The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Massive Mailbag, Caleb isn't the problem in Chicago, Tom Brady and the Raiders

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

John answers all of your questions from the issues with the Chicago Bear that have nothing to do with Caleb Williams, how the NFL should be handling Tom Brady and the Raiders, should there be concern ...in KC, will the Eagles add more before the deadline, and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by hardrock.bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:43 And we're going to start with Cooper here. Question slash hot take for the mailbag. Caleb isn't the main problem for the Bears. It's the run game. Yes, he has some accuracy issues, but he's vastly improved from last year with getting the ball out of his hands on time. However, he's always trying to make the big play
Starting point is 00:05:02 because he has no run game. DeAndre Swift, Can't find the fucking gap and stutter steps like a ballerina before making a decision. Look at any quarterback that has success. They have a good run game. Love and Jacobs, Panics and Bijan, Jaden Daniels, year one, he had Brian Robinson and Echler. Even McCarthy looked good week one by the second half because of the running backs. My question is, why does nobody bring it up how bad the run game is for Chicago
Starting point is 00:05:31 and instantly blames Caleb for missing passes? every quarterback will miss passes, but it seems that his get exaggerated. Do you see the Bears trading for a running back this year or are they just opting for the draft? I would agree that the week two loss was way less on him than week one, right? The week two loss, the defense just clearly ran out of gas, slash might not be good. I mean, they're missing DBs. Jalen Johnson's now, it looks like, I see a report yesterday, he's out for the year. Obviously, he played in that game and then got banged.
Starting point is 00:06:04 up. You miss him. I mean, he's a high-level corner when he's healthy, so that's going to be a major blow. Listen, the bears have a lot of issues. And I said this the other day, you know, Caleb is such a lightning rod. Anytime that you're the number one pick, you're in this huge market, you know, you have some controversy that follows in terms of the way you got there. You're like, I don't want to go to Chicago. Then I want a piece of equity. There's a lot of things that sometimes the number one picks, like, that doesn't happen, right? There's just not much to the story. He's either good or bad.
Starting point is 00:06:37 I do think this situation is going to turn more to Ryan Poles. Like, how is the general manager going to survive? You know, they drafted Roma Dunes a ninth overall. And I think looking back, clearly they should have taken an offensive lineman. But this guy is obsessed with wide receivers, which is kind of ironic because he's a former offensive lineman. I think it's fair to assume he has no clue what he's doing, which is crazy. you'd be like, decent amount of GMs feel like overwhelmed. Like they have no clue.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Because a lot of GMs, and we've talked a lot about it on this show, like talk to talk, they go, you know, I love the trenches. I care about the line of scrimmage. And it's like pick eight. You're like, give me that slot wide receiver who runs fast. You're like, that's exactly what we didn't talk about. Like, we got to follow the board. It's like, I'm not in the business of taking a wide receiver really high unless I think.
Starting point is 00:07:32 think the guy is going to be a superstore. Like, he better be Malik neighbors. I mean, look at the wide receiver draft just in that group. Marvin Harrison, Malik neighbors, and Roma Dunzee. Like, it's, Malik's in a different universe than those two. I mean, it's not even, it's not even, they have nothing in common. Malik, it's clear his physical attributes, his skill, his overall, like, playing demeanor. I mean, that, that dude's a badass.
Starting point is 00:07:59 The other guys are replaceable players. and you take one four, you take one ninth, you just can't do that. Now, listen, you're not always going to hit on offensive linemen either, but I will never have an issue with someone taking an offensive or defensive lineman high. I won't. So I might not agree with the pick with the player, but I said this about Gentie. And you know, I'm a John SpyTech fan.
Starting point is 00:08:22 But I was like, I don't know, man. A running back number six overall, aren't you better off? Like, could we take an offensive or defensive lineman here? is there someone that can impact the line of scrimmage? We took a running back. And, you know, through two games, he has 80 yards. And people think I hate the player. I do not.
Starting point is 00:08:43 I'm an Ashton Jentee fan. I just think when you're drafted six overall, especially coming from a small school, it's just difficult, man. It is. It's pretty rare that guys, like, you watch Bejan Robinson, like, he has Hall of Fame talent, right?
Starting point is 00:08:58 Sequin Barclay has Hall of Fame talent. Christian McCaffrey has Hall of Fame talent. If I'm going to take a running back in the top 10, he better be that. If I'm going to take a wide receiver, it doesn't have to be that if I take a lineman that high. Can the lineman just start for me and be an above average player? It's like I feel okay. Ideally, I'd want Lane Johnson or Tristan Worst or Penae Sewell, right? But if I just get a good starter for a long time, I feel pretty good about it.
Starting point is 00:09:25 We nitpicked these skill guys because the difference between. a high-end guy and an average guy, it's like, gosh, could have found that guy in the third round. But overall, the Caleb thing, this is a big week for Green, not Green Bay. I'm looking at a question about Green Bay, about the Bears. Play the Cowboys who are pretty bad on defense. I mean, clear.
