The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Massive Mailbag, Lane Kiffin fallout, Do the Brown have a good roster

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

John answers all of your questions from the latest with the Lane Kiffin saga, what will happen in Minnesota after this disaster season, despite the Browns not being able to win games, do they actually have a decent roster, all that and more.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's exciting about the bears in the paths is they feel like they can be good for years to come. They both have great young coaches, a high-end coordinator who likely will not be a head coach, and a young court. What do you think the difference makers between teams who have a good season or two and teams who can sustain high level of play? Well, it gets down to two things. Quarterback play and coaching. And, you know, I think you're seeing this with the Lions. I get a lot of DMs.

I get a lot of people conversate, have, you know, been. Johnson is just a fascinating individual, is anytime the head coach is a guy like a Harbaugh brother, John Harbaugh, I guess they are brothers, John and Jim, Dan Campbell, Mike Tomlin, they can be pretty quarterback to Penn. Pete Carroll, right? And, you know, these guys all have philosophical beliefs, right?

Jim Harbaugh, running the ball, running between the tackles and something he's always going to do. Pete Carroll, defense is his baby, and even offensively, he has specific things. that he wants to do. It's why Chip Kelly clearly been leaking things to push back on everyone shitting on him, about that he forced him to run Shane Waldron's offense, which was probably some validity to it, right? And I

think some of these older CEO type coaches have big picture beliefs on how they want to run it. But like 60 times a game on offense or defense, Mike McDonald, Matt LaFleur, Kevin O'Connell, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVey, Sean Peyton, Andy Reed. Like, they're touching the field with their

play call. They are impacting the offensive or defensive plays. And that matters. So to me, like, the thing that you just said, you know, Ben Johnson, his superpower is his play calling. Clearly leadership and organization, he's good at that, but he's an elite play caller. So you will never lose that. So even Caleb Williams, like, if he can never figure out this accuracy issue, and it's not going to derail the franchise. You know, Mike Vrable has this offensive coordinator. You know, the defense is Mike's baby, you know, but the offense, when you have a good young quarterback, like if Mike Vrable had an offensive coordinator, like Josh McDaniels 10 years ago, and people are like, people are going to hire Josh McDaniels, you go, this could be a problem, right?

When he had Arthur Smith in Tennessee, it went pretty well. Then he lost him and it wasn't quite the same. So like, Josh McDaniels never getting hired again in the NFL. I guess you'd ever know with college. As of recording it, they currently don't have a Penn State coach. And once upon a time, Penn State hired a Patriot coach named Bill O'Brien. So I think keeping coaching continuity, look at the Chiefs. They've had, you know, during the Patrick Mahomes run, Andy Reed, Steve Spagnola of Patrick Mahomes. Really, their core group, Chris Jones, and Travis Kelsey. So you need a core group of guys. Forever, it was Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Brian Flores, the majority of the

2010s with Edelman, with Gronk, with McCordy, with High Tower. So you kind of have a David Andrews, kind of have a core group of guys. And that message never graduates out of the program. And so I think continuity at the top matters, right? Because owners never really change. But if your coach and the play callers don't change, your quarterback doesn't change, and your core two or three star players don't change, like you're kind of cooking with gas, really kind of matters. I mean, the 49ers could have unraveled this season, but they got Kyle. And so when they went to the backup quarterback, like he could make Mac Jones look pretty good.

And while they lost some core guys, they still had George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey. Right? So you've got to have core high-end players. That really, really matters. My question is regarding Michael Pennix, but not just him in general. Why do teams draft players with long injury histories? I can understand a broken bone or other injuries that aren't likely to repeat. But both ACLs and other ligaments,

seems like it's a ticking time bomb that can be seen from miles away. I would say this. As a GM or a coach, you can't predict things with bodies. You can give educated opinions on experiences. But when your team doctor that's at, you know, if you're an L.A. team, UCLA med, the Niners, Stanford Med, Philadelphia Penn Med, I mean, the team doctor or the people interacting with your health and wellness side of the operation

are the best in the business in the cities you live in. So when they tell you, I don't think this is going to be a problem, are you supposed to dispute them? It's why most GMs during the draft process or coaches during the season will go, listen, I'm not a doctor. I'm just kind of going off what they tell me. Because most of these, the coaches, they make their living with a whistle around their neck.

Right. So you kind of have to go off the information that the doctor is telling you if they go, he's never going to tear his ACL again. Or this. I mean, he wouldn't say that. But if he goes, he's no more likely to tear his ACL than the other guy who's never torn his ACL. Are you supposed to just despise? viewed him. Now, I'm sure that happens sometimes, and sometimes it's on the flip side. And I think

this is what drives coaches and GMs nuts is they will have players that their medical team, that the lead investigator in whatever the doctor is that goes through the checks, either during the physical time, during free agency, or during the draft process, and goes, I can't recommend drafting this guy. I don't think he'll ever make it to a second contract. Or like this, his shoulder, or his knee is a ticking time bomb. You hear that a lot. And then all of a sudden you look up and he's made five Pro Bowls and $150 million. And you go, we didn't have him on a draft board. So I think it's a lot of back and forth.

