The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Joe Douglas gets fired, Netflix has issues, Kauff on Campus

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

John reacts to the news of the day that the New York Jets have fired their GM, Joe Douglas. John dives into what this firing means for the Jets moving forward and if getting rid of Douglas was the right move for the organization. Later, John talks about the report from Adam Scheffter saying that he could see many more firing this season. Next, he gives his take on Netflix and the streaming issues it had during the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight. Lastly, John has another installment of Kauff on Campus. 6:25 - Joe Douglas gets fired 24:00 - Possible future head coaching jobs 31:00 - Netflix and it's streaming 41:00 - Kauff on Campus Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are we doing? John Middilkoff 3 and Out podcast. Hopefully you're doing well. Hopefully you have a good day. Good morning. Good afternoon. Better than Joe Douglas, who was fired as the jet. GM on Tuesday.

We will dive into that. Why he was fired. Where it all went wrong for the Jets who now don't have, who have an interim coach and an interim GM. Phil Savage. One of my

close buddies in the NFL. I'm fired up for Phil. Keep an eye on Phil. Phil's former GM. Works for the Ravens forever. Good hire there, Woody. But he's very good close with Joe Douglas.

So just a disastrous situation with the Jets. I also want to dive into some of the coaching changes. Schefter mentioned potentially seven or eight openings this year. We already got a couple. We have three that are inevitable as well, so I got five that are locks. And then it just, you know, we got some swing ones. So we will dive into that.

I do want to touch on the Netflix, the fight, and just all the negativity surrounding it. I don't know why everyone's complaining so much. And then we'll go on campus, cough on campus. I'm adding a little intern. and his name is Jackson. I met him at the golf course. He played football at Montana. Loves college football.

He's working in the sports business. It's at the local radio station here in Arizona, doing some producing. He's doing his own content. This guy is just a junkie. And I've been thinking for a while. I want to add some other voices to the show. So we will bring him on for Kauff on campus

and he'll ask me some questions, things that he's interested in in college football, and then we'll kind of riff off that. So fun show today. Always looking to expand here. Three and Out. Can never be content. But man, people getting fired left and right.

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Whether you're Belichick, whether you're Andy Reid, whether you're Bill Parcells or Bill Parcells or bill polio, 99% of people get fired. You are hired to be fired. It's an extremely competitive job. In 2024, guys are getting more money than they ever have. The owners have more capital than they've ever had, and that number only goes up by the year.

So the reason they don't just cut players more often is because of the salary cap and the implication of dead money. But that does not exist when you talk about coaches, their coaching staff, and the front office. You can hire and fire them at will.

And if you are willing to buy another guy two days later and quadruple his salary, it doesn't impact your team at all. And Joe Douglas at the time in 2019 got a pretty historic GM contract. It was six years and it was well over $20 million.

Now, he had a lot of leverage. The Jets were desperate. And he got paid a premium. And that's all the money he ever got because he didn't get a contract extension and now he is no longer the general manager. And I don't think this scenario of what happened is that complicated.

Now, like, anytime you go to work for certain franchises, you know it could be very rocky. And there's a reason that a lot of people, and listen, I knew a lot of people that worked for him in Philadelphia. He is very, very well thought of in the NFL. People like the guy. And he was getting advice at the time before he accepted the job.

Hey man, use this leverage while you have it and drive up the amount of money they're going to pay you because this is the type job that you might not make it out, you know, professionally alive. And typically GMs get one shot. This is not coaching where, you know, usually guys get a, second job. For the most part, guys, get their one opportunity. And if you're going to get your one opportunity, you better take it all the way to the bank. And he did. But Joe Douglas's

job performance is going to be defined by one thing and one thing only. He couldn't get the quarterback position right. And I was told when he interviewed Robert Sala and Robert Sala was bringing along LaFleur with them from the 49ers. That they were all in on coaching Sam Darnold. That the scheme was going to be conducive to helping Sam Darnold just to become a solid player. And time has proven, who liked him? Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell. What scheme do they run?

You know, versions of each other. Exactly what LaFleur wanted to do. Now, I don't know what changed, but I have been told something changed. once they got there. And they ended up getting rid of Sam Donald and drafting Zach Wilson. And if I gave you, let's say, a million dollars and I said, listen, you have to invest all of it.

But there's a caveat. You can invest it in whatever you want. You have to split it in half, take $500,000 and go all in on something. So take half your funds and go all in. And you can invest the other 500 grand, whatever you want. 100 grand here, 75 grand here, 50 grand here,

diversify your portfolio. Well, if you lose that 500 grand that you go all in on the one thing, invest in a building, invest in one stock, invest in whatever, and that goes to zero, even if you double the other $500,000, you didn't make any progress. And the reality is when you draft a quarterback number 2,000, overall, and then because that fucks up, you have to trade a first round pick and another second

round pick and pay that guy a boatload of money. That is a disproportionate amount of the capital within your organization. Because it's Howie Roseman once famously said in a press conference, every team is allotted the same draft capital. Every team gets to decide how they want to use their first, second, third, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks. The reason that all these teams have a different amount of cap space in draft picks is because they divvied up different ways.

And when you have the number two overall pick, that's worth a lot. And he drafted Zach Wilson. And it turns out that Zach Wilson, a lot like Trey Lance, who Jerry Jones said today, yep, Cooper Rush gives us the best chance to win. These guys went two and three in the draft. Four years later, they can't even win a backup job. Those are historic bus.

And then you get the opportunity to trade for a legend. The problem is he happens to be 39, 40 years old. And then he rips his Achilles. And now he looks dramatically worse than he did a couple years ago when he was on the Packers, when he didn't look that great and that was the main reason they wanted to get rid of him. so Joe Douglas took a large portion of his assets and invested it in the quarterback position once he traded Sam Donald into Zach Wilson

and then he had to chase his losses with Aaron Rogers and they both went belly up and he has nothing to show for it because as a wise man in the NFL told me probably within the last couple years he said listen John let's just say we have eight or nine draft picks slash moves and Joe hits 95% of them. Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, this kid from Penn State to tackle,

Breece Hall, you know, investing, giving Quinn and Williams a big contract, DJ Reed, like all the players on our team that just trading for Devante, like our team just looks really good on paper. If all of them hit and the quarterback whiffs, we're fucked. yet if it's the opposite, if we hit on the quarterback and he whiffs on a bunch of those, we will get contract extensions. It's like, listen, if I go back to the analogy of the million dollars,

if that diversified $500,000 doesn't really do much, you don't make any money on it, but the one that you go all in on is Navidia and you 100 extra money, who gives a shit about that other 500 grand. That's the power of a quarterback. Because when you nail it, it changes your franchise. The 49ers did the same thing. They whiffed.

And then they struck oil with Brock Purdy. Because if Brock Purdy didn't exist and they were doing the same things that the Jets are doing, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan would be in trouble. Why? Because you can't win with no quarterback play. it is literally impossible. You need functional quarterback play just to compete. And to compete at the highest levels, you need good quarterback play.

