone said actually it's pretty good people like it so I'm like let's get it but like I don't like I don't venture that far when it comes to desserts you know ice cream chocolate cake like I I don't get too crazy but I guess sometimes on Thanksgiving you got to you know deal with the hand that you're dealt so maybe we'll order a separate pie from somewhere else but I'm very excited to eat a lot of food and watch a lot of football, even if these games aren't great. And Tom Brady's, you know,

learning a lesson that this $37 million contract is going to force you to call the afternoon game, which is always going to be in Dallas. So you better pray that the Dallas Cowboys are good, because if they're not, your Thanksgiving's going to be ruined by Cooper Rush. But the morning starts with the Lions,

and they are a 10-point favorite at home against the Matt Iber Fluse-led Chicago Bears. And I was thinking, the last Thanksgiving, we had, my family actually all came to Arizona. And I remember having the game on. And remember at the time, Jordan Love's season had been pretty up and down and more down than up.

And in that first half, he was remarkable. And they were up, I think, 23 to 6 at half. And I remember thinking, like, didn't the Lions lose like 40 to 10 last Thanksgiving? and I looked and the final score was 29 to 22. Now the Packers scored eight points, or excuse me, the Lions scored eight points in the fourth quarter to make that score a little closer. But I think if you ask most people what happened last year's the Lions on Thanksgiving

is it got their ass kicked. I think we would agree on that. And here's the thing about the Lions, right? They've always got a Thanksgiving day game. And it was always kind of their Super Bowl because their teams usually sucked. So it was like really the one time of you, year if you're not a Lions fan that you're kind of forced to watch them start to finish

because for a lot of the last 20 plus years they weren't playing Monday night games they weren't playing primetime games like that was their big moment for a team that typically wasn't that good and then they finally get good and they host the game against the Packers who Aaron Rogers is now gone and they get killed so to me playing the Lions who are clearly better this year while it's it's the Bears not the Packers I think that they are going to try to be like what happened to us last year on Thanksgiving, fuck that. We are not allowing that to happen again.

I would, regardless who they were playing, I wouldn't want to be in this spot, playing Detroit, in Detroit, after last season. I can't even imagine how many times Dan Campbell brought up the egg that they laid last year on Thanksgiving, which now, like, their substance behind them playing.

By far, of the 16th playing, they're clearly the best. There's a gap between them and the Packers. I mean, hell, we just saw the lions went on the road in Green Bay in a rainstorm and kicked their ass. So I would not want to be Chicago. Now, on the bright side,

I'd be tempted to lay the 10 points for the Lions, but the Bears, once they fired Shane Waldron, are actually playing pretty well. Two weeks ago, they lost 2019, all because the field goal got blocked. Now, granted, a field goal got blocked the exact same way the following week, week, which cost them in a game that they lost by three points in overtime. But again, they were

just in overtime. So back-to-back weeks against an eight, three team and a nine and two team, they easily could have won both games. Now, I would say they had a much better chance of winning the Packer game, given that they were up in that than the Minnesota game that they needed to recover an on-side kick. But still, like, it was very admirable the way they have played. And their quarterback looks a lot better. Their offensive weapons look a lot better. DJ Moore looks a lot better. So I could not bet on Matt Iber flus. I refuse to do it.

And ultimately, I think if they lose this game, especially with the Lions cover, Iber Fluse has getting fired Friday or Saturday written all over it. Make Thomas Brown, the interim coach, give him like a trial run. The Bears have lost five straight games. Five straight games. Now, I would say there's a clear line between the moment they fired

Waldron, like the games they were losing to Arizona and New England. They have looked like a different team the last couple weeks because their offense has been, I would say, more than credible, and Caleb Williams has looked like a number one pick. But I just,

I don't know, man. I have a hard time. This is going to be a stay away for me because the only place I could go would be the Lions. I just can't trust Iberfluse. But you got to take the bears getting 10 points, given the way they've played. the last two weeks.

Pretty solid, though, morning game. The next game, which I would say looked pretty questionable on paper six months ago. Looks dramatically worse as we sit here on Tuesday afternoon. Tom Brady might be on an island and have to entertain us for three hours in a final score that could be like,

I don't know, 18 to 10 written all over it. Cooper Rush against Tommy DeVita? who's injured could be Drew Locke. I actually think of Drewlock plays. That'd be somewhat of an... Like, if you're the Cowboys, you would rather play DeVito than Drew Locke. But this is why...

Like, to me, the story of this game is just simply Tom Brady. You know, I... He's trying. He really is. I think Dan Patrick summed it up pretty well sometime in the last, I don't know, couple months.

I saw a clip of him on the internet. Like, it's not Tom Brady's fault that he doesn't know what good TV is. How would he? He was paid $350 million because of his name, because of the brand. He's not a TV guy. Tom Brady was a football player. Like, when you watch Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, it's like, those guys are TV guys. They've been doing TV now, I mean, Joe Buck for his entire life.

And Troy has been a full-time right-hand analyst for over 20 years. you know even you know Tony Romo was just his personality just was a pretty easy transition it had a happier Gruden meets Madden type feel and it was easy to see why he excelled Collinsworth is just a television star those guys can just kind of entertain and I'm interested to see you know I just watched Tom call the pack or nineer game. It's been rough. And I don't blame him.

It's not like they gave him this spotlight. Obviously, I don't, what was he going to do? Turn down $350 million to call NFL football games when he can fly day of the game or day before the game on a private jet. It's pretty fucking good gig if you can get it. But it could be rough. So buckle up. Have a stiff cocktail, you know, depending on where you live, right around kickoff.

Now, I would say the game of the day clearly is the night game. And for the most part, it feels like, because the Cowboy and Lions game, depending on the year, can be very hit or miss. Adding this third game, which it feels like they've been doing for a decade plus. But in recent memory, we have got good matchups. And at the start of the year, you went, hey, the dolphins have been the back-to-back playoffs. And the Green Bay Packers are one of the best organizations in football. So like it, looked a little weird when Tua got hurt. But since he's come back, they've won three straight games.

and it's just a very intriguing matchup. Here's the problem. It is freezing cold in Green Bay. Decent chance that the game is in the teens, and it could be snowing on Thursday night. I looked at some stats on Tuatanga by Loa. One, the dolphins in general have not been very good on prime time

in like their last 12 games. That game against the Rams helped their record out a lot because going into that game, they were two and eight in their last 10 games. After winning that game, they went to three and nine. So, or excuse me, they were two and nine. My math is, John, did you go to college?

Did you listen to high school? The answer is kind of and no, not really. But coming into the Rams game, they were two and nine in their last 11 primetime games. Winning that game, got them to three and nine. So they have not been great in bright light spots, but where they are really terrible. And this to me is a direct reflection of Tua, who actually has looked good these last couple weeks.