But it's hard to, you're just taking educated guesses. And obviously, the more information you have, if a guy's missed as many seasons as him, you could have taken an educated guess. Is his body going to make it? So I think him specifically panics. It's fair to argue, like, should he have been off draft boards? And I'm sure he was. He was not on every draft board, right?

So it's personal preference, it's teams, medical teams. You know, Danny Connell, his dad used to be the doctor for the Miami Dolphins. And when Sabin was the coach, told him that Drew Breeze's shoulder would not last. And he went to the Saints. And then Sabin a year later goes to the Alabama Crimson. the rest is history for both guys. You know? So I, what's Saving's supposed to do? Like, no, I think his shoulder's going to be fine.

It's kind of a tough predicament you find yourself in as a football guy with the doctor crew when they're telling you one thing and you're like, I better hope you're right. And then all of a sudden he gets signed by a divisional opponent. And then he's kicking your ass. You're like, what the hell? There's been a lot of arguments in that world over the years. That's for damn sure. And it's never really going to end.

because the football people can't go off anything more and like, are you sure? Are we sure? Hey, John, at the start of the season, do you think Miles Garrett would rather have the sack record or the Browns reach the playoffs? Well, in his career, just thinking off top of my head, I don't think he's gone to the playoffs many times, right? The one year with Baker in 20 and then the one year, a couple years ago with Flacco, when they got killed by the Texans.

so he hasn't had much postseason success. My guess is what he would say is I'd like to have a good season, that's my team to be good. Would I just rather have the sack record and my team suck every week? I think he would probably go, well, I would just choose make the playoffs and I'm pretty confident I get 15 to 20 sacks. Again, I don't know the guy. Now, if he ends up with 30 sacks, let's just say he ends up with 30 sacks.

I think most people at the beginning of the year would sign up for 30 sacks. And I think he'd also say, if I have 30 sacks, I bet we're pretty good. Turns out, no, no, you're not. For the bag. When LSU fired Brian Kelly to aggressively target Lane Kiffin, why wouldn't Lane tell LSU when they approached him that he wanted to focus on his contractual agreement with Ole Miss for the time being and resume negotiations in six to eight weeks?

What would LSU have done? Snipe Summerall, it's clear they wanted Lane, and I bet he could have got the best of both worlds. Or do you think Lane was nervous of maybe getting upset in the playoffs and hurting his chances of getting big money or even the LSU job as a whole? Penn State is waiting until the end of the season to make their hire. Did LSU just want to ruin Ole Miss's season since theirs was pathetic? loved the pod. Maybe Lane generally thought Ole Miss would roll over and give him everything he wanted.

Honestly, it's believable since Lane can be delusional. I do think Lane, looking back on him making the East 60, was trying to change the narrative this summer because he had planned to go somewhere else this fall if a big time opportunity opened up. And I think based on last year, no jobs opened up. he had a pretty good idea. There were some guys on the hot seat, especially Florida, right?

Jimmy Sexton represents Billy Napier. He knew he was in a lot of trouble. So there were going to be some job opening. So he was trying to change the narrative. I'm a much better guy. I'm not this scumbag, toxic person that you all thought I was years ago. So he started actively doing that. Probably didn't imagine his team was going to be in the playoffs.

And honestly, he definitely didn't imagine LSU was going to come open, whatever it did, a month into the season. When did Kelly get fired in the middle of October? So that changed the equation. But I would imagine there was a point in time where he thought they will let me coach and then I can leave. And that became clear to him that that was not going to be an option. There were probably conversations that, Lane, you're kind of lucky. We think you're going because you're not signing our contract.

We shouldn't even let you coach the egg ball. like you're already set the moment he sent his family on the quote unquote fact-finding mission now listen old miss is not Alabama Georgia LSU Ohio state right so when I say that those programs never would allow it I think people would push back well oh miss should be lucky they're even in this position and there's probably some truth to that but that's not how you feel once you're in that position you know if you're married and you start having getting worried that she's kind of sleeping around and then you get some evidence that she's definitely sleeping around. Like, you got a couple choices.

You either draw a line in the sand and end it, or you kind of tuck your tail between your legs and just try to figure it out. And I think Ole Miss tried to figure it out, and they had to look in the mirror and kind of like, we feel awful about ourselves. We're getting played here. We're getting used. And this is not, like LSU stealing our coach.

They hate us. They're a rival of ours. And it's weird. We're business partners with them in the SEC, but we don't, act like that, right, in terms of stuff like this, because even the NFL doesn't allow anything even close to this. So it's a complicated situation, right, with the timelines, the rules, which there aren't any, you can just steal coaches. I don't think it's as black and white as

everyone has taken stances on. There's clearly a lot of gray area. I do believe, though, that Lane was pretty delusional about ever thinking that he could, because if LSU didn't hire a coach. Let's say for the next two weeks, they just haven't hired a coach. It'd be pretty clear. If everyone else hired coaches, the Lane's going there. And you're going to let him continue to coach. You could even make the argument, the story

just broke a little earlier today, that they're going to let Charlie Weiss Jr., who's going to be Lane's offensive coordinator in LSU, continue to coach all mess through the playoffs. I bet if I was having a beer with their AD, he'd be like, listen, we're kind of desperate here.