Obviously, there are other variables. You could make the argument like the Bengals are getting outstanding quarterback play and they're losing games. Now, they're losing a lot of one-score games, but you know what I mean? But Joe Douglas's job, 30 and 64, is truly defined by bad quarterback play. And you could also make the argument, and listen, he's become a sympathetic figure because once they fired him, the team got worse.

If your job security is most dependent on either who you draft or the quarterback you signed in free agency, I would say right there hand in hand is the coach you hire. And you hired a defensive head coach that was a little over his head when it came to offensive stuff.

And it wasn't going well on offense. And in a league, that is predicated on the quarterback and offense, it can be a struggle. And clearly, Aaron Rogers didn't like Robert Sala, and that's a huge reason I think he got fired. I don't know why he would have anything against Joe Douglas, given that Joe Douglas capitulated everything he wanted. But like, Aaron Rogers is ultimately Joe Douglas's problem. And Aaron Rogers failures and him looking like he's 95 years old is the reason that Joe

Douglas today was told like you're done. And listen, Joe Douglas was done the same day Robert Sala was done. It was over. His contract was up at the end of the year. He wasn't getting renewed. And it all comes back to the quarterback. And listen, do you know what it turns out? If you could ask him, if you could have one move over, what would it be? It wouldn't be not trading for Rogers. It would be just keep Sam Darnold another year. Take a deep breath.

Because looking back, Trevor Lawrence goes one. Zach Wilson third string, Trey Lance third string, Mack Jones should be a third stringer, and Justin Fields got bench for a guy who, you know, I'd say on a good day is like 14th best quarterback in the NFL, somewhere between like 14 and 20.

So it was a really bad quarterback class. And that started the drip, drip process of what led them to where they're at today. Because it's pretty clear, like Joe Douglas has a pretty good idea for talent. There's no disputing that. Like, he's a good GM in terms of non-quarterback position. But he went all in on Zach Wilson. And I saw Coward talking about it today and he's not wrong. That year in 2020 was, it turned out to be the 21 draft, but the 20 football season in college is one of the greatest Fugazis we've ever seen. Trey Lance played one game and no one considered it

of any value. Zach Wilson's schedule and BYU schedule is usually pretty good especially before they joined the Big 12. They were an independent team, but they would play a lot of like legit squads. That thing was a joke. I mean, the best team they played that year was Coastal Carolina.

So, I mean, Mac Jones, Alabama won the national championship, and they're one of the greatest programs of all time. But one huge advantage that team had is when the whole world was locked down, well, not the whole world, I mean, half the states in this country, were rocking and rolling by the summer. I know the state that I'm living in definitely was.

But, you know, in the South, you know, it was very difficult to bring guys on campus. College campuses were pushing back. Nick Sabin and Alabama had a workout program going on at, you know, Land of Dickerson's house. And that thing was rocking and rolling. It's why when they played everybody, they look completely normal. These other teams look fucking lost. Mack Jones had one of the more manipulated seasons in the history of college football. Now, props to Bama, they never kept their foot off the pedal.

That's what successful people do. But Mac Jones, I mean, I remember when it was discussed about Kyle Shanahan taking him third overall, it's honestly one of the most embarrassing conversations we've ever had in the history of the NFL. Not that he took a different guy that was correct either, but at least he took a swing on a guy with some traits. You know, Mac Jones, most of my life is like a fourth or fifth round draft pick. Like, he doesn't even get drafted on the second day. But that's a conversation for a different day. but regardless, like, the Jets now don't have a head coach,

they do not have a GM, and I promise you this, Rex Ryan is going to be a name you're going to hear more about. I'm not making this up. I don't know, I'm not saying he's going to get the job, but he wants the job. I've been told very reliably that Woody Johnson never wanted to fire him in the first place, and they have a good relationship. And just one big picture thing, like,

who is going to be lined up for this gig? I know Rogers said the other day that, like, you know, I plan on returning next year. It's no longer up to him. Whoever the new coach and new GM will determine that. Like, we don't want you around. Maybe he retires. Maybe they trade him somewhere else. I don't know who would trade for him, but I would say as of right now,

I'd be a little surprised if Aaron Rogers is on the Jets next year. And I'd also be a little surprised if coaches with options, coaches that have teams that want them would choose the Jets if they could choose other teams. Now, money talk shitwalks. Woody Johnson no longer has to pay as general manager after another month.

You know, Robert Sala and his staff, I don't know the contract situations, but it's not like he's going to be paying those guys for years. So if Woody goes, hey, listen, I want Mike Vrable. Here's $17 million a year. be hard to turn that down. So obviously if Woody wants to get really aggressive financially, he can't. And people listen when you get aggressive.

The Denver Bronco job two years ago was an awful job. And they said, hey, Sean Payton, here's $90 million. And do you know what Sean Payton said? Where do I sign? So money is a huge, huge curveball always in these discussions. But I truly believe Rex Ryan is a name to keep an eye on. Okay, the NFL season is rolling along. and contenders are separating from the pack.

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I feel pretty confident saying Iber Fluse will not be the Bears coach next year. So that's four. I think it's pretty clear. that Doug Peterson will not be the coach of the Jags next year. That would be five. Then we start getting curveballs. Is Antonio Pearson one and done? Nick Siriani, who's 8 and 2,

and they're having a good season. They look good. They're clearly right now a top four or five team, probably in the NFL. But a little like James Franklin, like he's going to get judges in the big game. So like, what do you do? if you're the two seed,

you better win that game in the first round. Like, they're going to make the playoffs, they're going to win the division. But if you tell me the Eagles are the second or third seed and they were to lose in the first round, I would say Sirianis fired. Depending on who they play in the second round, like there would be pressure on them to win that game as well.

So I believe he's the one coach of this group, probably because he's the only coach of this group is going into the playoffs. I don't think he is just a lock to keep his job if they go to the playoffs. I do think what happens in the playoffs matters to Siriani. The Browns, a lot of buzz out there about Stefansky. I wouldn't fire him, but a lot like the Jets, owner's nut job.

And you have no clue on any given day what the hell Flying J is going to do. So I think it's fair to say, yeah, Kevin Stafansky's job is just up in the air. would I be surprised if he's nothing happens? No, not at all. If you tell me, Stefansky's the coach of the Browns in 2025,

yeah, I can see that. But if you tell me they just don't win another game and he gets shit-canned because the owner's a nut, like I'd also believe that as well. The Giants. I don't know. I know the owner came out and said,

these guys are not going anywhere. Well, a couple weeks later, Tommy DeVito is now their starting quarterback. So obviously Daniel Jones stinks. It's hard to win games with them. It's going to be hard to win games with Tommy DeVito. So all of a sudden you lose like Cooper Rush on Thanksgiving. Who knows?

