The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Lamar Jackson and the Ravens topple Justin Herbert and the Chargers in Harbaugh Bowl on MNF

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

John dives into another epic Monday Night Football matchup between Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and John Harbaugh’s Baltimore Ravens who defeated Jim Harbaugh’s Los Angeles Chargers by a score of 30-23. Middlekauff tips his cap to both John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh, two of the NFL’s premier coaches, and talks about how both head coaches bring passion and energy to their franchises which has led to on-field success in a tough AFC this season. John breaks down Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens chances as legitimate contenders in the NFL, and explains why the AFC North titans offense is the key to them bringing home the Lombardi Trophy. Then, John proceeds to tip his cap to the Harbaugh brothers for being elite talent evaluators, evident by former Ravens DC and current Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike Macdonald and Los Angeles Chargers DC Jesse Minter, who will interview for NFL head coaching positions this offseason. Next, Middlekauff breaks down Jim Harbaugh and the Los Angeles Chargers, led by star QB Justin Herbert, and the team’s chances to compete in the loaded AFC as Harbaugh continues to build out a contender in Los Angeles, CA. After, John dives into the New York Jets hiring a consulting service to look for a new GM, goes in on the incompetent Chicago Bears front office and breaks down some other action from around the League this past Sunday. Finally, another edition of penthouse/outhouse featuring the Philadelphia Eagles, Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions, the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, and the port-a-potty New York Giants. Later, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 4:32 - MNF - Ravens at Chargers reaction 26:59 - Jets GM/Head Coach search 31:40 - Bears should have already fired Matt Eberflus 35:11 - Commanders head coach should have went for 2 39:41 - NFL Penthouse/Outhouse 47:44 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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who I thought was excellent tonight. Derek Henry, who was also excellent. And just the Ravens got a very, very impressive big win. That was a big time win. And now they got another big game coming up against the Eagles. And they're just with the Steelers losing that Thursday night game are right in the mix at 8 and 4. So we will discuss the game as well as the charger side,

some things that some good and some bad. Big picture, I mean, Jim's going to win 10. games. That's hell of a season with the Chargers. Outmatched tonight, as you should be. I mean, the Ravens were favored on the road for a reason. Do want to dive into some other NFL stories, a couple other things just around the league. We'll fly around

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And then the Ravens separated, kind of kicked their ass in the fourth quarter and got, you know, the final score will look a little different than what we witnessed in the fourth quarter with the late touchdown for the Chargers. But, you know, we haven't got this game in a long time because Jim has been coaching in college football. It's pretty cool. I mean, it really is. obviously we see it with players you know Peyton and Eli the Watt brothers you know

Steph Curry and his brother Seth you've seen it in a lot of different sports with two brothers being on the same field but for two brothers in Jim and John who were born into a family where their father was a football coach and then for both to go on to not just become football coaches because that isn't that weird

a lot of guys that coach do it because there's dads did it, right? Brian Callahan, his dad's a coach. Kellen Moore, his dad's a coach. Even if you're not a coach at an NFL level, a college level, a high school level, it gets in your blood, it's what you want to do. But for both those guys to become,

I don't know, two of the better coaches of their generation. Obviously, John is a Super Bowl champion. Last year, he had what I thought was the best team in the NFL poised to win the Super Bowl for a second. Obviously, Jim has been to a Super Bowl, finally got over the hump and win a national title. It's just really, really cool. And, you know, you see the love and the passion both these guys have for football.

And I remember when I was working with the Eagles and I was in the box. And Jim and John both came in. Obviously, John had worked, you know, for Andy Reed, you know, in the mid-2000s. The story about, and listen, like, Jim was a very, very famous NFL football player. John was a college football player that no one had ever heard of who was just called Jim Harbaugh's younger brother. You know, kind of had to earn it from the mud. And then you read about Jim's story or hear about Jim's story or watch some of these things on Jim's story.

He started coaching for his dad in the mid-90s when he was playing for the Bears, helping him recruit. So the passion they have for their family, how tight-knit they are, it's just, I'm glad we have them in our life. I got a chance to see Jim Harbaugh first hand for several years when he was coaching for the 49ers. Obviously this year his team is somewhat limited, though going to the playoffs, and we'll see who they play.

They might have a chance to win a game. If the Ravens can be healthy, they are obviously a Super Bowl contender. These two guys are just badass us. And Jack Harbaugh and Jackie Harbaugh, deserve a lot of credit for just raising two hell of football coaches because, I mean, they're coaching at the highest level. They are so successful.

And obviously, they're love for each other, but they're love for their teams, their passion for the sport. It's like you can't hide what they bring to the table. Now on the game. You know, one thing both these two guys, they're teams that represent consistently running the football and playing defense.

And that always translates in January. Why? Because you play in a lot of bad weather games. So if you can play defense and run the ball, even if your team is not as good as your opponent, you have a chance to win in the NFL playoffs. And we'll see in college football, it's the same thing. This is not basketball or baseball,

where it's like, we just don't have the talent. And over the course of a seven-game series, I'm going to be at a disadvantage. You know, in tennis, it's several sets, in golf, it's four rounds. In football, it's 60 minutes. And if you can slow down the game and you can open field tackle and you can pressure the quarterback, you can win big time games. And the one thing you saw tonight, and I think the Ravens, tonight was one of their more impressive games of the year.

Obviously, they have had sexier games with Lamar, the couple against the Cincinnati Bengals. He is going to have games even the rest of this season. where the statistics are going to look better. But this was a game against one of the better defenses in the NFL could not turn the ball over. You had to be extremely accurate and completely, I would say, under control and poised, which he often is against random teams,

and he destroys, and we've noted against some of the better defenses over the last couple of years, it hasn't gone as well. And I thought tonight was the type game. Now, it was indoors, he was in complete control, and I thought he was excellent. I mean, the touchdown pass that he had to Bateman was an absolute dime. The touchdown pass in the back of the end zone to Andrews was just extremely high-level NFL football.

He did not put the ball in harm's way. He obviously had the rushing touchdown as well as, you know, Derek Henry dominated on the ground. And offensively, and here's the thing, like, their defense has been a major question mark. and I don't think we learn that much against this opponent. We will learn more this upcoming week when they play the Eagles that have much more firepower. But if their defense can just be solid, it all comes down to Lamar in the offense.

Because if they are good, Belichick, I was at the gym today, and Belichick came on Pat McAfee, and they were talking about this game. And he's like, you know the crazy thing about Baltimore? They're probably the only team in the NFL that when they are right, and maybe you could throw the Lions in here as well,

but he mentioned, maybe he was just talking about the AFC, they could beat every team they play by 14 plus points. And no one would be surprised. And tonight, that's kind of essentially what they did as they started separating in the fourth quarter because of the quarterback, because he's such an unstoppable scramble, thrower, offensive weapon. And then you saw Derek Henry in the open field,

this Chargers defense is really, really good. They're physical, they tackle well in the open field, and they look like me trying to tackle the guy because he is just throwing guys to the ground that have them just one-on-one in the open field. And you can see it from your couch. You're like, that guy's got no shot. And he just wore him down.