Because we need, we need, need one of those two guys to call the plays. And obviously, Lane's not going to be doing that. So is this the ideal situation? Of course not. But we kind of need him. And it happens other places where assistants get to stay. So it's not as crazy.

But in a perfect world, we would not do this. But he is, you know, I think Lane would call some plays during the season. Again, I've consumed a lot of Lane Kiffin content. I think Charlie Weiss Jr. was the primary play caller. Lane would chime in, like he's a part of it, and like give ideas and even like override occasionally. But like Charlie Weiss Jr. is the play caller. I just think Ole Miss really wants to win one playoff game. They have a home playoff game.

You know, the rankings are coming out here in an hour where I'm recording this. Either the 19th or the 20th, they're going to have a home playoff game. They want to win that playoff game. If they win that home playoff game, their season is an undeniable all-time great success. If they lose that game, it would really, really suck. You lost your coach. You lost the game. Especially if it was ugly, you know, depending on the matchup.

I mean, there are some matchups depending on where they got ranked that could be pretty hard, right? A Miami, a Notre Dame. I guess Oregon probably would have a home game as well. But it could get a little weird. And I think they're just desperate to try to win that game. You know, you never want to negotiate or make a decision out of debt. desperation. Sometimes we don't have a choice, right? I've been there, you've been there, where it's like, I don't want to be doing this, but I have to say yes, I have to do this.

And it feels like there's a part of Ole Miss doing that with Charlie Weiss where they just couldn't allow Wayne. I also think the SEC is, it's like the NFL meets Bravo real housewives. That's kind of what it is. And it's why it's so entertaining. You know, their motto from Greg Sanky is it just means more. It's true. It does just mean more. But if the NFL allowed this, it would happen as well. It 100% would happen. If you allowed teams to poach coaches, you don't think like Jeffrey Lurie a couple years ago

would have offered Sean McVeigh like $30 million a year? You don't think that this would happen in some programs where coaches were stolen left and right, especially coordinators? It would happen all the time. It would be an arms race on steroids. The difference is, These are big cities.

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You whistle as you walk Whoo-hoo Listen to Crime List on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Question for you. I think the quarterback reclamation projects in the last few years, Baker, Gino, Sam Donald, Daniel Jones are all overrated. They all walked into above-average systems with competent coaches and above-average weapons and played pretty well. None of them have won or will win more than one playoff game in a season. It takes real strength to go from joke to a plus starter,

but do you see any of them playing in a conference championship game? It's a good question. I think the reclamation project was leading a team to the playoffs. If you go from Baker Mayfield, traded for, then benched in Carolina, cut, then go to the Rams, then go to Tampa on a $4 million one-year deal, and have a competition in training camp.

Go on to be the starting quarterback, get extended, take your team to the playoffs every year. That's like a grand slam. It's not like a walk-off grand slam in the World Series, but that's like a playoff grand slam. That's pretty incredible. What Sam Donald has done this last year and a half, we just don't see very often.

Of course they happen in good situations. How often do you see, like, go around the greatest quarterbacks ever and go, pretty bad situations. Last time I checked Joe Montana had Bill Walsh. Tom had Belichick, and he inherited a great defense when he was young. Peyton Manning had Tony Dungey and Bill Pollan. Last time I checked, both guys were in the Hall of Fame. Now, I think I would take Peyton over those two, but my point is, like, those two know what they're doing.

Tony Dungey was winning a lot of games in Tampa. You know, John Elway, I don't exactly know the situation in Denver in the 80s, but by the time he won big, like it was like going on in Denver with Mike Shanhan. Pretty good situation. Brett Farf traded Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf traded for him. There aren't many all-time great quarterbacks who went to, you know, this team sucks, just figured it out. That's not usually the way it works.

So they go hand in hand. Like, Gino Smith has no chance on a bad team. Patrick Holmes wouldn't look that great on the Raiders. And we all agree Patrick Mahomes is way better. in Gino Smith. No one's playing well on the Raiders. But if you put Gino Smith this year on the Colts, he'd probably look fine. Honestly, might even be better than Daniel Jones. So I agree with you, but I also think you can't resurrect your career in a situation that's awful. It's not possible. And it doesn't really, it just doesn't happen. I was watching the show with Colin the other day

and he mentioned Mack to Minnesota, which is a 49er fan is kind of, a scary given the injury history. But what about Mac for Jefferson? I know there would need to be more picks, logistics, but I mean Minnesota has got to know by now you can't win with Jefferson without a quarterback and the Niners would trade picks anyway. I kind of like where you're thinking,

and this is a little maddeny. One, Minnesota fans, obviously they're desperate for a quarterback. They would never allow you to trade Justin Jefferson in a Mac Jones type package. I also think Kyle Shanahan learned a value the lesson. It's really very, very hard to follow

all the information with the Brandon Ayuk saga. I'm honestly Brandon Ayuked out. I don't really care beside the facts that we have that the 49ers clearly can't wait to get rid of them. And by all accounts, you give up $25 million, he clearly can't wait to leave. I was adamant about the situation that it never made sense to invest in a guy who was catching 75 balls a year and the cost of

wide receivers and he's like a second tier guy was $75 million guaranteed. Well, Justin Jefferson is the elite of the elite. The 49ers don't play like that. Like to me, the 49ers would be much more inclined. Like, you know who they would love is like Trey McBride for the Arizona Cardinals? They're not going to use, they're not going to have a Randy Moss, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase catching 120 balls a year. I just have a hard time ever seeing that happen.

