The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Jimmy Haslam on Shedeur Sanders, Deebo VS. Terry, Happy Gilmore 2 REVIEW

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

John reacts to the Jimmy Haslam press conference talking about Shedeur Sanders and how he was picked by GM Andrew Berry and not himself. Next, John talks about Deebo Sanders comments on how he has a l...ot to prove and what his signing may have meant to Terry McLaurin personally. Later, John dives into Deion Sanders talking about his health and announcing that he is cancer-free. John later gives his review of "Happy Gilmore 2" and what he liked and didn't like about the movie. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.05:48 - Jimmy Haslam on Sanders 14:44 - Deebo vs. Terry 23:30 - Deion Sanders is cancer-free 27:30 - GM's keep tabs on the whole league 43:34 - Go Low 45:10 - Happy Gilmore 2 review 54:51 - Wyndham Championship Picks 1:10:31 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:34 that the guy had set out for the NFL league offices who thought he had CTE, kills himself, but kills four people in New York City, one of them an officer who had two children. We work with Foulds of Honor. My dad's brother, I've said this before, died in Vietnam. I've seen it firsthand, and I wasn't even alive then, the power it has on people's family,
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Starting point is 00:04:13 Some thoughts on Happy Gilmore 2 I saw it shattered records Like 50 million people watched in the first three days Most ever for Netflix Not shocking Get ready for Happy Gilmore 3 And then just some other thoughts on golf As well as a golf mail bag
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Starting point is 00:06:01 And I got to say, he's pretty convincing. Like you watch him, even though I believe some of the things he said aren't necessarily true. He's pretty, he's, he's pretty smooth in front of the mic. He's a smooth operator. Got a little politician to him. Because he mentioned something that I thought, I just don't believe.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And it gets back to what we had talked about during the draft when it came to Shador Sanders. And he claimed that he had nothing to do with it. That it was his GM and head coach, but specifically his GM, who is in charge of running the draft. Jimmy Haslam said he was driving home, on Friday night, never crossed his mind, that's after the third round, that they were going to
Starting point is 00:06:41 draft Shador Sanders the next day, even when he showed up and they met before the draft started. Didn't think it was going to happen. And then a couple rounds later, Shador Sanders is on their team. Here's why I have a hard time believing this, because let's just put the Brown's moves in sequence, right? Obviously, they signed Flacco in the offseason when they know that Deshawn Watson is gone and his career's over and Jimmy Haslam calls Deshawn Watson a swing and a miss. The one thing I appreciate about any human being, and I don't know any, who have ever been given a $230 million contract, every penny guaranteed, good or bad, which DeShan got.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Even once your owner says that you are a swing and miss, you get married after that comment, you invite that guy that gave you $230 million to your wedding. There was a picture of Jimmy Haslam at the wedding. So listen, I commend to Sean for that because that's what any normal human would do. You could say whatever you want about me. If you gave me $230 million, you will be at my wedding. Shit, you might be front and center. I might make you my best man.
Starting point is 00:07:47 But here's what doesn't make any sense. They sign Joe Flacco. They trade for Kenny Pickett. Then in the first round, they make a trade which gives them an extra first round pick the following year. a team that I'm sure their GM Ivy League guy runs some models, has the Jags probably missing the playoffs and has the Jags potentially giving them a pick that's pretty valuable. I would also guess if they ran their own models on their own team not going to go well either
Starting point is 00:08:18 and probably a top 10 pick. So they're going to have two really good picks in what looks like to be a good quarterback draft which most good front offices have somewhat of a feel for the strengths and weaknesses of the following year's draft before that draft starts. Because part of being a GM, unlike a coach, you don't live week to week. You live year to year. And a good one views it through like a three, four, five year lens. So when you draft a quarterback in the third round,
Starting point is 00:08:49 when you already have Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett on the roster, it makes absolutely no sense to draft another quarterback in that third day. not just because of the logistics of getting guys on the field. This is not defensive line or wide receiver or linebacker where you can have multiple guys and rotate during the same plays. Only one quarterback can play. But clearly based on their board, they had Dylan Gabriel above Shador Sanders.
Starting point is 00:09:21 They like Dylan because they have the opportunity to draft either one of them in the third round. They chose Dylan Gabriel. So if you pick the one that you liked more, which listen, this is a subjective profession, I'm not saying they're right or wrong with that. I viewed Shadur Sanders as a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They did not.
Starting point is 00:09:41 And I bet if you went around the league, people would be all over the map. But that doesn't matter. They showed us who they liked more. They literally drafted the guy. So now you have a 40-year-old flacco who doesn't need practice or reps, but you know can start games for you. You have Kenny Pickett, who I'm sure, Kevin Stefansky liked coming out of the draft.
Starting point is 00:10:00 They got for nothing. listen, we actually think this guy has some characteristics in our offense, especially for a decent running team. There might be something there. And then Dylan Gabriel, a guy we liked in the draft, that if you take a guy in the third round, you probably think, hey, ideally back up, but who knows? Maybe he's got some upside to be a starter.
Starting point is 00:10:17 You wouldn't take another guy in the fifth round. This isn't a linebacker. This isn't safety. This is an offense. You don't do that. So it makes no sense from a roster building standpoint. And while I do believe that the Browns, get away with doing some like low character stuff more than other teams because like two ivy league guys
Starting point is 00:10:38 uh two two guys ivy leaguers high level guys and listen i think they're smart guys but they pick players sometimes it's not that much different like al davis in the 80s but we don't really tell we it's all jim i was talking to a buddy of mine for another team that like we got a front office group chat and we're always saying like these guys take no criticism for taking major character risk I didn't see TMZ tweet out her phone call for Junkins. Listen, I'm not one to point fingers. Who knows? Only those two know. But last year they took Hall, the defensive lineman,
Starting point is 00:11:14 who didn't even make it through training camp without an issue with a gun pointed at his fiancé, which again, that happened because he pled like he went on probation, like he got in trouble for it. They suspended him for it. This one, we'll see how this situation plays out. And again, Juncker's was not a character risk when you ask people around the league. But regardless, like they have issues that it feels like other teams simply don't.
Starting point is 00:11:40 And the owner takes a lot of shit. And it felt like today, like, guys, I have nothing to do with this. They pick the players. I don't tell them to pick the players. This quarterback won. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. He can say whatever he wants. And listen, you watch him talk.
Starting point is 00:11:53 He's smooth at saying it. I just don't believe him. Because I can't imagine a GM, given their situation, given, And even from a money ball standpoint, it doesn't work like that at quarterback. The one time we've seen it, I remember how big of a deal it was when they took RG3 second and they took Cousins in the fourth round. And as information came out, why did that happen? Because the Shanahan family did not want RG3. They wanted to take Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I think Kyle would have taken him a 10. Remember, they traded up to 2. But he wanted to take him in the second round. He said, let's take another player and take this guy in the second round. The owner wouldn't let him. this owner is proven to get involved. He got involved with Deshawn Watson, and I think it's pretty clear that he got involved here.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Now, the one thing he said, which I don't blame him for getting involved, if that's the case with this one, coaches will live week to week. They will try to win every single game. Nothing is more famous than the Flores' Stephen Ross situation. He's like, Brian.
Starting point is 00:12:51 We're trying to get Joe Burrow, you know, the guy that will change our franchise. We already suck. I will pay you 100 grand a loss Let's keep losing games. And what Brian Flores do, won a game against Cincinnati Bengals in overtime. Won three of his last five games. They ended up with Tua.
Starting point is 00:13:07 The Bengals ended up with Joe Burrell. Hell, they could have taken Herbert. They didn't even draft the right guy. But it simply was not the right move. The Browns are going to suck. They're not going to be any good. We all understand that. Now, are they going to be like a one-win team?
Starting point is 00:13:20 Obviously, they got good players on their team. They got some young, talented players on their team. But their quarterback situation is a disaster. And Jimmy Haslam was asked about, Does Kevin understand that we got to see the young guys play before we have to make a decision next year? He said, yeah, Kevin understands that. So, which he should. Like, no one wants to see Joe Flacco on a 3 and 17, right?