Starting point is 00:09:49 They made Russell Wilson look like the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. And he still can throw a deep ball, given that. But I just think that if the Bears can't win this week, when are they winning? And we're going to get Tom. You know, Tom's, be interesting some of Tom's comments about Caleb. What's up, John? Tyler from West Virginia. As a Packer fan, I always notice how much we prioritize the offensive line. Other than the Eagles of the Lions, I haven't heard much about other teams doing the same.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Am I wrong in thinking it's not a big deal around the league? Could the Bengals cough? Or do other teams also try and stack the offensive line, and it doesn't make headlines as often? Here's the thing. When you take at pick 10 or pick 6 or pick 20, the offensive tackle or offensive guard, it is not a sexy pick. When you draft, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:10:43 they just drafted whatever wide receiver or whatever cornerback or a tight end. That is a much sexier pick for the fan base. Because their highlight package is them scoring touchdowns, right? Them making plays with a, football in their hand. It's like, hey, we just got Zach Martin in the draft from Notre Dame. like how many pancake blocks can you can you play? An offensive lineman draft pick on Thursday night or even Friday night is just not as sexy
Starting point is 00:11:14 as some of these other positions. So that is a huge reason. Like, I'd go out of business if I broke down offensive line play, right? It's not a sexy, but it is you can't operate without it. and having good offensive lines is equal success, right? Having good offensive linemen changes your team. I just think skill guys, there's never been more functional skill guys all around the league and all over college. Like you can get guys no problem in the 20s, the 30s, the 40s, the 50s that become all pros at wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:11:51 I mean, the 49ers drafted Ricky Pearsall at the end of the first round, and there's a decent chance that he's going to be better than brand. and Iyuk, who just got $75 million. It's like, you didn't need to give him that money. What you should have done is use those resources, that money, like, buy some offensive linemen. But hell, no one listens to me. Once you tell us about your friends, your partners, and the official ticketing up,
Starting point is 00:12:13 is Kirk Cousins the most sought after quarterback at the moment? Could the Falcons look brilliant by being able to parlay him into a third round pick and maybe offload, if not all the contract on a team like the Vikings or the commanders? What about Cousinsie? I think he would be an upgrade over Browning, and he is a Midwest guy. I would think he loved the opportunity to throw to Chase into Higgins. Well, the Bengals are cheap. So they would have no interest on taking his, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:44 $27 million pro-rated over the next 15 weeks is not happening. And they believe in Jake Browning. So they're not doing that move. You would have to have a devastating injury to Jaden Daniels to get them to contemplate. that move. And the other team you mentioned was the Vikings. I'll be honest, something's a little fishy about the JJ McCarthy injury. Now, we just saw it with Purdy where a guy finishes a game and then after he's out. So it, and it's happened. It's not like it's never happened before either. But clearly, Purdy just for a game winning touchdown. Like they would not want him to not play.
Starting point is 00:13:23 McCarthy was a train wreck. I mean, a complete disaster for seven out of the eight quarters. So if you you told me, it's like, he's kind of banged up, but it's like, we need to give this guy a breather. See, just get Carson Wentz in there because this guy has lost his confidence. So conspiracy, Middlough here has just got that situation red flagged. I'm not saying he's not injured. I do wonder if there's more at play. Something to keep an eye on at least Wednesday when Kevin O'Connell talks. I'll just be interested the way he kind of verbalizes his thoughts on the entire situation.
Starting point is 00:13:56 But they're not going to try. trade. Because part of also trading for Kurt Cousins, if you're them, like, McCarthy's not playing the rest of the year. Cousins is not really a tradable asset. He's just not, unless you would need a season-ending injury to a team that is just desperate to make the playoffs. See, I'm getting asked the same question.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Is there a chance the Bengals try to go after Cousins or a guy like Dalton or they are going to roll with Jake Browning for the foreseeable future? he would have to be a train wreck for them to pivot. He just won them a game. She had the game winning touchdown. He made a bunch of plays. He's actually five and three in his career as a starting quarterback for them. They're not in the business of these other guys.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Look at what they did today. They're bottom feeding. They're taking guys off practice squads. They're all in on Jake Browning. They would need a devastating injury to him, which you could say with their offensive line is possible. Now, I could be wrong here, I mean, because I'm basing this a little bit when he was younger, but I do feel like Jake's a better athlete than Joe Burrow, so maybe he's got a little more mobility.
Starting point is 00:15:15 But as long as he's able to play, like I don't see them going with another quarterback. They're not the Eagles. You know, they don't think in desperation mode. If anything, they're opposite. They're like slow, steady, try to save some money. I'd be stunned. I really would. But, I mean, I was stunned.
Starting point is 00:15:39 I think I'd put this out on the Everything app about half time. Like, I'll be stunned if the Atlanta Falcons win this game. And they won the game, 22 to 9 or whatever. So it's not like I'm always right. I don't know. But I would not expect the Bengals to trade for Kirk Cousins. It's kind of sad. You know, it shows you.
Starting point is 00:16:00 And in fairness, he, definitely probably didn't see the Pennix thing coming. But like once you become mercenary guy doing everything for money, and I guess it could happen in some of our industries, but clearly pro sports toward the end of your career, because unlike most of us, our careers can go like, it's not like, hey, I only peaked as an architect for two years. Like you can do things for a long period of time,
Starting point is 00:16:27 even if your industry changes a little bit, like you can kind of pivot, but you should have 50, year plus career if you want professionally. These guys got to strike where the iron's hot, but cousins already did. And him and his agent, which I respect, I mean, I'm a capitalist, they are obsessed with getting every penny. And when you do that, like sometimes you're just going to get fucked in life.
Starting point is 00:16:49 And I have little to no sympathy for seeing him just kind of, he kind of feels like he's just standing there pouting a little bit. I mean, the last year of his career or two years of his career just kind of come on the bench sucks, but he this is what he wanted. I mean, he's getting paid. He's the highest paid backup that didn't start the years and starter that got benched
Starting point is 00:17:11 in the history of the league by a wide margin. I mean, who are the highest paid backups currently? Because backups have never made more money than they make now. And like, what's mint you make? $10 million for Kansas City? You know, Daniel Jones got 14, well, he immediately
Starting point is 00:17:27 started. You just go around the league. Like, find me, you know, Mac Jones the backup's like two years, $8 million. I mean, Cousins is making $27 million to be the backup. Now, they would tell you, well, Pennix is only making six or seven, so our total quarterback room is 35. Well, imagine if you didn't have cousins, you'd have other room. But in fairness, they probably would have traded them.
Starting point is 00:17:52 He had no trade market. As a commanders fan, how concerned should I be about Tom Brady being involved with the Raiders? Tom Brady called our game week one, and now we play the Raiders this week. You think this is something Dan Quinn, Adam Peters would think about when they were meeting with Tom in the week one production meetings. Thanks. I clicked on Bruce Ariens, who was with McAfee, and he said that he thought those meetings could be a little overblown how much information gets shared. He said the thing that would be very very.
