The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - LIVE from The NFL Combine, Howie Roseman stops by, News from the day

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

John is LIVE from Indy at the NFL Combine bringing you all the info that you want. First, John sits down with his former boss and current Eagles GM, Howie Roseman. The guys dive into how the team can get back to The Super Bowl and what they need to have a top offensive line again. Later, John dives into the latest with the 49ers and Trent Williams and how they are at a standstill when it comes to a new contract, the future of AJ Brown in Philadelphia, Kirk Cousins getting released in ATL, the Browns QB situation, and MUCH more. Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are we doing, John Middlough? Three and out podcast. Live here from Indianapolis, where it was freezing, you know what, when I got off the plane last night. It was like 17 degrees. But we have been inside all day. We've been rubbing elbows. We've been shaking hands. I got Ben Johnson to smile.

Sala wants to play golf with me. We got a couple GMs. Well, Veech was supposed to come on, and then he pulled a Barry Sanders move on me, and I never saw him again. He was gone. So don't blame him. You had other stuff to do.

But I did get two guys. Howie Roseman, we will play that today. Now, we'll probably open the show with that. And I had him for like seven, eight minutes. He was, you know, these guys are running around. And then I got Jackson here with me. We're going to go through all the breaking news. I haven't really been online because you're just kind of running around this place.

And we're just going to go through some of the big headlines today, react to that, and that'll be the game plan. And then tomorrow I talk to John Schneider. We'll have Schneider on and probably do something similar with newsy stuff. And we'll grab other people that are walking around and see what's going on. But we're live from the combine for the next couple days. See if I get more sleep than I normally would, but a lot of people want to go get cocktails the night out on the town that are, you know, working in the NFL. And that's where you get the good gossip that I kind of give back on this podcast without quite telling what I know, but I kind of know. And it makes for good content.

So that will be the game plan over the course of the next week. And, yeah, so let's, you guys know the drill, subscribe to the podcast, wherever you listen to Apple, Spotify, all of our videos, the interview with Howie, the interview with John, this podcast, they're up on, up on Netflix, so go check that as well. Appreciate everyone that has. Let's just dive right into two-time Super Bowl champ. Harry Roseman. Okay, I have my former boss here, multiple-time Super Bowl champion. I'd say Future Hall of Fame, but after Belichick, you never know.

Howie Roseman, Howie. Dave Dombrovsky, I saw he said something recently, made some pretty big headlines. Do you want to pull a Dave Dombrovsky right now? No. No, I mean, Dave Dombrovsky is a Hall of Fame general manager, and unbelievable GM. So I would do anything that Dave did and think that's the right thing to do.

But I think where you're going with this is more a negative connotation. Not negative. Which he doesn't deserve. Not negative. He doesn't deserve because he is a great GM, a great person. And, you know, I do miss having you, man.

You know, he was, John, you were a good scout, man. You were a good scout. You had a lot of passion. I think we should tell your viewers, you know, how you were. You were persistent, you know. You would not hesitate to come in my office and tell me what you thought. You were not meek. I'm an aggressive human.

Same. We're on Netflix. Same. Same. I mean I... We're on Netflix. Well, not live, technically, but we will be in the next day or two. Just interviews on Netflix? No, my whole podcast is on Netflix. Really? Yeah, so we did that official like a month ago. So just everything's on Netflix. What does that go for that deal? Pretty good. You know? I wouldn't say, you know, like quarterback money, but I mean, it's pretty solid guard. Yeah? Well, maybe the way the economics are now in the league. It sounds like better than GM money. No, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't say that. I don't know. I don't know. Geez, we should be getting into the podcast business. What combine is this for you? 26. That's pretty crazy, huh? Yeah, yeah.

Get old? No, I'm not old. No, I said, does this get old? I don't think I'm old at all. Actually, I think I'm looking pretty good, you know? I think you do look good. Thanks, buddy. It's part of what we've got to do, right?

We want to meet the players. We want to get to know them as well as possible so we can make good decisions. It gives an opportunity to see people you don't see all year, which is huge. And it really completes the process because you're looking at the tape. You're getting the numbers that match the tape, hopefully. You're getting to interview guys, and you're getting the medical. And you need all four pieces of that information to make good decisions. One thing I remember is every team we'd play, you'd watch the free agents,

and then throughout the year you'd watch the different draft guys. your role is obviously, I'm sure, changed a little bit. Are you still able to, like, come into this, all the free agents and the draft guys? Was it the same as 10 years ago? Yeah, I would say I'm probably more draft than I am free agents. I start watching the draft guys when we report back to camp, training camp in July, because really you're thinking about it. We got one practice.

We watch the practice. And then we're around the rest of the day. And so it gives a great chance to kind of start the draft process in July and August and really figure out throughout the practice. the course of the season, the guys that you like, because they don't change that much over junior tape or sometimes, you know, even sophomore tape. And then with free agency, you know, if you draft well and you develop your players and you resign them, you should really be targeting free agency. So you can really do that in a more targeted way. But the draft, you got to know

every player in the draft. And really, that's been a huge key to our success. So like you said, target free agents, I mean, everyone does that. I know how you guys operate. So you come here, what would you say that number is of guys? You're like less than 10, right? In terms of free agency? Yeah. I think where we are as a team right now, you know, we're really, we have a lot of players on our roster who are going into their second contracts,

whether it's this year, next year, or third year. And you can look on defense. You know, we've drafted a lot of defensive guys and guys who played at a high level. And so you'd really rather retain your own guys, the guys that you know that you've lived with, and then periodically dip into free agency. agency and obviously you know when you can do that get some bang for your buck and if you're letting

your guys go you're getting more picks which means you have to be even more tight on your draft and I think that's exciting you know like you have this core base of players that are eagle players that are on their second contracts and you're adding on to it and you're adding on to it and you're adding on to it you know I was thinking you know Brandon Graham retired I know he came back Lane's getting older Kelsey retired Fletcher retired like that's a core group of like Hall of Famers your role now for those four those four four guys. So how do you replace that? Well, I think that those four guys were special guys, you know, and those guys were with me really through a lot of ups and downs. And, you know,

you lost Kelsey, you lost Fletch, you lost BG, came back, and now you have Lane. And so you got to replace them with great players and great people. And I think that we've done that. You know, you look at the players on our team who can make game changing plays, who I think have potential to be Eagles Hall of Famers, maybe NFL Hall of Famers. And that's, you know, that's, you look at the players. That's important. You have to have difference makers on your roster. Those are the guys that really show up when you're talking about big games. You're talking about late in the year. And so we're trying to have as many difference makers as we possibly can within the confines of the system that we work in. I know you got a run. So I did, I've been thinking about this for a couple days. Yeah, you got me a couple times. The league when I was with you was much more old school in terms of trades. You know, there were a couple, but you were kind of on the forefront of that baseball, I mean, your friends always baseball and basketball GM. For sure.

But now you look around, a lot of your peers are like wheeling and dealing. So is the league easier for you that more people are willing to talk or harder because more people are bidding for stuff that you're like, we don't even need to bid as much because we don't have seven teams going for it. I haven't thought about it like that. You know, I think for me, it's constantly finding the edges. It's constantly evolving, you know, as a GM, constantly trying to figure out the areas that you can improve on. The areas that maybe you can find value in. And that's what I love about this, you know.

It's just a humbling league. And for me, when you see that there are areas that you can continue to grow, that you can continue to develop, and that you can't just keep doing the same things and expect the same results, it keeps you on your toes. I love what we do. And I think that when you have passion for something and you're trying to find ways to improve, you know, it gives you a chance to compete at the highest level. So you did a good GM talk right there, but what's the area that you're going to attack right now that no one knows about? Hi, Howard Roseman. John, nice to meet you.

