The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Massive Mailbag, Are the Patriots trending up, Burrow to the Rams

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

John answers all of your questions from if the Patriots are heading the right direction, if we could see Joe Burrow on the Rams next season, will we see Anthony Richardson traded to the Raiders and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First time DMer. This is from the camera guy. Doesn't even have a real name. Been a long time Pat's fan. And it's been a while since I had the quote unquote best team in the league strut. That's true. With the addition of the great running back

and the development of Drake in a rebuilt offensive line, think the pats are genuinely turning this bad boy around 100%. And to me, it starts with a coach. Like, we've seen a lot of talented young quarterbacks become disasters in awful situations. So is Drake May going to be good? I got no clue. Obviously, we've seen a lot of young quarterbacks with quote-unquote promise, not turned

into anything. And we've seen guys that no one believed in become really good players. So you never know. but if you tell me to get Mike Vrable, who's proven that he can turn the Tennessee Titans into a playoff team, hell, he got him the number one overall seed, if you tell him you get Josh McDaniels, awful head coach, fantastic offensive coordinator.

And you talk about drafting the running back, who's probably the fastest, most explosive player they've had in a long, long time. Who's great at using running backs? Josh McDaniels. Him and Tom Brady, they utilize the running back out of the back field, throwing him the ball, getting him the ball in space a ton. wide receivers are a question mark. And listen, I think it's a little bit like, probably like Denver last year.

I don't expect them to be a real contender, but if you tell me they win 9-10 games, like I'm betting on that. I expect them to win 9-10 games. I think 10's probably their ceiling, but the 9-10 range. I don't know if they have quite enough offensive firepower, but the Jets are holding player-only practices, but the head coach is there. The dolphins are enchamble. So I think division, the AFC East, besides.

the bills, who should beat the Pats. I like the Pats a lot this year. It feels like for the first time, my excitement level for this upcoming season is as an all-time low. I don't know if it's the game-changing, too much media saturation outside of the lines, or that the Jets haven't been to the playoffs since I was 13 years old. I'm sure once week one rolls around, I'll be watching. But do you have any relation to the lessened excitement level toward the NFL?

No, cannot relate to that one. My excitement for football in general is really, really high. I love watching football, always have, and probably always will. Obviously, I talk about it for a living, so I'm glad that a lot of people, the excitement level is high. I do think if we did a study, there is a direct impact on you relative to your team, and your team hasn't just let you down. They've been a joke.

So you guys are holding player-only practices. How would there be any excitement to watch, Justin Field skip balls into the ground. So I think it's more of the jet situation than the actual league. And the thing with oversaturation, because I agree, you could argue we're oversaturated with everything, just don't pay attention for a while. Put down your phone. Don't click on the website or whatever the video that pops up.

That's whenever I feel like I'm a little, I've had a little much, I just don't pay attention to something for a couple days, and it usually helps. This is from Robert. I've been a Bengals fan for 10 years, and considering the expectations last season has been the most disappointing so far. With the Bengals missing the playoffs, I mostly blame the front office. I also notice that Bengals' front office includes several of the owner Mike Brown's relatives. In my opinion, hiring so many family members is a bad idea. As you've said it before, the open market, the cream rises to the top.

Is this kind of family hiring common across NFL teams? Or is it more of a brown family thing? What was it like with the Lurie family during your time in Philadelphia? I love to hear your thoughts. Well, I forget his name, but his son has taken on a much more prominent role. I mean, Jeffrey Lurie, I think he's like 70 years old. So like whenever he passes away, his son is going to, a Julian. When I was there, his son was really young.

So his kids were not of age to be doing anything. So I think, you know, Julian is just the future owner of the team. Like that's where it gets weird when you have like he's a future owner of the team, but you have some of these situations where like six family members are running everything. I mean, this is the way the Jones family operates. And I, yeah, can be complicated, I would imagine. I mean, in an ideal world, my kids, if I owned an NFL team and had some children, I'd be like, we're owning the team.