Cincinnati. The quarterback is, I mean, you could argue he's playing as well as any player in the league, any position. Jamar Chase has been a dominant force in your four and seven. So I think it's fair to say that Zach Taylor's job is in major jeopardy. I'd say Tampa's a little bit of a wild card. I think Todd Bull has done a good job as a head coach, but what if they think they can get Belichick? So you get the Raiders,

the Browns, the Giants, Sinci, Tampa, and who knows? Maybe I'm missing some wildcard team. I know if you spend enough time on the internet, 90% of 49er fans on the internet think Kyle Shanahan should be fired. One, he shouldn't be fired. Two, he's not going to be fired. And three, if Kyle Shanahan was fired, every single team I listed would line up to hire them

as well as teams would fire their coach to hire the guy. But here's what I think would happen. I think the Eagles would immediately fire Siriani and offer Shanahan like a five-year contract. But Chanahan is not going to get fired. Again, nor should he, I would give Shanahan a contract extension. Because when you look at this, let's just say, let's pick a number.

Let's say there's seven openings. Are there seven candidates? Do you feel good about hiring? if we assume Belichick is going to get a job. And I would say I'm not 100% that Bill Belichick's going to be a head coach in 2025, but I'm above 75%. Mike Vrable,

who pretty clearly probably wants to be a head coach again. Let's say he's got a job. Let's say Ben Johnson finally goes, it's my time, to quote fabulous. It's my time. And takes a job. Okay, there's three guys. Aaron Glenn goes to the Saints or the Jets.

Okay, that's four. Like, are there enough candidates to satisfy these openings? And I think the answer is, I'm not sure. Like, the reason you get so many of these coaches hired and then three or four years later fired, because were they really great candidates? Like, is Bobby Sloick right now? Maybe it would be in three or four years

an excellent candidate right now. He's called plays for two fucking years. When the 49ers hired Kyle Shanahan in 2017, he had been a play caller for close to a decade. Some of these guys just started calling plays because they were never able to call plays because they worked for play callers. Now, it doesn't mean that you won't be good at it. I would say we all think Kevin O'Connell's pretty good. And he never really got to call plays when he worked for Sean McVeigh or Jay Gruden because he was the quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator where those guys were calling plays. But still, like, I just don't know.

I brought up the names like Kirby Smart. It's why Dan Lanning's name got thrown out there the other day. It's like, who are we really competing against? Who are, now there are some older coaches. Who are coordinators? Would you sniff around? Like, is anyone interviewing Steve Spagnola?

Is someone interviewing and hiring Jesse Mentor? Harbaas, defensive coordinator? Vance Joseph, Sean Payton's defensive coordinator. We've seen him be a head coach before, did not go well. So I don't know.

I think it's easy to fire your coach because you think he stinks. And I'll never blame an owner. If you don't take the guy seriously, you don't take the guy seriously. You just pray to God that you're not firing the next Belichick or like Dan Snyder in 2012 when he fired Mike Shanahan in that crew. You're just hoping you fire, you know, some rando like Joe Judge. Like this is going to age well. But who do you hire?

I think it's so easy to be like, fire the coach, okay, who do you hire? Really quick on the Netflix thing. I watched a decent amount of it. I did have a hard time buffering,

which really threw me off because when we remodeled this house before I even moved in, I paid this company a lot of money to hardwire my house. Obviously, it's my business. I was going to go all YouTube TV so you could not.

It'd be hard, given the same. size of my house to spend any more money on the electrical operation that I got set up in my pad with all the TVs wired. I have this huge box in a closet that I don't even know what it is from the, you know, it's like Fort Knox with cameras, the whole thing. But I had to have the fastest internet set up humanly possible. And I remember turning that thing on, you know, right as it started and it just would not load. And it really, really threw me off and didn't know what was going on.

And obviously a bunch of people experienced it. And then you just topped on Twitter and everyone complained. And everyone complained until the moment that thing ended. And I didn't quite understand that. I get as a consumer, if I buy a pay-per-view, and I go back and I mention this to Colin, being in college, when Oscar de La Jolla fought Floyd Mayweather, it was such a terrible fight. And at the time, whatever we paid, I mean, all the time.

chipped in 20 bucks or whatever, 100 bucks, $9,99. We watched it across the neighbor's house at Caitlin's house because she had the pretty sweet setup at Cal Poly. And I remember sitting around, we were all like, this fight sucks. And it's happened a lot in boxing, right? You have

bought pay-per-views that just haven't been that good, but you tell me Floyd's fighting Connor and we're just going to buy it. And then everyone complains. You have a right to complain if the steak doesn't taste good and you just spend $300 at dinner. But at this point in time, when everyone owns Netflix, I don't have to watch it. So I'm just

turning it on. It is, it's not free because I pay for Netflix, but I'm not paying for this. You pay for Netflix for the catalog of all the bullshit that they give us. And ideally, five, six times a year, they give you something that blows your mind. It's, it's much more few and far between now than I think it used to be. I feel like it used to be much better. Now it's much more, uh, I would say, watered down. But like, I have a hard time complaining about something that I didn't pay for directly and I didn't have to watch. You also, part of the intrigue is just any time you say Mike Tyson, it's like saying OJ Simpson. There are certain names that just like, you start paying attention, right? Like, what's, what's happening?

And that's what Mike Tyson is. He's 58 fucking years old. Now, I was hoping, like most people, that I hope Iron Mike just hits him with one right, gets him close, and hits him with one of those famous uppercuts to the jaw and chaos them. It was clear, immediately, that was not going to happen. But when the thing ended, it was like, I just watched a 58-year-old. What did I expect was going to happen? if you said, hey,

the Yukon Huskies are going to take on Michael Jordan and four other guys. We all watch. I think it's fair to assume at 60 years old, Michael Jordan would not be good at basketball. Why? He's old. I've always said, like, Aaron Rogers, why he sucks now, he can't move.

His arm is still really good. Dan Marina. if you put him in pads in the commercial where he's in pads with like Jerry Rice and Emmett Smith and just had him throw an out route if you let him warm up his arm, I bet it would look pretty good. But if you threw Dan Marino

in a UFL game, one of those spring leagues, I bet if you said, hey, Dan Marino is starting for the Florida, whatever they are, against the Birmingham, you know, rivercats, quadruple the amount of people

that would normally watch would watch. I think it's fair to say that he would suck. So, 58 years old boxer, regardless of being one of the all-time legends and most powerful punchers in the history of civilization, he was 58 years old. So I think we're so quick to complain. I always notice this. Everyone loves doing a negative spin on stuff.