Starting point is 00:18:29 very glaring if he had access to and he doesn't is the Friday practice, Saturday walkthrough, any sort of the last 48, 36, 24 hours, anything on the field with players. I do think as Tom Brady, people are going to want to talk to him. Like one advantage Tom and Peyton, who does the banning cast, really have, is offensive coordinators, you know, if the GM, doesn't want to talk to him, the assistant GM, these guys are going to want to be friends with those two guys. So they can gather information.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Like, I have no, and I remember, if you talk to any coach, I remember Coach Reed telling me stories about how he used to, like, Al Davis used to call him all the time, like when he first got the Philly job or early on in his career. Like, these guys are constantly on the phone with each other. Howie Roseman's on the phone with other teams nonstop talking. Now, what information you give back,
Starting point is 00:19:29 and forth, you know, depends on the relationship. But like, think about like John Spitech and Jason Light, right? They work together forever. It was his right hand man. They're like, best friends. You don't think they share information. So it's less about quote unquote sharing information, and it's more just throwing it in your face. Now, Dan Quinn has been around long enough, but we're human beings. If you're just saying stuff, it's one thing if I'm just talking to Greg Olson. I'm sure Greg Olson has a couple people that he would consider very close. in his life in the NFL, whether they're coordinators, whether they're GMs. And he came on this podcast, and he didn't specifically say names, but clearly he's got some
Starting point is 00:20:10 people since doing this job. And probably when he was playing as well, guys that were position coaches that have now moved on to be coordinators throughout the league that he texts all the time. And they've taught, what do you think you're talk about? Just like what the weather is? Of course they're talking different ideas. But when Greg Olson walks into your building, if you're the Eagles, Siriani, and Howie, your guard isn't necessarily up.
Starting point is 00:20:32 You're not worried about him giving all your information to the Dallas Cowboys or the Washington commanders. Even though he's going to talk to those teams, it's inevitable because he's going to call their games. But there's just like a scout. When a scout walked into Nick Sabin's practice, Sabin wasn't petrified of him sharing the information, though he could. He could easily walk right into Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, if they're playing him in a week or two, and tell him what they saw. Right? But like that's kind of no, that's not really what you do. And not that it's, it couldn't happen. I just think the optics of Brady sitting in that coaching box,
Starting point is 00:21:11 even if nothing actually changed, we already knew exactly what his role was, is something that's going to be hard for teams to shake. And specifically the chiefs, the Broncos, and the, almost called them the clippers, the chargers. I just, I, that one would be tough for me. And it does feel, and I could be wrong, that there is more crossover than ever of AFC and NFC games on Fox and CBS.
Starting point is 00:21:38 So it's like Brady's not just going to have like Bears Cowboys, right? He's going to have some AFC games. And it's just going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out. I do think the story is not going to go away once he was in the booth. That was crazy. I mean, he was not just there to, you know, have a cocktail and eat some chicken fingers, which he probably wouldn't eat anyway, but like a lettuce wrap or whatever Tom would actually eat.
Starting point is 00:22:07 I give Tom credit. As someone that's really trying to work on my diet and my caloric intake, he has not, doesn't feel like he's budged at all from the diet situation from what he played to now. I mean, that chiseled jaw line, like he is not eating cheeseburgers and onion rings. You know, sometimes it's like, hey, you can let your guard down a little bit. It feels like he's as dialed on the diet as ever. but I guess I didn't answer your question
Starting point is 00:22:31 I just wonder if teams especially after on Monday night are going to be really really guarded with because it's not just him if he's not allowed in the meeting or whatever his restrictions are whatever you tell his crew and I'm a huge Kevin Burkhard fan
Starting point is 00:22:49 how is Kevin not going to relay stuff or Tom asking Kevin to ask them specific stuff so it's it's kind of complicated and I understand like I'm not hating in the fact If I was Tom Brady, I'd want to own the Raiders too. Mark Davis gave me an opportunity to own a team when I'm not nearly as rich as these guys to get into the country club, right? There are certain country clubs. Guess what?
Starting point is 00:23:10 I would love to freaking join. And I probably can't afford slash get invited to. But if I did get invited and they'd also kind of cut me a deal, I would join in a heartbeat, right? And so he got involved in a country club that most rich people would love to get in on, especially at the price point in which he got in, which became controversial. The other thing that every single person that former player that wants to get into talking about football, whether it's on podcast, whether it's on TV or calling games, there is not a player alive that would have turned down the $375 million.
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Starting point is 00:25:26 What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.
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Starting point is 00:27:02 That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down,
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Starting point is 00:27:55 I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian won. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck.
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Starting point is 00:29:01 I think it's less about that and more about you used to not be able to push a guy from behind, which you are now, which is a huge advantage for a player as strong is Jalen. And I just think it's impossible whether you put one hand or two on the ground, which I do think would be unfair for defense. Why, that's not my problem. If I'm a defensive player,
Starting point is 00:29:23 if I want to put two hands on the ground, especially in goal line defense. It's no one can see. Like we're just taking a, we take some educated guesses in football, and we should, it's sports. Like I do appreciate every once a while a little bit of unknown. Did he catch her?
Starting point is 00:29:40 Didn't he? I don't know. It's hard to tell. Right. But I think on this play, you have no clue. When he stopped, where the ball is, did someone fumble? So I'm trying not to be a prisoner of the moment because there is a lot of momentum and a lot of people are talking about this. But it does feel like the beginning of the end for this thing.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Like truly, that was a moment that I. I think this play gets ax at the end of the year. I also think it helps that it's just a boring play to watch, even if technically right now it's fair. I mean, it's fair game. I'm a big Chiefs fan. Obviously, I'm not quote unquote out on the season yet, with two close losses against two good teams
Starting point is 00:30:21 while playing subpar team football and given the current wide receiver room without rice and worthy. That said, do we need to start having a conversation about the offense and by proxy, Andy? Ever since Nagy took over his OC, the offense has been largely awful compared to the rest of the league, let alone the first few years of Pat. Obviously, nobody cares and notices when you're winning Super Bowls 22 and 23, even though the teams were stellar on defense and did just enough on offense. There is absolutely no juice in the running back room, and a few wide receiver absences absolutely, absolutely derail any explosiveness. It's hard to not feel frustrated about Veach seemingly, quote,
Starting point is 00:31:06 giving up on finding a running back ever since the Edwards Hilaire pick busted. Is there anything they can do personnel-wise now to fill the holes that seem so obvious? I do think they can make a trade. You know, could they add like an Alvin Kamara or something this offseason who's under contract and could be on their team. I also think they have tried. You know, when you are winning Super Bowls and going to the Super Bowl, Your picks every round suck.
Starting point is 00:31:34 They literally, if you win it, can't be any worse. They're 32 every round. And if you don't win it, but you get there, they're 31. And they have used, they drafted Clyde, who fits Andy's mold. Like, Andy's never going to be Kyle Shanahan and try to run it 30 times a game. But he will get the ball in the hand of the running back. And I thought Clyde, like he did, would be a good pass-catching running back. It obviously didn't work.