You think I'm telling you that? Okay, we got a standing tea time. Robert Salva, Arizona owners meetings. Do you want in? Well, you got one kid. I have four. Well, you're going to be at the owners meetings. I'll be back at home.

Well, I was hoping more that you were going to give me your advice. Remember when you go on the road and I tell, what did I tell you? Give me a restaurant in the city I am and then I'm going to judge you for your evaluation of the food. I'd go Dominic, the steakhouse. You've probably eaten there before. I would say the. mastro's. You're doing this on your podcast.

You know, you're going to exercise. Have you been to the mission before in Scottsdale? You're probably eaten there. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's good. I would say Dominic's best-stakesh. I'm going to call you up to get me a reservation because I know you got ends with all those people.

Yeah. It's good to see you, brother. Good to see you too, Howie. Thanks for having me. See you. Okay, let's fire over to some thoughts from the day from me and Jackson. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hard Rock Band, Florida Sportsbook.

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I just got to ask for a podcaster like yourself, full time, you had a baby, you haven't been out of the house in a while. How does it feel talking to that many people today? The social reel we're about to post, the faces in the hands that you shook today. The program's got to be proud. I did get out on Saturday and played some golf. and it turned out it was a legendary meltdown. 89?

That he was having. No, not me on the course. I'm talking the kid. Right before I was leaving, she was like, yeah, go enjoy yourself. And two times it won. And right around like 1130 loudest screams and cries he's ever had. And it went all the way until I left. I'm like, that ain't good.

I guess he calmed down, but when I came back, it was bad. So, you know, getting here, trying to integrate back into society. and my little man is doing well. Maybe it's just me, you know, that brings bad juice to him. So, yeah, you just, you got to do what you got to do, you know. I'm kind of, I'll do whatever for the show. Yeah. And I won't for most things in life, but when it comes to the podcast,

very passionate, and it's my life. So I do things, again, I, like introduce myself to Robert Sala and Ben Johnson. I've met Sala before, but Ben Johnson, he was, he had mentioned that Colin, thought he saw a coward at a restaurant. And then I made a joke that if Colin would have seen him, you know, Colin would have ran over to him and talked to offense. And I got Ben laughing. So it was, uh, you met John Harbaugh, too.

Met John Harbaugh. I'd met him briefly a long time ago. But these guys, these guys mean so many people. If you don't know them, they'd never remember you. She's got to introduce yourself. I introduced myself to every single person and half these people, I'm not even talking like coaches. I'm talking like media people, like Tom Pellasaro.

I've known him for like 15 years. He's like, bro, why did you introduce stuff? I'm just in the habit of like, hey, John Middlecough. You know, so you're like, hey, John Middlecalf. That's the type networking thing. Like, I'm not in these events. A lot of people listening to this, which I respect the hell out of you that are in sales, that go to these conventions, like you're used to doing this stuff.

When you get out of that world, you kind of, maybe you kind of come back into it and you don't even care. So you're just kind of, you're just ruthless. But if you do it a lot, I can see where I would drive you nuts. Your social battery can just, my social battery is cool. Again, I'm talking to people that I would want to talk. to. Yeah. But it takes a lot of energy. I haven't eaten, hopefully lost like five pounds because I'm kind of fat. And yeah, just rocking and rolling. At least 10,000 steps today. So what, I mean, part of today, you know, you, me, people in this business, we kind of like fall stories. You kind of

lose track of things. And so much is happening. So much is firing. So what I thought, let's get Jackson, get the top stories of the day. You rattle them off and I'll just react to what's going on. Yeah, let's start with the top one. This one happened later. in the day. Five-time all-pro left tackle Trent Williams scheduled to carry a $39 million cap number this season. He and the 49ers were struggling to agree on a compensation, a solution. If the two sides can't bridge their differences in the standoff, Williams would be expected to join this year's free agent class. According to Adam Schaefter, it's not an off-season without a 49er being a little angry about some extra money,

Mr. Middlecuff. Well, their offensive line is not good, and he's one of the greatest offensive linemen of all time, and he loves his money. Now, what makes us, we're recording this before, John Lynch is talking like midnight. I'm like, I'm not waiting for John Lynch to talk. And I'm sure he'll say, like, we plan on figuring it out. They don't want to cut Trent Williams.

No. But Trent only has so many years left. He sees these young offensive tackles get paid $30, $35 million. And I don't even blame him. Like, he's got leverage in the sense of like, I'm one of the greatest players of all time. I'm by far the best offensive. lineman on this team. You could argue I'm the best player on this offense. You know,

technically it was kiddle, but he's got a tourney Achilles. You know, McCaffrey's didn't quite look the same this year. Now, Trent's older too, but yeah, I mean, this is the part of dealing with older players is like every year Trent wants a race, which not ideal to do business that way, but if you're Trent, like, I kind of understand it. Like, how many years he's got left? So you got to take advantage of it. An extra $10 million. Trent's no dummy. Like when he's retired in like 43, there probably ain't many jobs paying him like that 30 million.

You got to strike when the iron's hot and his iron's still hot because the Niners need him. They love him. I mean, he's a Kyle's guy. You just can't cut Trent Williams. So it's like, the story's cool, and I understand it. They're probably angry at each other.

Maybe Trent wants that out. But I'll promise you this. I would be, besides like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes. I would put him in the top 10 list of like 49ers cut Trent Williams. I wouldn't believe you. Does this ponder to the fact, they draft the 27th. Obviously they probably need receiver help with how deep this receiver class is.

Does the left tackle come to the brain of John Lynch, even though the left tackle slim? 49ers don't draft offensive lineman. They've done it like McGlinchy when they first got there. They got very lucky that Trent loves Kyle when Trent retired for like a year. then came back. He's like, I'm never playing for the commanders. They were the Redskins or the football team at the time. I can't even keep up. But was like, I'm not playing here again. They're like, okay. So the 49ers, Joe Staley just retired, offered a third round pick. The Vikings offered more money and a second round pick. But Trent's like, I'm only playing in San Francisco. So this whole thing, now they deserve credit because Kyle and his dad drafted them. So they love, like, they were close. But they got lucky the way it all played out. But there's no, like, most Josh Simmons last year. who got drafted by the Chiefs. Remember, he was injured. Like, usually guys like that aren't sitting there in the late 20s, early 30s.

So the 49ers, once upon a time, I think, took Joe Staley, like, 27 or 28. He was a converted tight end, like, I think he was, like, Western Michigan or one of that. And obviously it was, like, seven, six-time Pro Bowl or excellent pick. Most of your top tackles aren't, like, Jordan Milata, the seventh-round rugby player. You know, they're usually Lane Johnson, Trent Williams, Joe Alt, like, you usually drafted high. Slater of the Chargers, you know, who's your tackle that you had forever in Arizona who's drafted, first rounder, right? Paris Johnson, DJ Humphreys.

What round were those guys drafted? First round. Yeah. But usually high. Yeah. So I think it's, I think it becomes like a difficult proposition of you just got to pay them. But you, it's weird because you're like, I don't love paying a 38-year-old giving them like guaranteeing them like $50 million.

But again, this is where Trent has the. them by the balls. Like if this is a negotiation tactic, Trent Williams got the levered. Cut me. Is it a two-year deal he wants, a three-year deal? He just wants money guaranteed and a lot. I don't think it's about like five years. The top guy's making 35, like I want guaranteed a lot of money. And I think that's been his consistent theme. I got to be the highest paid guy or I got to be one of the highest paid guy. And you just naturally, when you don't sign a new deal in a couple years, it kind of dips. So, but that's the part of, like, he ain't alone.