It's hard because you're trying to like teach them life lessons and do right by them, but we're billionaires. I want to win games and my best chance to win games is for me to find the next Howie Roseman and the next Sean McVeigh. How do we find the next Andy Reid and the next Bill Pollian

that are 38 and 42 years old and they do everything and you know what we do? We go to our games on our private jet we take our dividends and we fucking love life but this notion of like

I'm sending my kid out to scout I just now if the kid loves it which maybe he does I have no problem with, but if he's going to own the team whenever I die, like what's the point of putting him in these roles? Now, you could argue that's how he learns everything. And there's some truth to that. But I don't know, it's a complicated situation because I think it's easy to hate on it

when you don't own the team or you don't own the company. Like you want to be around your children. So I completely understand. I just think the NFL is kind of unique that way of like it feels, Not the most optimal way to maximize your potential to win. Colin recently did a podcast with a dude from Meet the Press. During the great discussion, both went on a tangent about the book they both loved written by Johnny Carson's lawyer after Carson died. And the attorney-client privilege ended.

They carried on enough for me to buy the book, and it's great. Colin mentioned he had a top 10 list of books he has read. Could you pry that list from Colin on one-year Sunday pause? Also, would you ever consider being a guest on a non-sports podcast? Your non-sports tangents are nice. Yeah, I mean, I'd be a guest on, I mean, if a podcast that was important enough asked me and they weren't, I would do it for sure. I did, after I saw your question, I made a little list of things that people asked me to ask Colin that aren't necessarily related to like, what do you think of Drake May? You know, what's Caleb's completion percentage going to be?

but just life things and your question was near the top because I did not hear that and I'm going to download that audio book as well. Well, you might be reading the actual hard copy. I'm more of an audio book guy. Good question. Question for the mailbag. With Rashon Slater out for the season, how do you think this will affect the Chargers offense? Does it mean Justin Herbert will be forced to throw more? Will Jim Harbaugh stick with the tried and tested run game? I just think it's not. I mean, it's a disastrous. situation. There's no way around it because a huge point of difference for Harbaugh in general, typically is this offensive line. And this offensive line, I mean, the best tackle combination in the league. And to lose this guy, and I haven't seen the latest, like, are they going to

leave Joe Alt at right tackle? Are they going to move to left? Harbaugh is usually pretty mum about that. I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer. I've had some people ask me, like, what would you do? Well, it's like, do you think Slater's eventually going to come back? Because if you do, then you just try to piecemeal the left tackle because if you move him to left tackle and then it's a problem, then the right tackle, it's like one of your tackles is going to be an issue. And the reality is in the NFL, most teams line up their pass rushers all over the place. If your right tackle sucks, Max Crosby will line up over. If your left tackles, a scrub, they'll put Khalil Mack over him or Miles Garrett over. They'll just move their personnel based on where your weakness is.

and a lot of teams now have multiple good pass rushers. So I don't just think like the right answer is just take him to left tackle. I remember saying it to Howard Mudd. I'm like, this guy's a right tackle. He's like, what do you mean? What does that even mean? Like, well, he's not as good of an athlete.

And he's like, when I was with the Colts with Peyton Manning, we had Robert Mathis on one side and Dwight Freeney on the other side. So if you're like, well, this guy's feet sucks, he's going to get smoked. So if Joe, if you feel Slater's coming back, Now, if you feel this knee injury is going to derail his career, you might as well just pivot him over to his blindside. But, man, that sucks.

Question for you. It's no secret the Rams are in the quarterback market next year. At the same time, the Bengals are a mess, and there is growing buzz that Burrow could look to force a move next summer if this season doesn't go well. Do you see it in the cards that the Rams McVeigh make another blockbuster? Well, let's just say the Bengals go eight and nine, and Burrell throws 40 touchdowns and the defense sucks.

And it's like clearly not his fault again. Organizations and Shambles. Of course the rent and Stafford retires. There's no team that would be more willing to break the bank. Literally, they'd extend his contract, even those contracts are already huge, and give up unlimited picks to acquire Joe Burrell, then the Rams. Mike Brown is never going to do this. I feel very, very strongly on this.