Sometimes if I just need to chill, I'll just go to YouTube and just go down on a rabbit hole of some music. And I'm a big, like, type in whoever I want to listen to acoustic. Like, I want to hear them just raw and real. And if you go to anyone, especially my generation, right, people from the 90s. So, like, I find myself just getting in these moods where I want to listen to the music that I grew up on. I think, and I will probably always think, that that's the best time in the history of music. Why? Because that's what I grew up on. Just like most people, the music they grew up on usually means the most. But if you go to the comment section of anything, whatever I'm listening to,

Soundgarden, Dr. Dre, you fucking name it. All the comments are with a negative spin. Remember when music was great? How much better this music is than what is playing now? These guys today could never do this. it's the easiest thing to do. And don't get me wrong, like, I can be negative as well. But on this situation, like, I don't know what anyone expected, right?

This was, Netflix is in the business of getting a lot of people to watch these events. And it worked. And honestly, boxing has been really good at that over the years. Because they do these circus act things that draw us in. And then we watch. and then we immediately complain. I told Coward this the other day. I'm not a big...

When I was at Cal Poly, Chuck Laudel was in this heyday. Chuck Laudel wrestled at Cal Poly and trained at Cal Poly. So it was a really big deal in the early mid-2000s. And we used to buy the fights and it was awesome because the Ice Man, he was a one-hitter quitter. And I don't buy most of the UFC cards. Not because I don't respect the business. Not because I don't know how tough those guys is.

I also went to college with Chad Mendez. Toughest little fucker I've ever seen in my life and probably the toughest guy I'll ever be around. And he obviously fought Aldo and Connor McGregor. Like, you get in that octagon, you have to be a complete badass. But even with the promotion, and they've done a great job,

and they've become a mainstream success, it's not quite the hype of a big boxing match. And maybe because there are fewer of them. Maybe because UFC fights a lot. maybe because like in the fight business, like in entertainment, like in team sports, you go as far as your stars go. When was the NBA the biggest in my life?

Magic, Bird, Michael, Kobe, and Shaq. When was boxing the biggest in my life? Mike Tyson. Floyd Mayweather. No different than UFC. Chuck Lydell. Connor McGregor. You need stars.

And Mike Tyson is a star that still has name recognition. It just happens that he's 58 years old. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news.

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But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking. I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas. And offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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and just question after question on football. And then we started BS and we became buddies and I realized that he works, you know, he played football at Montana, a little walk-on wannabe Julian Edelman, historic program. And this guy, I see him hustling on social media. He introduced me to my video guy, Luis, shooting the golf videos. I was like, this Jackson guy's going places. And I've been thinking for a long time. I'm like, you know, I want to, I need to get some other voices on the podcast,

some young, some young fervor and fire, a football guy. And Jackson asked me over the last six months, hey, man, anything at the volume, anything going on? And I've been thinking about it for a while. And the other day, I was actually in the sauna. It's where I do some of my best thinking. I was like, I just, let's just do it. So I text him the other day, and I'm going to call him intern Jackson, but he's going to, this guy loves college football.

And he's gone, your college wide receiver coach is at Texas now, right? You and your dad went to the Texas game. Yeah, yeah. He was in my receiver coach in high school. Now he's at Texas, so to see him kind of transition from high school to Texas. But no, I appreciate the opportunity. God is good, man. I'm excited to be on here and talk some college football.

and I got some questions for you for Koff on campus that I want you to answer. Fire them out and we'll just go through them because it's kind of, we're recording this before the top 12 reveal, which you could argue doesn't really, I mean, there's so much in flux. Some of these teams still play each other. We know we're going to get some upsets. Once Boise, it looks like, is going to probably, like they're going to get the spot.

I think it's safe to say Notre Dame's going to get the spot, but the SEC has to play itself out a little bit, obviously Indiana, Ohio State this week. But it's been a fun year. Like, listen, people talk shit about the parody. Like, there's not, you know, it's wide open. I actually enjoy that. Like, it's cool when Alabama's in their dynasty

or Miami's in their dynasty or Ohio State or Florida or whatever. But I think the cool part about this year, however, it does shake out, is you could argue of the 12 teams that get in, like eight of them, are going to truly feel like they can win the Natty. You know, Boise is Boise going to feel like they can win the Natty? Is Indiana going to feel like they can win the Natty? Probably not. You know, you're a Notre Dame fan.

Can they win the Natty? I just want one game. I just want one win, John. Just one win. That's all I ask for. We've got to be Army this weekend, though. So let's start in the Bayou. LSU lost three straight games.

Texas A&M, Alabama, Florida. John, does LSU have a Brian Kelly problem? You know what's crazy is? I think when we look back three years ago, they wanted Lincoln Riley, and rightfully so. And it kind of felt like when he went to USC for $120 million, they got, you know, the second girl at the bar, who was a little chubier, not as good looking. But, hey, they were desperate, and she was an upgrade over what they were dating. I thought that it would work and maybe not win a national championship over the first three years, but they would. You told me there was a 12-team playoff.

I would have been like Brian Kelly's in the playoffs. I think this year is way more embarrassing than last year. Like they just had a situation where their defense was terrible. But they still had the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, who looks like he's going to be a star. They were a really, really fun watch. You know, once you lose the USC in a game that I give you a lot of credit, because remember Lincoln Riley is like, I want out, right?

And Brian Kelly's like, fuck that, we're playing. And you lose, whatever. But these three games, to lose, lose to A&M the way they did in the second half, to get boat raced at home with Nick Saban being gone, and to lose that game at Florida. Now, Florida's a tough place to play, and that team was coming, but that was embarrassing, bro.

8 and 4 at LSU is an epic disaster, year three. I mean, with NFL players everywhere. I don't know. I mean, they can't. I read, like, the way the buyout works. It's basically a year-by-year thing. So they're paying the guy $90 million. he's into year three.

Like he's not going anywhere, but I don't see how anyone serious around the program looks at him the same. And the only way that he's going to get out of it is like next year being the final four. But just to get there, we know how hard. I mean, look how hard it is in the SEC.

So does Nussmeyer come back to school? He probably does. Do they want him to come back to school? I mean, they start playing real teams. He's looked like shit. So I don't know. I mean, you're a Notre Dame guy. I think a lot of you guys are kind of dancing on his grave.

The irony is it's easier at Notre Dame because you guys play nobody if he just stay there to go 11 and 1 every year. Like it's just way harder in the SEC. I think it's interesting too with LSU. It's like, well, do you want to win a national championship or do you want to win eight, nine games, barely make the playoff? And then I was going to ask you too, like they've got this five-star kid. I'm sure you've heard of him, Bryce Underwood.

Do they kind of, are they worried to get rid of Brian Kelly because they don't want to lose this five-star? Or do you think that they could get another Dion Sanders come in from Colorado? But isn't that the guy that he's going to charge like $10 million that now Michigan's involved and maybe LSU doesn't have the funds? Just big picture, I would be very uncomfortable always paying huge money for a high school quarterback. I mean, everyone acted like Matt Ruhle was going to win a national championship in a couple of years because he got Dylan Ryola for $4 or $5 million.