in this offense with Brock Purdy. That's not really the way. I bet if we look back at Kyle Shanahan's years, what's the most productive wide receiver he's ever had? Andre Johnson was really good in 2000, probably, 8, 9, 10, 11 range. I'm looking at Julio's big year. They're big year when the Atlanta Falcons went to the Super Bowl,

2016. He had 83 catchings. in 1,500 yards. The previous year, they weren't as good. He had 136 catches in 1,800 yards. And I'm pretty sure the Atlanta Falcons, they were not a playoff team. To me, Kyle Shanahan's whole offense

is much more predicated, running the ball, and really tight-in throwing the ball to running backs and the wide receivers. You know, I don't want to say, like, play. They're much more Robin than they are Batman. So I just think Justin Jefferson, if I'm going to do a crazy trade, I'm more inclined to go get a Max Crosby to go get some good tackle than I am to trade for Justin Jefferson. Now, if I'm the Patriots or some of these other teams, I'm much more interested.

But the 49ers, the way they operate, to me, doesn't make as much sense. Appreciate the question. The question is asked before the season happened, because I wholeheartedly agree, that Miles Garrett has passed TJ this year. But why is everyone thought he is mounds above better before the season? Because aside from this year, T.J. was a lead in every stat aside from quarterback pressures. And has always said is sacks don't matter as much as people think. That's why T.J. to most has never been considered as good.

But now sacks are the reason he's the best ever. I think we're, I'm not going to argue over two players. Listen, T.J. in his prime was an elite dominant player. The force fumbles, the creating the turnovers, there was a momentum aspect with him. He was like the defense's version of Steph Curry. There would be him coming around, him creating a fumble, and then it would just flip. Vaughn Miller had this level to him. I think the arguments more is like, Miles is just a more talented player.

I think Miles is one of the most talented players ever to be in the NFL, just physical gifts-wise. now just pure sacks like if he ends the season with 27 sacks is he like the greatest defensive player of all time like no I think Belichick would tell you it's Lawrence Taylor he's still better and I agree but I think the sad part about a guy like him and the Browns have had a couple now with Joe Thomas

is what would he look like on like the Ravens or on the Rams or the Chiefs or the Eagles just a team every single year in the mix the Packers and we'll never know because he got stuck with the Browns. Can you list your top five quarterbacks that you would start your franchise with? Assuming all healthy.

Love the pot. Well, I think you have to factor in age. You know, Mahomes is now 30 years old. So I'm going back to the world of like, in your late 30s you're going to start slipping. You're no longer playing. Like the 45 thing, you see it with Rogers at 42. I'm not counting on anyone playing into their 40s ever again.

If you are able to do that, at any position, especially a quarterback, that's bonus. Most guys, 37, 38, 39 start falling off a cliff. You know, what Stafford's doing at his age right now is pretty incredible. And even he's, like, kind of threatened with retirement. You know, the Rams kind of play it year by year because they're trying to mitigate their wrists. They don't want to get into a position where they gave him like a three-year, $150 million deal,

and then going into year two, he's falling off a cliff because of age and wear and tear. So like Josh Allen, I think is a little younger than Patrick. But I think when you factor in all these guys' ages, especially the way he plays, Josh is 29. I bet Lamar is probably 27. And Lamar this year's, I mean, kind of taking a pounding. Lamar is 28 and he'll be 29. So, I mean, how many more years does Lamar and Josh physically just completely dominant? because to me they are much more likely to show signs of slowdown in their early to mid-30s

than just like kicking ass all through their 30s. And Patrick will be 31 here next year. So like I would bet on young guys. Now again, I'm a little bit more of a renegade risk taker when it comes to investing. So I got no problem taking some swings. Open doors been pretty good to your boy here. And most people would have said I'm high on crack cocaine to invest the amount of money I did a couple years ago. And that thing was heavily in the red. Don't get me wrong. It's not like

it's always been profitable. But when that thing started ripping, it started ripping. So to me, I'm going young. And I mean, listen, like right now, Drake May, you talk about a guy that is, how old is Drake May? 23 years old? Is he even that? He's just turned 23. He'd be pretty up there. Jaden Daniels, I would have bet the farm on him last year. It's always a little risky with younger players. Because, you know, like, part of what makes Josh, Lamar and Patrick, like, why I have such high respect for those guys, they've been doing it such a high level for a long time. Like, part of being a great player is, like, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, like, every single year you knew what you were getting. Some for two decades, some for 15 years, some for 12, 13 years.

It's a long time. A lot of guys, these guys are all pros, right? And especially a lot of these quarterbacks, we just talked about same. Sam to Arnold, Gino. A lot of people have had a good couple-year run. Can you do it for a decade? Like, Google Travis Kelsey stats. He's been catching a lot of balls for a long time.