Joe Burrow would have to pull a car. and literally retire and just be like, I quit before Mike Brown trades him next offseason. Absolutely no chance. I see, they could win two games. He is never trading Joe Burrow next year. Now, eventually, years down the road, maybe, but I think he'd go, I already paid you. I paid you two wide receivers. I'll bring in a new coach. But I see under no circumstances, because, yes, McVeigh and Les Need and the Rams would want Joe Burrell. One million percent. So would a lot of other teams. Mike Brown's not trading. No chance. Not in 2006. Maybe 2009, but not next year. He's already

shown. Like he doesn't. That's not how he operates. Could you see Sean McVeigh trading for Anthony Richardson with Stafford being hurt? I think someone is going to trade for Anthony Richardson. I saw today, I got off the set probably 45 minutes ago, and Anthony Richardson's not going to play in the last preseason game. It's like they've already admitted he needs a bunch of work. He's still developing. Well, that would be the place to play him.

Well, why do people pull guys in baseball games around the trade deadline? Why does like, oh, they're not putting him in the game. He's not dressing out for this game in basketball at the trade deadline. You can't risk injury. Can't put him in the game. So he's not playing. You can't convince me that they aren't fielding calls. Now, I don't think those numbers are high.

I don't think it's like, well, we're deciding between a third and two-fourths. It's probably like a fifth, sixth, seventh rounder. It's late round picks. my guess is Anthony Richardson's traded in the next week. If you had to give me a pie chart percentage chance, I'd say 75, 80% chance he's traded, 20% chances on the team. Especially the way that their head coach said, Daniel Jones is our starter for the season.

Like Daniel Jones clearly is not going to be on the team next year. So if you can get, like, it's already kind of, like, it's water into the bridge. You spilled the milk. Like it's, there's no going back. Like, you use a fourth round pick that was fourth overall, and it's over. Like, you missed. So you just move on.

You literally already did with Dana Jones, so I would expect, I think a lot of teams would be interested. Like, work with them in practice. Like, the Colts don't even want to change Siking and Chris Bauer to worry about keeping their job. Andy Reid's like, yeah, it would be a little project for me on the side, right? Sean McVeigh or whoever. I think a lot of coaches and a lot of teams, and I just use those two examples. you could use anybody. Sean Payton, you know, you could say

Josh McDaniel, maybe they get a young quarterback, probably bad example. The Bucks, I mean, you just see teams like, yeah, we'll just work with them on the side. He's out of starter. He's a backup. So it's like he's not playing anyway. Someone's trading for him, maybe my guess.

Why do guys like Kevin O'Connell and Mike McDaniel get labeled geniuses by the media, but they never seem to show some love to LaFleur. LaFloor is more playoff wins than they have combined, he turned Jordan Love into a top 10 quarterback, and he only missed the playoffs once in his career. Well, I think I would separate Kevin O'Connell and Mike McDaniel.

I think the bloom on the rose, the shine on the star that was Mr. Gucci and a $100,000 watch and wearing Capri's Mike McDaniel is done, is dimmed. I mean, he's a laughing stock in the NFL right now with coaches, with front office people, with his own team. Like Mike McDaniel is, I would imagine there's a 50-50 chance he doesn't make it to Halloween. It could be really, really ugly. I can nitpick Kevin O'Connell. They can get us a little pass happy. He's a really good coach.

And if you had a coaching draft in the NFL, especially if you factor in age, he would go really, really high. So I would not compare those to. I think sometimes the Packers coach You know it's weird They're a huge brand They win all the time But they also fly under the radar A little bit nationally sometimes

Especially like If Farver Rogers is doing anything crazy Smaller market We spend so much time talking about the fucking cowboys I don't know The 4 is good You know where I stand on the Packers I'm going to bet money on them

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We'll get to Zach. me and my buddy's got a new debate. Let's say I have an NFL kicker. In this example, Chris Boswell, kicking off to me and I have 10 attempts to return it 1-1, me versus Boswell. How many times would I score a touchdown? I'm a decent athlete, 6-foot, 180 pounds, and do a lot of running.