And I think you saw tonight, like, the Chargers do not have enough offense to beat, to me, teams like the Ravens and the Bills. They're just too explosive on offense and can score too many points. If the Chargers are going to beat a really good team, they actually probably have to win the game like, you know, 19 to 16, 22 to 18, you know, just a low scoring affair. Honestly, they match up the best of all the good teams against the Chiefs

because they can play in just an ugly muck it up game. Now, we will see what happened to J.K. Dobbins, but it's just hard over the course of 60 minutes to just hold this Ravens team because the offense is so explosive with the quarterback and once that guy gets moving man he is just I just don't think we'll ever going to see anything like him again

which is ironic because the best running back prospect in the draft who is completely dominating a lot like Derek Henry did in college at Boise State Ashton Genty word on the street he's like shade over five seven. He's actually tiny, right? But like they all come in different shapes and sizes and

JNT breaks tackles left and right. This guy, when he's one on one with these defenders, linebackers, and dbs are like, he is so much bigger and he's going to toss him to the ground. And he just does it so violently. Where Lamar has the stiff arm that's like the back pedal, push your head down while I keep my eyes up. Tonight was, you know, this is the thing about Lamar. Like everyone gets on their knees and circle jerks these huge stat games against random teams. To me, tonight was a type game where it's like, that's a high level

performance. That's like playoff level, championship level type shit. If you play like that in January, the Ravens can beat anybody. And that guy that we just saw, like I don't care what he does to the bad teams. I like watching him against the best

defenses and play like this. And clearly as the game went, he got more and more comfortable. And that throw to Mark Andrews was just like, he was on. He was on. Now, his stats, like I said, are not going to be comparable to some of the games this year. I don't care.

That's as good as it gets tonight from Lamar Jackson. Obviously, Derek Henry having him. Isn't it crazy that I was thinking about it when Derek was busting off some of his big runs? It was like, what are you even supposed to do? Meanwhile, Harbaugh is handed it to like J.K. Dobbins, good player who gets injured. and Gus Edwards, two guys that, you know, over the course, essentially Derek's replacing. Like, that was a Ravens backfield once upon a time.

Two little, bruising, good players. But not this Hall of Fame level guy is for Sequin, who got a lot more than Derek. Obviously, he's younger. But the two guys combined got like $35 million guaranteed. It's pretty crazy. I mean, they've easily been. Two of the better players in the National Football League, any position, including quarterback. And in these physical games, like when you muck it up, and if you're a playoff contender,

you're going to play in some games against really good defenses, you just have a horse you can hand it to. Because that guy then makes the life easier on the quarterback. Because what happens tonight? Lamar doesn't have to throw it as much. What did they do tonight? They had 36 rushing attempts and 20. 22 passing attempts. And last week when they lost,

when they lose the Steelers, two weeks ago, the stack came out that he was two and four when they have more passing attempts when Lamar does than the team does rushing attempts. This is their strategy. Now, you might get into a game

where the number's close to equal or maybe more passing attempts. If Lamar plays like he did the night completely under control, they'd be fine. They'd be fine. I still have question marks about their defense. Because when we're headed to the fourth quarter in 17 to 16,

I'm Googling, I'm like, the Ravens defensive staff in 2020, when Wink Martindale was the defensive coordinator, their DB coach was Jesse Minter, who is going to interview with countless teams this offseason for a head coaching job. Will he get one or not? I don't know. He might be a year away,

but he's going to interview this year. And Mike McDonald, who last year when he was the defensive coordinator for the Ravens. People on the staff called him Boy Genius. He's now coaching Seattle who has a lead in the NFC West. And I think they might win it.

If I was a betting man right now, I'd probably bet on Seattle to win the NFC West. So they had mentor and him as two position coaches. And this is the thing with the Harbaugh brothers. Like neither guy is calling place. John Harbaugh is not the defensive

coordinator, not the offensive coordinator. Not the offensive coordinator. Obviously, Jim is just the CEO, leader of men. They are elite at hiring coaches. They really are. They are so damn good at that. And it's not shocking when you watch tonight, you're like, God, these teams are so well-coached.

They're just playing so hard. They tackle so well. I mean, it was the first game that the Ravens have tackled well in the backfield in a while. They just feel like a, just a high-level operation. And one skill, I don't know if Jack taught them this, they are really, really good at identifying coaches. And obviously, John has the Ravens organization, which has produced coaches for a long, long time.

I mean, going back before John even got there with Brian Billick, like a lot of high-level coaches have started off as position coaches there, gone on to be defensive coordinators. It's been a breeding ground for defensive coaches. They start coaching linebackers, defensive line, or dbs, and shoot right up the chain and become head coaches. all the way back to Rex Ryan way back in the day

or Mike Nolan. I mean, you can go back to the early 2000s, but, you know, they're doing it again. I mean, Minter was John Harbaugh's guy. Mike McDonald was John Harbaugh's guy. Even or this year he's taking a lot of shit, which I do understand because their defense was so freaking good last year.

I mean, it's easily one of the better defenses of like the last 20 years, not even just statistically where they rank scoring defense, but when you just watch them play, it's why I was on a couple text chains tonight, and it's like was last year their chance to win it all because their defense was clearly better, but again, it all comes down if a Lamar can play at a high level,

this team could beat anybody. And we saw them curb-stomp the bills. And this week, I'm fascinated to watch them play the Eagles. When you look at the Chargers, I think whoever they match up, up against in round one is going to be very interesting. We'll have to see who wins this division now in the north because there's a very good chance that if the Chargers are the six-seed,

they play the three-seed that is the AFC North champion. Now, it looked like Pittsburgh, after they beat Baltimore, was going to head to that pretty easily, then all of a sudden Thursday night happened. And then the Ravens win the night, and you're like right there. and if the Ravens were to beat Philly, then they go on a buy, they would be 9 and 4. And the Steelers' next two games are at Cincinnati, which is no easy test the way their offense is playing. And then Cleveland, which we see how difficult these divisional games are.

And then they have to play Philly. So before the Ravens play Pittsburgh. So they have three games to the Ravens 2, which is the Eagles and the Giants. and if the Chargers play the Ravens in the first round as the 3-6, I would imagine the Chargers are won and done. I would like the Ravens in that matchup. If it's vice versa, and the Ravens are the five-seat, and they're playing the Texans,

I think a lot of people would bet on the Ravens to win that game. And as Chargers playing the Steelers, like that's a very, very winnable game. And I think there would be a lot of money coming in on the Chargers if it was like plus four, right, or plus three and a half. And who knows, maybe it'd be even a little lower in that. Maybe it'd be under a field goal. But they would need a matchup like that

where it's like, hey, we're both going to try to play in the teens and just see who can make the play in the fourth quarter. We're kind of mirror images of each other. And listen, I would say Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin would cancel each other out, and I would take Justin Herbert over Russell Wilson every day of the week and 50 times on a Sunday. And that's not a shot at Russell Wilson,

but in 2024, I think there's not a general manager or head coach in the NFL that would disagree with me, and that would also include everyone involved with the Steelers. But I think the Chargers are going to be very matchup dependent. Like they're going to play, they're going to be very comfortable, actually, in their divisional games. When they play Denver, not counting the Raiders, who are basically a JV football team right now, but counting Denver and the Chiefs, who all kind of play the same way. Really good defense, ugly offense, just execute down the stretch and try to win by like, you know, five to seven points.

And like they play tonight, they were just trying so hard to keep it close, to keep it close, and they just couldn't because, you know, their number one wide receiver who's probably going to be a really good player is Ladd McConkey. And one thing big picture this team's going to need to do because defense is not going to be an issue.

It never is with Jim Harbaugh. Running the ball is not going to be an issue. It never is with Jim Harbaugh. They're going to have to add a good tight end and a wide receiver. Because you saw Quinn Johnson, that's not their draft pick that Telesco took last year in the first round, who looked like he was showing signs of life this season.

I think he has five touchdowns, maybe six coming into this game, was an utter disaster tonight. He dropped a massive first down when the game was actually still in the balance. Lamar had just scored to make it a 23 to 16 game, and the Chargers were driving, and they just ran this crossing route, and whatever defense the Ravens, were running, I mean, like a lot of times this year,

there was no one really around him. And as Aikman said, if he catches that, there was a lot of green turf. Now, I don't know if he scores, but it definitely is an explosive play because the guy can run. And who knows? You know, the Chargers are down six and maybe the game turns out differently. Instead, goes right through his hands. And that was kind of, I thought, the moment the game flipped a little bit. And then the Chargers ran out of error because they don't have the margin for error

because they don't have Zayflowers in Bateman and Mark. and Mark Andrews. Like, they're just not, and once J.K. Dobbins goes out, their offense just does not feel explosive. It's Herbert just kind of scrambling around, getting chased by Ravens, throwing it to Palmer. I mean, you know, McConkey. That's just, that's what their limitations are.