Starting point is 00:13:43 Play Dylan Gabriel, play Shador Sanders. Here's what's pretty clear. And Kenny Pickett pulled his hamstring, which not an ideal injury for a quarterback. Right? Like, if you pull your handstring, that means you're running around. It's like, Kenny, you're not Lamar Jackson. So it's like that's an injury that I got red flagged a little bit. You know, but at the end of the day,
Starting point is 00:14:05 Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco better really enjoy the game reps they get in September. Because I would say starting early October when it's pretty clear this team probably does not have high hopes, especially when you factor in the division they play in. I would start rotating these guys. I'd say Gabriel gets a game, and if you do well, you keep playing. If you don't, Shador comes in. If he keeps playing, he'll play the next game.
Starting point is 00:14:26 We'll just go back and forth. Almost treat them like starting pitchers. But I would say everything is on the table with these two players. And I think having those two first round picks, especially if Jacksonville underachieves this year, as historically they typically do, I would expect the Browns to take a quarterback really high in 2026. Debo Samuel had a comment today, which I thought was pretty interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:50 And I don't even necessarily disagree. He said, I still have something left in the tank. Which is crazy. not 38 years old. I think he's like 27, 28. You know, he's not as old as, maybe he's 29 because he was a senior coming out of college. But this isn't like Larry Fitzgerald here. You know, this is the guy who, yeah, I hope he still has something in the tank. But I started thinking, Adam Peters approach is offseason, which I commend him for taking
Starting point is 00:15:17 this approach, I'm not going to pay Christian Wilkins type guys, 130 cents on the dollar and regret these contracts in a couple of years just because I got Jaden Daniels contract. and I got room to deal with. I'm going to use some draft capital for guys that I actually think I can get that make a lot of money that we can fit inside our cap, but get for fourth round picks,
Starting point is 00:15:39 get for a fifth round pick, get for a third round pick. My starting left tackle, my starting wide receiver, I'm like, okay, I like what you're doing there. Laramie Tunzel deal. I would make that move 100 times out of 100 if I'm out of Peters. The Debo thing, which I get, he was around some of Debo's best moments.
Starting point is 00:15:55 I'm sure he was a huge part of scouting him coming out of college, and knows him really well. I'm pro Debo Samuel. Like, I even understand the move. Here's the problem. When you make a move like that, it set out a signal to your star wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:16:08 One, it's like, am I even your guy? Right? Because you're not paying me. And in a weird way, it's not Debo's fault, but Debo's also in a contract year. So Debo's coming in there, knows that the GM, like he's one of the GM's guys.
Starting point is 00:16:21 And if you're Terry McLaurin, you start thinking, am I not one of their guys? They don't want to pay me. Now, obviously the money, like, I'm not going to pay you 40, million dollars a year. But I do have to wonder if looking back at the Debo Samuel trade, if that sparks some, I don't even want to say animosity, but McLaurin's brain to go. And then obviously the contracts get weird with D.K. Metcalf and he starts thinking like,
Starting point is 00:16:44 I need way more money. And now they're in a situation where, listen, I do think Debo, if I was a betting man, I think he's going to have some moments this year. But this Debo thing, if he doesn't have moments, and it's created this weird spot for Terry, even he'll eventually play because he's not going to give up, you know, whatever his salary is this year, like 16 million cash. What if you don't get the carry they gave you 13 touchdowns? And the guy who was all in team captain, you get a guy, because we're all human beings who has resentment, who's mad at the situation,
Starting point is 00:17:15 who thinks he's getting screwed. Even sometimes when you're not getting screwed, when you're in your own head, and I can only imagine the athletic situation in a, music, you get some of these managers and everyone that has their hand in your cookie jar starts feeding into that. Right? Feeding it. Most of us, like, especially
Starting point is 00:17:32 when you're younger, our parents are the opposite. It's like, pull your head out of your ass. Right? This is not a way to operate. Where I think sometimes these guys get in situations where their boy, their agent, their manager, is like, fuck these guys. We'll show them. It's like, no, let's show everybody in the league so we can get you
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Starting point is 00:22:45 Dion, who gave the press conference yesterday, and I think a lot of us, and maybe I just kind of believed, like some social media headlines, but it's not, I would say it's a little abnormal to have a press conference with your medical team. He'd already been kind of an undisclosed sickness. I kind of thought there was like above a 15% chance he was going to retire. or just quit and just say he was sick, he couldn't do it. If anything he did the opposite, he said he got bladder cancer, he removed the bladder, he defeated the cancer, and he's back and he's coaching.
Starting point is 00:23:17 And I've often thought, one, I can't even imagine as someone whose dad has been dead for a while now. The one thing, whether you agreed or disagreed or not the hype or whatever, like I have a soft spot for just a dad coaching his son. and I can't even imagine in Division 1 football. If you're Dionne Sanders, one of the most famous best football players of all time, you get to coach both your sons, right? Who, you know, Shador drafted and obviously Shiloh's at an NFL camp right now. It had to be some of the coolest weeks, days, years of his life.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Coaching his two kids for two years at Colorado, playing on ESPN in front of 5, 8. I mean, they were doing huge television ratings. It was awesome. from just a human aspect of being able to coach your children. But I also wondered, like, once his kids leave, especially as Shador, who's his quarterback, was he doing this because he's a football guy, he loves football, but he also gets to be around his kids. If you follow them on social media, and Travis was essentially like his kid too,
Starting point is 00:24:22 they were always in his office, they were always hanging out. Well, then all those guys are gone now, right? Travis, Shador, Shiloh, all gone. Now he's coaching your kids. My kids, not my kids, because my kid won't be Division I athlete. More than likely, who knows, don't underestimate him. Maybe he's tough. Maybe he's got a little rudy in him.
Starting point is 00:24:41 But just he's coach other people's kids that he didn't just grow up around. These aren't like his people he'd known for a long, long time. Would the fire still be there? Does he still want to coach? If you get cancer and you have that cancer removed and your children are gone in the NFL, and not only do you want to keep coaching, like you're driven, to get healthy to coach this upcoming season. I mean, Dion's in it to win it.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I mean, if there was ever a question, like, does he really want to do this? Do you really think he's driven to, like, get to an SEC school or an ACC school or whatever? Like, yeah, I think he is 100% not going away. And I also wonder if last year he had to Warren Sapp to his D-Line coach. This year, Marshall Fawkes, his running back coach.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Now some of his boys are on the staff. maybe those guys in a different way kind of fill the void of like his you know second family type but I'm happy Dion you know he's it we need characters and that's what football has obviously the players in all these sports are the stars but football more than any of these other sports their coaches college and pros are as big of television characters in this reality show that is the world of pro and college football as important as basically any player beside a couple quarterbacks. And Dion is very, very valuable to college football.
Starting point is 00:26:10 So I'm glad he's okay. As someone who's lost many of family members to different types of cancer, I can't imagine it was extremely scary. You know, Dion's, he's had the foot issue with the turf to dating back to college or the pros. where he had to get toes chopped off, I think multiple toes. Now he had this cancer. Say this for, you know, Dion might not like to tackle, but he's a tough SOB. So I'm happy that Dion's doing okay.
Starting point is 00:26:41 And last but not least, I saw, I was at my desk earlier today, and I saw that Pat McAfee had on Nick Casario, the general manager of the Houston Texans. And he was messing with him a little bit saying, like, have you seen these clips of Anthony Richardson? He's trying to, you know, Pat's a Colts guy. And I guess Anthony Richardson had some highlight passes in training camp. Like that's kind of the defining attribute of his career, like a highlight pass.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Like, are you a good player? But his point was like, are you keeping track of everything that's not only going on in your division but around the NFL? And it was just, it was just a real question to Casario. Like, are you watching all this stuff? And Casario essentially said, yeah. And I think what people don't understand is one of the big jobs of the front. office, starting with the GM, with your pro director or your director of player personnel, and then your in-house scouts, you divvy up the NFL. So if I'm the Houston Texans,
Starting point is 00:27:38 obviously your opponents, you have a pro scout that usually advances your opponent. So if I'm, let's, I'm going to use the Niners for an example, because this is, it's easy for me, I fall then the closest. If I'm John Schneider in the Seattle Seahawks, and we play the 49ers week one, the guy that is going to do the advance report for my coaching staff, on the 49ers. One of his teams, let's say he has eight teams during training camp.
