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Episode Date: September 25, 2025

On the latest episode of 3 & Out with John Middlekauff, John is joined by Jackson Groff for the latest edition of Kauff on Campus. John and Jackson recap the first few weeks from the college football season before diving into five burning questions. They talk about the huge weekend in CFB and what we can expect to see from some of the top teams in the nation. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:27 - Jackson joins the podcast 10:06 - Five burning questions 29:33 - Biggest games of the weekend 1:15:38 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by hardrock.bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's your boy, John Middlecalf, a little three-and-out podcasting today. We're actually going to talk some college football. My guy Jackson, who you heard last year, Kopp on campus, who now started his intern Jackson, and now is producer Jackson behind the scenes with the crew of guys we have. He will join me today. I told him to put together some questions, some thoughts as we head in to so far the biggest weekend yet in college football. We got some massive games.

We had a firing in Mike Gundy, Dabo Sweeney, John Mateer is injured. We just got a lot going on in college. Obviously some big, some just massive, massive matchups in conference. You know, you got Bamba, Georgia, LSU O'LMIS, you got Penn State, you got TCUASU, you got Washington, Ohio State. So we got some really, really good games. We're going to do a lot of college football for about 45 minutes, hour. Maybe it's closer to an hour than 45 minutes.

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Touchdown Jesus came through for them, not for you guys. But how you doing, bro? Good, man. No, that game was tough. I knew right when that botched hold happened that that was going to be a Notre Dame thing and that Marcel Reed and A&M we're going to drive down and win that football game, a one point game. Obviously, you know, you go into those games.

And we saw some last week, a bunch of defensive performances in college football and you want to see a bunch of points go back and forth. But I don't know, man. One of those games for Notre Dame, obviously I'm a Notre Dame fan that you don't want to be in the situation they are right now where you've got to win out and you got to hope that the Big Ten gets weird, the SEC gets weird, and you kind of sneak your way in. And look, I mean, Miami's a really good team. We'll obviously get into who we think is the best team in the country right now. And A&M looks like a top 10 team in the country.

But I don't know. It was an unpuzzling feeling that have Notre Dame lose that game in that way. I want to do something, you know, I told you let's do like five burning questions, five main topics, five, you know, big things. I do want to touch on. I touched on this on the podcast yesterday. What year were you born? 1999, December 9th. So I was thinking about.

this. Mike Gundy was fired yesterday. He's 58. And his famous rant, I would say, was a viral moment pre-social media. Twitter didn't exist. Instagram didn't exist. If I'm 40, I'm a man. Well, he's 58. That was 18 years ago.

That was, I would say, a massive moment. It's one of the more viral moments for a coach, I would say, of my lifetime. Any sport. And it used to happen more, like when I was a kid with like baseball managers, had some legendary ones, Ditka, Jim Mora

playoffs, but the Gundy thing was pretty legendary and then he went on to just have, I mean, an incredible career. I just wanted to start by, I was thinking about this last night because I saw some stats. One, I don't think my Gundy's ever going to exist again. You know, we saw Bobby Bowden, Sabin, these guys that got to coach for a long time.

Those are all-time outliers. But Gundy was the rare I played there. I was an assistant coach there. He spent basically 10 years as an assistant, four years as a player. And then 20, I mean, you're talking well over 30 years. He's 58. It's over half his life in one spot.

Which some of this stuff, like I'm all for living in the future and progress, it is kind of sad that the day and age of like the guy that's just interwoven with that franchise. We're never going to see that again. You know, the player, the assistant coach, then the guy the coach is for that many years. It's over. And the other thing that's kind of sad is, you know, Oklahoma State. I didn't realize how much he won. I mean, 12 and 6 in bowl games.

He was, I think his record was like 170 and 90. He had all these like 10 and 11 and 12 win seasons. Even his bad seasons, like winning eight, nine games. He was just winning a lot. Was, they had T. Boone Pickens, who was kind of Phil Knight. But the rules, you couldn't just give guys hundreds of thousands of dollars. They probably, you know, gave some guys brownbacks. But he died in 2019.

And he gave those comments a couple weeks ago, Dillingham. And you know, everyone, you know, as the kids would say, dragged him. Right. Like, oh, looking back, I think he was being like, we don't have, we cannot, like, Tee Boone doesn't exist anymore. I don't know what his family's doing with the fortune, but they're clearly not giving him money to buy the players like Texas Tech. And his comments were like, kind of represented, like, I think OSU is an awful job. And I do think Big 12, and we saw Dillingham, remember a couple years ago, was like begging people for money. Now, they're doing a little bit better now, but still, like, I do think Big 12 in the conference relative to the Big Ten,

who I think has benefited the most from NIL and the SEC that just has, you know, would be the next in line. I think it's going to be very difficult for some of their programs. You know, SMU would be fine. TCU would be fine. Obviously, Texas Tech. But OSU now, I see some of these people getting, like, this guy take the job. Like, I think it's going to be difficult for them because a guy goes there. It's like, is my career. Am I going to be able to win there? So I just wanted a hat tip Mike Gundy. A little before your time. That rant, you were pretty young, but obviously as you get into college football,

he's a pretty legendary figure. And I saw his brother, Kale, who used to be at Oklahoma, said he's going to coach again. And I don't know, I mean, it ended pretty bad. But his resume, I mean, if you see some of these guys that can re-get jobs, you would think that a big 12th team or maybe an ACC team. And I think his big regret has to be, you know, Tennessee several years go offered him the job. And I knew a buddy that was going to go with him on the personnel side. And obviously, Mike had slept on it and was just very, very loyal to a school that, he was like

Pat Fitzgerald. The school meant everything to him. I thought about this yesterday, the day he was fired, even though, I mean, they were like four and 11 over the last 15 games. They didn't win a conference game last year. So it had gotten pretty ugly around there. Had to be pretty emotional for him in that school. It'd be like a, you know, a wife or a family member, like just, you know, just getting a divorce like 40 plus years in, even if it's going bad. So, um, sad day, Mike Gundy, who's just one of the integral characters in the sport of college football. Yeah, you were talking about how we'll probably never see a guy that was a player or assistant that loved the school and wanted to stay there forever. Just a couple of names that came to mind that are today's, I guess that could be

that version of Gundy is Brent Key of Georgia Tech. Clark Lee of Vanderbilt, Kenny Dealingham of ASU, but it's like what you're talking about with all this money in the SEC, it's like, yeah, Kenny Dillingham, you could say you want to be on Arizona State, and the more he talks about how he loves Arizona State and he's growing up, he's a Sun Devil, but what if Florida offers you so-and-so money, and you have the amount of resources that Florida has or Florida State has or all these other big schools? Like, do you think that those type of guys will be loyal forever?

You think money talks, and it's like, okay, well, I can't turn down this offer from Kenny Dillingham, but you've loved and wanted to, I built something. I respect that. Kenny Dillingham wanting to stay at ASU, but long term, like, we got to be real. If Florida comes knocking, you're going to go over there eventually. I think both the other guys that you listed Georgia Tech and Vanderbilt, like, how do they turn down if, you know, if Kirby Smart would ever leave or whatever, you know, go to the NFL, Georgia called, if Florida calls, if, if Sark, you know, a couple years ago's a coach Cowboys and Texas calls, it's just, it never works out that way.

Now, you can stay. You know, Gundy, he was making elite money, even though their program. But once Oklahoma left and Texas left, the writing was kind of on the wall. But who knows if Tennessee obviously Hype was done a really good job there. They were just in the playoffs. They were good again this year. I mean, he's running a high-level program. I like to give Gundy the benefit of doubt that it would be the same thing if he was there.

And if he was there, he would be in a place with more resources that football is just more of a priority. And he's got to be thinking, God, I was loyal and it ended up biting me in the ass. And who knows? I was listening to Josh Pate say that he had heard that it's, you know, Gundy mailed it in a little bit. You know, you get to a point where it's like,

it's like an inevitable divorce, but you're still living together and you barely talk. Clearly it's not going well there. But, yeah, I mean, I just, Clark Lee, Branky, no chance. If you tell me in 20 years, I would bet every penny I have. I bet my home. I'd bet everything I have that if it goes well for the one, if it goes bad, they'll get fired. If it goes well, they just kept too many opportunities.

I would say both those guys, a couple more years of winning, they're just like the number one candidate on the board. Like Matt Campbell would be a guy that he stayed pretty loyal, right? Yeah, he's been there forever. And it feels like every single name, like his name was, was tied to the Alabama job when Sabin retired. He was tied to Florida when Napier got hired. He's always been tied to certain jobs.

And, you know, as we get into the five burning questions heading in this weekend on the topic of Gundy, let's talk about Davo. You know, Gundy gets fired midseason. All this talk around Davo Sweeney, and he's kind of frustrated with the fans. And I don't know what the word is in terms of the athletic department and the school itself. I think they want to keep Sweeney just because of the contract they're tied to. They can't really do anything. besides if he wants to go.

We kind of pull like a Calipari and goes to Arkansas because I'm tired of all this fan bases on my neck. I want to go somewhere that appreciates me and maybe he goes to the SEC. But what are your thoughts on Davo? Could he be the next coach? Because it's a disaster right now. This Clemson team, I picked it with the national championship

and I kind of sit back and I'm like, wait, how does this happen? How does a team with so much talent go one in three and get blown out by Syracuse at home? Yeah, you know, he gave that impassion rant like a week ago. Yeah, like the week of Syracuse. But all we've done is won like eight of 10 years. We've won whatever many games. We win this conference. And then after he lost to Syracuse, he was basically went the other way of like, I'm a human, this really sucks. He almost

was in tears. He almost felt bad for him. But Gottlieb is just great. Gottlie's an Oklahoma state guy. He's like, you know, Gundy's probably a more abrasive personality behind the scenes than Davo. He just said over the years, you know, Gundy had made some enemies, which happened. happens with college football coaches because of the power. Well, when you're winning, your enemies in the university have no juice, right? You're winning 12 games, winning bowl games. They can't say shit. You start losing.