Starting point is 00:32:00 well, they need more explosion and playmaking at wide receivers. So what did they do? They drafted rice and then they drafted worthy. Like they have invested picks into those spots. And when you're paying two guys afraid of money, Chris Jones and Mahomes, they pay their center a lot of money, they pay their guard a lot of money. Obviously Travis doesn't make nothing. Like they have some core guys making a lot of cash.
Starting point is 00:32:25 You have a lot of pressure on the draft. and I think, you know, the jury's out unworthy, but he's injured. And Rice looked like he was going to be a stud. Fucking ran his Lamborghini into the back of, you know, a car. I do, I saw the picture almost couldn't believe it of like some of the players on the chief, especially Travis Kelsey, saying free four. It's like, guys, didn't he run into a car with little kids and took off? Like, I was born at night, but not last night.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Like, we understand why he did that, right? drunk high, whatever, in a rental Lamborghini? What are we talking about? Some people over the years have had questionable suspensions. This is not one of those. And if there would have been any sort of law enforcement on the scene, this suspension could have been way longer. So by fleeing the scene, it's safe to say the guy avoided a disaster.
Starting point is 00:33:20 But let's, let's, you know, be lucky no one was, no kid died or something. Like, what are we free for? That one was like, come on, let's use some common sense here, guys. But I would say by proxy Andy Reid, the best thing that's ever happened to your organization was Andy Reid. Because without Andy Reid, there's no Patrick Mahomes. And without Veech, there's probably no Patrick Mahomes. So I just think, listen, not everything's perfect all the time.
Starting point is 00:33:54 he gets credit for bringing spags and having an awesome defense. Guys are going to be okay. Guys have had a pretty good life. You know, Sabin didn't win the national championship every year. You could argue best case scenario, would you rather be 10 and 7 and just get bounced in the first round or be like 7 and 10 and restock a little bit in the draft? Chargers look really good through two weeks.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And as a Raider fan, I give them all the credit. They look like a legit contender, although I know it's early. My problem is they only scored a field goal on the opening drive of the second half, and they were shut out and also had two turnovers within the last six or seven minutes. If Gino didn't play like a seventh grader and played, I don't know, half as good as he did last week, I can see the Raiders pulling out a win. What was the Chargers problem? Or was it a mix of the Raiders D is better than we anticipated?
Starting point is 00:34:44 Well, they're past rush. I mean, Max is a problem. The fumble Max cause, like, Max is one of the best players in the NFL. Max is a complete badass. So anytime you got that guy on your team who is going to play till the game is hit zero zero and he's told to go to the locker room, it's over. He can make something happen. Listen, the Chargers don't, like, they're a good team and their physical nature,
Starting point is 00:35:12 but they are going to win a lot of games ugly. They're going to play like the Chiefs have the last several years and are playing right now, except they're winning them. They're not going to win a lot of games 40 to 10. I think the concerning part for Gino, and I mentioned this last night, he doesn't play great against the better competition. But, like, that's why he's Gino Smith. This isn't Joe Burrell.
Starting point is 00:35:34 This isn't Lamar Jackson. You know what I mean? This is a guy who's a placeholder and can win you some games and just kind of keep you afloat as you move in the right direction. But the Chargers are way ahead of you guys in terms of they have way more talent on their roster. and Jim has a year under his belt coaching this squat. So I think as of recording this now, I haven't seen any breaking news on Khalil Mac.
Starting point is 00:35:59 If Khalil's out for the year, that's a huge blow that's not replaceable. If he's going to miss some time and come back, then they'll be able, they'll be okay. The Saints ruin my boys, Jamal Williams' career before going to the Saints, Williams broke Barry Sanders record for TDs with the Lions. I might sound biased due to that's my best friend,
Starting point is 00:36:20 but I don't see a lot of running back two better than him in the league right now. I would like to hear your thoughts. I'm trying to think of the best number two running backs. It's probably some Naji Harrison number two running back technically. He's pretty good. Yeah, Jamal Williams is a good number two running back. He's kind of banged up last year. Yeah, Jamal Williams is a good player.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Always liked him. Very physical back. I had good years in Detroit. They kind of replaced with Gibbs. Once they got Gibbs and Montgomery, they didn't really need them anymore. He's had a long career. He's been a league since 17. He's going to play 10-year NFL career playing running back.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Good player. You addressed the first half of this one already, so I'll shorten the question. My personal biggest gripe on the rules is what has become of the tackle position. There are certain tackles that look like they're lined up in the backfield and false start on every snap. I have heard a BS explanation that this is actually legal, but it seems like a big stretch when they are right next to a receiver who is, quote, off and move before the ball is snapped. I don't know. This seems very silly.
Starting point is 00:37:27 I tend to agree. I wonder if we did like a research project talking to different O'Line coaches. I do wonder if there are faster defensive linemen just throughout the entire league, right? There's always been a Reggie White, a Lawrence Taylor, you know, Terlsa. of Dwight Freeney. There have been sweet pass rushers throughout the league. Jared Allen. It feels like most teams.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Look at the last night. Like all four teams, the Texans have multiple. The Bucks had one. The Raiders have an all-pro. Before Mac got hurt, they got a pro bowler, potential Hall of Famer. So it was like every team has one. And I think the right tackle, I could be wrong, but it does feel like it's more often the right tackle, who's typically not as athletic or as explosive, though you would say that Joanne Taylor in theory is a good athlete,
Starting point is 00:38:28 and so is Lane Johnson. So I don't know. Maybe they're just trying to time guys that they know are just going to do speed rushes. I don't have a great explanation for it, but I'm with you throughout the history of football, and maybe because we pass way more, so they're less worried about like, yeah, we're going to pass, everyone knows it who even cares, so I'm just going to get back pedal as fast as I can as an offensive lineman. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Doesn't seem like it's slowing down. Doesn't bother me as much. Even though I'm with you, it is stupid. And there should be penalties for it, but people are, it's legal. How long does Daniel Jones have to play like this before he gets Brian Dayball fired? It's a great question. I thought a couple weeks ago, I think this question was brought up. Maybe it was after week one.
Starting point is 00:39:24 I thought, like, I don't know if there's much correlation. I know he used to play in the Giants, but he got cut in the middle of the season. He's been on another team since. And then he went to another team, right? He got picked up by Minnesota. Now he's on the Colts. But if he has a season where it's like, he's not going to be a pro bowler? Because there are other guys like Herbert, Lamar, and Josh.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Like, I'd put my money on those three guys being the AFC pro bowlers. But like, if he has a pro bowl, level season and the Giants win five games, it won't help. Like, no one was surprised in, or you shouldn't have been, when Sequin, who was healthy, went to the team with the best offensive line and a run first mentality had an incredible year. Right. No one disputed when they let Sequin go.