He's looked like a really good quarterback. He's looked like a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. He has been atrocious in cold games. And there's a difference in cold games, right? Like that Chief's game was frigid. It was like negative wind chills. I'm just talking games under 40 degrees. Under 40 degrees, Tua,

has not won a game in his last seven attempts. He is 0 and 7 in 40 degree or under games. And it's understandable. Doesn't have a great arm. His game doesn't really translate to freezing cold temperatures. And then you factor in the franchise, they play in tropical weather. It's fucking gorgeous.

I just a couple days ago, what was that? Last Friday? It was last Friday, Saturday? I played golf with a guy that lives in Miami. And I was like, what was the weather? He's like, play golf yesterday. It was gorgeous, like 80 degrees. No humidity. Beautiful. This is why, you know, these six months in Miami are hard to beat.

I'm like, yeah, same thing here. How do you relate to going in that weather? It's why I like Seattle last week. It's like Arizona, their last two big wins against the Jets and the Bears have been in Scottsdale or in Glendale in a controlled environment. then you've got to go to Seattle in late November where the weather, it can be cold, windy, and wet. It's a tough transition. And what happened to Arizona? They look terrible on offense. And Kyler is much more physically gifted with arm strength than Tua.

Now, this is Packers minus three and a half. That extra half point makes you a little nervous. But I have a simple philosophy. Like, I will bet against the Jets. I will just bet against the Jets. Who are the Jets playing this weekend? I will bet against them. I'll do the same thing with the Miami Dolphins when they play in cold weather,

as long as Tua is their quarterback. Now, what's weird about the dolphins is, you know, their defense under Mike McDaniel has been more than questionable. The last three weeks, now granted, they have played the Raiders, and they played the Patriots last week. They have held teams under 20 points. They have played, and they played the Rams. They have been playing very, very good defense.

I just think this is a mismatch. Like to me, this has like, I don't know, 27 to 10 written all over it and just a physical, like, we're used to playing in this, practicing it, and living in it, you're just not. So I like the dolphins.

And I'm not going to do something. I guess I will, will I talk about the Raider game before, Raiders Chiefs? I guess we can talk about it after we, we will do something in regards after these games are played, so I guess I can say something about the Raider Chiefs game

on Thursday night after this game finishes and we record a little something, something. But that spread, I look today, feels a little big, even though the Raiders are in complete shambles. The Chiefs don't really blow people out, and that spread is 12.5.

Pretty big number. Honestly, pretty bad reflection of the Raiders. Like, listen, we're 10 and 1. and we beat everybody, but we don't win games by much. But Vegas thinks you guys are that shitty. That's pretty embarrassing. But we'll get into that a little bit later. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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You know, I'm 24 years old. John, about to be 25 in two weeks. I tell my mom this all the time. I'm a single man. I've been single for a while. For two reasons. One, invested a lot of time in college football. So much parody.

Not a lot of time in terms of women and dates and stuff like that. But my second one, I've been living in a little studio for about a. a year and a half. So now we're, we're branching out to a one bedroom. Don't have to come over. We got a couch. We got a living room. You can come over, John, grab a beer. Like, the studio apartment was just not working. And I think part of it, hopefully my dating love life will increase because I'm in a one bedroom. So that's why it's a little dry in the background. Got the helmets still in the back. Haven't packed those yet. But yeah, we're moving to Old Town, man. It's going to be, it's going to be wild. If you can't get it done down there, you might as well just retire.

Some of these Scottsdale girls, man. I just don't know, man. But it's just the options are pretty endless. Oh, yeah, I would say. Good luck in your future endeavors now to Old Town Scottsdale. We'll stay locked in. No, but I'm excited. We've got a ton of questions. College football just continues to get better and better every week.

So I want to start out here. You've covered the sport 15 years plus. Is this the craziest college football season that you've covered or seen? Because, I mean, in the top 25 this season, we've had 49 upsets, whether it's a lower-ranked team being a higher-ranked team. And then my second question is, so much parading the sport,

what's rooted all of this? Well, I would say college football has dramatically changed in the NIL Transfer Portal era, and I think we're really feeling the impacts today

more than even the last couple years. Not that we didn't. I mean, we had good players that transferred to other teams, but now the dispersion of talent. Like, if it didn't exist, I think we would see LSU, Alabama, for example,

be a lot better than they are in terms of talent on their roster. And teams like Ole Miss, who has improved greatly, I mean, they're a disaster that are probably going to end up nine and three. Much closer to the mean of seven or six wins have they've always been, but they have players that would have been on the other team's rosters because they can buy them. and I just think you're seeing these teams like what the hell is the difference of like I'm just watching Oklahoma play Alabama and you just watch the talent

plus conference realignment right Alabama never had to play Oklahoma on the road like that was just a game that did not exist and I think the more and more you have to play these games it just makes it more difficult look at you know the Big Ten just adding Oregon USC it's just an extra game of not a patsy. And obviously Oregon's better than S.C, but you know what I mean. So I think a lot has to do with the transfer portal.

And I don't think this is going to stop. It's going to be a lot more like the NFL. Now, the good teams are always going to be the good teams because they have more money. But I think it's going to be much more difficult. You know, for a good team with a tough schedule to go undefeated, those days are probably going to be few and far between. Because it never, in the NFL, you have an incredible season if you're 14 and 3. Like maybe we need to change our mindset of like 10 and 2, if you're, play in a big conference is a great season.

Yeah, I saw a couple, I saw a tweet actually. It was a couple years ago when it was the four team format. And it was like a 10 and 2 team was like ranked 5 in the country. And now it's like if you're 10 and 2, you're ranked 16th, 17th, 15th in the country. So you're right. The parody in the sport, the transfer portal. It's chaotic. That leads me to my second question.

Which loss is worse? Nine Ole Miss losing at Florida or seven Alabama losing a Oklahoma. I actually think Florida's pretty good. And if you put them in the dance right now, I think a lot of people would bet on them to like beat Penn State or, or let me rephrase. I don't think it's inconceivable that they could beat like Penn State or Notre Dame on a neutral site, right, with their talent.

I mean, just watch them. Like defensively, they got dudes, obviously the young quarterback, the young running back are good. What's your question again? No, you're good. I was just saying which loss, Ole Miss on the road to Florida or Alabama. Oklahoma. I mean, both teams were in the driver's seat. And now it's like both teams, I think I saw

Ole Miss is 4% to make the CFP and then Alabama's like 11% and people are still thinking that SEC bias, which we'll get into later, that Alabama can still make it. But which loss do you think's worse? I think we also got to preface this all by both these were on the road.