Those enemies gravitate toward each other and have a coalition coming for you. And that's what happened to Gundy, right? The dabble thing, Clemson's always had unrealistic expectations before he even, I remember they thinking like national championships back with Terry Bowden when they weren't even, it was like, you have a bunch of NFL guys and you're winning eight games. Like, who do you guys think you are? Davo did change it. But, like, things change.

And listen, he didn't necessarily change. My advice would be, and who knows, like, if you told Florida fans right now, you hire Dabo Sweeney, they probably wouldn't be that happy, right? They'd rather have John Gruden, which to me is kind of crazy. Never coached in college, too. He wasn't even that good the last time he coached for the Raiders. But like, okay, would you take Lane over Dabba 100%? But what if Lane is, like, actually being real, like, I don't want to leave Oxford, right?

We have the resources. If I was Dabba, I'd be working behind the scenes to, try to give myself a landing spot because we see the way this works. Once the snowball kind of comes, you know, this isn't like a Norvelle, like Davos been there forever. What, 23 years as an assistant, as a head coach, the pelts on the wall. So he's emotionally like fighting back. You know, like Norvel kind of had to take it on the chin last year, right, give money back. Davos still gets very defensive over this stuff. If I was him, I pivot. You know, and I think there's something in coaching where you've been there long enough and it starts going the wrong.

way maybe your message you just need a fresh start he's lost he those two coordinators that he won the naties with obviously got head coaching jobs and venables and the tony uh what's the virginia coach's yeah so i mean that was a trio that was a power right and once those guys left it kind of doesn't feel the same uh but yeah man it's it's it was we obviously on a big text thread and uh our main man shane syracuse alum and they were dancing on that grave because they were i i i i I was at the golf course, and I kind of watched the beginning of it. And then as the game went, it got delayed forever, right? So I thought when it got delayed, it was like, oh, this is going to be a classic Clemson, delayed.

Syracuse goes, oh, we come out of the delay, we lay an egg. But they didn't. And I would say right now they look like turnaround. Like, no, I mean, I would say six and six. Like, who knows, they could lose to anybody. The only thing I would say for Dabo, obviously the whole notion on him and them starting bad is everyone's like, well, he doesn't use the portal. That's the reason why they're losing.

Well, yes, I mean, they had three transfers, but they're ranked like 45th in terms of like the transfer portal rankings. The only hesitancy I would have if I did grab Dabo, if I was Florida or another school would be, hey, you're going to have to open up to what's going on in college football. You're going to have to open up to the new style of adapting and going into the portal. Not saying you've got to be like a Bill Belichick and grab 45 guys or Dion Sanders or grabbed 15.

But if you're Florida and your Davos Sweeney, you're telling me you can't grab eight of the top 50 transfer portal guys you know what I mean like I feel like that's something that well he runs like a company that he views it if I don't get to vet the guy when they're like 16 17 18 I don't touch them their big thing is like the type guys they bring into the family right it's like bro you have to learn all these other programs are quote unquote vetting these guys in the transfer portal you know you're probably not landing someone in the transfer portal too that doesn't at a school like that like Ohio State think who they got in the transfer portal, guys from like Alabama, right?

Or guys within their conference that they know. You don't have to just get like random dude. Like you should have some, that's part of your personnel department. So I'm with you. But if he won't do some self-revaluation, then yeah, then maybe it's just going to end really badly and no one will touch him. But it's, I think it's going to get uglier as the year goes. Because all it would take, like Syracuse obviously a, you know, solid program.

But you lose to one of the. these like not very good teams. They play North Carolina this week. Yeah, they have a buy week and they play North Carolina next week. Something like that happens, like UNC beats them, then it'll feel like dab I just jump ship. And it'd be one of those where it's just like a clean break. You know, the buyout stuff, it's like, hey, you can go Calipari style.

And I think he'd have to entertain that. And it's not because like, and he can get so defensive. I have won championship. Yeah, that's the past, Sean Watson, you know, whose NFL career is over. What are we talking about? Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has been in the league for how many years. And he won the championship when he was a true freshman when he beat Alabama. Now, he'd be like, well, we were in the playoffs last year.

Kind of lucky. I mean, he started the season. He lost by 100. Kirby's probably seventh best Georgia team. Doesn't help that his quarterback stinks too. I mean, Cade Clubnick's been horrible. If he does go to Florida, it's like, I don't know. He's missed on quarterbacks now.

Yeah. Back to back. Since Trevor Lawrence, yeah, DJU, I think they had Hunter Johnson, who was a bad, bad player. So yeah, you're right. Speaking of quarterbacks, a guy that Oklahoma didn't miss, but a tragic injury, Oklahoma quarterback John McTeer out for three plus weeks, broken bone on the right throwing hand.

I'm not much of a doctor. But that type of injury with the team with so much momentum. And I guess the hindsight positive about this is it's now when they have a bye week. They play Ken State next week. It's a bummer about Red River, but who knows if he grinds it out and maybe he plays that football game. They're going to need him to throw the football against that Texas defense. I mean, he's going to be out three weeks before that grueling started their schedule

where they got South Carolina, Missouri, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee. What was your take in response to this? Because, I mean, this guy was the face of college football. Now it seems like Oklahoma's in a little bit of a panic after this injury kind of came to be. I'm always hesitant with the weeks. It's like, are we sure? Three weeks? That seems pretty optimistic.

Seems fast. Yeah. Yeah, especially throwing hand. I do wonder, I'm sure Venables, and they'll talk about it this week, I guess because they have the buy week, maybe their press conference schedule is a little off. That's why they were able to hide it. You know, the adrenaline coming out of that game. Maybe he got hit in the hand, didn't even realize, played through it.

And the next day, it's swollen, he can't move it. And a little lucky they have a buy this week in Kent State, but it really sucks for that Red River game. That all of a sudden was looking like, because if you're Oklahoma, you've got to be thinking, we're a playoff team. We got one of the best defenses. We got this quarterback who can run and throw. We just got a lot of good vibes. And now all of a sudden, we could just lose to Texas in this shitty version of Arch.

And all of a sudden, then our backs against the wall and do we rush the guy back? It sucks. I mean, that was, I don't know what else to say besides that I guess could be worse. It's not like a devastating end of the year injury, but broken bone on your hand. I'm sure he's going to have to wear a splint or a cast for a minute. You just, you never know how it recovers. What if you can't grit the ball? three weeks.

Really sucks for him. I mean, because they, I don't want to say like national championship, but if you're an Oklahoma fan, you know, well, we got a high level defense that translates. And if our offense is just solid with this quarterback, why couldn't we be in like the final four? Yeah. And you just lose, all of a sudden you lose to Texas and he's not ready to next week. You can just lose a couple games in the SEC and it's just too much to overcome when he does

come back because they could, they could easily lose a game with him. I mean, hell, they had 10 sacks in the game was close last week. Now, Auburn, it turns out, I think it's pretty solid this year, which was a really good win. They've had a couple really good wins at home, but they got some tough road games. And obviously the Texas game is just the neutral site game. So who is our backup quarterback, the little guy from last year? Yeah, so it's the sophomore Michael Hawkins Jr., which I kind of, I mean, we talk about Arch playing that and how dominant Oklahoma's defense is.

This situation versus last year, Michael Hawkins Jr., who's a sophomore, and he's kind of that same athletic dual threat quarterback. He's in a better situation this year because, one, you got Ben Arbuckle, who's a better play caller than what they had last year. Two, when he was playing Texas, their top five wide receivers were hurt. So now you've got more wide receiver health back this year. Your offensive lines improved. Now, the one thing would be he played in Red River last year against that Texas defense

and he looked like he was seeing ghost. So how was that going to be? It was atrocious. Yeah, it was very bad last year. So look, you hope that he improves this year on that front. But my biggest concern with them is they can't run the football at all. I mean, Jaden Ott, the Cal transfer, we talked in the preseason, how excited. You know, Nagy talking about this Cal transfer guy coming in and what he did with Jaden Ott at Cal last year.

And this year, he's only had like nine carries for 17 yards, hasn't really played. So it's like you don't have a running game to compliment with Hawkins Jr. Like, yeah, you want to be able to run the football with him, what Meteer was usage with Hawkins. But you can't run the football with him and you want to have a quarterback that couldn't throw the ball at all against Texas, had a couple throws maybe against Auburn. It's just kind of a skeptical situation for Oklahoma where Hawkins is getting into a better situation, but you're not helping him in terms of the running game

that you've had before. So it's just kind of an all, a puzzling situation for Hawkins Jr. You just kind of hope and pray that, that, I don't know, Mathieu gets back, but do you want to rush him with the schedule you have moving forward? It just kind of all becomes a puzzling situation to a team that basically won September. Yeah, a tough spot. Super tough spot. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's move on to the biggest games of the weekend. Six Oregon at three Penn State. The question is, will James Franklin finally win the best? big one. He's one in 17

against top 10 big 10 opponents or will Oregon prove they're the new national power? You know what's funny? I was just thinking about this is that like some coaches that are really polarizing like after he lost to Florida State, everyone's like fire Kalin DeBoer. He beat Georgia last year.

So like the moment you win one of those games, it's like that's just a huge win on your resume. Remember Brian Kelly, I think his first year beat Sabin in a walkoff touchdown. And it's It was pretty sweet, like the corner of the end zone, like a quick little out, and it was awesome. So it's like sometimes when you're, you know, you just get a big win early. It just takes, we can bitch and moan, like, oh, he doesn't win enough games, but you,

no one can argue, like, can you win the big game? And both those guys are bad examples because Kaelan won a bunch of big games at Washington beating, beating, you know, Dan Lanning and Kyle Whittingham and Steve Sarkozy and, obviously, Kelly has won big games over the years with Notre Dame. But this guy has been in a program that has just pumped out in the game. NFL guys. I think we all think is really good, which is crazy because they feel as good, if not better than last year. And they're missing two guys. Abdul Carter and Tyler Warren are like Locke first team all rookie players, right? They're elite, both those two guys, elite players.