That's hard to do. And so it'd be pretty risky. But I would probably be inclined to take a swing at some of the young guys. The safe thing would be like, just give me Josh Allen for the next three or four years. And if I win a couple championships, if I build my team right, then it's all worth it. But I'd like to sustain success. I mean, if I'm a Patriot fan, I'm pretty high on my own supply right now. I'm feeling pretty good.

I love the show. What do you think about the NFL implementing a mercy rule? Mostly to prevent unnecessary injuries in a game that's basically over. Like the game is over as soon as the team is up 30 in the second half. Teams would keep their foot on the gas to end the game rather than coast for 30 minutes and a ton of injuries would be prevented. I hear what you're saying, but here's the problem. the NFL's business is predicated on television.

And these networks, CBS, ABC Monday night, which was 30 to 7 at halftime, Fox, Amazon Prime have spent a lot of money on this inventory. And I mean a lot of money. And in a couple of years, it's going to cost a lot more. Well, the only way to make your money back is to utilize that entire, at the end of the day, like whether the game's good or bad, you kind of know, if a game kicks off at 10 in the morning, for us Pacific Standard Time, you know the game's going to end, give or take at 1 o'clock.

So that network knows, I have three hours, and I have a pretty good idea when the breaks are, the TV timeouts, the quarters, the halftime, to implement my, sell my advertising, which everyone wants to be associated with football, to make my money back and turn a profit. So listen, we're all very invested and emotional about the sport and the game. That's why I got into the business originally. But this is all a business. And the way it's all paid for is that would never in a million years be allowed, ever. Because I, listen, sometimes when I'm doing these live shows,

I'm like, especially Thursday or Monday night football, I'll be on the three-and-out text chain with the boys. And I'll be like, God, I wish this thing could end to halftime. But like I'm just saying that, knowing that that's never going to happen. Ever. Hey John, after tonight's ass kicking, I feel pretty good about the paths, ability to wrap up the division, and contend for the number one seed. Going forward, they should try and trade for Brock Bowers. May gets his gronk, and we don't need to worry about the offense.

Spend the rest of that draft improving the defense. What are your thoughts? I think Raiders fans would just, if they lost Crosby and Brock Bowers in an offseason, I wouldn't blame any Raider fan if you just quit. I do think Max Crosby will be traded this offseason. But I think here's the thing for Brock Bowers. He is in his second year, so next year, he will need a contract extension after next year. And he's been a little banged up this year.

I mean, if I'm the Raiders, I'm not giving you it. Like, I can't trade. I did it with Khalil Mack. I can't do it with this guy. So even for me to entertain it, if I was willing, the price would be outrageous. Like three ones. It's like, well, you couldn't trade three ones for Brock Bowers.

Right? I mean, part of what made the paths so good for so long. Even, do you know why the chiefs extended their run? You got to make trades the other way. It's on you to hit on draft picks, right? Because that's how you build a team for sustaining success. They're much cheaper, right? It's pretty rare.

Like, here's the thing with Bowers. Now, you could argue that tight ends are a lot cheaper and they are, but doesn't that kind of play into the Raiders? Why don't we just keep the guy then? So my take would be, obviously we're not going to just find a Brock Bowers every year. But look at what you've done from a skill position standpoint this year in player acquisition.

Trayvion Henderson. I mean, over the last month, every other carry you see, you're like, damn, this guy looks sweet. Kyle Williams, the wide receiver from Washington State, had a nice catch last night. I mean, he can fly. You know, even the Diggs acquisition in the off season.

I feel pretty good if I'm them. Like, let's just keep investing. Let's keep. Why can't we use our first round pick this year on a skill guy, on an impact skill guy? Because the trade for Brock Bowers, if they were even willing to entertain it, I mean, to me, I wouldn't give them away for more than like,

for less than 2-1s, 2-2s, and 2-3. I mean, it'd be outrageous. When a coach gets fired mid-season, like Dayball or Brian Kelly. Do you think they still tune in to each game that their former team plays in? That's a great question. I've never been a coach fired in the middle of the season

so I can't speak to that. I have been fired though. And I do think your natural inclination when you're invested into something and I would imagine this goes for relationships too, you pay attention. Right? There is, doesn't mean,

I don't, you know, you're watching every snap. But like, think about when you're invested into something, especially in a position like that, you probably follow the things on social media. People are telling you a lot about them. You would still have people that care and like you in those buildings talking to you about things that are messed up. So I think you're still kind of invested. I mean, Brian Kelly's kid plays for LSU.

And I'm sure many of you saw that viral video of his son. saying free my boy BK I was thinking if I ever called my dad BK or I ever called my dad my boy I probably would have got backhanded I'm like what is wrong with this kid it's a very uncomfortable thing to watch and I get it was

you know his dad couldn't be there for senior night now I think this guy was like the last player in the roster but free my boy BK like everything I've seen of Brian Kelly that's not how he communicates I mean I'm fascinated by that relationship Brian Kelly's kid and Brian Kelly's kid and Brian Kelly. That thing's got to be a weird one. I bet Dayball paid attention.