Recently ran a 3-hour marathon. I've never ran a marathon, but that sounds like pretty good. Would I have any chance of scoring? Are kickers more athletic than I'm giving them credit for? I think it depends. I think there would be some kickers that played at like Texas or I don't know where Chris Boswell went to school. But could have been football players, like actual players at a lower level. But they were really good athletes.

And some of them, Chris Boswell, he went to Rice. so that might not be the greatest example. But guys that could have played like where I went to college, Cal Poly, you know, UC Davis, McNeese State, schools like that, and played a position, but they were great kickers and they went to a bigger university because they got a full scholarship. There would definitely be kickers if you're a good athlete,

even a good high school athlete and you stay in shape that you could score a touchdown with or on. Now, are they doing it like, how does this work? are they kicking it off like the kickoff? So they kind of kick it like you catch it at the 10-yard line and they're 50 yards behind you. I mean, there is a thing with angles. I mean, there's no guarantee.

It's not like they practice their open-field tackling. And even when they do make open-field tackles, they have a bunch of guys in front of them. So just one-on-one could be a little different. If you're a decent athlete, yes, I think you could score a touchdown on some kickers, 1,000%. Some kickers would blast you, though.

I think a couple kickers, would shock you, and some kickers would be marginal athletes. I'm curious, if you started to do anything to prepare for the baby, have you read any books or Colin drop any wisdom on you? Great job on the hurt. You know, me and Colin after a couple cocktails in Chicago talked to life, talked to relationships and the wiring of the opposite sex. But from a child perspective, you know, most of my friends have children,

aging anywhere between 2 to 10. So I have a lot of, I would say, saved mental notes over the years. I had a good buddy. It's actually one of Maria's best friend's husband, who I've become friends with, who's an awesome dude, high level to cat. He's like kind of, he told me to read or download the Marcus Aurelius Meditations. It gives some life lessons on how to look at raising your young child. But, yeah, I mean, I prayed.

I mean, there's not much. I haven't done. Maria is so dialed in on different things forwarding me every day. She's like my own personal assistant of just funneling me information. I also think, and I'm a big believer on this, there's certain things in life. Like, you can read all you want. There's no hand. I can't give you a handbook.

to your dating life or to what to do professionally. I can kind of guide you in the right way, but eventually, like, you're in the trenches, you've got to figure it out, and that's what I'll do. I'll figure it out. And then from there, I'll pivot, but I'd be lying if I've said I've, like, done much research.

I'm listening to my local sports talk on my way to work, and I hear the radio host say that Stephen A had a take on Alabama's slow start in 9 and 4, and that Kalin Dubour should hand the reins to coach, Prime. I'm sure you heard this too. Being my favorite podcaster and a long-time listener, I'd love to get your thoughts. Kaelin Dubour was in the national championship game two years ago. Let me repeat, Kaelin Dubour was in the national championship game two years ago. He beat Steve Sarkeesian. Do you know he's never lost to? Steve Sarkisian. Do you know he's never

lost to? Dan Lannning, never lost to him. He played Brian Kelly last year, beat his ass. So, Kaelin Du Boer, who inherited a roster that lost a bunch of players with the transfer portal when Saban retired. My guy Josh Pate thinks Alabama's going to win the SEC. Now, I don't know if they're going to win the SEC, but the more I think about it, I remember a guy texting me like a couple years ago, you went all in on Du Boer when he was playing Sark in the Final Four. and it's the biggest bet I've ever made, still to this day. I've never been more sure of something from a gambling standpoint that I was willing to go all in on it. And honestly, I should have even been more aggressive.

Now, I had to sweat it a little at the end, but it was a winner-winner chicken dinner. And then last year, obviously he lost to Vanderbilt, which essentially cost him the playoffs. But Kalin-Divore's big time. And here's the other thing. Ryan Grub, his right-hand man, got fired in Seattle with the C-Hawks. He never coached in the NFL, and now is back with DeBoer. So most people think they have the best wide receiver room in the conference. They had the best DB room in the conference.