And I think that's going to be a big point of emphasis this offseason. Not that they have to break the bank and buy some wide receiver, because I don't expect them to like figure out a way to pay T. Higgins. Jim Harbaugh has shown that is not the position that he emphasized. I do wonder, though, he has never had a quarterback like this.

And you know his defense is going to be good, but you have to have more offensive firepower. Especially in a conference when you view your guy every bit as good as these other guys or at least talented enough to go toe to toe, well, they're going to have weapons. Like, moving forward,

this is the worst the chief's offense is ever going to be personnel-wise. Google some of the guys Andy Reed has had over the years He gets aggressive on offense Obviously the bills You know they trade for Amari Cooper They got Keon Coleman

Shakir's not going anywhere They got Cook like their offense is going to be good The Bengals their offense is good The Ravens not going anywhere The Broncos are probably only going to add on offense So I know it's not Harbaugh's first maneuver And the first thing he wants to do

I do think they're going to have to find some balance because this team is going to be in position in these next couple years to be very, very competitive. And the difference is going to be if you're struggling to score 15 points in these playoff games, you're not going to be able to win. So I really enjoyed the game tonight. I like an old school, physical guys just getting blasted. We don't get that enough. And that's part of when you watch certain teams like the Chargers or the Chiefs,

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Like I need to start making money. Like, why are we doing this? But I don't know. I think we just always knew that we were. we had something really good, and eventually people were going to catch on. And so we just thugged it out. The full season is available to binge. Right now, listen to Eating Wall Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A couple other quick topics around the National Football League. The Jets hired the 33rd team, which is owned by Mike Tannenbaum, who I personally know because when I got out of football, he got out of football, he started to become an agent and representing coaches and media people. And someone put me in touch with him and he represented me for some radio contracts. Not that I really needed it. It was honestly kind of stupid on my part, but I just got the door.

And, you know, he always, he loves the business of football. football, obviously he stayed very close to it, working at ESPN, and he clearly likes Woody Johnson a lot, and Woody Johnson thinks highly of him, him and Rick Spielman. Here's my one question, though. If I'm Woody Johnson, and my job is basically just to own the team, wouldn't I constantly, especially this year, when I came into the year with, like, I have a general manager on a expiring contract, I think Douglas's contract, I don't know the exact date, but whether it went through the draft,

they weren't going to extend them. And a coach that clearly Woody didn't like, wouldn't I be making some phone calls, like just in the summer or having someone do that and just put together a list of like, here are the top five or six guys I should interview for general manager, and the top five or six guys I should interview for head coaching jobs? It doesn't feel like it should be,

that difficult. It really doesn't. I often think this about athletic directors. If I'm the athletic director at school X, that's power four, right? Whether it's Texas or whether it's, you know, pick a smaller version of that. Texas Tech.

Isn't part of my job to be dialed in on people I would want to interview if I have to fire my coach or my coach leaves? So like, I don't quite understand not feeling good about who I'm going after or at least have a list of people on both sides of the ledger, coach, and executive that I want to talk to.

And if I'm so out of the loop because I'm just a super rich guy that's not paying that much attention beside my team, okay, somewhat understandable. Well, we read that article from Diana Rusini that when he had the meeting trying to bench Aaron Rogers, there were 17 people in the meeting room and four or five of them were like his cronies. What are they on the payroll for?

They can't just be selling season tickets 24-7, 365. Wouldn't I have a right-hand guy that I would give that responsibility to? So, I mean, props to Tannenbaum and Spielman for getting hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'm sure, to be part of this consulting operation. But I think it's more reflection

on the Jets, shouldn't they be able to figure out the right guys to be all... This isn't... It's not like a cloak and dagger situation where you're just in the dark, like, what do I do? It's pretty fucking clear, especially from a coaching standpoint, but honestly, even the general manager's standpoints. Like, who are some of the best teams? The Ravens, the Eagles. Like, when they hired Joe Douglas, pretty self-explanatory.

He was the number one guy or the right-hand guy to Howie on one of the best teams of league. Usually what happens. It's not often where you're like, well, let's go to the bottom three teams and let's interview their assistant GMs. The same guys get interviewed coming from successful operations. So that one's a little bit of a head scratcher to me. I don't pretend to be in the know enough because we've seen the bears have done this before. People love hiring consultants to help them out with their search. Well, they're really, just going to funnel them guys that they like?

Isn't it your job to hire the guy that you like? Listen, Josh Harris last year. What does he do? He's like Bob Myers. But like Bob still hangs out of him. Bob didn't have a job. Bob's not like a consultant. It's like, hey Bob, you just know people. Can you help

me run a search? Like you just come work for us. Not like consult. Like I want you to be part of this operation. I want to lean on you. And clearly does because I think Was it the Eagle game on Thursday night? Bob was sitting right there with Josh Harris. So I don't know.

And speaking of coaches, you know, it's really funny that it's never easy firing people, if you like them, right? You read about headlines, major Fortune 500 companies. If you work in certain industries, you get texts about so-and-so has been laid off, then you know them.

It's just, it's a shitty feeling. when you see someone lose their job and anyone listening to this, whether you own a company or whether you're in a management or HR position, it's not a fun position to be in when you have to tell someone they're being let go. It's just, it's bad.

And clearly, the bears have a lot. Now, some industries are a little different than others. Like, if you work in coaching, you're kind of hired to essentially be fired. I mean, Andy Reid and Bill Belichick have been fired. So Matt Iberfluse shouldn't lose that much sleep knowing that he's going to get fired sooner or later. But clearly the Bears like the guy, which understand it. I bet he's a really nice guy.

For Matt Iberflus to still have a job. And obviously you can't fire him this week because it's a Thursday night game. Probably should have fired him when you fired Shane Waldron. Wasn't that the move? Like, what's the point of Delance? playing this. Because here's the thing I will respect about the Jets, who the story came that Woody Johnson helicoptered to practice and fired Joe Douglas like last Tuesday. Once you fire everybody, you don't have to hide anything. Right? The bears are writing these lists, Ryan Poles and Kevin

Warren in their office when no one's looking. They kind of look around. They kind of dim the lights and they're writing like Ben Johnson, Mike Vrable, they got a little list or something in their notepad. when you just tell him, hey man, we appreciate everything you did, you tried hard, it just wasn't good enough, it just wasn't even remotely close to good enough. I saw a clip.

I didn't have a game audio on, but he threw a challenge flag yesterday on a Jordan Addison explosive play that obviously wasn't a play that should have been challenged and they asked him after the game, like, why did you do that? He's like, we just like challenging explosive plays. And I honestly, I, I had to look twice.

I'm like, is this AI? Did he really just say this? I mean, this guy's so over his head. And this is where you get in these positions where someone's completely over their head in a situation or in a job like this where it's like, we all start getting embarrassed. Like this starts getting really, really bad.

I mean, really, really ugly. The coaching going on right now for the Bears, like, sorry Chicago fans, I could have told you Richard Hightower was the special teams coach for the 49ers for a while. we used to have a thing where we just scream out High Tower every time there is a fuck-up and usually it's multiple times a game.

Well, obviously in the game against the Vikings, you had a muff punt where a guy basically called, get away, Peter, Peter, get away! And he just got to stood there and the ball hit him and the Vikings landed on it. You don't see that very often. And they had the same thing happen to them on a block kick

that literally just happened to them that cost them a game the week before. so you can't even I just don't get what's going on and I feel bad for Bears fans because I don't know if it's going to happen. You know what's funny is like to be a football coach for the most part

you got to be a tough crazy guy. Right, like let's use Antonio Pierce for an example. Like no one can argue like Antonio Pierce is legitimately tough. We have seen him play middle linebacker in the national football league. He's a tough guy. Like if you just compare it like who is physically tougher?