Because you're also, how they're doing reflects you, right? Like, when I got fired from radio, I wanted my time slot to go belly up. Turned out it did, but I was rooting against it heavily. And you just, you'd hate listen sometimes in the car. Definitely when I got fired from the Eagles, I just knew a lot of people with the organization. So I kind of just felt like I kept talking to people. it didn't really change. So I think you naturally stalk a little bit, right? She dumps you. You're going to see who she's dating on Instagram.

We're human beings. Like, I don't care. Insulate the noise. Don't let the outside distractions. All that shit sounds great. We're all kind of wired the same. On the topic of Lane, what are your thoughts on him going after the young podcaster

who accurately described him as a hoe? Never mind that he immediately proved the guy right by leaving Ole Miss and flames less than 24 hours later. Shouldn't someone in his position be able to take the shot? Neither guy looked great. Not that it's really your M.O.

But how would you handle if someone you shit on in a podcast were to step to you at a football game? When you talked for a living, and I've said this forever when people get mad at me, you know, I've had a couple occasions

where guys in the NFL get mad at me. I say, you know, the difference between me and you, like everything I say is public, right? My opinions are all how I make my living. Yet you have all similar opinions on different stuff, but you never say any of them publicly. So we're both have similar takes on certain things, yet everyone knows mine. So you're talking shit left and right about half the people you work with and work around and play against, but you never say that publicly. And then when you leak stuff to the press, you say anonymous GM. There's nothing anonymous about anything I've said for a decade now.

So it's like, I get it. It comes with the territory. You're going to piss some people off. But like, part of, like, I've always thought the media can be a bunch of softies. You know, they give it very well. They don't take it very well. Part of giving it, like, if a guy wants to give it back to you, in that position for that kid, and I actually saw that he's like 40 years old. It's crazy in the South. Sometimes a guy can look 38. or, I mean, look 22 and he's 38 because they had that haircut. But what was he going to do? He just kind of stood there. Sometimes you can let the guy yell at you.

It's part of the deal. Like what, who cares? What's laying going to do? Hit him in the face? The guy was right. He uses an analogy that is correct. You know, and I think he even said that Lane called him later that night and apologized and then sent him a meme of a ho hat.

I think part of it, I wonder if Lane was trying to show everybody that he was like going to stand up for himself like i think actually that had less to do with that guy's ho as a housewife comment than it did about lanes and security about the whole situation and ultimately i don't think lane cares at all i truly don't if you're laying right now think how many enemies and people you would need to do that to over the last like four four days like you you wouldn't even be able to keep up with it and once you start he makes 12 million Who cares what any of these people say? But like, yeah, if you are going to quote unquote talk some shit, you got to take it.

And what guy gets mad at you? Like, okay, it's life. It's not that big deal. I truly believe this. Lane doesn't care that much at all about that comment. I mean, truly. Because like you said, the guy was proven right. I don't even argue this.

Most coaches, like, they're nomadic by nature. They're not exactly the settled down. type. I don't think we will see many Nick Sabins and Dablo Sweeney's anymore. Kirby might be the last of his kind because he went to Georgia. It's the best program. He could probably stay there for 25 years. Is Kirby Smart more likely to be coaching there in 10 years? So he would have been there 20 years or be coaching somewhere else. I also think the elephant in the room now in the profession, you know, 10, 20, 30 years ago, the money has changed so dramatically. It is such a grind to do that job. If you can continue doing that, especially in

college and have $100 million in the bank, you are an all-time football addict. Are we going to see some of these guys just get burnt out in their mid-50s because they're like, I've been making $15 million for the last five years. I was already a millionaire before I signed that contract. I just need a year off. I think we're going to see some of that more and more with the amount of money that's getting thrown around. You know, Lane's still trying to prove himself, right? I don't think Lane's, you could argue, I heard Reese Davis and Pete Dammell and Dan Wetzel talking about this, like Google Lane's biggest wins of his life. It's like Georgia last year in a season that was nine and three, so it actually didn't mean that much. He knocked Oregon out of the playoffs

in like 2011. He won at Oklahoma this year, which pretty good win, though, Matier has not been good good since he hurt his hand. It's like he doesn't have that many, you know, Kirby Smart's won a couple championships. So if in like three years, Kirby's like, I'm burnt out, I just need a break. And I even think Georgia would be like, oh, take the year off. You can come back when you're ready. That's the other thing about college football is like Georgia 100% would tell Kirby like, take you year off. We'll just have a replacement for an interim for a year and then you can come back. Can't make a whole housewife. Most of these coaches, they're always, they get bored. I mean, Bill Parcell's coached like seven different

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Listen to crime lists on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Love the show. Question for the mailbag. Colin on the show Sunday said he likes the head coach and the GM and the roster for the Cleveland Browns. Question, what is there to like? They lose every week. They aren't competitive most games. Why does Sopansky and Barry get so much credit for never having done anything?

They drafted a tiny quarterback in round three. I'm sorry, you don't get the benefit of the doubt for that decision. Yeah, man, I... I'm with you. They do have good players, right? There's no, this draft class looks good. They do have some interesting players on the roster. To me, the franchise is a complete joke.

It is just always the same shit over and over and over again. The drafting of the two quarterbacks is pretty embarrassing. Let's be real. Drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third round is one of the crazier draft picks in recent members. It really is. Like the Kenny Pickett's and Mack Jones, guys going in the top 20, that historically would have been third round picks. Like that was insane.