And it's pretty clear the reason that he didn't go to Georgia is like Kirby's like, we're not paying it that much money. And I watched Dylan Riola after everyone's like, he's Patrick Mahomes 2.0. Like, he's just not a very good player right now. I mean, it's just, this is nothing personal. He's just, I watch him and I go, like for $5 million, this is not going to work. I feel much better like paying a Dylan Gabriel, paying a Panics, paying a Bow Nicks, like people that you know, Cam Ward.

I would not be in the business of paying 10 million. Like if I'm LSU, I am not getting into a $8, $10 million bidding war over high school recruit. I mean, look at Oklahoma. You know, I mean, Jackson Arnold, boom, Nico can't miss. It's like you watch them. It's like, this is a lot of pressure. So I think LSU, you just got to stick it out with Brian Kelly. But man, how do you think of all the hype too of the coaches in the SEC that everyone's excited about.

Obviously, Georgia thinks they have Nick Saban 2.0, rightfully so. If you're Texas, you're proud of Sark like he's a real coach. Ole Miss, best coach they've had in my life. Alabama, you're like, you were down on him. He's kind of pushing you off. Then boom, he kicks LSU's ass and now you're feeling good. So it's like of all the like top programs, I would say LSU is like the most down on their coach,

which is a problem when you're paying a guy $10 million. Speaking of a program that's high in their coach right now, Colorado Buffaloes that are now favored according to draft kings to win the Big 12, assuming they went out, assuming they win the Big 12 championship, which could be against A. or BYU this Saturday, can Colorado win a playoff game? If you win the conference means you're a top four seed, does that mean you get a home game or by the time they play is there on neutral sites? Do you know the answer to that?

Top four would be neutral site, which would be the Fiesta Bowl here. But it's weird because they're two lost team. Boise State's a one lost team. So some are saying that Colorado wins. They win the Big 12. That Boise State would get that first round by. And then, Colorado would get the 12 seed going to Oregon or Ohio State. But you automatically get a top four seed right when you win the conference. Correct? Correct. Yeah. But it's the top four conference champions. That's why they're kind of speculating

that Boise State could slip in there as that fourth. Oh, if you're saying that if Colorado has two losses, and really when you look at it like who have they beat, and that's part of the problem. I heard Rosillo go on this rant. You know, forever it was conference aligned, you know, inside a conference, the Pact 12, the Big 12, I guess the Big 12 wasn't, but the Big 10 and the SEC was split east and west or north and south. Now it's kind of random. Like the Georgia schedule this

year is pretty insane, right? And then you look at Colorado, their schedule, they don't play BYU in the regular season. Now they played Kansas State and they lost, but they don't even play ASU until they would the championship game. Did they even play Iowa State? And I'm not hating on because they have been really impressive. If you told me, and again, like, depending on how it shakes out, they get a home game, I think that would be a pretty crazy place. That place has been rocking this year. If it's a neutral site game, like, if they get a neutral site game against, like, Texas

or Georgia or even like a Penn State, I think it would be very, very difficult for them. Notre Dame, whoever, all the big 7-8 teams, I think it would be a problem. I think a home game would be, I'd give them a fighting chance. Because I would say a neutral site against the top 7-8 teams, the Bamas, the Tennessees, the Georgia's, Ohio State, Oregon. I think they'd be like a 10-point underdog. What's been the biggest thing for you? Maybe a little less, but I feel like they would be a touchdown underdog, don't you think?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's been the biggest thing for you for Colorado that you've been most impressed with from where we saw the beginning of the season when they lost to Nebraska. A lot of people wrote them off, including myself, to now what's been the biggest difference? They were joking that game. It was like it felt like they were going to win three or four games. I would say it has to be, if you watch them play, they are so good now on defense relative to what they were.

I mean, last year they were, even that first game against North Dakota State, who I, you fall, like, is North Dakota State having a good? season. Pretty good. Yeah. Top three in the FCS right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, they, they are consistent. They've won a bunch of national championships. I mean, they are, I would say, over the last 15, 20 years, the Alabama of that kind of division or right, you know, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, like one of the powerhouse programs. So I, I didn't hold it against them that they were in a tighter game, but in that game, it was like, God, their defense is the same. They can't. And they are, they don't have the athletes that some of these big 12 teams. So I just

expected them to not get to six games. But as the season has gone on, I mean, their defensive line, like, hiring Warren Sapp, I mean, that unit is flying around. And that Shepard kid that they, the transfer from Vanderbilt number 14, he's been really,

really good for them. You know, I think offensively, they feel a little bit more balanced and defensively, that D-line. I mean, just, I feel like they pressured the court. They were never, they were a joke last year. Now, they're also, they're really rolling right now. This Kansas game, I think a lot of people

in the gambling community are kind of in on, Kansas's been playing well. It's going to be tough. I mean, this was a team that a lot of people thought could be a sleeper playoff team, right? KU before the season. I think they lost a ton of one-score games. I was at a bar like last weekend, and it was Colorado was about to kick off against Texas Tech and Kansas was kicking off against Iowa State. And it was like 21-7 before you could even blend. Kansas is playing well. So that's going to be, if Colorado wins this week, I feel pretty confident.

Like, ASU's had a great season, but they're not as good as Colorado, are they? I don't think so. But they could be BYU this weekend. Who knows? Let's go to the SES. But ASU could lose to BYU, too, and then it would be BYU, Colorado, right? Yeah. Which would also be a tough game.

Like, Colorado would be no lock to beat BYU. Like, BYU, we can question whether they were a great undefeated team, but they're good. That would be really, really hard. So if Colorado does win out, and that includes, let's say, BYU, that's a pretty impressive, beating this Kansas team the way they're playing, and then beating BYU in the neutral site. Big 12 neutral site? Pretty sure they are. Yeah, they play an AT&T stadium. Or AT&T, yeah, yeah.

So it's, that'd be, that'll be a lot of people there rooting for Dion, a lot of cowboy fans. Hopefully the state doesn't break down when they play that game. Geez. Third question for you. Let's go back to the SEC. As it sits right now, Texas is first 9 and 1,

followed by 5, 8 and 2 teams. I ask you, John, who's the best team in the SEC right now? Or I should say, who do you trust the most? Because every team we see week in and week out perform their best, look like they're the best team,

and then the next week they lose. I would say Carson Beck is going to play like he did the other night. I mean, everyone's like, oh, what about Carson Beck now? Well, yeah, he had not looked like that all season. If he had been playing like the game he just had at home against Tennessee, we'd be talking about him like a lock first-round pick. Instead, he played like an undrafted free agent. But when your defense is going to be that good,

and they are loaded with NFL guys, and you have a quarterback who, I mean, he was making like layered throws, that's the best team in the country. Like we, you know, listen, I mean, they were so bad that first half against Alabama. But they did lighten up in the second half and come storming back. They beat the shit out of Texas. They were down 10-0 against Tennessee and came storming back and won by multiple touchdowns. Like, I think their ceiling is the highest because if they're, like Carson Beck if he's playing well and Quinn Ewers, if he's playing well, I like Carson Beck more.