Like playing at the swamp and playing at Norman at night is not easy. Now, Oklahoma this year has been a disaster on offense. I mean, statistically, I think their offense was one of the worst in the country. And from the eye test, they've, I mean, they bench Jackson Arnold, they went to the other kid, then they benched him and went back to Jackson Arnold, who probably had his finest moment

in the program. And I actually give Venables a lot of credit, because in the Transfer Portal era, to get benched in his shoes, and he was what, like the third or fourth quarterback in Archmanning's class, like he was right there, Nico, like he's a hyped guy. he didn't like fuck you guys I'm out he stayed when I went to the Texas game he was there playing catch I forget the the backup quarterback Michael Hawkins Jr the other guy Hawkins he was like playing he was playing catch with him in warmups like he was into it so like you deserve credit in a day and age where how often in that situation does the Jackson Arnold ever play another snap for Oakland

especially with the whole UNLV thing with Matthew Sluka he could have said you know what I'm a red shirt I'm going to leave, but he stayed. And they didn't even throw the football in Alabama either. I mean, he ran for like 115 yards, 120 yards. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine Jackson Arnold that's a starting quarterback for Oklahoma next year at this pace. If he just can't turn the ball over. I would say neither lost. Is that crazy?

Like Alabama, their team just, Nick Sabin last year had one of the greatest coaching years in the history of his life. It's insane. And let's face it, they got a little lucky. They easily could have lost a couple games and they won the odds. Auburn game on a last second. It wasn't quite a Hail Mary because he threw it like Aaron Rogers or Brett Farb. He didn't have to heave it. But it was

a 40-yard bomb in the back of the end zone to win the game. You lose. They're not in the playoff, right? I'm pretty sure they lose. They're not even in the SEC championship game. No. So it would have derailed everything. I guess my overall take is like I don't think these losses are that crazy. I think we act like

it's 2015. Those days are over. The difference of these teams. Oklahoma's good on defense. DJ Lagway is really, really good. You know, it's like, I don't know. I don't think it's really that nuts. This is not 2014 Alabama. It was a 20-point favorite where if they would have lost this, would have been the credit. We've already seen them lose to Vanderbilt, right? We saw that happen. I think what makes their season crazy is they, you know, for a half, they beat the living piss out of Georgia. Like, that's one thing that's like, God, how did that happen? I think clearly if they played again, Georgia would probably win.

right at Alabama at Georgia neutral field so overall take I don't think these upsets are as crazy as the way we're like you know not brainwashed but just wired with college football all of our life like those days are over

I think I was just more shocked by Ole Miss because they beat George at home coming off of a by week their defensive front looked unstoppable Jackson Dart looked great came back off the ankle injury and then they just kind of fell flat to Florida So my next question to you is But there's a good example

Like Jackson Dart Everyone's been hyping this guy up Yeah He has some bad moments early in the season Then they get it rolling a little bit I mean they beat Georgia In a driving rainstorm Right

It wasn't like It was a tough place to play Carson Beck was awful Jackson Dart was making throws in that game That looked like an undrafted free agent Like it was pretty embarrassing his decisions Now he wore it after the game He was in tears

I saw his press conference But Like the hook He threw it One ball in the end zone, they threw in a triple coverage. Yeah. And it was like a minute 58 left, three timeouts on a 39-yard line. Then they get the ball back.

Then they got the ball back. Through two interceptions. One was dropped. Then threw another one. So basically threw three interceptions in one minute. I do think, and I'm not an SEC historian, but if they win this week, which I would imagine is the egg bowl, right? They're playing Mississippi State. Then they win their bowl game.

it would be one last year is the first time in the regular season they've ever won back-to-back double-digit games and this would be three straight years of double-digit wins like you guys aren't Alabama LSU or Ohio State like it's a remarkable run your Ole Miss enjoy it $20 million in NIL though to not make the 12th team playoff I don't know they've been brown bagging people there forever just a little more

yeah that's true I was going to ask you then we'll move on to the next one in terms of Alabama I mean you're a former scout what's been going on with Jalen Milrow? Just the inconsistencies from him. And then my second question is we kind of saw Pennix with DeBoer. Year one was fine. Year two, he comes in and just takes off.

Do you kind of think because Milro has one more year left that he would go or do you think there's so much hype around him that he'll go and probably be a first second round quarterback? Well, Michael Panix was a pocket quarterback re-defenses, chuck that thing around like an NFL player. Jalen Milrow is like advanced version of what the Colts were hoping for Anthony Richardson kind of run around

and make some big plays. He's not like I don't think even if he wanted to come back, Cailin Dubour, if you think about the quarterbacks Cailin Dubour became Cailin Dubour with on the national level was Jay Canter, who was a fifth round pick at Fresno State, who was originally at Washington, and then Michael Pennix. These are pocket quarterbacks.

Jalen Milrow is kind of a run-around remember a couple years they benched Jalen Milro last year, right, in the second or third game of the season. Yeah. So I think this thing's over and I listen,

he's obviously a very physically gifted guy but when it just comes to throwing the ball in the pocket being calm, cool, collected, it's not really his thing. I saw a clip on Instagram of A.J. McCarran say it's kind of like meshing of two philosophies.

The way DuBore wins with his offense is not the way Jalen operates and they've tried to adapt but it's just hard and obviously the best player on their team potentially is the 17 year old maybe he's 18 now but it's hard to get him the ball unless you're just kind of scrambling

throwing bombs. Yeah in the era of the transfer portal two people are already saying that he's going to transfer after this season because of what's going on this year. I know this if I was a quarterback who was good like the equivalent of you know the Pennix is the Bo Nix

whoever Will Howard, whoever the top transfer portal becomes and we know there's always like 10. I would be all over DeBore and Alabama, wouldn't you? I mean, with the talent they're going to have on offense and an offensive head coach. That's why it's tough for him because Alabama said Alabama Ohio State are one of those spoiled fan bases. I remember you talking about it on your podcast a couple weeks ago about how Alabama fans have been so spoiled.

And then you lose two games. You freak out. You lose three. Everyone's freaking out. But it's like, Caitlin DeBore was the perfect hire. It's his first year. Let's relax.

He doesn't have most of his guys. You're right, too. The identity of the quarterback position is not one that he's used to heading in. Like he just kind of just came into Milro. Yeah, he didn't get to choose a guy. And what was he supposed to do? They just went toe to toe to with Michigan. And it happened in like February, I think, too.

So it was like after the portal and then he had to wait until spring transfer portal, guys leaving, guys coming in. So, but speaking of the portal, how do you view Indiana 10 and 1 after their blowout loss to Ohio State? I don't take him seriously anymore. That second half, I think they had after the first drive, I mean, the quarterback threw for under 100 yards. And this Ohio State team isn't exactly known, like some of trestles dominant defenses of the urban Myers. Like this is, that's not the vibe here.