Starting point is 00:28:02 We've split up the teams throughout the league, three or four scouts, eight to ten teams per scout, maybe less, six, seven, six. They follow the team. The way I would approach it
Starting point is 00:28:14 in 2025, I would make a Twitter account just for work, and I would follow all the beat riders of all my teams, because I think that's probably the modern day newspaper. And I would also follow
Starting point is 00:28:26 on YouTube and on Instagram all the teams. So anytime they had interviews, all the press conferences, and you basically just consume all this stuff before the preseason game starts to keep notes on everything that's going on at camp. For the Niners, for example, the veteran guys that you know are going to make the team,
Starting point is 00:28:46 you're just keeping tabs. Juan Jennings pulled his calf, boom. We're monitoring his situation how long he misses. Today, Ricky Piersall misses practice. Boom. Mikel Williams, the 11th, 3rd. overall pick, mispractice today, ankle, taking notes. You know all those guys are going to make the team, right?
Starting point is 00:29:03 And most players, maybe some rookies, but veteran guys don't play as much in the preseason. What you're really monitoring is from basically the fourth round through undrafted free agents, you are keeping tabs before the game start of what people are saying about them, what the coaching staff, the head coach, and the coordinators, the way they talk about them in press conferences, listen, you know, you got to take it for what it is, but the beat, writers that are at practice, either posting videos or tweeting about, this guy looks really good, this guy looks really bad, and just taking notes on, hey, this guy's been making some plays of practice, you know, we got to keep tabs on this guy. And then when the preseason game start,
Starting point is 00:29:42 you spend all your time evaluating their entire draft beside the first couple rounds, because those guys aren't going to potentially get cut. And then the practice squad guys from the previous year, because all these guys, right, you have a 90-man roster. Well, only 53 can make the team. And like I said, you already have a ton of veteran guys on the team that are basically locks. So there are, I'm just going to pick a number, 20 guys for 11 spots. You know eight are going to be available. And what if some of those eight are guys that actually have some talent? Maybe you like coming out in the draft that made some plays during preseason. They were just hoping to put on the practice squad at a position that maybe your team needs. You're like,
Starting point is 00:30:21 hey, this guy could be our fifth wide receiver. So basically every team in the league, as of late July, is really monitoring, I would say, it used to be when I was in the league, like the newspapers, we would have these things called clips, and they would just cut for every team, the Redskins, the Eagles, the Cowboys, all the articles every single day on a clip. So it could be multiple pages. And then you would just look through it. You use Pro Football Talk. You use Rodo World.
Starting point is 00:30:50 And you just accumulate all this information. It's kind of like a running diary on each team leading up to the preseason. games, then you evaluate the players, and now it's way easier. You just like, watch 87, watch 22, and you can just watch all their cutups. And then when a guy gets cut, you have grades on them. And after a couple preseason games, you start funneling that information to your GM. So your GM has a list of maybe the top 50 guys, your scouting department goes, hey, this guy might get cut.
Starting point is 00:31:20 I think he's pretty good. We should, here are 27 plays he's had in the preseason. You should watch them. and then if it's pretty interesting, you have your coaching staff watch them so you know like, hey, should we cut our last offensive lineman to claim this guy who can play guard and center? And you can play that game at any position. Quarterback's a little different, but definitely O-line, D-line. I mean, let's face it, not a lot of good O-line and D-Lyman are getting cut.
Starting point is 00:31:48 But if you see a guy with physical traits that you think your offensive line coach can work with, maybe your offensive line coach like that guy in the draft. and he was a fifth round pick, and you guys would have taken him in the sixth round, and then he gets cut in training camp, maybe you think about claiming him. And even if you don't claim him, maybe you try to bring him on your practice squad,
Starting point is 00:32:07 because once a guy has practice squad, like clears waivers, any practice squad can take him. So this is a time right now of just research and information accumulation. So that is all these front offices are doing. Most college scouts within the next week will be kind of sent out, to their kind of their areas and we'll start going to training camps for Texas and USC and Oregon and Alabama
Starting point is 00:32:32 and kind of focus on that. But your in-house crew, three or four guys with your GM, really focus on the league. And then you really kind of cut down that information with individual players, maybe your coordinators and your head coach. But your coaching staff is not even, they don't mess with that really at all. Maybe a head coach does. a head, especially a veteran head coach, like an Andy Reed when Belichick was in the league, a Pete Carroll, like they're juggling at all.
Starting point is 00:33:02 But like the younger coordinators like Kevin O'Connell and Kyle Shanahan, they are much more focused on the team, the scheme. And obviously they talk to their GM of like giving him, hey, I don't like our running back depth. We got to really, and then that information gets kind of given back out, hey, we got to really focus on running back and corners. but you really utilize the beat reporters that are at these practices
Starting point is 00:33:30 and there are some consistent guys that have been beat reporters and covered teams for decades that you just feel pretty good about like getting information especially sometimes just like hey they're kind of down on so-and-so and it might be like a fifth year veteran guard you're like hey I actually think that guy
Starting point is 00:33:50 I know they got some younger guys on their team but he might start for our team. So you kind of have to have a feel like the way Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger and those guys look at the stock market is the way GMs and front offices look at rosters. It's all about who's trending up, who's trending down, financially, who's overpaid, which might cause him to get cut, who is a guy that's so cheap, even if he's trending down, they're going to keep on the roster because economically it makes sense. with this guy, maybe they're over this veteran player.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Like would the dolphins, you know, obviously there are star level names. Like the dolphins might trade Tyree Kill. I'm not saying they would, but I'm just saying they might. But guys like that, which my mom probably knows about, they're a lot more under the radar type like, hey, this guy was a fifth rounder two years ago. He's been on the practice squad. We really liked him. He's not going to make our team.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Listen, I know you guys like him. Would you trade a seventh round pick for him? Or hell, would you trade? I see you got five running backs that you think all could make the team. We need a running back. We don't need this linebacker who you like. Could we flop the two guys? You trade me the running back for the linebacker.
Starting point is 00:35:01 That starts happening, especially probably a week into the preseason. Because once these pads come on, it starts separating. It's like, God, I thought we were a little better at D-Line. I don't love our group, right? I thought our corners were a little bit better. We got a couple injuries. We suck. We need to add somebody.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So your mind really starts working like that as over the next week in pads, and then especially as you get into a joint practice and do a preseason game. That really starts to, I would say, crystallize a roster slash depth chart, which the coach is just so enamored with the GM. But the GM is also trying to balance the rest of the league to like keep tabs on everything. So there's just a lot of moving parts. It's why it's so impossible. that we'll never see any more of the GM head coach.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Like those days, it's not even possible. There's not enough time in the day, especially with expanded rosters, 90 man. There's so many people out there. It's just a lot going on. It's just a really, really busy time. But right, those first couple weeks before the preseason games start, are like you can just, it's pretty easy to kind of keep track of everything.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Once the preseason games start going on, you're trying to evaluate players, you're keeping information, you've got injuries happening, You just, you got your own team. You're trying to help evaluate because typically, you know, you kind of break up the evaluation of your roster from a front office standpoint. You know, scouts get different positions, maybe multiple positions. You meet with the coaches and you're kind of a part of those personnel meetings in that, in the long, you know, the long kind of table, the meeting tables that most for not, most NFL teams have kind of those big corporate rooms where you're could fit like 30 people in and have those meetings that we've seen our hard knocks forever,
Starting point is 00:36:49 which we see less and less. But it's a great time of year. I mean, I can't even imagine looking back. It's impossible to keep up with the entire league at a high level. So it's why you have to break it down in smaller either quadrants or five, six, seven teams per team. And the GM tries to get like a big macro version and then gets individual information kind of like shot up to them through his people. It's why we talk a lot about hiring the right people.
Starting point is 00:37:19 It's no different with the coaching staff. You've got to depend on your coordinators, your position coaches, no different as a GM. You've got to feel really good about your pro scouts, your college scouts, because they're feeding you all this information. And they get to kind of decipher what's important and what's not important.
Starting point is 00:37:35 And also the way you think, the way we look at players, what we value in players on and off the field. I saw Sean Payton today talk, about signing Sutton and to a big deal. And he said, when did you know? He said early on when I first got the job. And the first things he said were not size or speed or high pointing ball.