They always have good offensive and defensive lines. So, I mean, can Deon Sanders win like eight, nine games at Colorado in the Big 12 first? And I'm not anti-Dion. But to compare him, DeBoer's one of the best coaches in the country for like four or five years. They literally were saved and retired. That's who they hired to replace him. He's been there one year. He'll be fine.

What do you think about the Raiders taking a chance on Anthony Richardson? Gino doesn't seem like a long-term option, but there is something to be said about... I don't even need to read the rest of the... This is a great example. Anthony Richardson, get him with Chip. Obviously, Gino's your starter. Can I get him for a fifth round pick? Can you guys work together on the side, become the backup, or hell, be the third-string

quarterback. He's going to get traded. I think he's a lock to get traded. I really do. Now, the one reason, like the reason I don't do 100% he's going to get traded, I wonder if there's a piece of Ballard that goes, what if we do send them somewhere else? In the middle of the season, like the Raiders are a good example,

Gino gets hurt, chips like, I'll work with Anthony Richardson, and then all of a sudden, Anthony Richardson's sweet for the Raiders. And Daniel Jones is a disaster for the Colts. Everyone gets fired immediately. Now, I do agree, and Collins' take was this. Like, when offensive coaches, especially established ones, punt on guys, you should be out on them too. Kyle Shanahan said, I'm out on Tray Lance.

Everyone else is too. People like, Jim Harbaugh. I saw my guy, Louis Riddick, was like, Trey Lance just needed a spot like Jim Harbaugh. You mean to be his third-string quarterback? I can't win a backup job. So it's like some of these quarterbacks, when these coaches pivot on them,

it's like, look who gave up on Sam Darnold, right? Like Robert Sala, who gave up on Baker Mayfield? Right, the Browns, you know, the Carolina, Matt Rule. So it's like, who's giving up on you? Is Kevin O'Connell say you suck? Because if he does, then that's concerning. Does, look at a little floors. Like, I'll play with Malik Willis.

What happened? Malik Willis is winning regular season games. Kyle Shannon is like, I like the Sam Donald guy. Kevin O'Connell's like, I like the Sam Donald guy. Now look at him now. You recently touched on a subject that I've been thinking about for a number of years. As a Seahawks fan, I love the rivalry we have with the Niners. I'm so concerned about the fact that the Niners are hurt more than most teams every year.

competing in an NFC without a great Niners team just doesn't feel right. Do you think there is something with the strength of conditioning staff or coaching staff? Stanford, which I would imagine their medical team, is considered one of the best in the world, which is 10 minutes away from where the 49ers offices are. Their doctors work at Stanford. They have fired their strength and conditioning staff, their training staff over the years because of these issues. There gets to a point where it's like, how about this guys? if a guy has an injury history, we're not messing with them.

I don't think the 49ers practice any differently than the good teams. Like, they do have physical practices, but I don't think it's much different. Like, why isn't George Kittle and Fred Warner getting hurt in practice? It's because you keep signing and drafting some of these guys with injury histories. Like, I think there's something to the way that they, the guys that they acquire. I also just think there's got to be some. randomness to it. Now, you could argue that this is a long enough streak where something's a little

weird. Something doesn't add up here. And I would say I kind of agree. Something doesn't make sense. I can't put my finger exactly on it, but something is off for sure. Enjoy listening to your podcast. My question is to talk about guys like Anthony Richardson and Trey Lance, both having a lot of college starts and both not having a lot of college starts and how that has affected their careers. Do you think we have to worry about that with Arch Manning? I understand he's a different type prospect, and my thoughts are he will be fine with the potential of him declaring for the draft after one season,

but does it concern you at all? 1,000 percent, because the more you play, I think here's a reality. If Anthony Richardson had been a multi-year starter, maybe he doesn't go in the top five. Maybe it turns out he's not that good. What happened the more and more Will Levis played? People are like, what's this?

