The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Ken Rideout's story, Will Lamar crash out, Could McDonald call offensive plays

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

On the podcast today John is joined by Ken Rideout to talk about his amazing journey to becoming one of the best marathon runners in the world. The guys dive into Ken's upbringing and back story growing up in Boston, his struggle to become sober, when he got into competitive running, and how it's going, being on the other side of hard. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we have a big show. We, uh, I met this guy at the Super Bowl. His name is Ken Rideout. He's got an incredible story. He's from Boston. He sounds like he's buddies with Wighty Bulger. He worked in finance like a wolf of Wall Street, became like a drug addict, turned his life around now as the top ultra marathoner in the world.

According to the Wall Street Journal, he's just a fascinating individual. He's my type entertainment, so he came on the show. We'll talk his story because it's pretty interesting. It's really interesting. He's got a book coming out. I met him at the Super Bowl party. and we will also do a little mailbag at John Middlecoff.

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I said, this is my type guy. Ken Riteout, who some consider the fastest marathon runner over 50, just written in the Wall Street Journal. He has a book coming out, the other side of hard here in about a month on March 10th. You can buy it wherever you purchase your books. I'm more of an audio book guy, so I will fire that thing down on my iPhone. Big Patriot guy, Ken, have you recovered from the Super Bowl loss? That was a tough one, man. I was happy that they got there considering they only had four wins last year, but definitely mixed emotions.

I can handle the loss, the humiliating fact, the humiliating way in which they lost definitely made it a bit more painful for sure. But good run for the boys. So I didn't know that much about your story. And Jamie introduced us and reading and watching some interviews with you. You got a fascinating story. I mean, you know this. You've talked about it. I guess let's just start when you were young. You're now into ultra marathoners or ultra marathons having a lot of success. We'll dive in. You ran in Mongolia. I definitely want to hear about that. But you were a young guy in Boston who kind of took off in the finance world. I guess kind of let's start from your youth, kind of a rough childhood to, you know, playing some college football right, to go into New York City to all of a sudden making a lot of money as a young guy, just kind of took off fast for you. Yeah, very fast.

But, you know, it was like the longest overnight success in history. Yeah, I grew up in Somerville, like very much a blue collar, like a hard scrabble town. Like for context, when I got out of high school, my first job was as a guard in prison outside of Boston. And my stepfather had already been an inmate there. And my younger brother would eventually be a prisoner there multiple times. and after I played ice hockey and football in college and then when I got out of school and moved to New York was working in a pharmaceutical sales job

and was training at a local gym playing men's league pickup hockey and I met a guy who was at the at the Chelsea Pierce Men's Hockey League who was a trader, a commodities trader named Mike Peltier, who unfortunately died in 9-11. And he was a commodities trader. And he's like, hey, we need a junior trader. And I had seen all these kids at the gym where I was working out who were like making a shitload of money.

Sorry, can we swear on this show? Heck yeah. Okay. And I'll try to keep it to a minimum so my kids can watch. And I was like, man, these guys seem like idiots, but they're all making tons of money. And I'm like, broke as a joke. So anyway, when this guy said they had a role,

they were looking for a junior trader on this trading desk. I was like, hell yeah, I'll do that. And long story short, I started there in about, you know, two months in, they were basically hazing me. If anyone's worked on a trading desk, it's very much like being on a sports team. And the older guys, the experienced guys are like hazing the junior guys. And one day, I just had had enough of it. And I slapped a guy across his face, which it was crazy to me that they were even trying to haze and bully me.

I like box for the New York Athletic Club at the time. I practically had a black guy for like three straight years. I worked in a prison. And no one would have described me as a pushover. I mean, I didn't think of myself as a tough guy, but I certainly wasn't someone that was getting picked on regularly. And yeah, this guy was hazing, like just giving me tons of shit. And eventually I just had enough and slapped the shit out of him.

And they, needless to say, they fired me on the spot. But when some of the senior traders at Enron heard that story, they called me up. And this was a Thursday. By Monday, I had a job making twice as I was making 40 grand. By Monday, I had a job making 80 grand on a competing trading desk. which I didn't even know we had competitors at the time. That's how naive I was.

And then very quickly, I was making hundreds of thousands of dollars. I got hired to run this commodity sales and trading desk in London for Canter Fitzgerald, moved to London. Right before I moved, I had an ankle surgery, got some percassette. And for the next 10 years, I was basically high on opioids 24-7 and just living as a functioning drug addict and behaving like an absolute loser. But in my heart, I was like, man, I'm not a loser, but I'm behaving like a loser. So then eventually I got married.

My wife and I adopted a daughter from Ethiopia. And right before we went together, I was like, I have got to get sober once and for all. And it's a long story. It's all outlined in the book. But I got sober for hellacious, like two weeks of my life. And then started running and started doing triathlons initially. I did the Iron Man in Hawaii three times. And I started running and showing up to running races and like everything else.

like with the finance stuff. I was looking around at the other people running and just being like, dude, I can smash everyone here if I just train hard. And I did. I started training super hard. I moved to L.A. in 2016 was living in the Pacific Palisades, which is where I met Horowitz, who just happens to be from Boston as well. And I was training up in the mountains there. I met Reggie Miller. He was always right. We were the only two people out in the mountains in the trails every morning I'd see him. He'd be riding his mountain bike. I'd be running. We'd be side by side going up these steep trails and we just started talking, struck up a friendship. He wrote a beautiful blurb for my book. Then I won the Malibu half marathon a couple years in a row. And then in 2020, I did the

Pasadena half marathon and like 8,000 people finished in the Rose Bowl on KTLA, live on TV. And I won. I beat everyone, 9,000 people. So I'm running into the Rose Bowl. And I'm like literally like, holy shit, I'm going to fucking win this race. And after that, I started to get some attention. Then a few months later, the day before I turned 50, I won the Myrtle Beach Marathon, the whole thing, I ran 2.30 there. And yeah, and then I won four of the six World Marathon majors. I won Boston, New York, Chicago, and Tokyo, and I got second in Berlin and London. And Chicago in 23 was the world championships for age group. So I beat everyone in the world over 50.

I want to circle back to some of the beginning. But to me, Reggie Miller, he looks the exact. same physically as he did when he was playing MJ in the Easter conference final. I mean, as he hasn't gained a pound, his skin, he looks fantastic. I think I googled it because he was on TV calling like the NBA finals or the conference finals a couple years ago. I'm like, he's got to be the best looking like 57 year old and like the history of America. He looks fantastic for his age.

Let me tell you something. That guy is a cardio freak. He's like winning races on his mountain bikes. And if you know anything about race in a mountain bike, it's super, super technical. but you also need to be incredibly fit. He would be out there grinding. Like, I thought I was, like, people were looking at me like I was crazy. And when I saw him one day, I'm like, hey, what's up, champ?

And he had seen me a million times and we just hit it off. And I asked him to write it. I mean, I felt like an ass ask. I hate asking people for anything, but asking him to write a quote, he was like, oh, be my honor. He wrote the most incredible quote for my poor goose. He's just, not only is he, like, look like he's 17 years old. He's the nicest guy I've ever met.