Starting point is 00:37:57 It was work ethic, leadership. Things that these coaches value, given how much money's on the line right now, is the intangible stuff. It's why, you know, trying to keep tabs on, it's why your college scouts are so important because if this dude was drafted in the seventh round two years ago and you really like, like them and he's going to be available. What was a character
Starting point is 00:38:17 write-up we had on this guy? Because, oh, I remember why he fell on the seventh round. Questionable character. Yeah, it can play, but do we want that guy in our locker room? Do we want them trying to make out of people's foreheads? Like in Vegas? No, we don't. So,
Starting point is 00:38:31 fun time of year for the NFL front offices. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
Starting point is 00:39:17 This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a. thing a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
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Starting point is 00:40:22 Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets
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Starting point is 00:41:21 Jenschen went. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Okay, let's transition to a little golf talk. We usually do a golo pod by itself, but with football season, I'm just going to combine them. So I will do the second half of some of these podcasts if I'm going to do anything golf related, and we'll just put on the back end of any football talk on a given week. Obviously, Happy Gilmore, 2 is shattering records on Netflix I just saw that almost 50 million. streams through the first three days it was up on Netflix. I watched it.
Starting point is 00:42:30 I will give some thoughts, so you might have to skip ahead if you don't want any spoiler alerts. Not that, I mean, this movie's not winning an Oscar, so I don't know if you're going to miss much. I'll give some thoughts on the upcoming Wyndham, who I'm betting on. Obviously, Kirk Kidiyama just won a couple days ago. This is the last event of the quote-unquote regular season before they head to the playoffs. It goes from 70 to 50 to 30 now the Tour Championship, which is the ultimate PJ
Starting point is 00:43:00 Tour just giving away money. Wachene Neiman wins again on live, something that happened with Bubba Watson that I actually thought was pretty cool. And we will answer your questions at GoLopod. At GoLopod is the Instagram. We try to separate that from the football questions and just life questions. So if you got any golf related question, whether it's on professional golf, whether it's on your own game, whether it's just things you're thinking, at Golopod is the easiest way to get involved because we try to separate the two Instagram. So fire in those DMs. But I do want to start with the Happy Gilmore 2 review.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Now, I watched this movie on Sunday night, which only probably a month ago, and we'd be watching Sunday night football. I'm sitting there at the dinner table. I think we had an early dinner. It was probably like 5, 5.30. and I'm sitting there with my pregnant wife and she made a comment that almost made me fall out of my chair
Starting point is 00:44:00 because I was telling her, hey, we got to watch Happy Gilmore, I'm going to talk about on the podcast. I knew that Happy Gilmore, it's not that she wouldn't enjoy it, but it's not really her type movie. Like if she had a choice, I don't think she would hit play.
Starting point is 00:44:14 And she knew we were going to attack this movie after dinner. And I did the dishes, no big deal. And she looks at me and she says, do I need to see the first happy Gilmore to understand what's going on in this one? And my jaw hit the floor. And then I realized she was born in 1991. This movie came out in 1996. I'm sure there are movies in the 80s or even early 90s that maybe I missed.
Starting point is 00:44:39 And it kind of, listen, it was funny. And I think once I turned it on, she realized she had seen it once I kind of described. I think. not that you necessarily have to see the first one to watch the second one, it clearly helps. There are some clear themes that make it easier to watch. I would imagine 99.999% of people listening to this have seen the first one. But this movie, like typically sequels, I think of some of the ones that were big when I was a kid, Terminator,
Starting point is 00:45:12 even though that was when I was really, really young, but I watched that when I was a kid. Die-Hards, they usually happen relatively quick. quickly after one becomes a hit. And there was 30 years of separation between these two movies. So anyone that's watched Adam Sandler operate just through Netflix over the last decade, if you've just been really bored and clicked on one of his movies, my standard for this movie was not very high. I didn't go in with the expectations.
Starting point is 00:45:40 It's going to be like some Oscar-winning all-time flick. I just wanted to be entertained, laugh a little, and hang out with the Sandman and see a bunch of these cameos and some of his homies that are in all of his movies and that's exactly what I got. As the movie went on, clearly it was pretty stupid and pretty dumb.
Starting point is 00:45:59 But I see some of these people tweeting or post on social media is the dumbest movie of all time. I mean, you have not watched enough movies if you think that. I actually think like there were some bright spots of if you follow the PGA tour, Will Zalotoros, who is currently injured
Starting point is 00:46:14 because his back is like Tony Romo and doesn't work, So he's just out right now. But before he got injured, he was, could have easily won the Masters. I mean, he's been a major factor in majors. He's a really good player. And he is often made fun of for looking like an older version or honestly, the player version of Happy Gilmore's Caddy in the original. And him playing a role in this movie, I thought he was good and he was pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Like that was honestly a standout moment of like, using Will's Alatoris, they deserve credit for doing that. Clearly, whenever they shot this, Scotty had already been arrested, and he made the joke about it in the movie. And I thought Scotty was pretty good. And then there are guys like Rory and Brooks, and even Bryson, they just aren't. I mean, it's just, you can tell they don't act for a living.
Starting point is 00:47:06 I do think one misstep. And again, my standard for this script, whatever the storyline was going to be, is extremely low. So my expectations on this being something that was going to blow people away, I was not there. But Shooter McGavin is one of the great characters of my life. He's one of the more legendary characters of my life, especially if you put him in the category of being like a villain, right? And they open up in this movie, he's in the insane asylum. And it's like, this has a chance to be really, really good.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Utilize Shooter. Is he going to break out? is he going to go up against Happy, however this is going to play out. And I think one beef a lot of people have had with this movie is the villain was just a terrible character. I mean, it really was. When you already have a built-in villain with Shooter. And however you wanted to build this, you know, a lot of people think that the Maxie League
Starting point is 00:48:04 or whatever was representing Live, it's really a little more like the TGL combination of whatever. They could have used Shooter in that role to go against how. Happy Gilmore. Like that, that was built in. And maybe they tried to humanize them. I don't know. But I thought that was a misstep. You could have used shooter against Happy, and it would have been really funny and really good.
Starting point is 00:48:28 They didn't. They chose to use that weird guy with the weird goate who I would say universally everyone's down upon and rightfully so. Terrible character and awful. But the cameos make this movie. You know, Adam has a couple throwback moments. I do think once you get to his position, he got so famous and so big 25, 30 years ago, that a lot of people think that the movies he does now are really stupid and he doesn't care. And I'd say, yeah, I mean, he doesn't have to care.
Starting point is 00:49:02 He was never Leonardo DiCaprio. This guy is not Tom Hanks. This guy is what you call. And I think it's a great representation sometimes society. Sometimes you don't have to overthink it. people just want to laugh and Adam Sandler when he's involved and just gives half effort can be kind of funny and I just think for a guy that's close to 60 I'm glad they did this but I see a lot of people being really down upon this movie it's just what were you what were you expecting to get you know I mean I think there was such a
Starting point is 00:49:35 organic nature to the first one one obviously the storyline of him wanting to be a hockey player and hating golf and looking down upon country clubs and the golfing culture and in this one he supports it because he's boys with all these people now he's wearing the gold jacket with like jack and lee trevino and freddy couples and obviously Travis kelsey's in this and actually zander was kind of funny in a dumb way but i i thought it was just an easy couple hours with a bunch of famous people that got really stupid at the end but overall i i'd probably give it like a B, B plus. And I think the power of this brand and the power of the buildup and probably the power
Starting point is 00:50:19 of the cameos, you know, leads to a historic moment for Netflix. The big winner in this one was Netflix. And listen, I'm not, I wouldn't call myself a movie buff, but I'm dialed in enough and listen to enough podcasts and read enough articles that everyone says, like, the originality of movies is done. No one wants to do that. And studios are not funding. that. They're all funding things with a quote unquote IP, things that have been done before.
Starting point is 00:50:47 And these type situations when Happy Gilmore, which is, you know, I think in terms of box office and stuff, it's not, I don't know where it ranks in the 90s, but it's clearly one of the biggest movies of my youth. It's carryover. If this had not been, you know, and Adam Sandler had just created a golf movie from scratch, even with all these cameos and Happy Gilmore had never existed, no way it does what it did. And I think the power of Adam Sandler and the power of this movie is the different, you get a guy that's 65 that's watching, you get a guy that's 40 that's watching it, and you can get a guy that's 15 to watch it. And that's the sad part about the originality and the organic nature of like when I was a kid, Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey and Chris Farley and these guys that all came from Saturday Night Live, you know, got people behind them and got to fund them and they became star. because these movies that would never get made now got made then.