Starting point is 00:40:11 He'd been banged up at times, but no one argued like his talent, his speed, his vision, his ability to run between the tackles and just bust long runs. Obviously, it went better than anyone could have thought, but most people would have been like, Daniel Jones isn't going to be any good. This isn't going to work. What if he throws 38 touchdowns, and they win 12 games, and they win the division. They have a lot of good players. I heard Alvar Breer say this.
Starting point is 00:40:43 You got to give him some credit because he's making some of their random guys, that, you know, I don't think are viewed as higher-end skill guys look really good. We think Pittman's good, but the other wide receivers, every time you look up, they're making place. Jonathan Taylor looks invigorated. Pretty wild how Baker Mayfield once was playing defensive linemen for the Panthers during practice,
Starting point is 00:41:08 a backup for the Rams, and now he's one of the best in the league. What a story, dude is legit. I think it's a great, example. And I'm a huge believer as the cream always rises. But all of our paths are not the same. Our roads to where we're trying to get. Some people, we have these people in our life that have immediate early success do very well financially at a young age. Maybe you personally meet someone fall in love, have babies. Like, God, they just got the world by the balls. And other people
Starting point is 00:41:41 kind of bounce around. And then you look 20 years later, it's like, God, that guy really figured it out. It took them a little while, but it all happened. And let's face it, a lot of stuff in our lives are out of our control, right? We control some of it, but there is stuff that is 100% out of our control. And Baker was drafted by the Cleveland Browns. Now, he didn't help his situation there, but think of like Hugh Jackson, Freddie Kitchens, John Dorsey, like they had a pretty crazy situation, O'Dell Beckham Jr. Now, clearly humility. you know, came with failure, which is a, something that's very important, I think,
Starting point is 00:42:23 when you're young and you're really cocky and arrogant, like life will humble you, football will humble you, just business will humble you, and he got humbled, hard. And I do think he was able to reset. No one ever questioned his arm, right? He's always had a big arm.
Starting point is 00:42:38 One thing that's clear, he got married, he had a kid, and he looks dramatically skinnier, slimmer. He's much more explosive as a mover. No one's going to compare him to like Kyler, but his legs are a threat. I mean, literally just you could argue the game was won on that fourth and ten where he juke the guy and ran for 15 plus yards. Kept the game alive. Continued him right down the field for the game winning touchdown. A defense that's probably one of the faster in the league. So I've loved Baker since he was at Oklahoma.
Starting point is 00:43:09 He's one of my favorite college players of last. couple decades. I don't know if I would have saw this coming a couple years ago. And listen, Jason Light, probably be the first to tell you. When we gave him $4 million, we were hoping. I liked him coming out. But a couple years later, I never believed that we'd have like one of the MVP candidates. Try to give that out, 25 to 1. It's cool to watch. It's fun to watch guys. We mature late. Most of us are not Andrew Luck at 22 years old. most of us are slapies. Most of us are idiots.
Starting point is 00:43:44 So I just think that he follows the path of a lot of young men that it takes a couple years, it takes some bumps in the road to kind of mature. And if you do have the talent, once you figure it out, watch out. And he figured it out in the right place. And it's fun to watch. I enjoy watching Tampa Bay. A lot of questions on, do you think the Chief's office is sustainable
Starting point is 00:44:07 with Mahomes having to be Superman every game? Worthy and Rice will be rusty when they come back, And with time, it'll take them to get up to speed. Shouldn't Veet's look to get Mahomes instant help at running back? Camara might be available for late pick. Well, if you can get them for a late pick, it's 100%. I do the Chiefs have to be pretty careful if this is not going to be their year to value the draft picks because they're going to need to restock the cupboard with some talent.
Starting point is 00:44:36 They're going to need a tight end. Travis is not going to be on the team next year. I doubt he's going to keep playing, but like, they're going to have to move on. This is honestly kind of a sentimental year for him, right? And they took care of him. He kind of got the NBA treatment, and he deserved it. They had won a bunch of Super Bowls. He's one of the most important people in the history of the franchise.
Starting point is 00:44:59 But like, this thing's coming to an end. And they're going to have to transition for Patty that is worthy, Rishi Rice. I mean, those guys are going to have to prove they're dependable. They're going to need a running back. It looks like they found their left tackle. One thing that's kind of glaring right now is McDuffie. Looks like he's kind of come back to Earth a little bit. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?
Starting point is 00:45:29 We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to our first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey, Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking, I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title
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Starting point is 00:48:51 been awful in pass pro and a total non-factor as a receiving bag. Last night the Raiders handed to Zemir White on 3rd and 1 and got stuffed. Why the hell is Gentie not getting that carry? Zemir is simply terrible and still getting a fair amount of run. That feels concerning. I know it's way too early to panic and he has looked explosive on a few carries, but hard not to be extremely disappointed with what we have seen so far. What's your take? I don't think their offensive line is great. So, this guy's not Barry Sanders.
Starting point is 00:49:27 So he can't just make something out of nothing. And part of his game early on, it's like he's not Mr. Jukia. He kind of wants to run you over. Well, if you're Adrian Peterson and six foot two and 218 pounds and run a four three, okay, I'll truck your ass. But is Ascenti going to make a career in the NFL running guys over?