Like, that story got out. There's maybe not as, like, future Hall of Famers, but there are pro bowlers all around the league right now that want to race. Said it forever. Money's all relative. Whether you make $30 grand a year or whether you make $30 million a year, that money is relative to your life and relative to what you do for a living and how you judge yourself against your peers.

And in football, you know how much all your peers make. It would be no different if instead of $30 million a year, the number was $300,000 a year. Players would want $320,000. Like, he wants $32 million, whatever the number is. So I just think it's like, this is football. And what makes football different basketball and baseball is like, the contracts are all kind of fake. So it's like, well, Trent's owed what? It's all kind of funny money.

Yeah. He knows. Speaking of guarantee, it's something that the Eagles head coach Nick Seriani can't guarantee is that A.J. Brown will be back for the Eagles this season. Now, Eagles, general manager, Howie Roseman, comment about A.J. Brown and said it's hard to improve by subtracting great players. So you got Siriani that says he can't guarantee anything. You got Roseman that it says it's hard to improve when you subtract great players. Thoughts on that and what's going to happen with A.J. Brown.

Well, I thought, like, a couple weeks ago, it might be hard to trade for him because he's like a little older. But he's not that always, like 28, 29. Makes a lot of money. I don't think that's I was wrong I actually think it would be pretty easy for them to trade them they definitely get a second round pick

but you know putting my ear to the ground talking to some people they're not just going to give them away for like pick 50 I don't think like I don't think they're desperate to give them away like I thought like people on the outside think so could they get

the Patriots 31st pick or something like that if they would have to think about it but I don't think I originally thought he was going to be somewhat of a bargain if a team was willing to take a salary, maybe give him an extension. I don't think the Eagles are just going to hand him off. So my guess would be we're going to see a lot of different stories come out about the competition. Eagles want more.

I think that's going to be a lot. Eagles want more. Okay, second. I want your second this year and second next year. I think it's going to ask for a lot because I don't have to give them away. Do you think the Raiders that I'm looking at the second round, 36 or Giants at 37, would get one of those? or is that too valuable on their end where they're trying to get things going? I think for the Raiders, I think you've got to use that.

It's like, you've got to get some linemen. Yeah. They've done that. Remember, they traded for Devante Adams and it blew up in their face. I do not think the Raiders can be in that business. I mean, a lot of people think that Max Crosby might not even get traded. So if you're going to keep Max Crosby, could you entertain bringing A.J. Brown to go with Fernando Mendoza, but then your offensive line sucks.

Yeah, I mean, I would say the Giants would be a team that would sniff around. But is Harry Roseman going to trade him to John Harbaugh and the New York Giants? That's true, the indivision. I always forget about that. There are certain trades like Veach would love to get Max Crosby. But it's a non-starter. Remember how he was like sniffing around Micah Parsons last year? It just doesn't happen.

Which I understand. You cannot, to me, trade superstar players. they'd have to give you like, you know, 500% of value on an individual to make it worth it. Speaking of star players, John Spitech was asked today about Star Defensive and Max Crosby, and he expects him to play in 2026 amid the trade speculation. I mean, that's typical GM talk. I'm assuming the fact that he's going to probably go out and at least hear from the outside noise. What are your thoughts on SpyTech in the whole?

Say it again, I wasn't really listening. We're in a days right now. We've been here since like 9 a.m. I got a text from my wife and I couldn't tell it, but it was kind of stupid. Spitech expects Crosby basically to be on the team this next year, amid the trade talk. That's kind of what you expect him to say, right? Yeah, I think he's got to say that now. And I think he does believe, like, he does want it to work out.

I was talking to someone, and I'm in total agreement, like, Max Crosby's everything you'd want in a high-end player. he's a great player plays his ass off he'll play injured he is now like married kid sober for years you don't have to worry

about any of that crap he's in the facility constantly he's an all-in guy like to me I think the more quote unquote all-in guys you can have like part of the 49ers they had no business being that good this year

but they got a lot of all-in guys like George Kittles all his feet like he ain't jumping out the boat you know McCaffrey's like that Fred Warren like that, Max Crosby is wired like dudes that would play for the Chiefs, dudes that would play for the New England Patriot Brady Belt. Like that's who you want.

So to me, I mean, I'm asking for a lot. Now, I would trade them because I do think it's time to kind of blow it up, start over. But like when I hear, you know, you're not going to get as much of Michael Parsons. Then you're not getting Max Crosby. And I know you want Max Crosby's under contract. One thing I heard is like the injuries. He's been injured the last couple years at the end of the season. But even this year, he could have kept playing.

It's not like, there's one thing if you're injured and you, oh, he only played seven games. He plays in games. So I think you get two first round picks for him. And I think if you get two first round picks for him, if you're the Raiders, I think you've got to think about it. The problem I bet he's saying is like, then we get Fernando on this awful team. Our defense is worse. Even if we draft offensive linemen, they're young, it's probably going to be a long year no matter what. I'm a spy tech fan.

I'm rooting for this Raider operator. I like Fernando Mendoza. but eventually you've got to pull off the Band-Aid. And he is, how often do you get guys 28, 29 with the lead value? Like Miles Garrett was rare last year. He was like over 30. It was like the whole league would have traded two first round picks and two second round picks for him. Pretty rare.

Right? And he's, but he's like one of the great talents of all time. Max isn't as talented as Miles. But like Miles shows up late to meetings and shit. But no one cares. He's so good. He's kind of like an NBA player. Where Max is more wired like an NFL guy, like an all-ean.

guy or just I guess there are a lot of drama guys in the NFL too but you don't there's not much drama there so to me I think you would get you know Mike Mike is a better player because he's younger but he also cost them 188 million dollars max doesn't cost you anything because he's already under contract at a relatively low number you just have to give the draft capital so I think I think there are going to be a lot of stories about offers and I think a lot of people are going to come in like we'll give you a first and a second and I think they're going to get you a at Nose, but I do think they'll end up getting two ones and a player or something. Well, you spoke to Howie Roseman, John Schneider, Eagle Seahawks,

rumored to be some of those teams to go after Max Crosby and Bears 2. Do you kind of expected to be more of an NFC team or you think it's kind of like, we're going to open the book to anybody, even the AFC itself. But if I'm Spitech, apparently what he said, he's going to try to keep him and kind of get that leader moving forward in this new regime with Kubiak. I think two teams that would want them would be the Chiefs and the Chargers. They ain't trading them there. No.

I'm sure Denver would be interested too. So like three of the best teams, I know the Chiefs didn't make the playoffs this year, but like Denver the Chargers playoff teams, Chiefs five at last six Super Bowls, those are like three of the best teams in the AFC that aren't even available because they would never even, they were not even talking. The Bills would be an interesting team. Raven's new coach, I don't know. But Matt and Aggie is for.

first year with the bears. They traded for Cleo Mac. So a lot of teams will be sniffing around. With the Bengals, why wouldn't they be all over? Oh my gosh. That'd be a great fit. The NFC teams make more sense. Niners, Rams, Bears, lions, Eagles, Seattle, like all the heavy hitters would be interested in them. When's the last time the Bengals been a big trade? Yeah, they won't. They're cheap. No chance. Texas GM, Nick Casario, called trade speculation about his quarterback C. CJ Stroud Moronic and insist that the team is not trading CJ. Is there trade speculation? Is that out there? I guess. Well, I think part of it is he's going into his fourth year, so they'll pick up his fifth year option.

His agent is Morgeta, the heavy hitter. They like getting their guys paid. But it's like you don't have as much juice right now. Like you're not going to get a big quarterback contract. And we've been talking about this of like if you pay Josh Allen, if you pay Lamar, if you pay Patrick. It's like, okay, well, once you, like, C.J. Shroud has proven, like, he's in, like, the DAC or cousins when he's good, and he, you know, he's kind of been hit or miss. Like, he's had some Tua, Kyler. You get in a weird spot when you pay the wrong guy, the crazy amount of money. So to me, the moves easy.