They don't got Joey, Nick Bosa and Chase Young running after you. But like they got lucky because I think if every, if Chalk just would have handled business on Saturday and all those upsets wouldn't happen, if A&M would have won, Ole Miss would have won in Alabama. would have won, I would have said Indiana shit out of luck. But, like, three losses is a lot different than one, even if your schedule's easier. I think, I don't even know who they're playing this week, but Purdue.

Yeah, they're who's, I think, like, the worst team in the Big Ten, right? Yeah. So I would have, I got no problem with Indiana getting in, given that these teams have three losses. If all those teams had two losses, I would feel no sympathy if they got left out. And I think they would be in grave danger of getting left out. But I, do you agree? Like it feels like they're in. Yeah, they're in.

I was going to compare it to like the final four. The last power for seed though, whatever that is. Yeah, I think right now you're going to have a 10 and one Indiana. You're going to have the loser of the ACC game. You could potentially have Clemson, South Carolina, depending on how that game goes this weekend. And then you would start to get into the Alabama's of the world, potentially squeaking their way back in.

but I think it's got to be Indiana. I mean, it sucks because they're probably going to get blown out the first round. And I kind of compare it when I went to the Final Four last year where the product wasn't the greatest because all the games, Yukon just blew everyone out. So I think if you're the CFP, you kind of sit back and you're like, damn, like we don't want any blowout games, especially for television ratings, money wise and stuff like that. But they've always had they've always had blowouts. I think the average margin of victory once they went to the final four from the championship game. whatever, what year of that start, like 14 or 15. I think the average margin of victory in the semifinal games was pretty big for like a six-year span.

So it's, I mean, it's inevitable. Could you argue that if Notre Dame were to lose this weekend, USC, they'd still be in? Or would they be screwed? They'd be screwed too. Yeah, they'd be screwed. That NAU loss, man, it's just too tough. But hopefully they can come back and beat USC. We'll see.

But my next question for you, ever since I was born, the SEC has dominated the college football world. this season, the SEC went no divisions. Last week, Greg Sanky complained that, you know, on Twitter, that his top teams based on strength of schedule should get in the playoff over in Indiana. And then this all happens last week. So my question to you is, how do you view what's happened with the SEC? And do you think the SEC bias is going to carry on to the playoff?

Where year were you born? 99, barely. Jesus. Yeah. Make me feel old. That's a good year to be born. You had, you born right, you never even had shitty internet. Once you came into your own, you just had good high speed Wi-Fi.

Yeah, yeah. And a television front of my face, yeah. Half of my life, if you said the word Wi-Fi, no people would look at you like, what, is that a dish at a restaurant? I would say the SEC bias exists simply because Nick Saban won, whatever, six championships over the last whatever years. We have several other Cam Newton championship, LSU championship. like we have seen other championships.

Ohio State basically lands Urban Meyer when he quits the SEC after dominating at Florida multiple national championships and immediately takes them to a national championship. And then the draft every year speaks for itself. They always have the most players drafted. Like I was talking to Colin about this. And listen, I get Joel Klaas' loyalty.

He's part of the Big Ten, essentially, right, at Fox. And Danny Cannell's and ACC, guy at Florida State they just they get so angry at the SEC but I think if you don't have any bias I didn't go to any of these schools I want to fucking Cal Poly

I just watch college football because I love it my whole life if you watch Auburn against A&M or Oklahoma against Alabama and you didn't know like the rankings or who's good who's bad you would just think like look at all the good players

on Auburn like their speed like how many guys if let's just take 10 schools in the Big Ten, not named Ohio State or even probably Michigan. How many guys at Iowa or Minnesota or Wisconsin or Nebraska would they want off Auburn's roster or Oklahoma's roster on their roster? Would they cut immediately their guy to take that guy? It'd be a ton. And that's where it's like, listen, I get like, well, they're seven and five.

They're not that good. Just watch them play, especially at home. because their environments, I think we have to acknowledge, are way harder to play. And now because of the TV deals, I saw ESPN just tweeted out like the television ratings. These SEC games,

I mean, like five to 10 million people are watching them all at night because they got the night slots now. And these environments look incredible. Like I wouldn't say Norman Oklahoma is known for like being the most incredible home field. And that place at night was rocking.

So I think, think when you factor in like the NFL talent all these schools have like they've earned the bias big 10 could change it like what would the big 10 do if the pack 12 hadn't dissolved and they didn't just get to add a organ we'd be talking about the conference being a joke it's like their house state well how state's been good i don't know i've been alive 40 years that entire time probably even longer like Penn state no one takes seriously everyone's making fun in indiana like what would they be like they're like claim in oregon like Oregon's been there for fucking five minutes.

So, like, I don't know. The other, and the other two conferences, we all acknowledge, like, yeah, they're lucky to get one, right? Did you say, like, do you think the ACC might get two now? Is that like a game? They might, yeah, they'll probably get two because both teams being one loss. And if both teams bearing that Miami doesn't lose to Syracuse next week,

I don't know who SMU plays, but they probably play some lower ranked team in the ACC. So Clemson's out, correct? Yeah, they, I mean, you never know. with the chaos, they technically still have South Carolina. So they finish their conference games. So if Miami or SMU loses, they would get, or not SMU because they clinch,

but if Miami loses, they would get in the ACC championship. But it's slim, but they still have a chance if they beat South Carolina to get in as a at large. So, but Miami plays Florida State this week, right? I think Miami plays Syracuse. Oh, no, that game already happened, actually. Yeah, yeah, that game already happened. But to your point about the Big Ten, like,

everyone's complaining about Indiana's schedule being so weak, like most of that most of their schedule is the Big Ten conference being six and five five and six seven four teams like it's exactly like everyone's ripping their schedule

they just played a pretty normal big ten schedule right I mean in those teams like we just look you just beat the shit out of Nebraska like you just don't get that much credit for that which is not necessarily their fault but these are the the current

the current situation, the actual world we're living in is these teams are just not that good. I wish they were good. I want Nebraska to be good. And every time I watch them, I'm like, God, Rial is the most overrated player in recent memory. But that is like,

but now who's Michigan? Like all the hype on Michigan's going to be around this Underwood kid. Who, like, all of our lives that we've been following, like college basketball isn't typically like this. If there's a guy at Underwood's level, like the hype at that level, or Rola's level, even if the guy doesn't live up to the hype

except the number one overall pick he's like the seventh pick or the 12th pick in the NBA draft in college football it's like this guy's gonna change the program two years later he's like third string now with transfer portal he's just gone so it's like

we know the SEC whether the hype or not like their recruits always turn into big time players I think the Big Ten some of these schools the hype hasn't matched the actual player which has been a major problem for, you know,