Starting point is 00:51:47 The equivalent of Happy Gilmore in 2025 is never getting made. It's that Adam Sandler is so famous and Netflix finances them and all these guys, I don't know how much he paid all these guys for cameos, but if you think that Bryson and Brooks and Scotty would just do a movie with a random guy, it's just never happening. And hell, they kind of did that in the mid-90s with some of the people that participated in that movie. The other thing that I loved about this movie is there's something special about the voice of Vern Lundquist.
Starting point is 00:52:15 I was telling Maria, who I've really got into college football, I don't think you realize that chubby guy talking played a huge role in Happy Gilmore One. One, he was a major part of the Masters for a long, long time. And his voice was synonymous with college football. And you hear Vern talk, you're like, I miss that. I really do. I miss that.
Starting point is 00:52:38 And, yeah, I mean, whether they took the live angle or the TG, I don't really know. I just think he probably kind of saw that and utilized, tried to be funny with it. Reggie Bush is on the bad team. Bad Bunny, I didn't even realize was his caddy. But ultimately, like I enjoyed myself for two hours. I enjoyed myself for two hours. Even in the parts where I thought it was kind of dumb.
Starting point is 00:53:02 I'm glad I watched the movie. And I can't say that about most movies. So props to Adam. Props to the Sandman. props to Netflix for just getting this thing done and giving us something to watch on a Sunday night before football starts. Okay, let's talk some real golf now. And let's talk to you about this upcoming Wyndham Championship. Brought to you by Transfusion, 5-hour energy shots, a whole and one in every flavor sensation.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Buy now on 5-hour energy.com. Here's the thing. Golf season's long, right? Unlike the NFL, which is 4 or 5 months, baseball is really long. but it's a set time, obviously basketball set time. Golf goes forever. It doesn't feel like to have an offseason because unless you are a superstar player,
Starting point is 00:53:47 I mean, even Max Homo was saying last week, I just want to win so I can go home to my pregnant wife. But if I don't win, I have to keep playing because I'm going to try to make the playoffs. And up until a couple years ago, you had a lot more margin for error if you were a solid player because the field going into the playoffs
Starting point is 00:54:03 was way bigger than it is now. And there is a big difference between 120 and 70. That's 50 guys. which I go back and forth with overall some of the signature events that have smaller fields in the no cut I don't love but I do understand
Starting point is 00:54:18 that like as the game fractured they try to get the money to their top guys and typically the top guys you know it's easier for them to make the money if it's a smaller field and the better guys are typically going to do well so they have transition hard to this model we'll see I saw the new commissioner CEO
Starting point is 00:54:37 it's his first day on the job was a couple days ago. Does he change this moving forward? I would doubt it. But this is the last real event before the playoffs start next week with 70 guys. And they go 70, 50, 30. And there is clearly a ton of money on the line. I think now to win the FedEx, I mean, it wasn't that long ago when you won like $10 million. And that was insane. Then they went to 15, then they went to 25. And all of a sudden, Scottie Sheffler has a $65 million a year. Right. And I think there are a lot of guys I read the day that last year five people changed from this last event going to the 70. So there was a swing of guys that were above the line,
Starting point is 00:55:17 they were into the playoffs, that lost their spot for five new guys. And obviously there are a lot of weighted points if you win. I mean, you're near the line. You're going to be in. And some of these guys are trying to compete for Ryder Cup spots because if, you know, you were to get knocked out and not make the final 30,
Starting point is 00:55:37 and your spots in question, like I would say, Keegan told you, no matter where you are on the list, if you're not an automatic qualifier, you're in major trouble. I mean, I looked up one time yesterday or over the weekend and got her up was in the mix to win. I'm like, has any guy had a better late season run than this guy? If he wins again, he's going to win two out of his last three tournaments and go second in the other one, which was a major. And then you think back to Lucas Glover a couple years ago,
Starting point is 00:56:03 one like back-to-back times in this part of the year, and still got left off the Ryder Cup. You never know, but I do think there's some value in gambling on guys. I sprinkled with some parlays last week. One guy that's playing just really well right now is Jake Knapp. I would say Ricky Fowler is as well. Now, Jake Knapp is in. I think he's like 52nd going into this tournament.
Starting point is 00:56:26 I think you can find value on him in this tournament, top 10 and top 20. Same thing with Ricky Fowler. Homa is another guy who has just shown some life. He played at the Barracuda when the open. was going on. First round, he was terrible. Second round, he bounced back. Last week, he actually was pretty solid. He's definitely a guy for me to keep an eye on. Joel Damon might have had the craziest finish of the year. He was 200 yards out on 18. He was 15 under par. Meaning if he birdies, 200 out, par 5, birdies, finish 16th, finishes in like the top 15
Starting point is 00:57:03 and would have made like 150K because a bunch of guys tied. But he would have made a lot of money. not only does he not birdie he triple bogeys because he hits multiple balls in the water and he goes from 15 under all the way to 12 and I think he made like $35,000 it was literally a $100,000
Starting point is 00:57:21 hole. I mean sometimes if you're just playing and you have a double or triple you're like that sucks lose 10 bucks, five bucks, whoever you're playing, maybe lose a skin, right? If you're playing two on two
Starting point is 00:57:33 or however your game works I can't even imagine being in a situation you've had a great week. And you're a guy that's training. I think Joel Damon's played some pretty good golf of late. And he's another guy that I think if you just removed that hole, had a pretty good week last week. Now, does that totally rattle you?
Starting point is 00:57:48 And are you just like, can you not get over it? It was like golf. I fucked up. I don't know how you hit two balls in the water, but he managed to do that. I am going to sprinkle on Joel Damon this week to finish in the top 20. And Matt Fitzpatrick is another guy who early in the season was terrible.
Starting point is 00:58:06 The crazy part about golf is these guys You know we've talked about them running through caddies And it kind of pisses me off It's like they treat their caddies Like these are offensive or defensive coordinator It's like dude the guy's just carrying your bag And for the most of these guys
Starting point is 00:58:21 handing you an eight iron when you say eight iron And maybe helping you read some puts But if the guy's been on your bag for a while And you've won with them Clearly this guy doesn't suck So you just pointing the finger at him Is just not taking accountability for yourself I do understand guys firing coaches
Starting point is 00:58:38 and I don't care who you are Sean Foley I'd say Butch is somewhat of an outlier You know People don't typically fire Butch But the Hank Haney's The Mark Blackburns These guys get fired all the time
Starting point is 00:58:52 Joseph Mayo If you follow him on Instagram The kind of chipping guru Like he's been fired And rehired by Victor Hovlin multiple times It happens But Mark Blackburn Who was
Starting point is 00:59:02 Sometimes like you're playing really well It's like the coach is a genius and then all of a sudden the guy starts playing shitty and Max home is like, it's my coach's fault. So he gets fired. And Blackburn's been fired by a bunch of guys. All of a sudden, Fitzpatrick's, Matt Fitzpatrick's caddy, he's having a terrible season.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Honestly, I don't think he's played that well since a couple years ago when he peaked. His, I guess, swing coach, wife is really sick. And he's just staying home with him and can't travel and basically just is taking a hiatus, right, to not work with anybody, let alone Fitzpatrick. So Fitzpatrick hires Blackburn all of a sudden like the last month, he's been awesome.
Starting point is 00:59:40 And he's technically the betting favorite this week. I don't know if I necessarily like him to win, but you look at the field, not great. They're going to be a bunch of guys that are tight because of what's in the line. Fitzpatrick can kind of be free. I think it's pretty clear he's going to be on the Ryder Cup. I think he's playing really well. It's kind of like Goder Rupp. Like if Goder Ups in, he's trending, like kind of ride him.