Now, granted, that was in the peak of quarterback inflation. Like, if you have to admit how much you paid for, you know, a car or house a couple years ago, it's like, hey, man, peak inflation. It's like, yeah, man, it costs of doing business. Right? But this year, Dillon Gabriel, the third round, and then back it up with Chador a couple rounds. It makes no sense. It's like there's no rhyme or reason to anything they do.

It's like, well, we got Mason Graham and Quintan Junkins. It's like, yeah, I like those players. But you don't have any quarterback. You have this guy that's going to go for 25 sacks on a four-win team. I think the whole thing is one of the most overrated operations in the league. You know, my stance for a long time is they get a little bit of a pass because they're just two highly educated guys from Ivy League schools, and the media kind of sees versions of themselves and highly educated people.

So they go, these are us. It's like, yeah, that is you. That's what you guys would look like if you were coaching and running a team. Four wins every year. Great. These other meatheads are winning 12. Hey, John, I'm going to need to talk to your guys in San Francisco and investigate what Joanne Jennings is saying the guys when they're on the ground.

My wife, who follows like a million 49er pages asked me the other day. She's like, what is he saying? I'm like, I don't know. What could you possibly say to piss people off that much? I mean, it's the nature of the sport, crazy. I hate the word inappropriate. Something's inappropriate to you. That's not inappropriate to me.

But things that make people uncomfortable are set all the time in locker rooms, let alone on the field. So for Joanne, like, Shelby Harris, when you just watch Shelby Harris's rant, you're like, I kind of, like, I kind of felt Shelby Harris. But it's like, I need some, can you give me the evidence? Like, I need to hear some of the words. Like, what is he saying? Is he doing investigative research before the game so he knows what to bring up? I saw John Lynch today on local radio in the Bay Area compare Juan Jennings to their Draymond Green.

So he's clearly pisses the people off. I don't know. I don't know. You'd probably have to ask like McCaffrey. More of a comment than a question that I'd love your thoughts on as we wake up this morning. The top two seeds in the AFC in the top seat in the NFC, all have quarterbacks from last year's draft. is more of their ability in your two or three

to have an elite coaching now and put in the right position. If goes to show you how quickly a franchise can turn around with the right coach, it does give you a lot more flexibility financially. So having Caleb Williams making $6,7 million, gives you a lot more wiggle room than these other guys making $50 and $60 million.

There is no disputing that. Having Bo Nix contract allows them to be much more aggressive and partly because they have a bunch of dead money from previous bad contracts. And obviously, Drake May this year, they spent a bunch of money. I think as much as, obviously, you know, Rabel and Ben Johnson have been awesome. But when you have Drake May or Caleb Williams' contract,

you can trade for a star left guard. You can, you know, pay for a center. You can just do stuff that gives you more wiggle room. I saw today the Steelers cut Darius Slay. Like, they don't have that much wiggle room. So when you give Darius Slay one year $10 million, and his cap hit is $10 million and you give him a $9 million signing bonus

like that's a pretty big contract like you can do a lot for $9 million you can get a starter maybe two out there on the open market so when you do that and then by Thanksgiving he's a healthy scratch and by December he's cut that's an awful allocation of resources where when you have the wiggle room

with the quarterback contract you can miss on a player or two because you just have more room to deal with with the cap. So I think the cap manipulation with the quarterback contract is a massive variable that comes into play for the Bears and the Patriots, who are very aggressive this offseason. Is McDermott underrated? That'd be Sean McDermott.

He dominated the Steelers with the run game and defense. Yes, the Steelers aren't good, but he seems to dominate almost every AFC opponent, except, you know, one of the greatest football dynasties of all time. and he beats them a lot in the regular season. I was thinking this the other day. Like, he wins a lot of games and gets, you know, Coward does this, puts him right there with Tomlin. Like, the bills were in the AFC championship game last year.

They beat the Ravens. They just happened to lose the Chiefs. They lost the Chiefs two years ago. Like, it's the only team they can't beat the playoffs. They're beating all the other teams. This year, I'm rooting for the bills. I hope they go on a little bit of a run. But, like, he's won a lot of playoff games.

he's last three or four years. He just can't beat Kansas City. I think he's lost to him what, four or five years. And the other year to the Bengals. Who did house him? That was an embarrassing loss. But like he's lost to the Chiefs. Like comparing, you know, to Tomlin, who hasn't won a playoff game in a decade, I do think Sean takes a lot of crap. I actually think the GM has let him down.

Now, Sean has a big hand in personnel, but their personnel operation has been a little hit or miss. if they were better on personnel, I think they would they would have made a Super Bowl by now. But their personnel department has just has let him down, which he's probably playing a big role.

A lot of my fellow 49er fans seem convinced that Sala's gone as a new head coach and he deserves it. But I remind them, Spags, who in my opinion without him definitely doesn't beat the 49ers in the Super Bowl, has been amazing and has no second head coaching job yet.

So why does one seem to be on the radar and the other isn't? I mean, I think a huge element is age. I think if Steve Spagnola was 52 instead of my guess is he's 64. Steve Spagnoll is 65. Listen, you're not supposed to legally discriminate for age, but he's getting discriminated for age. He's not getting higher to 65. But Robert Saul is 46 years old. So, I mean, there's a 20-year-age gap.