We're not trading C.J. Stroud, but he's also just going to be on his rookie contract. He was the second pick in the draft, so he ain't making purdy money. He's making millions of dollars, and it'll be all starting quarterback nature. and if he crushes it, we'll give him $200 million. But if he doesn't, I would say next year would be a pivot point. Next year is, you could argue in terms of money. Next year's, he's got more on the table because it could go. If you told me the Texans are in the AFC championship game and he throws 35 touchdowns, he'll get a huge contract.

Do you tell me it goes a little weird? The Texans are not doing that. Now, he would have trade value, but I think Casario, I introduced myself to him today because when I was at Fresno State, the Patriots always took a bunch of our players, is his interviews are some of the best GM interviews today. Because he's, like, confident, he's not, like, insecure about what he's saying. He just talks football. And he's good at, like, kind of gets nerdy football, but, like, in a very digestible way.

You know, how he's good at, like, avoidance. It's like, how he. But I get it because, you know, Philly, they will, it's crazy. Because here you're in Houston, he's, he's, been trained by Belichick, but he's his own guy. I'm telling you, I think his GM press conferences are awesome. And I agree he's not getting traded. But he's also not getting an extension. It's kind of good timing for the Texas, though, because everyone talks about the 2027 quarterback class. And I don't want to give it too much hype because we did have hype on the 2026 draft class.

I mean, oh, we had a ton. Aller, Kubi, or our Kubiak, Aler, Clubnik, Nussmeier, Beck. All will be here this week, but all will be projected later on. Don't you think it's kind of good timing, I guess? that like you're going to have to pay Will Anderson soon. C.J. Shradd, if he does think, you do have, I don't want to say Davis-Mills is going to be the future, but just a manageable quarterback like a Sam Donald. You don't need a guy that's going to go out there. Just a guy that doesn't turn the ball. That's what I'm saying.

They need, because clearly Casario, one thing he learned from Bill, remember when he took Stingley? People thought he was crazy. Stingley was the best corner in the league, or one of them. Will Anderson move was palsy. Even Woody Marks this year was a good pick. Casero is really good at his job. That team is going to be well run for a while.

The only way you can derail a well-run team is by giving a quarterback who is not worth. Because, again, CJ ain't signed in like two years, $40 million. So it's like he's kind of in the no man's land right now. And he, to me, my biggest beef with him is like, bro, just right now you can develop into this. Play more. They hate the term game manager, but just play more like fucking Ryan Taneyhill did for Vrable and the Titans. If he had done that or what Alex did for, they could have won the Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan said there were two teams.

They could have won the Super Bowl. If their offense and special teams didn't screw it up, it was Seattle. And Sam played better than that and Houston. And CJ was, because he is talented, but he is closer, like, his style to golf than he is, like, Lamar and Josh and Patrick. And sometimes I think he's like, well, I'm fucking those guys. It's like, bro. I mean, the playoffs was, it was outrageous. So bad.

It was, and I was rooting for it. I had money on them to make them a Super Bowl, a huge future bet that was kind of like a long shot. And it was like, I didn't have a chance. Honestly, if their defense wasn't as good, remember how bad that the playoff game was in Pittsburgh? And to me, coming from New England, part of their operation was like,

Brady's the greatest quarterback ever. But Brady did a lot of like, and this is going to sound like a, I don't know, negative. Dinkin' Dunkin, Duncan, Dunk. like, hey, my best option is just a little checkdown. Do you know what doesn't win you games? It's like throwing a pick in a tie game in the third quarter on the road in the playoffs. And CJ threw like seven of them in that game.

So to me, that was, that's where Domeco is probably tailor-made for this, like, modern-day kind of sport. Because it is. A lot of people talking about him. He's from Ohio State. He's just a lot of people are paying attention to him. And typically Texans, like, kind of an under-the-radar team. it's on Domingo to kind of work with him. And that's Domingo's personality.

He's like him and Sala. They're just great with players. They really just got to kind of like, bro, we don't need you to like carry the franchise. Will Anderson and those guys have that cover. Yeah. Let's face it. Will is the star of their team by a mile.

I mean, he's one of the best players in the league. But in fairness to CJ, on the second overall pick, I'm from what I'll say on the quarterback, I'm telling you, I don't think players sometimes, which can be scary, I think next year I'm more fascinated to watch CJ Stroud than most players because, like, is he cool with, like, taking a little bit of a step back? I'm sure they're going to have a better running game. They have the Washington Commander's second round pick, which is like pick 37.

Like the Texas could be even better from a roster standpoint next year. Yeah, 38. So it's like, CJ, just play like DAC did five years ago. I feel like the game manager role or term, it was Kim Newton that made it not appealing. when he called out Brock, wasn't it? No, because Alex, like Alex Smith used to get called that a lot. I don't get why that's a bad thing. The 49ers and the Chiefs, they were going to the playoffs every year.

Yeah. Like, not everyone can be like John Elway or Brett Forfe. You know, most people aren't Aaron Rogers 2014. Like, if your team's legit, ask Sam Darnold, what was, like, managing a lot of those games this year. Pretty cool, he's a Super Bowl champ. Yeah. And there are going to be a game or two if your team's loaded where they're going to need you.

Okay. that playoff game for CJ, they did not need them. It's like, bro, play under control. You will win this game. The Texans are better in the Patriots. If you remove the quarterbacks, I don't even think it's close. I mean, I like, I respect for Able and what they've done. Patriots are one of the worst Super Bowl teams of all time.

I do think the Texas receiver group got better towards the back end. Like both the rookies, Christian Kirk broke out. Nico Collins, I think, was hurt during the playoffs too. But moving on two. It would be a bigger story, I think. if this exact team, the Texans, the way, how good they are, or the Eagles, or the Niners, or the Packers. Because, like, they are that good, non-quarterback.

There's not a big brand. And then it just depends on the state of Texas and the Cowboys. They're just, I mean, they play in the state of Texas and the Cowboys there. Two teams that are planning the tag players. Let's go Falcons, plan to tag Kyle Pitts. Jets plan to tag Breeze Hall. And alongside the Falcons tagging Kyle Pitts, they're set to release Kirk Cousousers, which doesn't seem like a shock, but it's like,

wonder what they're going to do a quarterback for the Falcons. That didn't go well. That was Cousins. You think Trent's greedy. You know, Cousins just made $100 million. I don't know if he won many games his last couple years. I see him doing pot. We need to have him on the podcast.

He's great. Oh, he's great on TV. The CBS coverage he did for the AFC championship game? I think he's making that transition. And he'll be, you watch, like, three years he'll get like a Tony Romo contract. People were like, cousins, how's he doing this? He's like the Warren Buffet of football. I think a lot of people were like,

Kyle Pitts is going to be one of the main targets, you know, this free agency, but he would look pretty sweet last year. And to me, Stefansky, they had, what's his name, Najoku. Like, you get that tight end with that running back. It's like pretty nasty. So I think you don't really have a choice. Who was the other guy? Breeze Hall for the Jets. I think that's kind of crazy.

Yeah. Like, I think, to me, running backs, he better be like Bijon and his pride. I mean, respect the guy. He's injured all the time? Yeah, I think people think he's like a well-rounded, catches the ball well. Hot take. And again, I've heard him interviewed. Seems like a great guy.

Purdy's teammate, resurrected Iowa State with Matt Campbell. Honestly, those two guys help put Matt Campbell on the map, right? I just think he got talked about, and I'm not a big fantasy guy. But I felt like all the fantasy guys were like next to Marshall Folk. I was like, could be the Jets. if he goes somewhere else and it's like Christian McCaffrey it's truly the Jess. I thought he was going to come to Arizona.