Just couldn't be kinder. I've never been I've actually never been to Boston but I lived in Philly for a couple years and I think there's some parallels of there there's like a toughness and a character to you guys that grow up there and I think we were talking about this

before you hopped on there are so many successful people definitely in what we do you know of there's like this toughness that you guys have growing up in that area but there's also like an EQ like a feel for people that you know

when you talk for some I'm from California you sound like a guy that I hear in the movies, right? That accent. It's very distinct. It's like, you know, Whitey Bulger meets with Wahlberg. It's just, but there's like, you can throw you guys in a room and you could hang with, like, you worked at a prison, but you could also hang with these guys that are CEOs, multi-millionaires.

Is that just something developed where you kind of, especially maybe it's different now, I'm sure that area has changed, but when you were growing up the 70s, the 80, it's just a, it's a tough area. And it just, what do you think is about the general area in Boston that develop so many people that go on to be successful in the real world? You know, that's a good question. I think of my own story more as a survival story than someone who's thriving. I was just like trying to figure shit out. It's like I think a lot of times you meet.

I had a boxing match for the New York Athletic Club one time and I was on one side of the curtain woman up. And the other guy was on the other side with his coach. And he was like, don't let that guy's accent intimidate you. And I'm thinking to myself, my accent is intimidating someone. Like I was oblivious to that someone would think that that sounds tough, that I sounded tough because in my heart, I'm like, like everyone else, I'm scared of everything. I'm scared before a race.

I just, like I tell my kids, one of my sons playing baseball. And every time they throw the pitch, he's like, he's like 10. He steps out of the batters box. And I go, buddy, every time the guy throws the ball, you're stepping out of the box. It looks like you're scared. And he goes, I am. And I was like, oh, okay. everyone's scared, dude.

You just have to learn how to do this shit while you're scared. And I think that if I've done anything well, it's learned to do things scared. But about your question from Boston, I just feel like when you're in like a kind of economically depressed area, and I didn't know any friends that were rich or that were doing really well that didn't constantly think about money that the parents weren't always like, you know,

thinking about money and trying to make money. People are so insecure. They're constant like, razzing and bullshit and then you just learn to get a thick skin quick because if you don't, you won't survive. Sometimes even with my own kids, I'll be teasing them and my wife's like, I think you're a little too hard on them. And it's because everyone else they're around is so soft that I've got to like adjust

my own behavior to kind of match the people that I'm around now. But it's like after you condition like that and especially working in a prison, man, there is not a single nice thing happen in prison. Every single person in there is trying to beat you 24-7 and you're only there eight hours a day. So you learn very quickly to like read people or you're going to have a bad experience. And so I don't know. I don't think of myself as having any special skills. But I certainly have a higher emotional intelligence than intellect. You worked in prison when you were in college. I started there the few days after I graduated high school. I probably looked like I was 13 years old.

Were you, you know, you talk about your son stepping out of the battle? I did the same. I was never great in baseball. But I mean, did you go in there a little nervous? I mean, was that one of those situations? Did you go with a hit on a swivel on a daily basis? Was it like a maximum security prison? Yeah, there were sections of it that were maximum security and others. They were lower. It's like any prison.

There's different facilities within the institution. You know, I was probably a little bit nervous. But when you grow up with these people, like I knew half the people there. Like the first day I walked in, this giant guy from the projects right near where I live, Barry Hills, like a big Irish gangster, like a killer. It was in there for smashing someone in the head with the claw end of a hammer. He comes running over, grabs me like in a fireman's carry, like a child, and is running around with me in the ball field.

I'm in like in a prison guard uniform, and I'm like, brother, put me down. The only thing I cared about, I'm like, dude, the other guards are looking at me. They're going to like, I don't want them to think like I'm at this tight with the inmates. Come to find out, like Mickey Ward, the fighter was a guard with me there. And his brother, Dickie Ecklin was an inmate. Like all of the guards were like one, one mistake away from being inmates themselves. This wasn't like, you know, the highest form of law enforcement. Matter of fact, it might have been the lowest.

When you grew up in Boston, kind of the mob, probably 80s, 90s, was kind of coming to an end. Still probably when you were young, still ripping and kind of came to an end. I was very much in full effect. Like, Howie Winter lives right near me that where the whole Winter Hill gang hung out at the garage on Marshall Street. My cousin lived right across the street from there. They were like, they were like my siblings. Like we spent all the time. But they were,

those guys were always around. But it was like, you know, it's like any mob movie you see like, from a kid's perspective, they were just cool older guys that were there. They're like, you know, give you a shit all the time.

They were like, we were oblivious to like the violence that was going on too. We got older, obviously. And then it was starting to calm down when I was like in my 20s and then started like when I was start, when I went to college, I did Coke for the first time.

And then for like five years, my friends, my Boston friends and I were just on a tear of like go out, drink, do coke. When I moved to New York, as a matter of fact, I said to that kid Peltier who got me the first job, we were out one night, I said, dude, I've been here for like a few months. I've not seen one single fight in a bar, not one. If I went out with my friends in Boston, it would be a very rare occasion that there wasn't a fight.

Either with the guys I was with, I wasn't like a huge troublemaker, but some of the people I was with were half of them ended up being inmates in that same prison. but it was just an aggressive, like, an aggressive place. And I'm just glad my kids aren't living in that environment. I was in a, I went to this like kind of inpatient mental health place a few years ago just because I wanted to like be happier than I was. And when I was telling the woman, she was like, oh, childhood trauma. I'm like, I don't have any trauma.

I just think I should be happier. And I stopped telling her like my childhood. And she was like, well, what would you say if any of your children had to go? through any of this. And I was like, are you crazy? They could never survive this. And she was like, what do you think made you special? You just said you like just as scared as everyone else. And I was like, I don't know, it kind of put things into perspective for me that like, yeah, maybe it was a little effed up. But when you're going through it, you don't know any different. No, you don't. You just grow up the way you grow up. You don't control anything. And, you know,

I was, I just had a baby. So when I'm doing, when I'm taking some duties and she's sleeping, you know, you just have TV on the background. I threw on Wolf of Wall Street a couple of weeks ago. I've thought about this for a long time. How can people, and you got into finance right in the 90s, and it feels like the drug, the drug culture in Wall Street was just raging. How can you function in work? And is it as, you know, that movie obviously Hollywoodizes it, but it's fair to say, listen to your story and watching some of your talks about it. Like it was, you weren't alone in what was going on. How do you function? Like, how do you go to meetings? How do you land deals? I mean, How was everyone doing that?

Wolf of Wall Street was like they were covering retail client. They were calling like mom and pops. I was like an institutional trader. So we were trading with like banks and initially like Enron and big utilities. I never told anyone I was doing drugs. So in my mind, I was day people probably just thought that I was a little crazy and aggressive. But to me, you know, I would take like Perkocet's Viking and fentanyl and just feel good. I mean, I'm sure people are probably like, this guy's a fucking weirdo.