Antonio Pierce or William Belichick, you'd go, well, Bill would get his ass kicked by Antonio Pierce. Complete agreement by everybody. Yet Antonio Pierce coaches like he is terrified of doing anything wrong. He's constantly kicking field goals. He's running out clocks. He's an embarrassment when it comes to making decisions. And Belichick historically has some of the biggest Cajonis, the biggest set of balls in NFL history. So having balls when you're a coach

Has nothing to do with like how tough of an actual guy you are Right? Dan Campbell has pretty big balls Sometimes he's a little reckless but no one ever argues like Dan Campbell does not coach scared John Harbaugh forever was always like this guy's crazy Say this about Siriani Now is Siriani actually making decisions I think he's being told to make these decisions but either way

And Dan Quinn who would you just want to? his teams the last several years on defense you go, this guy, this guy can instill toughness. Like he's crazy little bald guy. Backwards hat and his team's flying around with their hair on fire. I don't think it quite hit me because, one, I screwed up. I

turned the television off the game because I assumed it was over before Jaden Daniels hit Terry McLaren for I would say probably if you were watching it live, one of the coolest plays. And then I also missed live the field goal that was missed, which

watching it not live honestly is such a letdown because you know you miss that high that everyone got to experience and it still pisses me off more than 24 hours later. God, I'm just, I'm an idiot. I clicked off the four box to go to the individual box to the freaking Bears game because it was headed to overtime. But regardless, when they scored the touchdown with Terry McClureen to go down 27 to 26, they had 21 seconds left.

And it didn't quite hit me. I guess we might have talked about it last night before we recorded my podcast at night. Why didn't he go for two? And he talked about it after the game or today when he was addressing the media that never crossed his mind to go for two. his field goal kicker has been a disaster his quarterback like Lamar tonight if you get him on the run on these two-point plays

is very very dangerous hell they had scored on one earlier you also have nothing to lose like this year you have no expectations winning 10 games might get you like a contract extension so this guy that just a couple weeks ago on Thursday night against the Eagles what was the score

12 to 10 and he was driving, went for it? You know why? Because there wasn't that much pressure. Late in the, you know, 10 minutes left or whatever in the fourth quarter, I forget the exact time on the clock, but if you lost the Eagles, no one holds it against you. It's easy to be free and easy. It actually doesn't take balls. You could argue it's just stupid to make that decision against the Eagles. Because you actually have a chance to win.

Where the Cowboys, where there is pressure, because if you do lose to the Cowboys, everyone's going to say you choke because you should have beat them, you're favored, they're terrible, they got their backup quarterback, he puckered up. And that's what I find funny about some of these coaches. It's like they get loose when it's easy to be loose. It was easy to be loose against the Eagles. They were a massive underdog.

Yet against the Cowboys in a game that everyone thought they were going to win, he wasn't loose. And he wasn't this kind of gun-slinging guy with big balls. and he coached, I would say, I don't want to say scared, but he took the easy way out. And it cost him because it actually wasn't because the kicker is so terrible

and the ball never even a chance. So I think Dan Quinn would have to want that one back. Okay, let's do, to me, the penthouse when it comes to the NFL and the top teams, I think the NFC right now, if the Eagles or the Lions,

if the Super Bowl was tomorrow and I said you could pick between four or five teams in the AFC the Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens, the Steelers, the Chargers, the Broncos, the Texans, basically the group of teams that are going to make the playoffs. The Lions and the Eagles

would be favored against all those teams. Depending on the matchup, the Lions would be heavy favorite, and I think the way the Eagles are playing right now, I think the same thing. We're last year going into even the Final Four, you're like, The Ravens are going to be favored against whoever they play, and the Chiefs are going to be an underdog to either the Lions or the 49ers.

So to me, Philly, I haven't been hesitant to put them on the Lions level, but there is no denying right now that they look fucking awesome. The Lions have been good going back to last year. They have been consistently awesome. They have won every single way. There's nothing else to say about them. I think they, if you were doing a power ranking of one through five, they would have to be the number one team in the NFL right now.

I think if we're just being real, I think you'd probably have to put the Eagles number two. Because like I said, I think they would be favored against all those teams in New Orleans if the game was next week. And then I think the AFC, like, I don't feel great about the conference. One, I think it's wide open.

Four teams could win this thing, maybe five. Obviously the Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens. You know, if the Steelers, I thought maybe, and then he watched the other night against the Browns, like, I don't know. I thought the Chargers, it's like, is it crazy that the Chargers could be in the AFC Championship game? Then you watch and play, like, oh, they just don't have enough offense.

You'd be hard pressed to see a rookie quarterback in Bo Nix get that far, but their defense is really good. It might just be the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Ravens. And I know the Steelers beat the Ravens. We'll see if they play again. And hell, they might end up playing three times. I just have a hard time picking Russell Wilson over Lamar. Though, the one thing Steelers would say,

if you're going to play them like you do every time, he's going to look like that, then yeah. Then I would kick the Ravens out of this category. But every time, like I want to drop them, I watch a game like tonight, and you're like, holy shit. Like this, this is awesome. But I think we have to do a clear separation of the Lions and the Eagles right now are just kind of in their own little category.

and to me they feel better than all these teams right now in the AFC and luckily we get a massive awesome game this week in Baltimore with the Eagles coming through I think the outhouse just has one team and like I said the Port of Potty Panthers who it was really ugly there for a while might have done one of the great moves of all time of benching their player

and then basically nothing they did to create this Andy Dalton gets in a car accident, and they have to throw Bryce Young back in, and he looks good. And the team, I don't know if they've rallied around them. I don't know if they've just gotten better. They have been really good for a month. And they went toe to toe to drive down the field and score that extra two point to tie the game against the Chiefs. That was a really cool moment for a Carolina Panthers franchise that has had a lot of ugly moments. And it was just a couple weeks ago, they were the laughing sock of the league.

And to me right now, that's the Giants who are in their own little world. Like the Raiders are equally as shitty on the field, but they're just losing quarterback. They just had no quarterbacks coming into the season. Now, Gardner Minchu breaks his collarbone. Aiden O'Connell had shattered a finger. They had to sign. What's his name from the Falcons last year? Ritter.

Like, their quarterback situation is so bad that they were always going to suck. But they really didn't have any options. I don't quite know what to say. The Giants chose to name Tommy Cutlets their starting quarterback. I just, I texted with someone who's around the Giants today, not a coach or anything, but covers on the media side. And I was like, are these guys really going to get fired? He's like, I just don't see how you overcome if they just don't win another game.

And then sometimes when it rains, it pours, it's like you can't really hide. Right, you're like, God, that Tommy Cutlass thing, that was really bad. Who do we got this week? Well, you play in four days on Thanksgiving Day on basically the slot they give the Cowboys to. Why? Because that's the slot most people are watching football. It is typically the highest rated game of the day. The middle game. Because a lot of people in the East Coast sitting down to eat. A lot of us on the West Coast or Mountain Time are cooking and are around the kitchen. And that game is on television. A couple years ago, I forget who played, but it was a really good game.

It was like one of the highest rated games of the year. It might have been two years ago. It was Cowboy Somebody and I think like almost 30 million people watched it. Now, I don't necessarily think that's going to be the case this year because it's not a great game. But just on the sure volume of people that sit around during that time, everyone's going to be watching. And if you get killed, like, listen, getting your ass kicked by Tampa sucked. if you are a Giants fan, if you work for that team. But it was a Sunday morning game.