That was the whole speculation is that Arizona was going to cut James Connor and go after prez-in. Coached him when he was in Riong. Yeah. But it's just paying the running back like that. I would rather go out in the draft and get somebody or trust Trey Benson. Solanao, Tennessee.

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Deshawn Watson competing for the quarterback one spot, and he said any player on a roster, we would want to compete, we believe in competition. Thoughts on Deshawn Watson competing for the quarterback one job. Well, my thing with Andrew Barry is always this. Personally, I've heard he's a great guy, clearly very intelligent. As someone whose intelligence is probably in the lower end, Ivy League guy, sharp. I do think if he coached, or I mean was the GM of, again, bigger brands, bigger media markets, his team always loses. And for this Ivy League smart guy, they have more, I'm not even counting Deshaun Watson.

They've had multiple guys they've drafted immediately get arrested. If that happened to like John Lynch or Howie, it would be a fucking war zone. It was like, he's media likes them because I've said this forever. Media's well read. A lot of these guys, good, good high-level institutions. And they're like, kind of gets a pass. Stavansky kind of did too. Stavansky, I believe, guy.

But like how much and maybe Andrew Barry would tell me when no one was looking, my owner's crazy, probably true. Did Andrew Barry want to Sean Watson? Somebody needs to write a book on that. because he didn't want to go to Cleveland, and the only way you can give him that much money is the owner's got to sign the check. So that's the owner clearly, heavily involved. Last year, the Dylan Gabriel thing, then taking Chador. I mean, it's just, they do a lot of stuff that other teams would get crucified.

Players going to jail, losing all the time, taking two quarterbacks in the third and fifth round, when one quarterback, who I don't think could hit the wall over there, I mean, most people had Dylan Gabriel as an undrafted free agent. And that might have been Stefansky, which I don't even blame him. A lot of coaches don't evaluate well. I'll even give Andrew Berry a pass on that one. I think there's a terrible pick.

But my coach wants him, he's the quarterback guy. I just think the Brown's got a lot going on. He did draft the defensive rookie the year, too, in the second round. Carson Sletchinger, Sweatinger, good pick. They had a good draft. That guy, the old Miss Ohio State. Even Shador with the value is good. Samson, Judkins, running backs.

Judkins was a monster before he broke. He was like, they're draft. See, that's what happens. They're fucking terrible. They're awful. And then people are like, oh, his draft class was incredible. You're paid to win games.

The Browns are always suck. They're just so bad. And I just think that, like, think of Tomlin and Harbaugh got crucified. I mean, Tomlin has been taking shit now for like a decade. And that's why he's the one. Minimum was going nine. Nate every year. If you had one of those years, which I respected this year, this is where I,

Andrew, let's stay on Andrew Berry. When they traded Flacco and Tomlin came out, he's like, what a fuck are we doing here? You would trade a guy inside, because like the analytic, like, I just, I'm not into it. I'm not. And I just think these Brown stories just exhaust me. I feel for their fans because they clearly love football. Luckily, a lot of them have Ohio State. I just think they get a pass. I'll give them a pass on Deshawn Watson, but the whole thing. Because again, it's like, they're draft class. The Travis Hunter trade, they get credit for that, right? They got two first round picks. It's like, see? Well, they got all these, they never win. I mean, they just, the whole point is to win. Like, Howie and Josh Schneider, they do some stupid

shit too, but miss them draft pick. Their point is to win every Sunday. Like, that's, that's what they're paid to do. Especially you felt like this was like the worst year of that division in a while. They hired Todd Munkin. Like, that's the craziest, weirdest hire of all time. And it was pretty clear. People weren't taking their job. And here's the other thing. They force guys to write essays.

I'm a football coach. These guys are football coaches. I'm trying to write a damn essay. They have a whistle around their neck. At the end of the day, they are, even if we want to dive in, these are billion-dollar businesses, can the guy, I don't, I communicate verbally with you, right? it's the medium of the communication in the role in which you play you never write besides maybe some powerpoints or stuff to talk to the dean why would I need to write an essay

I'm sorry I just think it's kind of a clown show and the second guy Panthers head coach Dave Canales we walked by and we talked about how we ran a flea flicker in the rain against Tampa Bay he said that his offense coordinator Brad Idzik will call plays in 2026 so he could take a more global approach to the team. Jealous of Canalesis is waistline. He's skinny, man. He's just a good shape. He's a good shape, man.

See some of these guys like, God, how do you say so fit? There's a lot of, I'm not going to lie. It's super off topic. A lot of NFL network insider guys, and a lot of people I see on TV are a lot shorter than I thought coming into this. I feel tall. 5'10. It's like Hollywood.

You know, if you went, Tom Cruise, like 5'4, you know? I was just happy I'm taller than rap sheet. That was my biggest thing. That's your you're comparing yourself to? I mean, rap sheet and chef are combined like 6'8. You know, so. Yeah, it's not, let's face it, this group, the media, you know, they like to eat. That food comes out, that food's gone.

You know, we miss that. We miss the run all of a sudden. We're starving. Not a lot of former athletes. Yeah, force fast on us, but it is what it is. Canales. I forgot what we were talking about. They made the playoffs this year.

That's pretty correct. They did. At 8-9. Hosted a playoff game. I saw, I don't know, were you going to talk anything about Aaron Glenn? Because I did see Aaron Glenn. No, I was it. I saw, he must have said this.

He was pretty fired up. Of all the people in here, the one I felt the worst for, it's like, God, so I was getting up on that podium and talking to me with the judge coach. Next to John Harbaal, too. I was like, God, that's a tough gig right now. Not all your fault. I mean, last year was bad, but, like, you inherited the Jets. Like, it's not, I don't put that on Aaron Glenn.

But he said today that calling plays is my superpower. I never understood this why you didn't call plays last year. Now, the team wasn't going to be good, but I think if you're a head coach and you can do it, like clearly Canal is a pretty good play caller. Was it good with Baker? Like they had a lot of, I mean, didn't Ted McMillan, wasn't he the offensive rookie the year? Yep. Like, he's good at it.

I would never as a head coach. If I'm talented at it, I would never give that up. Like, I get it. The Tomlins, the Harbaugh's brothers. They're good at like they can do the CEO thing. really well. Sirianni is good at it when he has the right coordinators. You've got to call the place if you're like,

Canalus, to me, should be calling place. And I'dc might be, his dad used to be the GM of the Jets back in the day. Back in the day, probably 10 years ago. But to me, I'm not big on giving up the play calling. Because that's where things get weird. They start blaming people, start firing people. Aaron Glenn was like solid last, two years ago. They had no players.

They go into the Minnesota Viking game. and Aaron Glenn, like Solo this year, won a game with me, you, and seven other media members. Like, how did he just do it? Like, and that's why he got hired because he was like this fiery relates to the players, and he's great schematically getting guys to play above. I think I heard Tomlin say this. Like, my job is not getting, you know, whoever my hall, Troy Paul Moll, or something in his prime. Like, at the end of the day, once he gets to a certain level, like, your mom can coach that guy.

it's finding like the C players and making them a B. It's finding the B minus guy and making him a B plus A minus. It's finding a random like D plus C minus guy and like, shit, you made that guy a B. That's coaching. What Aaron Glenn and Robert Saul is like they can kind of take anybody when they're coordinators. Like that's impressive. Because clearly if I give them like, what do you think it's going to look like if I give Aaron Glenn, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby and Aaron Donald?