But to me, I was like on cloud nine. I was just happy as can be. And then, of course, I would get high in the morning, take them again at lunchtime. And then after dinner, you know, like 30, 40 percocets a day. And, man, it was New York. It was less obvious. When I went to London, I mean, I was in bad shape, but the people there were even worse. There were people go into the bathroom, come out, cocaine all over their nose.

and guys will work because I ran the whole commodities trading desk that was like 30 or 40 guys that worked for me and they'd come back to the desk and I'm like dude did you even look in the mirror? You have coke all over your face and they were like oh sorry sorry boss I come in in the morning there'd be someone sleeping under the trading desk it was it was complete chaos madness

Is it just a culture of finance I mean it just kind of went hand in hand as safe to say Especially I think a lot of the same shit goes on today It's just like maybe I think that there's such like health and wellness kick too that you get one extreme or the other you get the guys that are like overweight doing coke and then you get the like hardcore like fitness finance bros that are super into health and wellness um you know you probably get much more of those high performers at like goldman Morgan Stanley JPMorgan like the big banks and then you've got those like kind of shitty

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which is always like the push and pull. It's like, well, I'm living the American dream. Look at me. But internally, my life is just, if people knew what was really going on when the doors are shut, no one's looking, they would be like, what is going on with this guy? Yes. When was the moment? Like was there, was there a specific day?

Was there a specific, you know, drug use point? So I always stayed super, like I always exercised and was fit. So I never looked a mess. And I mean, and when I moved to London, I was making millions of dollars. I had a brand new Porsche straight from the Porsche factory. I had a whole entire like three-story house in that right in the middle of London in Kensington with a garage. Like it was unheard, like crazy. Unheard of the top floor.

The whole floor was glass. You could look down into the living room from the bedroom upstairs. It was unbelievable. And you're in your 30s at this time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, less than a year before I was making $40,000, they couldn't even afford to pay all my student loans and everything else. And now I have, like, money to burn.

I was flying on the Concord back and forth from London to New York, 10,000 each way. This is in like 2000. And then I met my wife. And for a long time, I was just hit everything from her. And she had never done drugs in her life, grew up on a farm in New Jersey, to Vanderbilt was like just perfect family. Everything was like she was totally square, had no idea. And then eventually she kind of figured out.

But when we were going to a dog, when we got matched with my daughter in Ethiopia, we were going to go travel to Ethiopia. We had like a month to get ready. I went to an outpatient detox where they give you like medicine to help with the withdrawal. So I would have like riddle in to stay awake, Xanax to go to sleep. And I mean, I was sick, like real sick. And I woke up to go to the bathroom one night, like three nights into it. And by the way, once I got to seven days clean without the drugs, they could give me this shot

called Vivitrol, which would block the opioid receptors in your brain. So you couldn't get high for a month, even if you tried. So in my mind, I'm like, if I can just get to seven days, I don't even have to tell her why I'm so sick, and I'll be clear. And then I can go to Ethiopia, and then I'll have some time, some sobriety, and I'll be good. Like three or four days into it, I got up to take a leak, lacked out in the bathroom, fell down, smashed my head, woke up, My wife is like, what the F? What is going on? And I, this is like a big pivotal moment in the book too, because I'm like looking at her. And then we lived in like a stunning like brand new glass high rise on like 45th floor in Manhattan.

And then I'm laying on the floor just so disgusted with myself. Because like I said, I never thought of myself as such a piece of shit loser. But that's what I was. And I'm looking at her and I'm looking at the balcony and I'm like, I'm either going to tell her the truth or jump off that balcony. And I just, I just like came clean with everything. I'm like, I'm a fucking junkie. I'm whacked out. I'm in withdrawals.

And it was horrible. Sorry. It gets me, uh, it gets me choked up talking about it because like I said, I don't think of myself as a piece of shit. But I was behaving like a weakling and a pussy. And it just came to a head. And that was the last time that I like really got that fucking whacked out. But being honest with her,

the best thing you ever did, then you were able to pivot into... Yeah, and then once I told her the truth, and then instead of being completely enraged with me, she just helped me through it and, like, you know, became like the fucking police. I put her in a terrible position. And it's been terrible because then, like, a few months ago, she was diagnosed with cancer,

so it's been... It's been a roller coaster, man, for sure. How she's always been stuck with me, no matter how much crazy shit I've done. How's she doing? Yeah, she's great. She's cancer free now and ready for a reconstructive surgery. I told her a silver lining, you'll end up with nice new boobs and no cancer. You'll come out of it like a cancer survivor with a new set of cans.

Everybody wins. Yeah, my mom beat breast cancer in the early 2000s. So, I mean, these doctors now are pretty amazing with that stuff. It's been unbelievable. I mean, from the minute they diagnosed her until they did the surgery, it was like, it felt like a whirlwind. It was like, you know, when something like you never think something. like that's going to happen to you. We would always say to each other, like, can you, I'm so, we're so lucky. The kids are healthy. We're lucky. We're living in Nashville and everything that we

always talked about is happening. And then she gets cancer. And it was like, you know, when you hear someone gets cancer and they're 50, I'm like, oh my God, it's a death sentence. We're screwed. And we have four little kids. And the doctors were amazing. We went in for the first appointment. They're like, all right, here's what we're going to do. You're going to do this appointment, then go for surgery. Then they're going to do this. Then you'll get the reconstruction. instruction, it'll be great. And that's exactly what happened. Wow. Damn. That's, that's, I'm, well, I'm glad she's doing well. When you, before you pivoted to the ultra marathon, did you have to remove yourself from finance, like remove yourself from the culture to get sober? Were you able to kind of do both? Dude, when I, when I was going through that week of withdrawals, that's when I started like this tradition of running, uh, or this habit of running 10 miles every day. It was part penance for putting myself. in this position in part like I want to expedite this process of getting the drugs out of my

system I'm just going to run and you know there would be days where I'm like I'm going to drop dead I feel so terrible but I'm going to keep running I'm like you know it was like 30 degrees outside but I'm like drenched in sweat in shorts and a t-shirt because my body is just in complete chaos after 10 years of abuse but once I got once I got and I just kept working I never told anyone I mean I'm sure other people that worked with me are hearing like these stories now and I like I knew something was wrong with that guy. But yeah, and then and then from there I started, I was running so much that my, my knees would bother me. I got a bike as soon as I rode the bike a few times, like, within a couple years, I was racing on a team with Lance Armstrong, training with the best

athletes in the world and just crushing like the cycling scene. A guy from my office. A guy from my office was like talking about, you know, cyclists like runners and anything else. Like they can like golfers, whatever. They can be such dorks. And they're like, oh, I'm the best cyclist. I'm so good at this. I showed up one time with a sleeveless t-shirt and shorts. I had a bike for like two weeks to kick the shit out of all of them. And I'm like, wow, I'm either really good at cycling.