And unless you lived in New York, it's not like nationally everyone saw it. There is no hiding in this game. And because you're playing Dallas, everyone knows we've all been making fun of Dallas all year. And they're rolling out Cooper Rush. And I like Dallas a lot this weekend or week, you know, on Thursday. So I think the Giants, like even look at the Titans,

like keep playing their ass off. the Raiders, like I said, they just suck and they're awful and they're also in this category. But once you do the Tommy Cutlets move for Drew Locke and your own team basically goes, how can this be happening? I think you go into your own category. You basically have become the Port-a-Pottie Panthers. That's the New York Giants. The Port-a-Pottie New York Giants.

That's currently who they are with a, Tommy Cutlet at the bottom, you know, on one of a bunch of toilet paper and just a Tommy cutlet right there on top. That's the New York Giants headed into Thanksgiving week. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what.

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball.

Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right.

The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt?

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Listen to crime lists on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What would you eat if you had to start over? Real simple, poor man. poor woman's food. Black beans, chicken, rice, plantains. Yeah. That's all, that's poor people's food, man. But being Nigerian, that's, come on, a go-to.

On the podcast eating while broke, I sit down with celebrities, entrepreneurs, and creators as they revisit the meals they once relied on and the moments that shaped their journey. Named Best Food Podcasts at the 2006 I Heart Podcast Awards, this show is all about real conversations on money, growth, and what it really takes to make it. It was times where me and Lexa like definitely get into it because we're not making any money. Like I need to start making money. Like why are we doing this? But I don't know.

I think we just always knew that we had something really good. And eventually people were going to catch on. And so we just thugged it out. The full season is available to binge right now. Listen to eating while broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, let's do a little middle cuff mailbag at John Middlecough. John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in those direct messages and get your answered question here on the show.

Recording this part of the show before Monday night football. So just to give you context, depending on what's asked here. Tristan, a question for the mailbag. I understand the rules are the rules. But what happened last night in the Eagles Rams is total BS. Siriani declines the Rams offensive holding. Penalty due to put them in a fourth down. That should be the end of his ability to impact.

or affect the penalty. When the Rams choose to keep their offense on the field and then the penalty is enforced, it makes a mockery of the decision to decline it in the first place. He should know the outcome of declining that flag and that the Rams staying on the field for a fourth and three should have been something he thought of sooner. Curious your thoughts.

I forget the exact situation now. It's been four or five days, and I've watched so much football on Saturday and some. but there was a similar situation and chaotic moment in the in the game on Thursday night, in the Steelers and the James Winston led to Cleveland Browns. I am completely in agreement that when you make a decision, do you want, hey, it's going to be fourth and three or it's going to be third and eight? Do you want to accept or decline the penalty?

What they're going to do, once you accept or decline the penalty, you have no control over. Now, you make the decision based on what you think they will do, but once you find out what they will do, you don't get the equivalent of a timeout and then to change your opinion, right? We see it all the time, and it's fourth and two late in the game. The defense calls a timeout because they don't like to look, right? Well, that's fair.

You get three of those. That's your prerogative. You do not or should not. I don't know, you'd have to get Belichick on the horn here. Like, are they not supposed to allow that? because I thought you don't get, hey, just double checking, you want to decline, right? They're coming out to go for it on fourth and three.

Which, again, if I'm remembering this correctly, it was a five-yard penalty, and if I would rather have fourth and three and get them off the field than third and eight. Because basically they have two downs to get eight yards or one down to get three yards. Maybe I'm not a great mathematician here, but especially the way their defense was playing,

I would take fourth and three. So, yeah, I'm going to, you. I think total BS. You should not be able to, any coach, be allowed to change your opinion. Unless like, hey, I said decline, you accepted it, right? You misheard me. There was a miscommunication. If it's clear, concise, I give you the accept. That penalty is accepted and we're moving on and you can't say anything about it anymore. So I'm with you. What criteria do you use to determine who is a great quarterback or who you would have a question about. I have seen you and Colin wax poetic about Matt Stafford, who has a 94 pass-a-rating,

nine turnovers and 15 touchdowns, and the same record as San Francisco where Purdy has more TDs, better pass-rating, etc. But it's not just about them. Jordan Love is eight good games, but it's considered a great quarterback. I don't know who considers him a great quarterback. I think he's considered a high-end talent, but I don't. don't know if people would say he's a great quarterback, but I hear you. With a passer rating of 92, full disclosure, I have no clue what passer rating means. It means

absolutely nothing to me. If you put a gun to my head and said, describe how you get to these numbers, I wouldn't even know where to begin. Maybe other people listening to this, obviously the analytical nerds, I'm sure no, I do not know and don't give a shit. The only way I determine if a guy's good or not is I watch them play. And Kyle Shanahan would take Matt Stafford over the last five years over Brock Purdy. Like that's not an opinion.

I know that for a fact. Because literally they desperately tried to get him once upon a time. Matt Stafford's really good and been really good for a decade and a half. Now if you factor in one guy's 36, like over the next 10 years who would I rather have?

I would just take Brock Purdy based on age. But also Brock Purdy gets judged like last year I saw Matt Stafford go on the road against the Baltimore Ravens defense, one of the best in the league, and go toe to toe with their ass in a driving rainstorm. And I've seen Brock Purdy playing some cold games against good defense has not looked great. He's had a remarkable career as a Mr. Irrelevant. It's been awesome. Seems like a great guy. Everyone loves him. But like, can I win big once I start paying him $50 million a year? So there's context in all this. Like I've seen Mahomes. get paid $500 million, a contract for life. And the Chiefs kick everyone's ass consistently since. I don't even know what his stats are this year. I know they're not great.

Right? You just watch Lamar. You go, yeah, I've never seen anything like that. Josh Allen, like, I've never seen a guy that I didn't see John L. Wayne as prime. I would imagine this is what it looked like. And then there are guys we can argue about. Like, Kyler Murray. If you've watched football long enough, you know, God, this guy's a freak.

but you watch him sometimes in some of these big moments you're like, God, he didn't play that well. But we know he's really talented. Same thing with Jordan Love. Well, yesterday, that game against the Niners.

There were some throws, a couple that he missed. You're like, a couple that weren't his fault. Watson dropped a big, you know, pass that should have been a touchdown. But you watch him,

you go, this guy's really, really physically gifted. So, I guess my criteria is watch. And then I give my opinion. That's the business that we're in. And that's really the basis of, Sports talk in general, whether you're listening to it or talking with your friends.

It's all pretty subjective, right? I mean, there are objective things like, who's won the most Super Bowls? Who's won the most NBA titles? Who has the most MVP's? But it's like, who's the better player? We could argue that. Hell, who's the better coach? Andy doesn't have as many Super Bowls as Belichick, but I could make the argument for Andy Reid.

so I just think it's the fun part about sports I guess Question for the bag Chicago Bears Leifer Hey John Been a follower For several years Born in 1996 God we fucking love that demo around here baby

Advertisers love to hear it It's what the dying business of terrestrial radio no longer has So we welcome you to the show Jack Thanks for being a listener. With Iber Fluse on his way out and Thomas Brown looking more than competent these last couple weeks, it puts the bears in another precarious situation.

I think the best move is to fire Iber Fluse now so that Thomas Brown can be the interim the rest of the season. I've always scoffed at the orgs promoting the interim to full-time head coach as it seems to never work. But if the offensive Caleb continued to progress, it could make sense to give Thomas Brown a shot.

I would love to hear your thoughts. I talked about on the podcast on the open that Eberflue should have been fired a couple weeks ago to put your team in a position where you can start talking to other people, you can start doing what inevitably is going to happen. Right? What's the point of rolling them out? And they didn't fire them after the embarrassing loss of the Patriots

and they just keep losing. It's like, well, we got close against the Packer. Oh, we got close. It's like you've just lost. There are no, the only, I guess, moral victory here, like you said, is Caleb. I don't, never cross my mind to make Thomas Brown the interim coach. But, yeah, I mean, I don't think it's, I've heard way crazier ideas. Why not?