Rola being average, I don't want to say fuck Nebraska, but it obviously had a huge impact. If Underwood doesn't live up to the hype, which is going to be huge, it's going to be a problem. I had never heard of C.J. Stroudan out, and I don't follow recruiting, like, some,

but, like, he just started, obviously he was a big recruit. He's at Ohio State, but, you know, it was like, damn, this guy can play. And that, you know, I think sometimes now with the money, it just has derailed, it's hard. I've heard a story about Riola. he like lives at this super nice house

kind of by himself with some family like Matt liner when he was going to school just like had a house probably with like Reggie Bush and like an offensive lineman and it's those and listen you could still brown bad guys back then but it was everyone was kind of together and you just played with whoever you came in

with the class and then the class under you for like three or four years and now it's like everyone's kind of it's almost like pro sports but also kind of not it's just a very bizarre time if you don't have the right culture and you're breaking off these freshmen

for millions of dollars, which are mainly just the quarterbacks, and then they don't live up to it. Imagine being like a guard at Nebraska. Let's just say you're making 80 grand from the NIL. And you're a good player. You're like going to be an NFL guy one day. And you see this Rola guy

who everyone has been circle jerking for, it feels like probably around the program for several years. I think his uncle's on the staff. Now granted, like they played there. his dad's a legendary player and all you do is hear about this and then you start playing the games

you're like well what are we doing this isn't really working and that's to me how resentment starts you see it in the NFL but what eventually happens the guy gets bench guy gets cut in college now with NIL it's harder you know it's like what are you going to do bench

Dylan Riola because he has a bad three games and hell no yeah I was I was going to ask you my next question you talked about Bryce Underwood long commit of LSUD commits and goes to Michigan for a guaranteed NILD of $12 plus million. What if a program signs a guy like this,

expectations got to be national championship or money's not worth it for this kid? Like what are the expectations for Underwood heading in? And then my second question is, is this a good move for Michigan? Because we even talked last week. Like you even said, I have a hard time paying $10, $12 million to a freshman

when I could go out and get a transfer portal guy five years senior that played a lot of college football for like four or five or even less than that. I would never in a million years, like the NFL you have to draft somebody, but the draft slot where you pick them is set. Right. What NIL has turned into, especially, you know, with recruiting a freshman, it's much more like free agency. You get to pick and choose.

And stories, you know, people, and I've talked to some people, like Kirby Smart is not comfortable. paying huge amounts of money for high school recruits at quarterback. So why Riola is at Nebraska, not at Georgia. I would, so to answer the second part of your question, I would not be in the business of giving millions of dollars to a high school quarterback. I think that is fucking insane. I mean, I watched Arch Manning come in in that Georgia game.

Like, do you know an underrated story about Arch Manning that no one's going to talk about until next year? Like, doesn't have the greatest arm. Like, he's not, this is not Josh Allen. I was close to him when he was warming up. He's big, but he's like a baseball pitcher that's 6-4 that throws 92. He's not throwing 100 miles an hour. And I don't think most people realize that. Like, he's much more like Peyton.

So it's like he's going to look differently than I think like people expect Caleb Williams with an arm or even Jane Daniels. That's not really his thing. So listen, I've never, besides some clips on Twitter of Bryce Underwood, to me it's national champions like at some out of his control like their team has to be good so it's on the coach and the program but anything less than being like a potential first round pick after you know a year or two starting where it's pretty clear he's one of the best players in the country is just is a complete waste of resources because while there's no salary cap like the NFL these programs don't have unlimited millions right and soon it's going to be capped, right? Yeah, they got $50 million in NIL for Michigan this year because of Oracle's CEO and like the alums they have and stuff too. But you're right. There's no salary cap right now. I think the NCAA is trying to get that over. But if you got $50 million, then hopefully you can recruit.

Yeah, if you have $50 million, it's hard to screw that up. Yeah. Right. But Larry Ellison, the Oracle guy, he's not even a Michigan alum, right. He's just dating the chick that went to Michigan. I think you're right. I think you're right. I talked to someone that's kind of in the loop, or at least, you know, has secondhand heard some things. This isn't, they're cutting him a $12 million check. It's like a year by year. You know, you get a couple million dollars.

You hit incentives. Like, you got to stay with the program. But I don't know, man. If you had to say, does this work or it doesn't work? I would say it does not work. Right. The other thing is like, and here's what I do respect about Arch. Arch is pretty low key, right?

He's been a backup now for a couple years. If it doesn't work, it's not going to derail the program. It would be a big story if it just turns out arches, let's just say not as good as Quinn yours or something, right? Because people are going to expect a huge upgrade when he starts. Which I'm telling you right now, I think people, be careful what you, like, and I'm not saying he's going to be bad, but people are expecting to see like Tim Tebow meets Cam Newton, meets Caleb Williams, like the greatest college football

player of all time. And I'm just not sure that's going to take place. But I would say the same thing with, Underwood, right? What are Michigan fans going to expect when this guy starts playing? Because fair or not, and who knows, these numbers get out, it's not like this public information. What if he's only making like a million dollars next year?

Everyone's like, oh, this $15 million kid. Do you have to start him immediately? Like, if Nebraska didn't have to, would they have just taken a deep breath and started someone else and let Riala come into it? Or do they just have no choice? Now, maybe, you know, like Nebraska, it's not like Michigan has better options on the roster right now. but I don't know.

Like, have you watched this kid play at all on YouTube or anything? No, I haven't, no. Yeah, I'm like you. I'm not a big high school guy, but to your point about Arch Manning, like, I think people get so enamored of him playing this season. He's had some reps started.

He's played against U.O. Monroe, UTSA, and Colorado State is what Archmanning has. So he hasn't faced any type of pressure. So to me, like, when people are so enamored by Archmanning, making all these throws and stuff, it's like, okay, but how about Nick's, Scorton from Texas A&M running you down. How are you going to do?

And then he played in Georgia, and he couldn't do anything against Georgia. No. In fairness, I mean, they got four NFL guys. But I haven't looked at their schedule in 25. I would imagine it's not easy in the SEC where he's going to be the starter. And in fairness, you know, and I respect Sark about this. They usually play someone real in the non-conference. Like, it's, you're playing real teams.

I guess overall, I saw some clips of, you know, BK, who's getting crushed. because of their season, and this is like added negativity on, this becomes much worse. If LSU was undefeated, it'd be like, oh, Brian didn't even want him anyway, right? But when you're having a shitty season, it's like, oh, are we losing it? I would say, would not shock me at all if this is not a big deal at all for LSU. And I would not be in, I don't think it's crazy. One, I mean, the way you described it and seeing Larry Ellison's name on all these,

maybe they just, they didn't have, they couldn't compete with the offer. which what are you supposed to do if you can't compete with the offer? There's literally nothing you can do. And two, do you really want, I just think it's a very slippery slope when we're talking this much money with college kids? Like, what the fuck is this guy? And I'm not against him getting paid, but how weird is it for literally everyone else on the team?