Starting point is 00:49:51 To me, his game has to be like, I don't know, Frank Gore, different body type, like Jonathan Taylor, like Shifty, make guys miss, get on guys' edges. And it feels like he's trying to go forward as a powerback, like he's Cam Scataboo, which he did a lot in college, broke a bunch of tackles. But it's a lot different break in Washington State and Oregon State and New Mexico's tackles than it is Jesse Minter and the Chargers defense. right in the Denver Bronco defense and the Kansas City Chiefs defense
Starting point is 00:50:23 it's going to be much more difficult so I'm with you you can't panic yet he does have like some natural instincts as a runner but clearly it's just off to a little bit of a rocky start
Starting point is 00:50:37 and I do think in general in the draft one reason I think in the NFL you see a lot of guys that are like third fourth fifth rounders become pro bowlers. Because they, early on in their career,
Starting point is 00:50:54 get to fly under the radar a little bit. Anything they do positively gets propped up. It's like, holy shit. Look at this third rounder making plays. Did you see that pass rush by the dude we drafted in the fourth? But when you're the seventh overall pick,
Starting point is 00:51:12 it's like, God, this guy can't get off a block. Why is this guy so slow? Look at Quentin Johnson. He's like three games in. to his careers. I can't catch a cold. Sucks. What an awful pick. But the dude drafted in like the six rounds like, God, do you see that route he just ran? He just got open on on sauce gardener. It's like, are we sure we don't have the next steal of the draft? That conversation is real because it's not just us on podcast or fans. It's like the media people asking, these guys listen
Starting point is 00:51:45 and watch and read stuff. So that pressure, when you're the sixth overall pick, is immense. Like, it is intense. It's like, hey, are you going to be like the other top 10 picks in the last decade? The guys I just listed, Sequin, Bejohn, McAfree. These are the type guys we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Like, are you going to be that good? It's like, well, maybe not, which is a problem. Because if you're just a solid running back, I can find solid running backs all over the draft. And I think that pressure, this guy's not coming from Alabama. This guy's not coming from Oregon or Penn State where it was like national championship bus. He played a Boise State.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Where in a lot of games, I'm sure a lot of people listening to this, like you watch some highlights, but you weren't watching Boise State play games. You play at Georgia and you're a multi-year starter like your team thought you were going to win every game. Now, whether a guy lives up to it once they get to the league, you know, Naji Harris should he have been a first round pick or not? I think it's fair to say he probably should have gone
Starting point is 00:52:51 the second day of the draft. But when Najee Harris got to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the lights came on week one or at training camp, the dude had just played for Nick Sabin for four years. He had walked out as the Alabama starting running back with a bunch of other pros
Starting point is 00:53:06 expected to win every game. So the pressure, he was used to it. Not saying there's not pressure of Boise State, but it just ain't the same. My question would be, what do you see the Eagles potentially adding to this roster throughout the season? Zadarius Smith was interesting, but in my opinion, they need to find another corner. Would love to hear your thoughts on how he might have cooking.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I think the reason they signed him is because obviously they had, you know, they had pass rushers. Huff didn't do anything for him, but he's just gone. Sweat, who's been a key guy for them, is on the Cardinals. they lost edge guys, and they just were hoping that some of these guys they've drafted over the last couple of years emerge, and obviously Jalen and Jordan Davis dominate. But you can find the older, like Zadaria Smith exists every single year.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Finding a corner, you could find the equivalent of Zadaria Smith at corner, but most of the time that guy's not good. And every once in a while, a team that's in free fall can you trade for one of their corners? Here's what I know about the Eagles. they are in championship or bust mode. Their only goal this year is to win the division, have the number one seed and win the NFC and be in the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Like I don't think they have any other, like there are no other agendas when it comes to this team. So to me, Howie, who is by far the most aggressive in the league, will do anything humanly possible for anyone available. And if their number one need, like offensively, they don't have any needs. I know their passing game hasn't worked through two games, but they have two sweet wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:54:48 They have a good tight end. Sequoan can't really catch, but they have the weapons in terms of the past game. Defensively, past rushers, there's a reason that they offered the Cowboys two ones and a third round pick and probably Mike $190 million. Because they know how important that position is, right? You know, if there presents itself a superstar corner,
Starting point is 00:55:15 but I don't know if that guy really exists. Now, would Howie have no problem trading for a good corner, like a fourth round pick? Yeah, I mean, I think they are going to be in the mix for any good player that would start for them. And honestly, if the guy would start for them, I'd be stunned if the Eagles don't trade for him. All I've heard recently is how foolish the Browns were
Starting point is 00:55:35 for letting Baker Mayfield go. Yet just the other day, after only two games in the second season, the media is really crucifying Caleb Williams. It may be the right play, as you and Colin both claimed, along with many others as well. What's the right approach?
Starting point is 00:55:52 How much time should a young quarterback get to prove himself? If Ben Johnson can't turn him around, is there any hope? Ryan Poles might be one of the worst GMs in NFL history. Four years in, he's not drafted a Pro Bowl, a dismal 15 and 38 record, and it's tough to find a GM this ineffective who's been given so much time plus an extension.
Starting point is 00:56:13 It feels like the Bears' efforts are useless at this point. Four years into a rebuild for another rebuild, I think it's very, very difficult. The Bears are going to be bad, right? Best case scenario for Caleb is obviously got to be better on defense, but they just find a way to win some games. Because if you look up in the team's four and four, even if they're three and four, it's like, okay, right?
Starting point is 00:56:39 It's not as negative. But if you look up and they're two, and seven, it is really, really difficult for things to not point at the key figures. You go, okay, fire Ryan Poles. You're not going to fire Ben Johnson. It's like, what's up with the quarterback? Fire the defensive coordinator. We're not breaking down their wide receiver rotations when you're really bad.
Starting point is 00:57:05 So it's impossible to know what should be done until we see them play a couple more games. because if they start losing, every single person is going to be available on this team. A lot of guys, like, is DJ Morgan to be on this team in a couple months? I would not feel confident about that. If they lose this week to the Cowboys,
Starting point is 00:57:28 it's just going to be hard. Like, if Caleb starts playing well and they keep losing, then that's another conversation. But I have a hard time. Like, if they lose to the Cowboys, how would he play well and they lose? The Cowboys defense is atrocious. So you would think that they played well,
Starting point is 00:57:48 they should be able to score 30-ish points and win the game, especially at home. I think it's very difficult. You have to be prepared when you break up with a girl or she breaks up with you that in a year, in two years, in five years, your life or her life, someone's going to win that transaction.
Starting point is 00:58:13 right if you're dating someone beautiful you're like you know what she's gorgeous by all accounts this should be unreal I just don't really like her I don't want to date her anymore you have to be prepared if she's a babe
Starting point is 00:58:27 for someone that has more money than you and a cooler life than you that in like a year or two she's posted on Instagram you know at the four seasons in Hawaii flying there in a private jet like living life and then all of a sudden she's pregnant
Starting point is 00:58:42 and it's like God I I'm single, my lifestyle, and then all of a sudden you get depressed. You can't live like that. So the Browns, they made their decision. It was not working with Baker. So just because someone else goes on to find a better situation does not mean that it would have worked there with you. And I do think the negative cloud and the dark cloud of the bears in this Caleb situation, if it were to get a lot worse, if he went on somewhere else and had some success,
Starting point is 00:59:09 it doesn't mean that he would have had success in Chicago. So I think I'm sure, like you hired the offensive coach who just actually gave him some credit. He's like, I actually thought he played okay. I saw Ted Nguyen, who writes for the athletic, who's a big film guy, say that he only found like four or five times where Caleb really played off script. The problem was one of those was an interception that led to seven points and kind of the floodgates opened after that. But Colin said one more game. I disagree with that. Like he's getting months this month.