So, you know, it's not very often since Lannning has been there. And honestly, since Mario, like Oregon has been like a legit, we don't think you're going to win this game. So it's like kind of an easy spot for him to kind of rally the troops. If James can't eventually, you're either going to win a game like this, or maybe he's never going to. It's going to be one of those years. He just can never beat anyone good. So I got burned by them against you guys last year when Alar threw that thing across his body. That's the thing.

He plays in these games like Ohio State last year. It's like he's right there, Notre Dame. He's either winning or like he's down a touchdown, but he's on the goal line. and then you look back, you're like, how did he lose that game? Or how did he not, how did they end up just running out the clock? And they didn't even score. Last year, remember, they got stuffed at the goal line against Ohio State. And then Ohio State ran the ball out against Oregon in the championship game.

I remember they kind of, you can tell Oregon was better, which that's why it was kind of ironic that then Oregon got curb stomped against Ohio State. They didn't even look like a different team. I mean, I want to pick Penn State here. but I've been burned by him a couple times. It would be just a nice win everyone could exhale a little bit because then I think they win this game, especially if they won it by a touchdown or more.

And look, you know, the better team, I think a lot of people would start being like, okay, them, Miami, whoever the cream of the crop is in the SEC, like this is the top three or four teams that can win the national championship. And I think people are still hesitant on Penn State. This is a huge game for them. This is big.

And that place is awesome, right? Night game, whiteout. I just think Oregon. it just doesn't feel like very often they get to just kind of like let it fly. Yeah, I agree. And I think if it's not now, then when is it going to be for James Franklin? I mean, this is a quarterback coming in that hasn't had a road environment, road game like this in his career.

So that's like the biggest question mark with Dante Moore. But you've seen him the last couple games, even though they haven't played anybody, like some of the placements on these balls, the accuracy from him, he doesn't look like Will Stein in his ability to develop quarterbacks. It's pretty insane. Like he's one of the more underrated coach. which is in college football.

And they got a freshman at wide receiver, so you wonder how he's going to adapt against Penn State's defense. And like you said, like a whiteout game, they're coming off of a by week. Oregon's not. But I don't know, man.

This Oregon team and how talented they are in the trenches on both sides and Dan Leading's ability to recruit. Like, you're right. The pressure is all on James Franklin. You'd rather win this game versus having to win a must win at Ohio State. Something they haven't done since 2011,

something that even James Franklin hasn't even done, even when they had Sequin and, you know, all those studs on offense, they still are not able to, you talk about that game too. When J.T. Barrett, the last second through that pass, I forget to who, maybe Garrett Wilson or Terry McLaren, but this, this to me, you're right. It's the biggest, biggest game for Penn State. I kind of would love to see Oregon win this game just to see the panic of James Franklin and see how much sleep you can't get for the rest of the season if they do lose this football game. But watch out for Oregon's got some studs that Kenyon Sadiq, the tied in out of Oregon.

He'll be a guy that's playing on Sundays. He could be a guy that. that explodes and opens up the running game for Oregon. I think the problem whoever loses this game is throughout a season, it's inevitable that good teams will just be like, hey, tie game against Rutgers fourth quarter. And every once in a while, remember, I think Iowa beat one of the Urban Meyer teams. There are big upsets in these big conferences because it's hard to play your best football 12 weeks. But even if you get upset, if you're Penn State and you win this game, it's like, okay, you'll lose let's say you lose a random game to one of these teams on the road that you probably are a big favorite.

We don't, we, oh, you just didn't take them seriously, but we take you serious. We know what your ceiling is. This is a really important game for Penn State from a ceiling standpoint. I want to like them, but I'm with you. I think, you know, Lanning got something pretty special there. And the thing with Moore is athletically, arm strength, like he's an elite blue chipper. Everyone's, you know, loves Bryce Underwood. Like, that's kind of what Morris, you know,

in terms of like the total package of what he can bring to the table. No one remembers watching him a couple years ago with Chip Kelly's offense and he was atrocious, but he was thrown in on a bad team in a year when the Pack 12 was good, you know, and he got, it went bad. And then he kind of got, it's pretty rare, to go to Oregon, reset. He was supposed to go to Oregon out of high school. He was a huge recruit. And then Chip somehow flipped him because I think he really,

realize I could start there. And he got to kind of sit behind Dylan Gabriel last year. And by all accounts, I mean, it's crazy how positive. Obviously, he's playing well, but the way they've been talking about him really since the spring. It feels like, too, a lot of top quarterbacks, you know, Nussmeyer, Arch, all this preseason hype on a bunch of quarterbacks haven't been playing to the expectations. And a guy that's kind of been under the radar that hasn't played as well versus bad competition is Drew Aller. Like that's another name for him. It's like, okay, this is a big game for you. to kind of get that national spotlight.

What will this offense look like? You mentioned Tyler Warren. They're going to be able to run the football with Allen and Singleton. They ran for over 300 yards against Oregon in the Big Ten championship game still lost that game. So I'm wondering from Penn State's offensive standpoint, are they going to be able to throw against Oregon? Like are these transfer wide receivers?

Are they going to mesh well? Because it's easy to mesh well against FIU, Villanova, and all these teams. But we're third and eight. How are you, what are you going to do, you know, against this Oregon defense in Drew Aller? like this is like a showtime type of game for him in terms of an NFL draft standpoint. I don't know where you stand on him, but this is like a prove-a-game for him.

When all the other quarterbacks are kind of down, this is like a Heisman type of moment for both quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, to me, he's got three or four games this year. They're going to define his draft status because no one cares what he did against FIU or Nevada. What he does against Oregon, what he does against Ohio State, if they make the conference championship game and then the playoff games. He plays well. I mean, he's going to be a top 10, 15 pick.

right because the measurables, the arm strength, the improvement that he's made over a three-year period. So I think there's a lot of, now he shits the bed, all of a sudden he could disappear and he could disappear fast. You know, so it's, I don't know, he makes me nervous. Speaking of shit the bed and possibly disappear in a guy that not too hot in Alabama right now is Kalin DeBoer. They go into Georgia, 17 Alabama at 5 Georgia.

The question is, can Kalin DeBore finally win a big road game? He's 1-0 against Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart is 1-6 against Alabama all time. Or will Georgia's longest home streak, 33-game win streak continue to hold against Alabama? I will say this. The stench and the stink of the Florida State loss, I think is worse because people expected Florida State to really suck,

and I think Florida State is going to be pretty good. So I think that game could age pretty well. And listen, they got their butt kicked. The eye test was bad. That was part of it. The eye test was like kind of like the Ravens against the lines. Like you kind of got worked. You know, it wasn't like 100 to nothing, but it was whatever.

They lost by a couple touchdowns. But it looked worse in the final score. I'll say this about Kaelin. He beats good coaches. When he's gone head to head, we said this with Lannning, with Kyle Whittingham. He's just last year with Kirby Smart. Like he's done really well in these type moments. now I don't really

the young quarterback has looked better like Alabama's clearly looked a lot better since they played Florida State now they haven't played anybody Georgia really got tested like Georgia showed something like they got like that win against Tennessee was impressive like that they easily could have lost

not only you know the way it ended but they were down what 217 on the road you probably couldn't hear yourself think that thing could have got away from them so you know the medal the champion kind of mindset that Kirby brings, it's Sabin-like. So I think there's probably more mentally tough in Georgia.

Like you said, you know, they're one in six. You'd be like, well, Kirby's been there like a decade. They don't play each other that often. Like for a long time, they were just playing each other in the conference championship game. It's not like on a yearly rotation like LSU. So it's hard like, you know, I'm so used to Bama, LSU or LSU, Florida, or Georgia, Tennessee. This game, when we do get it in the regular season, we've got a back-to-back year. now. I think it was pretty stunning last year

the way it transpired. Now, I know they came storming back and Carson Beck just started throwing bombs. I mean, it's kind of like Russell Wilson. You just throw go-routes and post-rout. You're going to hit some. Or when you hit them, you can score touchdowns, and then you could be down 28 points, and all of a sudden it's, you know, a one-score game. But, like, you're up 28-0 on an opponent. Like, they came out the gates. That's the Kailen-Dobor thing. I remember when they beat

when he was at Washington, he beat Oregon in the Pac-12 championship. They start so fast. If Bama starts fast, they're winning this game. I don't see Bama, like, down 17-7 and coming back. But if you tell me this is one of your Kailen Du Boers, great game plans, and it's like 13 to 3 at the end of the first quarter,

obviously you have to hold on. That's the way usually these games play out. But I like, Bama wins if they start fast. If they don't and they're trailing, I'm out. You could argue live bet this game, if that's the way you want to take it. but you know with DeBoer, like they start fast. They did against in the final four against Sark.

Like he jumps out to leads because game plans, him and Grub historically have been elite. Yeah, and it feels like when they don't start fast, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Tennessee last year, that's when they tend to the effort defensively gets weak, the self-inflicted penalties. DeBore kind of is a little quiet pacing up down the sideline. Well, that's why he's not a rah-rah. Like Kirby's a rally the troops guy, right? Sabin Ermin. These guys are crazy SOBs.

The Harbaugh brothers, Dan Campbell, like Andy Reid bumping into Travis Kelsey, which isn't even Andy style, but he's got it in his back pocket. That is, Kaelin Dubour is not a yeller and a screamer. It's clear, right? So to me, he's more of a slow, steady, offensive cerebral mind, which he gets ahead of you, then he starts working his magic. He's behind. Kirby, fine, right?

Dabo historically, when his teams were good, he has a lot of juice. It's not really, Brian Kelly, I don't know if his screams are heard, but he'll start screaming at you. Yeah, he'll be screaming a ton. That's one thing, too, about this game. You know, we talk preseason about Alabama and Georgia. The one thing that you can't really harsh on, the biggest question mark for both teams was the quarterbacks. Ty Simpson looked impressive. It wasn't his fault against Florida State.