I would get Eberfluz out of there immediately. This isn't personal, right? It's not because he's a bad guy, and clearly they like the guy. But like, this is a business and a pretty big one, billions of dollars on the line. And our franchise quarterback, like we got to figure out where we're at.

And like you said, now that we did keep him a couple weeks after he fired Waldron, we found out, like, oh, this might have something here. So why not give him a trial run? And I'm pretty sure do the Bears play? I think they play.

I know it's Cowboys Giants. It is Packers versus the dolphins And yeah, it's Bears' Lions So maybe Thursday night If they lose the Lions I guess it's technically Thursday morning For us on the West Coast

I would fire you with loose Friday morning And just elevate Thomas Brown So I like your idea Uh mailbag question Regarding the cheese first the Niners running out of gas For the Niners I think it's more mental They've been playing in as many postings seasons as the Chiefs, and haven't gotten the payoff or even one Super Bowl. But actually, they

haven't because they didn't go to the championship game or the playoffs in 2018, and they did not in 2020 as well. So they actually have not. And like the Chiefs, they have some young guys that weren't around in 2020, you know, 2019 or even 2021. I get it. They've run out of gas, but why having the Chiefs run out of gas? They've been doing this longer. While I do think the Niners have done a lot and have been really good over the packs several years, they haven't been able to make it like the Chiefs because of a lot of what you talk about, coaching and quarterback. Kyle has been there the whole time, but the coordinators have been poached while Spaggs has been there with Andy.

The Tray Lance draft picks are catching up. Chiefs have been better at drafting to make up for older players moving on. I really like Purdy and I'm so grateful for saving the Niners the past two and a half years. but I don't think comparing the two teams situations as Apple's apples. Well, one huge part is Mahomes is dramatically better than Brock Purdy. And that's not a shot at Brock Purdy. That's just, there's a huge gap there.

And Brock Perry is a good player. And the gap between him and Mahomes is, you know, the size of California. And Andy Reed, in his mid-60s, is dramatically better than Kyle Shanahan as a head coach. And Kyle's good. And the crazy thing is, I would say the gap between Kyle and Andy, separate from this year, is closer than it is Purdy to Mahomes.

And like you said, Purdy saved the franchise because they would have been in major trouble. They would have had to try to get an old Rogers, signed cousins. It would have been a disaster. And I would take this version of Brock Purdy. I think where it gets complicated is the Niners tried to have their cake and eat it too. and part of the NFL, I would say this is where it parallels

Wall Street a lot. You got to be pretty cold-blooded. You got to make decisions that, like, guys you've been in battle with, like, see you later, we're not going to extend you, or we're going to trade you, we're going to get rid of you.

And Andy Reid did that. Like, Tyree Kill is a better player than some of the guys the 49ers have doubled down on. And, like, they should have pivoted off Debo a couple years ago. they should have pivoted this off season on Brandon Ayuk. They could have pivoted off, you know, Christian McCaffrey held out.

And I understand why he did. And they gave him extension because he was like, looked like Marshall Falk last year. And then his Achilles both stopped working. And he missed the majority of the season. And he comes back and he looks slow. And as we sit here today on November 25th, he's not even the best running back on the team based on the way. he's playing. Honestly, it's not really even close. Mason is. But Kyle is obligated because that's his

guy and he's paid him to keep giving him the ball. Even though in a weird way, it's kind of hurting the team. So I think the 49ers fell trap of what happens to bad organizations and a lot of NBA teams. They keep doubling down. And sometimes like, Debo looks terrible. And I admire what Debo did in 2021. It was an all-time carry a franchise with Jimmy Garopla. Let him to the playoffs. But ever since he's got his contract, it's been very hit or miss. Some hits, some moments. But a lot of like, are we really getting our monies worth?

The answer is no. I would say there's only a handful of guys that they've paid big money that you feel really good about. Kittles been a badass since Brock Purdy started, you know, became a starter. Trent Williams, for the most part, has been awesome. Fred's falling off a little bit, having a weird second half of the season, but he's been the heartbeat of your team for a long time in Bosa. But some of these offensive skill guys, and this is what Colin and I talked about. Like, they're open about, like, they don't believe as much in the offensive line.

Because their zone scheme. It's like, oh, just give me an average guy. Well, what does that average guy do when he's looking at fucking Aaron Donald? Or Chris Jones. or I don't know, every team that has multiple good defensive linemen. They're licking their lips to throttle that guy. The 49ers have one offensive lineman over the last three or four years. You're like, he intimidates the defensive line.

The other four guys are marks. Now, Poonie, the rookie, good player. But this notion of like taking a wide receiver in the first round, it's like, just take an offensive lineman. What they won't. Kyle doesn't believe in it. Because his own scheme, just get me a guy to go. and run, positional block.

It's like, how about you just give me a good player? For the bag, Hertz missed an open goddard in the end zone during the second quarter on a semi-tuff throw. Quarterbacks like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert hit it. How far away is Hertz from them? My name's Matt from West Virginia. I don't remember that pass. I don't put him in that category, but his team, like Herbert, I'm doing this before the

Monday night game, but obviously Herbert. does not have the offensive weapons. Mahomes clearly does not. You got Sequin Barclay. I saw Jared Verst today, said that Sequin is, he's like, you have never seen anything like that? I've been playing football for a while here. First year in the NFL, a couple years of Florida State.

We played a lot of big-time teams. Never seen anything. Like, I don't know what that was. It's like, welcome to the show, kid, because, well, and he's like, you don't see that many running back. that have that level of top end speed because it's really the last thing that like, you know, Adrian Peterson,

Chris Johnson, most running backs, a player can catch them, but it's pretty rare when you get a guy in the open field, like it's a rap. He's out the gate. And it's, as the announcer say, headed toward pay dirt. And that's what him, Derek Henry, you know, can do.

That's a problem for the Niners right now. Chris McAfrey gets a little green grass. It's like he's not running. Very fast. Love the pod. Dolphins fan. But asking about the Giants. I heard you with Colin talking about them starting DeVito

and how you said it was an embarrassment, which is true. Do you think they're possibly starting him because they are actively tanking? Clearly, Drew Locke is miles better than DeVito and gives them a fighting chance. But maybe that's not what they want. Maybe they're actually considering firing dayball drafting Chador

in trying to lure Dion away from Colorado. I guess it's possible. If you told me that was their grand plan, I'd be like, that's more impressive than anything they've done in the last six, seven years. So, I really think it was more of a business move.

And if they were considering firing dayball, why would you just fire him now? Like, I would just fire him now and start DeVito and just, I mean, listen, he's obviously their team's not playing well, but I would just remove him now if that was the case. So I think you'd be giving them a little too much credit. I also have a hard time, John Mara, Dion Sanders,

like to me, Dion's got more, you know, Dion, which I appreciate, it's got a little renegade to him. You know, Dion feels Jerry Jones, Mark Davis. I would be stunned. stunned if Dionne Sanders was the coach of the New York Giants. I could see him the Jets. A little more of a renegade franchise. The Jags?

Like, I have a hard time seeing the Giants. Dionne, you know, colors outside the lines, baby. John Marr, I just have a... I can't see it. Seasoning over yet, but I feel like Sequin has already cemented himself as an eagle. The same way Dion is always thought of as a cowboy, and not as a falcon.

I actually think of Dian is a four. He was one and done, but he won him a title. I would say it's been one of the more impressive starts to a season you'll ever see. It's pretty crazy. I don't think it's humanly possible to go any better. And I think the hard part about football with free agency is you just never know. It's not a plug-in-play sport like baseball. or even like basketball,

which is somewhere in the middle, there are so many, like, good players that sign free agent deals, and it just, you know, the scheme, the situation, whatever, it doesn't work. But, yeah, man, I, it's an all-timer right now. It's, if they were to make it to the Super Bowl

and Saquan has an MVP-level season, it'll go down as one of the great signings of all time. Because for $27 million, even if this is his best season of his career with the Eagles, if he rushes for like 1,900 yards, I mean, it'd be an all-timer, and then he plays well in the playoffs. Safe to say that Antonio Pierce has been a mistake.