I'm not a huge fan of either quarterback, but I like their, I just believe in Kirby smart. Yes, the one thing with Sark, like, they have an awesome roster. You could argue beside Ohio State, the best roster money can buy. But, like, is he truly, my thing with Sark always is, like, is he a tough guy? And I think sometimes in college football, when you get to the final four, now the final eight, like everyone's going to be loaded with NFL guys now. It's like, who's a fucking tough, that's what Saving always had. Like, I was a tough, Urban had that.

They're just these crazy tough motor. In the history of college football, it's a lot of that. right these coaches aren't like known for being bill walsh or bill bill bellichick on a whiteboard sabin was an outlier but i would say sabin hung his hat on being like that guy could give a fucking pregame speech and get the troops ready and i think kirby is the best version of that it's like the one thing like ryan day and chip like they're not tough guys like why do people high on dan landing well who's who did he mentor under kirby you know listen your your guy at nonderdame is a tough guy right he's a former linebacker ohio

State, like he is. Now, are they dynamic enough on offense? But I do believe, like, he is a tough guy. It's just kind of come down to, you know, Rocket Issmile and Jerome Bettis. Like, if they were, if they had LSU's talent on offense, skill-wise, I would take Notre Dame more seriously. What do you make of Ole Miss after that win against Georgia? You didn't think if they get in, they're going to be a tough out for teams in the playoff? For sure. I mean, they're, they got an NFL quarterback. They got a coach that does not give a shit. I would say Lane kind of is in his own little world, though. Like, he's not, it's weird, right?

Like, Sark and Ryan Day are under more pressure. Like, when you coached at Ole Miss, I think last year when he won double-digit games, it was the first time in Ole Miss history. They'd gone back-to-back years with double-digit games. It's like they're just so excited to have a competent football program, right? Where he's not under the same pressure as his guy, Sark. Like, it was like, a couple years ago,

I was like, start going to make it here? Once Lane won 10 games the first time, it's like, hey, contract extension, stay here forever. Even Ryan Day, it's like, I'm not the biggest Ryan Day guy, but his record is fantastic,

and he's like fighting for his job. So it's like, it's hard to know what he would look like. I would say this, the talent on that roster is pretty impressive. I mean, what they did at Georgia the other night or a couple weeks ago in the rain. Now, I think sometimes in college football, in the SEC,

these home field advantages are, just so crazy. So it's like, yeah, if they just played a bunch of neutral sites games, like, how many times Zolmiss beat Georgia on a neutral side if they played 10 times? Probably two or three, but you get them at home. You know, that's a big advantage. Like Tennessee got Bama at Tennessee. You know, it just depends. Georgia had to go to Bama. I do think when you look at all these top teams that are all vying for the playoffs, most of their biggest wins against other sweet teams have not been on the road. Right? A&M beat LSU at home.

Bama beat Georgia at home. Georgia beat Tennessee at home. Ole Miss beat Georgia at home. These fucking places are bananas. And most of these games now that like the new TV deals, I feel like all the big primetime games this year have been the SEC, haven't they? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. ABC's ESPN deal they have.

It's that 1 p.m. slot and that 4.3. 30 p.m. Like Alabama LSU. Yeah, the 430 spot has been the prime. It used to be kind of go back and forth a little bit. Like for most of my adult life, like Ohio State and Michigan and some of the Pac-12 teams would, you know, it would kind of rotate. But now, you know, the big controversy of Big Noon, and rightfully so, they own that

morning spot, which is basically all Ohio State, which is pissing people off. But listen, it's, you're not, you would split viewers against the SEC. So in terms of like they're getting these massive viewers because they're not the morning slot typically sucks. And then the SEC and the Big Ten, or I guess not the Big Ten, but some of the former Pac-12 schools that are in the Big Ten now play in that one o'clock, 430 slot. And it hurts the desks down because it's like, someone texts me the other day like, what did you think in Nebraska, USC? I'm like, I didn't even know they were playing. Right? I didn't even know the game was on.

fighting for a bowl game. Speaking of Big Noon, my fourth question for you, sir, can Indiana stun Ohio State? And if Indiana loses, margin of loss, I guess, will be in consideration for this game. Can the Hoosiers still get in the playoff? This is going to be a polarizing question

because I do think if they lose like, and I don't think this is going to happen. I would expect, I don't know why, besides just watching them play against random Big Ten teams, they beat the shit out of them. Indiana has rolled people. Now this is a completely different world on the road.

And he, you know what's crazy is like, can you imagine a bunch of dudes you play with at Montana? I mean, things have changed because of transfer portal and stuff. Just like two years later, being in like a Big Tanner SEC school and all being starters on an undefeated team at 10 and O. and like this team's going to be one of the best.

That's just a crazy, when I was at Cal Poly, we were pretty good. and the jump, when I got to Fresno State felt like, Jesus. And all those guys, he took a bunch of JMU guys. And my buddy did his guy, Haberman, that does Big Ten Network that's called a bunch of their games, he's like, do you know when he originally recruited those guys at GMU, they weren't like the Appie State like they had already bumped up?

They were still down in D1A. So you could argue that's why he's like an 8, 9 million. If he can develop players, I mean, what an incredible. opportunity because you're never going to out recruit Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, LSU. But if I can get the middle tier guys, why can't I be like the Boise State of the Big Ten? So he has a huge value. But we're going to find out like can his dudes from JMU who have looked incredible. It's, I would say it's a little different animal here.

Those, you know, what's the receiver's name, Jeremiah Smith, the safety that they paid like $5 million from Alabama. I mean, these guys aren't like really good call. These guys are like top five NFL player. Like, if these guys could come out after their freshman or sophomore years, they're getting drafted in the top 10. So, and listen, some of his JMU guys from Indiana are probably going to get drafted on like the third day, which is awesome. Like, you can play the NFL for a long time.

But I would love it if Indiana won. I just have a hard time. If it's close, it's an incredible achievement. I do think, though, if he gets. his shit kicked in. Like if it's like 30 to nothing in half and going into the fourth quarter

it's like 45 to 7. I think people start answering asking the question and then you know who's going to get loud is the SEC guys. Like wait, they get to play nobody. Like I was thinking if

because for a minute when you're down 10 nothing you're like wait, George is going to lose. You can't, they're going to have three losses and they're not going to make the playoffs. We all acknowledge

they're one of the best 10 teams but because of their crazy schedule. Like, is Indiana better than them? I'll give Penn State a little more room, even though, like, their head coach loses all these games. They do have NFL guys everywhere. And they're a tough.

Like, I do think if Indiana played Penn State, I would take Penn State. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Kirk Signetti is like the next Nick Saban. I don't know. But I would be surprised. Now, if you like it, I think it's like a 10 point, like they're getting a lot of points for an undefeated team. 13 and a half.