His offensive line basically got bullied, and then Gutter stocked. that fourth and eighth throw he had in a London Humphreys in that Tennessee game. Game on the line, absolute dime over the shoulder throw. I think it's going to be interesting to see which quarterback, but more importantly, it seems like this year for Georgia, Alabama, there's not a lot of buzz on both sides of the offensive defensive line. And maybe it was like last year around this time when Georgia Alabama played is when we found out of the names of Mikel Williams and Jalen Walker,

and they kind of soared throughout the rest of the season. But it feels like in this game, obviously, you know, the trenches battle. Whoever wins the trenches is going to win. but both offensive lines and defensive lines are shaky. So you wonder, I guess, which quarterback's going to perform and who's going to kind of be dominant on both sides. You know, you're probably deeper on the college Reddit boards and the rumors. I see the Landry Kiffin thing. But one thing I've heard people say is Carson Beck wasn't that well liked toward the end.

Like the players didn't like them. And Gunner Stockton's like one of the dudes. And that was a big like selling point this offseason. And it's like, well, I'm watching Carson back in Miami. He actually looks fine. Like, yeah, it might be a weird guy. I might not have all the friends on the team. But, like, if you're better at football than this guy, it does give you the better

chance to win. And that's where it was huge for Gunnar Stockton in that Tennessee moment to go on the road and win that game. Because one thing to be liked, you know, inevitably, it's like, can this guy help us win or not? And he made huge plays. And, you know, people were very critical of his greatest teams with, you know, Stetson Bennett.

Like, is this guy good enough? This double walk-on. Like, what the hell are we doing? This is Georgia. Matt Stafford, Aaron Murray. Like, guys, you can draft really high. Even Carson Beck was discussed, like, a number one overall pick, Gunner Stockton. But if he can, like, you're not playing Tua, right?

Or Jalen Hertz or one of his, Bryce Young. Like, this is Ty Simpson. Again, solid player. But, I mean, I don't think anyone's viewing him a couple games into his career is, like, a top pick. by any means. He has more, I would say, of like a Setsa Bennett type feel to him. Which again, Sets of Bennett. Remember in their championship game had some incredible throws. So he's still in the league on the Rams, the third string quarterback. I just think that whoever, whatever quarterback, one of these quarterbacks is going to shit the bed in one of these games.

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Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To your point, I feel like even Ty Simpson and Alabama, Ryan Grubb and Kailen DeBore kind of rally around a guy like him that's a pocket passer versus Jalen Milro. And maybe it was the offensive scheme, maybe it was just Jalen Milro not be able to read the short intermediate routes. But it felt like any time that something wasn't open, Milro was so eager to get out of the pocket and run.

Whereas Ty Simpson's got a setback. They've got a good receiver trio. Like both sides have really good wide receivers and tight ends. So that's what's going to be fun about this match. because like you said, like who's going to kind of step up between those two quarterbacks and who's going to kind of shit the bed. Yeah. A lot of answers for both teams.

Like, this could go either way, but you just at Georgia at home, it's just like, it's tough for me not to root for Georgia and lean Georgia there. But another SEC game, LSU at Ole Miss. You talked about it. Landry Kiffin, Lane Kiffin's daughter, the week of. I don't know if that's a lame thing. I don't know if Landry Kiffin wants to just kind of stir the pot or maybe get more fame because she's obviously been in the discussion the entire time. Well, she

hard-launched Whitweeks, who was the linebacker from LSU at 18 tackles last year against Ole Miss, one sack. This is kind of another game too, like Alabama, Georgia, we'll get a lot of answers. But LSU more importantly, kind of fraud, some are saying fraudulent, that game against Clemson looked impressive on the road, but Clemson hasn't panned out. Old Miss is kind of, you know, on the rise. Can they expose LSU as pretenders? But this, to me, the question for this game is LSU a legit playoff national contender or will Ole Miss expose them as pretenders in this matchup? I would say if LSU is, they win this game. Their defense has been unreal. Offensively, I mean, a couple people thought that he was a top pick. I don't know if his skill set historically

is like a top 10 pick, but he might just be the best of this group in Dussmire. Helps, you know, he's clearly like a coach's kid, super smart, but his skill set, you know, it's, to me, it's much closer to some of the average guys than it is like the elite tools guys. Now, football is about more than that, right? But I also think if, you know, Lane wins this game, he would have beat Brian Kelly two of the last three years when Brian has NFL. Did he beat him last year? I forget.

Yeah. He's definitely, he's kind of owned Brian Kelly, right? And Brian's had Jaden Daniels and Nussmeyer. And now it's one thing, like he loses dart and he's got this quarterback situation. But also you win this game, all of a sudden, to me, he becomes the number one candidate upon Florida, right? And then I think that kind of just builds on each other on itself. You were telling me his documentary is coming out. He clearly quit drinking.

He looks fantastic. He's lost a bunch of weight. He does feel like a different guy. And there is no disputing, like, his offensive prowess now. Because defensively, they're clearly not as good. But scoring points, he has dominated with different coordinators. A couple years ago, right, Levy was his OC. He's now at Mississippi State.

Like, Lane's really good, and I'm sure he gets this from his dad. He's been around football his whole life putting together staffs, different guys. I just think you win this game, complete onage over Brian Kelly, and we just start talking about this guy of, like, I don't know how you'd argue that his status as one of the top coaches. Like, he's not coaching at Texas or Georgia or Ohio State. Like, this is a place that I think when he won double-digit games a couple of years, years ago back-to-back years the first time it ever happened in the history of the program. So, and he's doing it, you know, new transfer portal king or whatever he's known as.

I just have a hard time picking Lane against it. Now, at home, he's kind of been bitching this week that the game's during the day. He's like, if we were at LSU, you know that thing to be a night game. If we're at Georgia, you know the thing's going to be a night game and they play here, the sun's out. But Lane's pretty good at doing those Japs. That's why if you told me, like, did he tell her to do that to know, like, his fan base would start fucking with him? I think he's involved because it's not like he doesn't know his daughter's dating her

I mean anyone that follows the family on social media they're pretty tight-knit group If he does this with I think one thing about Lane Kiven that's underrated too is his ability to grab quarterbacks out of everywhere Like they're quarterback that's going to play this game Not a lot of people know him

He played the last two games against Tulane and Arkansas But his name's Trinidad Chamblis And he was a transfer from Ferris State Division II National Champion He's kind of coming to the scene and he was he came in in a spring transfer portal and a much people were like who's this guy from ferris state who's this division two guy oh well austin simmons is going to start 19 year old four star like he was the backup behind jackson dart he gets hurt against kentucky throws two interceptions this chamois guy comes in and

the team around him the fan bases around him their offense looks a lot more explosive and he's kind of that dual threat he six one um he goes in and beats brian kelly with this guy a division two transfer coming in who's only played two games, played Division 2. Well, you got Garrett Nussmeier who played all last year. He's had a rough start, but he's got more, you know, starts under his belt in the SEC. Like, you want to talk about stunting your nuts on the SEC and on Brian Kelly. You win this football game. Oh, my gosh.

I would say, though, and I've been a part of smaller schools at Cal Poly and Fresno State. You do have guys that are playing there that could go to a top program and be an immediate impact guy. Yeah. And I think that's the one thing cool about the transfer portal is you get like, Jared verse from Albany going to Florida State or this situation where before he probably just would have played at Fair Estate, right? His whole career and like some scout bangs the table and he goes in the six or seventh round. And you're like, what?

Who they draft? And nowadays, like that guy is just like the D1A guys and the D2 guys. I know the way these personnel departments would just give me who's the MVP of the league, who's the stat leader. We should just get some evaluation on them to see if it's worth. it and then boom you start DMing them and you don't know I bet when they did it like it was like this kind of a diamond they didn't expect him to start right because like you said jackson darts backup highly recruited guy but hey if we can find a depth piece as a backup quarterback

from montana or fairer state or whatever let's do it and that's what that's what sucks about those little schools they never had to if you're a fair estate 20 years ago and you had a potential seventh round pick or whatever you didn't need to worry about some SEC school calling them That never happened. That's one thing I do think is cool about the portal is this year seeing it. Like John Matthew went from Washington State explodes. Joey Aguilar from Ave State to Tennessee explodes. This guy.

I think it is cool. It sucks for the smaller schools. Cool for the kids. But it is cool to see those guys get the opportunity and transfer. And I just think overall, like programs like Ole Miss, programs like Oklahoma that are going and experience these guys at smaller schools. Even Indiana with Fernando Mendoza. and what they did with Curtis Warwick.

Like, experience is always going to have, an experienced quarterback that's seen a lot of football, no matter what the level is, to your point, about Division 2, they're going to have immediate success versus a guy like Austin Simmons that, yeah, he played against Georgia last year, had that sick drive, but he's 19 years old. Like, it's going to take him a little developmental stuff to get to the level of Chamblis.

LSU-wise, you saw LSU Brian Kelly break out about, after that Florida game, they had five interceptions. The defense has been outstanding with Blake. Baker. You think you think Brian Kelly this game with Ole Miss, they can't, their rushing de events is horrible. Like the emphasis to run the football, it feels like for Brian Kelly to just get that monkey off his back. It's like, can we run the football against Ole Miss or am I just going to get disgust about this the entire season? Like their offense has been kind of questionable. And you wonder if a game like this, they can't get it going against Old Miss if it's going

for the rest of the season. Yeah, to me if their offense can't get going, then they're not a national title contender. And I think if they were to lose this game, you would start questioning, like, are are like they could lose other SEC games. You know, that game against Bama would be hard. You would just start saying that I wouldn't trust them as much. What's crazy to me is LSU had like Louisiana always had like DBs, D-Lyman, running backs. How are they not just have some sweet running back? Yeah.

I don't get it, you know? What's it? Justice Haynes, the running back from Michigan that was the transfer from Bama. That's the other thing. The transfer portal, you should be all over a guy. or two to be able to land just a serviceable, like, yeah, this guy's like a fifth round pick. I'm not even talking like second round pick, but they can't run the ball. Like, that's a little concerning, which wouldn't you, you're a Notre Dame guy.