Think maybe Mark Davis could be blind, but Brady definitely is not. Do you think he ultimately gets fired, and who would your guess be? to replace him. My question is this. You know, Mark gave him a sweetheart deal to buy some of this ownership.

And from what I was told, and maybe it's been reported, is like he was actively reaching out to Tom. I wonder how much pull Tom has and how active he even wants to be with like, now maybe Mark's asking him about, you know, Antonio Pierce and the current situation. But it would be a complete guess to go,

you know, active. I've said before, Mark should bring him in, should try to get him active in the operation. But Tom's kind of busy. Tom on Saturday and Sunday is with calling an NFC game. So it's not like

he's at the Raider games. So he's not there. I don't think he's there that much during practice. It's kind of unique because of his job. If he didn't have the broadcasting job, I would say I would be shocked if he's not more involved. But because of the broadcasting job, I don't

know, man. Can you make a pod about the Texans and how Bobby Sloick dropped off a cliff with his play calling? Yeah, I... The Titans are pretty good on defense. You know, that was going to be a tough game. Now, I didn't expect Will Levis to

make some of the best throws of a season, but the Titans are good on D. and one thing we know, especially inside on the defensive line, well, where do the Texans suck? interior offensive wine. So I think it's easy to blame Bobby Sloick. It could be, you know, the quarterback,

maybe he's lost some of his confidence. Maybe they're a tag team, like they're both kind of struggling. I love the show. I drive for Amazon. Gets me through the day. Trust me, my home. Hope keeps that company like many people rolling. People keep wondering what the problem is with the Niners.

But I feel like this is just a textbook definition of the year. from hell. Injuries, older players, and most importantly, Kyle having an off year. I think Kyle is a great coach, but I think he is a huge schematic rut. Does he have to revamp his whole scheme in the offseason, or is it more factoring, cleaning up the edges? Yeah, man, well, he's holding on to this defense like it's 2014. It's like, guys, no one's running the Seattle defense you're running anymore. Can you adapt? Like, you know what defense everyone's trying to pillage, the Ravens. How about you go hire a Ravens guy? It's like, no, we need Pete Carroll from 2014. It's like, you know, Kyle Pete's got fired last year

for the young hot shot, Mike McDonald from the Ravens, who just kicked your ass at Levi Stadium. You know, I think Kyle is a combination of two things. He's obviously really smart. He knows football and the offensive side of the ball really, really well. But he's also very stubborn. Really stubborn. And, you know, he's, he's just a very, very hard-headed, you know, this is not some 68-year-old. Like, this is a young hot shot who kind of thinks he's, you know, God's gift to football sometimes. And it's like, bro, you got to adapt. And I think it's hard when, you know, like Kyle this is not like

one, Kyle grew up rich Kyle grew up in a successful world and since he got to the NFL mainly has you know been a coordinator

really fast and based on like you know the Shanahan name if he sucked he would have fucking been a position coach the rest of his life

like he obviously is a dynamic coach who's had a lot of success and won a lot of games but like you got to have some other pitches and it's like his offense every fucking week, like Kyle, like, why can't you, and I get it,

because your offensive line sucks, you can't just spread it out and drop back the passing game. It's like you just drafted a fucking wide receiver in the first round. You got Kittle who you just put in the slot. You got a ton of wide receivers. You're paying debaul a bunch of money. Juan Jennings under contract. Christian McCaffrey can just flank out as a wide receiver.

Why not go like four or five wide? Why not mix it up? What were they doing yesterday early in the game? The Packers are like, well, they got this guy most people couldn't point out of a lineup playing quarterback so what do you think Kyle's going to do he's going to try to run the ball

what's going to be difficult in this game when I don't know they know the run's coming the run but Kyle can't just go well we'll just go four or five wide because it's not what we do it's not what we do why do you think Amazon was so successful

because his whole thing from day one was like we'll do whatever it takes for the consumer it's not about what I think is the right idea. What do they want? Shouldn't that be what an offensive coach does? What do I need to do to win this game?

Instead of like, we're just going to run our stuff, and then if the run game's working, all the play action stuff off that, and it'll be easy pickings. I think sometimes it gets very hard-headed with that. And I get it as a backup quarterback, but his offense looks the same every week, and it's like when it's working great,

but what about when it's not? Do you think it's possible for the Raiders to hire Spags if they fire Antonio Pierce. I know he had an opportunity to be the head coach for the Rams a while back, and it didn't go well. But he has done an excellent job turning the defense around from the Bob Sutton era. I'm a cheese fan and surprising that a team in the division wouldn't try to lure him away. You know, I text a buddy about this after I read the athletic did like an in-depth piece that was really, really powerful. It's one of the best things I've read this year.

And I said, do you think Spags could be the next head coach of the Bears? You know, Ryan Poles used to work with the Chiefs, knows him. And he's like, no chance. He's like, they would want to fire Poles and Kevin Warren immediately. Like Spaggs is 64 years old. And he's clearly one of if not the best defensive mind in the NFL. And his resume, I mean, he's got four championships as a defensive coordinator. And look at some of the list of people he's beat along the way.

from Tom Brady to Kyle Shanahan to, you know, you name it. I mean, they beat Joe Burrell a couple years ago, Josh Allen several times, Lamar Jackson, like he's beating Hall of Famers, all-time greats, the best offensive minds. And I think you get to a certain age, it's very, very hard to break through. You know, when you look back Bruce Ariens, who I think was a little younger when he got the Arizona job, Bruce is 72 now.

So in 2000, he became the Cardinal head coach in 2013. So he was like 61 years old. And it was a big deal when they hired him because he was an older guy. And it was clear, like he was a stud. Right.

But at 64, you get to the point, like, I think it's going to, my buddy told me he would be hard pressed to see it happening. Not that he doesn't deserve it, not that he's not a stud, but it's just hard once you get to a certain age. and in that article that I read on the athletic about Spags is Spags was kind of

you know understands that it might never come again and he's cool with it. You know, Dan Quinn's a good example. He's been outspoken that he didn't know if it was going to happen because last year if Ben Johnson takes Washington's job,

he doesn't get a head coaching job. And he's 10 years younger bags, but you could already see that manifest itself into, well, what if Dan Quinn had come back with the Cowboys this year? It's not like he'd probably get a job. All of a sudden, you just never get a job to become a head coach. And listen, most GMs never get a second shot. You get one shot, the overwhelming majority of them. Coaching, you can get a second shot, but a lot of times second shots helps to be a little younger. Right? When Andy got hired 10 years ago, he's in his mid-50s, right?

And obviously it had a ton of success with Philadelphia. Belichick, when he got rehired with the Jets, or excuse me, technically he had the Jets, but then he went to the Patriots. Like when he first got the Brown's job, he was young. And then when he got rehired with the Patriots, he was, I think, late 40s, early 50s. It's really, really difficult when you get in your 60s. And, you know, in Bruce's case, had never been a head coach in the NFL.

I think he was a head coach at Temple in the 80s. But in Spag's, case, he was a head coach so long ago and it went so bad. It's just a hard sell. And let's face it, like, these owners and these GMs are going to be more inclined to hire offensive minds. Fair or not. Congratulations on getting engaged. What is a playoff team question? You'd consider phony and will get bounced in the first round like Dallas last year. For example, What's a playoff team you think could make noise as a wild card? I would say the Texans and the Falcons are in major trouble.