Like Michigan's going to have some right tackle who's making a couple hundred grand who might be, what if by the end of the year he's a way better prospect than this other guy? And he's like, God, this guy pulls up. up in a Rolls Royce. We don't even see him. He doesn't hang out with the team. He just gets weird. I feel you. All right. Let's get back to some football talk. What happened last weekend. I want to talk about this team because we're both in Arizona. Arizona State Sun Devils, one went away from the Big 12 title. Kenny Dealingham in year two, nine and two, the sudden turnaround. What's your overall reaction by this team? Because 16, they were picked 16th before the season in the Big 12. And now

their odds on favor to win the Big 12 right now. Kenny Dillingham is my, he's a absolute nut job. I mean, that video of him surrounded by the fans screaming at the referees. With his wife behind him. Who turned around after he started like screaming F bombs at him is everything that I love about like the type of human being I want in my life. Now, they should never have been in that situation. Like what was he doing at the end of the game?

Like having his quarterback run around. It was a disaster. If that was an NFL game with what was on the line, like two playoff teams, he would have got eviscerated. I mean, because it was, you started doing the math when they still had some time out. You're like, Kenny, how's this going to work? Like, you're still going to have six or seven seconds, or it was going to be like 12 or 13 seconds on fourth down.

Your quarterback, like, is he going to be able throw it in the air high enough after running around for five minutes? Even the play before on third down? It could have gotten really bad, really fast. I know he was mad, but it was like, Kenny, you were flirting with disaster there. There was like 50 seconds left. 50 seconds left. Cam Scouted, but one of the best running backs gets four yards.

You're on the three yard line. You're up five. Why not score and be up 12 with 40 seconds left? Yeah, I agree. But what do you make of like their turnaround? Because I think in the new age of college football, and let's face it, the younger generation would now with the Transit Portal and NIL. They're more sensitive to hard coaching.

And I feel like a guy like Kenny DeLiam, he coaches hard, but he's also personable and can relate because of his age. And I think that kind of translates to their play this season. I think he's a cool story because, you know, this is a guy that did not play football in college. Like he got hurt a senior year in high school tours ACL here in Scottsdale. Like he's from this area. First time I ever heard about him is when I first moved to Scottsdale,

probably late 2021 when I was coming here a lot. I played golf with a couple guys at the Phoenician. And by, you know, it always comes up and what I'm doing and what they do. And we start talking football. And this guy tells me, he's like, you know, my neighbor, their son is the offensive coordinator at the University of Oregon. He's a big time up-and-coming coach. His name's Kenny Dillingham.

And I didn't know much about him. But when Dan Lannning first got the job, that was his guy. And what he's done a couple years later, or Arizona State, like, I don't think most people realize because everyone talks about Dion Sanders constantly, and rightfully so. I mean, Colorado, and they got, you know, two guys that are going to be drafted potentially, like one and two. Dillingham not only does not have two guys are going to be drafted one and two, I doubt they even have a guy that's going to sniff, I don't know, the top 50 in the draft. He is one win away from being coach of the year in the Big 12.

Like, Dionne Sanders is not going to be the coach of the year. And you could argue, like Dillingham would deserve it because like, you know, Dion's had a great turnaround, but he does have the two best players in the country potentially. Dillingham has a white running back from Sack State that's his best offensive player, who kind of is pretty sweet. Looks like Mike Allstop. No, he's phenomenal, man. And their transfer portal recruiting class was ranked 66 in the country. So on top of that, they kind of call themselves like the team of misfits, but overall just an unreal story for Arizona State. They picked to finish last in the Big 12, I think.

Yeah, they're picked to finish 16th, coming off a 9 and 3-9 season, Bull ban, a bunch of chaos. And then I like him after talking about how these players deserve to get paid because, I mean, we both live here. Like Phoenix is such a big city. So much going on, so much pro teams. So I think it's also cool for him to say, hey, let's start paying NIL. You just kind of hope long term that ASU can keep him because I got like this, if he goes to like an Auburn or like a Florida, not Florida, Napier there now he's doing well but I mean the sky's the limit for him to be at an SEC school I think he is one year away I don't know I saw fine bomb saying that there probably weren't

going to be that many jobs opening up this season so we might be a cycle away but he wins he doesn't need to win 10 next year he wins eight or nine again at Arizona State I think he is a lock like to be the hot name and call it or one of them you know at Arizona State this program has been a joke. Herm Edwards got fired with coach for five years. ESPN's like, we'll rehire you. I was like, oh, you're going to talk about college football? He does the landscape. No, he doesn't even speak about it.

It shows you, I mean, I had people telling me that Herm couldn't name half his team. It was an embarrassment when he was here. It really was. And obviously, they had a lot of good players over the years, and it never turned into much. And I'd even say most of my, you know, you were born in 99,

when I was in college in the mid-2000s and you were like four or five, they had Dennis Erickson. And they actually had some like, you know, they recruited pretty well. But it always felt like something was missing and they could never quite get it going.

And it goes back to like, you know, Jake Plummer, they had a couple moments, you know, the Tillman years with Jake Plummer. But for the most part, this program's kind of,

I don't even want to say underachieving because you live here, you realize no one really cares. But if they could make you care, I do think they could be a big deal. One, it's way easier to get. there than it is to go to a NFL game. And it's obviously way cheaper.

And you watch that environment, it actually is pretty cool. Even if you live where I live in North Scottsdale, you're 20 minutes away from there. And if they're playing, you know, cool teams, I actually think that they could get a little life. Now, you know, you start getting, he wins nine games next year. You get, you know, $60 million offer from some SEC school. What's Arizona State going to do? And he just has to leave because you just go, is it sustainable?

then I part of the reason he's banging the table because he knows the only way he can compete is to pay the players and I remember when I first uh I was flipping around channels early on when when he got hired and they do training camp and Flagstaff because it's so hot you know in Tempe which makes sense in August it's 175 degrees and he said that someone asked like who is that old man you know at training camp standing next year and he described the guy that was really their only donor that gave Kenny Dealingham a million dollars. I forget his name, but he's some businessman, you know, around the program. And they were fucked. Because Dillingham, when he first got hired, said, if we don't, if I don't raise some money, my entire team's going to transfer. I'm not going to have a, we're not going to have a football team. And he's like, this is the only guy that stepped up.

And the guy asked me at the start of training camp, he's like, where do you want me to stand during practice? And Kenny Dillingham said, you can walk to the middle of the fucking huddle. This program doesn't exist without you. And it was like, you realize how can Dan Laining relate to that at Oregon or DeBoard, Alabama. I mean, this is the thing with NIL, it's kind of the haves and the have-nots. Even this is the thing with Colorado.