Oh, you guys suck. How can I be, like, you guys have like the full, like, clown suit on and I have shorts and a t-shirt. Eventually, I would be completely dressed like a clown too and like full lycra. But when did you realize that the ultra marathon, like, I'm, this isn't just going to be what I do. every day. I'm going to be competitive in this. How do that kind of get going? Good question. So I was doing the triathlon. I did a few triathlons, you know, got trounced a couple times and was like, how are these guys beating me? Like, these guys shouldn't be able to beat me in anything. So I started really training hard and I started to win like small races all around Manhattan. And then I was like, well,

what's the best triathlon in the world? Like everything else that I've done, I'm like, well, if I've got this car, what's the best car? So I did the same thing. And so I was like, oh, the Ironman in Hawaii, but you got to really train for that. It's not easy to qualify. And I was like, for some people, maybe. And I just, I did a couple races qualified at the Iron Man in New York City, did that. And then when we, we had our fourth kid with three biological boys. When we moved to LA in January of 16, my wife was like, enough with this triathlon bullshit, because I was riding my bike for like eight hours on a Saturday, running for three hours on Sunday. It was way too much and it was super selfish.

And so I just transitioned to running. And that's really when I started running, like very quickly started to get a lot of attention from brands in particular. So I had like a partnership for years with Reebok. They didn't have any runners except me and like Shaq. Well, there are two athletes. And it was just crazy. It was like it almost happened overnight.

And quickly I transitioned out of finance. I was working for an asset manager in L.A., raising a bunch of money. And once I raise some money for this asset manager, I realized I can do this on my own. And I did as an independent placement agent. I raised money for a ton of different venture funds, private equity funds, as well as private brands, like private placements into health and wellness startups. And through that in the running, I started to get these brand partnerships via social media that I didn't even know was a thing.

And I had done so many of them. And I had worked closely with the brands on the finance side that they started asking me who else they should be working with. And just quickly, I started representing some of the best and biggest scientists, doctors and thought leaders in the health and wellness space. So like Andrew Huberman, if you know the Huberman, it's one of my really good friends. We've done some things together. I raised money for this guy, David Sinclair in Boston. He wrote a book called Lifespan, one of the top longevity scientists in the world. So we have a whole roster of people at Rideout.org group that I manage all their brand deals, me and the people that I work with. And, uh,

this whole running thing, it like took on a life of its own. And it was like, you know, it's like when people tell you like, do something that you love and you'll never work a day in your life again. That's the truth. If you can figure out a way to get paid to do the things that you love doing, not that I love running every day, it can be just as hard for me as it is for everyone else. Just hopefully if you do it enough, you get faster.

But it's been like a dream come true. Getting paid to like run and represent health and wellness brands. It's crazy to think of where I was, you know, 15 years ago. Do you run 10 miles legitimately every day? Like you're never taking it. Yeah, and I log every single mile is logged on Strava. I don't know if you know that app Strava.

Yeah, I know it. Every single run I've done since 2013 is there. I've averaged like 4,000 miles a year for the past five years, which is 10.6 miles a day every single day with no days off. Would all be outside? 99.9%. So when I run into you at the Super Bowl, Are you just going for a Bay Area run that morning?

Like, no matter, because you're, I'm sure you're traveling for work and stuff. What do you, what about the weather? What if it's raining or freezing? Every day, every day. Fucking tornado, hurricane, snowstorm, every single day. Because it ain't warm where you live. No. So what did you do during the snowstorm or the ice storm?

I'll show you, I'll show you a picture that will, like, perfectly summarize what that snowstorm was like here. Give me one second. You're going to like this. someone was telling me a story that they lived there and they said the thing oh my god 15 miles pouring rain and snow and like 10 degrees outside

I thought that one of the coldest runs you've ever been on no I've been on some cold ones man I've been on I've run everywhere in the world I've run almost in every single country like almost of them on every continent I've run in some cold places like we take the kids skiing I run 10 miles up the side of the mountain in Aspen I've been I've run some really cold ones like well below zero just have so yeah yeah so what would you say as a more i know you ran a race

in mongolia yeah would you say the peak of the the hottest places in the world or a freezing cold below zero run what's one's more difficult miles the the heat is miles harder than the cold within within reason i mean if it's fucking minus 50 i don't know like but running in the heat your body uses about 80% of the energy it's burning is trying to cool your body down just like a car engine if the if the engine can't be cooled it's going to overheat and stop working and when it's real hot like my any runner that you look at their best times will always be run when it's slightly colder outside so like my fastest times were run when it was like 40 degrees and I had on like shorts and a tank top that's the ideal running condition you would say 40 50 degrees for sure like about 40 mid 40s is ideal

like you want to be you want to be freezing cold at the beginning because by the end you're not going to be cold um but yeah the race in mongolia about a month before the race started i think it was in um 2023 about a month before the race guy from um this guy scott daru who was the CEO at equinox he's now the ceo at iron man he's a friend and he called me and said he's running this race called the gobi march across the gobi desert in mongolia asked if i would um join if for some advice and i was like, oh, wow, this race sounds interesting. I had never run an ultra. I never run with a backpack. I grew up in the city. I had never been camping in my life. And I was like, dude, that race sounds interesting. I bet you I could smash everyone, just kind of clowning around. And he was like,

come on, sign up. I'll get Equinox to sponsor you. So he did. When I wrote the race director, it was sold out for like well over a year. And she was like, yeah, we will, we'll comp your entry. And I showed up there. So for a month, I tried a bunch of different backpacks, put like towels and bottled water inside the backpack in June in Nashville, I would finish and be down like 10 pounds from a 20 mile run with this weighted 20 pound backpack because that's how much weight I was carrying because it was self-supported, meaning you had to carry everything you needed except water and they would provide a tent. So I had my backpack, a change of clothes. You had to have mandatory certain safety items like a whistle of one of those aluminum blanket things, like just some safety

bullshit, you know, insurance stuff for them. And then your food. So for a week. So I'm burning like 10,000 calories a day, but I only had 2,500 calories spaced out per day. And of course, you know, after three days, I probably ate most of the food. But what I had planned on and I did, I had never done this race. So I wasn't sure how it would work. But I assumed people would be dropping out and I'd be able to scavenge for stuff and just survive, which is what happened. And first day I got the shit kicked out of me and I was like, oh my God, I finished fourth. And I was like, oh my God, in my mind, I'm like, I'm killing everyone. And now I'm like, I'm like 12 minutes down after the first day, which was 21 miles. The next day was 28 miles and it's a long story. But I won that stage

by like 10 minutes. So I was still two minutes down. But with a few miles ago, I fell down the back, the strap on my backpack ripped off and I busted my arm open so I'm bleeding everywhere. And my bag is ripped. And I'm thinking like, oh my God, no one's going to believe my bag really ripped. They're going to think I like quit on this race. So I like jerry rigged it together for the third day. It ripped again the third day. But after the third day, a woman dropped out and she let me take her backpack. So I had this ill-fitting backpack that like friggin rubbed my whole body raw like I had just chafing everywhere. And on the fourth day, it was 50 miles. I was down by about eight minutes. And with the leader, a Swiss guy, this adventure race, a really strong athlete. And it was just him and I