I mean, it always hung his hat on just running the ball down people's throats at Notre Dame. Yeah, they got two guys where, you're right. I mean, LSU went out in the portal for the first time. They grabbed a bunch of dbs, grabbed a bunch of receivers. And Durham's a good player, but it's almost like the offensive line has issues more than even Durham. So, I mean, yeah, you could pass the ball all you want, but at the end of the day, like you said, you've got to establish the running game. Sabin said this forever when he transitioned over the last like six years is as the game

changed, even if you're the best defensive coach and he clearly was and you have great defensive players, you need to score points in this modern day football. The way it's officiated, you can't just crush people over the middle. Your players get tossed out of games. So you can't intimidate as much physically. You've got to. And what did they do? What did Alabama do under?

him. They got heavy, heavy on offense, like, emphasized it more than ever. And, you know, obviously, LSU's offense, a couple, like, if you put the Jay Daniels' offense with this defense, I would say they would be the best team in the country. And that's where Miami is like their defense is elite and their offense looks good. But we don't see any like the elite offenses also have the good defenses. Everything has been a little off-kilter, you would say, the last couple years, with like a complete team. Ohio State founded at the end last year. Yeah, I agree.

But they were also pretty rare, right? They had like this really, really experienced defense with all these like fourth and fifth year guys that have been there forever. And then the quarterback got hot and they had, you know, incredible offensive skill guys. The last question. There's not a team like that in the country, I would say. Like it's good top to bottom is Ohio State, right?

Ohio State last year when they were playing well is better than any team this year, I would say. Yeah, I agree. And that's what I think is great about this year. it feels more wide open than last year, which is kind of a good transition for the 16th playoff that's going to get hopefully figured out in the offseason, and then that will probably go next year,

which it's great, more football, the academic calendar, the transfer portal, I don't know how it's going to deal with, but the last question I got, last burning question, who in your mind is the best team in the country right now? After September, heading into week five, who do you think is the best team in college football right now? From just a talent standpoint,

you would say the most complete team, would probably be Miami. But their coach, you know, of all these top guys, is the biggest wild card. I mean, we can talk shit about Brian Kelly or Kalin. I mean, those guys have won a lot more big games than this guy. This guy's blown a lot of them. And excellent recruiter, the guy knows talent, give him credit on hiring this defensive coordinator.

Their defense looks incredible. The Carson Beck's thing, which I thought was a joke, I mean, it's been a pretty good move for him. You know, it's not like Mario's cutting the check. does he care whether a guy's making a million or four million, not his problem. But, like, do I trust that guy playoff game after playoff game after playoff game? Listen, say what you want. Like, I was down on Ryan Day, but even going into the playoffs last year, like, he had won big games before, right? And been in a lot of big games.

Mario feels like he's lost every one of his big games up until this year. But they look pretty good right now. They definitely look pretty good. And, you know, the ACC's not as hard. so they should be a little, I would say, fresher than whatever SEC team or Big Ten team that they face. You know, if they run the table or even go, what, 12 and 1, assuming they win the ACC championship game, they will get a buy. So, and you've got a defensive line, like, it's just like Carson Beck, Mario Cristobal. Like, can you envision those guys on the podium, January, whatever, holding the trophy?

That'd be pretty clear. That'd be pretty nuts. Their odds are still high, too. I think they're like plus 1,400. So I think the sports books are still even a little hesitant, even though they look like the most complete team in your point. I think the one question mark, to your point about Mario Cristobal and the coaching decisions, they haven't been on the road this season.

They go at Florida State next week. So that's one of those games on the road, tight game, back and forth, comes down to the wire. Like, how does Mario Cristobal, does he make the correct coaching decision, than what he did against Syracuse last year when they probably should have went for it? They kicked the field goal and they ended up not getting the ball back for the rest of the game. So those little things, like that's the one question mark I would have with Miami, but they look so complete. Was it Georgia Tech last year where they ran the ball fumbled and then the dude drove and scored? He had one of those moments in Oregon too. He just had, I guess part of it's probably a little unfair how critical we are, but he's had some historic last minute, like epic losses.

Like they are of all the top teams. No, James Franklin has lost two good teams, but I don't remember like legendary losses. like Mario has multiple of them at Oregon and obviously the one last year to Georgia Tech. He literally could have just kneeled it and won the game, runs it, fumbles, and then the dude hits two passes and he loses. That was crazy. Now, in fairness, it's not like their team was going to win the Natty last year because their defense sucked, and their defense is clearly a lot better. And that's the one area where you can just flip a switch like Texas Tech or Miami.

You buy the right players, you buy the right coach. You can flip it way faster at the highest level. LSU this year would, you know, I mean, the defense coordinator, was there last year too but you know it's like you can just do it quicker than you used to where it's like oh we got to wait for a couple recruiting classes it's like you wait one spring you're like off and running people in the comments are probably wondering you know why didn't you pick ohio state why didn't you pick georgia i think ohio state you talked about or you're going to talk about it with stucky that released on friday ohio state at washington that'll be kind of a test with julian

saying going on the road i think georgia probably is the most impressive win so far at tennessee the way they battled in that football game but what would you say i guess to the people that are like, well, Ohio State, why aren't they the best team right now or Georgia or some other teams? It's kind of like you can't really pinpoint who's the best team right now because like you said, like now we're starting to get into conference play. This weekend we're going to start to get answers. And then obviously when October, November starts to play out, like it just feels so wide open this year. That's what I think's cool. Like last year in basketball, remember, it's like four one seeds made the final four. And for for really most of the Sabin era,

you kind of knew by now, like top three or four teams. It does feel like what the hell is the difference between Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Ole Miss. If you told me any one of those four were in the final four, I wouldn't be stunned at all. Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State, if you told me any of those teams were rolling in the playoffs in the national championship, would not be surprised.

I just listed seven teams. I haven't even factored in. Unlike last year, you know, it turns out Boise and even ASU, they weren't like Texas Tech has way more NFL guys, especially on defense than those two teams. It's like, why couldn't Texas Tech just take down like a Penn State in the second round? Like that's on the table. Florida State, like you said, they play each other. What if Florida State is good?

I mean, a couple years ago, they went 13 and 0. Or I guess was, yeah, 13 because they won the conference championship again. And the only reason they weren't in the champion or the final four was the quarterback shattered his leg. But now looking back, it's like, God, well, the 49ers, Renardo Green starter, Fisk and Diverse, Keon Coleman. Like that team was loaded with NFL guys that started on playoff teams. Some of the best teams in the NFL.

So you could argue it's like legitimate 12 deep. And the team, whatever, the non-power 4 team, like, what a waste of a spot because that team's got no shot. It sucks. It sucks. Like I love South Florida.

Great win at Florida. But you got a roll against Miami. And to your point, like you didn't even mention Indiana's better this year. What if Michigan gets in at 10 and 2? They look better with Bryce Underwood, with Strohmore. I don't know how good of a coaching is.

I think the Big Ten, the last couple years with NIL, like watching, we were talking about like Rutgers, Iowa, is clearly better. It's just deeper. You know, the SEC used to always say that. Like, oh, yeah, you guys got Ohio State or Michigan if they're good, right? Your top teams are as good as ours. But like three through eight, like it's way harder to play Ole Miss, right? Or even a shitty Florida team, like buckle up.

I feel like the Big Ten is pretty good. I mean, watching, Rutgers is not bad, right? Iowa, their offense suck, but they are a tough team to play. Like Minnesota is going to be solid. Obviously, adding Washington, and now the USC is clearly better. I think the Big Ten's, the last 18 months is better that it has been in terms of the aggregate, the whole. Notre Dame. I mean, I think if Notre Dame runs a table, they're clearly.

I mean, they lost two teams that are probably going to go win a combined 20, 21 games. I feel like they might have to join a conference soon, though. Well, they're going to. Big Ten or SEC. Do you think it even matters? I know the SEC, the ACC are doing this, which I like the non-conference game in them having, I don't know if it's going to be in the middle of the season or beginning, but they're going to have to play another conference.

Do you think it matters that which conference is better in college football? Because I guess that's kind of a way for the CFP. If you get an advantage in terms of more teams, you get more money. It just seems like every day we always talk back and forth, Big Ten versus SEC where I'm like, does it really does it really matter? Or it's just kind of bragging rights, I guess.

Well, I think the current way it does with the 12 teams, perception matters a lot. So it's like the ACC and the Big 12, especially the perception that their conference isn't as good. Like, oh, there's getting one team. It's kind of like universally accepted. The ACC, like it would take Florida and Miami,

basically being, they can only lose to each other and then win every other game. And then the other team would have to beat that team in the conference championship game. But we don't talk about that like with the Big Ten. Even Indiana, once they beat Illinois, it's like, oh, maybe Indiana is real again. So I think that, and they both those conferences

have earned it, but I do think the perception really, really matters. And it's correct. Like, I do believe the Big Ten and the SEC are better than the other two. Like, the Big 12 is clearly to me like Texas Tech is probably pretty good.

We'll see TCU ASU, but there is a drop off, like when I watch Colorado. Like, how many games would Colorado win if you put them in the Big Ten or the SEC? Like, I don't think they would go to bowl games. And who knows? We'll see what their final record is this year. I mean, they might be struggling to get six, seven wins. But, like, that's where the middle tier team, like, let's say Colorado wins six, seven games.

Like, are they going on six or seven games? If they're playing the SEC, no shot. And that's, I'm just, I'm not picking on Dion. You could use, I could use ASU the same thing. If I put this ASU team in the SEC or the Big Ten, like they might go, 10 and 2 or 9 and 3 this year. Well, I saw him lose to Mississippi State on the road. Right.

So what would happen when they, like, what would they do against Florida's defense? Who's, you know, who knows? Florida might tap out here in a week or two because a coach gets fired. But, like, would you say if ASU had to go on the road to Florida this year? Like, they would score many points against that defense? Probably not. That's no shot at ASU. I mean, Florida's just, but that's the SEC.

It's like, I bet if I texted an NFL buddy, like, how many NFL guys does Florida have on defense? he'd be like that are upperclassmen or lower classmen because probably 10 out of 11 guys when you factor in like when they're eligible, right? And that you can't say that about, that's what you can't say about the Big 12 or the ACC. But I actually think the ACC if Cal's, I know they just lost San Diego State,

it's probably a little better. So I would rank the ACC slightly above the Big 12 and maybe I'm just given more credit to like Miami, Florida State. Georgia Tech clearly pretty good. Yeah, I think the Big 12, I think it's good for college football that we have one conference that's got a bunch of teams that's competitive. You got eight teams deep. Like you talk to you,

Arizona State. It's a fun team. It's a fun conference to watch. Yeah, but if you're the commissioner and he's been super outspoken that they want to get multiple teams in the playoff, you're going to have to hope that Arizona State somehow some way, not the booster of the level of Texas tech, but you've got to hope that Arizona State somehow gets a lot of money. You've got to hope that maybe, I don't know, another Texas team in the Big 12 or maybe Colorado starts to get more money.