Like, Dion doesn't have NIL issues there. I mean, his kids are on KFC commercials and all-state commercials. Like, they're living large. Yeah, speaking of Colorado, spoke too soon about the Colorado Buffalo's tough loss against another hot team in the country. Like the two hottest teams in the country right now, you texted me this. Kansas, what a turnaround by Kansas, but kind of talk about

what you saw in that game. It sucks. Colorado does not control their destiny. The only way they make the Big 12 title is BYU, Iowa State, Arizona State. Two of those teams have to lose next week. Other than that,

they're not going to make the Big 12 title. Yeah, I mean, I think Kansas, I've heard a bunch of people say the stat is the first under 500 team to beat three straight ranked teams. They were a preseason

potential. playoff team, right? And then they lost all the one-score games. They didn't just beat Colorado. They kind of beat their ass. My gambling guy, Stucky, was on that matchup like two weeks ago. He's like, I'm looking ahead, and that's a game at Kansas. They're going to be a dog against Colorado if they keep winning, hammer that. And I had been betting Colorado. Now, I stayed away, but it was clear earlier. Like, this is the difference, like Colorado came back from Texas Tech, but you're like, they can come back. This game, there was a physicalness to him. I think they're running back. went for like 250 yards.

I mean, just even Dion said, like, we got our ass kicked. So I, yeah, man, it sucks because I think Colorado, Arizona State would have been pretty sweet. But, yeah, I mean, they got, I would say if you could just restart the season right now, Kansas would be a problem. They would be a problem. So I don't even think that loss is that crazy. Like, Kansas is just pretty good. It's not your typical, like, you know, Auburn beating A&M is a crazy upset. I think going into the game, Kansas was like a two or three point underdog.

Now, granted, it was at home, arrowhead, but... I was just shocked that Colorado could just not stop them once because it felt like Colorado would get within one possession, they needed a critical stop, and then Devin Neal, Jalen Daniels. Like, Kansas probably has like two or three guys that will get drafted in the top three rounds. Like, Devin Neal is a stud running back, and they held the ball for 40 minutes time possession versus Colorado's 19. Crazy.

do think, you know, I mean, that that loss derails probably Colorado's championship hosts with derails their bowl hopes, which is a problem for Colorado's bowl, right? If you want Colorado in a bowl that's not a playoff game, Travis Hunter and Chodorant Sanders are not going to play. So it makes it a little less. You think so? You think so because of Dion? Or will he be like, you know what?

We want you healthy for the NFL. You think Travis Hunter would play in a meaningless bowl game that's not the play? playoffs. I don't know. I mean, it never happens. These guys are the two top five picks. The Pop-Tarts bowl was pretty special last year. Well, listen, I'm a sucker for the bowls, but I also think, you know, if Dion, Dion's going to be fascinating this next month. The thing is not that many jobs are open and he easily could just stay another year if he doesn't go to the NFL, which maybe he doesn't want to go to the NFL. He's tailor-made for college because he got that big recruit that announced on McAfee's show.

And everyone makes a big deal. Like, these recruits, if Dion next year goes to Auburn or Florida State, like his start, that left tackle 77, the number one overall recruit, the new quarterback, like, everyone realized, these guys can just go with him, right? So it's, everyone hipes up these commitments. Same thing with Underwood. Like, if Underwood doesn't like Michigan and he can just leave. Like, commitments don't mean as much as they did are in time.

life where it's like, God, this guy signed with LSU. Do you remember Landon Collins when he picked Alabama over LSU and his mom got really mad at the Under Armour game? That was a big deal because it was like, this guy's just going to Alabama. That's where he's going to play. Like he's not going to now if that happened, you'd be like, well, if he doesn't like it at Alabama, he can just transfer to LSU. So before it was like you kind of, it was like a marriage with not really an out with a divorce

because if you did transfer, you had to sit out a year. Who the fuck wants to do that? Last question for you. Biggest game of the weekend. Texas Longhorns at Texas A&M. Winner of this game will play Georgia in the SEC championship. What's your early look ahead when you look at this matchup? A&M come off a tough loss at Auburn.

Texas on the road probably going to be, if they win this game, their best win of the season because they don't really have any ranked wins on their schedule. Texas, though, Quinn Ewers is dealing with an ankle injury. So to your point earlier about Arch Maining, if Arch Maining plays, we're going to know a lot about them early in a hostile environment of Kyle Field.

I think Texas could easily lose this game. I mean, assuming that A&M just didn't go into the tank, which they shouldn't, because if they win this game and they're in the SEC championship game, they kind of control their own destiny, right? Because if they win, they automatically get in. We saw that game against LSU at night was insane. I don't know. I mean, I, Arch or not Arch, but Quinn Ewer's,

something's been off with that team, honestly, for weeks. You just watch them play. They just feel kind of lifeless is probably the wrong way to put it. But every game is like 14 to 10. It's like, what is going on? We know how talented this team is. We know how explosive their offenses. I mean, when I watch them against Oklahoma, I'm like,

this team is just going to overwhelm team with talent. You know, defensively, they're stacked. And offensively, they have two running backs who can play. The wide receiver number seven is a baller. But you can just get these guys on quick screen. and they can take it 50. Yet you watch them against like Kentucky's and the Arkansas.

It's like, why is it so hard for them to get a 10-point lead? So I just don't trust Texas. They have been, they've been winning games, which is what matters. But I know you watch them

because your buddies on the staff. Like, don't they just look something's just off? Yeah, I think that game against Michigan, both Ewers and Texas, you looked at them and you're like, okay, this seems a national championship contender. Like, Ewers was throwing it all over the yard. The play calling from Sarkeye,

He was aggressive. And then you're right. Since he got hurt and came back, they've just been so stagnant. And they haven't really gotten the running game going. They did a little bit against Kentucky. But you're going to be against the front seven. And I'm worried about the offensive line of Texas

because this Texas A&M front seven, Nick Scorton, and what they have is the second or third best in the SEC. So if their offensive line struggles, Ewers doesn't particularly respond well from that. But I think you're right. This Texas team, like the odds right now they're the third best or fourth best to win.

And it's like plus 500, but you don't even feel like confident in betting them because they've been so up and down. I'd be stunned by 10. I'd be stunned if they won the national championship. Stunned. Stunned. They could easily win this week.

Like it's, you know, it's not like I have a lot of fit. You know, A&M, they were down 21 to nothing against Auburn team. So who knows? I mean, college football. Now, they've been bad on the road. But I have a hard time seeing it Sark host, hoist the national championship trophy.

Which is way off. Because they brought everyone back on offense, and their defense was way better, and they were right there toe to toe to with Michigan. They should have been in the title game, and it feels like, in a weird way, they're worse. I don't know. Now, they lost a couple of detackles, obviously, who are really good. I mean, the dude of the Titans, sweat, the big guy, and Murphy, but still, to me, it's yours.