Put it this way. If the same thing had happened and it was Penn State or Michigan who had been beating the shit out of these teams going into the Ohio State game, this game would be like a three-point line. And we'd be talking,

we wouldn't even question like this game would be irrelevant. They would be a lock to be in the playoffs. And you could argue there, maybe they are actually a lock in that committee room. But, yeah, I would not want to be Indie.

and get blown out and take my chances because like they will just lean with let's just load up on those two lost teams you know I think a lot of people football guys and like players would make the argument that like the two lost SEC teams are just better if you get destroyed in this game I don't know do you I mean do you think they got a shot oof I know at ohio state I wish it was a neutral cider at Indiana I think one thing to look in this game is if Curtis Rourke throws the interception early, he starts out slow, it's going to be a long day for him. But I think if they can keep it close, like you said, like if they lose by a touchdown, I think to the

committee's eyes, it's a better loss that Penn State at home. But I mean, it's a hell of a story though. I'd love to see, love to see them to make the playoff. But they're probably, I would say it would have to take a massacre for them to get left out. You could probably lose by 20 points. I think, I think they're minus 500 to make the playoff right now. Being in a end. You could lose like 40 to 20. And let's just say at half, it's, you know, 21 to 10 or something. Yeah, it'd be like at Ohio's, I think they'd be okay. The one thing they've done, and a couple times I watched them,

I mean, one time I had a pretty big bet on Nebraska. They boat race you early. Like, that's been an Indiana thing. And then they're kind of like the Detroit Lions of the NFL. Obviously the Lions, we know we're really good. We're about to find out. They like start kicking you when you're down. Like, they don't call off the.

dogs. I don't know. I mean, I like Ohio State, but don't get me wrong, I would love, it would make my Saturday to see Indiana win this game. If Indiana wins by seven or 14, do they jump Oregon as the number one team in the country? Or do they stay at two? That's a good question. I mean, I, well, they would basically be a lock then to play Oregon. It wouldn't really matter because Ohio State would essentially be done, right? Because I think is Indiana's last game Purdue. So it would be Indiana, Oregon. So even if you just, like they play each other, which whoever would win that game would

be a lock to be number one, that would be, if he were to beat Ohio State, sometimes, you know, upsets happen early in the season. You don't quite know when it happens and then they age either better or worse. This is one of those, like, we've had a long buildup to this. Ohio, he doesn't get to sneak up on Ohio State, right? That's the other thing. Sometimes upsets in like September, you kind of get to sleep on, like the team gets to sneak up on you. Even Vanderbilt when they beat Alabama,

I think it would be a lot different three weeks later. But you just play Georgia, you're playing Vanderbilt, I just don't take you seriously because you're Vanderbilt. If Ohio State had played Indiana like five weeks ago, even if they were 5-0, I wonder if they would just, they would not take them seriously, no chance. But there is no way, there's no avoiding, like, I think they're treating this game like they're playing Penn State or Oregon,

which sucks for Indiana. Because I think part of a good upset is like, when you're clearly unmanned, is you get to fly under the radar, like get to attack from the back. But like when they put their soldiers behind the house, it's harder to do a sneak attack. It's going to be a fun game. Speaking in the Big Ten, my fifth question for you,

Three weeks ago, you said on your show that you liked Oregon to win the national championship. We've seen this this season where some teams at the top have had some scare games. They had a narrow victory last weekend, 16 to 13 at Wisconsin. Has your view changed on the ducks after that narrow victory?

Well, I think you're... Like I said about the SEC, I would say Wisconsin is one of the places. And we don't see it as much because these big 10 teams play a lot of morning games. when you do play a night game in some of these places, Penn State, Wisconsin, they do have an SEC vibe. Like, that's a tough place to play.

And you're still dealing with 18, 19, 20-year-old guys. Like, you don't get to blow everyone out. I still like Oregon a lot. One, I guess, thing I would change my tune on, I do think it's going to be very, very difficult to bet on who's going to win the national championship. Because, one, you're not getting great odds. like Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia.

And to me, they're no lock to make it pass. Like, it's going to be hard for them to get to the final four, and there are no lock to be in the final game. So you might just be better off betting on an individual game basis. I think it's pretty wide open. I saw something on TV as like college football today. Or, you know, like, if Ole Miss gets in, could they win the Natty? Well, hell yeah.

And that's, I don't think we could say that, you know, in recent years. Now, granted, it was just a small pool. but it was pretty clear. Like looking back last year, you know, the national championship turns out it was Michigan, Alabama. Because Washington, while they match up really good against Texas, it would have been, those two defenses were too good. They just wouldn't have been able to, I mean, Alabama has like,

corners starting for the Detroit Alliance. I mean, their defense, the pass rusher who went in the first round to the Minnesota Vikings. Like that would have been, they would have lost those two games. So it turns out the national championship was at the Rose Bowl. I don't know if we're going to be able to say that

about like any of these games. Now, Oregon has as good of a chance as any, but like, do you think Notre Dame can win national championship? No, no. It's harder because you've got to play more games, right? I do think Notre Dame at home against Penn State would be a closer game than people expect. I think Notre Dame would be an underdog.

Like, I get it. Notre Dame hasn't played anybody. The NIA loss, I hear about it every day, you know, week two and stuff. But if you talk about most impressive team the last two months, that's been dominating teams like Indiana has, Notre Dame has. Riley Leonard's been more confident in the pocket. But I do worry about USC next week on the road

because those are one of those games that Notre Dame's, like you talk about Brian Kelly winning those games. Marcus Freeman usually loses that last week in a rivalry game when they need to win it most. The one thing you get going for, there will be no home field advantage for ESC. No one cares. It'll be pretty life. If anything, there'll be a lot of West Coast Notre Dame fans out there.

You could argue it would be a Notre Dame home game. True. You should go to that. It'd probably be cheap tickets. I'll use game time. Yeah. Code John game time. Yeah, I, I mean, there's going to be a lot of pressure on three or four.

coaches in that first round, the non-buy teams, and if those two teams play each other, there'll be, you could argue there'll be more pressure on James Franklin than any coach, you know, five through 12 those original games. Because if he can't, especially if he's favored against Notre Dame, technically, he probably won't get a home game, huh? Probably won't happen. Probably not, no. I don't, I don't think of- Notre Dame is either going to be like the fifth or the six or they're out. Like, they either beat USC and they're like one of the top teams or they're just out. If they lose that game, they're at.

There's no margin for victory, which the SEC would love for Notre Dame to lose because that would basically get them five teams. I was going to ask you, too, my last question, bonus question six, do you value, because now with the transfer portal in NIL, like the landscape of college football is just evened out? And you always hear, well, they haven't played anybody, but I test, strike the schedule. Do you value strength the schedule now because of the new landscape of college football, or is it more I test, in your opinion? Well, the thing, to me, the thing with strength of schedule is like a schedule could look good at the beginning of the season and then by the end look shittier. And I think sometimes you know in the SEC like, this is going to be a hard schedule, this is not going to be hard. But like when a team runs the table that no one thought like Indiana, like people pick them to win like three or four games. And then they win and you try to discount it.