You got to hope some of those powerhouses in the Big 12 start to get more money where you can get more bids in the college ball playoff. That's the only way that the Big 12 can survive to the level of the Big 10 in the SEC. But man, this weekend is going to be insane. Like if you have a wedding this weekend, the Ryder Cup, you got all these college ball games, get the NFL. I'm sorry. I don't think I could go to a game. I don't think I could schedule a wedding in the fall. You had your wedding in the spring.

Can you imagine going to a wedding right now? No shot. No chance. I don't. I haven't been to a fall wedding. my entire life. I actually went to one college buddy, and I left, I think, like, Sunday morning at like 5 a.m. I left the wedding before, like, the party even got going. I'm like, I got to get home and go to bed so I can catch my flight. So I'm with you. I do think the Big 12, if TCU wins this game and runs the table and you get TCU playing an undefeated Texas Tech and whoever,

I do think they could possibly get two teams because Sunny Dykes has proven that like he runs a real program. And obviously Texas Tech is clearly legit. That would be their path. You can't lose the Mississippi State and ASU's done unless they get the automatic bid by winning, you know, run the table and then win the conference championship game. But like once you lose to Mississippi State, like you're barge, you have no, you're done. Unless you control your own destiny. Because last year, the Big 12 had like a bunch of teams with two or three losses. It seems like this year with Texas Tech, they have a bunch of unranked opponents. I think they got to go out in Arizona State, which I guess could be kind of a challenging game for Texas Tech.

But the way their defensive line looked against Utah, which is supposed to be the best offensive line. line in the country, let alone the Big 12, like I feel like they're just going to bully Arizona State in that game, too. You're right. I feel like TCU beats Arizona State this week. I love Hoover. It stinks because I'm kind of an Arizona State, obviously growing up here, and it's been cool to see Arizona State kind of take that next step and the Valley kind of rally around a college football team where it's more pro-dominate. Even the pro-fan bases aren't even as loyal as what you see in Philly and Boston and San Francisco or wherever too. But TCU as a road dog, yeah, I agree. I think I would lead in TCU. That offense is just a lot.

just so explosive with Sunny Dikes. I mean, you saw what they did to you and see, me a fun game. My last thing, I got to put this in real quick because I'm a fan of the show. Obviously,

I watch John Middukoff, three and out, subscribe. What do you think about Will Compton's bald head? Would you got any advice for Will Compton? Because I saw he've been tweeting about, you know,

should I lotion my head? Obviously, I'm not bald. I got some good hair myself. Thank God for my mom. But I was just curious because you haven't really talked about Will Compton gained another bald brother.

Well, you know, he won't be. bald long, right? He's had to do it because he lost the bet, which, yeah, I get he's loyal to Nebraska, but Nebraska doesn't be decent teams, let alone good ones. I can't speak to guys with hair shaving

their head. They have a lot more follicles on top, but the key, you got to moisturize it like you would your face. So you wash your head like you wash your face. Right? You just, you know, like a normal human being. If you're going to bed and you don't need a shower or whatever, and you just wash your face before you go sleep,

you have to wash your whole head. Like it's all one. It's like the beer just extends. And then you have to moisturize so it's not dry. Then you get ingrown hairs. You know, that first cut, because he's never shaved it, had to be just pretty special how close it was. You know, when you like me and he shave, you know, I don't shave as much because I'm just a podcaster. But if I had a real job and was going into work at seeing people, I'd be shaving like every 18, you know, every day and a half or whatever.

He had to get the closer shave humanly possible. so it has to feel incredible. You just got to hydrate because your skin can get dry really fast and then you got problems. Do you use bar of soap? I don't use bar of soap. No, I don't use bar of soap.

It's fucking 2025. Bar soap. Bar so is criminal. I just thought that was a universal ball thing that everyone used. Are you in jail? Like, I mean, you got a million options.

No, I don't use a bar of soap. I don't use bar soap in general. I mean, I'm a grown-up with, you know, you use a pump bottle of like normal body wash with a lufa.

This isn't, this isn't like my dad in like 1983. I mean, we got, we got options here. If you're a bar soap, if you're a bar soap guy, are you a bar soap guy? I mean, I use it on my occasional. Yeah, I got body wash right now, but I'll rotate you around. Do you have a lufa bars, you know, you just use the lufa? Yeah, I got the lufa. Yeah, yeah.

What could justify in 2025 using a bar soap and not like a body wash with a lufa that's easier to use? Well, I heard SVP use it. So I just thought it was a universal bald guy thing. Maybe he's kind of an older, old fashioned guy. Yeah, I mean, he's a little older and you think. think and uh bar soap to me would just my my whole face would would dry it would fall off so i couldn't i haven't use a bar of soap beside at a hotel and even typically i bring like a little like body wash with me that's that's a little hack so you just use shampoo no i haven't used shampoo

since i've been bald say money you don't use you you don't use shampoo you know there's what what would i need shampoo for my chest hair like i mean i don't there's no hair. I mean, no. You know, because part of shampoo is to keep your hairs soft, right? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that, I mean, and dandruff or whatever, but I don't. Yeah, conditioner, yeah, conditioner keeps your hair soft. Those aren't problems that I get. So it's just, it's just face wash and body wash. No shampoo. You learn something new every day. That's awesome. Okay, adios, Jackson. Good talk. See ya. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news,

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Given all the game swinging field goals we've seen this year and the randomness associated with end results, I was wondering if you think the NFL would ever make a rule change to eliminate the kickers. I know a lot of head coaches and fans hate that these non-football players sometime decide games. So it got me thinking, what if they turn the red zone into the score zone? No more field goal attempts, but instead teams need to get inside the red zone to automatically qualify for three.

Similar to baseball, if a team wants to take three points when they cross the opponent's 20-yard line, the coach can signal three to the ref, where this can get interesting at the end of games. basically not only that if a team gets to say the 19 yard line with a with a minute left to go down two the other team has a has a couple timeouts they wouldn't be able to take knees and kick field goals I think it would require a lot more strategy I think it's a little more complicated than the way you said once they get into the quote unquote score zone and I know I get automatically three couldn't I just run out the clock I could still take knees You'd have to call timeouts. What would be the difference?

And I know I'd get the three. I think the problem, the volatility of football, and this is why people hate the tush pushes, because we know what's going to happen, they're going to get a yard or two, is I can stop you. We just saw in the Ravens game, like I can get a goal line stand.

I can cause a turnover. You can miss a field goal. Like, we don't know what's going to happen. When the Rams lined up for that field goal, I thought the Eagles were going to lose the game. Like that's a same thing with the Packer game when they blocked it. You just, you just never know. And I know some field goals are longer than others,

and you're talking about, you know, a 19-yard field goal is 29 is like 35 yards, right? The actual, when you factor in the 10 yards for the goal line and then whatever, six or seven for where they line up. So you usually add 15 plus yards to, you know, if it's a 20-yard, if you're at the 20-yard line, I view it as 35-yard field goal. It could be off a yard depending on, you know, exactly how you line. lineup, but that's usually, you know, the standard. But I just think that's never happening, or at least for the foreseeable feat.

I would never say never. Okay, let's get into Jake. I'm here in the great state of Alaska. Never been, but know some people that have, and I'm very fascinated to go. I would love to watch the animals play a little golf, maybe go on like an elk hunt. Of the six teams, not that I've ever been on an elk count, but if I was going to go on one, Alaska sounds like the place. there are currently six teams that are 0 and 3.

Who is truly the quote-unquote worst team in the league? And who do you think still is a shot of not finishing the season with a losing record? I personally would rank them like this. The Titans, the Saints, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Texans, the Giants. P.S. There's still room to join the anti-Munday night doubleheader club, by the way. Next Monday night, two games overlap. Yeah, but if you check and Google the games, it is Miami against the Jet.

It's kind of like the Jets' money line in that game, and the Broncos against Jake Browning. So that sucks. And I'm not, one thing I'm going to try very, very, make a conscious effort to do is not be negative. I'm just in general in life, but specifically like complaining about football games. It's so stupid. But we all agree, Jets Dolphins is not a great Monday night game. But if you were going to have Jets Dolphins on Monday night, at least have the other game. So if one of the two games is close, it's not the worst thing in the world.

I would say currently I would agree the Titans I would say the Saints are better than the Jets I think the Saints are better than the Jets and the Dolphins because I do think their offense is not bad I would take the Saints over those two teams so I would go Titans Dolphins Jets Saints

Texans Giants Potentially Giants Texans depending on how DAC, or not DAC, but Dart looks. I don't hate it. I think the Texans and Giants, I think the Giants would have the best capability of, like, looking up and they're competitive and their 7-8 wins. I think the Texans are in some trouble.

Now, they do play the Titans this week. If they were to lose that game, they are screwed. A fan from Canada. My question is, why do you constantly refer to Jim Tom Sula as one of the worst coaches of all time? I get he wasn't good, but I think guys like Urban Meyer, Nathaniel Hackett, and Bobby Petrino were way worse.

I'm curious, because the 49ers had him as an assistant for eight plus years in-house. When someone works in the same company for several years usually means he's relatively well-liked. Well, there's no disputing. He was well-liked and he was an excellent defensive line coach. Jim Tom Sula was a highly respected position coach. Very highly respected position coach. But when he got the job,

it would be like going from a high-level CEO to a guy that's not even middle management. I mean, Jim Tom Sulla is a position coach, that's it. So, yeah, his record is not the worst of all time. He will, you know, Chip Kelly, who came after him, who's probably much more suited to be a head coach, had a worse record than Jim Tom. It's one of those things he's had to be there.