together 50 miles and 35 miles in, he started to fall apart. And he was like, man, I got to walk for a minute. And, you know, we're alone and we're in the desert. So I'm like, all right, I'll walk with you for a minute. You know, we're racing, but I still like, we're all like, it's dangerous. It's 50 mile day. We've been out already for like seven hours and it's hot. So then he's out of water. So I'm giving him, we could get water every like five to 10 miles. But you, you know, you could take as much as you want, but you have to carry it. So, you know, you've got just enough to get to the next station. So I'm giving in my water, you know, hoping that he's, you know, hoping that he's, you know, doesn't like friggin pass out and eventually first aid came by but once they came by the trucks and

they gave him like you know started like taking care of him I took off and I beat everyone that day by 90 minutes and then there was only two more stages and I just went on to win the whole thing and so I end up winning the whole race by 90 minutes and that race has been called the toughest race in the world and uh but yeah it was the first time I ever ran more than a marathon and it was basically like the equivalent of a marathon every day for five days with a 50 miler mixed in What type heat are we talking about? You know, we get up to like 100 during the day. And not like crazy, like crazy heat, but it's hard enough for someone to die.

Someone died. Yeah, they had to like be taken out with a camel. So are, do you run the whole thing on one pair of shoes or do you bring multiple pair of shoes? Yeah, no, no. I wore one pair of shoes. And then like shorts and shirts and stuff. Are you going through a new stuff every day? No, I had, I had one extra of everything.

So for the first four days, I wore the same one. So when we get back, and the race organizers was like, listen, don't waste the water taking showers or washing your clothes because we only have so much. Of course, after the second day, I'm like, fuck all this. Give me that bottle of water. And I started, like, washing my clothes inside one of the water bottles that I had. And then I had an Italian guy hold the water over my head while I tried to take a shower. So after four days, I shick canned one set of clothes wore the next set.

And I had like three pairs of socks that I tried to space out. But once I wore them, my bag was getting lighter because the food was going down. Yeah. The clothes were going down. But, you know, you had to have certain things like a raincoat, a down jacket, gloves, because it would get cold. That's the other thing. It would get hot during the day, but it would be freezing at night.

And you're just in a tent. It's not like you got much with you. To the tent, one day when we're standing at the day before the 50-mile stage, I get into the thing. And there's only a, you know, because one of the luxuries of finishing first as you get there and you can get all your shit set up before anyone else gets back so you can take the best spot and I'm standing there and all of a sudden like a big squall comes through and I look outside of the tent and the tent is like rattling. I look out and like three or four of the tents get

picked up and like chucked out into the desert like a half a mile like they just launched into the air and I was like holy shit so obviously I got out of the tent and went and stood near the trucks hoping that at my tent wouldn't fly away but it was like that every day. Just crazy shit every single day. Once you're done, I mean you say you run to 10 miles a day. Do you take a couple days off to like recover your body after a situation like that? No, I usually do like active recovery, meaning like the best way to recover from that stuff is to jog a little bit the next day. So that race finished on Saturday, I flew home on a Sunday. So before I went and got on this like 17 hour flight, I just jogged around in Ulan Batar in

the capital of Mongolia for like three or four miles. For the lactic acid, it doesn't build up and then you wouldn't even move. It sounds crazy, but it definitely helps if you don't. I mean, even the marathon winners, they'll run after their marathons over. They'll jog to cool down. They'll run the next day. Not hard, just super easy, but you just got to like keep the body moving. Well, I think obviously everything you just said serves as an inspirational story for anyone, you know, going through their own personal demons. Thank you, brother. You know, because if you are going through your personal demons, especially through addiction,

if you put the addiction to the right place, you really can get going in the right direction, whether that's working out or, you know, in some semblance. of a healthy lifestyle. And, you know, your book, the other side of hard, you said that comes out March 10th. You can order anywhere, books are sold. Yep, here it is. March 10th, everything you want is on the other side of hard. And I wrote the book, really, for anyone that's like thinking of making a change in their life,

whether you're trying to get sober, thinking about a career change, taking on some physical challenges, starting a family. This book will tell you exactly how I did all of that. And as you can see, looking at me, I've got no special skill sets. I have no natural talent, but I do have incredible willpower and grit, and that's really all you need. We live in the greatest country on earth. You can do anything you want here.

Where'd you run this morning? Just here in Nashville, round my normal route. And now I've been here for like four or five years. So every morning when I run, it's literally like I feel like the local celebrity. Every single car as they're driving the kids to school beep. And I coached the local high school cross country team. I helped coach them. I was like the assistant coach and the girls.

won the state title, went to the nationals. They were unbelievable. They just destroyed everybody. And so, like, everyone, when I'm riding now, all the cars, coach can, coach can. And I tell my, I'm like, it's the happiest time of my life now. Like, the happiest part of my day is, like, outrunning what used to be like a suffer fest. And now I'm like, it's become a massive source of pride.

That's awesome. You probably got a smile on your face, too, because that ice storm's long gone. You probably got some good weather. Oh, the Iowa was crazy because it pissed down rain for, like, 24 hours. And then it was like no shit like 15 degrees. So all the trees froze and they all like tons of trees were down. Lots of people in Nashville lost power. It was it was it was no joke.

I'd never been in a storm like that in Boston. A ton of snow you can handle. But when everything was covered in ice, it was like literally the trees were like all bent over. And I was like, oh, I don't want to spend money replacing trees. Yeah, at the volume party, Bob, who is one of the main sales guys at Iheart was telling. He's born and raised in Chicago. and has lived in Nashville forever. I said, how did that storm compare

to anything that you grew up? He said, it ain't even close. This ice storm was by far the craziest thing he'd ever seen because of what you said. The weight on these trees, it was, he's like, I pulled up to a stoplight the day after. I just went through it because I was afraid. These trees, they were just coming down.

So as a runner, you're running these areas, you had to be pretty careful. Well, you're heading on a swivel kind of when you're moving, right? That was one of the days that I didn't run outside was the day after that storm. I couldn't get out of my driveway. When I tell you everything was coated in ice and not like a little like maybe there's a spot here. I'm talking like a quarter inch of ice on everything.

The cars, the fucking power lines. And then the vice was falling down off the power lines. And then when I could get outside and the sun came out, it was like 10 degrees. So there was one main road in front of my house. The only good thing is there were no cars out because it would be very hard to get your car out of the driveway. So I was just running up and down in the middle of this like huge street. And there was no one there like a car every 20 or 30. minute so I ran back and forth on this like three miles trip I'm sure my neighbors well I thought

I was crazy but I was out there getting it done well can I appreciate you coming on you're an inspiration I'm gonna go put my running shoes on and go for a little jog around the neighborhood so I really appreciate you and your story is uh like I said very inspirational and keep keep crushing and good luck in your next race well thank you for having me I really appreciate it and thanks to our man Jamie Horowitz for connecting us I uh sincerely man I appreciate you sharing your platform with me know that it's not a decision that you make lightly. And I can't thank you enough. And I will get your address from Jamie and we'll be happy to send you a signed copy of the book. And I hope that you enjoy it. And I appreciate you allowing me to share my story with your life. No problem.