His defense is going to be awesome. But I've seen him like take random guys. I've seen Robert Saul take random guy. so you know you can do it. And then you just become the CEO. Like it's got to be a weird feeling for those guys, I think. Kind of just sitting there, like during the week. I know they're probably going to meetings and stuff, but I think that's just where you get,

you're typically taking a head coaching job on a bad team. You're going to lose. Then people start pointing fingers. Your owner gets pissed. The fans get loud. This league has never been louder. I mean, one thing, talking to someone, who was I talking to about this? I asked a coach earlier today.

like what's changed. It's like, we're now, football is the number one television show in America. Not the number one. We talk about the number one sport. It's the number one television show. And it's like a lot of this,

a lot of social media that gets put on the players and then becomes content. It's all like under the same umbrella. That world can overwhelm you when you're losing. And when you're like, Aaron Glenn, you go to the Jets, it's already negative.

It's not his fault. He didn't do all the previous crap. But like he has to deal with that like tsunami and negativity and fend it off. So you have no equity with them as a coach because you've never coached there, right? You've just been an assistant coach. Then you get there. And if I was a jazz fan, I'd be like, well, why didn't he just call plays last year?

Like, what are we doing? You already got to deal with Woody. We don't have a quarterback. It just gets weird. And I think that's the thing in the NFL, why the good teams stay good and it's hard for the bad teams to get out because it's hard to get from like weird to just normal. It's really hard to get like, it's going to be. a hard job for Saul in those guys in Tennessee just to get the train back on the tracks.

Like, SpyTech's number one job is just to get the train back on the tracks. You know, you look at like McVe or John Schneider or Howie, like, how do we win three playoff games? Like, that's what they're thinking. So other teams are like, how do we win eight games? Like, how do we win? That's why John Harbaugh got $100, or $100 million. Because the Giants go, you know what John Harbaugh, minimum, like, worst-case scenario next year,

were probably like eight wins. Yeah. And if it goes decent and we stay kind of healthy, we're like 10 or 11 and we feel great. And when you hire some of these coordinators who have never been coaches, even, you know, Aaron Glenn's former high-end player. You play DB?

Yeah, really good quality. They finished with zero picks this year, right? That's a hit. That record will never be broken. That's incredible. One, it's impossible. With an extra game 17? It's crazy.

I remember hearing Richard Sherman talk. See, that's like impossible. That's impossible. Think of the balls in football. If we just went out and played a pickup game, balls get tipped, balls hit in the air. And they had sauce for a half. No, sauce isn't exactly Dion when it comes to picks, but still.

I felt like the Texans had like three picks a game. I just think that I remember telling Coward this last year after coming here is the difference of just like the well-run buttoned-up operations. Like the one thing the Eagles are good at, there's always drama, but like how it kind of likes that. But they're just like they're a well-run button-up machine. Seattle. It's like well-run buttoned-up machine.

I think part of the reason Tomlin got out is like, we're no longer that, like, things are weird. You know? And the Ravens, they're just Minter. You see him? He's tiny. I missed him. Oh, he's tiny.

I was like, that guy's head coach? But he's clearly good. But the Ravens are a good example. They're just like well-run. You know, they're just really, really well-run. And when you're just really well-run, weird stories, when someone gets in charge, trouble. It doesn't like derail your franchise. When you're bad, like that stuff can just like

does it kind of put appreciation on how fast Chicago flipped it around? Obviously was the Ben Johnson hire, but I mean, go to go from Iberfluse to Ben Johnson and the progress that they had. You talk about all these other organizations that can't make that progress. I think it's just tip the cap of, it was the obvious choice, but the selling point of them to get Ben Johnson, you got to give credit for Ryan. But there aren't that many Ben Johnson every year. Right? Like, obviously, Harbaugh this year, Tomlin next year. You have the guys that are established, guys that have been head coaches, and then people want to hire. But anytime you get like McVan-Shanahan years ago, Ben Johnson now, some of Kevin O'Connell, you don't know, you hope, and now that some of them have done it, you think everyone's going to be the next one and they're not. So I think part of it was Ben was just going to be great. He's just legit. You know? And Caleb, his physical skills, like part of the reason you saw as a year went on, why he got drafted number one overall, he could do things that, like, Josh Allen only could.

So it's like they had this magic in Caleb because they weren't losing a lot of these games, you know? They were down in a lot of these games and pulling them out. And most of their games were not the Eagles on Black Friday where they just beat the shit out of them. they ran a lot of their games i felt like they were down 10 points in the fourth quarter and then he's playing the best throw of the year and then he'd watch again next year or next week he'd be like i'm not that's a better throw and then he'd do it over and over so like they had the magic but they had a guy that was drafted number one overall and with that trade they also had

dj more and because they were shitty last year they had uh they were able to get lovelin at 10 so i mean they did have some good talent i talked to polls today polls had a good point he's like I was like, did you know Caleb? He loves Caleb, right? Those articles have come out like he was, save his job. I said, did you know he was that fast? He's like, I knew it was really fast. But he's like, the one, his best skill, because I was like, how fast you think he is?

If he just ran a 40. And he started telling me, like, we didn't even look at 40s anymore. Because we look at play speed on like the GPS stuff. And we have enough years of data now to know, like, what it means? Because before, like, when at first year one, if a guy runs 20 miles an hour, like, what is that? mean it's 20 fast 20 slow but now you know like 21 22 he's like Tyreek ran a number that no one eclipse right but Caleb's best skill he was saying it's clear when you watch him is like the 10-yard bursts so it feels like he's Lamar because he can he can stop and then just accelerate like an

f1 car and that's why he doesn't get sacked because it's like someone's around him and then his burst like seven to 12 yards he's like shut out of a rocket ship And all of a sudden it's like, he's way away from this guy. So he's not been running probably like Seguan-Barkley, but he's so quick in that short area that he feels like, because I was like, does he run like a 4-4 flat? Like, no, but his short area quickness and change the direction is pretty elite. I wonder what his shuttle time would be.

It would have to. I don't think he did any of that stuff. No. But that's where it's like, that's why this week, and people push back, right, what does it mean? Like, what does it matter? like the times you're paid to play football not short shuttle lift jump but that shit does come up in big moments in big games so like Caleb's explosion and his arm strength how many times

that matter for the bears this year 150 times oh yeah like you know certain guys that have short arms last year what's his name from the lSU uh Campbell he got destroyed in every game like will Anderson looked like Lawrence Taylor in his prime. Now, was he injured? Like, there are more variables that we don't know, but like the arm length, the speed, the explosion, arm strength, when you're playing in these freezing cold games, Farr have played in the frozen tundra. Do you know how hard it is to throw a ball when it's that cold? Well, when your arm strength is elite, you need it. That's why a lot of the cold weather quarterbacks, McNabb, cold weather quarterback, Eli Manning, cold weather quarterback, Brady, cold weather quarterback, Rathusberg or Flacko.

What are they all have in common? Big arms. Philip Rivers did not have a big arm. Could not have played in the prime of his career and been the same player in, like, Cincinnati. Burroughs kind of an outlier because he doesn't have a huge arm, but he's like Joe Montana's feel, his touch. But like, to me, to play in a lot of these places, Chicago,

I tried multiple games. It was like, that looks like the coldest game in the history of cold games. And they're like, yeah, it's like the 17th coldest game in the history of the Bears. I'm like, yeah, that's fucking gold. So Josh Allen, he plays in Buffalo. like Purdy can get away with it in San Francisco.

They play in a lot of warmer weather games. They play L.A., Seattle's not that cold. You can't get away with it. Like, they plan a dome here. Imagine they didn't plan a dome here. This place would be fucking freezing, wouldn't it? Yeah, you text me when you landed in on 11 p.m. You're like, this is Antarctica.

You know what they call this place, right? No. The house Peyton built. Because this did not, when he got here, this, I mean, this franchise, he made them like, you guys know the Midwest like he turned this thing in like what Jordan did at the Bulls Midwest he fucking put this place on the map

Did they have Lucas Oil before? No. No. No. I think it was like 99, 2000 range. He got drafted like 97 98. You guys Was there another shit? Was it indoors?