I think one thing that hurts the Big Ten is it's just down because Michigan sucks. so like part of the SEC argument's always been like you know the bottom sucks well yeah the middle tier has always been loaded with NFL players so you had these teams winning six or seven games but they were full of like five or six guys from those teams would be drafted and then the top teams were elite and the Big Ten always had that too

but now their top they got very lucky that Oregon got involved because like Ohio State Oregon Penn State's kind of established what they are an NFL factory that you don't trust to win any big game. I do think the eye test has to matter because like Penn State has not beat anybody and they haven't in a long time. But it's clear they're pretty damn good because of the NFL players they have like on their front seven and they're beating 95% of the country.

It just happens like yeah, the last three years, Jim Harbaugh owned him. Well yeah, Jim Harbaugh had an NFL team. Ohio State kicks their ass. Well, yeah, Ohio State kicks everyone's ass except like two or three teams in the country. So, you know, I think it's a tough argument. There's no right or wrong answer. But the eye test, watching a team play over the course of a season has to matter. Right?

It just does. Like clearly, you know, A&M loses Notre Dame. And then as you've seen them play, like, they clearly have a good coach and they're loaded with NFL players. Now, just because you have an eye test, that would have been the thing for Georgia. Like if they were to lost that game to Tennessee and they had three losses, your argument to get them into the playoff would have been the eye test. It's like, guys, they got every single position on defense. They got an NFL draft pick.

They got NFL players on offense. Their quarterback coming into the season was viewed as a first rounder. He had a bad season, but they still have the best coach. It's harder to make that. So you have to have, like at the end of the day, it does come down to winning and losing the games, right? And that's, like, Clemson's a good example. Like, I'm glad they lost that second game.

not as good as a lot of these teams. If you put Clemson in the SEC, they're not six and six, but they're probably like eight and four, right? And they're going to be what, 10 and two? Like I watched a lot of that game against Pitt the other day. I mean, they should have lost that game, right? Yeah. I was going to ask you too, because on that topic, like Texas right now, so people are kind of speculating that if Texas loses the Texas A&M next week, their best wins Vanderbilt. But to your point about ITES, they've got NFL guys everywhere. Would that be their second loss? That'd be their second loss. Yeah. So they'd be in the six-way tie.

Like it would be A&M beat Texas, but Texas beat Vanderbilt, who's not even in the mix. They wouldn't even have a win with the top six teams in the SEC. So do they get knocked out? They would be tough because it's clear they are loaded with talent.

Like no one argues that. Like they are a top five roster in college football. They got curb stomp by Georgia, which was pretty embarrassing. I think the A&M, where's that game in A&M? At A&M. That's a tough place to play.

So I think one thing they'd have going for them is they were a playoff team last year. They rolled back a lot of the dudes. I'd have no problem if they got in, but I would understand the argument. Because part of it, like, you know, last year, for example, once it came down to the end, and remember the argument was like once Bama beat Georgia, it's like, well, Texas beat Alabama. So I'm a big believer in the head-to-head, even if you play 12 or 13, you know, if you end up going to the competition,

you play 13 games. What's the whole point of the sport if I beat you straight up? Like, let's just say, the final spot came down to Notre Dame and A&M. Like, even if A&M has incredible wins, I played you and I beat you. Like, well, it's the beginning.

No, that's the whole point of this whole fucking sport is you play a game. Who wins and who loses. Now, that's, it's not going to come down to that, right? Because Notre Dame is going to have a less loss. but let's just say in that scenario, like whenever it comes in that scenario,

in football, I get in college basketball where you play all these games. In football, you only play 12. So like everyone really, really matters. And I don't really know how, like what if there are no upsets in the SEC? Like right now, who's, I guess,

if Texas wins out, they were in the SEC championship game, right? Yeah, it would be Texas and then Georgia would get in because A&M's second right now, but if they lose to Texas, they'd get knocked out, Georgia would get in. So if you're at the SEC... Because Georgia beat Alabama. Yeah, yeah, correct.

And they also beat Tennessee. And then Ole Miss is all the way down there because of common opponents and tiebreakers and all that stuff. Here's what's going to be interesting, though. So Georgia plays Texas, right? And they got two losses. What if they lose that game? So Texas beats them.

So obviously Texas is probably the two seed behind Oregon, Ohio State. potentially the one, I guess, if Ohio State were to win that game. Georgia then has three losses, but they'd go, well, Ole Miss and Alabama are 10 and 2. They didn't even play. That is kind of worst case scenario where things get weird. I would guess Georgia would just be in. Would they get in?

Do you think they'd get in over one of those two lost teams with a third loss, especially the game's close? I think they'd have to. That's what I was going to ask you is like, you can't punish a team that makes it to the SEC championship. And if you're, if you're the SEC right now, you almost hope that Texas beats Texas A&M because then you've got all two lost teams. And then it's like you get one three loss either Texas or Georgia to your point.

How do they not get in if they have that extra game? But you saw last year in the 14 playoff that Georgia made it to the SEC championship and lost to Bama. But I guess Bama had a good performance there. And they got knocked down, I think from like one to four or one to five, I should say, being Georgia. So I think it's a lot of debate, a lot of discussion. It's just going to be weird how the committee decided. and the SEC bias there too. Indiana is throwing the curveball in this

because if they didn't exist, if they were just like an 8 and 4 team, having a great year, but not a playoff team, the Big 10 would just get their three teams. It'd be Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, and the SEC would get their five. And you kind of hope that Notre Dame loses

if you're the SEC. Because then that takes a spot out of there too. 100%. So, but I would say if you just did the math looking forward the next five years, you know Notre Dame's upcoming schedule better than mine. But as long as they're going to stay independent, they're probably going to be there more often than not, right, in the mix.

So, and especially if, like, whoever their ranked teams are, if they take care of business. And this year, they went to, does Texas A&M go to Notre Dame next year? They do. So it's like you win that game. I mean, what's A&M going to be ranked coming into the season next year, top 15 team, I'm sure. So if you win that game again. So I just think that, I think there's going to be a lot less. though for whoever quote unquote gets left out because we used to be a big deal like you could argue

Florida state last year even though I think they made the right decision because their quarterbacks were all injured I do get if you were like a Florida state fan or in the program you're like what are you kidding me right that's but there was four spots this year it's like they're 12 guys they're 12 so it's like let's say old miss gets left out it's like well didn't you lose a kentucky Oh my God. That's your own fault. Yeah. And LSU, which doesn't look as impressive right now. So. That was an awful loss. Especially they were up in that game.

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