My wife and I got married in Nashville. So I absolutely love that place. And if I'm ever out there, I'll get your contact information. We'll link up. You've got a place to stay if you ever come to now. Thank you. In golf, you're in luck because I'm the worst golfer in the world. I live on a cool course and always happy to get embarrassed myself with friends. Okay, talk to you soon, man. Have a great day. Thank you, man.

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Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential. title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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and get your questions answered here on the show. Let's start with Nick. Huge fan, daily listener. Why isn't the 08 Steelers defense viewed as one of the best defenses of the 2000s? They showed their stats at the Super Bowl, and it seemed amazing, similar to LLB and the Ravens. I think sometimes teams just get lost. I think anyone that knows the best Steelers teams

you know, with Tomlin and that Cowher kind of run, their defenses were elite. I mean, when Tomlin first got there, and they had like James Harrison, Woodley, Paul Amaloo, I think Ike Taylor was one of the corners. Brett Kiesel, was that the defensive lineman to do with the big beard?

They were Casey Hampton. Was he on the team? They were awesome. James Harrison was a monster. Philly seemed like a really, crazy place to work. What this also asked another question. What are some of the craziest things that happened when you work

there? What does Big Dom do? He was at the Senior Bowl. I had multiple people reach out like what is Big Dom doing at the Senior Bowl? Guys, he travels with Siriani and Howie. Like he's bodyguard meets you know, he's a part of the personnel department in terms of he's doing research on these guys. You know, when they're talking character,

especially off-the-field major question marks, he's a big part of that. So James Pierce, when you find out after the fact, like he gets in trouble and got the details to keep coming out, it looks bad, that he was off draft boards. Well, when you have guys who are like, should this guy or should this guy not be on draft boards, Dom is working the folks.

Like, I mean, he just knows people, they know him, and he's an elite information, He also does stuff with their players. Like, it's hard to really describe his role. I'm sure some of you, if you work in certain companies, you have an individual. It's like, what does he do? He kind of just does everything.

You know, he's a different version of this. But remember Pink Stripes? What was it, Ernie Adams for Belichick? It's like, well, what did he do? It's like, a little bit of everything. He was just always around. And again, Ernie was more from like a schematic game plan standpoint. the dude that Vrable has stretch, they call him,

who's just kind of behind the scenes doing shit. All these teams have a guy that just do some things that no one can really put their finger on. It's like, I know what the GM does, I know what the scouts do, I know what the coaches do, what's this guy do? Stuff that's important. And the team knows. So it's, I think part of working in football in the NFL,

especially in certain cities, just an intense environment. You know, you're working long hours. It's a public job. I mean, no one knew who I was when I was there, but just people are talking about, you turn on the radio, it's just a really, really intense environment that was awesome that I got to experience it,

but I've never looked back since I got in this career. So I'm glad I did. It helped catapult me to where I'm at, but nothing like I'm trying to think of crazy things that happened. It's just a crazy daily, a lot of edginess. A lot of people mad at each other. A lot of tired people.

It's just people are on edge. We didn't, by the time I got there, Michael Vicks first year, when he almost won the MVP, and then the next couple years weren't good. So it's not like I'm a Super Bowl champion or anything. My friends are. A lot of people I work with are.

Hey, John, when do you think Lamar falls off a cliff like Russell Wilson? We saw this year how he's not as mobile, and he's not as good. Mobile quarterbacks never can convert into quarterbacks from the pocket. I'm hammering the Ravens under wins next year. That's not true. Steve Young did.

Steve Young turned in to a very accurate pocket passer. I think Lamar, as a passer, consistent passer from the pocket is way better than Russell Wilson was. Obviously, his scrambling was more dynamic and their playmaking was both elite. To me, Lamar Jackson is to higher level version of Russell Wilson. Right? I mean, Russell Wilson, like, didn't

I don't think he ever got an MVP vote. So I think Lamar, I think these next couple years are pretty critical. Like he's not going to be running around at 36 like he's able to do now in theory. Now, this year was banged up. Are these injuries going to last? You know, he took that. I don't want to say it was innocuous because in football, even when you get hit, and it doesn't look as bad, it still probably hurts.

The hit he got hit in the back and he just got to be much more. I think he's always been pretty instinctive when he runs. and not take big hits, but sometimes they run them between the tackles. Like, I think we're kind of scrapping that. Like, no more taking unnecessary hits with this guy. But I don't see a precipitous just one day he's just falling off a cliff. I think it would probably be more gradual and injuries would play a bigger role. But if he's healthy like Russell was, I think he would be a good player.

Excellent player. I mean, you saw in that play in that technically it was a playoff game, them against Steelers Week 18 Sunday Night Football. He made some incredible plays in that game. I mean, incredible place. I got scolded for quote-unquote babysitting my own kids. Now they're 8 and 6. In your case, they are a baby and they sit.

So keep saying, keep saying it. I agree. I babysit every morning. My role. In my home, like my tasks, we consider my Mahomes. I say it's my Mahomes to grab the trash or whatever because years ago we tried to, I was like joking with her. We all have roles in the home.

Like, you do stuff better than me. I do stuff better than her. And I think the Chiefs game was on. It's like there are certain things the Chiefs depend on Mahomes to do. So when I have to do something, you know, like my roles in the home, which, you know, pay the mortgage. That's my Mahomes. Take out the trash. My Mahomes.

Carry, take care, babysit my child, usually early in the morning because she stays up late from like six to ten. 10, 11 over the last couple weeks. And no big deal. Just doing what a father should do. Half serious question. Do you think Mike McDonald, if Mike McDonald said to himself, I'm done hiring offensive coordinators, I'm going to call the offensive plays.

He could make the transition successful. No. He's gotten his doctorate in football on the defensive side of the ball. going back to Georgia through the Ravens. He's a defensive coach, and he's calling the defensive place. So you could not call the offense and the defensive plays.

I think he'd be the first to say, too, like, they hire Kubiak, they run that offense. Kubiak knows that offense 50 times better than he does. I'm sure Mike learned it and had a pretty good understanding of it, but I don't think it would be feasible. I don't. I've heard players, you know,

are certain coaches that probably could, but you couldn't call the offense and defensive side of the ball and manage the game. I just don't think you have the mental capacity stamina to do it over a 17-week season to game plan. How do you go to both meetings to game plan if you're calling the offense and the defense? It'd be a lot. I don't even know if he'd capable of it from a schematic standpoint,

an understanding standpoint, but from a functionality standpoint, I think it'd be impossible. Do you see the Rams moving off Puka? There seems to be some red flags with his recent off-the-field antics. And the Rams may get ahead of it by before paying top dollar for him. Can use the 13th pick in the draft to replace him. To think that you can find a player in the draft 75% as good as him, I think any GM or scout would tell you.