I would say both those teams, you know, if it's Packers Falcons and Chargers, Ravens, Texans, I think the teams playing at home could be one and done really fast. I think once you get a little higher, you know, the bills, you know, the Steelers, if they're playing in a tight game, right, they're comfortable winning 21 to 18, but you play in that type game where it's 15 to 14 midway through the third quarter, you're one strip sack away, you know, a fumble, six,

all of a sudden you're down 21 to 15 headed in the fourth quarter, and you got to go, you know, 80 yards, score a touchdown. Maybe seven minutes left. So I would say Pittsburgh would be a team just the way they play. You could say, I guess, say the same thing about the Chiefs. It's just the Chiefs at home are going to just have such an advantage if they have the number one overall seed. I would say whoever wins, you know, if it's like Minnesota against Arizona or Seattle, you would say that they can easily lose that game.

Chiefs have made at least the AFC championship game for the last six years. How much of those extra games wear on a team? If they're playing one or two more games a season, then their closest rivals, does that have an effect? I don't see how it wouldn't. You know, I really don't.

I think there's a positive to it. You're very comfortable in that environment. You're very comfortable in these high stress millions upon millions of people are watching. It's win or go home. You are just used to your core group of players just know how to excel in that spot. I also think like, I don't know, man,

eventually it's going to catch up to you. And I think in the grand scheme of things, like when you take a step back and look at it from 20,000 feet, if the Chiefs were to lose in the first round, let's say, let's just say the, you know, I guess technically if they're the one seed to be the second round. So it's like the one and they're hosting the Ravens or they're hosting the Chargers. And they were to get upset because they would be favored at home.

It's not really that crazy when you say it out loud. Well, they've won three of the last five Super Bowls. They also went to another Super Bowl in that stretch. And the one year that they didn't make the Super Bowl, they lost in this crazy game to the Bengals where Mahomes might have had a concussion. It happened to Brady and Belichick. They lost a ton of games. They lost multiple Super Bowls.

They lost to Peyton Manning in the championship game when he was with the Colts. They lost to him in the championship game when he was with the Denver Broncos. They lost to the Jets in the divisional round. Shit happens. So I think regardless what happens to the Chiefs in the playoffs this year, obviously if they were to win the Super Bowl, it would be one of the greatest achievements in the history of sports.

It would be like a crowning achievement for the organization. You could argue going to, so they would win three straight, they've went in six years, they've been to five Super Bowls and they've won four of them

with three in a row. That's more impressive than anything Belichick and Brady did in the short term. But I got no issue of, you know, it doesn't happen. Whether the Steelers lose to a team that they're better than fans call for Talman's head.

They'll say he always lose the bad teams, and Talman should be fired. However, to me, the phrase, any given Sunday applies. The guys on the other team are professional football players too. Other good teams lose to worst teams as well, like Baltimore losing to Vegas. I didn't see anyone calling for Harbaugh to be fired. I think the difference with Harbaugh is like, John Harbaugh was just hosting the AFC championship game nine months ago. Like that happened. was hosting in favor to win that game.

So he was the number one seed. He won a playoff game to host the Chiefs. Mike Tomlin, who has done a remarkable job this year, wasn't his finest moment Thursday night, but on the whole, it's been impressive. Has not won a playoff game since 2016. 2016. We are a month, and as of recorded,

this about six days, so give or take, 37 days away from 2025. So you haven't won a game since 2016, a playoff game, and we are 37 days away from 2025. So there's a long period of like, we haven't done dick.

And it's not like we've been not winning, like we're in the playoffs all the time. And we just never win playoff games. And we've hosted a couple and lost. I'll give you a little past 2020s a weird year, but they got work by the brownies. So I just think you become polarizing when you don't have playoff success.

Okay, last question. Fellow Seahawk fan lives in the Bay Area. I have my opinions about the run game and the offense, but that's not the subject of the mailbag question. I wanted to give you a break from talking about football, so here's my question. What are your top five favorite sporting events? To help you out, all this mind.

The World Cup, March Madness, Little League World Series, like that little curveball, NFL playoffs, world series. I would say, like, do we take the playoffs as a whole? Because I would say, I would say, the NFL playoffs. I would separate the NFL playoffs in the Super Bowl. Playoffs are pretty awesome. Super Bowl is the best.

I would say the master's golf is really, really high on my list. I would say You know, the World Series, when you get the good matchup, like the Dodgers versus the Yankees, and the baseball playoffs in general, I think there's a flow to a baseball game because the home crowds are incredible. The buildup of each pitch is pretty riveting.

Like, I don't have a horse in the race, but watching the Yankees Cleveland series was fucking badass. So I would obviously, and I would include college football now. The college football playoffs are going to be awesome. Augusta National, the World Series

slash baseball playoffs in general. I think it's just fantastic theater. You know, March Madness doesn't quite mean as much to me anymore. Don't know any of the playoffs or players. You know, a lot of the legendary coaches

have since retired, so the group of coaches are not the group that I've grown up on. I don't know if I'd have that. And don't get me wrong, I watch it and I obviously gamble on it, but I just watch it because it kind of everyone else feels like they're watching it, not because if you told me I had to miss it,

I wouldn't lose any sleep. So I would say football, playoffs, Super Bowl. I'm going to add now the college football playoffs, the 12 teams, which I think is going to be really good. good. I would say Augusta National, but I think for me, you could include all the majors. The U.S. Open, the British Open. The PGA is by far the worst of the four, but I still really enjoy it. But there's a huge gap between the other three. I think the British Open for me is pretty high up there.

Augusta's number one, but I would probably put the British Open number two and then the U.S. Open. So I would cluster those together. I'm trying to think. You know, it's funny, when I used to work in radio, you know, especially local radio, you watch so much baseball and you watch so much basketball, because you're kind of talking about whatever's going on in your market. And when I work there, you know, the Giants from Winter World Series and the A's were in the playoffs and the Warriors had Steph Curry. So it's fun to watch these things. And then you start doing podcasts, you're like, I don't really want to watch this. I still enjoy watching the Warriors because of Steph Curry. But I went for like six or seven years where I never missed a game.

And part of it was I was doing it for radio. But then even when I got out from podcasting, I just enjoyed watching them. And the longer you do like what I'm doing now, you just watch what you want to watch. And you're like, I'll figure out a way to monetize it. And for me, it's basically just football and golf during non-football, you know, basically after the Super Bowl through, you know, up to training camp. And then I just pick and choose what I watch. Like I've never watched less NBA. I mean, I don't watch the regular season.

If a Warriors game is on, I will check it out. If they're playing a good opponent. But baseball, I grew up loving baseball. I swear to you. And like I said, I love the World Series. And really, the baseball playoffs. I watch so many of the Yankee games. I watched probably more Yankee games than I did even the Dodger games,

though the Dodger Padre series was good. I don't think I watched nine innings of baseball in the regular season. total. Now granted, like, I'm a Giants fan. I don't have like major league package, so I'm like, I'm not going to watch the Diamondbacks. I don't care. Tennis, you know, I saw Rafa Nidal retired. I will say this. Back in the day, you know, when I was in college and even up through like 10 years ago, if Rafa Nidal and Roger Federer and Jokovic or whatever the matchup were playing in the semis or the finals, I'm not a huge tennis guy. I wasn't missing it. And if you did turn it on and they were playing each other, it was riveting television. I would recommend Rafa has, not Rafa, but Roger, has a documentary on Amazon Prime.

I think it might just be called Federer. It's basically the last like 10 days. He retires. And then he plays this final. It's called like, I think the Davis Cup. And he's with Rafa Nidal as his teammate. And they play their last match. And I think Rafa just officially retired.

And it's just a powerful, like, their careers, how they were in or 20. It's a lot of like Rafa Nadal crying about Roger and Roger crying about them. Just it's it was a good watch. And I'm not even a big tennis guy, but it's, I would recommend it. So I appreciate it. Good question. And we will talk soon as in tomorrow.

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