He just looks kind of as you, what generation are you, Gen Z? Yeah, I think Gen Z millennial. Yeah. You're definitely not a millennial. I don't know, 80 to like maybe 99. Maybe you're the last year of millennial. I would say he's pretty mid, as the kids would say. Average.

Like to me, he's... If I was a GM, obviously he's a draftable player. He would just be like, I would not draft the player. I'd be acknowledged like, yeah, third, fourth, whoever, if someone wants him. But he's a no draft for my team. that's like what's been of one of the more not disappointments

but last year you had so much dominant elite quarterback play it just feels like this year it's been so inconsistent like heading into the year it was Carson Beck Milrow Uers and just up and down

the peaks and valleys like the two quarterbacks I would trust right I mean the one quarterback I trust right now is maybe Dylan Gabriel in the college football right now

and then Cam Ward is the second best but he throws the ball interceptions a little nonchalotness but from your side of things like what quarterback in college football do you trust? I do believe the NIL of putting these guys on a pedestal, these guys making so much more than their entire team,

these guys being treated completely different. These guys controlling college football because if they transfer, it's such a big deal. They have a bunch of leverage has really derailed all of my life, these quarterbacks that played in college, even that were stars, you know, from Peyton Manning to Tom Brady through the Leinard era, through Tebow. Tebow's a good example.

They still felt like a part of the team. And I think now it's got like the best quarterbacks in the NFL. They feel like one of the guys. And I do think it's kind of thrown off its axis with the amount of money these guys are being paid. Like imagine playing for Georgia being like the pass rush or Walker, who's going to be, I don't know, top 10 pick. and knowing that Carson Beck

gets like three times as you if it's the NFL like listen it is what it is there are pay scales like in what world am I getting paid 500 grand and we're paying this guy a couple million dollars

I mean because as you get older you mature a little bit at 20 years old the fuck no way I'd be like what and I just and he's living on his own

and a high rise and it's a massive house and I'm just I just think it's it's a lot for young people to handle. And I wonder if when you watch these teams play, they don't feel it's like cohesive. Like usually in college,

even unlike the NFL, like you'd have the same group of guys together forever. And now it's like guys moving and shaking. This guy's gone. This guy's coming. The quarterback just feels, not that they haven't always, but I think now knowing how much they're getting

has to throw people off on the team. There has to be some resentment. These are human beings. And these quarterbacks are struggling. That's the thing. So if you're a wide receiver on Texas, even if you're getting broken off and you're making $700,000,

you know yours is making millions. You're like, even if you like Arch, you're like, we know I'm paying this guy $5 million. It's crazy. Yeah, NIL is just, I don't know, man. I think heading into NIL, I thought specifically for me, I thought NIL was just for like brand deals

and for sponsorships for these kids to make money. their name, image, and likeness, and now it's just turn in a tampering bribing. Yeah. It was, how was it not going to be that way? Because remember early on, the NCAA was adamant that you had to separate the collective? Well, that's no longer the case.

The programs all run in it. They've just kind of waved the white flag. And these NIL deals, like Underwood was literally, that's not NIL. That's we just bought them. Which, again, I'm not against. I don't care. But if you're trying to run a football team and win, big? Like, how did Harbaugh just win with that group? It felt like they were all together.

Like, JJ was no different than Blake Quorum. That was no different than all the defensive guys that all got drafted. And now it feels like how is Underwood going to show up on campus the first day and view himself as an equal? How could he? Do you think Sherom Moore is going to have to probably change his offense too? Because if you're Underwood, you're not going in there handing the ball off as much as Orgy did this year. And J.J. McCarthy did, I guess, did throw the ball a little bit, but you're not going to have a Penn State game out of Bryce Underwood. I think he's going to have to recruit unlike Jim and more like the SEC schools of like getting wide receivers. You know, that's just, that wasn't Jim's deal. Offensive, defensive linemen running backs,

quarterback could be the game manager. You don't pay 12 million. Now you could argue that's what the money's for, do what we tell you. But part of, I mean, Ohio State, like why they dominate is they have awesome, they have good quarterbacks, but they also have incredible wide receivers. When's the last time Michigan had like the equivalent of that at wide receiver? I mean, their guys like, wait,

Nico Collins went to Michigan? You don't even realize it because the guys in college, they stink or they just don't do much because that's not never how Jim played. I mean, look at Jim now. He's like best receivers lad in McConkey. It's like a dream come true. Giving us white boy is a chance at wide receiver. I love to see it.

But that's all I got, man. College football, unbelievable. It's incredible, man. It is. It's been a fun year. So we just got, I guess, the conference championship games next week. So we'll talk once we have a good idea who's playing who.

And obviously there are going to be some serious for the first time ever playoff bursts on the line. And I think we'll have a pretty good idea. I would say, what do you think? Maybe beside one spot of the at-large bids, we'll kind of know. Yeah. I think a team that loses in the conference championship, I think they've said they're not going to get penalized. Unless it's like obviously an A&M who's already had three losses,

they're going to get knocked out. But if Georgia loses to A&M, let's say A&B, Texas, and they lose to them, they're still going to get in. I think it's fair to say whoever gets the SEC championship game, there's a pretty good chance that both the schools get there. What's A&M's record right now? A&M's 8 and 3. So you're saying if they lost, they'd have a fourth loss.

that'd be interesting. Well, if A&M loss, they'd probably get knocked out four losses, you would say. But then it's like the extra game. They had a game win against Texas. But then if they win, they're in. And then Georgia would get in as well as a three-loss team. And then you have Texas as a two-loss team. You would have Tennessee in the mix, too.

So then for the SEC's purpose, if you're Greg Sanky, I think you kind of want A&M to win the SEC. So you get four teams in versus three. Yeah. I would be stunned no matter how. the gymnastics work if the SEC has not to have four teams representing them. I don't know exactly. It's a little convoluted right now, but I think, you know, the Big Ten ain't getting

four teams and the SEC getting three. I think that would be, you talk about a stink because they'd point right to Indiana and Penn State. It'd be like, this is a joke. Those teams, Penn State, out of the two of them, they've played two real games and they both lost. At least Penn State could hold their head high. that wasn't like i mean they lost by touchdown at home but still it's like that was a bad loss

given they were up whatever seven nothing before you could even blink and then got kind of got worked from there but indiana i don't think you can let indiana in and let some of these you know ccc teams go play in some random bowls that no one's going to care about anymore beside us gamblers signetti's going to be pissed if he doesn't get in he's going to be pissed okay jackson enjoy uh old town scotsdale and we'll talk to you next appreciate you better lighting new apartment next week. Appreciate you, John. Adios. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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