That's, you are keeping your fingers. cross and kind of pits into the wind. This could be a nightmare. So are there some things that you go? Yeah, come on, Puka. Are you mature enough to handle this? Are you a guy that we go all in on? I mean, at the Super Bowl when I was talking to Justin Jefferson,

you know, I followed Justin Jefferson from afar. He's just a positive, upbeat, high-level energy guy. You just feel pretty good of like, this is a high-level cat. You don't really have to worry about him. You know, part of the thing with Puka is like, yeah, he's a young player. into stardom, about to get big money. But here's the key.

He is elite. So if you can pay him and get three more years of this version in which you've got the last couple years, you don't really have a choice. Now, would I entertain trading him? Like, what can you get? He's not good enough where you don't have a conversation, right? But what is the conversation? Would someone trade me two first round picks for Puka Nakua?

And anyone that would be willing to do that, like, where are they drafting? is that like the bills or something? So I'm getting two picks in the mid-20s. Would I trade two picks in the mid-20s for this guy? How do I replace that? If I draft Player X at 13, is this guy ready to roll as a rookie? Because not everyone is.

I mean, Devante Adams, he'd be the first tell you. His first year and a half are really, really difficult. So I think it's easy to say this, but he's so good. It's very rare that you just don't see a team extend that. guy. And listen, he's got some things that clearly the Rams wish he wouldn't have done, but it's nothing that egregious. I wouldn't compare him to James Pierce.

Mailbag question. If an entire NFL coaching staff took over an eighth grade team and had a full off season to train them, do you think they could dominate against high school varsity teams? Since NFL coaches are much more advanced strategically, could their schemes in preparation help eighth graders overcome the obvious size disadvantage. I think my immediate answer, if it's a capable high school team, not like the worst high school team in America, but just a good high school team, you know, you just pick it here. Scottsdale, Arizona, Sacramento, California.

I think there would be no way. Because look at the Super Bowl. At the end of the day, what defines football? the line of scrimmage. So even if I had one eighth grader that maybe is so exceptional, he could be like a varsity wide receiver, I would not have the offensive or defensive line to block them. So if you have a bunch of kids that are 18 versus a bunch of kids that are 13,

is that the age you are in eighth grade, 13 or 14? It's, you know, in boys most, you know, he kind of hit puberty right around that age. So you really grow 14 to 15, huge gap from 15 to 18. It's not like girls who, some of them hit him 11, 12, 13 years old. So you'd be getting a lot of really underdeveloped boys against every boy in a high school varsity team that's starting would have hit puberty and be just way stronger. So you could scheme up a play or two, right, and make some cool plays. But you wouldn't be able to block them.

I don't think you'd be able to run it on them. That would be the problem. Question for the back. I didn't expect the recency bias to hit so hard. But in what world is Sam Darnold actually being taken over Jalen Hertz? They threw for the same amount of TDs in the regular season, and Darnold threw twice as many picks as Jalen. Jalen also had eight rushing touchdowns.

Take into consideration Jalen's playoff record versus Darnold. I think it's more like looking forward. You give me Jalen's interceptions. Well, he dinks and dunks a lot of the game. Like Jalen, we have to agree. and you give eight rushing touchdowns, how many of those are tush pushes at the landing scrimmage? Because his rushing willingness is clearly gone.

Because I don't think, like, the offensive coordinator, let's just stop calling runs for Jalen. Clearly he doesn't want to run anymore, which I don't blame him. I got a big contract, and I probably want another one. So I don't want to get injured running around. I want to pass. He's not a great passer.

We have to acknowledge that. Like, you watch Jalen play. He's a pretty frustrating play. Now, so Sam. But I think if you said the next five years, if the Eagles could choose, if Jalen's not going to run anymore, you give me the rushing touchdowns,

to me, will he keep running? If you told me Jalen is going to be a dual threat, he's a good player. But he's no longer a dual threat because they don't call any design runs. So I think watching Jalen this year was, he was a player that most people in the NFL would go, that's a scary trend.

Because it's not like he had nobody to, wrote it. And I know everyone thinks the offensive coordinator is the village idiot. Maybe he is. Right? I haven't seen he got hired anywhere. But hell, he might be living off that money, which I wouldn't blame him. Said it all the time. Will you pay me a million dollars? Do nothing? You think I'm going to work?

It's America, maybe. But Sam's season, like, the totality of the season was not nearly as dominant as he was last year. But in the playoffs, he was really good. He was just in complete, didn't turn the ball over.

I mean, the game he played against Matt Stafford was elite. He didn't have to do much against the 49ers. I mean, the Super Bowl, Super Bowl is okay. I think it's more about, like, is Jalen getting better? And if he's not getting any better or if he's not going to be willing to run, what type player is he going to be moving forward? Like, does he want to do the Russell Wilson?

I'm not scrambling around anymore. I want to play like Brady. That was Russell's thing. I'm a pocket quarterback. They're like, okay, champ, you're a pocket quarterback now. Then it did not go well. Like, Jalen, you're a playmaker. I don't know why anyone's offended by that anymore.

You shouldn't be offended like you're a game manager. Alex Smith made like $200 million being a game manager. Jimmy Garopalo made a ton of money being a game manager. Being a game manager is fine. Everyone's like, you can't be a game manager. What's wrong with that? You can't be a dual threat quarterback. Well, if you're a dual threat quarterback like Jalen,

who's pretty good at avoiding hits, like that's a... That's a powerful attribute to have, but he doesn't want to run anymore. To me, if Jalen does not want to run anymore, I'm out on him as a player. Not that he sucks and he's going to be out of the league, but I think there's going to be a lot more of what we witness this year than like him turning it around and being some elite. I was going to say Pro Bowl guy, but you know what I mean,

pro bowl, like a high-end starter. But I hear you. I mean, I think we're probably overreacting to Darnold winning the Super Bowl. But he's clearly a solid player now. And I think that's what Jalen is. Jalen's a solid player. They have their good days, they have their bad days. But I think we have to acknowledge

Jaylen, I need some superstar quarterback. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to our first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Hey, I'm Joe Dono. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! Please! But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice. and thoughtful solutions.

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And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing.

That man, hell get to fly. He run up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents Soccer moms. So I'm Leanne.

This is my best friend, Janet. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip, just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey With all the snacks and drink sidebar why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh they had a bogo well then you got them Do you want a white collar something here? Just take it.

What are y'all doing? Microphones are you making a rap album? I would buy it Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake That sounds delicious oh you're lucky I'm not a drug ass! You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh.

Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a diehard Browns fan, I have a hard time listening to you and Colin occasionally take jabs at Cleveland for letting Stefansky walk. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're, this is. One of the only lone soldiers out there that go, Is Tafansky good? Me and Colin are not quite on the same page on that one. I've watched every game of theirs since he became the coach.