I was thinking if Mike Tomlin finally does break up with the Steelers, I saw Albert Breyer say today, he's not going to get fired. Even if he's on another team next year, they will not fire him. So let's say he's traded to the Giants. I do think Robert Salo would kind of feel

a little Pittsburgh Steelers. Because you go, well, who are the Pittsburgh Steelers going to hire? Well, who have them been their last two coaches of my life? I can't speak to Chuck Knoll a little before my time. Bill Cowher. defensive guy. That jaw, I think former linebacker in the NFL, he's a defensive guy. Mike Tomlin, defensive guy.

I can't picture them hiring like Liam Cohen. That's not really their style. Now, you could argue, maybe you should. That's not what they're going to do. They're going to hire a defensive guy. Robert Salah kind of looks like, if you didn't know Robert Salo was a middle of the road, you know, like a non-power-4 college football player, you'd be like, I bet they'd play for the Steelers.

Like Mike Vrable, when you say, yeah, Mike Vrable played for the Steelers. It's believable. Look at him. Even though now he kind of looks like a first baseman that would have played for the Yankees in like 1983. But Robert Sala looks like he's a former NFL player and specifically played, like, played for Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

Right? So to me, Robert Sala would make a lot of sense for Pittsburgh. And he would accept that job yesterday. So there is no. guarantee that he's going to get hired. I think depending on the options, like if I'm Robert Sala, would I take the Arizona Cardinals job?

I would not. I wouldn't touch that job with a 10-foot pole. But would some of these other, I mean, I just took the Jets job and, okay, I got richer, but it sucked. So I do think he's going to want a more stable operation. I think if you're Sala, you'd be all over the Giants.

Are the Giants hiring Robert Sala? I don't think they can. Embarrassed Falcons fan It's clear we need to clean house With Tomlin and Harbaugh Clearly needing some resets Should they go for one of them

Or do they go in the route of Mike McCarthy But no first round pick next year And Pennix hurt I think it's going to be hard I really do I mean I couldn't even begin Assuming that everyone gets fired What they do

I mean their last two coaches have been Rahim had coached there before So that one made some sense though they almost hired Belichick. Maybe the owner's mad that he didn't hire Belichick and now hires Belichick, which would still be a little shocking. You know, I had someone

kind of make the plea to me about Mike McCarthy that look at Mike McCarthy. Look at he's been replaced twice and the team got better both times when he left. And this year specifically, like, Jerry nailed that one. Like, yeah, Mike, I'm not going to extend you. I thought Jerry was kind of crazy.

Like, I'd just give him a couple of your extension. He's not paying this guy anymore. I'm going to go with Brian Schottenheimer. Brian Schottenheimer wins on Thursday. Jerry's going to look like a genius. I'm a Colts fan, and if they don't end up making the playoffs, is Ballard on the hot seat.

He traded two first rounders for Soss Gardner, and now he's hurt. Daniel Jones is hurt, and the offense doesn't look the same. I would say Ballard, if they completely unravel, everything would be on the table. And that would be a disaster.

disaster. That would be a little like an NBA trade. Where a guy was on the hot seat, things were going well, quadrupled down for Saz Gardner, which I thought was pretty insane. And if they were to just start losing a bunch of games, who do they play this week? The Jags, I think. It's up to the daughters now. I don't know what their relationship is with them. I'm sure they'd probably like him. But I would say that he would be in some trouble, yes.

Is that a great job, though? You have no first round picks for the next couple years. You would probably start to rebuild and start selling guys off. Watching this train wreck of a Vikings team and Jefferson looks dead inside, do you think it's realistic that Quessie or KOC are gone after this offseason? I would see no chance that Kevin O'Connell is gone. He would, the Steelers would hire an offensive coach then. The Giants would hire him yesterday.

He would, teens would be lined up to hire Kevin O'Connell. The GM, listen, you guys diehards and you guys have a great fan base. I haven't done a deep dive on his drafts. I know people are not high on them. Obviously, for all the picks that have missed, the JJ situation is pretty devastating. But in fairness to him, like, blood's just on his hands for that pick. You're not taking J.J. McCarthy if Kevin O'Connell's not fully on board as well. So listen, it's hard.

You make mistakes. Some mistakes have bigger consequences than others. All of our decisions have consequences. Some good, some bad, right? The outcome of what we do, when we do it, a lot of times we don't know. And on big decisions, like a draft pick, drafting a quarterback in the first round, you're doing that because you have high hopes that this thing is going to work. But they didn't just keep their fingers crossed.

I was like, we hope they were pretty confident. But it's a draft. You never know. If I would have told you that how many games they played last year? 17 and now they're 12. So that's 27. So 29 of Bo Nix is 29 games. His team has won 20 of them.

No one would have believed that two years ago. Now, obviously the defense has played a large role in a lot of that action. But still, if J.J. McCarthy was the Broncos quarterback, They would not have won 20 and 29 games. Well, end on that one. I appreciate everyone, and we will be back again tomorrow. Keep firing in those DMs at John Middilkoff. And have a great day.

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