Starting point is 00:59:43 next month. But it is like, this is a very urgent sport. And like these teams and these coaches, like it's hard for them to think about 2008 when you're living in the moment and it's not going well. The other thing is these are human beings. Right? So if I don't get along and I don't know,
Starting point is 01:00:07 I have no knowledge, never met Ben Johnson. But like, however their relationship is, he knows what a good quarterback offensive coordinator relationship is, right, play caller relationship is. He just had one with golf. Now, every person's different,
Starting point is 01:00:23 so you're not going to interact with me the same as you'd interact with someone else as your dad, as your brother, as your cousin, as your other buddy. Like, we're all different, personalities, different wiring, the way we communicate changes. But
Starting point is 01:00:40 if you don't see, eye to eye with the person, schematically, skill set wise, just communication wise, it's hard to work. So it's just to me something to keep an eye. I don't have the answer. I wouldn't just say that it's over, but it's definitely something worth monitoring. It's got off to a weird start. The NFL said they were looking for data to remove the tush push, but didn't have any data to back it up. So I think the out will be they can't officiate the play. there is just one big pile and they have no idea where the ball is.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Also, side note, Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the NFC. Go, pack, go. I would say that Jordan Love's having a really good season. Best quarterback in the NFC. Through a couple games, I mean, it's definitely not. Could be Russell Wilson after that performance. Dax played pretty well. It's not Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Purdy's hurt. Kyler, no, Sam Darnold's, a little rocky. NFC's a little more wide open. Gough, kind of got his swag back at home. Speaking of the Lions, mailbag. The Jameson Williams experience as a Lions fan has been quite the ride. The night before the season opener for Detroit, he received an extension.
Starting point is 01:02:04 To me, he earned it. Not only did he mature as a person, but he's become more of a complete wide receiver who has the ability to score any time he touches the football. I believe Brad Holmes made the right decision to extend him early rather than wait, his number would be much higher if he matched his numbers from last year. Do you think Brad Holmes made a smart decision in locking him up?
Starting point is 01:02:31 Clearly, I saw an interview with Dan Campbell this offseason, and I didn't put that much into it, but where he was speaking about how much Jameson Williams has really grown on him, I think Randallel L early on in his career was probably the right type coach. And I bet if we went around the league, a lot of former wide receivers are wide receiver coaches. That can be a pretty probably electric room of personalities all over the map. But, you know, last year he had 58 catches and seven touchdowns. They gave him a picked up his fifth-year option, gave him a three-year contract extension.
Starting point is 01:03:13 I think that they've done a really good job when they were kind of bad and they were building this thing of just nailing some picks. And the one thing Jameson does is having St. Brown, it's basically like a Jekyll and a Hyde. It's like a yin and a yang, right? You have this guy that runs all these quick routes over the middle of the field, quick out routes,
Starting point is 01:03:34 breaking tackles, like does the dirty work. And then this other guy that's like having a truck and a Ferrari. Right. If you want to drive on the ranch, you're not going to take the Porsche or the Ferrari, right? And if you want to drive downtown or to a nice dinner, you're going to go to the steakhouse, take your wife or your girlfriend, you know, you probably take the sports car. And, you know, if you can afford it, you get both of them, right? So it's, I think that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:04:02 They kind of balance each other out for their offense. Goff has a good connection with them, just hit them on a play. and I think any time that you can get that guy on your roster that's not just a speed guy but like a good player that can keep the defense honest and then they have they don't just have St. Brown I mean they have Leporta too who's excellent I mean the Tesla guy
Starting point is 01:04:22 the offensive line is still a question mark we'll see how they come together as they play better teams I mean this week they play the Ravens but skill wise they have elite talent so yeah I'd give them it's kind of very Philadelphia Eagles-ish Hey it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what We have some big news.
Starting point is 01:04:46 What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
Starting point is 01:04:59 But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?
Starting point is 01:05:20 Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title.
Starting point is 01:05:32 Oh, no. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 01:05:46 Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves,
Starting point is 01:06:32 their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast,
Starting point is 01:07:14 I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now,
Starting point is 01:07:34 and I actually can win on any surface, because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court-side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. For the mailbag. Not an Eagles fan, so I'm not biased. But as a competitor, a youth coach, and purely a fan of the game, I can't get behind banning any play in competition sport.
Starting point is 01:08:10 In a competition sport. I watch countless teams try to do some form in college or the NFL, and nobody can execute the same play. Yes, it has to do with the players, but I promise you the Eagles just do it better than everyone else. From the coaching to the execution on the field, the technique, and all the hours spent scheming, I notice differences in the way each team runs this play versus how the Eagles run it, which is why they fail. I would bet money the Eagles can run this play better with a backup quarterback than any of the other 31 teams with their starting quarterback. Yes, Jalen Hertz is special, but it's scheming technique execution and hours of game planning.
Starting point is 01:08:57 I hope they win the Super Bowl and with this play just to piss everyone off, L.O.L. I think at this point in time, you don't practice this play. There's no way at this point they practice this play at all live against. their own team. Where I would tend to agree with you on the backup quarterback is their offensive line, their leverage, how low they get, they feel more consistently like a defensive line in a goal line situation. Now, you could argue they're cheating because they're jumping before the ball is even
Starting point is 01:09:35 snapped, but then most teams. Now, the backup quarterback thing, I do think the power of Jalen, I mean, some of these are getting closer because these teams are selling out, I think factor in. If you put Tanner McKee, there was the play, one of the tush pushes, it felt like they ran it 10 times against the Chiefs. Chris Jones leaped over him and grabbed him, but he's in the air, and Jalen is so powerful, kind of took him for a yard ride, which I forget it was a touchdown or a first down. To me, if that's Tanner McKee, Chris might be powerful enough for he's not taking Chris Jones for a ride. So I do believe that the power of James,
Starting point is 01:10:13 in his legs factor in to the just to the execution of the play. But at this point in time, like, are they game planning anything? I, they deserve credit for doing that whatever they originally created it. But like all the guys, like Lana Dickerson,
Starting point is 01:10:33 Jordan Milata, Elaine Johnson, these guy, Jurgensen, Goddard, Sequin, like these guys have been run the play long enough. They, there's no, they just know what to do. Okay, a couple more questions. Another great show. I like positive reinforcement.