During his last two seasons, the offense has been atrocious. I know he won coach of the year before, but I feel like that's an award for doing better than expected. You're right. Not actually accomplishing anything like making a deep playoff run. Also, since winning coach of the year in 23, the team's offensive trajectory has been downward, and he's supposed to be an offensive-minded coach.

However, the offense looks stale and uncreative. I'm with you. I think he's a little overrated. Because if you're an offensive mastermind, you kind of figure it out. And you watch the last couple of years, specifically this year, it couldn't have been any worse.

They were unwatchable. And like, okay, hand the ball off to Quichon Junkins, like anyone called those plays. Can you scheme up some past plays? Can you get some guys, and he could not do it? He was awful often. You know, Potola gets crushed in Philly. Stavansky was worse this year.

Now you'd be like, well, they had way more talent. I'm just talking about when you watch them, like, does anyone have any clue what's going on? No wonder Jim Schwartz was pissed. We're a defensive team. And this is why I always said about Sifansky. They've had awesome defenses with shorts over the course of the last three or four years. Definitely the last couple.

And it's like Kevin Savansky, there is a decent chance this thing flames out in Atlanta. Like it's ugly. So I'm with you. I think maybe he's solid. But I think he's talked about, like, in the upper echelon of offensive minds, and I just, I don't know, man. I don't see it. Long time, first time.

Wondering who you think would win. The Eagles of last year versus the Seahawks this year would be a great matchup to see the Eagles offense for Seattle's defense. But I do think that the Eagles defense would make Donald's stress. I would give the Eagles a slight edge. If Jaylon is going to play like he played in the Super Bowl, they would be in pretty good shape. The Eagles last year by the end of the season were really humming.

They were more a complete team than Seattle. Like Seattle offensively, let's face it. I'm not, no shade. That Patriot team, I mean, give me a break. Good team. Most years, probably like an 11 win, 10 win team, and probably one and done in the playoffs. Especially if their quarterback's going to be banged up

and that guy's their left tackle. But they win 17 games. They're in the Super Bowl. It's like, I don't know. Their offensive line sucks. How many teams that offensive line is not good and make the Super Bowl? Pretty rare.

So I think Seattle, it would have been more difficult for the Eagles to just get loose on the ground. But Seacuan was just like kind of in his Hall of Fame season era. I mean, he was a man amongst boys. And then the receivers were humming. Jaylon was playing well. And defensively, well, who was the best Patriot defensive lineman? Milton Williams. He was like the third or fourth best defensive lineman on the Eagles.

So from a defensive line standpoint, they had Jalen, Jordan Davis, Brandon Graham, they had sweat who's now on the Cardinals in his big time. Milton Williams, their defensive line was unreal. Zach Bond, they had the two young rookie corners. I'd probably give the, that Eagles team was stacked. I'd give the Eagles a slight edge, but that would be a really good game. Question for the mailbag. Understand the question is going to feel reductive,

but wanted to get your opinion. Mike McDonald clearly is a phenomenal head coach and now joins a pretty elite group of Super Bowl winning head coaches. However, there have been some notable coaches who have won a Super Bowl, but we don't see as very elite. Who do you think is the worst coach

to win a Super Bowl? Siriani, Ariens, Peterson, come to mind. I would say Aryan's a good coach. I mean, Aryans didn't. become a head coach till later in life. Ariens pretty clearly is a high-end coach. If Bruce Ariens was like 55 right now and available, he would have had 10 coaching offers.

I would give Siriani the, I don't know Siriani, and I know Doug, I like Doug. I think Siriani's proven to be a better coach than Doug. I mean, Doug was kind of all over the map. And Doug had some weird loyalties to coaches. Like, Siriani would throw you over the Titanic in the blink of an eye. So I would say the Doug won's a pretty big outlier. Brian Billick feels like a pretty big outlier.

Barry Switzer was handed, that Cowboys team. You watch some of the players talk about him. I don't think he was great. Who's won recently? Andy, Belichick, McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh. I mean, all these guys were listening are better than Doug Peterson. So I would say, no, I like. Doug, but I'd probably choose him.

I would say if Dan Quinn had won that Patriot Super Bowl, he'd be near the top too. Someone else asked me a question. I don't usually read emails, but this was kind of an interesting one. We'll end on this. Longtime listener, love a show. This is from Rob. They always show coaches up in their boxes. I was wondering how many coaches are up there, and what does each of them do?

How do people actually, and how people actually, and how people actually actually and how many people does it actually take to call a play. Thanks. Well, there's only one guy calling the play. So if the coordinator's up in the box, he's obviously the guy calling the play. He typically has one of his henchmen, if I'm Fangio, maybe my DB coach, maybe my linebacker coach, maybe my assistant defensive line coach, a guy like that sitting right next to me with binoculars telling me the personnel. So it's like, hey, three wide receivers, one back, one tied in. Four wide receivers, one tied end, no back. You know, telling you that so then I can react. Then you have usually like

an intern quality control coach, someone under that world taking notes, jotting down each play call, jotting down tendencies, whatever specifically that coordinator likes. Let's face it, these coaching staffs are probably over saturated right now. I mean, you go to just a random NFL or college team. They have a million coaches. They have like two position coaches per position. It's like lineback coach, assistant lineback coach, assistant DB coach, safety's coach, assistant dline coach, assistant Dline coach, pass rush specialist. So what can all these guys be doing on game day? In the box, you typically have a play caller, you have a guy telling them personnel, which then helps them dictate to their play call.

They are usually talking to one of the other main defensive or offensive coaches that is on the sideline. But if you're Fangio, maybe your linebacker coach or D-line coach is on the sideline, you're communicating with them. Same thing with offensive coordinator, usually their O-line coach is on the sideline. Maybe their quarterback coach is next to them or on the side. And you're constantly communicating, but you're the guy calling the plays. Unless your head coach says, hey, whoever, coach.

Coach Williams, if I'm the head coach, the CEO type, let's run the ball here. I don't tell you which run to call, but hey, I want to run the ball here. So that guy will start calling run plays. Or hey, let's, you know that, some of those shots we worked on in practice, let's pull the trigger here. I think a lot of that's going on with head coaches in communication with the play callers. But I bet there are some decent amount of guys up in the box that aren't really doing that much. aren't, you know, from taking notes to maybe they focus on a position group, like watch the defensive line, watch the coverages, you know,

taking notes of what coverages they're getting with certain looks. That surely is going on. But it's probably jumped to shark a little bit with how many people are coaching on a staff. You know, I don't think you need three coaches, but I'm not sure you need 30. And some of these staffs are, have a lot of guys. I mean, if I owned a team, you'd be so rich, you wouldn't spend that much time thinking about it. But there would be times where, what are all these people doing? And where guys get mad, it's like, our D line sucks.

We got four guys coaching the defensive line. We got as many coaches as we do starters. How's this possible? How are we not better in those units? So I think that gets discussed sometimes as well. But good question. And I will talk to everyone. in about 10 days.

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