Starting point is 01:00:00 I love Fitzpatrick to Top 10 in this event. I actually did a little parlay. Fitzpatrick top 10 Homa and Ricky two top 20 and Damon's a guy that you can get like you know top 20 is like 4 to 1 so nap
Starting point is 01:00:13 you know does he run out of juice here a little bit but he's just another guy that's played really well someone asked me like when you bet on someone are you breaking down like how they're chipping out I like two things one how has the guy been playing and if you just look at someone's last month and it's like T10 5th T18
Starting point is 01:00:30 you're like well he's just playing good golf and then if you look at horse history, he's played well there, kind of makes them sense. So I'm a big fan, a Ricky Homa and Fitzpatrick. And that was brought to you by Five Hour Energy, transfusion flavor. Your golf bag secret to turning 18 holes into 36 stock up for your next round at five hour energy.com. Okay, how about the boys at Liv? You know, it's weird. Joaquin Neiman has dominated Liv. If you remember when Liv first started, three or four years ago or whatever,
Starting point is 01:01:04 Dustin Johnson won several times. Like he was by far their biggest get at the time given his age, how he was playing. Like Phil was the biggest name. But Phil, as we see, I mean, he's borderline retired. Dustin, when he got him,
Starting point is 01:01:21 still, I don't want to say in the peak of his powers, but still elite, and just started raking money, start dominating. And every single time they played, I was kind of gambling on him a little bit. could win. And that, you know, Joaquin Neiman is a guy that won on the PGA tour.
Starting point is 01:01:35 He won at Riv. He's a really talented player, and he is dominating this year. Now, I do think overall, like from a financial standpoint, he made like $30 million so far this year. It has been a very lucrative year for Joaquin'em. I would say in the aggregate, him making the move to live financially changed the course of his life. He has made so much fucking money these last couple years.
Starting point is 01:01:58 No chance he regrets it. but when people start anointing you as like one of the best players in the world, he's an elite guy, and you're like, listen, he's really talented, he's young. If he was on the PGA tour, he probably would have won some over the last couple years. He's one big events before. He's a really good player. I do think his year's been a little underwhelming because it was all kind of judged on the majors. Like I know when Liv plays, whether they're in London, whether they're in Chicago in a couple weeks,
Starting point is 01:02:23 wherever they're playing. Joaquin even might win. Honestly, pretty good chance. A couple years ago, like Gooch got hot. Gooch was winning like every other event. Like, okay, what are you going to do in the major? And these last two majors in the open in the U.S. opening, he missed both cuts.
Starting point is 01:02:36 So it's kind of this weird spot where you wanted to go, this is one of the young, bright players in the game of professional golf. That was the thing with DJ. Like, I'd seen DJ. He won the PJ Tour for a decade straight. He'd won multiple majors. He honestly probably should have won like four or five. So we go to live.
Starting point is 01:02:51 It's like, yeah, he's dominant player. Now he's kind of in retirement mode. But I kind of, I do think Joaquin Neiman in a weird way for a guy that's played really well when he plays these other guys when he plays against rom when he plays against you know bryson like he's gone head to head with those guys and beat them terrell hatton patrick reed i mean these guys are major champions these guys are guys favored when we go to i mean hatton obviously bryson and rome are going to be top 10 guys i mean bryson and rom typically top five guys in every major and wakeneemans beating them and you know when they only play three rounds but he's
Starting point is 01:03:25 he's still beating them. Then he goes to these majors, and those guys shine. It's like, where are you? So I just, I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get a little more to make this argument, like, there is no argument, right? Beside, like he's made a lot of money. One thing last week, though, I was on Twitter, and I saw, listen, the greatest, or one of the greatest, I can't go back like 50 years, but I would say of my lifetime, of a guy hitting a driver off the deck, is Bubba Watson. No one plays that huge fade. I remember when I was playing at the Olympic club,
Starting point is 01:04:02 maybe like four or five years ago when I was living the Bay Area. The guy was playing with was like, yeah, when they had the U.S. Open here, Bubba hated it. Because where the tips were, there were some kind of tight lines or tight lines off the T-box where you had to like hit it through, if you're playing way back,
Starting point is 01:04:20 kind of a narrow kind of shoot, kind of like 18th at a, Augusta, but there were like four or five of those T-shots where you couldn't just, if you play a huge curve to your golf ball, you can't really just aim way left or way right. And Bubba didn't enjoy that course. Well, if you have a wide open course, the Masters is kind of unique beside 18 because you could hit it anywhere and two, it plays to a left, it plays to a draw righty and a lefty hitting a cut and Bubba hits a cut. But he hits this driver off the deck beautifully. Joaquin Neiman's running away with this thing. Bubba's not even.
Starting point is 01:04:55 even in the conversation, until he has a stretch where he goes, birdie, eagle, eagle, birdie, birdie, eagle, birdie. For my count, that is one, two, three, four. That's eight under par in six holes. That's as good as you get. And his two Eagles were on two par fives with driver off the deck both times. One of them, he hit it to like three feet, and the other one he hit it to like 30 feet and made the put.
Starting point is 01:05:21 But watching a guy from 260 to 200, 90 yards, take a driver out, and play this huge cut. All arms, no legs. No one quite does it like Bubba Watson. So that was really enjoyable. And I guess me and Colin in a couple weeks will be in Chicago. I think we're hosting a little something during the day. So we'll see how that goes.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.
Starting point is 01:06:02 First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
Starting point is 01:06:25 This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. we could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Starting point is 01:08:25 Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen should win. I mean, she went down in three. to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface.
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Starting point is 01:09:13 and the easiest way for you guys to get involved on the podcast Okay John I want to know how you would count this round A few years ago I played 4th of July tournament I called The Red, White and the Blue
Starting point is 01:09:26 Each player gets to pick six holes where they play each of the different set of T-boxes It was obviously easier to score This is the only tournament I've ever broken 71 on a birdie-birdie finish. Good job.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Anytime I brought it up to my dad, he generally believes it doesn't count at all. I get his perspective, but I feel it has to count for something because I was the net low round for the tournament while eight players had better handicap. After graduating, I'm pretty burnout of golf, so I don't think I'll even get that close again. What are your thoughts?
Starting point is 01:10:01 Well, I think it's one of those where you can tell people, like the one time I shot under par best round of my life, I played three different T's. I do think there's a dramatic difference in shooting 71. Let's just say we go to a random course. And let's not even say 71.
Starting point is 01:10:18 Let's say 75. Well, if you shoot 75 from the tips and 75 from the male T's, which sometimes are two T's up, I know there are a lot of courses, let's use TPC Scottsdale as an example. There are the black T's where the pros would play. And then there are the blue teas, which are decent player would play.
Starting point is 01:10:39 And then you can even play the whites. So I've shot 73 or 74 from the blues at a TPC. That is not the same, I think, as like shooting 78 from the tips. So it doesn't count. It doesn't mean you can't be excited you played well. Because I've said before, you can play different courses. If I take you to ladies' teas, like for me, I hit the ball pretty far. So if you take me to the red T's, some holes, I have like a 50-yard shot in instead of 150-yard shot in.
Starting point is 01:11:11 That can be, I would rather have a 9-iron that 50-yard shot. I don't feel comfortable hitting that 50-yard shot. So it can be more difficult. But that's not the way people think. I totally agree that the PGA is the fourth major. And honestly, it's not even close. I feel like the U.S. Open has the hardest challenging golf. The Open has a link-style weather.
Starting point is 01:11:30 And the master is sweet for obvious reasons. but the PGA while a valid major just doesn't have any character what would you think the PGA being hosted at courses with an emphasis of being visually stunning and setups that really vary from standard quote unquote tour look I'm thinking Wolf's Creek, Bandon Dunes
Starting point is 01:11:49 and some wild mountain courses it'd be that the pros might tear the places like that apart but damn that would be cool to watch I would be totally okay with that I think one reason that some of the courses you've thrown out They just have no chance. I think the distance element, like what these guys.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Now, it could be so windy at Banded Dunes. Those guys would be bitching and moaning. Oh, my God. But I do think some of the distance for some of these courses make it really difficult to, for them to do that. And I think the PGA of America, you know, I don't know. I'd be down. You wouldn't hear me complain.
Starting point is 01:12:34 That's just clearly not going to happen. ever. Now granted, I think some of the PGA championships coming up, I think once, I think they're going to have it at Olympic Club coming up, but I'm with you. I think at Bannon Dunes, why not just have an event at Bannon Dunes? Why can't we do that? Why can't we just have an event at Bannon Dunes? Who would complain about that? Nobody ever? You're probably aware, but maybe some listeners aren't, that anyone other exempt who finishes top four at the open and the other majors gets an invite
Starting point is 01:13:07 in the next year's masters. Why doesn't NBC lean into this? The tournament was over when Scotty hit a shot to a kick-in range on number one. When Houton Lee and other guys on the range get in the range of an invite on the final few holes,
Starting point is 01:13:24 the coverage can't lean into that at all. To me, it's a legit, interesting story worth celebrating alongside a great champion in Scotty. I don't think it takes away from the winner and it also acknowledges a guy needing to par, Bertie, whatever, to earn his way to Augusta. I do wonder if it's because, like, let's use CBS or NBC, or I guess CBS has the Masters.