It was crappy indoor stadium. Like Peyton Manning is a good example. But Peyton's a good example. If I flip-flop Peyton and Tom, Tom was not as good early, got way better, and then became, like, dominant. But who knows? Peyton could coach himself immediately. Payton never had a big arm. So he's more in that Drew Bree's category of, like, you play in the dome.

Look how much easier it is. We're in a place that, it's not as cold today, but yesterday, let's say it was 20 degrees. Playing a game in this or going outside and playing a game in that. It's like, it's not even a real. And I'm a West Coast guy. I fucking hate the cold, but I lived in Philly for a couple years. And I remember my first year in Philly right around November. Even once it gets to like 30, you're like, you start playing a different sport.

The offensive and defensive lineman unfazed. The quarterback dramatically phased. And the wide receivers are too. Like the bears drop a lot of balls. Do you know how hard is to catch a 99-mile-hour fastball from Caleb? Far off, a bunch of good drop. In the freezing, I can't even, I don't even blame them. Well, people are like, you dropped it.

I'm like, yeah, Jerry Rice might catch that, maybe. There's so many, like, five-yard outs on, like, third-in-six or third-and-four or whatever, and Luther Burden's running it or a doonese or DJ Moore, and he's just slinging it right past their hands. I can't even imagine the feeling on those guys' hands. Like, it has to be... They have to dread... Wide receivers like playing at warm weather places, right?

Or don'ts. Yeah. Like, if you're a wide receiver, I mean, let's face it. Patriots didn't exactly, and they had the little Randy Moss, and they traded for him at the, you know, when he was worth a fourth-round pick. Most of these guys, you know, want to, I mean, look at the best receivers. Puka, J.S.N, Jarmar Chase, somewhat of an outlier. He would translate, his style translates anyway.

Justin Jefferson, you know, indoor guy. They've had great receivers of Minnesota. Indoor. Randy, you're just going to dominate. If you put Jamar Chase on, like, the Rams. CD and Piggins? It's incredible place to play in a dome. Look at all the stats that Breeze put up forever. Mike Evans, Hall of Famer.

It's wager to play in 75 degrees. You think Mike Evans' free agent? You think he's going to go to New England? I was like, fuck that. I did see Jason Light said that we want to do everything possible to make him retire a buck. And this is, I was having a long conversation at the volume party with Sherman. and I was talking to, you know, they took a lot of pride, that whole crew, like, resurrected Seattle. And they were, John, I didn't ask him this, but I saw John say on something recently that he's like, the difference of that group and my group now was like, that group hated everybody.

Like, they had a chip on their shoulder, a mile, like, they were fucking angry. They had an edge to them, which kind of old school NFL, those guys. in like this modern internet era, they were kind of like more of a team like I grew up on like 1994. He said, my team now is like happy. They're all good buddies. Like that team,

Richard Sherman, like four all pros still had a chip on his shoulder. Like you passed on me. It's like Richard, you're making like $20 million a year. You're best quarter in the league. But that's just how they were all cam. They were edgy.

And I think there is just, as you get older, you know, and you come into the league and you're a stud. And you start. getting bad. It can be hard to handle. You know, I think a lot of players, you know, you come in, it's like the Sam Darnold thing. He went through a lot of shit. And I was telling back to my

original point is like talking to Richard about it, all those guys, Bobby Wagner, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas flipped off Pete as he was getting like carted off the field. I think it's harder for them to accept like the NFL like everyone followed. Payton Manning was cut twice, technically. you know it's just like this league's pretty cutthroat and you know you can fall off the cliff some guys like rogers can play to the 40 some guys like peak at like 27 and it can end immediately and it's back to the trent williams thing that we open with that's why i don't blame trant like trent could shatter his leg in game one his career could be over so it's like you gotta you don't get these like stepf curry 300 million dollar max that's not really how football works most of these

contracts are fake and I just think that that's Seattle team back I mean I saw them live they would it was not a safe environment to be running around really I think he would Vernon Davis was massive that historic hit Cam Chancellor forin Davis is not like size of me or you like this guy's like six Vernon Davis was a tight end who ran a four two and was the fifth pick in the draft six five two 50 can run like Tyree Kill and Cam Chancellor ended his clue. I mean, most people, there was a famous Brian Dawkins hit where Brian Dawkins hit, I think, Algae Crumpler on the Falcons. But they both went like that. You know, even, you know, algae was bigger than Dawkins. Like, Cam went that way, and Davis,

I think he's still flying. I miss the violence of football as someone that, you know. Yeah, they got flagged. I just, I just missed that level. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it

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the Browns, the Cardinals. Sean fires his best friend. I can't even think of his name. But remember the dude went on, he was quoted like the next day. He's like, yeah, we were just in the AFC championship games. I thought we were pretty good this year. And then Sean's pissed off and fired me. They worked together for like 20 years.

I can look it up. But I bet Davis was like, I don't want to take the Cardinal job or the Browns job. But it's a head coaching job. They'll pay me a bunch of money. Sean's like, you can call place here. And they got Walmart money. He's probably making a lot of money. But Joe Lombardi?

Yeah, Joe Lombardi. I think it's pretty clear that they, there were some concessions there with, We don't want you to leave. You probably kind of want to stay here too, but like, again, money's all relative. If you're making 50 grand and someone offers you 200 grand or you're like Davis Webb making a million and someone offers you six. It's like, yeah, man, what am I supposed to tell my wife, you know, our house could quadruple in size. The private schools are no longer an issue.

So I just think that they didn't have a choice. I think that was one of those where Davis was almost like a problem. player. Yeah. How, what is he, 30? I remember when he was at Cal.

Do you remember he was like the first transfer? Yeah. He was at like SMU or Texas Tech Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sunny Dykes was the coach

and he was a grad transfer. And people, for a lot of yards. People thought, because he's tall. I think people thought like, this guy could be like top 20 pick.

And he was, I think he went like the third, fourth, fifth round somewhere. Played in the league for like three or four years. I think he's a lot, like Sean,

You see a lot of these quarterbacks that played in like the late 2000s, early 2010s? Or like calling plays. Sean Manion played Oregon State not that long ago. Davis Webb was in college in the 2010s. Him and Brandon Cooks were so sweet, Pack 12 after dark, Sean Manian and Brainer. The year before they had Wheaton too. So when Cooks was a sophomore and Wheaton who got drafted in the third round of the Steelers, Oregon State was pretty nasty for a couple years on offense.

They had the little brothers, the running backs, little twins. remember those? I know what you're talking about. I don't know the name. I want to say Rodriguez, but it's not. Jaquoise is two of them. You know what I'm talking about? James and Jacques Quez.

Jacques Quez, I think, was the better one. One of them was better than the other one, but they were both kind of sick. Their offenses at Oregon State, honestly, it pisses me off even talking about the little schools that had no shot. Missed a Pac-12. Yeah.

Rogers. Yeah, Jack. Yeah. So, Oregon State always got, like, pre-NIL and probably like 30 years ago Fresno State did this a lot too to get into like play at USC or UCLA or Washington there were minimum requirements academically

like you had to hit something Fresno State could do this thing and Oregon State did it too called like a prop I think it was like Prop 49 I didn't think Logan Mankins might not have graduated high school but Fresno state would be like you just come to school here Ryan Matthews when I was there he couldn't like they could take these exceptions, Oregon State did it forever, Chad Johnson. You get guys into school,

obviously, all the, like Ryan Matthews, Pete Carroll wanted Ryan Matthews out of high school, but he like academically didn't qualify. Now it's like, I swear to God, no one goes to school in college, because you can't tell me all these transfers. As any, you ever look at your transcript when you're in college? Like, this would never transfer. I don't even think, do transcripts even exist if you play college football? They cannot. No. No. Because a dude will go from, like, Stanford or like Texas Tech to Stanford to Vancouver to Vancouver to very. Vanderbilt to Bama. It's like, how is all these classes, some of these people are on quarters and semesters.