So this is more on personal experience. Like Urban Meyer was objectively a worst coach. He did not make it through the season. Nathaniel Hackett did not make it through. one season. Josh McDaniels has had two head coaching jobs and been fired midway through year two and both. So I just used Jim Tom Sulla as a reference point, mainly because I was there. Like, I don't think if you weren't living and doing what I was doing for a living, covering football, talking about football, you probably would bring up other people. But I would put Jim Tom,

and it's no shade, like Jim Tom Sula, by all accounts, a nice guy. Though rumors back then that he backstabbed Jim Harbaugh and Fangio, but again, it's more of a personal preference, right? Like, if we all ate at the same restaurants, we would be like, oh, these three, there would be a lot of agreement of like, these are the best restaurants in America, right? And this would be like, that's the worst sandwich I've ever had. But we all live in different places, we all have different tastes, and we're all all over the mord, right? It's no different with football. If you are a Giants fan or a Jags fan or whoever, fan. If I went to a Giants fan, like, who's the worst coach you've ever seen? Their first reaction probably would be like Joe Judge, right? What could I argue with them? I mean, he called a

quarterback sneak from their own nine-yard line. I mean, so I think it's all personal experience when we bring up making fun of coaches. It's like, who's the worst quarterback you've ever seen? Well, if you went different areas of the country, everyone would probably have a different example. Steeler fan. I've always wondered why the Ravens franchise isn't looked at an all-time as an all-time franchise. They are technically the same franchise that had Jim Brown and won a ton of championships. See, I'm going to stop you before you even get to your question. When you move, right? When you exist somewhere, move, go away, and then come back.

You don't have the same history as just like the New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys or the Alabama Crimson Tide. where it's just universal, right? It's like what Bill Simmons always argues with the Lakers. It's like, how do you claim the Minnesota titles? And I kind of agree. You can keep the same name, but when you played in different cities,

they're separate operations. This is way before my time, but the, you know, they used to call them the New York football giants because the San Francisco Giants came from New York or the Brooklyn Dodgers. But like when you compare the Brooklyn history to the L.A. history,

I have a hard time doing that. So I hear what you're saying about these franchises. But when you move and you become a different franchise, like I just, we don't see it as much anymore because it rarely happens. Like the Raiders, for example. Whatever happens in Vegas, especially once the Davis family no longer owns the team, it's going to be hard for the Raiders in Vegas to like,

when they start, Bears is weird because they haven't had much success lately. But talk about, like, Jim Plunkett. It's like Jim Plunkett did that in L.A. Right? I just think it's very difficult. You know, talking about the Chicago fans can take a lot of pride in like the 85 Bears. George Hallis, building our team back in the 50s.

Right. If you're a Packer fan, even if you're younger than me and you go, freaking Vince Lombardi, coach the Green Bay Packers. You can say it's part of the same history, right? It's like the same family line. I think when you start moving around cities, it becomes really complicated. But I think it's actually a huge reflection of how successful Baltimore has been since moving there. What year was that?

They move in 95, 96. I was listening to your thoughts on Brian Thomas Jr. And it struggles this year. And I think I disagree a bit. I think the problem is that he really didn't start breaking out until later in the season when he was playing with McCorkle. that'd be Mac Jones. I said McCorkel. I just love that his real name is McCorkel.

I don't think he has a very good connection with Trevor Lawrence. And it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes. Keep up the great work. My theory was that he kind of went, lost a little confidence when they drafted Travis Hunter and it kind of took the wind out of his star. So again, that was just a completely uneducated theory. I didn't claim to be right on that one.

You're probably right. Yeah, I don't have a good thing. great answer for you there. But there's no disputing. Like, he's a really talented player. And sometimes guys just don't have a good connection. I mean, I don't think we talk about that enough. Sometimes you're just so good, like Mahomes and Peaked Tyree Kill, right? Or Josh Allen and, I mean, I guess who's the best receiver he played with Diggs? You know, Lamar and the tight ends, right? Burrow and Chase. But sometimes it's like, yeah, we just, it's just our cohesion's off. It just doesn't work. We see that sometimes with like free agent wide receivers. You see that

baseball with pitchers. Some pitchers have a specific catcher for them. Probably pretty rare. I don't follow baseball as close as I used to, but it used to be more like Tim Wakefield had a specific catcher, which made sense because he threw a knuckleball. I hear Colin suggest that Burroughs should try to get out of Cincinnati. While the Bengals are cheap, I feel like they've done everything Burroughs wanted since he got there. They drafted Chase. They paid him. They paid Chase Ann Higgins. They brought back Trey Hendrickson. it'd be much harder to field a better D and O line

with the money they have tied up in Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. I agree. How could Burrow be the one getting screwed? I don't think he's totally getting screwed. And I've said over and over, even if he feels that way, Mike Brown is not going to care for the foreseeable future. Because not only am I paying you a premium, I paid these two wide receivers.

Now, every single person would have paid Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is a guy that every franchise in America pays. I do think the T. Higgins thing was you know, how fundamentally do you want to build your team? And that feels like pure pressure for the quarterback where I just like, I can find another T. Higgins, even if he's not quite as good, but if I use a second or third rounder on a wide receiver

and then I use this money and allocate the resources other places, isn't that part of paying Joe Burrow to make guys look good to go along with you March A's? Maybe we draft one of these sweet running backs. I don't know, but I totally in agreement there. we could argue like is this the right move there's a reason that GM's GM and quarterback's quarterback

Belichick didn't ever listen to Tom Brady and it resulted in nine Super Bowl appearances and six victories if you would have listened to Tom they would have been completely different right so there's a reason you know

in business the old adage and Collins has been saying this it's like take the emotion out of it when you're too emotionally tied to a business deal whatever that may be, right? Whether it be a big business deal, whether it be a car purchase,

whether it be arguing over a salary, whatever it is. The more emotionally you get connected, the harder it is for clarity and the easier it is to make a mistake. Well, how could a player not be emotionally tight? He's in the locker room there as friends. And there's somewhat of a buffer

when you're the GM, even more than the coach, that you can be unemotional about the player. Even if in this modern day NFL, the GMs definitely, I don't know, I want to say the word tight, but I think in a lot of franchise, you know, definitely with their star players and their high-end guys, the GMs, they have very good relationships, right? I mean, you hear a lot of these players now and name the GM constantly, right?

Obviously, the best example is the Chiefs with Mahomes and Patrick, or I guess Patrick Mahomes is the same guy, Kelsey. They talk about Veach a lot, but there's no deal. different than the Eagles with Howie. He knows his players really well. But he also can be cut throughout when he needs to. And as a player, you don't want to lose any of your friends that are good players. But that's not the way the business works. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong on what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that.

I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. this is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed.

And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Ely Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job.

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They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you think the Vikings are regretting not signing Sam Donald? J.G. McCarthy is hurt again and did not leave me impressed over the two games. Personally, I think the Vikings made a mistake. I realized Sam didn't play well last game of the season in the playoff game.

I think the GM sometimes don't realize the benefit of having someone play every year over, every play year over year for them. Sam knew the system. They would have been able to build on the last year. Baker is a great example of this. He's a good first season with the Bucks, but seems to have gotten better progressively each of the next couple years. Yeah, I mean, I think, listen,

the difference of the Baker situation is once they pulled the trigger on JJ, while I agree you're going to have a short lease with JJ, like JJ's not getting four years to be injured in and out of the lineup. Like, he's getting a couple. He better get back on the field and be good, or this is going to be short-lived. But after year one, they were in a tough position. And I think it's easy to say that now.

Now you could also say, like, who cares? Use the pick on them. He can be the backup quarterback. it was pretty risky that there's no doubt about it. But their team wouldn't look the same today that they allocated all those resources on buying players if they had kept Sam.

Now you could argue, well, the team they had last year won 14 games. So I think here's what I know. The chances that JJ McCarthy is ever as good as Sam was last year or is currently. Even if Sam doesn't improve,

which naturally, like you said about Baker, guys just kind of do once they prove they're kind of good, is slim than none. It would be a huge upset if J.J. McCarthy is as good as those guys. Right? To be ever as good as Kirk Cousins

or it doesn't feel likely. On top of he can't stay on the field. So I think if he's in and out of lineup this year, they might regret it. But at the time, I understood where they were coming from. I do. I mean, because part of drafting J.J. McCarthy really high is like, you believed in it.

but also sometimes with a draft pick when you haven't seen them play, it's essentially like buying a stock. You can have the conviction. You can have got in on $10. You're like, I'm telling you, I think there's a chance this thing goes to $50 or $100. But then after a year or two, if that $10 stock is at $7, like you've got to contemplate selling it.

Now, sometimes if you sell it at $7 and take your 30% haircut over the next couple years, like Sam Donald or Baker-Maf, field or now Daniel Jones, that thing goes to $50. And it kicks you in the nuts. A lot of times it does not, though. So I think the Vikings are monitoring the situation closely. I would say they're not full regret yet. But if Sam leads Seattle to the playoffs and J.J. McCarthy becomes a, I don't know, just hurt all the time, let alone not good player.

You could be correct. You talking about someone's question of Russell playing himself out of the Hall of Fame, really grinds my gears about how Football Hall of Fame is being diluted and the baseball to that of the baseball and basketball ones. My personal criteria for the Hall of Fame should be this. You need to either

have changed the way the position gets played or if we're writing the anthology of football, if your name has to be included, then you belong in the Hall of Fame. The idea of my childhood hero, Dorel Revis, sharing the Hall of Fame title with Russell Wilson, is just disappointing. You could argue,

like Revis is one of the best players ever at his position and on defense. Russell is not one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. But you could argue telling the story of football in the internet age, he played a pivotal role. Like he helped one of the best teams in the league, get to a couple of Super Bowls, win a Super Bowl, become a pro bowler as a mid-round pick, kind of change football as a short player.

Think of the floodgates that opened to little guys being drafted high. you go back to when I was a kid in the 90s, none of these guys would have been drafted out. Baker Mayfield, no, Kyler Murray, no chance. Not saying that they might not have deserved it, but they would not have been. Because you didn't draft players high.