Starting point is 01:13:46 But if NBC has the Open, they go, well, we don't have the Masters, so why even promote it? It's like, well, guys, it's the Masters. Who cares? Like, we're all watching it anyway. Anyone that's watching the NBC broadcast is going to watch the Masters. But I do wonder if that factors in.
Starting point is 01:14:05 I've always thought the Gulf Media loves saying that they needed to like a cut cam on Friday it's like guys most of these events non-majors are on golf channel and do like three four five hundred thousand people on a Friday afternoon that a cut cam it's one of those things that sounds good on Twitter it's in reality it's not doesn't add that much I think to the entertainment product on television like again it sounds really cool but in terms of how many people are watching would it make that big a difference. I hear what you're saying, but
Starting point is 01:14:38 they don't care. Do you think within the next two or three years, suspensions will be lifted for live players to play some PGA events? Would be sweet to see Ron, Bryson, Phil at the waste management again. I do think Phil's retired. Like, whenever Phil and Liv
Starting point is 01:14:56 end, I think he's done playing golf. And I think he's close to being done, quote-unquote, competitive golf now. So I think we're coming down the home stretch of Phil Mickelson's career. I think Bryson and John Rom, 1,000%. I would use Terrell Hatten as well, Joaquin Neiman, any of their top guys, Patrick Reed. This is the issue, is these players are so hell bent like, guys, these decisions were made. It's over. We've all moved on.
Starting point is 01:15:28 So if we're going to get uniformity again, the new CEO, I got to be willing to lift these suspension and let these guys play when they want to play. And again, it could just be like, hey, if you're interested, we'll give you two or three tournaments a year. So if like John Robb, Scottsdale guy, you want to play in the waste management, you're in. Riviera, Torrey Pines, you like those courses, you're in. Bryson, Texas guy, any of the Texas tournaments you're interested, you're in. Some of the Florida guys, Phil, or DJ, Brooks, Haddon, whoever, Neiman, I guess he lives in Florida.
Starting point is 01:16:02 the Arnold Palmer, Bay Hill, the player, I guess the players, you, I don't know, it's just so stupid. Can we just let everyone play together again? Curious how much your scores fluctuate. According to my Garmin golf app, where I log all my rounds,
Starting point is 01:16:24 I'm a six and a half, but I shot 92. Yesterday. My previous round, I was plus four through 15, and had to quit because the rain rolled in. Not sure if my Garmin app is accurately, accurately calculating a handicap. I mean, I can shoot anywhere from 74 to 88. So I think most people that aren't a scratch can vary.
Starting point is 01:16:48 I mean, if you take me to a course and my driver's off, I can shoot 85 with ease. You can take me to a hard course if I'm hitting fairways and putting decent, like I can shoot 76. So I think you're most of us, especially if you were, I would say like a four, five, six, seven, eight, kind of that range. Because if you're a 15, someone goes, oh, I'm a five.
Starting point is 01:17:09 You think that guy's really good. A five handicap with ease can shoot 85, with ease, right? And that 15 handicap, if he's playing decent, can shoot 92. So you're like, there's only like a, your five handicap, I'm a 15. And if we played match play, maybe you only beat him by one hole. So I don't think it's that weird at all. Sometimes these golf accounts will tweet or Instagram out stuff like that. Like, they're like, hey, this is what a three handicap shoots.
Starting point is 01:17:40 When you just say, hey, I'm a three handicapped. The average person that plays golf that's like a double-digit handicap will think that guy's shooting 74 every round. He is 100% not shooting 74, 75 every round. A lot of 79s. A lot of 80s. And if you're shooting 80, you are a bad shot away from shooting 83. I see more a cow was on the fringe of the Rider Cup team. Not only is his game not where he needs to be, the guy seems like a tough hang.
Starting point is 01:18:09 I can never see him the same after watching him on full swing. I'm not sure I'm the only one. Also, did you read Alan Shipnuck's Phil Mickelson's book? I took Collins' advice and read it. Really enjoyed it. Highly recommend. Although I disagree with Alan on a few things, I can see why Phil doesn't love the book.
Starting point is 01:18:31 I have not read it yet, but... And let's be real, I'm more of an audio book guy. I'm reading or listening to a wise guy right now, which is the book that Scorsese made Goodfellas off of. Scorsese actually in the audio version of this book, and I would imagine the actual book, too, gave the forward. And I'm also listening to some of Charlie Munger's, I think like the... Smart investor or the complete investor. So the thing with audiobooks, I can go back and forth. With actual tangible books, one, I'm just not great at reading them anymore in terms of just sitting down, letting loose.
Starting point is 01:19:17 I need to. It's something I want to do, but I also know myself. It's easier for me to fire through audiobooks. I do think you probably retain more information when you sit down and read them than when you listen, but it kind of is what it is. just curious as to what your take is on golf expectations for new golfers was playing with my dad my father-in-law last week and he's pretty solid probably around a 10 he told me that i was a good golfer but i tend to expect too much of my game only being five or so years in what do you think realistic expectations should be for a normal guy playing a
Starting point is 01:19:51 couple times a week as he gets into the game well depends what you shoot right so if you've been in the game for five years and especially let's just assume the summer, you play a little more, and you start shooting, I don't know, 90, right? You break 90 a couple times. I don't think it's crazy to be mad if you shoot 100, right? Scores are all relative, right? I've said this forever about money. Money's all relative.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Money to some people, seems like a lot, to others seems like nothing. No different than golf. Pro golfers get really mad when they shoot 73. If I shot 73 every single round the rest of my life, I'd be. the happiest golfer in the history of the game, right? But if I shot 88, I'm mad. So it's all, it's kind of relative to what you are shooting. And then, like, is what you do well? Like, if you're a good driver of the ball or a good chipper of the ball, if you have a bad day doing one of those, like sometimes it's, well, if I'm doing this bad, I'm in trouble, right? So I think it's, it's so,
Starting point is 01:20:54 um, everyone is kind of their own story on the golf course based on what your handicap is, based on what you're shooting, based on how you've been playing, based on your expectations, are you gambling, right? Because I think it's also like if you're betting someone, even if you play well and you lose, like you can be mad. I do think though there gets to a point. And I've had one moment in the last like four years where I kind of like slammed the club, made a huge kind of hole in the ground on a T-box
Starting point is 01:21:29 and the next hole is through my hat. I was like, I'm a fucking loser. What am I doing? I'm playing for 20 bucks. In what world can I... Why am I getting so mad? One, when you get really mad at golf, it doesn't really help you out.
Starting point is 01:21:44 And two, like, it was kind of the bum gardener thing. When you used to pop up a pitch, it's like, and then the guy threw his bat. It's like, bro, you expected to fucking hit a home run? Well, I expected to shove it right down, you know, Broadway and strike your ass out. So you just act like a pro.
Starting point is 01:22:01 Kind of act like a pro. you've been there before. Even the bum garner. I thought sometimes would get a little mad. Like guy pimped the home run. It's like Madison, the guy's hit a home run off you. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.
Starting point is 01:22:18 And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.
Starting point is 01:22:27 We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't.
Starting point is 01:22:39 I don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
Starting point is 01:23:06 But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
Starting point is 01:23:34 Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.
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Starting point is 01:24:56 I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerner Rabakina is. arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Starting point is 01:27:17 US amateur good player have you played Olympic that I have played it a bunch first golf tournament ever went to 1998 the US Open with my father his buddy Jerry and my buddy Travis I remember watching John Daly
Starting point is 01:27:32 hit off the first hole put a cigarette on the ground that was sweet that was 18th hole I remember Payne Stewart hit like three puts right back to himself. The last time I played a couple years ago with a buddy, I was actually, I played in the member guest there. They have ripped up the course and changed it,
Starting point is 01:27:50 so I have not played whatever this new version is. I know that a lot of members had complained. The course was really hard, and the bunkers were outrageously hard. So if you weren't really good, and even really good players, I think, didn't love that course because it wasn't always that fun to play, if you were a little off.