Starting point is 01:10:53 Great segment on Baker today, who I wasn't a fan of originally, but I've come to respect and cheer for especially that the episode he went undercover with the fans. It got me thinking this weekend, Baker and Darnold, both on the fourth team, are better than any quarterback on the three teams that let them walk. My question for the mailbag is, We put down bus quarterback a lot, but what about bus GMs? I mean, Carolina had both of them on their team at one point. Well, everyone in Carolina got fired.
Starting point is 01:11:26 The GM fired. The coach fired. So I think Carolina blew out everyone there. I do think for both guys, I think Sam would be the first to tell you that year where he got out of Carolina, to the 49ers, just got to be the backup, changed the course of his career. For Baker, I think he was a better player than Sam. He is a better player than Sam. He just needed to go to a place that was a little quieter, kind of had a little renegade
Starting point is 01:11:59 rebel to it, and good talent around him, and he got to flourish. Like, let's face it, Tampa's kind of like Oklahoma. When he was kicking ass in Oklahoma, guess what? He had Mark Andrews, he had Hollywood Brown, he had C.D. Lamb. pretty sure he had P. Ryan and Joe Mixon. He had Orlando Brown. Like, Google some of the guys, Baker Mayfield played at Oklahoma. They were fucking good.
Starting point is 01:12:20 They were stacked. They were loaded. That's why they were really good. I mean, they were top 5, 10 team his entire career there. And he goes to Tampa. It's kind of got an Oklahoma vibe. You know, here's the thing as a GM. Do you get credit for drafting Sam Donald, third overall?
Starting point is 01:12:38 Because once you draft, like, you don't coach him. I think sometimes when a guy's a bust, it's more on the coaching staff than the GM. Though I think the GM has a lot of control over the type guys that are in that locker room. So it's probably a combination of everyone. But not everyone just flourishes from day one. Some guys take some time. Some guys are major works in progress. Some guys need some time.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Look at Tom Brady. It was the sixth round pick. It wasn't until his third Super Bowl where people were like, yeah, he's pretty good quarterback. I got a lot of questions about Baker. We'll end on this. In your opinion,
Starting point is 01:13:21 had the Brown stuck with Baker, do you think they'd be Super Bowl contenders? They seem to have every piece but a quarterback, and how amazing is it that Baker was playing on the scout team defense? That picture, I saw Jason Light on Twitter, reposted it, of Baker Bayfield lining up what looks like
Starting point is 01:13:40 is a nose tackle on the, the scout team. It's a pretty embarrassing look for Carolina. Now granted, this is not the Canalists or Dan Morgan, like other people running the show rule, but it's just it's a rough, it's a rough visual.
Starting point is 01:13:59 I'm going to stick with my thought on this. I do not think they would because I just don't think, I don't think he'd be on the team. I mean, I think he, sometimes people are meant to break up it just sometimes not everything's meant to work
Starting point is 01:14:15 things can flourish for a minute and then things end not every place is just like this inevitable no matter what like Peyton Manning and the Colts like it was just going to work and Peyton was going to drag that organization to not just relevancy but a Super Bowl it was inevitable even at times where it's like I don't know if you can beat the Patriots like looking back Peyton Manning they were going to win a Super Bowl and hell he probably should have won two but I think the Baker situation
Starting point is 01:14:43 for him personally, the organization, I don't think it would have worked. It didn't work. So I don't think we'd get this guy. You have to wonder if the belief when Sean McVeigh signed him on a Tuesday and he started on a Thursday and he won that game,
Starting point is 01:15:00 just breathed a little life into the guy. I don't care who you are. You lose confidence. You get in a bad mental spot as a young person. You can put on a facade and this tough guy exterior. Inside, we all question ourselves.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Are we good enough? Do we got it? Is this going to work out? You can be scared. It's much easier, it's much easier for me at 40 to battle through insecurities or battle through a bad day.
Starting point is 01:15:33 I've seen a lot in the last 20 years. It's a lot more difficult at 25 when I was having a shitty day. I had way less experience. being a grownup. Just like at 60 years old, I'm going to have way more experience in life with children than I do right now. So the Baker Mayfield that you see now conduct himself and carry himself around Tampa, like he's seen a lot of shit. You can be like, well, Johnny had to walk on at Texas Tech. Yeah, then he went to Oklahoma and became a starter and kicked everyone's ass. And all he did
Starting point is 01:16:02 was have success. And then he came in a draft with Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson went number one overall. I do think the humble pie changed the course of his life. And off the field, and I see it with myself, like getting married, having a child, like that tends to have a positive impact on people. And it clearly did on him. And then obviously is losing weight as well. He looks slimmer. And he just looks good. I mean, he looks like he did at Oklahoma. He's a baller. He's also the type player. You know, Mahomes has this too. They're just kind of gamers. They just got like, This is the analytic guys hate this, but like, what do you mean by it? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:16:40 I can't really quantify it. But whatever that is, Baker's got some of that shit deep in his veins. And you see it when you watch him play. And it's come back out in Tampa because he had it at Oklahoma. Then it disappeared for a couple years in Cleveland. Well, it's back now. Because you see it when you watch it. I mentioned this the other night.
Starting point is 01:17:00 He has the Farvian quality. That's Mahomes. You know, Curry, who was compared to Mahomes. Like, there's just something. Some it factor that these guys have That they're just They got like we're playing at recess to them Except they're playing the Houston Texans
Starting point is 01:17:16 Who have one of the best defenses on the road And He's one of my favorite players in the league And I'm glad that he resurrected his career The Volume Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers, I'm Joe I'm Kevin
Starting point is 01:17:34 And I'm Nick and guess what We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas We invented a podcast Well we didn't invent it We just contributed to it out. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
Starting point is 01:18:11 This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.
Starting point is 01:18:40 I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Winning on clay is an art.
Starting point is 01:19:07 The rallies are relentless. and at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's an outsider to win the French fame. And she likes Clay.
Starting point is 01:19:26 Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

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