What if Trey Lance had been a multi-year starter? might not go in the top five, might not go in the first round. Because the larger the sample size, how many times have you seen a guy come up from AAA and have a two-week stretch where he hits 10 home runs? And then he never hits another home run. No one ever hears about him again. Because the more and more you play,

you either get exposed or you excel. So anytime you're a one-year starter, there's not much data. We are taking a strong, educated guess. And Ms. Trubisky, Anthony Richardson, Tray Lance. Now, you can have one breakout year, Joe Burrow, and obviously that's who you become, but there's also no rhyme or reason to any of this. I would tend to lean on guys who were multi-year starters who played at a high level. But like Joe Burrow had one incredible, Cam Newton

had one incredible year, and it's like that's, that was their ceiling. That was their high end. They truly had that. So I think it's difficult. I think Anthony Richardson and Tray Lance had the worst combination. They truly were projects and they hadn't played much. So if you were looking at it from like, if we were at Goldman Sachs or, you know, Bank of America or whatever

in the finance department, we were running the numbers, there were a lot of question marks. There were a lot of like, eh, not quite seeing this thing add up, right? Or some, like you acquire, you pick a bit, Amazon, there's a lot of positives.

It checks a lot of, of boxes. You know, these insurance companies, why they make so much money, they don't pay us and we pay them. It's like, that's a great business to invest in. Warren Buffett's like, hey, Berkshire, fuck, quadruple down on the insurance companies. When quarterbacks, like, hey, Baker Mayfield, several-year starter, bunch of production, won a bunch of big games, like, you felt pretty good about that, right? But when you get one-year starter, productions hit or miss, you've got to be very careful about, you know, you're trying. you're trying to get it right, but the easiest way to get it right is to find the ways

that where you're not going to get it wrong. And where you get it wrong is when there are a lot of holes in the argument for a player. And there were a lot of holes clearly in the arguments for those players. It looks like that's it. We bang that out. I did a rapid fire there. You know, I was thinking about this, my one Fugazi. I can't out the hotel because it's, I think Fox must have a deal with them, must get a good rate. I mean, it's a nice. I mean, it's a nice. I mean, I was thinking about this. I nice hotel. It's a little old, but I mean, it's a nice hotel. I've never been a hotel snob necessarily, but as I get older and as I've become a professional, which I've been really for the last 15 plus years of my life, a lot of times when I'm in a hotel, it's not for vacation. I bet, I don't

know, 90% of my hotel usage is work-related. Honestly, it could be higher over the last, like, 10 years. It's like 95% of my hotel usage is work-related. And if you're a decent hotel, like, you need a desk. Now with the internet and the way people operate, like your quote-unquote Wi-Fi room or internet room or whatever room you have downstairs that has some desks. Like, I want a desk inside the hotel. And listen, the overwhelming 99% of hotels I stay at, this one I'm staying at does not have one. And it just makes, you know, you're trying to get situated.

Like, I'm right now. I'm in a green room. So it's like, I'm not completely. I'm sitting on a couch. I've recorded my podcast from the couch the last couple of days, but it's like I'm propping up my computer. It's like, how do you not have a desk in your hotel room? In 2025, moving forward, the way most of your guests are staying,

obviously some of these hotels, but even like next week, for example, or going to Hawaii. Do you know what I'm doing? I'm going to work from there. It's a vacation, but we also got bills to pay. and I do a podcast where they kind of need me. You know, it's not one of those like, I'm gone for three weeks, you guys handle it. Like, this business is kind of predicated on me talking into this microphone.

And guess what? We're staying at a nice Marriott property in Hawaii. I can almost guarantee, I mean, I've seen a picture. There will be a desk in the hotel room. But I just can't fathom, like, because there was more than enough space. There was like this nice kind of wraparound couch. Like I'm not, I don't want to sit on the couch. When I'm in the hotel, I sleep or sit on my desk.

You know, I just, I would love to talk to the people at that hotel and ask about the logic that goes behind the setup of that hotel room because I need to work. And while I'm still able to, because I'm a podcaster and there's a will, there's a way, and we're going to find that way. And we did. it just becomes a little troublesome to try to get comfortable. I need to be relaxed when I'm talking. And to not have a desk chair in the room, did not have a desk. I mean, it's just, it's borderline travesty.

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