Starting point is 01:28:10 But I do think it's sweet. Enjoy it. I mean, it's one of, it's got to be that and Pebble Beach, the most historic course out west. I mean, there are pictures in the clubhouse, like I think Bobby Jones,
Starting point is 01:28:27 like the 1920s hitting out of this crazy rough. Obviously, they've hosted U.S. opens there for decades. It's historically one of the harder U.S. open venues, not name Oakmont. I mean, they've had years where I think even or plus one won it, maybe minus one won it. Back when Webb Simpson, what Webb Simpson in 2012?
Starting point is 01:28:54 2012, maybe? Jim Furik pumped it to the left on hole 16, I think it was. It was 2012. Webb Simpson shot plus one, and he won by one stroke. So if your major's plus one Now the game's a lot different now Guys hit it way farther So I don't know if plus one would do it there now
Starting point is 01:29:17 But Okay a couple more questions I started golfing about a year ago And it was gifted a set of hand-me-downs For my boss And I've been using them ever since I supplemented the set with The driver woods and putter that I'm happy with
Starting point is 01:29:30 I like the wedges but the irons are a set of Mizzuno blades They are in decent shape But they're not very forgiving No they're not As I improve the sport, is it worth investing in different, more forgiving irons? Or should I stick with the blades because as I get better, I'm going to want to feel more? Or should I just upgrade them as they wear out and buy something that better fits my playing style?
Starting point is 01:29:54 I would say in 2025, there couldn't be a more difficult path to trying to improve at the sport than playing a set of Mizuno blades to start off your golfing career. golf is frustrating even if you have equipment that fits you and is forgiving it is extremely difficult if the day and age of people playing blades in general is kind of over even when you look at a lot of the pros they might have a pitching wedge a nine iron and an eight iron in the quote unquote blade but seven six five usually are more the quote unquote cavity back or a thicker back to iron so you are making the game extremely difficult. It's already hard enough.
Starting point is 01:30:38 I would look into, even if it's just a pair of use clubs that don't even necessarily are fit, you know, are actually set to your quote-unquote fitting. That's way too hard. I would not do that. That does not sound fun at all. I've been playing golf for 40 years old for 30-plus years. You couldn't pay me.
Starting point is 01:31:02 just to recreationally play with blades right now. That sounds miserable. It doesn't sound fun. It's too hard. The game is way too difficult to do it that way. Okay, a couple more. Watching Scotty's historic run, it has been sweet, but got me thinking,
Starting point is 01:31:20 what's the difference between guys like Spieth, Brooks, that go on heaters versus career greatness like Tiger and Phil that are able to sustain winning and success for a decade versus a year or two? Pure talent, mental game, dedication, craft. Let's use Jordan as an example. I would imagine if you did like a deep dive on speed, his work ethic, love and passion for the sport, competitiveness. Like he checks all those boxes, right?
Starting point is 01:31:48 His drive to try to win, his ability to play in the bright lights. As I was told a long time ago by someone they got a golf lesson from Butch Harmon, and they asked Butch, what do you think of Jordan? and this is, I think, like, 2017. So kind of toward the end of his couple of year, crazy heater. And Butch said, listen, if he ever stops putting,
Starting point is 01:32:10 like the greatest putter of all time, he'll come back to the pack. Because he is on one of the craziest putting heaters in the history of the sport. He doesn't hit it that long, relative to some of the guys. And he's not a straight driver of the golf ball. Now, actually, in 2025,
Starting point is 01:32:28 and recently, straighter driver off the teeth, but so is everybody. That's the equipment. His irons aren't as good. I just think one, and Jordan's talked about this, your body changes. So as your body changes, your swing changes. I mean, Tiger made four swing changes. I heard someone say this once about Phil. If you look at his swing over the last 20 years, it's kind of the same.
Starting point is 01:32:51 Phil is actually really flexible. And when you look at Phil's movement, like it's pretty long. his swing speed is kind of, it looks, kind of mirrors what it's been since he started winning majors. Even now, it's 55. It doesn't look that much different. Where Jordan, like, is always got weird shit going on. Kepka, injured.
Starting point is 01:33:12 I think sometimes guys just maybe get a little older and don't work quite as hard. Like, DJ's an example. Your body betrays you. Kepka's knees get kind of fucked up. Golf's hard. I mean, it's just, you could be a 10 handicap, you can be a 2 handicap,
Starting point is 01:33:31 you can go on stretches where you're playing really well, and all of a sudden something just changes. And you like, don't really know what to do. And I think the difference of a pro golfer in one of us is, then if you're a pro golfer, you start over-analizing it. And you even make yourself worse. What Patrick Harrington say, that more tournaments have been lost on the driving range than won?
Starting point is 01:33:51 More careers have ended on that thing as well. So I just think golf's weird. the harder you try, sometimes the worse you get. It's got kind of like this baseball feel to it, but you still have to work really hard and kind of stay dialed into your craft. It's like you watch Scottie Sheffer and you think it's kind of a sustainable thing. He can hit all the shots. He's excellent with his driver, Unreal Iron player, great chipping,
Starting point is 01:34:21 putting just in general's kind of for any good player can be a little streaky. but it's like that feels sustainable you know Dustin Johnson for a long time felt sustainable Kepka always felt a little bit like what's going on here five of his nine wins
Starting point is 01:34:38 were majors is he's not trying is he more of a bright lights guy he won think about this seven of Brooks Kepka's nine wins five are majors and two are waste management
Starting point is 01:34:51 so what's clear with Brooks Kepka he likes it fucking the light and the intensity and it to be prime time. He probably liked the waste management crowds. Rory McElroy hates him. Now, it's, you know, Tiger hated him too. Because those guys don't need a manipulated crowd to like get into it. They get a crowd wherever they go.
Starting point is 01:35:12 So I don't know if that's a great answer. I don't think people know. If Jordan knew he would fix it. But I don't think it's like the intent. It's not like lack of trying or lack of practice. I think it's just the nature of golf. enjoy your perspective on things. Around this time last year,
Starting point is 01:35:29 Zander had won the open and locked in two majors in the same season. You had said that Scotty would trade his seven-win, one major-24, for Zander's two-win, two-major-24 season. I do believe that. At that time, there was some debate about who deserves the PGA player of the year. The 25 season isn't over, but given where we are now,
Starting point is 01:35:51 if Scotty had to pick his more successful season, Do you think he'd say 24 or 25? One million percent this year. One million percent. Now, the difference is, is did Zander Schofley win a tournament last year beside the majors? He won the PGA, the Open, he did not. So, Scotty Sheffler has won multiple tournaments this year, right? He definitely won a tournament in Texas.
Starting point is 01:36:21 his year, this year is just better than Zanders last year. Like this year he's got, he won the CJ Cup by 8 shots. Yeah, I think even if we don't count that, which he beat the shit of everybody there. In a season, if you win two majors in the Memorial, and he won the Memorial by four shots. So he won Jack's tournament, the PGA Championship, and the Open. Zander just won the two majors. So I think what he take is however many wins he had last year, seven in the Masters.
Starting point is 01:36:57 He'd already won a Masters too. I think he would definitely take this season. One million percent take this season. I do believe what I said last year too. Once you get to these guys level and you're so rich, I mean, these guys have so much money, you would take multiple majors over any other accomplishments, right, unless you won like 10 times.
Starting point is 01:37:19 But would Scottie rather win five times and win one major or win one time in two majors? He will take the multiple majors every time at this point. Every time. And that year for Zander changed his life because he was already an elite player. He's one of the best Americans of his generation. He's won tournaments. He's a writer-couper. He's great in majors.
Starting point is 01:37:42 But it was like, is this guy ever going to win a big one? And then he's won two. You can never see shit about it. I do think Zander will win another one. honestly he's battling back from the injury this year he hasn't been that bad in majors i think he top 10 and two uh definitely he i think he top 10 in the in the open and i think he was in the mix kind of a backdoor masters i don't think he was bad in the masters i would i would take the over like does dander win another major i would say 1,000% yes and if you end up with three like
Starting point is 01:38:10 google how many guys have won three career majors that's a big deal so winning two in one year kind of changed your life now maybe it was just the year where he kind of like Like his Marco Mirre year, right? Where he just took advantage and one is two. It happens. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.
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