They were short. So I think Russell Wilson kind of opened that opportunity. I mean, Bryce Young, it's like $5.10, a buck 50. I'd make the argument. You could write the story without Russell because you could just talk about Pete in the defense, but he played a pretty pivotal role there. So I might make the argument,

I'm coming around on Russell. If you put him in the Hall of Fame, there's worse guys in there. Is it fair to say that this year has played out that the top NFC teams, Eagles, Packers, Rams, Lions, looks stronger than the AFC. Bill's, Ravens, Chargers, Chiefs.

I would say right now the NFC looks pretty strong. Right, even if their teams have weird games like the Eagles have kind of scuffled on offense. I see Drew Breeze, he took a giant dump on the Eagles offense, saying he hates watching it, which I don't disagree when they're playing bad. But when they're right, they're fun out. I mean, it's fun to watch Seguan Barclay, bust 50-yard runs, AJ and Devante make big plays.

When they're playing well, they're fun offense to watch. But I would tend to agree. I would tend to agree. I think the NFC's teams are more complete for sure. I mean, I just don't think the bills are that good on defense. Ravens offense has major question marks. Same with the Chiefs. The Chargers, do they have the high-end talent to win the Super Bowl?

Denver's clearly got some issues. Bo Nicks, I saw someone do a statistical breakdown and kind of a tape breakdown. Like, he is missing too many layups, and on the big plays, he's overthrowing him. So part of being an elite team is like, you need that guy to play better. So, yeah, I think there are a lot of question marks with the AFC. The Colts? Like, are a Colts going to rattle off playoff victories? I don't know. Doubtful. College football question.

I'm a diehard Wisconsin fan. Are we dead? Luke Fickle was a huge swing and it's blowing up in front of our faces. I heard your comments on Gundy at Oklahoma State and now I fear that Wisconsin is going to be left behind too. Listen, in any industry change, right? In any pivotal switch or just direction for an industry, there are going to be big winners and they're going to be losers. And some of those big winners have already been winning.

Right. So NIL, like Ohio State, awesome. Oregon, sweet, sign me up. Texas, right? I'm in. Georgia. Cool. And some of these other teams like, damn,

Texas Tech is now in the mix? Like, no, Texas Tech is a real player. Right? Miami, like, hey, we got big money, we're back. So it clearly brings some got people back, and the winners say the winners, but also there are going to be some losers. And I actually think, you know, I probably said this over the last couple of weeks. I think one of the big winners of NIL is the Big Ten as a whole, right? I feel their conference is, and I told this to Jackson,

and it feels better or feels deeper than it has been. I think NIL plays a role. But I don't know. I mean, Maryland Rutgers look credible. I wouldn't say your UCLA bad, but it clearly has not gone well. And, you know, that picture slash video went viral was the AD sitting with McCarthy,

which in theory shouldn't be that weird. McCarthy lived in, You know, Green Bay for 15 years. He's synonymous with that area. Probably has a place, good friends. But it's like, well, Fickle's going to get fired. They're chanting fire Fickle. Mike McCarthy's probably not going to get an NFL job.

Would he be interested in that? I mean, what if they pay him? $6, 7 million. Question is, can you win there? And NIL, to me, is the number one question. Right? You can give me a large, you know, a couple million dollars for my offensive and defensive coordinator. Great.

But I'm in a conference with Ohio State, which I would say when you factor in everything is the best program in the country. Michigan is not going to go quietly, even as they kind of eb, you know, a little downturn post-harbaugh, but they're going to spend huge money. Oregon and Penn State are just humming, right? They recruit at a high level. They have money. They're producing dudes. USC is going to start storming back because of the money. Who am I missing?

Washington is going to be solid. They got money, and they care about football, and they have really been good beside the one Jimmy Lake season since Chris Peterson got there. That program has just been a solid, it's kind of been like the West Coast version of like Iowa, maybe a little bit better, and I think it's hard.

So you can't have every team in the conference can't be good. like part of the SEC, like how did Lane get good? Well, look at some programs. Florida fell off the cliff. Florida has not been good. Mississippi State sucks. Mississippi State 10 years ago, like Dan Mullen, Dack Prescott, they were good. So programs, like some people in your conference,

if you're going to win 9, 10 games, have to go the other way. And I don't know. I would bet against it. Look at Nebraska. Right? Like, I grew up in Nebraska was like an NFL. team and now they feel like they're trying,

but it's never going to be the same. It just, and that's no shade. I'm not, I would love to root for Nebraska. I appreciate the brand. But I don't know. Okay, a couple more. Is Shane Waldron the worst past game coordinator in league history?

As soon as he leaves the Rams, Cup goes for the triple crown. Then after he leaves the Seahawks, JSN Monster Breakout. Last season is the Bears past game coordinator, Rome looked like a bust. Now he's gone. Roam is looking like one of the top receivers in the league.

He's with the Jags and making BTJ look like a fringe wide receiver 3, something or nothing. I don't know, I'd have to text around. I mean, clearly you would say his resume's not great. And I think some guys just get in this... You know, if you work at the right place, right? If you go to the right place,

I've said one thing I benefit from is the organization I was with had a lot of people that knew what they were doing and have gone on to have a lot of success. Personnel people and coaches. So when I have questions, when I have thoughts, like I can go to high level people, right? Eagles winning Super Bowls, Chiefs winning Super Bowls. I can text people in these organizations and get their opinions that are part of the best teams in the league, that have the best players in the league. but if I had been offered a job with the Arizona Cardinals at the time

or the Miami Dolphins or whoever, just some bad organization, I would have taken that job. I only went to the Eagles because that was my best opportunity. It was my only opportunity. Coach Hill got on the phone with Andy Reed. Harry Roseman interviewed me. I got the gig, right? It just happened to be that, you know, Vech and Louis Riddick

and Sean McDermott and all these guys were there. And you look at Shane Waldron, he got in with the Rams so it's like Sean McVe so he knows Liam Cohen because Liam Cohen was there and he gets the hype of McVe but he was just there

so is he a good coach just because he was hired by Sean McVeigh right there's no saying that I would have been a good GM just because Andy Reid hired me hell look at me turned into a podcaster I'm glad I did

but just because you work for someone doesn't mean you're them I kind of realize why I never even thought about getting back. And once my career this way, I was like, I'm not Howie Roseman. First, I'm, or Veach. Like, I knew I don't like, I don't like football as much as those guys. And listen, football's my life. Football to them is crack and they're addicts. Same thing with the coaches. Andy, Sean McDermott, all these guys. So I just think, yeah, I mean, you can get by on resume in football based on, oh, I worked for Jim Harbaugh.

Okay, well, that was a long time ago. What have you done since? Well, not much. It hasn't gone well. People don't talk. But it's like, you can parlay that for a while. Okay, last question. Why do you think touchdowns and yards by quarterbacks are down despite the rule changes and the extra game?

Pat threw 50 in his first year. Brady had 43 a second year and others had close to 40. Now 36-ish is considered a great year. I think what Sam Darnold had throw a 35 or 36. last year and it was incredible. You'd have to get like, I think you'd have to get like a defensive coaching roundtable and offensive coaches

to kind of get truly their thoughts on this. One consistent theme I see when listening to coaches press conferences is a lot of these teams now, and this is why I think the running back has come back, is playing a much more conservative shell. Like, we're not going to just give you big plays. We will let you dump it to the running back.

Running backs have a lot of success. now in the passing game. And obviously running backs are coming back from running the ball because what happens with a defensive backfield and linebackers cheating back, right? You can run it on them, right? It's like you used to go, Peyton Manning, you had a corner

as your nickel corner that couldn't tackle, he would call runs to him all day long. So you just take strengths for their weaknesses and you go. And it's like you're just going to give me a free, five, six yards, and if I got a good player, all he has to do is break one tackle or make a guy miss. It's a 20-yard game. So I think

I think there's probably several variables, but I think one big thing is the conservative nature of defenses throughout a game. You know, it used to be, there'd be a lot more crazy aggressive teams. You know, Wink Martindale kind of felt like a dying breed of just, I'm going to blitz, I'm going to play man. Now, I also think this, DBs as a whole are probably a little faster. so the speed of and safeties as well. When I, you know, people that I grew up watching like Tim McDonald, Atwater, and then meeting guys when I worked in the league like safeties, like Lewis Riddick was a safety in the NFL.

Todd Bowles was a safety in the 80s. Safeties from the 80s and 90s look like linebackers. These guys are 6'2. When they played, they were like 215 pounds. Guys now are not as big. It's much more, because back then you went over the middle. Those guys would give, I mean, they were giving concussions out like they give out orange slices at a kid's soccer game. I mean, they would, you meet some of these former safeties, John Lynch.

I remember the first time I met John Lynch when he was working with the Niners. And you know, I'm like 5'10. I'm not that big. He towered over him. John Lynch is huge. You go to practice, though, like the safeties don't look like him. He's bigger than all the safeties at practice. and if we went around the league,

Kyle Hamilton is an outlier. Back in the day, Kyle Hamilton's were everywhere. Cam Chancellors, that body type, it does not exist. They're all smaller. So when you're smaller, you're faster, in theory. But, I mean, so I think team speed on defense, doesn't mean they're good D.Bs.

It just means they're faster, so I can chase you better, where you have more explosive plays when you have the bigger safeties because if they took a wrong angle, they couldn't run with the wider season. receivers. It does feel like there's a lot more team speed with the back four, and even the linebackers. Like, think about the linebackers now. They are not. You watch that Cowboys dock of the

Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, 90s Cowboys. Ken Norton Jr. is like a 255-pound run stuffing linebacker. When he went to the 49ers, him and Gary Plummer, those guys, like, they don't exist. No one plays. The best linebackers, like Fred Warner, Roquan, or like hybrid guys. It would have been much harder for them to hold up back in like the 80s against these run-heavy teams. They just leaned on you. Well, people don't lean on you anymore. They spread the ball out and throw.

So I think it's a philosophical and just size change. I just think they've adapted in the human beings that play those positions. And the schemes are much more conservative that make it more difficult. That's why I think we've seen these running backs kind of have a little resurgence for sure. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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