Like, what is, when I was a GA at President State, transcripts and test scores, can you imagine the last time Kirby Smart asked like his recruiting coordinator? What's his test score? Like SAT? No fucking chance anyone in the SEC has ever uttered like, what's his transcript look like in the last seven years? Maybe ever, but definitely in the transfer. for portal error.

That's so funny. Like the Bailey guy, I didn't realize, is David Bailey? Yeah, he's at Stanford. He's an easy one because you're at Stanford. They have academic requirements. Well, that big Texas definitely doesn't. He could get right in. With all that money.

But I'll give you one that flipped. Safe to say Diego Pavia isn't going to Vanderbilt out of high school. Right? So as an academic student, I'm not talking football. But what was Clark Lee's big thing was we got to open this up a little bit and he got him to and now Diego works. Vanderbill ain't going to look at a transcript. Yeah, they just got a five-star quarterback out of high school too.

You see the dude, what was the guy's name in Notre Dame? What did he say? The wide receiver? The difference between going to Notre Dame and Ohio State? Oh, yeah, Miley Graham. Yeah, you said you actually have to go to classes in person. You can go online at Ohio State. I looked at the comments and a bunch of people at Ohio State was,

You still got to go to class online. If your classes are online, you're in Ohio State playing football, you're never fucking logging on to anything. He essentially just said you have to go to class at Notre Dame. You do not have to do anything at Ohio State, which I got no problem with, but that's what he said. That's what Cardo Jones said. He said, I ain't coming here to play school.

But back then you were supposed to. Now no one even cares. Back then they pretended. There's so many years now they're giving. So it's like Carson Bexton is like six years. He's like, I haven't been to school in like two or three weeks. In fairness, like when I was. in college, Matt Leiner, remember his last year.

He had graduated. He took one class and it was like golf. That's always happened a little bit if you, like, graduated. But now, like, what year is the Notre Dame? What was he? He's, he's, like, a redshirt freshman. Yeah, so he's young. So usually as a freshman, if you redshirt, you'd, like, go, have to,

just bang out some basic classes. Gen eds. Do you think that guy went to one class at Ohio State? No freaking chance, which I respect. And this is where I think Michigan people get mad at Ohio State. I do think Michigan has some more academic requirements to Ohio State. And it's easier for Ohio State to dominate because they can get anyone they want at any moment in school and no one has to go to a class ever, ever. Like you cannot play at Notre Dame.

Look at Notre Dame though. In fairness, like most of their guys, when you hear him talk, you're like, that guy's a high-level guy. I remember when the volume first started, Kyle Hamilton, that crew, do you ever listen to that show? There were like four of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just watch. Like wake up the echoes or something? Yeah, some other random guys on the team, but it was like some player college podcast,

I would rather like look at the wall than listen to it. But it was like those guys are just high level of dudes. Stanford would be the same. Like back in the day, like when McCaffrey was on the team with like the Sherman era, those guys were just high, they're impressive. Like if football didn't exist, they would all be going to school and getting good grades. And listen, I'm anti-academia. Like I fucking hate class.

I think class, it didn't serve me well. but the Stanford guy was always, I remember even a scouting, like, these guys are smart, you know, and you go, sometimes you go to the SEC, like they're, but they're smart at football, but they don't have to have to go to class. So it's like you go to, you know, Ole Miss, like, those kids, none of those dudes are going to class. When was the last time all academic teams for football were published, presented? I felt like maybe it was, maybe it was only in high school, or maybe it was like when I was in high school, I would see him for the Big Ten and stuff.

It feels like nowadays you don't even see that anywhere unless it's an old school magazine website. Hey, congrats Jeremiah Smith. You made the all-acadict of the state. You're too young, but they used to have the Playboy All-American college. Playboy? Yeah, the college players would go to the Playboy. The Model Magazine Playboy? Yes, the nudie magazine.

My son, Jack, will never even understand, one, what a magazine was and understand how big of a deal it was to see just like a boob in a magazine. Like his life, I mean, the access he's going to have, well, I got to deny it when he gets old enough. Yeah, yeah, he can't see his first boop early. But any kid worth their salt figures out a way to get around. I mean, restrictions, he'll know my passwords. I mean, he'll, but it's like the world is, I remember when I worked for the Eagles,

Deuce Daly was telling me one time he went to a playboy party when he was playing. I just remember him describing, like, God, that sounds pretty sweet. And he walked in there on like McNabs heyday, like two of them. I was like, God, that must. Pre-fat McNab? This was like in his prime, pro bowl, yeah. He's not... Todd Bowles?

You got to talk about Todd Bowles today when you saw Todd Bowles. That dude is gigantic. He's been big for a while. Todd, the thing is, when you get... I was telling you this. I ask you what position Todd Bulls played in the league. What did you say? I said detackle.

He played safety. Because back in the day, safeties used to be like 6-3. Like we were talking to, Jordan Reed about Lewis, Riddick, who played, who know him and Todd are buddies. Lewis, same way. Lewis is like 6-2. John Lynch.

They're like 6-3. You meet safeties now. They look like little corners. Those guys, Todd in his prime was probably like 230 pounds and would, remember Jack Hughes's face after that? You got the high stick. That's what your teeth would look like going over across the middle back in the NFL. Damn.

Now the NFL, like that doesn't even exist. I don't think you can tackle anymore. You can't put your weight on the quarterback anymore. No, you can't put your weight on players. You got to go down. You can't slam. I remember talking to John Lynch when he first got the job, kind of BSing. I was kind of kidding, but kind of not.

Do you think you could play in the NFL right now? He would have to be linebacker. Like, he couldn't. If you go watch, like, peak bucks highlights with, like, Sapp, Derek Brooks, their front was, you know, Sapp and Brooks were elite. But if you got free over the middle, 47 was, you were going to. gonna you could die he would like you watch highlights remember when we went to the thing of ronny lot they would like leave their feet from like seven yards away like a torpedo do they keep their eyes

open do they clence their teeth i don't know but they were trying to like shatter every bone inside your body but you just don't even see that hit anymore in fairness get guys it's coached out no one does it like the sport todd bowles played in the 80s for like the joe gibbs commanders can't even relate to on the field now. Does that mean in 20 years we're going to see a bunch of Romeo Dobbs and the guardian caps? Is that going to become a thing where people are required to wear them? I think a lot more guys are going to wear because they're going to want, like, I don't want to get concussion and not get paid.

You don't get paid when you're on the sideline. I just think, like, all right, it's going to be more of a 7-7 game. It's definitely become more quarterback-centric. Yeah. But, yeah, so. Other than that, I'm starving. It's 5 o'clock. I haven't eaten 6 o'clock.

Well, it's actually 4 o'clock our time. Is that a 12-hour fast for you? 15. I ate. I had some snacks last night when I got here, but yeah, it's been a while. I'm just telling y'all right now, we got a lot coming because this guy cooked today. This man cooked today. We got some cool ones.

Hopefully the plans will fall through, but. You never know. The key, and this is another thing I'm bad at. like net one thing networkers and this is where i'm bet are great at follow up so like in two days hey nice seeing you appreciate that it's easy to do it like if john harbaw gave me his number but like his PR guy you know hey man i appreciate the time thanks for everything like we almost had a disaster where we didn't have a table and chairs today which would have been a problem but like we went out of our way to tell the guy at the NFL like he took care of

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